General Debate 16 February 2013

February 16th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    Well what a day.

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  2. toms (301 comments) says:

    It seems the vandal chosen by John Key and co to manage the near destruction of your armed forces – a man now with literally blood on his hands is – roll of drums, envelope please-

    Roderick Deane.

    Colour me surprised. Has any one man done more destruction to New Zealand since the demise of a certain wannabe Viennese artist? How he isn’t languishing in a traitor’s cell is beyond me.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865764

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865707

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  3. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    The Black Caps lost again!!!!
    Mayhem in Auckland as usual. Murder most fowl!
    National appoints another useless MP.
    National buries its head in the sand bag as the dollar hits great highs.
    Dunne has banned nearly anything put in front of his nose and breaks the Law he wrote whilst doing so.
    Manufacturing going broke so we can buy cheaper TV’s.

    All a bit sad really as more Kiwi’s leave for the lucky country.

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  4. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    How long will it be before someone blames the cosmic shower in russia on global warming…………

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  5. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    The housing market has been improving for a while now.
    Retail sales look like they are going up.
    The Christchurch rebuild is cranking up.

    This is all tentative hope for National’s chances in the next election. There will be many factors in deciding the election, how much National stuff up, how Shearer and Labour look, whether Winston survives, coalition support parties, Green credibility, Mom floats etc.

    But there are three critical things for National’s chances of staying in Government:
    1. Economy
    2. Unemployment
    3. Economy

    Improvement in economic indicators and National’s re-election chances

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  6. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    barry (1,200) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    How long will it be before someone blames the cosmic shower in russia on global warming…………

    Yesterday and apparently itys not to do with the big fella coming.

    Sky fairies excluded.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,120 comments) says:

    Nike is having a pretty tough run with the athletes it sponsors; Woods, Armstrong, and now the Pistorius “I am the bullet…” campaign gets pulled…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/photo-of-day-16-february-2013.html

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  8. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    barry (1,200) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:15 am
    How long will it be before someone blames the cosmic shower in russia on global warming…………

    barry, don’t be silly. AGW supporters are all about the “science” ;)

    CNN anchor suggests meteor hurtling toward Earth could be a result of global warming

    A CNN anchor has asked on live television whether a meteor hurtling past Earth was the result of global warming.
    Deborah Feyeric made the faux pas when she transitioned from a discussion about global warming and the blizzard that struck to east coast into a a segment about Asteroid 2012 DA14 – which is projected to pass just 17,200 miles from Earth on Friday.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277529/CNN-anchor-suggests-meteor-hurtling-Earth-result-global-warming.html#ixzz2Kzu56bUS
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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  9. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Viking…..

    Well there have already been people predicting a ‘papocalypse’ due to the Pope resigning – maybe the big fella has sent a message to us – a meteor and a asteroid all in the same day – frightening….

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  10. Judith (7,696 comments) says:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/128195/police-warn-against-porn-site-scam

    “Netsafe executive director Martin Cocker says porn site users are commonly targetted by scammers.”

    I wonder why? Is there something about the intelligence of porn site users that makes them ‘easy targets’?

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  11. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    So Pete its all sweetness and light in your opinion and the opinion of those that never manufacture or build anything. What do you want left in NZ.
    Lawyers Accountants politicans beneficiaries and more immigrants to bolster our maunfacturing once we have driven out Kiwi’s who want to do just that.
    Stupid.

    The high dollar meant he was effectively giving his employees 18 per cent more pay, but they could not buy any more for it. There was no gain from it in New Zealand, he says.

    Contex Engineering managing director Brian Willoughby is bewildered by business commentators cheering the rebuild as a way to soak up the unemployed and underworked. All he sees is a looming boom and bust – one to end all the others that make up the routine legacy of the construction industry.

    At a US70 cent exchange rate he can make a comfortable 8 per cent profit, but a gain of 10 cents cuts that to 2 per cent and at 83 cents it’s almost nothing.

    It’s a Kiwi tradition to wave goodbye to such companies after foreign buyouts and watch the jobs leak and then gush overseas.

    “I’m watching the slow demise of our industry as people like myself head towards retirement age. The advice you get is: ‘sell and walk away’. There has to be a better way . . .”

    He fears his company will be end up bought by an overseas manufacturer and the work moved overseas.

    But he sees the nation as the potential loser. An engineering graduate with a masters in business from Stanford University and an entrepreneurial spirit – if things went belly up he was confident of getting a well-paid job overseas.

    But New Zealand’s welfare system would have another 200 families to feed and house. And GDP would take another papercut.

    “We’re the sort of people we want in New Zealand. The type of people we want to bring back to invest in businesses that can increase the standard of living.”

    Excerts from here. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/rebuilding-christchurch/8312083/Manufacturers-tell-of-doing-hard-yards

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  12. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    NZ accent:

    All languages change across time?

    Or is NZ simply turning into a nation of ignorant sounding peasant classes?

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  13. Judith (7,696 comments) says:

    barry (1,201) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:26 am
    —————————–

    That’s bound to be the answer – not global warming after all.
    However it is not like such divine intervention to at least take out a couple of hundred lives.

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  14. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    barry (1,201) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Viking…..

    Well there have already been people predicting a ‘papocalypse’ due to the Pope resigning – maybe the big fella has sent a message to us – a meteor and a asteroid all in the same day – frightening….

    ———–
    You forgot to mention the thunderbolt that apparently hit the Bascillica on the same day.
    Of course it was photoshopped.

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  15. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    The problem here is that China has a 50-year plan, we have a three-year electoral cycle and a feeling that supporting your manufacturing base is somehow cheating.

    (as does Singapore)

    Only one in 10 Kiwis workers are involved in exporting, the result of decades of inaction from both sides of the House, he says.

    “We’ve given up on the pollies,” he tells the manufacturing inquiry MPs. Not one of them bats an eyelid.

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Fran O’ Sullivan nails it this morning in her column regarding Prosser. ‘ He is a Member of Parliament. We should expect better.

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  17. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    graham commented in ‘The nature of bigotry’ post:

    Regarding BeaB’s comment that we are giving Muslims more equality, freedoms etc than anyone else.

    The pedant in me says it’s a bit difficult to give one person “more equality” than someone else. :)

    But more freedoms. Hmm. One case I remember was the court case in 2004 where the defence objected to two Muslim women wearing the burqa whilst giving evidence as Crown witnesses. The judge called for submissions on the matter and ultimately decided to allow screens to be used to ensure that only the judge, counsel and female court staff were able to observe the witness’ face. I wonder if anybody else would get away with that?

    Is that “religious tolerance and understanding”, or is it altering New Zealand’s court systems to accommodate immigrants?

    And…

    Muslims are protected in New Zealand, at least in one regard. See my comment at 12:34. A judge allowed screens to be used in court to ensure that only the judge, counsel and female court staff were able to observe a Muslim witness’ face, when they objected to removing their burqa. I imagine that is now a legal precedent.

    I’m going to do a blog post on this but first I’m seeking feedback on whether the facts are correct here and if there is any evidence to back it up. I’ve seen court information that doesn’t back it up.

    (Note that personally I don’t think one religious group should have special rights in court).

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  18. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    sad fluff piece:

    On my run, one house keeps bunnies. They go wherever they want to and they’d run off as I went past the place etc.

    Then early one morning run (3am?) one bunny was alive but not moving and in the middle of the lane. I kept running but it shook me. Another 200m later I had a wee cry because it upset me.

    As I ran back someone had put the bunny in the gutter.

    A cat was curiously hanging off the bunny on lap two. I was on the other side of the street this time.

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  19. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    Bunnies are fun
    When you shoot them they do the most amazing back flips :lol:
    Get a life left right and anorexic
    You should have stomped the vermin like a good kiwi not go all crybaby about bunykins

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  20. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    You might be saying… what was the point of that bullshit?

    The point being… there’s so many fucking retards in this fucking country… don’t keep pets that are obviously going to get run over, which is what I’ve been thinking every time I see them.

    And then wouldn’t you know it… I’m the one that has to see the poor animal dying in the fucking street as I’m running… not these moronic cunts lying in their beds in their fucking house….

    Yeah… I felt like grabbing the thing and smashing on their door and saying ‘hey, morons- here’s ya bunny. Found it dying in the street’. I can’t be bothered dealing with idiots so fuck it. Not my problem.

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  21. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I wonder why? Is there something about the intelligence of porn site users that makes them ‘easy targets’?

    Judith, I think you will find that those people with a normal healthy interest in sex are less likely to get themselves into trouble. The problems tend to be with those who see sex as sinful or dirty. Catholic priests, the deeply religious and people who bang on about sexual morality are prime targets and tend to have deviate sexuality. Of course you will know that, if you follow the news.

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  22. Keeping Stock (10,120 comments) says:

    @ Pauleastbay – “should” is the operative word. Unfortunately MMP has ensured that we are stuck with a half a House full of List MP’s who serve solely at the pleasure of the parties they are lobby-fodder for, and have no public electoral accountability.

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  23. Judith (7,696 comments) says:

    Kea (2,096) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Of course you will know that, if you follow the news.

    Or have brothers who were choir boys! ;-)

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  24. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    There’s only one vermin I’d like to stomp moron…..

    Any idea who that might be?

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  25. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff (4,252) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:53 am
    Bunnies are fun
    When you shoot them they do the most amazing back flips
    Get a life left right and anorexic
    You should have stomped the vermin like a good kiwi not go all crybaby about bunykins

    Griff Hates Bunny Rabbits !!!

    What is the matter Griff, did some kids bunny rabbit get into your organic vege patch and scoff all your lettuce ?

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  26. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (3,292) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Fran O’ Sullivan nails it this morning in her column regarding Prosser. ‘ He is a Member of Parliament. We should expect better.

    Question WHY?

    They have no job description.
    They have no reponsibilities to anyone other than the Party.
    They are hand picked by the powerful in every party so that they are compliant with the power brokers. All of them from Key to whoever in each party.
    They are dispensible by the party if it suits. May not leave parliament but nonethe less expendable.

    The problem with MMP in not the system but accountablility of the users of the system. Fix that and we will be better off.
    And for KS first past the post was worse.

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  27. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, running at 3am !

    What’s with that ?

    I am about to have another coffee before heading up the hill. I consider 10am even a bit early. I used to often see bunny rabbits on this run, but Griff killed them all.

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  28. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    You would not wont to stomp poor Griffy left right and around the bend
    He’s cute , fluffy and a bit feral as well.
    Wouldn’t that go against you previous defense of cute fluffy animals? :wink:

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  29. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Kea (2,098) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    re CNN comments…….

    I was being flipant —- obviously there are some seriously unhinged people at CNN

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  30. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    barry, AGW supporters are “seriously unhinged people” generally, and the Communist News Network is full of them.

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  31. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    Hey, at least you got one out of three right. That’s better %s than your climate change ‘facts’.

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  32. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, running at 3am !

    What’s with that ?

    When you’re not working- you can throw away the clock.

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  33. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    Five Broken Things at The Standard.

    That’s misleading, there is actually a very good post about reforming the tax and welfare systems, something that’s been talked about here too.

    And a surprising bit of rightie support from quite leftie Colonial Viper:

    “While locally there is the story of a farmer who owned properties worth tens of millions presenting a Community Services Card. The left has long denounced this kind of gross unfairness.”

    You’ll find that a lot of National voters absolutely hate situations like this with a vengeance too, and would support it being stamped out asap. A typical example would be a corporate manager on a good salary, say $150K pa, putting two kids through university, and having to put in a substantial sum of money for both childrens week to week expenses flatting in another town.

    Yet his farmer mate, whom he knows is considerably better off than him in both wealth and income, well the farmers kids get $1600 in student allowances per month in total, while his own kids get zip.

    Abuse of benefits and allowances pisses many people off across the spectrum.

    And Redlogix has responded:

    Yes … that’s exactly what happened. Which indeed is how I got to hear the story in the first place. I didn’t intend for it to be read as an ‘anti-farmer’ line… merely an example of how those with capital have opportunities to squirm through loop-holes that should not be there.

    I highlight things I disagree with at The Standard but there is plenty I can agree with as well.

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  34. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, show some understanding.

    Griff is a frail, pallid, vegan. Fluffy little bunny rabbits are a very real physical threat to Griff and may over power him.

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  35. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Woman arrested for opposing
    surveillance device placed in her home

    Jennifer Stahl has been a strong advocate against the smart meter program in Naperville, Ill., for the last two years. The issue came to a head Wednesday afternoon when she was arrested while refusing to let the utility workers install the controversial device.

    “I was protecting my property,” Stahl said in an interview with TheBlaze Thursday afternoon. “I felt my emotion was like a momma bear protecting her babies.”

    Stahl was at a friend’s house when she received the call from her husband that the utility workers had arrived. She was home within 15 minutes and saw they were at a neighbor’s house. Her neighbors were not home, but they had signs stating they did not permit the new meter to be installed.

    Stahl said she waited on her porch for the workers to arrive at her house. When they did, she refused them access to her backyard through her locked gate. The police � including the police supervisor, a sergeant� were called. Stahl said the sergeant explained the workers had authorization to access the meter, but Stahl stood her ground saying she didn’t approve it. The sergeant continued to try and convince Stahl to comply and said if she didn’t, he’d arrest her.

    “The city has always had and maintains the right to access our equipment, and today we were simply exercising that right,” City Manager Doug Kreiger told the Chicago Tribune, which reported Wednesday’s events.

    The lock on Stahl’s fence was cut, and when Stahl wouldn’t step away from the meter, she was lead away by an officer, cuffed and waited for a marked squad car to arrive to take her to the department. When asked why she was being arrested, she was told it was for interfering with a police officer.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-surveillance-state/protect-your-property-go-to-jail-.html

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  36. Jack5 (4,610 comments) says:

    ANNOUNCING

    A third boxing match in the para-olympic series between Possum Pete and Angry Andrei. This will be of 10 or 12 rounds under full professional rules.

    This is a match of two fighters who have overcome tremendous personal difficulties.

    Possum Pete, from Dunn-edin, of course takes his name from the leader of the party he has campaigned for, Possum Pete Dunne, he of the magnificent hair piece.

    In the reddish corner, Pete, who fights with a light but persistent left jab, has battled chronic bloggitis to make the weight and fitness requirements. He has been known to be stuck to his computer for 20 hours filing more than a hundred posts, refusing food and taking only a rare sip of water. He’s even been known to shoplift other blogs to collect posts for his own little blog. This is the most severe stage of bloggitis. So bad is Pete’s bloggitis, that the Otago Medical School is using him for its research into whether bloggitis could be a new hereditary disorder. Pete lives with a severe handicap. By George he does.

    In the blueish corner, Andrei is the posters’ poster of Anger Mismanagement. He is wild about Kosovo, the Caucasus, the Crusades – everywhere the militant Islam mob fight. Known in the ring for his right cross, Andrei was recently diagnosed with Islam Envyitis. This manifest itself in serious anger first about some men being allowed four wives and an eternity supplied with 40 ever young beautiful and sexy women. However, the worst symptom is root-tinitis, the perpetual drumming he hears of the ticking biological clocks in middle-aged journalists in the MSM. A few people sometimes hear this in the electronic media, such as Radio New Zealand, but Andrei swears he hears it relentlessly. He also detects the beat also in the written words of Fairfax and the Herald. He says picks it up as a dah-dah-dit-dit-dit that translates into someone shouting at readers “angry old white men”.

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  37. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Lawyers should never ask feisty grandmothers a question if they aren’t prepared for the answer.

    In a trial, a Southern small-town prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grandmotherly, elderly woman to the stand. He approached her and asked, ‘Mrs. Jones, do you know me?’ She responded, ‘Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Williams. I’ve known you since you were a boy, and frankly, you’ve been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you’re a big shot when you haven’t the brains to realize you’ll never amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you.’

    The lawyer was stunned. Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, ‘Mrs. Jones, do you know the defense attorney?’

    She again replied, ‘Why yes, I do. I’ve known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too. He’s lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem. He can’t build a normal relationship with anyone, and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women. One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him.’

    The defense attorney nearly died.

    The judge asked both lawyers to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, whispered…

    ‘If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I’ll send you both to the electric chair. :)

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  38. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Maybe Griff can team up with Gareth Morgan and launch a campaign to kill Kids pet Kittens & Bunny Rabbits.

    You should have stomped the vermin like a good kiwi not go all crybaby about bunykins [Griff]

    I am confident Griff can get funding for his Kitten stomping, by linking these vermin to AGW :)

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  39. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    You’re on a roll mate. Where is he? No new material no new jokes… can’t have that!! Too funny….

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  40. Jack5 (4,610 comments) says:

    Update on my 9.29 post about the Pete George v. Andrei bout…

    A medical school researcher just phoned to say that they now suspect Pete’s problem may partly stem from thinning hair possibly rulling him out as a future candidate for Possum Pete Dunne’s United future.

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  41. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    Haven’t the window lickers noticed yet?
    They are the joke.

    We have a grown man crying over bunnies
    and someone that believes in a global conspiracy by all major scientific organizations and governments.

    :lol:

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  42. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Graphic imagery of the meteor passing Earth right now

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  43. graham (2,216 comments) says:

    Pete George at 8:39 am

    I obtained my information -

    1. From the Human Rights Commission website.

    The growth of non-Christian religions in New Zealand has challenged employers, government agencies, schools and the community to accommodate religious diversity. There was considerable public and media attention in 2004 to a court case in Auckland where the defence objected to two Muslim women wearing the burqa (covering their faces except for their eyes) whilst giving evidence as Crown witnesses. The judge called for submissions on the matter and ultimately decided to allow screens to be used to ensure that only the judge, counsel and female court staff were able to observe the witness’ face.

    http://www.hrc.co.nz/race-relations/annual-review-of-race-relations/religious-diversity-in-new-zealand

    2. From a Victoria University Faculty of Law report “COVERING ISLAM – BURQA AND HIJAB: LIMITS TO THE HUMAN RIGHT TO RELIGION”

    In the Auckland District Court on 17 January 2005, a New Zealand judge, Lindsay Moore, ruled that two Muslim women, originally from Afghanistan, would have to remove their burqas, fullface and body veils, and show their
    faces as witnesses in a case of insurance fraud. As a concession to their religious beliefs, and out of respect for their customs, and so that their ‘modesty’ might be maintained, however, they will be permitted when giving evidence to wear headscarves and be behind a screen shielded from the general public and the defendant.

    http://www.victoria.ac.nz/law/centres/nzcpl/publications/human-rights-research-journal/publications/vol-2/Morris.pdf

    I assumed that both these sources would be accurate, but if you wish to prove that those sources have their facts wrong knock yourself out.

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  44. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    The problem here is that China has a 50-year plan

    If you mean it’s a problem for the Chinese then you’d be right.

    The history of such official plans is absolutely disastrous.

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  45. Manolo (13,401 comments) says:

    What an experience to go through…..from afar: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/15/injuries-reported-after-meteorite-falls-in-russia-ural-mountains/

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    What are you saying Griff- grown men don’t cry?

    We have a grown man crying over bunnies

    It was sad, yeah. I cried. Yep… what’s the problem?

    Keep on typing that as many times as you need to….. shout it from the rooftops….

    I have a penis…. and sad things can make me want to cry…. holy shit!!

    I think you’re confusing tears with weakness.. as in weak-minded fucktards that post endlessly about pointless shit like their one boring fuckin barrow they push up and down this blog endlessly like an IHC retard showing everyone what they got given by their carer today.

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  47. kowtow (7,656 comments) says:

    Pete George Muslims are a special category in New Zealand.

    The Greens motion says so,and all the muppets agreed.

    “…..all NZers regardless etc……..,in particular of Muslims…….”

    So all New Zealanders are equal etc,but Muslim New Zealanders are particularly equal etc.

    Can in particular and equal be reconciled?

    When two men can be said to be married by this same parliament of muppets ,then anything is possible.

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

    Orwell’s warning related to the extreme left but now it appears all parties subscribe to that same extreme philosophy.At least in social relationships.

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  48. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Why didn’t you pick the damn thing up and take it home for the cat?

    Wild rabbits get the boot just like old two moons whenever i see them but peoples pets, that’s generally sad but good for the cat.

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  49. Manolo (13,401 comments) says:

    NZ is a bloody, bloody joke: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8311950/Killer-avoided-jail-for-similar-attack
    This animal will be free in a few years ready to maim and kill more people.

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  50. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    Azeraph-

    I love cats but I don’t have one now. It’s not mine to take either. Belongs to someone else.

    And on top of that… I’m a fuckin townie- I don’t know shit about serving up roadkill to a pet cat.

    My cats would’ve said fuck off- it didn’t come out of a tin. They were townie cats- trust me.

    And yeah- you run over a wild rabbit… um… that’s no problem. And don’t try to avoid them either as I’ve tried to before… they’re dumbfucks and zig zag straight under a wheel no matter what you do.

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  51. Keeping Stock (10,120 comments) says:

    Viking2 said

    And for KS first past the post was worse.

    You reckon? Granted; the occasional loose unit got through on the coat-tails of a swing in either direction, but they generally got the DCM at the next election.

    Look at the Greens and NZF; the public has no say whatsoever on who gets what place on the list, and once they’re in, they put down roots like oxalis, and you’re stuck with them forever. Look at Gareth Hughes for example; he will never win an electoral contest, but he has a job paying $145k plus perks for as long as it suits him.

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  52. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    Arctic ice is increasing quickly and is within one standard deviation of the mean, meaning that it is, by definition, not an outlier compared with historical levels:

    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

    Antarctic ice is around record levels:

    http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-record-for-most-ice-on-this-day/

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  53. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Senator Asks The Most Obvious Question Ever And Stumps A Bunch Of Bank Regulators

    At 1:20, she asks the question we’ve all been wanting someone to ask FOREVER. Then a government lawyer stumbles over his words.
    At 2:20, she rattles off another one. Then a government lawyer stumbles over his words.
    At 2:55, she asks another lawyer the same question. Said lawyer then tries to not stumble over her words.
    At 3:25, she asks the same question again. That lawyer asks for some time.
    At 3:45, she gets our back and goes for the knockout punch.
    And then right after that you reward her good behavior by sharing this with everyone on the Internet. You know you want to.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/senator-asks-the-most-obvious-question-ever-and-stumps-a-bunch-of-bank-regulators-video/

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  54. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    KS. agree but then some really ferral pricks managed to last the distance under fpp. Muldoon for a start.
    As I said in the post there is a lack of accountability by list Mp’s.
    Remove their accountability to the power brokers (a feature also used under FPP), and we will have a much better system. Just because we don’t like say, the Greens or Mana, doesn’t mean that others think the same way. And others are surely entitled to be represented as they can be under MMP.

    That seems perfectly fair to me.

    For myself and many others though we actually do not have a representative. Act, under Banks doesn’t fit the bill and National certainly don’t. Labour ain’t an option and NZF? Not really but I will say that collectively there is some individual policy that each represents that we can agree with.

    Lockwood Smith and Rodney are the two that came closest to the sort of things I believe.

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  55. Manolo (13,401 comments) says:

    Heart-breaking sincerity: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-problem-i-m-not-emperor-united-states_701295.html

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  56. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    SPAIN STUDY CONFIRMS CANNABIS OIL CURES CANCER WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS

    By Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

    The medical science is strongly in favor of THC laden hemp oil as a primary cancer therapy, not just in a supportive role to control the side effects of chemotherapy. The International Medical Verities Association is putting hemp oil on its cancer protocol. It is a prioritized protocol list whose top five items are magnesium chloride, iodine, selenium, Alpha Lipoic Acid and sodium bicarbonate. It makes perfect sense to drop hemp oil right into the middle of this nutritional crossfire of anti cancer medicines, which are all available without prescription.

    Hemp oil has long been recognized as one of the most versatile and beneficial substances known to man. Derived from hemp seeds (a member of the achene family of fruits) it has been regarded as a superfood due to its high essential fatty acid content and the unique ratio of omega3 to omega6 and gamma linolenic acid (GLA) – 2:5:1. Hemp oil, is known to contain up to 5% of pure GLA, a much higher concentration than any other plant, even higher than spirulina. For thousands of years, the hemp plant has been used in elixirs and medicinal teas because of its healing properties and now medical science is zeroing in on the properties of its active substances.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/spain-study-confirms-cannabis-oil-cures-cancer-without-side-effects/

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  57. Scott Chris (5,896 comments) says:

    CNN anchor suggests meteor hurtling toward Earth could be a result of global warming

    She was kidding ya twit. Obviously the irony in her joke quesion ” ….is this a result of global warming or is this another meteoric occasion…” went completely over your terminally softened head.

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  58. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    wat dabney
    Every winter it happens in the arctic it freezers.
    you were posting the same old rubbish last year.
    Remember you posting that arctic ice was above normal last year in winter. it certainly was not in summer
    Gee there is a little more sea ice around the content of Antarctica 0.5 million km2 Extra
    pity that the decline in the ice in the arctic ocean was 8million m3 below the average last year.

    Hows the proof of no global warming in the last sixteen years going?
    you have yet to point it out on the trend calculators.
    Making the same silly statement even though it has been debunked repeatably is a window licker trait.

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  59. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff (4,254) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am
    Haven’t the window lickers noticed yet?
    They are the joke.

    We have a grown man crying over bunnies
    and someone that believes in a global conspiracy by all major scientific organizations and governments.

    This from a guy who tells us the end-of-the-world is coming, and the only way to stop it is by believing in him. Apparently the end is coming due to BIG OIL and the fictional “Carbon Industry” who are conspiring to bring on the end times. I am not sure why they want to to that, the prophet Griff has not revealed that information.

    People often have different points of view on KB, but they do not usually say the world will end if someone disagrees.

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  60. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff (4,255) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    wat dabney
    Every winter it happens in the arctic it freezers.

    Yes. And every summer some ice melts, followed by your fellow AGW alarmists telling us that this is evidence of AGW and the world is ending.

    Climate change is real. It is called seasonal variation.

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  61. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Don’t Panic! Arctic Ice Hits ‘Record’ Low!? Climate Depot Explains Arctic melting hype
    ‘Current Arctic ice shifts are not ‘proof’ of man-made global warming, nor are they unusual, unprecedented or cause for alarm, according to multiple peer-reviewed studies, data analyses and experts’

    Current Arctic ice shifts are not “proof” of man-made global warming, nor are they unusual, unprecedented or cause for alarm, according to multiple peer-reviewed studies, data analyses and experts.

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  62. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea (2,104) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
    Griff, there you go again: “by people paid to dissipate false information.” Paid by whom Griff ?. Tell us about it…

    I will repeat the awkward questions.

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)

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  63. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Pete George @ 8.39 In the case you cite there were two muslim women witnesses (one was the wife of the
    accused as i recall.) and they both refused to remove their disguises.
    (ie, they refused to comply with New Zealand law)

    The ‘judge’ allowed them to give evidence screened from the public gallery.

    Griff @ 8.53 you think a bunny rabbit can jump when shot- you should see the acrobatics a cat
    puts on. Of course you have to use a .22
    They don’t perform as well when you use a shotgun.

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  64. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    kea making stiff up. how unusual.
    Parrot chess : shit on the keyboard and claim you have won
    how unusual from squawk……… NOT
    Big oil is not a phase from my keyboard kea nether is the end of the world. They comes from your imaginary
    window licking fantasy :lol: Same with you trying to make out I am some sort of vegan green nut bar.
    I have provided links to authenticated documents from heartland backing my claims that the denial networks are funded by the energy industry
    Climate change deny nutters provide links to people funded by heartland on a monotonous basis yet fail to see the link between oil industry profits and climate change denial.

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  65. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Every winter it happens in the arctic it freezers.

    You really don’t have a clue, do you.

    We are comparing the current level of ice with the historical norm for this time of year.

    The current level of Arctic is is within the historical normal range. Fact.

    Antarctic ice is at near record high levels. Fact.

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  66. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    “Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis”

    a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims…Another interesting aspect of this new survey is that it reports on the beliefs of scientists themselves rather than bureaucrats who often publish alarmist statements without polling their member scientists. We now have meteorologists, geoscientists and engineers all reporting that they are skeptics of an asserted global warming crisis, yet the bureaucrats of these organizations frequently suck up to the media and suck up to government grant providers by trying to tell us the opposite of what their scientist members actually believe.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

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  67. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I have provided links to authenticated documents from heartland backing my claims that the denial networks are funded by the energy industry

    Kea (2,105) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am
    Kea (2,104) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
    Griff, there you go again: “by people paid to dissipate false information.” Paid by whom Griff ?. Tell us about it…

    I will repeat the awkward questions.

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)

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  68. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    800 More Children Permanently Harmed by Vaccines

    More evidence has emerged showing that the GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) vaccine Pandemrix, which was widely administered throughout Europe during the 2009-2010 H1N1 influenza “pandemic,” was responsible for causing serious and permanent side effects in many of the children that received it. At least 800 children, it turns out, many of whom live in Sweden, now have narcolepsy because of the vaccine, and some government officials are demanding answers.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/800-more-children-permanently-harmed-by-vaccines/

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  69. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    Majority Of Scientists :lol:
    forbes :lol:

    Read the report wat

    your scientists are made up of 80% Oil industry engineers. The report is into why some groups believe bullshit :lol:

    Squawk
    The Increased Climate Project Fundraising material is reproduced in and confirmed by Heartland’s own budget.

    The “Global Warming Curriculum for K-12 Classrooms” is also a Heartland budget item and has been confirmed independently by the author, Dr. David Wojick.

    The Funding for Parallel Organizations; Funding for Selected Individuals Outside Heartland are both reproduced and confirmed in the Heartland budget. And Anthony Watts has confirmed independently the payments in Expanded Climate Communications.

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  70. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    Received a text forty minutes ago- my friend’s mother died of cancer last night. Not even sixty. And on my friend’s birthday too.

    Permission to shed a tear please….

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff, thanks for the funding info. Where would you suggest they get their funding ?

    Now how about answering my questions? I have been asking this for a few months now. Is there a problem ?

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)

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  72. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    @bereal
    and how many gallons of blood does a bloody cat have if you don’t hit them square. Blood every where , sorry kids arnold the cat tripped and hurt
    himself

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  73. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Using your “logic” you must also discount the opinions of anyone and everyone benefitting from the AGW alarm. That’s everyone on the IPCC gravy-train for example. People like Hansen and his cronies. Countless thousands of professional alarmists receiving their share of the billions flying around.

    But somehow I don’t think your childish world-view, with its goodies and baddies, could ever grasp such a notion.

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  74. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Oh and Griff… I am happy to go along with your observation that scientists can be influenced by money. We agree on that much at least.

    Why do your think the people behind the multi trillion dollar global AGW industry are not influenced by money, in spite of it being their sole source of income ?

    Oil companies make money from oil. AGW alarmists make their money from the AGW theory. Take that away and all you have is an unemployed weatherman with a history of telling lies. Not many employment prospects for them I suspect. Mean while the world can not get enough oil.

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  75. RightNow (6,679 comments) says:

    $300 billion (NZ) from the EU alone for “climate action objectives” to 2020.

    Climate action objectives will represent at least 20% of EU spending in the period 2014-2020
    and therefore be reflected in the appropriate instruments to ensure that they contribute to
    strengthen energy security, building a low-carbon, resource efficient and climate resilient
    economy that will enhance Europe’s competitiveness and create more and greener jobs.

    http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/135344.pdf

    From a budget of 960 billion euros, that’s 192 billion euros for “climate action objectives”

    Gravy train. Players supporting the ‘climate action’ game are hundreds of times more incentivised to lie than any skeptic.

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  76. Harriet (4,534 comments) says:

    Kia – “…..Judith, I think you will find that those people with a normal healthy interest in sex are less likely to get themselves into trouble . The problems tend to be with those who see sex as sinful or dirty. Catholic priests, the deeply religious and people who bang on about sexual morality are prime targets and tend to have deviate sexuality. Of course you will know that, if you follow the news…….”

    Hanging from a rope IS trouble Kia….or at least the gay community say it is……or do you NOW not think so?

    Or do you mean that some gays[the ones that kill themselves] also don’t have a healthy sex life?

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  77. Ross12 (1,156 comments) says:

    Griff @ 10.41 asks

    “hows the proof of no global warming in the last sixteen years going?
    you have yet to point it out on the trend calculators.”

    Well Griff, I think this answers the question well.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/10/has-global-warming-stalled/#more-79260

    ( NB. He is even using a tool from your mates at Skepticalscience as well as the range of data sets)

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  78. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Pete George @ 8.53
    As we await the sage post you promised regarding your opinion of muslim womens
    special rights in New Zealand courts. (which i predict will opine that sometimes it’s O.K.
    and sometimes it’s not) so you can keep consistent.

    Consider how i would get on if i appeared as a witness, wearing a hoodie, thick black rimmed glasses
    and a large false plastic moustache and claimed i was a Marxist. (Groucho Marx)

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  79. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Harriet (1,045) Says:
    February 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I will be happy to reply to your post. Just as soon as I figure out what your saying.

    Personally I am not anti-gay and are rather liberal. However, I do not consider it “normal” in the usual sense of the word. If the whole world was made up of “normal” gays, then we would soon cease to exist, for obvious reasons.

    Of course gays are no problem and present no threat to society. Us hetros just need to keep watching porn (training vids) and carry on as we always have.

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  80. Harriet (4,534 comments) says:

    Pete George#

    “…While locally there is the story of a farmer who owned properties worth tens of millions presenting a Community Services Card. The left has long denounced this kind of gross unfairness….”

    I agree Pete, but that stuff has been going on before the British handed Hong Kong back to the Chinese in 1999. When I lived in NZ just prior to it, cases like that were being reported in the paper then. A case being where the Chinese were coming in on some business type visa where they had to put money into a business and house to get the visa.{I think it was about $500k in total}

    They did buy a house and put money into a business – then had no reason to draw out a large income from the business, so were then ‘eligable’ for some type of benefits.From memory the newspaper reports said that Chinese were turning up to the welfare office in bmw’s and Mercs – owned by ‘their’ companies.

    I presume the ‘visa side of it’ got sorted out by National or Labour since then, but the point is, both parties have BOTH been in government since then and have not sorted out the central issue – welfare cheating.

    And now someone ‘reminds’ the public that Labour have ‘long denounced this” – crap! I’ve just proved they haven’t!

    BTW. I’m not having ago at Chinese – it WAS reported in the CH-CH press prior to the Hong Kong handover or just after it. Cheers Pete..

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  81. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    So some gays are killing themselves because they feel they can’t come out?

    Unfortunately everyone is killing themselves but more so the normals over far more serious things than feeling! caged. In this day and age coming out or in the closet is a joke, you’re either one or your not, anything in between is denial.

    It’s quite funny being called a homophobe as i don’t really see what it means other than someone wanting to coerce you into thinking that it actually means anything.

    Are we to start writing a new treaty, The Rainbow treaty and give this minority crying rights and access to our very young to try and change their minds that sexuality isn’t formed until later and that they are by nature gay. By 5 i knew what i liked so what this is is an attack on what has been in place since we first truly started colonizing the planet in our first push 60,000 years ago or is it further back.

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  82. Harriet (4,534 comments) says:

    “……Unfortunately everyone is killing themselves but more so the normals over far more serious things than feeling!…”

    The arguement that gays kill themselves because they don’t ‘feel’ accepted by ‘society” falls down when you look at the history and life of prostitutes.

    Prostitutes in most societies, since the ‘mists of time’, and even Biblical Times, have nearly always been vilified, despised and ignored -yet- they have never killed themselves at the rates that gays do!

    Most parents nowadays, when told by a daughter that ‘I’ve been gay for 6 months’ will probably, rightfully or wrongly, eventually accept that, and life largely goes on as normal.

    But a parent being told by a daughter “I’ve been a prostitute for 6 months’ will probably, and rightfully ‘blow their top’ and more than likely, never accept that their daughter has any ‘self worth’ at all.

    Gays ‘troubles’ are to do with gays themselves – not society at large.

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  83. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    For you Griff:

    http://www.food.com/recipes/rabbit

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  84. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    For the rest of you:

    http://catrecipes.com/

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  85. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    An interesting and detailed news item about the Russian Meteorite, including some photos I have not seen in our news.

    http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/

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  86. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Johnboy, pussy does not need to be cooked before eating. It can be enjoyed with only simple preparation. You are used to Sheep, which requires more work.

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  87. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    True Kea. A good wash usually suffices followed by marinating in cheap wine. A bit like Mussels really! :)

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  88. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Johnboy lol :) :)

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  89. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    bereal:

    Consider how i would get on if i appeared as a witness, wearing a hoodie, thick black rimmed glasses
    and a large false plastic moustache and claimed i was a Marxist. (Groucho Marx)

    I suspect the judge would pick that you weren’t being real. I wouldn’t be surprised if it made him/her grouchy.

    I’ll repeat what I posted yesterday, you may not have seen it:

    Are there any special rules about how a witness may give their evidence?

    (Summary Proceedings Act 1957, s.185D; Evidence Act 2006, s.105)

    The judge may direct that any witness in any proceeding may give evidence in an alternative way. An “alternative way” means evidence can be given from in the courtroom behind a screen, from outside the courtroom (in New Zealand or elsewhere), or by a video record made before the hearing.

    A party can apply to the judge to give this direction or the judge can make a direction on his or her own initiative.

    (Evidence Act 2006, s.103)

    A direction that evidence may be given in an alternative way can be made on any of the following grounds:

    the age or maturity of the witness
    the physical, intellectual, psychological or psychiatric impairment of the witness
    the trauma suffered by the witness
    the witness’s fear of intimidation
    the linguistic or cultural background or religious beliefs of the witness
    the nature of the proceeding
    the nature of the evidence that the witness is likely to give
    the relationship of the witness to any party to the proceeding
    the absence or likely absence of the witness from New Zealand
    any other ground likely to promote the purpose of the Evidence Act 2006.

    http://www.communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-28-criminal-court-proceedings/the-court-hearing/

    I don’t see that wearing a deliberate disguise is covered by that.

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  90. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    You probably could have got more votes disguised like that last election PG except that Hawkeye Pierce has already done it better than you could! :)

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  91. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Here is a good song for young gays, or anybody for that matter, who is so down that they are
    considering topping themselves.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_90eOj6iWXI

    i am reminded of one of the few people who survived an attempted suicide junp off the Golden Gate
    bridge in San Francisco.

    He was asked,”What did you think of on the way down ?’
    He replied, “As I fell it dawned on me that every problem in my life was fixable, except this one.”

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  92. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Sorry, i meant to post this version.

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  93. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Last try to get it right.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP4clbHc4Xg

    @2.29 was the wrong track

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  94. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Apropos to the Lundy discussion the other day, and a comment on here a while ago about the level of evidence the Crown needs to obtain a conviction, can I point out here that that in the case below there was no physical evidence linking the accused with the crime.  This via Halsbury’s Law Exchange:

     Eddie Gilfoyle’s case is one of a relatively small number of alleged miscarriages of justice that stubbornly refuse to go away. On 4 June 1992, his wife, Paula Gilfoyle, was found, eight and a half months pregnant, hanging from a rope tied to a roof beam in the garage. For the last 20 years Mr Gilfoyle has protested his innocence, arguing that Paula’s death was a tragic suicide. The prosecution argument was that expectant mothers don’t kill themselves, especially bubbly young women with everything to live for.

    More than two years ago, Mr Gilfoyle was released, subject to a gagging order imposed by the parole board. This time last year it had been lifted and Eddie Gilfoyle was talking to the press – and he had something to say.

    The dramatic appearance of a “locked metal box” containing Paula’s diary and personal papers revealing previous suicide attempts and a traumatic past seemed to give the campaign renewed momentum. It had been held by the police but remained undisclosed for 16 years. Its contents seemed to suggest a very different picture of Paula from the happy-go-lucky, bubbly personality presented to the jury.

    The fact is that it can be quite easy for the Crown to gain a conviction if they present a plausible enough story based upon a version of circumstantial evidence.  Actual hard evidence isn’t always required.  I would also note that the Crown assertion in the case above has now well and truly been refuted, suicide is actually a known factor in pre-natal deaths.

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  95. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Oh, and one other thing to note is that there was a suicide note left by the deceased woman. The Crown’s argument, without any actual evidence, was that the accused man had forced her to write it before he hanged her.

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  96. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    i am reminded of one of the few people who survived an attempted suicide junp off the Golden Gate
    bridge in San Francisco.

    He was asked,”What did you think of on the way down ?’
    He replied, “As I fell it dawned on me that every problem in my life was fixable, except this one.” </blockquote

    bereal, great quote.

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  97. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Oh, and this one just for Yoza, who still lives in the 1930s and thinks Uncle Joe is coming to save him…

    From James Delingpole:

    Hitler was a socialist. It’s an indisputable fact. The word Nazi is a contraction of “National Socialist”; the red in the background of the Nazi flag is a reference to its origins in communism; and as Hitler himself said in a speech of May 1, 1927:

    “We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for exploitation of the economically weak…”

    It’s what Hayek argued in The Road To Serfdom. It’s what Jonah Goldberg demonstrated very convincingly in Liberal Fascism. Yes, it may be upsetting for socialists to be told this – in the same way that it’s upsetting for them to be told that socialism doesn’t work. But the truth hurts, sometimes. And since when, in any case, did it become an offence for a conservative to rub a socialist up the wrong way?

    Since this week, apparently.

    Poor Dr Rachel Frosh. Earlier this week, this blameless woman – an NHS doctor for 20 years – was bullied into resigning her job as Deputy Police Crime Commissioner of Hertfordshire, merely for the “crime” of having retweeted a comment on Twitter to the effect that Hitler was a Socialist.
    Now, to pile on the injustice, the Conservative party has suspended her from its list of parliamentary candidates for the next election.

    If this is the Conservative party’s attitude to free speech, if it really values truth so little and the prejudices and tactical grievance-taking of its enemies on the left so highly, you have to ask: why on earth would any natural Conservative wish to vote for such a bunch of cowardly, politically correct, cringeingly career-safe, spineless, unprincipled sell-outs?

    And before Yoza begins to bring out words like ‘plutocrat’ and phrases like ‘plutocrat’s stooge who slipped the leash’, can I just point out that Fascism was and is considered an anti-capitalist ideology!

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  98. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Nice to have you back FESter. Someone has to get us retards thinking along the right lines.

    I know you cant read any of this but I just want to say that I enjoy every pedantic comment you make! :)

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  99. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    F E Smith, you will not be thanked for reminding the resident socialists about their history. They even deny the United Soviet Socialist Republic was socialist ! They try and draw false distinctions between their ideas and those of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc. At their core they are all on the same page. Total state control… for the benefit of the workers, of course !

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  100. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Don’t get too carried away with your love for FESter Kea.

    Most of the bastards who shot/beheaded the rest of the populace throughout history were fellows with legal training.

    You are a fuckin sycophant! :)

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  101. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Kea,

    I know, but I cannot help myself. Was it Luc Hansen who last year or the year before described North Korea as being a conservative State? It beggars belief, but the lefties are masters at changing history to suit their own sense of importance.

    EDIT: Actually, given the bombing in Turkey the other day that was carried out by a left wing group, it seems that the lefties are still happy to use violence to get their own way. Now at almost 200 years and counting…

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  102. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    The resident eminent (in his own mind) jurist F E Smith makes a comment he prefaces with
    a reference to the Lundy case. Then gobbles on and on in a confused ramble about some obscure
    case concerning one, Eddie Gilfoyle.

    Maybe someone could point out the connection for us.

    One thing you can take to the bank, if you ever needed a lawyer F E Smith would have
    to be the very, very last cab off the rank.
    In fact, you would be better off walking, even crawling.

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  103. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Hush Beryl. You are in the presence of a hugely superior mind.

    How dare you comment on anything he says! :)

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  104. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    And he gave you a thumbs down too.

    He is a sad little prick! :)

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  105. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    I’ll give you a thumbs up Beryl, just to prove I wasn’t playing a trick! :)

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  106. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    beryl, if you cannot understand the reference I make in the first sentence of the comment that you refer to then there isn’t much that I can add to make it more clear to you.

    Nice bit of unnecessary ad hominem, by the way.

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  107. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nice bit of unnecessary ad hominem, by the way.

    F E Smith, that is nothing. You should see a what a real beryl attack looks like. It is a very special thing. I have been the lucky respondent an number of times :)

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  108. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Yeah. Stop with those “ad hominems” Beryl.

    Folk will start to think you cant stomach upstart/full of themselves lawyer bastards! :)

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  109. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    hinamanu Interesting, the woman just has a sign giving her name well the others have the Honourable in front of them.
    I thought yanks were against using titles.

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  110. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Shit Kea and FESter play the thumbs.

    Check out Beryl at 3:40

    What bloody wankers.

    Only sad wee bastards bother with that crap.

    Still I always knew that. :)

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  111. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    can I just point out that Fascism was and is considered an anti-capitalist ideology!

    FES I may be wrong but my understanding of facism is the combining of the commercial operations with political direction. This is why the industrialists backed him heavily and they heavily participated in arms manufacture up to and including using slaves provided by the state. It’s not anti-capitalist at all, the Todt Organisation was a thriving facist operation using capitalist principles to run itself. And places like Krupp and Messerschmidt and Mercedes etc etc always used them throughout the war.

    Personally I see shades of this in the relationship of corporate operations like big pharma and the defence companies and the media companies with the political leadership and with similar ends in mind, more and more in the US. Like in the Homeland Security suppliers for example. There’s a long way to go before it becomes as full blown as Germany’s was, but the signs are there and their influence continues to increase.

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  112. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Can any of the great brains (was that an adhominens ?) who gave me a thumbs down
    for pointing out the garbage F E Smith posted at 2.50 please explain the connections between
    the Lundy case and the Gilfoyle case .

    i assume that there is one, at least in F E Smiths mind.

    Who will be the first drong (was that an ad hominen ?) to step up to the plate
    and try to make a cogent explanation ?

    (That includes you F E Smith or any of your sycophants)

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  113. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    You can’t win against the forces of FESter Beryl.

    Look how his sad little minions have thumbed us! :)

    It wouldn’t be so bad if he was a lawyer that won his cases in real life other than here in his own mind on KB! :)

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  114. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    bereal, why don’t you challenge him to a paintball fight, tape it and post it on YouTube?

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  115. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    FESter has gone away Reid. He sulks when I say nasty things about him (even though he cant see them).

    Unless he is using his other browser of course! :)

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  116. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    reid,

    no, you do have that wrong. The point of fascism was a break away from internationalist socialism to form a sub-group that combined nationalism and socialism. That really is the key difference. Both internationalist socialism (of the marxist and the non-marxist type) and nationalist socialism rely on a command economy that required industrial organisations to adhere to centralised planning.

    The fascists were very much anti-capitalist.  The wiki page on the topic actually puts it very succintly:

    Fascism has mixed stances on capitalism; while supportive of private property rights, fascism upholds statism and corporatism and is hostile to the concepts of laissez-faire capitalism, free market systems, free trade, economic individualism, consumerism, and bourgeois culture. Like Marxists, fascists maintain that class-conflict is a feature inherent in capitalist societies and seek to remedy it by government means.

    It is wrong to say that support of private propery rights means that they are not socialist.  Modern socialists also have no real nationalising bent so long as they can plan and command the economy.  

    While unreconstructed communists like Yoza recoil at the idea of the fascists being described as left wing, the fact is that they were.  They may not have practised ideologically pure socialism, but then neither did communism.  Communist and Fascists hated each other because they were variations on a theme and therefore were competing for the same supporters.

    If you really want to annoy a lefty, point out that the British National Party, which is usually, and inaccurately, described as a far right party, is made up manly of disaffected British Labour Party members and sits to the left of that Party, and that Sir Oswald Mosely, the head of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s and 1940s, retained his Fabain Society membership throughout his leadership of the BUF.

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  117. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    I feel quite humbled to be in the presence of such a great mind, wot can study Wikipedia with the best of us! :)

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  118. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Who will be the first drong (was that an ad hominen ?) to step up to the plate and try to make a cogent explanation ?

    I think you shot your self in the foot there, beryl, because anybody who now tries to explain to you what the corelation is (and I suspect that in doing so words of one syllable would be required) would be admitting that they are a ‘drong’ (definition: a passageway or lane esp. between walls or hedges), which I presume is meant to be ‘drongo’ (defintion: any of a family (Dicruridae) of insectivorous passerine birds native to Africa, Asia, and Australia that usually have glossy black plumage and long forked tails, but in this part of the world also: Dumbass, idiot (Aussie slang)), but I am not sure.

    Drong or drongo, I am now not giving you an explanation because I am neither.

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  119. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    FES I don’t agree that facism is an ideology. I realise many think it is, but that doesn’t mean it is. I see it rather as an operational methodology. It’s a mere means to an end. Socialism is an ideology, National-Socialism was the ideology in question at the time, but National-Socialism with all its attendant propaganda tentacles was a means of motivating human behaviour, facism was the means of controlling it and it didn’t have to be facism it could have been some other method, it just happens Hitler chose to use facism, which proved a rather brilliant choice over time when you assess what that technique achieved in total, even if it was also unspeakably evil.

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  120. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    “Drong or drongo, I am now not giving you an explanation because I am neither.”

    Some may disagree. Particularly me! :)

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  121. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    A border collie’s worst nightmare…..

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe78gj5wwg7etui/Ram%20Trials.jpg

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  122. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8313262/Palmerston-North-RSA-in-debt-to-tune-of-2m

    How can a gang of drunken old bastards suck that much piss?

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  123. Johnboy (15,034 comments) says:

    Thousands of people are lining Auckland’s Ponsonby Road for the first gay pride parade in 12 years.

    Among those there, and tweeting about it, is US Ambassador to New Zealand, David Huebner, who has also provided a picture of what he says is pre-parade entertainment.

    Actor Madeleine Sami has also tweeted: “Pride! Yay 4 gay!!!!!”

    The parade starts at the Karangahape Road end of Ponsonby Road but some pre-events have already taken place.

    Among these has been the lighting of the Auckland Memorial Museum and the Skytower in rainbow colours.

    Parade coordinator Jonathan Smith says they aim is to put the parade on the tourism map, in the style of the Sydney Mardi Gras.

    Members of the Defence Force have been given permission to march in uniform.

    Privates on parade!!!! :)

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  124. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I will disagree with you on that point, but it explains how you see it differently to myself. I think that fascism is an ideology, one that Mussolini, Hitler and others very clearly developed. As a totalitarian ideology, just as communism turned out to be, it has a large element of control and propaganda, but it remains at its heart a sub-ideology of socialism, as was bolshevism.

    I also don’t think that Hitler chose it. I think it fit perfectly with his own worldview, combining well with the politics that came out of Vienna in the Pre-WW1 period, which had a strong anti-semitic element to it. When you go back and look at the potential formative influences along the way, I think that Hitler was very much a product of his time rather than something that was an exception to the rule. The savagery of the implementation in Germany stands in contrast to that of Italy (which still had its moments, mind you) but Soviet Russia also engaged in similar savagery, so again I see it as not being unique.

    Of course, the real lesson that we should take from this is: don’t let teetotal vegetarians have political power!

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  125. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    Don’t let people from another land become leader of your land is the lesson for me FES.

    Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon. Three very destructive leaders, all from other lands.

    It’s a worry therefore about the questions over Obama’s citizenship isn’t it, for even if you’re sanguine about that, it’s a significant pointer to keep an eye on, in these times.

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  126. kowtow (7,656 comments) says:

    The so called gay pride parades are a parody of mardi gras or carnivale.

    Carnivale is Latin ,”good bye to meat eating” for the penetential Lenten period running up to Easter.

    I can’t help think that these guys will actually will be doing an awful lot of ” meat eating”. Some celebration!

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  127. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    @Reid,

    Interesting view. So what you’re saying is that Hone is right and that the white mo’fos should get out of it.

    As for Hitler, his world view was simple – that he should be in charge. Everything else (to him) was just window dressing.

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  128. Andrei (2,506 comments) says:

    Carnival ended on Tuesday Kowtow and where they have real Mardi Gras, like in New Orleans or Rio come midnight Tuesday it is over!

    The police clear the streets of all revellers and those that wont go go to the cells.

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  129. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Oh look, Daniel Hannan has joined in at the Telegraph:

    ‘I am a Socialist,’ Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, ‘and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow’.

    No one at the time would have regarded it as a controversial statement. The Nazis could hardly have been more open in their socialism, describing themselves with the same terminology as our own SWP: National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry, high tariffs, workers’ councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, ‘capitalism has run its course’.

    One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn’t expect it from mainstream commentators.

    That last bit that I have put in bold is a vital point, imo.

    Reid, I have no real doubt that Obama was born in Hawai, and if he wasn’t then it is too late to be concerned about it.  I don’t like his policies, and I think he is deliberately divisive in his stance (and I am still not sure whether it is intentional nor not; I suspect it is) but I think that ‘birtherism’ is a pointless waste of time.

    Not that birtherism is restricted to Obama’s opponents: witness the attempts in 2008 to show John McCain didn’t qualify because he was born in the US Zone in Panama. 

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  130. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    Malaysia flexing its Xenophobia.

    Nick Xenophon denied entry to Malaysia, delegation scraps visit

    From: AAP
    February 16, 2013 2:23PM

    AUSTRALIAN politicians have called off a visit to Malaysia after Independent senator Nick Xenophon was refused entry to the country and detained pending deportation.

    The group, comprising Senator Xenophon, Liberal MP Mal Washer, Nationals Senator John Williams and ALP MP Steve Georganas, were planning an unofficial visit ahead of Malaysia’s upcoming elections.

    They were to meet opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, as well as Malaysia’s minister in charge of parliamentary affairs Mohammed Nazri and members of the group Bersih, the Coalition for Clean and Fair Elections.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nick-xenophon-denied-entry-to-malaysia-expects-deportation/story-fn59niix-1226579358593

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  131. Viking2 (11,147 comments) says:

    Surplus turns to $10bn deficit

    by: David Crowe and Adam Creighton
    From: The Australian
    February 16, 2013 12:00AM

    LABOR is at risk of posting a deficit of more than $10 billion this year as it seeks to fight an election on economic management, with new figures revealing a $5.2bn blow to revenue.

    The revenue shortfall not only destroys the prospect of a budget surplus this year, it also casts doubt over future surpluses, amid caucus concerns over Wayne Swan’s performance in selling the government’s message.

    Socialists are all the same when it comes to OPM

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  132. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Great youtube rant.

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  133. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Details on the guy above.

    http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/speaking-of-atlantic-business/

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  134. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    Interesting view. So what you’re saying is that Hone is right and that the white mo’fos should get out of it.

    No, how did you draw that conclusion from what I said?

    I think that ‘birtherism’ is a pointless waste of time

    I don’t care about whether or not it’s real FES because I don’t care about the answer to the question, it’s not important to me. But there is considerable credible detail if one looks and even if you don’t care to look very deep, as I don’t and haven’t, where there’s smoke sometimes there’s fire.

    But the reason it’s relevant is because it’s a valid part of a broader hypothesis. You look at the security apparatus and legislation in the US and you see something that has never been there before. It’s both physical as in Homeland Security with TSA in waiting as the local thug enforcers and they are thugs, not yet, but they’re low intelligence authoritative individuals instead of brainy ones which is what you’d have thought should be hired but no, they’ve hired the former not the latter and it’s in the legislation too. Legislation that eviscerates the constitution. You look at those facts and then you factor in the birth hypothesis and it’s an interesting equation.

    Who knows if it will happen, but with the toxic pollution of the corporate control over Washington politics from the banks and others right now, today, that sure as hell looks a bit like facism, doesn’t it. That’s another factor. Remember these are the same folks who hollowed out the US manufacturing base by offshoring it. They obviously know what they’re doing, don’t they.

    And so on.

    But hey. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave right? How could it ever be otherwise? Well, those are all facts above, apart from the birther issue and who cares if Obama is a foreign leader, I mean so what. But all the rest of the things I said are facts. So in that context, the birther issue is interesting, as background. Same as why the pope really resigned is interesting as background.

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  135. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    No, how did you draw that conclusion from what I said?

    Pretty simple really… Because you said:

    Don’t let people from another land become leader of your land is the lesson for me

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  136. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    where there’s smoke sometimes there’s fire.

    So what you’re saying is that most of the time there is no association between smoke and fire.

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  137. Manolo (13,401 comments) says:

    A bastard unmasked: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-14/a-chinese-hackers-identity-unmasked#r=read

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  138. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    The following combinations
    DO NOT go together and should be avoided:

    1. A nose ring & bifocals
    2. Spiked hair & bald spots
    3. A pierced tongue & dentures
    4. Miniskirts & support hose
    5. Ankle bracelets & corn pads
    6. Speedos & cellulite
    7. A belly button ring & a gall bladder surgery scar
    8. Unbuttoned disco shirts & a heart monitor
    9. Midriff shirts & a midriff bulge
    10. Bikinis & liver spots
    11. Short shorts & varicose veins
    12. In line skates & a walking frame

    And last, but not least…..
    13.Thongs & geriatric nappies.

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  139. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Dear, F E Smith.
    further to your effort @ 2.50

    i refer you to an erudite observation by Franz Kafka which is appplicable in your case.

    “He has an ability to discuss minutiae to an extent which is lamentable.”

    But i will put the question in plain English in the hope the penny will drop. Even for you.

    Explain the relation (in your mind) between the Lundy case and the Gilfoyle case you quote ?

    i note you failed to even attempt to do so in your 5.47 effort, choosing rather to attack the messenger.

    If you are able, have a go.
    Please keep your explanation simple as even some of your deluded admiriati may be interested.

    Also, different subject ,Pete George, good reply @ 2.00 a point to you, well done and even quite witty.
    i would object to any exemption to any aspect of the law on religious grounds myself even though
    this does appears to be the law of the land and you are right.
    But.
    Someone fucked up with that clause because i am sure that you would agree that nobody knows what that
    particular clause may be interperated to mean in the future.
    Simple law is good law.
    Any exemption from anything based on religious conviction has to be bullshit.

    Wonder what the great sage F E Smith thinks about that ?

    Don’t take that as an invitation to avoid the primary question F E Smith.

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  140. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    beryl,

    I can’t answer without admitting to being a drong (or a drongo; whichever), so I won’t. Sorry.

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  141. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    Reid

    Last week “SPC” posted a comment which gave me good cause to think. He is likening the fall of Syria to the demise of Saddam Husseins setup.

    …….”The former leader of Iraq obstruced UN WMD inspections to pretend he had something to hide – to intimidate internal Shia and Kurdish opposition as well as Iran. The Americans called his bluff – lying that they feared he had WMD and invading because they knew he did not. Now the Iranians adopt his tactic of fraudulent bravado to pose as a regional strongman as their aspirations to regional leadership begin to implode. I suspect this time the Americans will simply allow the tide of regional events and the increasingly erratic responses of the regime to discredit it so that it collapses from within – much as the Soviet Union did back in the 80s/90′s.”……

    To me it seems a plausible theory & may yet be what the USA are after. Any thoughts?

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  142. Tauhei Notts (1,613 comments) says:

    F E Smith,
    Let me help you.
    A drongo is somebody who spells bereal as beryl.

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  143. wat dabney (3,689 comments) says:

    Don’t let people from another land become leader of your land is the lesson for me FES.
    Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon. Three very destructive leaders, all from other lands.

    Eh?

    That’s what you take away from it?

    Mao and Saddam – to name just two – get a free pass because they’re local boys?

    Really?

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  144. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Any thoughts?

    Apart from a few minor actions the Israeli’s continuing to sit on their hands indicates that both Iran and Syria pose no imminent threat.

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  145. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    F E Smith- if you’re going to be objective about Obama being a constitutionally qualified President, then don’t use the term birther, or birtherism.

    This is a typically deceitful attempt to belittle and demean anyone who threatens the left’s cultural hegemony. In fact Obama was not born in Hawaii, he was born in Kenya. How do I know this?

    HE HAS FUCKING WELL SAID SO HIMSELF ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

    SO FUCKING WELL ASK YOURSELF- “IS OBAMA HIMSELF A BIRTHER???”

    You profess to take an interest in matters legal. The founding fathers who wrote the constitution knew what they were doing when they specified that only a person born of two American citizens could qualify to be President. It is a loyalty issue. They wanted the President to be beyond doubt totally loyal to the US, and not share any allegiance to any other country.

    Obama as President has frequently demonstrated just the disloyal mindset the founders were afraid of. Because he is not an American. It’s no surprise he is weakening the US military and destroying the economy. That is just what a disloyal president would do.

    Of course with the lawlessness that exists in most western democracies where the corrupt and cowardly and dishonest left have enjoyed cultural and political hegemony for so long, it is perhaps futile trying to exercise the law as it should be exercised. Those who try to do that though are heroes and do not deserve the ignominy of a term like birthers.

    They are actually Constitutionalists. People who wish for a return to lawful government. Naturally the left wants to discredit them.

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  146. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Someone’s done some sole searching.

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  147. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Dear F E Smith

    i unreservedly withdraw and apologise for any offence i have caused you.
    Please accept my sincere apology. ( i mentioned the word drongo in the heat of the moment.)
    We all make mistakes, surely you would agree.

    i am sure you are able to answer the question i posed to you @ 8.06 and i am sure that
    in light of my abject apology you will be big enough to at least attempt a reply.

    No one reading this exchange would seriously feel that an attempt by you at reply would
    be interperated as you admitting that you were a drongo.

    Lets be big boys about this. O.K. ?

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  148. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    As it stands at the moment you’re probably right cha….things would change overnight if Iran was on the verge of succeeding in its attempt to develop a nuclear bomb. If however, the sanctions really start hurting then the present regime in Iran will come under a lot of pressure from its people.

    The way I see it it’s a waiting game to see what happens first.

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  149. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    TEA BAGGER
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagger
    4 A misinformed, right-wing corporate media consumer who often fails to understand that BOTH major parties represent a corrupt plutocracy that steals from the middle class by taxing labor and profiting from corporate tax subsidies.

    A teabagger also often fails to acknowledge that George W. Bush and his neo-conservative minions perpetrated one of the boldest and most egregious executive power grabs in the history of the United States. Furthermore, teabaggers mistakenly continue to blame a newly elected President Obama for all that ails the United States of America, based on a grossly flawed perception of reality (including latent racial prejudice) and despite the fact the U.S. economy collapsed on the previous administration’s watch.

    6 A conservative republican who protests against income taxes by rubbing their nutsacks in each other’s faces.

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  150. Steve (North Shore) (4,500 comments) says:

    Good read of Blogs today. The hosts are ok like here and others.
    Where is – never mind – he is sitting on the fence somewhere

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  151. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    nasska I’ve always read Syria as a regime-change operation inspired specifically to remove Iran’s last significant regional ally. This is precisely why Russia is not allowing him to fall, if it can help it. It’s a superpower proxy game, and it always has been.

    Someone like Nixon may not have been him once said something like: “if it happens in politics then it happened by design. In politics, nothing happens by accident.”

    Now it may be romantic to imagine that Syrians are spontaneously uprising against a hated dictator, but you didn’t used to think like that until a few years ago when the propaganda kicked in to start teaching you that meme. That’s one of many signs BTW of a meme. That this is new.

    What many don’t know because they haven’t bothered to research it, is that both the Libyans and the Syrians have by and large always been happy with their lot under their leaders, until the west decides it wants to overthrow them and all of a sudden, the people aren’t happy, after all.

    Talk about being played like a violin, is my comment to people who think it’s ever been about that. Sorry. Sentiment never enters into superpower geopolitics, the opinion or otherwise of any proportion of any given population matters not a jot to the people who calculate and implement their plans at this level. They don’t give a fuck about democracy or whether or not people are tortured and killed or anything else like that, at all. They say they do of course but only fools believe that.

    That’s the game and the arena we are talking about when we talk about the Syrian situation. Turkey could become the point nation if the UN NATO get involved. That will cause serious diplomatic ructions amongst its near neighbours. Amidst all of this, the Arab street aren’t stupid, they know what’s happening. And the question they ask of course is who is responsible for this, who has made the calculation that Iran needs to be taken out and why.

    And as I keep saying, if one hallucinates the ME is nothing more than a seething cauldron of boiling hatred who just can’t wait to nuke the west, that’s a fantasy, built up by fear. Fear-driven politics is what 911 heralded and you can tell it’s bullshit by the OTT measures in both UK and US all the time based on the numbers of apprehensions which is tiny by comparison to the massive change in everyday life that they have inflicted on their respective populations. So when you drop the fear and look at it without emotion and run the numbers on the estimated terrorists vs everyone else in that region, you see a different picture to the one the propaganda has painted since that day.

    Because you’re not supposed to do that, you see. You’re supposed to absorb the message that there’s danger everywhere and vigilance cannot, must not and will not be relaxed.

    But that’s where the idea comes from of believing that this is a spontaneous uprising. Not from reality as it is, but from the perception of fear generated by propaganda. I mean just research the FSA composition and origins. When you penetrate the western propaganda on this you see this as a quite obvious common-or-garden regime-change plan using updated colour revolution tactics adapted for the ME setting.

    But at the end of the day Syria is a mere stepping stone. That’s all she is. And Russia is in the way and she’s not backing down. Good. To me, any delay of an attack on Iran is a positive. I hope Russia never backs down and Assad is still in power in 2023.

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  152. Nostalgia-NZ (4,918 comments) says:

    Happy new year bereal.

    Making any progress?

    You may have heard that the blues won today, though the length of any pony tails is not reported.

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  153. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Reid:I’ve always read Syria as a regime-change operation inspired specifically to remove Iran’s last significant regional ally. This is precisely why Russia is not allowing him to fall, if it can help it. It’s a superpower proxy game, and it always has been.

    The uprising in Syria is internally driven. It would certainly have the effect of removing Iran last regional ally but that isn’t why it is happening. And the reason Russia is not allowing Assad to fall has little to do with Iran and is instead related to its own interests in Syria.

    Now it may be romantic to imagine that Syrians are spontaneously uprising against a hated dictator

    That is indeed what is happening.

    What many don’t know because they haven’t bothered to research it, is that both the Libyans and the Syrians have by and large always been happy with their lot under their leaders

    This has to be the most ignorant comment in GD today. The Syrians have wanted reform for decades, and the Libyans hated Gaddafi.

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  154. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    Reid

    Agree somewhat….there’s little that happens in the ME that could be described as spontaneous. There are multiple layers of cause & effect. Give something a kick here & something blows out over there.

    I hark back to “SPC”‘s original thesis to the effect that America is staging the same game as it used in Iraq where they use a country’s own propaganda against it. If Israel stays staunch on the nuclear watch the USA can afford to play a waiting game & let the political situation in Iran implode when the sanctions really bite. I still don’t think they have the capabilities of an extended ground campaign in Iran.

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  155. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Anyone watching Stuff’s footage from the gay pride week should just skip to 1:19.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8314179/Thousands-support-gay-pride-parade

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  156. kowtow (7,656 comments) says:

    Other combinations that do not go together is a “married”

    man and man

    woman and woman.

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  157. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    nasska an Iran war is not about tactics but about fallout. Right across the entire Muslim world. If you really do want to light a match to the Muslims, then the best way to do that is to attack Iran. That’s what it’s about. That’s why they want to do it.

    The strategic regional calculation revolves around Israel getting rid of her public enemy #1 using the same tactics she used to get rid of her public enemy #2, Iraq: i.e. the US.

    The Iranians aren’t going to implode anytime soon and the sanctions are biting, hard. But they will come through because China and Russia will keep them going.

    the Libyans hated Gaddafi.

    Chiz Ghadaffi got taken out because he’d started to require payment for all oil in gold African Dinars. And that pissed off the US who had become accustomed to paying for it with worthless bits of fiat currency. Do you know what the very first act of the Libyan Provisional Govt was, the very first one even before the firing had stopped. Setup a Central Reserve Bank. Now why did they do that chiz, when there must have been a gajillion other pressing concerns? I know why, personally, but do you? Because they did do that. Ghaddafi did other things too but that was the last straw. BTW in so doing the world lost one of the only four nations who don’t operate a central reserve bank, the others being Cuba, Iran and North Korea.

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  158. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    then the best way to do that is to attack Iran

    The Iranian backed Alawite elites and the Sunni majority are at each others throats in Syria so why would an attack on Shia Iran unify Islam?.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4345410,00.html

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/02/al_qaedas_syrian_aff_1.php

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  159. UglyTruth (4,045 comments) says:

    They are actually Constitutionalists. People who wish for a return to lawful government.

    Meanwhile here in NZ we can but hope that one day we will have one. NZ’s civil “government” came into existence by being “deemed necessary”. To deem is to create a legal fiction, in this case that a need exists. According to Bracton’s maxim (which is observed by NZ judiciary), that which is otherwise not lawful is made lawful by necessity.

    Government by the consent of the governed implies informed consent, but knowledge of the nature of civil government is hindered by the use of words of art, legalese which obscures the mechanism by which the system obtains power. The central word is the ambiguous term ‘person’, which in the context of law implies a party or legal representation which has an obligation of some kind. Thus in law there is a distinction between persons and people, between personal property and real property, and between personal jurisdiction and general jurisdiction.

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  160. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    cha Iran is seen by all Muslims as the best example of a Muslim state. Sectarian considerations don’t come into it. It’s pan-Islam. This crosses regions in that SE Asian Muslims think this as well as ME Muslims. It matters not whether or not you think this is a justified view, this is what they think.

    So if Iran is attacked all the Muslim nations will see it as a Christian denigration of Islam. Again it matters not what you think about that, this is what they will see it as.

    This should make the thinking person doubly skeptical about the value or otherwise of taking Iran out. But apparently most people fall for the propaganda meme that Iran is so very crazy that the first thing the highly intelligent and calculating people who run this country of 170 million will do when they get a nuke, is use it. I mean, why most people I have no idea, because it’s fucking nuts. Why would they. What would they gain. Recall we are talking about an exceedingly calculating people. You’re telling me that those people would do that? For what? So they could see their country annihilated? I mean what sort of idiot really thinks a country of Iran’s nature would do that. To think that, you’d have to inhabit some sort of Disney fantasy and guess what cha, most people do inhabit that. Isn’t it fucked.

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  161. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Iran is seen by all Muslims as the best example of a Muslim state

    And you have evidence for this laughable claim?

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  162. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ
    Thanks, and hope you and yours have a happy new year too.
    How things might have been different if only the previous coach had any understanding of discipline.

    Regarding progress.
    Note how a blowhard, self important, excuse for a lawyer was called out today and when given the chance
    to explain/redeem himself there was no one home.
    Retired hurt as they say.
    What a sad dissapointment he turned out to be.
    Just an empty blouse. (is that an ad hominen ?)

    Full of it as they say. You gotta wonder about the pillocks who mindlessly gave him thumbs up.

    Still, he may yet develop the guts to return and attempt to reply to my question to him/her @ 8.06
    and repeated @ 8.36

    Course that would require him/her to grow a pair. Beyond his/her abilities i suspect.

    Good luck to your family.
    G’nite.

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  163. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    beryl, you are an idiot. Firstly, nobody is beholden to answer any question that you might pose. What I wrote above is self-explanatory, you appear to be the only person not to have understood it. Secondly, you can’t say that anybody who answers your questions is a drong/drongo and then expect someone to answer. Then when you don’t get your way, you hurl abuse, expecting that to obtain an answer for you.

    Your 8.36 appears to be insincere, so I don’t buy it.

    Quite frankly, you appear to be an egotistical, petulant little child, and I have no truck with that sort of behaviour. My not answering you is not so much that I cannot, but more that you don’t deserve it.

    EDIT: anyway, I was watching rugby, which was far more interesting.

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  164. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    chiz it’s a self-evident fact of Islamic politics. I’m sorry that you don’t understand how Muslims think but just because you don’t doesn’t mean others share the same affliction. I suggest you ask Muslims you come across what they think and start from there. That’s what I did. It seems to work.

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  165. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Reid, Iran is unpopular with most Muslims, especially Sunnis. Trying to pass off laughable bullshit like this is a clear sign that you don’t really understand anything about ME politics. If your belief about Iran comes from Muslims you’ve talked to I can only assume you misunderstood them.

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  166. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    F E Smith
    the only person you are fooling is yourself. And that can’t be hard.
    (by the way, if you are going to use some ad hominens yourself, use some decent ones.)

    Bottom line, despite all your faux protestations ,everyone reading this blog today knows the
    only reason you wont answer my question is because it is beyond you to do so.
    Ludicrous excuse after pittifull excuse.
    You’ve beeen found out again.
    You’ve made a fool of yourself.
    Give up.
    You just havent got it baby.
    Lawyer ? You must be joking.

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  167. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    bereal,

    whatever.

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  168. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    I mean, seriously, you begin with

    The resident eminent (in his own mind) jurist F E Smith

    and then go on with 

    One thing you can take to the bank, if you ever needed a lawyer F E Smith would have
    to be the very, very last cab off the rank.
    In fact, you would be better off walking, even crawling.

    and continue in that vein as you go through the day, and yet you wonder why I can’t be bothered answering you?

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  169. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    But my dear F E Smith you do bother answering me,
    You have been all afternoon.
    but you just haven’t had the balls/ability to answer the question at hand.

    And you really excelled yourself @ 11.57 with, “Whatever.”
    You really rose to your level of incompetence with that one.

    Like i said mate, give it away, you’r just not up to it.
    Don’t make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
    G’nite.

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  170. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    warning: this post is a load of shit literally.

    I’m fascinated by fully undigested peas. Green and good as new… that’s weird man. I eat a lot of peas for an anorexic and I think the body is telling me ‘Mate, too many peas that time. We don’t need that many thanks. Here, have them back, save them for next time’.

    I’m just saying… they’re good enough to wash them and eat them again if you really wanted to… there’s nothing wrong with them.

    Human body is weeeeeeeird…….

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  171. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8312109/Door-to-door-salesmen-fleecing-unsuspecting

    I hate seeing people being conned out of money.

    Gypsies? In NZ? That’s a bread and butter gypsy scam. That’s the old chestnut. It’s a total scam and they admit it and are proud of sucking in the weaker members of the herd. They shrug their shoulders. We’re gypsies… that’s what we do.

    I feel for the people taken in… it will keep on happening and happening and what can you do about it?

    It’s seems fuckin stupid that as a community we can’t just say ‘No, sorry… that’s wrong- the service provided is an obvious scam, you’re giving the cash back or going to prison. Which one?’ Wouldn’t that be good? What’s stopping us making that happen?

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  172. Griff (6,842 comments) says:

    Left right and round the bend
    Eating you own shit is not going to cure your anorexia.
    Have you thought of professional help

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  173. Left Right and Centre (2,825 comments) says:

    from griff:

    Left right and round the bend
    Eating you own shit is not going to cure your anorexia.
    Have you thought of professional help

    I’m the worst anorexic anyone could hope to meat meet.

    I’m still the same weight I was at the start of 2013. Slightly slightly more even.

    I couldn’t get down in weight from where I am…. and I’m actually on the line for being ‘overweight’. In fact on some charts… BMI is one of them… I’m at the lowest end of the overweight range.

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