Was it 10 votes against

February 11th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

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Then I was emailed by a reader who heard Katie Bradford-Crozier talking to Justin duFresne this morning on NewstalkZB. She said that int he leadership vote there were 10 abstentions.

This confirms what I have heard too from my Labour sources. Ten abstentions. 

Ten from a caucus of 34…nearly a third of the caucus abstained from voting. The actual percentage is 29% of ’s caucus refused to vote for him.

If correct, this means only 24 MPs voted for Shearer and the survival threshold was 21 MPs. Far from over-whelming.

Everyone in Labour knows Grant Robertson will become the next Leader. The only question is when.

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27 Responses to “Was it 10 votes against”

  1. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    What I’ll find interesting is how big the drop in the Pasifika Labour vote will be when Robertson becomes leader. They won’t like it.

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  2. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Everyone in Labour knows Grant Robertson will become the next Leader. The only question is when.

    Surely it will have to be before the election? Else he risks a redemption of Cunliffe (although the List probably structured to make sure his supporters miss out first) or Andrew Little.

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  3. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    DPF giving air (again) to the theory his mate Robertson is poised to become Leader of the socialists.

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  4. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    What’s the bet there will be a retaliatory post soon trying to talk up Joyce or Collins leadership.

    If Robertson has serious ambitions – and he is the only realistic contender at the moment – then he must surely make his move before next year’s election. Unless he has no confidence in a Labour win.

    If Labour fail again next year then of course Robertson is going to be ready to step up, he’s done a lot of the behind the scenes groundwork already.

    But if National slip and don’t have sufficient supporting parties and Shearer somehow puts togther the next Government then that should put on hold any leadership change for at least another three years.

    The mechanisms are in place to dump a Labour leader following an election but it would be madness to replace a newly elected Prime Minister having just ‘won’ an election and negotiated coalition agreements. Unless the leadership change for that scenario is seamless and already planned.

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  5. Cunningham (843 comments) says:

    The trainwreck that is Labour rolls on.

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  6. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    @Cunningham
    Sounds more like the Costa Concordia

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,848 comments) says:

    “Everyone in Labour knows Grant Robertson will become the next Leader. The only question is when.”

    If I was Shearer I would watch my back side.

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  8. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    one problem with grant. he comes across as an elitist, smug asshole. he really is unlikeable.

    and thats before waitakere man and his brown religious buddies find out hes gay.

    no other labour leader has been able to get away with being openly gay. personally i couldnt care less, as long as they are honest about it.

    i think the only way GR wins an election is if labour are dominating in the polls. like 46%. even then they take a hit.

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  9. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    RRM is still rooting (eek :lol: ) for a Robertson/Cunliffe team at the top of Labour.

    Can’t see it happening but it would be a good mix of the gay labour stuff and the blue collar labour stuff. Might stop them going too far in either direction.

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  10. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    RRM – which one is blue collar?

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  11. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Blue collar, RRM? In your dreams.
    Please explain.

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  12. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    Cunliffe seems more interested in making the money stack up than most labourites, and he is not gay, those two features if they were well played ought to equate to more man-in-the-street support than Robertson could expect.

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  13. alex (304 comments) says:

    Regardless of your political views, it shouldn’t matter if he’s gay or not. I wouldn’t support him because he’s gay, nor would I oppose him because he’s gay. It doesn’t make a blind bit of difference to his economic policies, so who gives a shit? Focus on policy, not personal details.

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  14. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    alex – i think youll find most of us non-religious peeps here would be ok with a gay PM.

    we are allowed to discuss how it would effect the voter base though.

    or is that hate speech nowadays?

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  15. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    @RRM,

    I said last year that I thought Cunliffe would have been working on Grant Robertson to support him and remain as deputy leader. Robertson clearly doesn’t see that his plan needs him.

    Given that Cunliffe was 2 short* at the latest vote, it would appear Robertson was right. Now Cunliffe needs 5 defections to get to 18 to roll Shearer before the election. Probably not much chance of that.

    (Admittedly it is also doubtful that Robertson could get to 18 before the election either, which does mean he is open to risks from other contenders after losing the 2014 election.)

    * I say 2 short as Cunliffe had said he would vote for Shearer, which was a smart play.

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  16. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    so who gives a shit

    Like it or not, quite a lot of people. Could make the difference between winning and losing an election.

    Does Robertson see himself as unelectable? Is that why he has installed Shearer to get elected, install his own choice of staff in Shearer’s office and setting up a means of dumping the leader and taking over straight after the election?

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  17. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    PG – ya gotta wonder. it probably is the only way he would become PM. knife some other poor bastard.

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  18. RF (1,381 comments) says:

    I guess that “cuddles” Robertson is a better option than Mumbles Shearer. If he ever gets to be PM I am not sure how his partner Alf will be introduced to heads of state. Sounds like a sketch from Benny Hill coming up.

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  19. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    dime – someone somewhere in Labour must have a plan. On the surface they are like a focking fluck of headless ducks.

    Stuart Nash has just been at The Standard tagain, rying to convince them in PR speak to attack the enemies (Greens and National) and give the nice friend the Labour Party a free ride. He shows absolutely no understanding of the TS environment and sentiment, same for Clare Curran who attempted engagement yesterday.

    Wasn’t Nash supposed to be a promising up and comer shafted by the lamentable Labour list?

    Mind boggling mindless party parroting.

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  20. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Cunliffe blue collar….. Bwahahaha. The roast peacock eating, Herne Bay dwelling multimillionaire is blue collar.
    Robertson started his move the day mumbles was handed the leadership. The entire leaders office has been cleansed and Robertson has overseen the appointment of fellow travelers and supporters to every key position within the party. Mumbles is a man alone, with no support or mates helping him. He is a dead man walking.

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  21. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    This gem from Nash is part of a comment intended to placate the activists who have been attacking Shearer and the likes of Zetetic:

    “One thing I would say is that the Greens are endlessly bashing Labour, and they have publicly acknowledged that their votes predominately come from traditionally Labour voters. Yes, they are likely to be Labour’s coalition partner in a 2014 government, however, that doesn’t mean we let them have a free ride at Labour’s expense. Personally, I think a number of the Green’s ideas are nutty and others just plain impracticable, and they need to be held to account along with all parties vying for labour’s votes and voters.”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/hatin-on-the-left/#comment-587325

    So reminiscent of a similar whinge by Clare Curran on Red Alert, where then got resoundingly dumped on by her own Labour supporters.

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  22. BeaB (2,119 comments) says:

    I have a couple of problems with Robertson. First of all, he is a Wellington chardonnay socialist. I doubt he has wider appeal and we are all over the smug, Labour, smarty pants attitude to politics.

    Perhaps we are ready for an openly gay leader but I think a PM needs to have a stake in the future of the country, not just their own future, through their own kids. Single people living a reasonably carefree, comfortable single life cannot possibly understand life for families and the concerns parents have, however much they pretend they do.

    Interesting at the moment though that Shearer is getting just about everything he wants. Perhaps he is being given lots of rope in the hope he will hang himself with it.

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  23. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    It almost looks like, having given up on Red Alert after Mallard and Curran strangled it with paranoia about perceived criticism, Labour leadership are making a move on The Standard. Are they attempting a takeover?

    Funny they should use Clare Curran, competing with public lefty enemy number with Mallard at The Standard. And then sending in Stuart Nash, ex Shearer chief of staff. A flurry of failures.

    Labour’s Standard coup to Red Alert 2?

    Oblivious to their failings.

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  24. alex (304 comments) says:

    @ Dime – I’m just saying its the first thing people mention, often when talking about how unelectable Robertson would supposedly be. As a result nobody seems to have the faintest clue where he sits ideologically, if he supports a Cunliffe style social democrat programme, if he’s on the right of the party, if he’d be a pragmatic PM, even his style of leadership. As moderately well informed, politically involved individuals, perhaps we should discuss that once in a while.

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  25. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Did you know if Helen Clark was out of the closet, she would have been the first lesbian Head of State in the world? I can’t believe she would have turned that down, given her (straight-woman-like) tears when Shipley became our first woman PM. So for that reason I believe Helen is heterosexual. Anyway, this woman beat her to it: Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir.

    Robertson, unfortunately for him, will also miss out on a world’s first if Labour throw him a bone and National does something really dumb. Elio Di Rupo of Belgium was the first elected gay male PM in 2011.

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  26. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    I’m thinking Hipkins/Ardern. Skip a generation.

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  27. V (702 comments) says:

    Grant should just get off his Swiss Ball and make a challenge instead of looking like the Hobbit assistant to Gandhalf the ah-um memory challenged grey.

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