The PM and Waitangi Day

February 6th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

When the PM was Opposition Leader he said he would attend at Waitangi as Prime Minister, for as long as he was PM. He has kept his word and as far as I know is the only Prime Minister to have attended 100%.

I think it is very good for the PM to attend. It is a chance for dialogue and discussion. Shouting past each other is not a substitute for fronting up.

However there is some obligation on the hosts to be good hosts. By that I don’t mean that Waitangi should be protest-free. That is not under their control, and protesters have freedom of speech.

But what I do think is unacceptable is to keep the Prime Minister waiting for almost an hour, while you work out who accompanies him. It is rude, and inconsiderate. I doubt any other Head of Government would sit around for an hour while they have a silly squabble.

The fact that there are some strong personalities like Titewhai Harawira involved, is no excuse. Waitangi Day is once a year. They could have raised this issue months ago to try and get an agreement. Trying to change things at the last minute was always going to end badly.

While I am sure the PM will keep his pledge to always attend, it would be wise for the hosts to consider what responsibilities they have. Having the PM there is a privilege – not a right.

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102 Responses to “The PM and Waitangi Day”

  1. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Key:

    But while the outlook for Maori and Maori-Crown relations are mostly positive, there remains a small but vocal few who are sometimes apparently unable or unwilling to see the world through any lens other than that of Maori disadvantage.

    They seem from their public demeanour to be permanently aggrieved, and rarely constructive.

    Those headline-seekers know they will get much more attention by being flamboyant and negative than they will by being considered and positive.

    The problem is that sometimes their diversions – including here at Waitangi – are not only distracting, but they can contribute to putting at risk the public consensus that exists towards the process of settling legitimate Maori grievances.

    It is that consensus that also allows us, in government, to be innovative about ideas that, for example, might lift Maori educational achievement and economic participation.

    Public goodwill should not be taken for granted.

    It needs to be treated with respect. It is short-sighted and counter-productive of activists to use tactics and language which have the effect of eroding public support for initiatives aimed at turning around the very situation that the activists are complaining about.

    http://johnkey.co.nz/archives/1592-Waitangi-Day-Speech.html

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  2. Viking2 (10,709 comments) says:

    ah nothing like waiting for Granny at the Gate.
    Used to do that when I was a toddler.

    Key may have made that promise but he is entitled in the light of both new information and disrespect to change his mind as long as he makes it clear to everyone why.
    He went some of the way to doing that.

    Its not a day of dialogue its a day or propaganda. Everything that can be said there has already made the courts.

    The other 87% (no make that 80% to allow for the racist followers) of kiwi’s are totally over this shit and frankly are sick of funding it from the taxpayer purse.

    Have to agree With Winston for once. Totally sick of people like the half breed Irish Maori’s of this country throwing crap over everyone else. ( Harawira’s, O’Regan’s. and so on)

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  3. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Well, give your television screens a wide berth this evening on and around 6:00pm, because they will be adorned with images of spitting, shouting, mud-throwing, corpulent, utterly disrespectful moko’ed malcontents waving the Tino Rangatiratanga around.

    I gave up on this cringe inducing fiasco of a “day of national celebration” years ago.

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  4. rg (190 comments) says:

    Waitangi day is the 6th Feb and the commemorations are held at the Treaty Grounds. The Te Ti Marae is not at the Treaty grounds it is down the road. What happens there on the day before Waitangi is just their own private thing to which the PM goes.

    The TReaty grounds are often referred to as the upper Marae but it is not a Marae at all. The PM should go there on the 6th Feb and be part of the Nation’s commemoration. There is no need to go to this troublesome marae down the road.

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  5. Elaycee (4,066 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day is once a year. They could have raised this issue months ago to try and get an agreement. Trying to change things at the last minute was always going to end badly.

    But early resolution [who is to lead the PM etc] would not provide the narcissist Harawira tribe with the opportunity to have their fleeting moment in the spotlight – and sure enough, because of this latest spat we give the Harawiras oxygen again…

    The Harawira family not only seeks the spotlight – they thrive on it. Its long overdue they are consigned to their rightful place in history: To forever be remembered as a bitter bunch of dissidents who use Waitangi Day / Dominion Day / New Zealand Day / whatever we want to call it, as a catalyst for self promotion.

    There were many things I did not like about the Head Grinch but her decision to opt out of the Waitangi ‘celebrations’, was IMO, correct.

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  6. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  7. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Polly black with a wog vengeance
    Are you a New Zealand citizen?

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  8. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “because they will be adorned with images of spitting, shouting, mud-throwing, corpulent, utterly disrespectful moko’ed malcontents waving the Tino Rangatiratanga around.”

    Yep, and this is not “freedom of speech”, it is Bolshevism and if Key and National had any guts and the cops were not controlled by PC wimmen, these cowardly bastards would be taken out for assault and various other applicable charges.

    Key too is a spineless PC wimp for putting up with it. Its characteristic of his whole Prime Ministership. Just do sweet fuck all and roll with the tide. Remain popular. Send out the message, the (fake) Maoris own NZ and if you don’t like it, fuck off to Australia.

    Who cares? Not Key, smiling and waving and checking off his bucket list items while the country goes down the drain. He’s going to Honolulu when he’s finished wrecking NZ.

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  9. Viking2 (10,709 comments) says:

    Tribes talk further payouts

    By Yvonne Tahana
    5:30 AM Wednesday Feb 6, 2013

    Tainui and Ngai Tahu, first to settle with Crown in 90s, entitled to relativity payments.
    The Prime Minister said the Te Hiku grouping of potentially five iwi was worth $200 million alone

    Waikato-Tainui and Ngai Tahu have received Crown Treaty payments totalling $138 million but are entering into an arbitration process because the tribes believe the payments are at the lower limit of their entitlement.

    Cash landed in iwi bank accounts in December. For the North Island tribe the figure was $70 million, for Ngai Tahu $68 million. The sums are linked to their historic settlements – the two were the first to settle in the 1990s.
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    long suffering taxpayers fleeced again.
    Perhaps this is why we no longer respect Waitangi day?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&objectid=10863705

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  10. Viking2 (10,709 comments) says:

    Sir Henry calls for windup of Tainui parliament.

    By James Ihaka
    5:30 AM Wednesday Feb 6, 2013

    Former Fonterra chairman Sir Henry van der Heyden has called for an end to in-fighting among Waikato Tainui members while proposing a radical shake-up of its tribal governance structures.

    Sir Henry spoke to a gathering at Turangawaewae Marae in Ngaruawahia yesterday at a hui-a-iwi (iwi meeting) called by the Maori King, Tuheitia, where he likened ongoing fighting between tribal members to bickering among farmers and top-heavy dairy co-operatives when he began as Fonterra’s chairman in the early 2000s.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&objectid=10863704
    __________________________
    A bit of truthful talk.
    Just like what is needed elsewhere among the Waitangi Treaty Followers.

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  11. David Garrett (5,120 comments) says:

    At last you are getting it DPF…this disgraceful performance will continue as long as the PM and others give it oxygen. When Clark very sensibly declined to go and be insulted each year, and instead attend various marae around the country where she was welcomed, the coverage of the shenanigans at Waitangi was much reduced.

    This “making the honkey wait” is not new; 25 years ago Sir David Beattie as GG waited considerably more than an hour for those who supposedly wanted to engage with him on “grievances” to do so. He waited in vain.

    As my (Ngapuhi) friend Northland Wahine said yesterday, until the organizers are willing to sideline the “mad cow” Harawira and her unpleasant and destructive whanau, this disgrace will be an embarrassment to Maori, and a piece of ritual masochism to which neither the PM nor the GG should subject themselves. (sorry Wahine, I have interpolated a little there!)

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  12. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Naturally Griff. Why do you ask?

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  13. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Key is actually a fool who blabs his mouth off and then gets stuck in positions he can’t control or then leaves himself no room to manoeuvre. Old age pensions and the promise to recover the miners come to mind.

    On Maori and Waitangi he’s out of touch with 80% of this country.

    I think it’s ironic and rather funny that his flagship policy ,partial asset sales ( even that is a half measure) is being stymied by the very people he has spent so much time sucking up to.Where’s it got him?

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  14. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Because you are a Polly and such our constitutional arrangements and the question of maori is not of you fucken business.
    That will not stop your pathetic trolling but shows up your stupid position.
    Do you work at gainful employment or are you sucking on the whiteys tit.

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  15. David Garrett (5,120 comments) says:

    Griff: I think you will find that BWAV is in fact as white as you and me…he/she just enjoys winding us all up…

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  16. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    I take a different view on this. I spent most of last week in Northland (in and around Kerikeri and Kaikohe; Harawira territory) on business. The welcome extended could not have been more warm and hospitable. There was no anger, no trouble, and this white boy and his white wife were treated with the utmost courtesy.

    We ventured over to Paihia and Waitangi one evening. There was no sign of any racial divide anywhere, including around Te Tii Marae and the Treaty Grounds, where we stopped for a wander. We were of course a week early.

    All the stuff that went down at the lower marae yesterday and in past years is nothing more than political posturing by a small but vocal and politically motivated minority. Politicians could opt to stay away from Waitangi, but that is giving in to the minority in my view. It’s time for those who run Te Tii Marae to restore the mana of their spiritual home, and to tell those who demean that mana that they are no longer welcome there if they cannot comply with marae protocol.

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  17. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Jus keep kissin marri arse boy, you’ll be fine.

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  18. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    Will the GG Jerry Mataparae be shown disrespect as the official representative of the Queen?

    I would hope not. He is a man of considerable mana and deserves respect.

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  19. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    The last time he was here

    He had a monumental brain melt down were his posts became foaming at the mouth.

    He lost the plot and he knows it.

    Cracker is a Americanism in reference to the whips of slavers.

    Maori are the only group that historically used salves in New Zealand.

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  20. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Here’s a quote from a post on Whale Oil-

    It’s national embarrassment day up here. The last day or so I’ve been watching van load after van load of over weight brown trash moving North at about 70k. Internal affairs pay for the hire of all the equipment they need to camp out, ie: tents, matresses, blankets cooking gear, etc etc. I’m reliably informed about 80% of this gear doesn’t come back – even portaloos go missing! It’s jackpot time for the local hire companies, the government just pays up no questions asked.

    Where’s the fucking law enforcement?

    Where’s that really brave stand up and kick em down chick who crushes the cars of boy racers?

    She on holiday or something?

    Or maybe this is just a bit harder than dealing to pimply faced white boys, and best just swept under the carpet.

    Our politicians are a bunch of spineless wimps who would like cowards look the other way and thereby betray all law abiding NZers.

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  21. big bruv (12,348 comments) says:

    Yeah Redbaiter…imagine how much more fun Waitangi day would be if we had the same stupid liberal gun laws as they have in the USA.

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  22. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    gump

    The GG has already been treated to some stone age theatrics there the other day. One of the semi naked Titiwhai offspring ran at another group of semi naked stick swingers and a scuffle ensued.

    GG went on tele to say it was a misunderstanding.

    Fuck me ,they all want to make excuses for this farce.

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  23. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Hmm yes…salves.

    You’ll need a good one if you burn your asscrack Griff.

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  24. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    So key thinks he will go down in history as “The PM who was brave enough to attend waitangi every year”

    I think its more “the PM who was STUPID enough to attend……..”

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  25. tvb (3,938 comments) says:

    They are very poor hosts to the various dignitaries that vist. Quite often the distinguished guest is insulted and worse. Ngapuhi are a bunch of amateurs. The harawra woman could be easily dealt by taking away her crutches and making the dreadful old harridan crawl.

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  26. thor42 (770 comments) says:

    @Viking2 – “Its not a day of dialogue its a day or propaganda. Everything that can be said there has already made the courts.

    The other 87% (no make that 80% to allow for the racist followers) of kiwi’s are totally over this shit and frankly are sick of funding it from the taxpayer purse.”

    *** A – bloody – men! *** Viking2 for PM!!!

    I agree with Barry. By attending, the PM shows he has no BALLS.

    If he refused to attend, refusing to go along with the PATHETIC charade – he would be PM for life.

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  27. thor42 (770 comments) says:

    The Harawiras (and the other griever Maori) need to be
    **publicly humiliated**.

    At the moment, it is THEY who are doing the humiliating.

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  28. Dave Mann (1,126 comments) says:

    ONE DAY we will have a government with the balls and good sense to cancel this farcical Waitangi Day as our national holiday and have a 2 or 3 year respite and in the meantime hold a binding referendum on the day which the people can choose to celebrate our nationhood.

    This idiotic Maori bullshit day has gone far enough. There are millions of European, Indian, Polynesian and Asian New Zealanders in this country and their values, cultures and hard work are what has built New Zealand. When is THEIR national day?

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  29. dime (8,751 comments) says:

    Jk should have walked off after 40 mins

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  30. mikenmild (8,778 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day is our national day, and will remain so. There is no better day to celebrate our nation that the anniversary of the signing of the foundation document – one that stands as a symbol for the accommodation of two peoples in one land.

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  31. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    It’s a chance for dialogue and discussion

    The time for that has long since passed.

    Where dialogue may once have centred on redressing legitimate grievances, it now centres on an ugly campaign for racial privilege, and the creation of an apartheid-like nation state.

    New Zealanders of all ethnicities should brave the abusive retorts and thoroughly reject both the aspirations of the Maori elite, and the duplicity of the politicians who sell our sovereignty for a few votes.

    We are one nation, one people.

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  32. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    @BwaV
    I’ve told you this before. You are not black. Blacks are of African descent. If you have Maori in you, then you are Polynesian, who ultimately came from Taiwan.

    “Blacks” as you racistly call them, are an incredibly genetically diverse group of ethnicities from all over Africa and many have been there for 200,000 years. Some of these people were taken as slaves and became property of (generally European) people in America – that is an important part of American history. (Obviously there was plenty of slavery already in Africa itself.) The African slaves were chained up, whipped, murdered and raped. Even once slavery was abolished in the US, blacks were still treated terribly for many years, forced to sit in different sections of the bus, different drinking fountains, etc. They’ve done it tough.

    In NZ, we have Maori, which you pretend to be. They arrived here a few hundred years before Europeans. Rather than killing or enslaving, the British settlers engaged in trade, and bought basically worthless (at the time) land for useful supplies (blankets and muskets), in a country that many were basically tricked to coming to. Since then, the European settlers developed the country further. Maori have had it easy compared to the ancestors of many African Americans.

    You are not black. You cannot use words like “cracker” or “nigger”, because they are not your words to use.

    I agree that white people are harming Maori. Creating special privileges and encouraging a culture of dependence is harm. Letting (all races of) dangerous criminals out of prison after an absurdly short sentence harms Maori disproportionately. (Uncle Bully would have been back in the pub in 3 years to rape again.)

    You are despicable. I think you are a racist. I wonder if you’re just a troll. You are a piece of shit.

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  33. Psycho Milt (1,974 comments) says:

    When the PM was Opposition Leader he said he would attend Waitangi Day at Waitangi as Prime Minister, for as long as he was PM. He has kept his word…

    Sure. It’s not the first time the country’s interests have come second to John Key’s bottomless self-satisfaction and probably won’t be the last. If he’s willing to avoid doing anything about superannuation funding on the basis that he promised not to however many years ago, why wouldn’t he be willing to fund and promote this embarrassing annual spectacle at Waitangi on the basis that he said he would?

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  34. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    He had a monumental brain melt down were his posts became foaming at the mouth.

    He lost the plot and he knows it.

    Bahahahahaha

    Pot………Kettle………Black

    U too funny Griff

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  35. Viking2 (10,709 comments) says:

    Well Phsyco I supose its about the same as buying your own Trainset really isn’t it. Both are bloody stupid.

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  36. gracious (11 comments) says:

    uh oh, must have logged into the KKK site in error, judging from the misinformed vitriolic diatribe being spouted in here.

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  37. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Hahaha…comedy gold in that post of yours tristanb.

    Thanks for the laughs!

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  38. Manolo (12,622 comments) says:

    I wonder if you’re just a troll. You are a piece of shit.

    He is. A black turd, indeed.

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  39. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    It wasn’t “almost an hour”. And it was even less the “hour” the wait had become by the end of the same lead-story paragraph. This is a very Maori form of argument creep.

    As in for example – when I first came to NZ, Maori had been here for about 600 years. Since then, Maori went for a subtle change to it being 700 years. When this went unchallenged, the standard became 800 years. Then we routinely got 1,000 years. Now it is standard for a Maori to say, over a thousand years.

    So what’s next, was the PM kept waiting for “over an hour” or was it 40 minutes? What exactly was wrong with saying “40 minutes”? Is the story made any less important by actually telling the truth?

    All that said, 40 minutes was a disgrace. We are far too polite to Maori when this sort of thing happens. And politeness in this context is another way of saying “politically correct”. Because they are Maori, they can do no wrong.

    Well Maori crapped on our PM. F*ck Maori for crapping on our PM. F*ck the rest of us for ignoring it, and because it is Maori, pretending it didn’t happen.

    Another example of the Maorification of everything.

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  40. UpandComer (496 comments) says:

    Tristan is right – Maori aren’t black, Polynesians aren’t Black – they’re brown. There is nothing more pathetic then a Maori who talks like a 50 cent MTV video as their everyday speech. All those stupid mannerisms and attitudes aren’t Maori, and that story isn’t the Maori story.

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  41. UpandComer (496 comments) says:

    Isn’t it disgraceful. It’s all good though. 90% of Maori are embarrassed by the embarrassment too. The other’s vote for Hone

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  42. Northland Wahine (542 comments) says:

    I ask myself, is it the treaty we are celebrating or the place? Move the celebrations until Te Tii kaumatua have dealt with the mad cow and her spawn for good.

    The hypocrisy of the harawira gang, and yes, they behave like a gang, is astounding. They treat their own Iwi that disagree with them, the same way they accuse pakeha of treating Maori.

    It’s about time the tribe showed they same contempt the harawira, shame them, spit on them, shun them.

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  43. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    What about wiggers UpandComer?

    More or less pathetic ?

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  44. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    And btw it’s not maorification…it’s polynization

    Were just restoring the natural order in this part of the world!

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  45. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    The sense of Maori entitlement starts at the top and as long as the Maori seats are enshrined in legislation we will never see a stop to the same year in year out bullshit we’re constantly exposed to.
    The Gweens have shown how to work the MMP system, under a true MMP system a Maori or even 2 Maori parties could crack the 5% threshold & give true representation to their people & the Bradfords, Mintos etc of the world.

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  46. Komata (971 comments) says:

    BTW:

    Re: ‘Were just restoring the natural order in this part of the world!’

    Then you will presumably have no problems about handing absoultely everything you own over to the Polynesian’s (and Maori’s) direct anscestors, the Chinese, as they are arriving in their hordes; all in the interest of ‘fairness’ and ‘just to correct the natural order in this part of the world ‘, you understand…

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  47. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 10:59 am said: … blah, blah … “the signing of the foundation document”

    We have to stop this incessant arrant propaganda and nonsense . THE TREATY WAS NOT our founding document. The treaty simply set the stage for Maori to not oppose the British applying British law to the islands of “Nu Tirani”.

    Then, in the following month, as a result of the above having taken its natural path:

    On On 21 May 1840 William Hobson proclaimed British sovereignty over all of New Zealand, the North Island on the basis of cession through the Treaty of Waitangi and the southern islands by ‘right of discovery’.

    21 May 1840 was the day that New Zealand was established and proclaimed. This was our “foundation” event, not the treaty.

    Call 21 May Proclamation Day, or call it Foundation Day, or call it New Zealand Day (but please don’t call it Aotearoa Day because Aotearoa at the time was the name of the “North Island”). Call it whatever you want. But the proclamation of New Zealand as a British Colony is what “founded” this country, not the treaty which only laid the groundwork for ending (a) the incessant Maori killing of Maori; (b) slavery; and (c) cannibalism, in New Zealand.

    Expect to hear me preach this often. We will eventually get this point across, and we will eventually reverse the Maorification of Everything.

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  48. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Harawira Senior was convicted of torturing Maori mental health patients. Harawira Junior was part of a group that beat up some Canterbury University students in a racially motivated attack. Maybe Kyle Chapman and a few skinheads could assault, imprison and torture some Maori and then they could host the PM for next year’s Waitangi Day celebrations in Christchurch?

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  49. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    By a natural process of negotiation and traditional interbreeding I trust we will come to a mutually beneficial arrangement with our Chinese cuzzies, Komata.

    They are after all only reasserting their natural dominance in the new world order of things.

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  50. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Hahaha…comedy gold in that post of yours tristanb.

    You think slavery, rape and murder of Africans is funny? You really are shit.

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  51. Paulus (2,295 comments) says:

    The combination of bad manners and television only add to the disgraceful lower Marae behaviour by only some people.

    Cameras particularly give “voice” and “air” to the stupid Harawera (part maori Hadfield family).

    The other part maori Peter Sharples suggests only the Treaty Ground ceremony should be used. Forget the lower Marae.
    Sounds like sage advice.

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  52. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    Not the following month, sorry, February to May is not the following month.

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  53. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “Expect to hear me preach this often. We will eventually get this point across, and we will eventually reverse the Maorification of Everything.”

    Good information, but nothing will change unless you do something about the National Party, who should be the ones saying this, but in fact just repeat the same bullshit as the Labour party.

    There is perhaps one difference, and that is that the Nats do it with slightly more forelock tugging subservience.

    Until we get at least one political force in the chamber prepared to full on confront this crap, nothing will change.

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  54. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Dream on tropicana…you won’t be reversing anything.

    You and your kind had your chance and failed. Now fall back and let us assimilate your culture and breed your ‘race’ out of existence.

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  55. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Not seen Django Unchained yet tristanb?…need to rip yourself some new peepholes in your hood so you can see things more clearly.

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  56. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    bwav, breed us out of existence? Worse things have happened in history. I’m sure you could learn a few things from the Zimbabwe lessons. Breed us out of existence? And go back to stealing each other’s land, rape, cannibalism, slavery, killing each other by the thousands. Enjoy yourselves. Actually, sounds like you would love this, bwav. Breed us out of existence? Good luck with the remnants. Chinese would take you over in minutes.

    I seem to recall one Maori leader a Century and a half ago, who sold land in what is now called Auckland, later threatening to kill off every white person who lived there. He failed too, because he was a raving dangerous lunatic, and so will you, bwav.

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  57. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Play the long game Tropicana. It’s what weve always done.

    Check ya birthrates!

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  58. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    Redbaiter at 12:44 pm said: “Good information, but nothing will change …”

    One problem “we” have is defeatists who by reflex action, think it cannot be done, Redbaiter, and say so before engaging their brains. Damn you for your reflex action. Are you with “us” or against us, Redbaiter. If you are with “us” then don’t by reflex, by bad natural instinct, by habit, oppose us. If you are with “us” then be novel and positive and courageous enough to support what I said, not by reflex, poo-poo every damned suggestion, even the positive ones. Stop the negativity, New Zealand. Stop opposing everything. Have the balls to support something good when you see it.

    That said, “we” have to stop the Maorification of Everything.

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  59. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Not seen Django Unchained yet tristanb?…need to rip yourself some new peepholes in your hood so you can see things more clearly.

    I may have seen the dvd screener way before it was out at the movies, maybe. You know it wasn’t a documentary, right? Either way, I didn’t see too many Polynesians in it.

    Besides, you are the racist one – you seem to think you’re better than other races, when that is clearly not the case. I’m not sure why I’m replying. You’re doing that thing that chemist-robber philu does, which is just say shit without actually addressing any points. Many of your friends have had sex with your fat mother. I don’t know if you’re a troll – I imagine some white unshowered bearded leftie in a commie hat, and a thick jacket, delighting over your derailing of the comments here.

    But you are valueless, and the world would be a better place you.

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  60. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance at 12:51 pm said: … Check ya birthrates!

    Correct. I have. And “we” will soon “check” the Maori birthrate. We stop you lot from breeding brown babies to be paid for by white hard work, at my lot’s expense, and you’ll soon stop what’s causing it. Checked the migration rates, lately, including export of Maori out of NZ, bwav, because of Maori like you?

    End the Maorification of Everything New Zealand.

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  61. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Ahhh…the good old days tropicana, but no…there ain’t no going backwards!

    China might take over your bit of NZ but with the checks and balances held by Maori through the treaty we should be able to guarantee at least a measure of self determination.

    You’re welcome.

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  62. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    It’s not about ‘race’ tristanb. Until you stop flogging that dead horse you won’t be moving with the times anytime soon.

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  63. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    What ya gonna do tropicana? Cruise the streets at night with ya cracka ass mates mutilating pregnant Maori women?

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  64. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Or maybe chopping of Polynesian dick is more up your alley tropicana?

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  65. thor42 (770 comments) says:

    @BwaV – “…with the checks and balances held by Maori through the treaty we should be able to guarantee at least a measure of self determination.”

    Ahhh, I see. That would be exactly the same kind of race-based “self-determination” that the Afrikaaners had in South Africa.

    Apartheid, in other words. Naughty, naughty…. that’s RAAAAAAY-cist.

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  66. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Its about democracy.
    One man one vote.
    Not the unelected leaders of one group only defined by its ancestors having any say in the running of our country beyond the ability to vote as a citizen.
    Maori have a chance to vote in the present MMP system and have their views present in parliament and councils.

    Overwhelmingly the maori vote on both rolls does not go to the likes of the Mana party.
    even among maori such views as they represent are a small minority.

    The present panel reviewing our constitutional arrangements is loaded to present a pro treaty view of New Zealands future.
    That will cement even more tribal power into our democratic process.
    They are spending more to consult with maori as they are to consult the other 85% of us gives you their view on the voices that count

    This obvious distortion of democracy is not going to encourage a people united to progress our nation it will encourage privilege based on race and tribal distinctions.

    Even if the jacked panel is ignored it will set precedent that will be howled at waitangi for the next generation

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  67. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    By ‘we’ holding checks and balances thor42, I mean nzers on the whole, not specifically Maori, and for the benefit of the country as a whole.

    Kind of a bit different to your saffa mates, don’t ya think?

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  68. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    By all means reap your short term profits from pimping your bullshit free market private enterprises but thank fuck the treaty will stop the govt from selling off the rest to foreign interests eh what?

    Guarantees there’ll still be National Parks and lakes and all that choice kiwi stuff we grew up taking for granted as ours.

    Nz’s debt to Maori cant just be neasured in $$$

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  69. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    “Guarantees there’ll still be National Parks and lakes and all that choice kiwi stuff we grew up taking for granted as ours.”

    Does that include the National Parks and Beaches that us ‘Pakeha’ aren’t allowed onto by ‘Tangata Whenua’?

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  70. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    “Nz’s debt to Maori cant just be neasured in $$$”

    We don’t owe Maori anything. Nothing at all.

    If anything Maori should owe us (the NZ taxpayer) for all the benefits they hoover up, and the cost of keeping so many of them in prison….

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  71. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Maori dept can not be ignored ether
    Going from constant warfare to peace in a generation
    Stavation maori did not live in a cornucopia of plenty they subsisted on a merge diet with few palatable sources of stable food
    Transport Dug out canoe vrs horse, rail, sailing vessels and steam.
    The future does not lie in the part tribal state
    This country has and is being built by all citizens under a democratic govertment.

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  72. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Maybe talk to Tuhoe about whats owed longknives and get back to us yeah?

    Or how about bashing the mentally ill and elderly for all the benefits they hoover up instead ?

    Or consequently just shut the fuck up?

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  73. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Democracy in its infancy was the domain of rich white men and that legacy still exists Griff.

    And your one Maori generation transition to peace is a myth also.

    Given an even playing field Pasifikans can succeed. The thing is we need to even the field first and play by our own rules.

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  74. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    Mentally ill and the elderly don’t have a choice BWAV…

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  75. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Try wandering uninvited onto Alan Gibbs privately owned beach longknives and report back on the welcome you’ll get then let’s talk about ownership rights eh ?

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  76. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Neither do Maori in most cases longknives. What choice did Tuhoe have?

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  77. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Being eaten?

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  78. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    “Neither do Maori in most cases longknives.”

    Why? Are they not capable of getting themselves an education and a job?

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  79. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Sure longknives, but its that much harder and back in the day it was even harder to rise above your station in life., You tended to hit the glass ceiling in your job pretty damn fast if you weren’t one of the old boys.

    Pasifikans need to pretty much start a business now to guarantee a job for life and even that is no easy ask. Try getting venture capital from a white banker if you ain’t white.

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  80. thedavincimode (6,111 comments) says:

    Try getting venture capital from a white banker if you ain’t white.

    Is it more difficult than if you are white, don’t have an education, don’t have skills, don’t have any sort of credible track record, don’t have an idea that can be commercialised or that doesn’t have the commercial potential sufficient to warrant the time to even offer you tea and biscuits? Been turned down have we?

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  81. Psycho Milt (1,974 comments) says:

    China might take over your bit of NZ but with the checks and balances held by Maori through the treaty we should be able to guarantee at least a measure of self determination.

    Because the Chinese govt is famous for its integrity, perhaps? Well known for its support of local autonomy for indigenous people? Renowned for its generous willingness to honour treaties it wasn’t a party to? All of the above?

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  82. Azreal (15 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, I appreciate your change in style and find myself agreeing with you and giving you a thumbs up more often than not.

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  83. Johnboy (13,383 comments) says:

    I suspect when the Chinks foreclose they will treat the treaty with the same respect they treated the Tibetan culture! :)

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  84. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Hah…nah DVM. I got more than enough skills to pay the bills:)

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  85. Johnboy (13,383 comments) says:

    As long as we Whitey’s keep picking up your ethnic tab I suspect Darkie with a Gripe! :)

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  86. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    I suspect you’d fit the profile of a kiddie fiddler Johnboy… :p

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  87. Johnboy (13,383 comments) says:

    Your skill’s don’t extend to the technicalities of organising a colon and associated lettering then Darkie? :)

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  88. Viking2 (10,709 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (878) Says:
    February 6th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Ahhh…the good old days tropicana, but no…there ain’t no going backwards!

    China might take over your bit of NZ but with the checks and balances held by Maori through the treaty we should be able to guarantee at least a measure of self determination.

    You’re welcome.
    ——————————————————————
    No ya won’t. You will sell it to them, this time around and then start some new rounds of Waitangi Claims to get it all back.
    some of your lot have had 3 or 4 dips at the purse already so why not. The Chows will probably send all their spare young males here to impregnate lots of your maidens, who are often not that discerning. That should fix it. Doing it all round the world because of the female Chow shortage. So are the Indians, so won’t be long before even your white mans blood will be watered down even more. Be a bit difficult to describe your even more fucked up ethnicity then. It was of course known as “pommersation cockaterrier” but that will change and become something like chinandianoari. Try saying that in 3 languages. :lol:
    What ya gunna do then?

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  89. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Learn mandarin and how to make a mean curry?

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  90. thedavincimode (6,111 comments) says:

    bwav

    I’m just not sure where you are coming from with some of this. Did the treaty confiscate Maori parental love and prohibit Maori from using pencils, paper and going to school? It was interesting that in his speech, Key referred to statistics suggesting that Maori contributed to about 2/3 to 3/4 (can’t recall exact statistics) of the shortfall in achieving the NCEA target. Did the treaty restrict Maori social assistance to 2/3 or 3/4 of the amount paid to Klerk’s penniless voting immigrants. Why can the kids of parents who came here from a mud hut in Somalia learn stuff? Are their parents being bribed to be parents!!?? Shock, horror, scandal etc …

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  91. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Go back about 8 generations and learn the history of Maori education in a climate of racism, euro cultural bias and perceived superiority then work your way forward to the present for your answers DVM.

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  92. thedavincimode (6,111 comments) says:

    bwav

    The only point in going back 8 generations is to find excuses. As for your bullshit “euro cultural bias”, it seems to be an affliction that affects only Maori based on the stats. As for your “perceived superiority”, it’s in the stats (eg NCEA and prison population). Or are you suggesting that good parenting involves sitting down with your kids and saying: “I gave up; you should too”? Or is it easier to just give them the biff?

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  93. V (660 comments) says:

    Oh this is too good. We expect Maori to sort out their social issues, beating of children etc and they can’t even decide who is going to accompany the Prime Minister. An hour wasted over such a trivial task does not suggest the capability to actually implement anything improtant.

    Whats that? Useless as tits on a bull.

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  94. duggledog (1,107 comments) says:

    It seems to me that Maori should enjoy the good times while they last because these are the good old days now, not the shit times so many are complaining about.

    Maori – and others – cost the country far more than just benefits and treaty claims. If there’s a cost in your budget you simply won’t address then one day it’ll be sorted for you. I don’t see anything getting better for Maori, with more and more people coming from proper poor countries all the time to shore up the tired old kiwi taxpayers. They don’t / won’t want to hear about it, and more to the point they don’t / won’t want their taxes spent on it.

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  95. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    They’re not excuses DVM. They’re reasons. And yes it primarily affects Maori here cos they’re the ones who got continually fucked over for multi generations on their own lands so don’t neccesarily see this as a land of opportunity anymore.

    And that euro cultural bias applied to migrating pasifikans to NZ, early Chinese immigrants and any other Pasifikan nation that got colonized by whitey.

    I would postulate it’s easier for Maori to succeed overseas than it is here and that probably accounts for the exodus to Oz. It’d be interesting to compare Mossie (Maori Aussie) stats on crime, violence, education and abuse with native Maori ones.

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  96. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    And good parenting doesn’t mean sitting down and saying lame shit to your kids from personal experience. It means showing them how to ‘do as you do and not as they say’ and giving reasons , not excuses for why shit is how it is, then trying to grow a culture of success.

    By the same token, if you’re conditioned to seeing your parents as dispossessed,second rate ,poverty stricken ,violent ,no hoping druggies as a child you’re pretty much fucked from the get go. In which case it takes exceptional offspring to break that cycle, not to mention having access to resources that enables them to even start.

    Monkey see monkey do.

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  97. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    black nob with a attitude of supplication.
    How did the maori do in schools before the magic cut of of eight generations

    Ahhhh no schools you say

    How do maori do over seas

    Those that I personal know that leave do far better once they remove themselves from maori culture

    dispossessed,second rate ,poverty stricken ,violent ,no hoping druggies

    well if you mean this is a victim mentality you are so right if you think like you say its probably because that is what you are

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  98. SPC (4,639 comments) says:

    Time to consider a flag change.

    The one at the Herald

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863680

    is getting close to the best compromise option.

    It’s fault is not being red white and black in colour – just change the blue in it to black (the white stars are seen on a black sky) and this about right.

    It leaves us with a separate and distinct sporting flag (silver fern on black) and a different look to the red white and black Maori sovereignty flag – but brings together both and also includes the southern cross of the existing flag.

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  99. UpandComer (496 comments) says:

    BMV mate, the successful Maori and the one’s leaving? My friend, they’re leaving because of you! You’re an embarrassment! Mid 1800′s, most of my relatives were either near starving to death on a repatriated potato field outside Derry, or they were catching small pox in Samoa from German traders, or they were suffering a pogrom. ‘None’ of their descendants get in an ugly mob and yell inchoate stupidities and show their bottoms and blame their ‘individual’ contemporary life outcomes on stuff that happened 200 years ago. Where is your respect for the National party? It’s the national party under Doug Graham and Chris Finlayson who have given the utmost respect and substantive effort to settling Maori grievances and trying to change the statistics. Hone is an incoherent thug, who is a complete waste of presence because he can’t escape his mother’s legacy, who can’t see past his Marxist paradigms. Winston Peters, if he didn’t like drinking so much and had a work ethic, would’ve been the Prime Minister by now. Do you understand that your attitude, is useless? Like utterly feckless? It’s not as if there aren’t a whole lot of successful Maori out there to emulate. But when you combine not only false class grievances with racial and cultural grievances I guess it makes for a BWAV. The Maori bullshit isn’t bullshit because it’s Maori, it’s bullshit because it’s bullshit, note the distinction? Why is it so hard for ‘some’ Maori, to just get on. I have a lot of respect for historical sociology having a bearing on present people, unlike most on here I know how the Maori Land Court under the colonial government was set up, and how indeed the system was designed to dispossess Maori of their possessions and culture. How fucking ever, that isn’t an excuse to be willingly stupid, and knowingly hopeless. The fact is, it’s the ‘useless minority’ that even Helen Clark accurately identified, who hold us all back, and more importantly themselves. The thing is, you are becoming more and more and more of a minority. Maori are getting richer as they should, and your own people are getting sick of your stupid shit. You need to shut your pie-hole and go jump through the same damn hoops that everyone else in the universe has to jump through.

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  100. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    I’m fucking Samoan you idiot and used to jumping through hoops dipshit so go fuck yourself ya pompous twat.

    Great post btw :)

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  101. Annebee (1 comment) says:

    I can`t help but reflect on my own experience, I had to go to a District Court to get some documents witnessed by the Registra, what I saw when walking through the waiting area for several court rooms would break anybody`s heart. It was packed with people, some family groups with little children sitting on the floor, some people outside having a smoke, but out of approximately 60 people there were maybe two white faces, the rest were Maori/Pacific Islanders. In contrast, that week I attended a free Parenting Program, not one Maori/Pacific Island person was there to learn positive parenting skills. What are those little kids learning from their parents? There are lots of alternatives to crime, one is not to use violence to solve problems. That is what I feel, Titiwhai Harawira used violence to solve her problem, what sort of role model is she?

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  102. UpandComer (496 comments) says:

    Haha true – post was pompous as hell, my bad.

    But if you’re sa why do you always go on as if you’re a Maori you dick, I didn’t know that.

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