General Debate 12 January 2013

January 12th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Bill (94 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter says that David Shearer is another Roger Douglas.

    “Were Shearer to openly declare his intention of becoming a “hands on” neoliberal policy aggressor, eager to deploy all the powers of the state to bulldoze new pathways for advancing market power, the Labour Party membership would rise up in angry revolt. Small wonder, then, that Shearer stumbles and mumbles: all of his mental energy is devoted to masking rather than revealing his true “

    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/behind-mask-whos-backing-david-shearer.html?m=1

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  2. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    (Customary pointless and devoid of humour/intelligence first comment of the day follows:)

    “Wow!! First today!! Yippee!!”

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  3. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Ah!! Not quite, I see.

    (Deflation of stout party)

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  4. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Does this mean Shearer will be personally collecting party donations as old Rodg used to do?

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  5. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    joana – or as Winston does, and then denies having asked for them.

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  6. iMP (2,364 comments) says:

    So, the French have gone in to Mali. HOORAY! Is this the end of UN impotence? It will steel British resolve about the Falklands.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/when-france-attacks/

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  7. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Evil bastards: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8165258/Neglect-accused-parents-in-court

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  8. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    The 2011 England and Wales census had a controversial question on religion that was publicised and campaigned on. The end result, influenced by the publicity or not, showed a ten year change of those saying they are Christian from 72% to 59%.

    It is thought likely that this year’s New Zealand census may show the Christian number dropping below 50%.

    Does this matter? Keeping score may be of interest but it isn’t a win or lose competition. Research has shown there are degrees of being Christian and being Atheist (and whatever else people think they are).

    We are lucky that in New Zealand a variety of beliefs and strength of beliefs can intermingle with few problems. We live side by side hardly knowing and caring what those around us may believe, because it’s our own personal business.

    Apart from some occasional blog blather New Zealand is blessed with a tolerance and freedom of choice of beliefs and non beliefs that is one of the strengths of our society.

    Christianity and Atheism

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  9. Andrei (2,568 comments) says:

    LOL Pete George you really are on of Lenin’s useful idiots aren’t you – have you ever had an original thought in your life?

    I don’t think so.

    Look at the last paragraphs of that OT piece

    Census responses could also reflect the revulsion that many people, and not only atheists, feel over reports of child abuse by paedophile priests, terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists, resistance to women as priests and/or bishops in Catholicism and in sections of the Anglican Communion, moral absolutism contending with secular tolerance, hostility towards homosexuals, an anti-scientific fundamentalism lurking in every faith, human interpretation promoted as divine truth.

    Our age is marked by a growing suspicion and distrust of institutions – but religions need their institutions in order to survive and serve. Their slowness to adapt adequately to the new reality of western secular culture means they struggle to communicate with society at large.

    The British census shows where that is taking them.

    Can you you recognize the underlying assumptions of the writer?

    Funnily enough the growing suspicion and distrust of institutions does not extend to the GOVERNMENT and our rulers who in the minds of secular morons are the fount of all wisdom and benevolence. THEY ARE NOT!!!!

    And do you know where that is taking them – to hell in a hand basket

    And 21st century Britain is living proof of that

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  10. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    It matters PG because no longer is the hypocrisy of the church the basses of our moral compass.
    We now can not be forced into allowing the moral vacuum that is the church inflicting its views on us by law
    Only on blogs are we going to have christian anti freedom pushed at us. No longer do they have the majority that created such freedom robing laws as no right of a woman over her own body or no right to do what we want in our bedrooms.
    long may religion decline.
    Let humanity drop the shackles of the ignorant past and base the future on rational thought not supernatural mumbojumbo

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  11. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    The general tolerance in New Zealand obviously doesn’t apply to a few, like Andrei. A few try to maintain religious authoritarianism, but that’s more likely to repel Kiwis.

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  12. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    When will NZ’s wet liberal media bimbos and gay boys understand that in the US the CONSTITUTION prevents the government from disarming the citizenry and that the purpose of this is to enable that citizenry to fight back against tyrannical government.

    Its nothing to do with hunting or defence against common criminals. It is to do with opposing tyrannical government, and since the election of Barack Obama, this has never been a more real threat.

    Obama governs by Presidential decree, thereby bypassing the checks and balances of the Senate and the House. This is unconstitutional and therefore criminal.

    There is a process to alter the constitution- a two thirds majority vote in the house and the senate.

    The only legal way to introduce laws that challenge the current constitution is by using a two thirds majority vote in the house and senate to change the constitution.

    Obama’s refusal to follow process makes him a criminal who should be impeached if not tried for treason.

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  13. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    Great win by the Breakers last night against the Crocs, well worth sitting up to watch.

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  14. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    What percentage of the vote did you get in your electorate George you secular prog?

    Stop so arrogantly talking for “Kiwis”.

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  15. Andrei (2,568 comments) says:

    Let humanity drop the shackles of the ignorant past and base the future on rational thought not supernatural mumbojumbo

    That is hilarious in an age where secular mumbo jumbo rules – where, for example, eating a big mac and washing it down with coke is a sin and having a cigarette with a beer in a bar will lead punishment for the smoker and the proprieter of the establishment .

    And these cretins think the Church is authoritarian, the Church which teaches certain things are sinful but doesn’t apply sanctions upon those that do them, merely warns that you are personally responsible for your actions and that there are consequences for the choices you make.

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  16. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Obama governs by Presidential decree, thereby bypassing the checks and balances of the Senate and the House. This is unconstitutional and therefore criminal.

    Can you substantiate that claim? What has Obama done by Presidential decree that has bypassed the Senate and House?

    What has he done specifically that is unconstitutional?

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  17. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Griff, no church inflicts any views on us via law in New Zealand.

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  18. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    “That is hilarious in an age where secular mumbo jumbo rules”

    Grief is off his rocker. A far left embecile who buys into every idea the left have to advance their tyrannical agenda. Its not worth arguing with him for there will never be a result. Just write for the lurkers. Concerning oneself with the ramblings of trolls and drooling idiots is counter productive.

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  19. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    As is answering the questions of trolls like PG, too ignorant and lazy even to make an argument.

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  20. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    This guy has pissed me off this fine morning. Pol Sci degree, says it all.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10858618

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  21. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    This guy has pissed me off…

    Yup – just another moron who wants everything he can get from the long suffering taxpayer, but doesn’t like his obligation to pay back his student loan. He needs to HTFU and pay off his debt to the rest of us.

    And quelle surprise… another ‘article’ from the Weekend Hoorald that trots out the socialist mantra. Who’da thought?

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  22. Andrei (2,568 comments) says:

    WTF

    Mr Fraher said he contacted the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) when he first left NZ in 2000 with a student loan of about $70,000.

    $70,000???????

    My eldest two have gone to Australia with their New Zealand conferred degrees owing not a bean in student debt.

    Perhaps that is because they were raised in Christian ways that said you should not allow yourself to become indebted to others and instead of borrowing to fund their studies washed old peoples bottoms in rest homes to pay their way.

    But $70 grand for a ploy science degree, my that is excessive in anyones books

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  23. Zapper (1,019 comments) says:

    I was just posting about that BlueGriffon.

    From the article:

    When Matthew Fraher left for Australia in 2000, he says, he was required to pay back as much on his student loan as his entire income, within a year.

    And:

    The requirement for him was to pay 15 per cent of the principal and all of the interest in a year, he said – about $15,000, though Mr Fraher recalled the amount was $23,000.

    But then at the end:

    “When I go to Australia I’ll be paying back $3000 a year.

    “They’re actually making an incentive to leave the country.

    “If anyone thinks that’s sensibleor good policy, their head’s notright.”

    So which is it? $20,000 or $3000? I was paying back a loan back then, living in Australia, and while my loan was smaller than his, I certainly wasn’t required to pay back 15%.

    I’ll tell you whose head is notright (sic). SOmeone who takes out a student loan for $70,000 for degrees which enable him to supposedly earn either $15,000 or $20,000 a year, depending on what the correct figure was that he claims he had to pay back.

    I hope the IRD chase this idiot down.

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  24. Sofia (855 comments) says:

    Pete George – We live side by side hardly knowing and caring what those around us may believe, because it’s our own personal business.

    That may reflect a certain part of your answer.
    The move from “others’ to “self”
    No great religious contemplation or shift in belief as such, just the simple rise of self interest still spurred by the effect of Rogernomics on families

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  25. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Red, you made the accusation, you should be able to back it up with evidence. So far you have done your usual and wimped out with pitiful excuses.

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  26. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Redbaiter @ Whale Oil this morning:

    ….”When will NZ’s wet liberal media bimbos and gay boys understand that in the US the CONSTITUTION prevents the government from disarming the citizenry and that the purpose of this is to enable that citizenry to fight back against tyrannical government.

    Its nothing to do with hunting or defence against common criminals. It is to do with opposing tyrannical government, and since the election of Barack Obama, this has never been a more real threat.”….

    Redbaiter on this thread @ 9.55am

    …”When will NZ’s wet liberal media bimbos and gay boys understand that in the US the CONSTITUTION prevents the government from disarming the citizenry and that the purpose of this is to enable that citizenry to fight back against tyrannical government.

    Its nothing to do with hunting or defence against common criminals. It is to do with opposing tyrannical government, and since the election of Barack Obama, this has never been a more real threat.”…..

    More regurgitated crap. The silly old fool can’t even offer an original comment.

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  27. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Yes pg
    The anti abortion, anti gay, anti when you work or when you shop, anti prostitution, anti sex, anti freedom laws we have had had nothing to do with Jesus freaks Not inflicted on us via law in New Zealand by the pressure of the churches previous hold on morality

    “the church doesn’t apply sanctions upon those that do them” :lol: you can not even marry in the catlickers church if you have had a divorce. Try being an openly practicing gay catholic priest or even a woman priest ops not allowed by catlickers.

    catlickers club of hommokidfid priests
    hommokidfid priests dont get sanctioned just shuffled somewhere else to continue the filthy practices of the churches priests

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  28. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    “I was paying about $10,000 a year just doing the minimum amount for the last three and a half years”.

    Why would anyone moan about paying back a Student Loan when as a result of that loan, you now earn $120,000 a year (($10,000/10%) +$20,000).

    Cock

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  29. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    @Sofia: “The move from “others’ to “self””

    As it should be as far as beliefs are concerned, it is up to self decide beliefs and not others to dictate.

    It was particularly ironic for Andrei to say ” have you ever had an original thought in your life?” – where does he get his thoughts from? Self or others?

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  30. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Why would most of us care red
    so the yanks have stupid gun laws
    gives them the highest murder rate in the western world
    Darwin at work

    There is no justification to carry own or use military weapons like bushmasters and Barret 50s
    Outside of mass killing humans these weapons have no real use.
    as the American public has proven repeatedly that they can not be trusted it is time to place reasonable restraints on owning such man killing weapons
    That the RWNJ that inhabit the states are against this is no surprise
    Who would want to live in a country set up to suite RWNJs like you. It would be total freedom to do only what we tell you to do
    Fascist

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  31. Sofia (855 comments) says:

    Pete George – @Sofia: “The move from “others’ to “self””
    As it should be as far as beliefs are concerned, it is up to self decide beliefs and not others to dictate.

    Sorry, my comment “The move from ‘others’ to ‘self” was vague enough I think you have totally misunderstood me.

    You are talking about sources of religious experience.
    I am meaning motivations or concerns.

    And a simple change from a degree altruism and community concern, to self-interest and personal gain, or survival.
    Which probably happens with no religious reflection until some bugger turns up with a census form to be filled out.

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  32. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    I se that the feral Herald today are again salivating and dribbling over the overseas criminally convicted New(Zealand) wonder of the world Kim Dotcon Schultz.

    Is he German or Finnish as he has both passports – or is Finland another mug bolt hole – if he could ever get there without somebody grabbing him en route. Sadly he can never leave New Zealand so we will be stuck with his publicity antics.

    I believe that many of us would be delighted to see him get out of New Zealand – even if its secretly, which may be the only way.

    What gives for the Herald full pages extolling his brilliance and virtues, in that he conned a Government Department with his criminal record which they accepted had been wiped, as he was now a good fat German – folllowed by a confused of no great consequence judgement call betwen Police and GCSB – of no great shakes really but a great political distraction from the real pantomime.

    Don’t the Labour and Greenpeace love him. He will surely put on a fireworks display buying Lying Len again, and will launch another Rainbow Warrior for the Greens to salivate over.

    It is quite apparent that he will use all the publicity he can to continue to denigrate New Zealand, and the Government, to his perceived legal advantage. There is no way that any of our judges will allow extradition – they have proven to be more than wimps.

    I look forward to seeing him in handcuffs being put on a plane, anyware. However this will not happen as we will be lumped with him as a hero for a long time.

    But he has till to get his hands on his believed illgotten money, much of which is held offshore, principally HongKong. Soon he will have to go on some sort of legal aid in order to pay his bills. I do not think he is much of a security person to get a bank loan. How could you trust this ???man.

    As he can afford the best lawyers we have to offer, (if he can pay their bills – or get legal aid) along with years of expensive legal advantageous jiggery pokery, we will continue to listen to the media extolling his wonders.

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  33. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Can you substantiate that claim? What has Obama done by Presidential decree that has bypassed the Senate and House?

    What has he done specifically that is unconstitutional?

    Well, for a start there was the DREAM Immigration Act he signed, bypassing Congress, which would provide conditional permanent residency to the well-behaved children of parents who came to the U.S. illegally. (eg, more illegals to vote for Obama). People had been trying to put the bill through unsuccessfully for 10 years without success, so Obama just signed it through himself.

    Then there was his use of Executive Privilege to protect Eric Holder in the Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal.

    A Republican-run House committee voted today to cite Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt after President Obama asserted executive privilege over documents in the “Fast and Furious” operation.

    Holder’s Justice Department requested that Obama claim the privilege and withhold documents concerning the botched gun-smuggling operation and the death of a U.S. border agent.

    The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted along party lines to recommend that the full House cite Holder for contempt, after a full day of sniping between folks on Capitol Hill and in the White House.

    The “decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House officials were either involved in the Fast and Furious operation or the cover-up that followed,” said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. “The administration has always insisted that wasn’t the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?”

    Then there were his famous “recess appointments” which he really shouldn’t have done because Congress was not in recess at the time.

    He also bypassed Congress when he gave $1.5 Billion to Egypt (now practically run by the Muslim Brotherthood)

    Congress has restricted and, in fact, halted military aid to Egypt until and “unless the State Department certifies that Egypt is making progress on basic freedoms and human rights.”
    Nevertheless, the news breaking now is that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will soon announce that President Obama will “resume funding for Egypt’s military, despite Congressional restrictions and objections from human rights and democracy advocates.”

    There are many other examples too, including the bribes he used to get Obamacare passed.

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  34. Andrei (2,568 comments) says:

    As it should be as far as beliefs are concerned, it is up to self decide beliefs and not others to dictate.

    Pete George you live in an age where the Government and secular authority dictate what you should believe and are far far more intrusive into your life than the Church ever was or could be.

    For goodness sakes man look at the crap they feed us – like if you use incandescent light bulbs the fucking North Pole is gonna melt and in the good ol’ USA at least they have passed a law (authoritarian) to ban them based upon that very premise.

    The Church, you silly fellow, is not about passing laws to make people do things that suit the purposes of the passers of the laws, it is about raising people from the sewer where we all do swim but not all of us can detect the stench.

    There has always been tension between civil authorities and the Church, since year dot. Ever heard of Saint Thomas a Becket, for example?

    Are you aware, however dimly, of the Bishops, priests and lay folk martyred in the Soviet Union in their hundreds of thousands within living memory? They stood in the way of the almighty STATE as the sole arbiter of all that is good, right and proper (regardless of the truth of that proposition).

    You can parrot the talking points of the secular elite ’til the cows come home or until you wake up to the fact that you are following someone elses agenda and that that agenda is not benign

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  35. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Bypassing Congress, the Obama administration has issued a proposed administrative rule, which if adopted, would mandate the installation of “black boxes” in all automobiles and light trucks beginning in 2014.

    The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) proposed the regulation on Dec. 7, which it said “would capture valuable safety-related data in the seconds before and during a motor vehicle crash.”

    Or, to keep track of where everyone is, I guess.

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  36. thedavincimode (6,691 comments) says:

    … too ignorant and lazy even to make an argument.

    Meanwhile, in a parallel universe and just moments earlier:

    A far left embecile who buys into every idea the left have to advance their tyrannical agenda. Its not worth arguing with him for there will never be a result. Just write for the lurkers. Concerning oneself with the ramblings of trolls and drooling idiots is counter productive.

    Discuss.

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  37. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Another example from last year…

    President Barack Obama has signed a waiver to remove curbs on funding to the Palestinian Authority, declaring the aid to be “important to the security interests of the United States.”

    A $192 million aid package was frozen by the US Congress after the Palestinians moved to gain statehood at the United Nations last September.

    But in a memo sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, published by the White House, the president said it was appropriate to release funds to the authority, which administers the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    In signing the waiver, Obama instructed Clinton to inform Congress of the move, on the grounds that “waiving such prohibition is important to the national security interests of the United States.”

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  38. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    The Church, you silly fellow, is not about passing laws to make people do things that suit the purposes of the passers of the laws, it is about raising people from the sewer where we all do swim but not all of us can detect the stench.

    Let’s just stop this shit right here, shall we.

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm

    If you wish to believe in – and indeed worship – a cruel, barbaric, racist invisible magical pixie then that is your right. But please keep your desperate stupid lies to yourself.

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  39. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    Excellent piece from Chris trotter on Stuff about the Government’s mandate for asset sales. Amongst other things, he says:

    National’s claim to a specific mandate for its asset sales programme is, accordingly, very strong. The policy was announced nearly a year before the election and was subjected to the intense scrutiny of not only the parliamentary opposition, but also the news media and a broad cross-section of civil society.
    The 2011 election was no 1980s or 1990s exercise in duplicity and fraud. The public understood that a vote for National was a vote to privatise 49 per cent of Solid Energy, Meridian, Genesis and Mighty River Power. Nearly half voted for the Government anyway.
    If Prime Minister John Key’s Government doesn’t have a mandate to proceed with its privatisation policy, the word no longer has any political meaning.

    From a far-Leftie like Trotter, this is a quite astonishing admission. At least he’s being honest about the reality of the situation, unlike Labour and the Greens who are still behaving like sore losers…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2013/01/now-about-that-mandate.html

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  40. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    Fletch shows PG up as an ignorant troll.

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  41. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    The highly politicised NASA is finally admitting the fact that the Sun has a significant impact on climate:

    “There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate…Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. ”

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/

    “Dawning realisation” is NASA’s dishonest way of conceding what sceptics have been pointing out for the last 20 years. And this in the same week that the British Met Office abandoned global warming in its official predictions.

    BEIJING — The coldest winter in decades is causing blizzards in northern China and threatens electric power supplies in the south where the government is not used to dealing with such freezing temperatures, China media said Wednesday
    About 180,000 cattle have died in the north while hundreds of emergency shelters have opened in southern China to help people who do not have adequate housing or heat to survive the below-average cold.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/09/china-cold/1820089/

    More than 100 people have died of exposure as northern India deals with historically cold temperatures
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/01/04/cold-weather-india-deaths/1809315/

    Down to -50C: Russians freeze to death as strongest-in-decades winter hits
    http://rt.com/news/russia-freeze-cold-temperature-379/

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  42. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    Apparently the tax cuts should be reversed to create work schemes for malingering youth. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10858589

    How about we don’t pay the dole to those under 25. If students have to rely on their parents until they are 25 why can’t unemployed/unemployable youth do the same.

    The lefties love Fran now according to the comments.

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  43. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    A bleeding-heart and do-gooder asks for more. By the way, his quango was created at the request of the whorish Dunne.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8169594/Children-need-changes-now-commissioner

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  44. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Yes watwat the sun as squawky explained last night is the big red ball up in the sky that heats our world
    its startling that the climate scientist have not noticed this and spent time researching the link between the sun and the climate
    one day if they do they will have to create a organization The National Aeronautics and Space Administration would be a good name for this dont you think

    Thanks for the link to world winter weather we seem to have a number of persons fascinated by cold weather on KB
    Its tragic when extreme cold not seen for a few decades makes problems. I guess as the world warms unusual cold becomes more of a talking point

    Of coarse the scientist have been warning for years that one of the effects of global warming will be more extremes in weather as we alter the climate around us its good that people remind us of global warming by pointing out this wild weather

    And just in passing you made just a little mistake in you post the met says there is a fifty percent chance of any future year being warmest on the record. By that I guess that they do support the science of global warming cuase if its not warming records would happen less than once a century

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  45. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Jamaican Gold today, Griff?

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  46. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    No Red, he shows you up as an ignorant troll, at least he tries to substantiate what he claims. I asked a question, you couldn’t respond.

    Fletch sometimes has some dubious sources, I’ll check them out when I have time.

    In the meantime, Republicans have already introduced bills in to Congress to:

    — Block Planned Parenthood from receiving federal funds for family planning
    — Ban all abortions even in cases of rape and incest, and possibly go as far as banning some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization
    — Repeal Obamacare

    That’s a Democrat view so may be overstated but all those policies have been promoted by Republicans in the past.

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  47. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    No manalulu
    haven’t seen any imported pot since the boatload the hell angels landed in the late eighty’s
    if you have a source of imported pot you should share it around not be greedy and keep it for yourself

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  48. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Manolo, Dr Wills is a highly respected paediatrician, he probably knows more about child health problems than you.

    The Hawke’s Bay-based paediatrician knows first hand how bad things have become.

    British health professionals he works with have never seen some of the Third World diseases which have become an everyday occurrence here.

    “A year in acute paediatrics in New Zealand is like their whole training.”

    Some of the child health stats in New Zealand are shameful. Shouldn’t we do more to address the problems?

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  49. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:


    In the meantime, Republicans have already introduced bills in to Congress to:

    — Block Planned Parenthood from receiving federal funds for family planning
    — Ban all abortions even in cases of rape and incest, and possibly go as far as banning some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization
    — Repeal Obamacare

    GOOD!
    I hope they do. Planned Parenthood are BUTCHERS.

    In November, Planned Parenthood botched another abortion on a woman, that time in Indianapolis, Indiana. After injuring the woman, staffers at the Planned Parenthood abortion clinic attempted to hide the failed abortion from emergency dispatchers.

    Now, lawmakers are seeking an investigation of the abortion business.

    An ambulance was called to transport a woman in the middle of a second-trimester abortion to the hospital from a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in Indianapolis on November 2 after the abortion practitioner refused to continue the abortion. The emergency was classified a Priority E, which reserved for the most severe cases, according to information Operation Rescue provided LifeNews at the time.

    That was the seventeenth medical emergency documented by Operation Rescue at Planned Parenthood abortion clinics since January, 2011.

    This is not including Marla Cardamone, only 18 years old, who died during an abortion procedure. Her Mother has given permission for her autopsy photos and those of her unborn baby to be used by Life Dynamics.

    A pro-life group has released the graphic images today of a woman who was killed in a botched legal abortion. The group says they are some of the first images ever seen publicly of a woman who was brutalized by an abortion that claimed her life.

    When 18-year-old Marla Cardamone was killed having an abortion at a Pennsylvania hospital, her mother, Deborah, vowed that she would never let her daughter be forgotten.  Then, late last year, she approached the pro-life group Life Dynamics and asked the group’s president Mark Crutcher to help her show the public the risks women face when they submit to abortions.
    Today, Life Dynamics is releasing a new brochure revealing what happened to Marla and her unborn son, including ghastly photos from Marla’s autopsy. The organization has also created a new website SafeandLegal.com that features the images and more information on how botched legal abortions kill and injure women.

    “The pro-life movement has never had images to illustrate the unimaginable brutality and ugliness of women being killed in America’s “Safe and Legal” abortion clinics.  But those days are over,” Crutcher told LifeNews. “We are going to show America what it looks like when women climb onto a table in one of these places and end up on an autopsy table a few hours later.”

    Go HERE if you can stomach it. The stops have been pulled out. People always argue that if abortion were illegal then women would go to back alley butchers: well, in many cases, Planned Parenthood ARE those butchers.

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  50. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    un-blockquote did not work…

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  51. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    ps…

    In the meantime, Republicans have already introduced bills in to Congress to:

    Cripes! You mean they intend to do it the legal way??

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  52. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Oh dear, Mrs Yeagers little fella Jimmie really should have STFU.

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  53. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Yes, the doctor knows more, but he’s too gullible and a fool all the same:

    “There’s car wrecks and beer bottles and the houses had deteriorated … you just wouldn’t send a kid to deliver scripts around those streets now, which I think is really sad.”

    He is proud of their work and believes in their suggested solutions. One of the headline recommendations was the introduction of a universal child payment to parents with children aged under 5.

    Really? Who is going to fund it? Where are the parents who litter the lawn with beer bottles and car wrecks?
    This doctor doesn’t seem to know the meaning of individual responsibility

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  54. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    “Cripes! You mean they intend to do it the legal way??”

    Makes you wonder where this rambling disjointed idiot’s thinking facilities are doesn’t it?

    When you see such an example of intellectual incoherency.

    They have to be in his arse.

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  55. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    Some of you may have seen the Herald article on unemployment.

    In it there was a claim that youth unemployment was worse here than in Europe.

    These are the OECD statistics.

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/unemp-yth-table-2012-1-en/index.html?contentType=/ns/Table,/ns/KeyTableEdition,/ns/StatisticalPublication&itemId=/content/table/unemp-yth-table-2012-1-en&containerItemId=/content/table/20752342-table2&accessItemIds=/content/tablecollection/20752342&mimeType=text/html

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  56. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    I am surprised whale has not coped the same for some of his posts cha
    telling the blog readers that he would shoot perps will land him in jail if he ever does. It also violates the terms of his gun license

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  57. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Fletch, if Obama has acted illegally when will impeachment proceedings begin? Are the Republicans on to it? Like they have pursued Obama illegally being president due to being born on Mars

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  58. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    “— Block Planned Parenthood from receiving federal funds for family planning
    — Ban all abortions even in cases of rape and incest, and possibly go as far as banning some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization
    — Repeal Obamacare”

    fuck id be dirty if they hadnt said all that!

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  59. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    theres a bain thread thats now up to 2000 comments. some new commer called dotcom has already made 1200+ comments. i think its been here about 3 weeks.

    dpf should call someone. i think their needs to be an intervention.

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  60. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Fundies do the darn’est things.

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  61. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    PG, that’s just it. The occasional Republican will speak up and say something, but as a whole no one seems to be doing anything. The threatened “legal action” after Obama illegally appointed his union buddies to the labour board illegally, but more deeds to be done to stop this guy –

    Hours after enraging Republicans by appointing the head of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau while Congress is out of town, President Obama again bypassed GOP opposition in appointing three people to the National Labor Relations Board.

    While union leaders praised the move, Republicans threatened legal action and said Obama is setting a dangerous precedent by ignoring the will of Congress.

    Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the appointments “highly controversial” and said they “put the interests of union bosses ahead of job creators and workers.”

    Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., said the appointments “may impress the union bosses but will deliver yet another blow to job creation.” 

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  62. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Sorry, can’t correct my bad grammar at the moment.

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  63. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    theres a bain thread thats now up to 2000 comments. some new commer called dotcom has already made 1200+ comments. i think its been here about 3 weeks.

    Yes it’s also of note that precisely exactly the very same circular issue is raised time and time and time again in Bain thread after Bain thread after Bain thread and it keeps circling as if certain people are incapable of getting it through their thick skulls that whether or not Bain did it has nothing to do with the political issue of whether or not he gets compensated. Which says a lot about their ability or otherwise to analyse politics.

    Not that I care. As others have said, it’s clearly about DPF lifting his page count. As soon as the previous Bain thread dies down he posts another one. And like sharks to chum, the morons who don’t understand politics immediately start chomping away, displaying as much fanaticism as your average Al Qa-ida recruit and as much sense as them, as well.

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  64. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    Cool change in Oz.
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/cool-change-catches-forecasters-on-the-hop-20130112-2cm0r.html

    The new coours for 50+ temperatures were very pretty, but not long lived.
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont-weather-bureau-backtracks-from-50plus-forecast-20130109-2cfm5.html

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  65. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Nice spin RN
    From your links
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont-weather-bureau-backtracks-from-50plus-forecast-20130109-2cfm5.html

    Forecasters expect Sunday and Monday to provide the next chance of 50-plus degrees — and for the possible appearance of that new purple shade to the country’s observed weather charts, not just the forecast maps.
    Ben McBurney, a meteorologist at Weatherzone, says outback towns ranging from Bourke and Cobar in NSW to Moomba, Oodnadatta and Marree in South Australia are all candidates to reach 50 degrees in coming days.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/cool-change-catches-forecasters-on-the-hop-20130112-2cm0r.html
    Central Australia’s giant heat cell is showing little sign of breaking up, with only ‘‘some indications’’ that it may start to cool off in ‘‘about a week’s time

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  66. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Righto, who’d like one of these?.

    The image displayed on the scope isn’t a direct visual, but rather a video image taken through the scope’s objective lens. The Linux-powered scope produces a display that looks something like the heads-up display you’d see sitting in the cockpit of a fighter jet, showing the weapon’s compass orientation, cant, and incline. To shoot at something, you first “mark” it using a button near the trigger. Marking a target illuminates it with the tracking scope’s built-in laser, and the target gains a pip in the scope’s display. When a target is marked, the tracking scope takes into account the range of the target, the ambient temperature and humidity, the age of the barrel, and a whole boatload of other parameters. It quickly reorients the display so the crosshairs in the center accurately show where the round will go.

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  67. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,715) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    That’s a great post but where’s the medical data? previous to her going into the clinic? during the aborted abortion? and after?

    Great post.

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  68. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    cha (1,857) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Nice!

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  69. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    What would the legion of Bainites (muggins, Judith, Dotcom, gamefisher, etc) do without the existence of his murderous hero?

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  70. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Manolo

    What concerns me is if DPF runs out of Bain threads…..the nutters might move over to GD!

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  71. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    DPF is too clever. He will never run out of Bain-related topics.
    The murderer is a drawcard for the eternally-obsessed with his bloody crime.

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  72. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    What concerns me is if DPF runs out of Bain threads…..the nutters might move over to GD!

    Yes but he never will nasska. The idiots will keep debating the same old windmill for the next ten years, by all projection calculations. It’s a shame we couldn’t have done that with philu and it doesn’t seem to work for Penny either. Somewhere there has to be an algorithm that detects such windmill-chasing behaviour automatically and as soon as one of those makes a post an immediate tangential counter-point is generated automatically to send them spinning off in some other direction like a leave caught in a giant whirlpool which the system just keeps responding to as they wander farther and farther away from the rest of us as we resume the conversation.

    There’s a hell of a big market for that. Think about it: AGW fanatics. Gweenies of any kind. Commies. Any mental stupid really dumb group you just can’t stand, is never there anymore. I mean as you say, imagine if the Baineans were to come over here how disruptive that would be. How much would you pay, to avoid all of that, forever.

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  73. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    sshhhhhh Reid dont post the names of dread you know it calls them.

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  74. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Reid

    I reckon that we would in those circumstances be forced to beg forgiveness from ‘lprent’, pack our bags & move over to the dark side. :)

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  75. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Dean Papa (301) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    we are fast approaching the 2000 mark, can we do it ?

    Laugh or cry, whatever you prefer.

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  76. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    Today’s official statement by the White House on the issue of constructing a Death Star is disappointing. The estimated cost of $850 quadrillion comes at a time when they are apparently trying to reduce the budget deficit.
    http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/11/16468880-white-house-thumbs-down-on-death-star-thumbs-up-on-space?lite

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  77. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Can we ban
    1 conspiracy nutters
    2 theists

    I mean belief in conspiracy is mad defined as psychotic illness

    As is the insane belief in supernatural invisible incogitable sky pixies

    Best to keep the nutters away after all this is supposed to be a liberal blog not a place for whacky RWNJ’s :lol:

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  78. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Anyone who’s keen to work on the new death star should keep in mind the terrible punishment dished out to Bevel Lemelisk.

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  79. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    1 conspiracy nutters
    2 theists

    I mean belief in conspiracy is mad defined as psychotic illness

    As is the insane belief in supernatural invisible incogitable sky pixies

    Best to keep the nutters away after all this is supposed to be a liberal blog not a place for whacky RWNJ’s

    This from some one who haunts Kiwiblog with his doomsday warnings, brought on by the evils of man, and who thinks “Big Oil” is conspiring with the vaguely defined (imaginery) “carbon industry” who are paying us all to hide the truth.

    Yeah right :)

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  80. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    That should get me 20 d
    rightly so
    we are not the left all welcome
    and as its right wing all the fringe as well commies and MM are needed for interchange of ideas

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  81. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    And you’ll probably be required to supply your own US$134.99 titanium hammer too.

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  82. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Has anyone been connecting the dots around the shooting incidents which stink like hell and the consequent gun control, combined with the Chinese stockpiling all sorts of things combined with the US govt’s massive purchase of full metal jacket ammo.

    I don’t know about you but I can feel evil is coming and have felt so for many years now. It’s because IMO the PTB (Powers that be) have been forced into a compressed timeline which makes their evil more transparent. Up till thirty to forty years ago they’d moved slowly so almost none of use ever noticed but for several decades now, they’ve been operating at full throttle. I don’t know why that might be and I don’t really care. I’m just citing a to-me, observable phenomena. But it’s becoming so blatant and so obvious that it’s getting to the point you’re a slack-jawed yokel if you haven’t seen any of the many signs that all is not normal in our global community.

    That last link BTW is well worth saving to your Kindle and reading on the way to work.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7g7SgRckc&feature=player_embedded

    The lnternational Communists, and the International Capitalists, (both of whom have totalitarian ambitions) have temporarily joined hands to defeat Christian-democracy.

    Bella Dodd was a leader of the Communist Party of America (CPUSA) in the 1930′ s and 1940’s. Her book, “School of Darkness” (1954) reveals that Communism was a hoax perpetrated by financiers “to control the common man” and to advance world tyranny. Naturally this important book is out-of-print and not in any used bookstores…[Reid's note: The link here summarises the book, the full book is below]

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/8634527/Bella-Dodd-School-of-Darkness

    and finally

    [10.4 MB pdf] The Leninist strategists ‘take particular heart from the fact that American and West European policymakers have no understanding of their strategy and its dialectic nor any means of countering if’. ANATOLIY GOLITSYN, ‘The Perestroika Deception’, page 58, Memorandum of 4th January 1988.

    ‘Western experts fail to perceive the strategic continuity behind [events]. They accumulate facts but are unable to see their strategic interaction and cannot build them into a strategic picture. They lack vision and insight, which is why they are floundering in the face of the onslaught which they fail to understand’. ANATOLIY GOLITSYN,’The Perestroika Deception’, page 38, Memorandum of March 1989.

    This prevents the West from appreciating ‘the irreconcilable differences of principle between the Western and Soviet versions of democracy and the market economy. In the West, elections usually decide which party achieves political power’. In the USSR and now in the ‘former’ Soviet Union, ‘the Communist Party continues to decide the outcome. It maintains its monopoly of political power … through a controlled “multi-Party system”‘ [in which all the participants, without any exception, are covert Communists masquerading under false, Western style 'non-Communist' labels, or overt Communists wearing their own labels. In the 'former' Soviet Union, the continuing Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) controls and supervises all the political 'fractions' splintered out of the CPSU itself, as is explained and proved with documentation in Part One - Ed.]. ANATOLIY GOLITSYN,’The Perestroika Deception’, page 127, Memorandum of September-November 1990

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  83. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    doomsday warnings
    Evils of man

    Squawk

    there is nothing funny about a 250 year event

    Ask the Aussies and yanks about the heat
    Or the poms about the wet

    250 year events

    Watch this space as they become ten year events or even the new norm

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  84. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    To call someone nutter is the epitome of irony for you, weed man.

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  85. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    See Griff if the algorithm was operating it would have just picked up your 5:29 and automatically generated something so fascinating you just couldn’t resist replying and pretty soon you’d be lost in hyperspace, while the rest of us carried on discussing something worthwhile…

    :)

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  86. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    “250 year events”

    The highest temperature ever recorded in Australia was at Cloncurry in Queensland on the 16th of January 1889, it was 53.1 degrees Celsius.

    Although still considered, by most people, as the highest temperature ever recorded in Australia, it has to be noted that this Cloncurry temperature is no longer considered to be an “official” temperature reading because the equipment used would not have been satisfactory by today’s standards.

    The “official” highest temperature recorded in Australia was at Oodnadatta in South Australia on the 2nd of January 1960, it was 50.7 degrees Celsius.

    The longest heatwave in the world was at Marble Bar in Western Australia from the 31st of October 1923 to the 7th of April 1924, 160 days of temperatures of or over 37.8 degrees Celsius (100 degrees Fahrenheit) The highest temperature recorded during the heatwave was on the 18th of January 1924, it was 47.5 degrees Celsius. Now that’s a climate extreme and an interesting weather fact!

    http://www.australian-information-stories.com/weather-facts.html

    1889 (124 years ago) – hotter than now
    1960 (53 years ago) – about the same as now
    1923-1924 (89-90 years ago) – “longest heatwave in the world” happened before CO2 could be blamed for it. Curious…

    You sure like to make shit up grief!

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  87. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Reid

    But you ignore the vast difference between Griff & say Water Woman, Redbaiter or Luc. Griff’s future as a prophet may be a little shaky but at least his convictions, however whacky, are normally delivered with humour & good grace.

    If we’re going to have nutters at least let’s have relatively sane ones. :)

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  88. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Yes right now lovely high temperatures in some god forsaking abo outpost in the middle of nowhere may have been hotter

    Consider:

    For a week, the average daily national high temperature has topped 39°C (for the metrically-illiterate among us, above 102°F). Remember, this is not Kuwait we’re talking about but an entire continent.
    Never before in recorded history has Australia experienced 5 consecutive days of national-average maximum temperatures above 39C. Until 2013 …
    For context, the previous record of four days occurred once only (1973) and 3 days has occurred only twice (1972,2002).

    The general description of conditions down under? Catastrophic.

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  89. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    For the eternal alarmist and doomsayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOEUFKh-SU&feature=player_embedded#!

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  90. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    nasska that’s why I left a smiley instead of a …

    :)

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  91. Redbaiter (8,528 comments) says:

    “his convictions, however whacky, are normally delivered with humour & good grace.”

    Narsekissa, you really need to get to grips with yourself. Putting an obsequious and insipid smiley face at the end of a sentence does not automatically make it funny.

    You progressives are not funny to people who do not think like you, and that is because we do not share the often distorted and unreal premises that underpin your so called humour.

    Too many of the smiley faces that are meant to signify jokes more often betray a twisted and miserable mindset and a warped world view that I’m so damn glad I do not share.

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  92. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    As in most things Reddy, presentation is everything. Few would hope to change the world via a blog comment.

    But keep trying. :) :)

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  93. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    I’m sure the past events were just as catastrophic for those affected grief, but I’m sure you’ve donated to the relief funds because regardless of the cause it is catastrophic.
    Do you think their carbon tax will help?

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  94. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    LOL ! Dont know how that happened Manolo !

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  95. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Don’t you find nutters funny weddy
    :lol:
    Don’t you like people laughing at you
    It makes us happy you should enjoy
    Stop being such a grumpy old facist

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  96. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Don’t listen to the nutters Griff. I prefer listening to scientists.

    David Legates, PhD, Delaware state climatologist & assoc. professor of climatology, University of Delaware, asks, “Is our climate changing and if so, are humans responsible?” He answers, yes and no. Climate is always changing; and no, humans are not driving the change. Dr. Legates examines current data and finds warming has leveled off in the past 5 years

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  97. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Griff: My rule of thumb is: Avoid anything that puts a moral spin on the facts.
    In this, Griff, light you might be able to view Climate change Castrophe as: Climate Anomalies
    PS
    I’ve been drinking wine longer than you’ve been sucking on yo Mama’s tittie and I’ve been through many environmental pronouncements of doom.
    Same Shit, Different Day.
    It’s delusion, Griff and personally I’d rather drink from the font of Oyster Bay than the font of self delusion.

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  98. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    MW, good rule of thumb that. Facts have no moral component at all.

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  99. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Ok, you lot seem pretty intelligent so perhaps you can answer this question a person asked me today.

    As there are more humans on the planet than ever before, and so many animals have become extinct, does it have any effect on the balance of nature, or could it in the future?

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  100. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Judith, the term “balance of nature” is a loaded one. It implies that some sort of system is the “correct” one, usually one not involving humans. Humans are not like animals, they ARE animals.

    What balance are you referring to?

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  101. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    I’m sure that it makes sense in America.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/946q678cuy8bts2/Non%20believer.jpg

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  102. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    I must be out of sync, when did we okay our police to carry glocks on their persons while on duty?

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  103. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Kea (1,554) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    ———————-

    I have no idea what balance they were referring to. I simply answered, “look I use my recycle bins, and sold the V8″!

    I just wanted to be prepared for the next time I stand still for too long and get cornered. I care for the planet, I really do, I just don’t think my contribution to the problem is significant enough for me to be able to help. (yeah it’s a cop out!)

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  104. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Wait! Do you hear it? There’s no Bainers here.

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  105. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Griff,

    So colder temperatures are evidence of global warming,eh?

    Just like some Christians say that Satan’s greatest achievement is to make people believe he doesn’t exist. Global warming is the new religion.

    And you wonder why people laugh at you.

    And contrary to your belief, there is nothing unique or “extreme” about the temperatures I cited (or about the current weather in general.) They are matching events of several decades ago:

    The coldest winter in decades is causing blizzards in northern China

    New Delhi sees coldest temperature since 1969.

    Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years

    Only someone with no rational thinking skills would therefore try to claim them as evidence of global warming.

    The point of citing them is precisely because they match extreme cold temperatures of several decades ago, directly contradicting the global warming scam with its promise of runaway warming.

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  106. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Azeraph (100) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    ———————————–

    I believe there are certain circumstances when it is allowed. Most squad cars have them in their trunks anyway. Lone officers in isolated areas have special guidelines. The manual isn’t on line, however, I”m sure there will be some reference to the guidelines available.

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  107. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Two parents take their son on a vacation to a nude beach. The father goes for a walk on the beach and the son goes and plays in the water.
    The son comes running up to his mom and says…”Mommy, I saw ladies with boobies a lot bigger than yours!” The mom says…”the bigger they are, the dumber they are.”
    So he goes back to play. Several minutes later he comes running back and says…”Mommy, I saw men with dingers a lot bigger than Daddy’s!” The mom says…”the bigger they are, the dumber they are.”
    So he goes back to play. Several minutes later he comes running back and says…”Mommy, I just saw Daddy talking to the dumbest lady I ever saw and the more and more he talked, the dumber and dumber he got

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  108. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Judith (570) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    What most people forget is our penchant for deforestation. The Maori did it when they came here then the Brits did it as well. Everywhere else on the planet this behavior continues.

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  109. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Friendship among Women:

    A woman didn’t come home one night. The next morning she told her husband that she had slept over at a friend’s house. The man called his wife’s 10 best friends. None of them knew anything about it.

    Friendship among Men:

    A man didn’t come home one night. The next morning he told his wife that he had slept over at a friend’s house. The woman called her husband’s 10 best friends. Eight confirmed that he had slept over, and two said he was still there.

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  110. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    A blonde and a lawyer are seated next to each other on a flight from LA to NY. The lawyer asks if she would like to play a game. The blonde, who’s tired and just wants to take a nap, politely declines and rolls over to the window to catch a few winks. The lawyer persists and says the game is easy and a lot of fun. He explains, “I ask you a question, and if you don’t know the answer, you pay me $5.00, and vice versa.” Again, she declines and tries to get some sleep. The lawyer, now agitated, says, “Okay, if you don’t know the answer you pay me $5.00, and if I don’t know the answer, I will pay you $500.00.” This catches the blonde’s attention; and figuring there will be no end to this torment unless she plays, she agrees to the game.
    The lawyer asks the first question: “What’s the distance from the earth to the moon?” The blonde doesn’t say a word, reaches into her purse, pulls out a $5.00 bill, and hands it to the lawyer. “Okay,” says the lawyer, “it’s your turn.”
    She asks the lawyer, “What goes up a hill with three legs but comes down with four legs?”
    The lawyer, puzzled, takes out his laptop computer and searches all his references–no answer. He taps into the airphone with his modem and searches the Net and the Library of Congress–no answer. Frustrated, he sends e-mails to all his friends and coworkers, to no avail. After an hour, he wakes the blonde and hands her $500.
    The blonde says “Thank you” and turns back to get some more sleep.
    The lawyer, who is more than a little miffed, wakes the blonde and asks, “Well, what’s the answer?”
    Without a word, the blonde reaches into her purse, hands the lawyer $5.00, and goes back to sleep:)

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  111. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    As there are more humans on the planet than ever before, and so many animals have become extinct, does it have any effect on the balance of nature, or could it in the future?

    Judith the Georgia Guidestones suggest 500 million is a good number.

    This is possibly because the people who paid to erect that “monument” have calculated that this sustains the gene pool sufficiently to keep themselves in the style to which they’ve become accustomed while the rest of we “useless eaters” as they call us, “entertain them.”

    That’s the plan anyway, according to that monument, in stone, which really exists, ‘somewhere in Georgia.’

    Quite depressing really. If you don’t like death, that is.

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  112. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Judith (571) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Oh, thanks, i was shocked to hear and see it on the news with that poor cop in Kawhia, That situation could’ve turned ugly if they took that weapon. This is now going to galvanize the fearists.

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  113. Bill (94 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate has joined in on beating up poor Shearer!
    I bet he is regretting being the flag carrier for Annette and Phil!

    “So the question is, has Shearer got the courage to give the members and critics what they want without standing behind (in front of a private army with guns?) the vote of his caucus?”

    http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/labour-struggles-with-its-direction.html?m=1

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  114. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Well done kea a fundie nutter

    Google who he works for
    who pays his bills
    who he has co published papers with

    Here is some more nutters for you to post

    Tony Abbott
    Don Aitkin
    Dennis Avery
    Sallie L. Baliunas
    Tim Ball
    Robert C. Balling of Arizona State University
    Glenn Beck, CNN TV Fox and Koch strategy group attendee
    David Bellamy
    Reid Bryson
    Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen
    Douglas Carswell M.P.
    Alan Carlin
    Robert (Bob) Carter
    Ian Castles
    John R. Christy
    Ian Clark
    Alexander Cockburn
    Martin Cohen, and philosophical objections to the global warming theorists
    Vincent Courtillot
    Joseph D’Aleo
    Martin Durkin
    Paul Driessen
    Freeman Dyson
    Myron Ebell Director, Competitive Enterprise Institute’s Center for Energy and Environment
    David Evans
    Ray Evans
    The Rt. Rev. Peter R. Forster The Bishop of Chester
    Stewart Franks
    George Fox
    Ivar Giaever
    Robert Giegengack
    Steve Goddard
    Bill Gray
    William Happer
    Chris Horner, the author of “Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming
    Sherwood Idso
    Andrei Illarionov, chief economic adviser to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin
    James M. Inhofe
    Kiminori Itoh
    Zbigniew Jaworowski
    Aynsley Kellow
    William Kininmonth
    Czech president Vaclav Klaus
    Hans H. J. Labohm
    Donna Laframboise
    Lord Lawson
    David Legates
    Marlo Lewis, from the Competitive Enterprise Institute;
    Richard S. Lindzen
    Bjorn Lomborg
    Jennifer Marohasy
    Stephen McIntyre
    Ross McKitrick
    Patrick J. Michaels
    Christopher Monckton
    Andrew Montford
    Alan Moran
    Luboš Motl
    Alan Oxley
    Garth Paltridge
    Tim Patterson
    Cardinal Pell
    Roger Pielke Jr.
    Ian Plimer
    Arthur B. Robinson
    Frederick Seitz (deceased 2008)
    S. Fred Singer
    Willie Soon
    Roy Spencer
    Carlo Stagnaro
    Bob Stallman
    Philip Stott
    John H. Sununu
    George Taylor,
    Wolfgang Thüne
    Jan Veizer
    Len Walker
    Anthony Watts
    Bruno Wiskel
    Sammy Wilson

    Go hard kea

    A list of nutters for you to post one a day for weeks then start again

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  115. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Reid (12,750) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    Thank you for your answer, and the link. Fascinating.

    Can’t say I enjoy the concept of death, but put this way, can you imagine life where people didn’t die?
    Give it some thought. It’s interesting, e.g. being married to the same person for a thousand years, doing the same job, not being to have children once the world had reach maximum sustainable population and so on.

    Death has its merits. :-)

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  116. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    BTW, Satan is very legalistic and part of the deal with him being behind all of this stuff is that he has to tell us about it, so that the wise can take heed.

    That’s part of the Satanic-YHWH deal and it cannot be broken or else all bets are off and as I said, Satan is very legalistic so every dot and crossed-t counts.

    As some of us know the Batman movie showed Sandy Hook on the map, for example.

    Another [small] example is the CNN interview of Emilie Parker’s Dad.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/16/us/connecticut-emilie-parker/index.html

    Emilie was later photographed sitting on Obama’s lap.

    This goes on all the time.

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  117. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Griff he is a climate scientist. You know, like the ones you quote all the time. It is interesting to see you question a climate scientist and suggest he is doing it for the money. So finally you acknowledge that scientists can be corrupted. Keep going with that…

    Who pays the alarmists Griff and what would happen to their funding if AGW was proven false ?

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  118. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
    including 9,029 with PhDs

    “There is no convincing scientific evidence….”

    http://www.petitionproject.org/

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  119. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    No Need to Panic About Global Warming
    There’s no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to ‘decarbonize’ the world’s economy.

    Editor’s Note: The following has been signed by the 16 scientists listed at the end of the article:

    Perhaps the most inconvenient fact is the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now. This is known to the warming establishment, as one can see from the 2009 “Climategate” email of climate scientist Kevin Trenberth: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.” But the warming is only missing if one believes computer models where so-called feedbacks involving water vapor and clouds greatly amplify the small effect of CO2.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

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  120. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Kea (1,557) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    A friend of mine said to me from the states a long time ago “Always follow the money trail”

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  121. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Three guys in the pub were struggling to settle an argument about who was the best lover when one suggested he had a sound measuring device and that they should all take it in turns to record how loud their wives screamed during sex.

    They all agreed, so a week later the group met in the pub to discuss their results over a pint.

    “Well I did the experiment,” said the first guy, “and the device measured 89 decibels, beat that.”

    “No problem,” said the second guy smugly. “I did the experiment and the device measured 98 decibels. Now, what do you say about that?”

    “Not bad,” the third guy replied, “but when I did the experiment the device measured in at a whopping 128 decibels.”

    “128 decibels?” said the first bloke. “How on earth did you get your missus to scream that loud while you were having sex?”

    “Easy,” he replied, “she walked in while I was fucking her sister.”

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  122. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    What happens to those who question climate change:

    For taking an intellectual stand, my name and reputation have been comprehensively trashed. And something very similar has happened to Dr David Bellamy, who has never been shy about expressing his belief that climate change is an entirely natural phenomenon. His media career, particularly in television, has suffered as a result.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1359350/Zoe-Balls-father-Johnny-vilified-questioning-global-warming.html#ixzz2Hk4q2wbd
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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  123. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    The thing is Kea, is that even when confronted by evidence that climate scientists receive a hundred times more funding from fossil fuel companies, grief believes only scientists that don’t say what he thinks they should could possibly be influenced by their money.

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  124. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    nasska :)

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  125. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Oh, By the way papers are being submitted in the thousands every day and are not being peer reviewed because there is not enough reviewers to do it, hang on. Most of those papers are updates on previous versions so, How many are subjected to rigorous review and who is doing the reviews?

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  126. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    Skeptical viewpoints are just a big-oil funded conspirawhacky, eh grief?

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  127. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    122 comments! Before I clicked I thought – not climate change again.
    Clicked, and yep it’s climate change again!

    (Thanks for the jokes nasska and viking2 – if people want to stay here, they are going to need them).

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  128. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Reid

    Half a billion seems to be the figure the Greens are aiming for too. One of our fellow commenters posted an excellent wrap up of the the published thoughts of a few of the nutters last year. A fried motherboard on my desktop prevents me from providing a link.

    Obviously the blueprints for the cull are real secret squirrel stuff as, so far, no one has mentioned jackshit about how we will be led to the gas chambers.

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  129. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    bc, happy to discuss my experiences with the principal at my son’s school instead. It took over a year of hounding her through every channel possible but the useless trollop finally took early retirement. What a joke our education system is.
    She was protected by teacher’s council, principal’s federation and the limited statutory manager, and all the while the school was going to shit, lost around 20% of the school roll year on year.

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  130. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Azeraph, good advice. The AGW fraud is a huge trillion dollar global industry. For those so called “climate scientists’ it is their own source of income. When people stop playing along with AGW and cut the funding, they will have no job and no professional credibility. They will attempt to manufacture another crisis, wait and see.

    There is no scientific consensus on this issue. Getting a group of people together who all support AGW and depend on it for a living, is not a consensus. It is a special interest group.

    Anyone who does not play along is excluded and the alarmists will try and discredit them and destroy them professionally. Given those circumstances, of course there is “consensus” in the group.

    You see Griff try an discredit those who speak the truth, by making up stories about them being funded by “BIG OIL” or the fictional “Carbon Industry”. Of course he ignores who funds the alarmists and the fact oil companies make billions, from oil, no climate science. The alarmists only source of income is AGW. Until a few years ago no one had even heard of the term “climate scientists”. It is a made up name and they should be called what they are, weathermen, and we all know how reliable they are.

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  131. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    climate scientologists seems apt

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  132. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    who pays your nutter kea
    Exxon and the Koch brothers

    Who else can we link to Exxon and the Koch brothers
    Try just about every name on the list of nutters I just posted
    Why does Exxon need to pay scientist that say AGW is not happening?

    What happens if we stop burning oil?
    Exxon and the Koch brothers lose money

    conspiracy yes

    Except mine is
    documented with cause reason and real proof

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Legates
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy

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  133. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    wat dabney 7:19 pm

    Global warming causes climate change.

    A warmer Artic will result in more in cold weather going south into Europe, Eurasia, Asia and North America. So an increased number of cold weather events could also be a consequence of global warming.

    As to events in Eastern Europe or India or late, one off events (even at record) levels neither prove or disprove global warming.

    While the cold weather in the north is only matching
    Griff,

    So colder temperatures are evidence of global warming,eh?

    Just like some Christians say that Satan’s greatest achievement is to make people believe he doesn’t exist. Global warming is the new religion.

    And you wonder why people laugh at you.

    And contrary to your belief, there is nothing unique or “extreme” about the temperatures I cited (or about the current weather in general.) They are matching events of several decades ago:

    “The coldest winter in decades is causing blizzards in northern China”

    “New Delhi sees coldest temperature since 1969.”

    “Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years”

    Only someone with no rational thinking skills would therefore try to claim them as evidence of global warming.

    The point of citing them is precisely because they match extreme cold temperatures of several decades ago, directly contradicting the global warming scam with its promise of runaway warming.

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  134. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Griff, we are not going to stop burning oil ! :) :) :)

    Where on earth did you get that silly idea?

    Anyway, according to your fellow environmental extremists, the oil is running out. Remember the big “Peak Oil” craze a few years back Griff? So according to you lot, the imaginary fossil fuel problem will fix its self. No worries.

    In the mean time the oil companies will make billions supplying the world with a wonderful product that has done so much for humanity. Unlike primitives such as yourself who have done nothing but spread fear and ignorance.

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  135. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    edited without use of an unavailable edit function.

    wat dabney 7:19 pm

    Global warming causes climate change.

    A warmer Artic will result in more in cold weather going south into Europe, Eurasia, Asia and North America. So an increased number of cold weather events could also be a consequence of global warming.

    As to events in Eastern Europe or India or late, one off events (even at record) levels neither prove or disprove global warming.

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  136. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Sounds interesting, RightNow. A welcome change from climate change!
    Can you tell us all the details?

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  137. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Researchers at a London Hospital have invented the first marijuana based suppository.

    The only draw back so far is that ten minutes after insertion you have a desire to shove a Moro bar up your arse.

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  138. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Half a billion seems to be the figure the Greens are aiming for too. One of our fellow commenters posted an excellent wrap up of the the published thoughts of a few of the nutters last year. A fried motherboard on my desktop prevents me from providing a link.

    Bugger.

    Obviously the blueprints for the cull are real secret squirrel stuff as, so far, no one has mentioned jackshit about how we will be led to the gas chambers.

    Nuclear and biological nasska while “they” sit it out, deep underground.

    There’ll probably be armed, roving, vicious gangs as well. Just like in Syria, right now.

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  139. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Can anyone remember back to the big OZONE HOLE scare ? The weatherman climate scientists told us it would destroy us and it was all due to mans evil ways, capitalism and America. I bet Griff fell for that one too.

    Turns out ozone holes are natural.

    http://knowledgedrift.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/ozone-the-hole-that-always-was/

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  140. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Reid

    Feasible but a tad risky if the main protagonists get a bit carried away & render the planet uninhabitable for the foreseeable future due to massive nuclear fallout.

    What would be the muster numbers for the safe bunkers?

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  141. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Feasible but a tad risky if the main protagonists get a bit carried away & render the planet uninhabitable for the foreseeable future due to massive nuclear fallout.

    Well they’re the one’s who are launching them in the first place nasska so presumably they’ve worked out how many is too many to the last warhead.

    What would be the muster numbers for the safe bunkers?

    Think cities several miles underground not a WWII Hitler bunker. Those are the muster numbers.

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  142. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    environmental extremists
    primitives such as yourself
    trillion dollar
    no scientific consensus on this issue.
    Climategate
    special interest group.
    imaginary fossil fuel problem

    Where do I start so many stupid unsupported statements in so short a time? A massive squawk that squawky :lol:

    Why bother I have had the nutters spinning one more day :lol:
    making silly statements that most would find idiotic
    All I need to post is
    All time Records
    Wet England yearly
    Heatwave Aussie national by four days so far
    Warmth USA yearly
    ice melt arctic

    And some are still trying to deny global warming and climate change :lol:
    nutters

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  143. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    I can’t name names bc, the ex-principal seems like the litigious type. But the nub of it is she did bad for and to our son, shredded records that were meant to be kept, failed to comply with various other legislated requirements, spent money she wasn’t authorised to yada yada yada. The LSM should have implemented a performance management programme with her and should have stopped the unauthorised spending, among other things, but failed to. He also recommended the school declare to MoE that there were more students on the roll than he knew were actually going to be at the school the following year. Through that and the unauthorised spending the school has racked up a large deficit.
    Both the teachers council and principals federation washed their hands of taking any action, the MoE didn’t seem to care about failing to meet statutory requirements for foling of reports etc, nor that the LSM failed to meet many of his contractual obligations. I filed official information requests and we built a case with solid evidence including recordings of meetings and phone calls, and over almost a year pursued our case through the BoT. They were in a delicate position as they had to give her every chance to respond, as well having to follow proper employment practices in their role as a good employer.
    Meanwhile we transferred our son to another school. The school roll dropped about 20% year to year.
    Eventually the principal took stress leave and then when her leave entitlement ran out she took early retirement with a healthy payout.
    Our son’s new school has been at the other end of the spectrum, and he’s thriving there. His old school should have been as good, hopefully their new principal will up to the task.
    I appreciate the old principal is just a bad apple, but what a palaver to get any action done. It makes you wonder how many bad apples are embedded in the system.

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  144. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Reid

    The construction of a number of city size bunkers, deep enough & sufficiently self contained, would be the greatest engineering feat of mankind to date. Absolutely massive.

    You don’t think that someone, not part of the inner circle, might notice what was going on?

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  145. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    No ones denying climate change or rising seas or deforestation except with deforestation there is no comparison as no other species has done this on a planetary scale in a 2000 year period.

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  146. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Eight Botched Environmental Forecasts

    1. Within a few years “children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” Snowfall will be “a very rare and exciting event.” Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000

    2. “[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.” Michael Oppenheimer, published in “Dead Heat,” St. Martin’s Press, 1990.

    3. “Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.” Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

    4. “Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010.” Associated Press, May 15, 1989.

    5. “By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” Life magazine, January 1970.

    6. “If present trends continue, the world will be … eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Kenneth E.F. Watt, in “Earth Day,” 1970.

    7. “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people … If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.” Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

    8. “In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.” Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/30/botched-environmental-forecasts/#ixzz2HkPGwciT

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  147. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Looks like we are going to allow our cops to carry glocks and then they are going to have to be trained to yell “Gun!” and then cite “I thought i saw a gun”

    There’s a pack mentality that the young islander and maori have adopted and to a lesser extent the young disenfranchised pakeha coupled with the rise of the young carrying weapons (knives etc ) and the penchant to stomp a person til they are meat is going to make the adoption of the gun seamless.

    Maybe these areas that have only one officer need to have 3 instead.

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  148. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Well, off to watch New Zealand mop up the South African batting lineup and then bat for seven sessions

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  149. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Why so you torture yourself this way Paul? D)

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  150. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    And a pox on WordPress & their missing features. :D

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  151. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Looks like rain might save the Slack Caps…

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  152. chiz (1,133 comments) says:

    A cartoon in The Press late last year referred to The Black Quacks.

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  153. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    Kea, warming is natural, man made warming is not.

    Ozone holes are natural but human activity contriuted to them. Since we began to reduce the contribution the ozone holes are now returning to to the size they naturally were/are.

    Want to inform the writer of the blog that the ozone holes over the Antarctic break up and travel over New Zealand?

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  154. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    They are just woeful. I saw Tent Boult talking up a storm on the news the other night. Apparently he was itching to rip into the South Africans…
    I see he bowled 19 overs yesterday and didn’t even get a wicket.

    Why can’t they just keep their stupid traps shut? Why all the ‘trash talking’ when you are playing the best team in the World?

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  155. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    But not the aussies.

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    Record temperatures are being recorded across the country with the mercury still rising.

    Hot hot hot … New high temperatures are being recorded across the country. Photo: Greg Wood

    A new temperature high for the great heatwave cooking much of the continent has been set with Moomba clocking up 49.6 degrees today.

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    The scorching conditions, which saw the mercury peak at 3.42pm, local time, at the remote South Australian gas region, also sent temperatures soaring in other parts of the eastern interior. The 49.6 reading is the highest for the location and the hottest recorded during the fortnight-long heat spell.

    Other temperatures of note today include the north-western NSW town of Bourke, which hit 48.3, while Birdsville on the Queensland section of Corner Country touched 48.6 degrees.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/new-high-reached-during-great-heatwave-20130112-2cmbw.html#ixzz2HkSRv0Zw

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  156. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    SPC, yes man does have an effect on climate. But it is very small.

    Weathermen have a sorry history of getting it wrong. It is not really science, its guessing.

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  157. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    Kea, those failed forecasts show that a little knowledge multiplied by arrogance concludes with a misjudgement.

    A prudent man would say that

    1. warming in the Arctic could/would allow navigation in summertime.
    2. global warming impacts on climate, but climate systems are complex and the outcomes are variable around the world. Historic weather patterns could/would be affected.

    So with this in mind, we can note that there is man-made warming and the extent of this compared to other warming (uncreased solar cycle activity) is uncertain. This complicates effort to identify the extent to which human activity is warming the globe and thus problematic to forecasting future impact – or quantify what we would have to do to slow the rate of warming.

    We don’t even know if the increasing solar activity of recent times will continue. Having identified it as a factor, it is also now a factor in forecasting global temperature.

    The other variable factor is volcanic activity and smog levels causing cooling (is there more smog than in the past and if so, what impact is it having – especially as Chinese/Indian production increases).

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  158. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Kea (1,565) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Don’t blame the weathermen, they try their best and it’s getting better each year since the first man who thought about trying to predict it from WW1.

    Have you read “The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction”

    It’s a specialized game of hit and miss and no one, and i mean no one can give us the time and date and the total amount of literage of rain that will fall on any given day a year from now.

    Unless someone can state that they have a comp model that can track every particle in the atmosphere we don’t have anything that can properly predict certain weather patterns anywhere and since we are now experiencing extreme weather events it’s just going to make it harder.

    We’re getting better though.

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  159. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    SPC, long term climate forecasts are like long term economic forecasts. There are too many variables and unknowns.

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  160. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Have you read “The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction”

    No, but I might. Thanks.

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  161. Tauhei Notts (1,692 comments) says:

    The new religion is global warming, and I don’t like that religion.
    I am a christian nut.
    Tomorrow I am going to Thames trots and will play the part of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Jesus came to judge the quick and the dead.
    Our horse, who finished 107 lengths behind Tommiray last Sunday, will be racing.
    He will either be quick or he will be dead.

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  162. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Kea (1,567) Says:
    January 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Great book, especially about weather forecasting, gets a bit silly over baseball and Obama’s 2008 election but it gave me an insight into statistics and predictions and the link towards how we want the future to be as opposed to how it actually turns out.

    It’s American, be prepared.

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  163. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    spc
    We do no how much is man made and how much is the sun
    The solar output has been stable then declining since the seventy’s
    If the solar output has not been going up the warming since 1970 can only be caused by co2
    For what its worth we know that sun activity was responsible for some of the MWP

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

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  164. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    Yes Griff, there is no longer a continuing increase in (upward trend) in solar activity. This should allow some attempt to quantify more accurately what the man made rate of temperature increase is.

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  165. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Then we have the no trend since 1998 rubbish

    Trend calculator
    Have a play Find the no warming
    If they were true skeptics they would close one avenue of dispute if it was proven wrong
    The writers of the climate echo chamber are well aware there is a statistically significant trend .

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  166. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Here goes Griff again with his “computer models” designed & programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.

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  167. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    A known Europhile speaks: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261218/Lord-Heseltine-urges-David-Cameron-caution-EU-referendum.html

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  168. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    “Here goes Griff again with his “computer models” designed & programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.”

    Here goes kea again squawky the illogical

    Moron : Its not a computer modal kea its the slope on the temperature record you know when they get temperatures graph them and see if they are going up

    Luddite: computer models to advanced for you kea they should do them on abacus …eh…..

    Idiot: If its a modal Kea they are not real if they were they wouldn’t be modals

    He just proved he does not know what a modal is Is the diferece between graphing the old temperatures and projecting the future temperatures to hard for him to cope with?.
    Still according to kea we should not spend money on computer modals he much prefers the old chicken entrails method of forecasting.

    Kea KB’s Luddite moron telling us science is a waste of money and using computers in science is wrong

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