A total advertising ban!

February 12th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Martin Johnston at NZ Herald reports:

The liquor industry must be shut out of policy-making and implementation, to prevent manufacturers from undermining efforts to reduce the harms of , says an international grouping of public health specialists.

I’ve observed there tend to be two types of public health lobbyists. The zealots tend to regard their work as a holy crusade and the industry they specialise in as the enemy. They get focused more on attacking the industry rather than the merits of specific initiatives.

Do not engage commercial or vested interest groups, or their representatives, in discussion on the development of alcohol policy.

yes the zealots think Governments should not even talk to or engage with businesses that will be impacted by Government decisions. They are saying the only people the Government should listen to are themselves. And you know what – I guarantee you they are all being funded by taxpayers so they can lobby Governments with their own money!

The authors of the statement of concern say voluntary codes were often violated and a complete ban on alcohol promotion was preferable.

Nice to have the agenda out there. This means no happy hours, no Tui billboards, no online Wine retailers, no sports sponsorships, no advertising etc.

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26 Responses to “A total advertising ban!”

  1. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Zealots, bigots, alcohol nazis!

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  2. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    The tobacco industry warned this would be next if we went down this line, they weren’t wrong.

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  3. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    [Referring to the NZ members of this and like groups...]

    So basically they think its ok to take my money and tell me what I can spend what I have left on? You sure it’s not the Labour or Greens policy groups using another name?

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  4. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,068 comments) says:

    In a world without Tui billboards the living would envy the dead.

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  5. Mark (1,480 comments) says:

    That we have binge drinking problem with some peoplein our society is self evident. a total ban on advertising alcohol is not the answer to that.People who want to get pissed do not rely on Bill Boards for motivation. However we do have to have some thought given to how to address binge drinkers and not just wave it off as young peoples right if passage.

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,101 comments) says:

    No Tui billboards.

    I’m imagining it now.

    They should have sent a poet.

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  7. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Next it will be the fatties. This shit just got real.
    Actually I would be more than happy for all the advertising to be banned if all these tax payer funded shriekers were banned at the same time.
    Tens of millions a year to the anti-smoking industry. Ditto booze, burgers, driving, rare birds, poor brown people, wimmin.
    Imagine a world without cardigan wearing zealots declaring end of days every time somebody bought a sugary drink.
    We live in a world where the government pays legions of felchers to shout at us.

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  8. Alfred (52 comments) says:

    Looks like the anti-booze nazis have learnt some lessons from the anti-tobacco nazis. Shut out an industry from govt policy discussions, ban advertising, and point of sale merchandise, attack the industry etc etc.

    Can’t wait for these fuckers to call for plain packaging on alcohol products and then see a multi-million dollar ad campaign against the proposal by the booze barons.

    Silly fuckers (booze industry) should have seen this coming and taken lessons from the tobacco industry. But hell no, they’re too arrogant and no doubt thought this would never happen to them.

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  9. flipper (3,985 comments) says:

    One Sally Caswell, who once was based at AU, and is now at Massey, is one of the leaders in this. Probably that idiot Selwood from OU is also involved.

    Caswell, rather like the zealots Trevor Young (now deceased) from the Alliance (later Labour MP for Hutt) in Lower Hutt (years ago) and, more recently, Hamilton’s Cliff Turner (GOAL – he and his wife formed GOAL, the Group Against Advertising Liquor. Their membership was TWO.), has been at it for years.

    One of the real problems is that the Herald and most MSM have lost all institutional memory.

    That said, anything backed by Caswell and Selwood should dismissed without debate. It is simply regurgitated crap.

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  10. Scott Chris (6,060 comments) says:

    No Tui Billboards? Yeah right. (what, with Dunne and Co championing their industry’s cause)

    But for the record, I’d quite like to see an alcohol advertising ban – on the other hand, I’d like to see all drugs legalized and properly regulated – which would mean no public displays – including alcohol.

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  11. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    According to these half wits logic cars would fit into this category as well.
    Some people drive them dangerously, most don’t. People die as a result
    Ban advertising of cars, then ban cars.

    Otherwise you are promoting death machines, you want babies killed… bastard.

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  12. Psycho Milt (2,411 comments) says:

    We live in a world where the government pays legions of felchers to shout at us.

    An excellent and concise summing up, however I have one change to suggest: we live in a world in which the government uses our money to pay legions of felchers to shout at us.

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  13. scrubone (3,095 comments) says:

    Remind me: back when there was no TV advertising for alcohol, were billboards allowed?

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  14. scrubone (3,095 comments) says:

    Some people drive them dangerously, most don’t. People die as a result
    Ban advertising of cars, then ban cars.

    They banned smacking on pretty much the same logic.

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  15. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Oh the National Labour Lite will sign up for this. They are signing up for every other useless thing so why not.

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  16. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    There was a discussion on Q&A in Australia last night about the increasing amount of gambling advertising while sport is on. I had a thought (and it wasn’t discussed on the program) that it used to be alcohol ads, and before that it was tobacco.
    Australian cricket on TV is sponsored by KFC and Bet365.com. Health nazis would ban that. Then some other vice would sponsor it, and I’m sure they’d ban that too.

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  17. marcw (243 comments) says:

    No gazz, their logical conclusion would be to ban sport.

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  18. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    I live in the Bundaberg region in QLD.

    The place is littered with Bundaberg Rum advertising. Trucks, Buildings etc.

    Bundaberg is only known for Bundaberg Rum – and is called in COUNCIL ADVERTISING as RUM CITY.

    Law and order, domestic violence, A&E at the hospital, Liver & Kidney wards at the hospital, unemployment, divorce – you FUCKEN name it – are no where WORSE than anywhere else. Infact, the police could NEVER argue that alcohol related crime is anywhere near as bad as places like the Gold Coast or Fortitude Valley in Brisbane. The reason – because thousands of youths DON’T congregate in Bundaberg.

    That said – the ONLY effect Bundaberg Rum advertising has, is that IF people choose to drink spirits or RTD’s – they are INCLINED to drink Bundy Rum before other spirits!

    The anti-advertising arguement is like PISSING INTO THE WIND! :cool:

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  19. alwyn (417 comments) says:

    But, but, but. As I understand it

    The public health groups have no personal agenda and are interested only in the betterment of their community.
    Yeah Right

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  20. mpledger (425 comments) says:

    Yea, the health groups are going to make millions stopping alcohol adverts and the alcohol advertisers do it as a loss making venture to provide an information service.

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  21. Scott Chris (6,060 comments) says:

    According to these half wits logic cars would fit into this category as well.

    Irrelevant comparison. Firstly, a car is a useful tool. Its merits arguably outweigh its drawbacks. Secondly, a car is not an addictive substance.

    Ban advertising of cars, then ban cars.

    Who said anything about banning alcohol? Only an idiot would consider that option. Your freedom to consume alcohol wouldn’t be curbed in any way if the advertising of were to be banned. Not a big sacrifice really for the overall good of society.

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  22. Naturesong (23 comments) says:

    Seems many of the posters here either didn’t read the article, or didn’t understand it.

    The liquor industry must be shut out of alcohol policy-making and implementation, to prevent manufacturers from undermining efforts to reduce the harms of alcohol, says an international grouping of public health specialists.

    The alcohol industry’s business is making money through the sale of alcohol.
    Global Alcohol Policy Alliance is a network of non-government organizations and people working in public health agencies who share information on alcohol issues and advocate evidence-based alcohol policies.

    Attempting to mitigate the harm alcohol causes to communities through public policy is understandably seen as a threat to the bottom line of many in the alcohol industry, and is in their best interest to insert themselves into the policy making process.

    It seems a no brainer to remove the alcohol industry from these policy discussions as there is a clear conflict of interest

    So why not discuss the following:
    Is it the role of government to enact policy which attempts to mitigate harm to it’s citizens?
    If they do so, are the policies actually effective?
    If they are effective, how effective are they, and what are the ramifications?
    – is it likely to reduce drunk driving?
    – effect on incidence of domestic violence
    – alcohol related injuries, will it result in less pressure on AE dept’s of public hospitals?
    – etc, etc

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  23. edhunter (538 comments) says:

    This was inevitable as night following day, and after alcohol there’ll be another bandwagon ready & waiting for them to jump on. The problem is the MSM continually give them oxygen & show them in the most sympathetic light they can muster, basically boo evil money grabbing corporation vs the yay ‘oh wont someone please think about the children’ wringing heart brigade.
    Not until they try introducing a ban on the torturing of women..i.e. the waxing & shaving of body parts & wearing of high heels ( a cruel and unusal punishment indoctrined into girls at a very young age IT MUST STOP) will at least 50% of the population be angry & motivated enough to start marching & carrying signs.

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  24. notforsale (6 comments) says:

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic

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  25. chris (644 comments) says:

    Bundaberg is only known for Bundaberg Rum

    Rubbish. It’s also known for making very fine ginger beer :)

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  26. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    I just gave up.

    Oh hang about, I just typed that while another beer was planted in front of me.

    OK, I will give up :)

    Professor Sally can stick it in her ear and get stuffed – Socialist Control Freak – get a real job mustang sally

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