The 2012 road toll

January 2nd, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Last year New Zealand recorded its second lowest in 50 years, with the deaths of young people significantly stemmed, police say.

At midnight, the provisional road toll stood at 306 – slightly higher than the previous year’s record low of 284 deaths.

While disappointing to go up, the 2011 figure was the lowest figure ever, being a drop of 100 on the year before. The last six years have been:

  • 2007 – 421
  • 2008 – 366
  • 2009 – 384
  • 2010 – 375
  • 2011 – 284
  • 2012 – 306
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112 Responses to “The 2012 road toll”

  1. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    It looks a lot like the reverse of the global warming chart.

    A declining trend, but not new lows each year.

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  2. Brian (Shadowfoot) (78 comments) says:

    How do the figures compare when looking at fatal accidents? 6 people dying in 6 separate accidents in indicative of a more dangerous road network than 6 people dying in a single accident.

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  3. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    .. .. Or you could say that 590 is the lowest two-year period ever.

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  4. MT_Tinman (2,990 comments) says:

    And yet speeds increase and traffic tax collectors still whinge and moan.

    Be interesting to see a breakdown of the statistics; which are single vehicle, two or more vehicle caused by one law-breaker, genuine accidents, roadlice, those caused by vehicles travelling between 5 & 10 kph over the speed limit, those caused by drunk drivers etc.

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  5. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    6 people dying in 6 separate accidents in indicative of a more dangerous road network

    That thinking only works if they occurred on the same stretch of road.

    Road Transport have a formula where there is X amount of crashes and deaths built into each kilometer of NZ road, a points system if you like, when the total points re: deaths etc have been reached they do some work on that bit of road.

    But you will have only had to drive on the road in the last few days to see its the head behind the wheel that is the problem the majority of the time.

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  6. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Tinman genuine accidents

    Top point there, that figure is so small as to be redundant, they are not road accidents they are road crashes, accident implies that circumstances were such that the result was a foregone conclusion but its not a accident if one party was on bald tyres speeding in the rain, pissed passing on double yellows.

    I only attended one true accident ever, everybody involved did the right thing but it still resulted in a death. All others were a result of humans being dickheads

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  7. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    I don’t want to sound callous, but we seem to have something of an obsession with “the road toll”…I was visiting a friend in hospital the other day, and his room mate was desperate to get a newspaper, only to find what the road toll was!

    We have lots of cars, and are a very mobile people Most of us drive many more thousands of k’s a year than, for example, Europeans. We are similar to the yanks and Australians in that regard. Do those and other similar countries obsess about “road carnage” as some like to call it? Given our challenging roads and the number of vehicle movements, we will always have deaths on the road – sad, but the price we pay for our lifestyle.

    Isn’t morbid fascination with “the number” at the end of each year just a bit odd?

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  8. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Cause and effect.

    Yep. Thank God for “traffic tax collectors”.

    Increase their numbers and the tax itself, and the record will be broken again next year.

    Parallels here with the smoking tax.

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  9. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “his room mate was desperate to get a newspaper, only to find what the road toll was!”

    Probably a government employee in Andy Knackerless’s Road Safety Dept. (or whatever the fuck it is called this week)

    Hoping for an increase in the kill so he’d know his job and the funding for his department was safe for next year.

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  10. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    David Garrett, do you have a better suggestion for keeping an eye on the accountability of our tax spend? Not a perfect accountability tool, but part of a package of accountability tools and one that are all relevant, don’t you think?

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  11. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Someone mentioned Andy Knackstead rather harshly.

    Big ups to you Andy. You are doing a great job, and here is a rare compliment from a place where compliments are few and far between.

    Kiwiblog commenters are not famous for giving credit where credit is due, being the cynics that we are. So well done Andy. You are a New Zealand hero, and if you weren’t in the New Year honours, you should have been.

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  12. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    DG

    The road toll fascination is at it’s simplest a combination of a thicko MSM who sensationalise and obsess with certain things at certain times of year and government/bureaucratic/managerialism and target culture which seems to have taken hold of nearly all aspects of government.

    I note ex Supernintendo Paula Rose got a gong in the latest round of giveaways.I suppose it’s cos she reduced the road toll last year and has now retired!

    Road toll? I go with the excellent Clive Mathew Wilson of the Dog and Lemon Guide. It doesn’t have a lot to do with the cops but with better roads and cars.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/campaigner-claims-traffic-enforcement-has-little-effect-road-safety

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  13. Mexican (22 comments) says:

    to paraphrase Swift:
    Road safety is a sort of glass [mirror], wherein beholders do generally discover everybody’s face but their own

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  14. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    Good points DG…..our society is highly mobile, the risk will always be there. Would be interesting to see what the percentage of road deaths per individual journey would be? Absolutely minuscule I would think.

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  15. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Dotcom, I apologise for being so nasty about your son, but sometimes its hard for mothers to know the truth.

    Andy is a little fascist arsehole and his bureau should be shut down along with Wimmen’s Affairs, Maori Affairs, and so many other dens of useless self serving shiny arsed taxpayer parasites.

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  16. eszett (2,334 comments) says:

    Andy is a little fascist arsehole

    Coming from a little fascist arsehole that surely is meant as a compliment.

    My rule of thumb is that if Red hates it, it must be doing a good job and be useful.

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  17. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Andy Knackstedt is the National Media Manager.

    Somehow I do not think he is principally responsible for the reduced road toll.

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  18. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Andy is a little fascist arsehole

    Got a traffic ticket lately did we?

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  19. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “Andy Knackstedt is the National Media Manager.”

    Oh, a commie propagandist.

    That fits.

    While the country is drowning in debt, we need so so many of those.

    Funny how these arseholes not only enslave us to provide their income, but badger us incessantly to make it harder for us to do so.

    Typical slave owners I guess.

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  20. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Andy Knackstead is an awful authoritarian. People like him should not be in the public service, especially in roles where their thinking can effect others. He has no credibility and comes across terribly when speaking. You can clearly see he a nasty control freak with no compassion for others. Vile man.

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  21. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    David Garrett, do you have a better suggestion for keeping an eye on the accountability of our tax spend?

    You assume that more spending leads to lower road toll, and vice versa? There’s that little problem of quality of spend. No, the fascination with the road toll is a blunt, useless instrument in establishing quality of roading spend.

    The biggest difference to the road toll would be a change in attitude … were driving (aka taking the lives’ of others in your hands) was treated as a revokable responsibility rather than a birthright.

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  22. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    My rule of thumb is that if Red hates it,he’s onto something worthwhile………….

    unlike “progressive” dickwads like eggshells,milktitties etc who when they hate something it’s bound to be common sense and in the individual taxpayers’ favour.

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  23. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    A morbid fascination, indeed….and exploited to collect more taxes for “excessive” speeding (4K over the limit).

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  24. tvb (4,205 comments) says:

    Please do not say this is because of ever more punitive road transport laws. Fewer deaths come from better cars safer roads and advances on medicine. Unitive laws are of marginal benefit in my view

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  25. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Manolo

    “Excessive speeding”.See my link above ,some 80% of fatalities occur under the speed limit!

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  26. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    We already spend too much on roads in the name of ‘safety’ and lowering the road toll. Cut back by a few hundred million and buys some warships instead.

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  27. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    krazykiwi 12:32 pm
    The biggest difference to the road toll would be a change in attitude …

    And (as we are not yet mature enough to self-police) you plan to police this … how?

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  28. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    … … which brings us back to my little boy, Andy.

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  29. MT_Tinman (2,990 comments) says:

    Having thought about this for, hell, at least five seconds I believe I can cut the road toll almost immediately and reduce dramatically the financial costs while doing so.

    Remove all airbags and other safety devices from the “driver” area of all cars and, at the owners’ expence fit a large (although short [3" - 4"] sharpened steel spike to the centre of the steering wheel and an angle iron bar, sharp side towards the driver, to the interior of the firewall at shin height.

    The road toll would fall to double figures in a year.

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  30. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    buys some warships instead

    Well the US is likely to suddenly have millions of assault rifles going real cheap, so why don’t we spend the road safety savings on buying protection for every citizen and make it illegal not to carry them fully loaded with you everywhere? That way if you see a car coming towards you, you can blast the tyres and make them miss. And if that doesn’t work you can kill the driver for being such an a-hole in the first place. If they did that, I bet the road toll would be around zero, since no-one is going to want to “accidentally” head for another car if they know they’re likely to get a few hundred bullets through the windscreen.

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  31. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Dotcom-

    Unless you’re a communist, the state’s role is to enforce the law, not shape the thinking of its citizens.

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  32. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    David Garrett points out:

    We have lots of cars, and are a very mobile people Most of us drive many more thousands of k’s a year than, for example, Europeans

    He’s right, and whether the number of ks driven by road users has increased or decreased over the period is just one of several important factors which need to be considered if trying to accurately ascertain whether driver performance has improved or deteriorated. And of course over the period DPF quotes we have had an increase in population, from 4,184,600 to 4,400,000, so on a deaths-per-100,000 population basis the results are extraordinarily good.

    Raw figures are meaningless for comparison, yet they’re trotted out by the dishonest police hierarchy year after year. Even the way in which deaths are classified as being part of the road toll renders an informed discussion about driver attituide and skill all but impossible, because as the story reports:

    Last night, the death of a 29-year-old man who was hit by a taxi whilst walking in Levin took the holiday road toll to five

    Too early to know for certain of course, but it seems that that death would have been due to excessive speed, or other form of driver error. Yet it’s handily added to the statistics that supposedly tell us what terrible drivers we are, which in turn will be bandied about as reason to fund more revenue-gathering apparatus.

    It’s just like their favourite bit of spin: “Speed was a factor in x fatalities” It may well have been. But were the tyres also bald and the brakes shot? Was the driver drunk? Was the road poorly designed? Did the other, non-speeding driver, make an error? Without this additional information, it’s about as meaningless as saying “wheels were a factor in 100% of all fatalities” yet it’s trotted out time and again and repeated by a media which seems to lack even the most basic knowledge of statistics.

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  33. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 1:36 pm
    the state’s role is to enforce the law

    Exactly what I said. Except I gave that enforcement a name. I called it Andy. But I can include police too for more precision.

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  34. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    In any case, I prefer to call it democracy. Through a democratic process, New Zealanders have adopted a Road Code.

    As we New Zealanders have shown an incredibly immature level of ability to comply with democratic processes, we have also decided in a democratic process to ask my little boy Andy, to help the less mature ones in our endevour.

    And the statistics show that my little boy Andy deserves a medal.

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  35. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Yeah, that “Speed Kills” slogan is so mind-numbingly alarmist. Last year I travelled 90,000kms at 850km/h (Flights) and a further 2,000km at 25km/h (Bike). I know where the greatest risk lies, and it’s got nothing, nada, zilch to do with speed.

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  36. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    See what I mean about that “maturity” thing.

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  37. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Dotcom – where did I suggest ‘self policing’? Strawman much? But ok, I’ll bite. Every time you drive you self police. So do I. Thanks for playing.

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  38. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “Exactly what I said. Except I gave that enforcement a name. I called it Andy.”

    Andy is “National Media Manager”.

    A state paid propagandist whose duty is to shape public minds.

    He is a disgusting commie rat.

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  39. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    Dotcom asks:

    And (as we are not yet mature enough to self-police) you plan to police this … how?

    You have a pretty poor opinion of your fellow New Zealanders, especially since Australians are certainly ready to police their own roads for stupid driver behaviour and report it to police as Today Tonight reported only last night. As the story, which showed several of bad driver behaviour reported by other motorists and captured on their cellphones, said:

    The New Year’s message is that even if the police don’t see you, chances are someone else will, and these days everyone has a camera handy.

    I’m sure the same thing happens in NZ, it’s just that – lame as they are – our MSM doesn’t see it as “news”.

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  40. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    … … and what was Krazykiwi saying not that long ago about the “attitude” thingy?

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  41. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 2:00 pm
    He is a disgusting commie rat

    Absolutely. A disgusting commie rat … … … … who saves lives. Thanks my little boy, Andy.

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  42. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Rex Widerstrom 2:02 pm
    You have a pretty poor opinion of your fellow New Zealanders

    Thanks for noticing.

    And as far as Australians are concerned. I don’t drive there, so ain’t my concern. Don’t vote there, don’t drive there.

    Vote here. Drive here. And Andy’s my man.

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  43. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Lowest two-year road toll ever. First time ever under 600 dead.

    Don’t mess with success.

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  44. Dexter (272 comments) says:

    Reduce the average speeds and get everyone traveling closer to a median and you will not only reduce accidents but the forces involved when they do happen.

    The problem of course arises in setting the appropriate speed and the poor drivers who can’t meet it or can’t drive without exceeding it.

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  45. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “who saves lives”

    Prove it.

    And when you’ve done that, tell me what sports coach you know helps his team perform better by destroying their self confidence?

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  46. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 2:11 pm
    “who saves lives” Prove it.

    You’re kidding me right.

    First time ever 2-year road toll under 600. Only a complete and utter idiot would fail to see this as your proof.

    Oh, did you fail to see the proof here, RB?

    Connect the dots. Or at least those who know how to connect dots .. .. .. ..

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  47. Judith (7,606 comments) says:

    What role does weather play in the figures?
    What role does availability and expertise to/of emergency and medical services play in the stats?

    Surely advances in medicine, better access to services etc, would contribute. Does anyone have the numbers of those injured, I’m sure that figure would be interesting.

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  48. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “Only a complete and utter idiot would fail to see this as your proof.”

    You’re a lawyer right?

    FFS..!!

    We know the toll is down, your task is to prove its down as a result of Andy’s brainwashing, and not other more realistic reasons.

    Like car design. Kilometres travelled, weather or a hundred other things it could be due to.

    NZ is full of little commies like Knackerless forcing us to provide them with a living, and harassing the fuck out of us at the same time, and all claiming to be indispensable when in fact we’d all get on better without them.

    …and definitely be richer.

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  49. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    I suspect one of the contributing factors to our declining road toll is the rising price of petrol.

    It is effectively taxing boy-racers and super-annuitants off the roads (both groups are over-represented in the road mortality statistics).

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  50. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    Interesting how many people blindly accept that reducing speed reduces accidents. Even if they’re not aware of the source of this, the message they’re being given derived mainly from several studies conducted after the US iuncreased speed limits on rural highways from 55 mph to 65 mph in the 80s. For instance the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (1988) estimated that this resulted in a 22% increase in road fatalities while Baum et al. (1990) put it at 26% to 29%.

    However when more sophisticated methods than simple counting highway deaths on the stretches of road with higher limits were deployed, the results were very different. A study by Lave and Elias (1994) suggested that the majority of studies only measured the local effect of the speed limit changes and did not take in to account ‘system-wide’ effects.

    They examined the system-wide impact, comparing those States that introduced the new speed limit with those that did not. They concluded that th 10 mph increase in the speed limit had actually resulted in a system wide reduction in fatality rates of between 3.4% and 5.1 %. As a Monash University review of the literature explains:

    They explained these results in terms of a number of factors, including, a shift in the number of drivers using the safer highways (attracted by the higher speed limits) as compared to less safe, more high risk secondary roads, a shift in enforcement resources from the higher speed highways to target more high risk behaviour on other secondary roads, and an overall reduction in speed variance as the slower drivers caught up with the speeders.

    They mention another study Hauer (as cited in Fildes and Lee, 1993) which concludes that:

    …on highways with both lower and upper speed limits, the lower limit can be two or three times more effective than the upper limit in reducing overtaking and accident involvement rates. [my emphasis]

    Monash is renowned for its willingness to provide data that will back police and government enforcement programs so they’re by no means advocates for rash driver behaviour, but their report concludes:

    Whereas the relationship between speed and accident severity is well understood the same cannot be said for the role of speed in accident causation.

    So the blunt message that “speed kills” promulgated by “Andy” and dishonest police (including, as noted by kowtow above, former Superintendent Paula Rose, who gets a gong for displaying an authoritarian attitude) has been disproved, yet is advanced and again to justify plundering motorists’ pockets. It’s unfortunate they’re not called on it every time they repeat, but unfortunately Automobile Associations the world over don’t seem to want to stand up for drivers on this particular issue.

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  51. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Some more stuff from dogandlemon

    http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/speed-cameras-a-waste-of-money

    http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/road-toll-proves-safety-strategy-isn-t-working

    http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/bad-roads-are-killing-innocent-motorists

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  52. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Andy’s mum must have left the building.

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  53. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    gump 2:27 pm
    It is effectively taxing super-annuitants off the roads (a group are over-represented in the road mortality statistics).

    What utter garbage. Superannuitants are the safest road user block of all, you ageist little prick. They also happen to be the block of people who paid for most of the roads that you want to speed on, and bowl over those oldies

    The paid for the roads for you to remove them from, did they, selfish greedy little prick.

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  54. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    RB, is is okay if I post on another thread. Are you so demanding of attention, you immature little brat, that you can’t handle my being absent from you for 10 minutes. You immature little cry-baby. Here, have my apron string to hold on to. You can suck on it too if it helps.

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  55. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Hmmm… time wasting waffle.

    I guess that means you can’t locate the proof right?

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  56. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    PS: Be careful what you say to Gump, he might get his rich and important Dad on to you.

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  57. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Proof done. But is is special proof. The dumb and sub-human can’t see through its disguise.

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  58. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Gump, did you really think that all those roads, were gifts of the gods.. .. .. that they just somehow .. .. appeared .. …

    You never once thought about us oldies actually paying for all those billions of dollars of roads that you use, did you. Not once.

    You were given a $150 licence, and you probably complained about how expensive the licence was.

    Never once did it occur to you that the $150 licence came with $3 billion dollars worth of roads attached to it. Roads that us oldies paid for.

    Never once thought if this, did you, when you told that last oldie to gtf off YOUR road, and out of YOUR way.

    Right?

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  59. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Well, that was easy.

    Complete and utter surrender in a few comments.

    That’s what happens when you allow your feelings as a Mum to override logic.

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  60. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Fool

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  61. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ‘What utter garbage. Superannuitants are the safest road user block of all,’

    Its well known the Tauranga City Council added more roundabouts to frustrate and discourage superannuitants from driving.

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  62. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ‘And yet speeds increase and traffic tax collectors still whinge and moan.’

    which is why police now raid drunk drivers homes harrassing them in their every day life.

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  63. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    This is why we’ve had a complete overtaking of our country so the state can get in our home as there is no such thing as private property. This is how water meters will be doing the job of the state in our homes and their rates will rise dramatically over time until home ownership will become nigh to impossible

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  64. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Sorry but my guru the dogandlemon states elderlies are not that safe.

    http://www.dogandlemon.com/media/elderly-motorists-need-alternatives-to-driving

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  65. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Too early to know for certain of course, but it seems that that death would have been due to excessive speed, or other form of driver error. Yet it’s handily added to the statistics that supposedly tell us what terrible drivers we are, which in turn will be bandied about as reason to fund more revenue-gathering apparatus.

    IIRC the report suggested that the ped was highly intoxicated and walking down the middle of the road. In dark clothing.

    The driver error would seem to extend only so far as being unlucky.

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  66. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Kowtow, might be your guru, but it is one person’s opinion. Out of curiosity, I read it thank you, but it is hardly scientific now is it? Looks like Redbaiter could’ve written it.

    In any case, the point was, that Gump above doesn’t like the poeple who paid for Gump’s roads, (nor does dog and lemon) actually being allowed to used the roads they paid for.

    Not fair. Would you like us to stop using piped water and sewerage as well, perhaps. We paid for the pipes as well, you know. Just because you young ones have chosen not to kept them maintained, not our fault.

    What about the power poles. Want to cut off our electricity too?

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  67. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    And of course those people who paid for Gump’s roads, Heaven help that the people who paid, have any input into what speed limit, and other rules should apply to them.

    We paid for the roads, but Gump wants to speed, so that’s that then. We oldies should walk (after all, we paid for the footpath as well, so we should damned-well use it — and Gump sure as hell isn’t going to use the footpath).

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  68. Dexter (272 comments) says:

    “which is why police now raid drunk drivers homes harrassing them in their every day life.”

    Explain.

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  69. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    IIRC the report suggested that the ped was highly intoxicated and walking down the middle of the road. In dark clothing. The driver error would seem to extend only so far as being unlucky.

    In cases like this I suggest the victim is the driver, and the one guilty of criminal neglect is the deceased pedestrian.

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  70. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    dotcom
    Don’t get your incontinence pads in a twist :)
    We all pay for the roads and everything else around us.In fact the way gummint is spending now debt goes way out to the future for “services “we have now, rather than back in time.Have an open mind and take a read of the other dogand lemon stuff. He’s not anti oldies,it’s good practical and scientifically proven stuff. He’s advocating sensible spending on road safety which would produce real results.That means more money for your old age pension mate,got to be a good thing!

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  71. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Thanks, kowtow, I stopped reading at inconti ..

    If you want your opinion to have value, you will confine your posts to common courtesy. Oh no you won’t, common courtesy is not how we show how incredibly clever we are on Kiwiblog.

    Best insult equals highest intelligence.

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  72. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    @Dotcom

    The two highest risk groups for road accidents in New Zealand are teenage males and elderly drivers. This isn’t my opinion, it’s a statistical fact.

    Given that these groups have relatively low incomes, it’s reasonable to surmise that increasing the price of petrol will reduce the miles travelled by both groups. So we should expect to see the increasing cost of petrol correlate with a decreasing road toll.

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  73. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    A sense of humour is very important in this world. Maybe you’re not as old as you pretend to be as you don’t seem to have learned that!
    the smiley icon was a hint!

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  74. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    People who know my commenting, know me as one of the funniest commenters going. Never though do I confuse humour with rancour, and then excuse myself by adding laughing in the recipient’s face on top of the original insult.

    Cleverest insult equals highest IQ, right?

    I’m off. So go on, here come the “Can’t take it, comments”. Can take it, choose not to participate in such rubbish.

    We paid for the original infrastructure, including the roads. We are entitled to be able to use them safely, just as much as you. We are just as entitled in a democratic process to have a say in what the rules are, and how the rules are policed. You don’t have the right to tell me to get out of your way, on what is also my road.

    You don’t have the right when I say these things, to label me incontinent (with or without a smiley). Do you say these things to your own grandparents. I suspect you actually might.

    the end.

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  75. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Dotcom

    If you want your opinion to have value, you will confine your posts to common courtesy

    Who made you sheriff , just asking ? You’ve fallen into the commmon trap that you seem to believe anyone gives a fuck about your opinions. The oft quotes ” opinons are like arseholes, everyone’s got one ” applies to you .Reality is you are boring as batshit .

    Narcissists and drunks are common here, you’re nothing special.

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  76. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    >the end.

    The best comment posted in 802 attempts.

    Good riddance.

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  77. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “which is why police now raid drunk drivers homes harrassing them in their every day life.”

    Explain.

    Story was in Waikato Times but taken down

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  78. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Can’t help myself…..

    Seeing as how he’s so funny and so old ,dotcom must be a contraction of “dotty comedian”…….I’ll get my coat……

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  79. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Dotcom hasn’t been on Kiwiblog for long, and thankfully has restricted his genius mainly to the Bain threads, but I can see him getting as popular as philu.

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  80. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    When people tell Dotcom that he is “funny”, presumably they mean peculiar.

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  81. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Speaking of road kill .. .. .. What is the difference between possum roadkill, and lawyer roadkill?

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  82. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    .. .. skid marks for the possums.

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  83. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Now don’t break your faces.

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  84. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Amzing that our sides haven’t split as we roll about on the floor in mirth after that reading that gem.

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  85. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Predictable, rodders.

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  86. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    It went over my head too, Rodders. Probably my lack of a Mensa-level intellect.

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  87. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    dotcom

    Skidmarks in your pads……no problem eh?

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  88. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    The elder gens are a danger to themselves as we younger generations don’t want to drop out of the flow of the road to accommodate them at their natural individual driving speed they feel comfortable at. So, at 50 we should stop driving.

    No one seems to understand that modern vehicles are too smooth, too relaxing to drive and before one knows it their speed has increased as their minds start to try to multitask in this apparent free time.

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  89. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Mike – Dotcom says he is a great legal hotshot? Probably a conveyancing clerk.

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  90. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    I think he probably has a master’s degree in some esoteric subject but cannot find a job that matches his self-esteem, so is living with his Mum in suburban Hamilton.

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  91. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Probably retired from all the comments here. Like connect the dots, peops.

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  92. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Der and der again

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  93. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Anyway, seems no-one wants to talk Road Toll any more, so back to David Bain.

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  94. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Isn’t it admirable how easily some people manage to multitask.

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  95. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    in some esoteric subject

    He’d have to go some way to top a PhD on the Alliance Party

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  96. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    It took me ages to follow different threads at the same time, but Dotcom picked it up straight away.

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  97. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Perhaps he’s done post-doctoral research on NZ First…

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  98. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    ^^ The youth wing perhaps?

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  99. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Here is a photo of NZ First on campus members gathering for a rally. Which one is Dotcom?
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/pensionPA2705_468x329.jpg

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  100. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Possums. The forgotten victims.

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  101. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Rodders (1,542) Says:
    January 2nd, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Making the driving experience into the couch experience takes ones awareness down, I get the distinctive feeling people don’t want to drive but want to be driven yet still be in control with thought alone while accessing content that is relative to the moment.

    Is there a significant number of drivers that disconnect while they are on the road? At what speed is a modern cars peak efficient speed? 50? 60kmph?

    Would it be better to construct our own autobahn for the apparent modern impatient drivers that seem to be out there these days?

    Drive down Ponsonby road in Auckland around 10am and you will find a crap load of 4wd suv’s that double park or the women that are driving them juggling coffee’s and their phones while driving. Amazing.

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  102. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    DVA

    Dragging us away from ourselves caught up in the cold impersonal world of statistics. Thank you. Pure gold

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  103. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    They braked for the possums, pilgrims (= skid marks).
    But they didn’t brake for the lawyers (= no skid marks).

    Der and derrer.

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  104. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Dotcom: Please tell me you are taking the piss…”We paid for the roads so ‘we’ can go on driving even when past it?” You cannot be serious…

    Someone has suggested you are a lawyer…if so, the only law school you could have a degree from is Waikato, and you are therefore nowhere near as old as you claim….

    but of course you are taking the piss….

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  105. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Did I say that, my dear friend David Garrett? Are you sure?

    Are you sure you, my dear friend David Garrett, are on solid ground here?

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  106. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    hinamanu at 3:19… I hope that’s true… too funny!!

    dotcom re oldies: They might not cause too many crashes but their driving style is a fucking pain in the arse. And there are a few bits and pieces in the news where the crash is only old age related…. including my personal favourite Harry Spencer. Forget the wrong side of the law… this old geriatric prick was driving on the wrong side of the fucking motorway for about 3 kms before oncoming metal stopped him. http://www.stuff.co.nz/537442/Wrong-way-terror-driver-keen-to-be-back-behind-wheel

    Keen to get back behind the wheel the old lunatic!! He’d be the only one mate.

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  107. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    The 2011/ 2012 road tolls are close enough to each other that it’s not likely of any great concern.

    Detailed stats for cause and effect analysis as comments say would be good.

    Road safety adverts are another good reason to turn the TV off in the breaks. Ghost chips and the white trash family? Fucking hell. The only one I ever liked was the one with the cuzzies and the drunk skunk grabs his guitar instead of car keys or something.

    As you know there’s a lot of fuckwits on planet earth…. 100s of millions. I can’t see anything ever getting through to them… it’s like putting water in a toaster and hoping for ice cubes… it’s just not possible.

    Dotcom… I don’t know what the fuck you are but you’re entertaining. You’re like….. Redbaiter funny. Ok, maybe not must read every word good like RB but not bad… hahahaha

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  108. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Trouble is LRC, that you want to talk about someone in England called Harry Spencer or whoever as being your “typical” example. How about applying your own mother or grandmother as your typical example. Call her or them fuckwits to their faces. Oh that’s right, you already do call you grandmother a fuckwit.

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  109. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    A whole generation, depersonalised from reality. This is your grandmother we are talking about here, not someone calling themselves some obscure fictional nickname of a make believe internet.

    Good luck for the 21st Century. I’m glad most of my life was lived in the 20th. You poor ignominious sods.

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  110. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    Did I say that, my dear friend David Garrett? Are you sure?

    My dear friend David Garrett, are you sure you’re on solid ground here?

    Are you there, David Garrett. I seem to have been misrepresented here. And you seem to have gone to ground.

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  111. Dotcom (1,386 comments) says:

    David Garrett, at 10.59 am, did you steal my identity, so that you could attach your words to it?

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  112. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Dotcom…..

    My own mother is in her mid 60s and it’s horribly painful being a passenger while she’s “driving”. She sits at every light that turns green for fuck sake. For ages. She’s developed that thing elderly drivers have of being completely incapable of knowing what other road users are doing around them.

    I see fuckin old people all the time pulling stunts like reversing without fucking looking etc.

    My grandmother who I’ve only met as an adult on one holiday in 2004… her driving was sort of ok for someone aged a million. Mind you…. in many ways she’s smarter than my mother. Iona Opie… you can look her up. She did have her car stolen after leaving the freakin keys in the ignition at home. They’re quite casual in small villages like Liss. She was actually ok. I shouted out and she braked to avoid an oncoming car on a one lane country intersection… and being picky you don’t need to rev a newish car like a 1970s Marina to get it started. It’ll catch with the key start alone as I demonstrated to her by starting the engine while standing outside the car and it caught instantly. That didn’t really sink in though. I might as well have been talking Swahili.

    Harry Spencer was driving up the Ngauranga Gorge in Wellington. NZ.

    Some old folks can still drive to test standard but there’s a fuckin shit ton of them that are useless slow old cunts… with that same moronic zombified gormless slow dried-up open-mouthed expressionless yawping look on their face while they cruise along everywhere at car park speed. And don’t indicate. Or indicate for no reason. Or stop for no reason. Or brake for no reason. Or refuse to take grand canyon sized gaps in traffic. How long have you got man? I don’t know how they pass the old age re-sits. They do all kinds of crazy shit. I’m sure I’ve seen most of their favourite tricks before so I’m not too worried. I’m on two wheels so I just drive past the dicks if they get in my way.

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