Colin Craig threatens The Civilian with defamation

April 24th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

This is so ridiculous that I thought the letter may itself be a parody, but it appears to be genuine.

The Civilian did a satirical piece on 22 April where they said:

Pakuranga MP Maurice Williamson is acknowledging that he looks pretty stupid this morning after a series of floods in the Nelson, Waikato and Bay of Plenty regions appeared to contradict his assertion that nothing bad would come of the passing of gay marriage legislation. …

Conservative Party Leader was among the first to point out the National MP’s mistake.

“Williamson likes to talk about big gay rainbows,” said Craig, “but it would help if he understood what the rainbow actually means. After Noah’s flood, God painted a giant rainbow across the sky, which was a message that he would never again flood the world, unless we made him very angry. And we have.”

Prime Minister John Key has reportedly reprimanded Mr. Williamson for being “a big idiot” and is considering removing some of his ministerial portfolios. Mr. Williamson has said that he would accept that, but was surprised to learn he had portfolios.

The bolded paragraph caused Colin Craig to launch defamation proceedings as he thought people may think he really said the words in the article. No, seriously.

The letter from Colin Craig’s lawyers say:

We are instructed that Colin Craig never made the Statement. It is a fiction created by you to make him look ridiculous and the use of quotation marks is designed to give it the appearance of fact. The Statement cannot be dismissed as satire in the circumstances, particularly when it is published alongside quotes from Maurice Williamson which we understand may largely be accurate.

makes everyone look ridiculous. It is a satire site. Only a moron would think Colin Craig really said those words.

The chance of a defamation law suit winning would be as close to zero as you can get. But the problem is defending such a lawsuit could cost you up to $100,000. And Mr Craig is a multi-millionaire. And Ben Uffindell is a just newly graduated student.

Colin Craig also tries to get some money out of Uffindell:

Mr Craig also seeks a contribution of $500 towards his legal costs and reserves all of his rights in respect of this matter.

It is a very sad day for democracy in New Zealand when an extremely wealthy political leader threatens an obviously satirical website for defamation, because they took the piss out of him.

The response from The Civilian is great, and is here.

And Danyl McLauchlan publishes a previously unknown interview with Colin Craig.

 

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220 Responses to “Colin Craig threatens The Civilian with defamation”

  1. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Craig was moaning about it on Firstline this morning. His position is so completely asinine that every Tom Scott cartoon would potentially be considered libel.

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  2. Harriet (4,726 comments) says:

    If Colin Craig was gay or Maori it wouldn’t be called ‘satire’!

    NZ should get rid of all double standards. Now!

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  3. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    And someone who seems to be representing the Conservatives is warning MSM (on blogs) not to mess with Colin Craig quotes.

    So it’s ironic that he then messed with a quote from me. Conservative warning to media

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  4. Colville (2,235 comments) says:

    The CCCP could fill a usefull niche in NZ pollytricks if only Craig would stop jamming if foot so firming in his mouth.

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  5. Nigel Kearney (957 comments) says:

    >Only a moron would think Colin Craig really said those words.

    Not true. It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between satire and the things that Colin Craig actually says.

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  6. Fletch (6,225 comments) says:

    It is a very sad day for democracy in New Zealand

    You mean the day when same sex marriage was voted in?
    That is what I considered a sad day for New Zealand.

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  7. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Reminds me of Donald Trump and his reaction to a suggestion made by comedian Bill Maher.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/donald-trump-drops-bill-maher-lawsuit_n_2999605.html

    Why are those on the Right so uptight?

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  8. Warren Murray (298 comments) says:

    CC’s defamation (bullying) response shows how unsuited he really is.

    Kind of reminds me of Winston as he is someone who is quick to threaten others with legal action.

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  9. davidp (3,570 comments) says:

    I don’t agree with this idea that lawyers just have to do what their clients say. There comes a point where “just following orders” is not a defence. In this case, Craig’s lawyer should have resigned on the basis that Craig was making the lawyer look like an idiot.

    But seriously… Colin Craig is unable to tell a blatantly obvious parody from reality, and therefore thinks that everyone else has the same problem. He is a profoundly stupid man.

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  10. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    Oh Dear!

    Mr Craig has certainly managed to draw attention to himself, and a quote that most of us would have missed, had he not circled it in red and highlighted it for us.

    Just to make sure no one misses out on seeing ‘the quote’, he bullies a broke Graduate – ensuring there will be enough comical dialogue to keep his name in the media for at least another couple of days.

    Not sure whether this is good politics or not, but it is certainly good humour.

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  11. xy (180 comments) says:

    Time to pull out

    http://weaselsthatlooklikecolincraig.tumblr.com/

    again.

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  12. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    ‘If Colin Craig was gay or Maori it wouldn’t be called ‘satire’!’
    Thanks Harriet.
    For. Fuck’s. Sake.
    I think you need to spend a wee bit more time with Maori and a little less time in introspection.

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  13. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    I get it.

    Because we don’t like Colin it’s OK to relentlessly bait,mock, insult,and lie about him .

    And when he seeks to protect his good name (that’s still OK in this democracy isn’t it) we will continue to ridicule him .

    And better still use a socialist approach to litigation and say the poor don’t have access to the law while the rich do. Interesting debating point that ,isn’t it?

    My message to the impoverished student (boo hoo) is the old “Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”.

    I hope the “rich prick” (we don’t like that when Key’s called it) Craig sues that guys’ arse off ,then the rest of the fucken proletarian commentariate will STFU with their lies along with the fucken lefty progressive MSM who hate conservatism so much.

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  14. georgebolwing (733 comments) says:

    The Citizen should have followed Private Eye’s approach, also known as the Arkell v. Pressdram approach, in which they sent the following letter to the solicitor of one Mr Arkell, who was also alledging defamation:

    “We acknowledge your letter of 29th April referring to Mr J. Arkell. We note that Mr Arkell’s attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: fuck off.”

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  15. LabourDoesntWork (287 comments) says:

    Very beta. Disappointing.

    What’s Craig gonna do when they accuse him of being a racissnaziperson for pointing out how high levels of Third Worlder immigration threatens NZ’s future; or of wanting to let children STARVE to DEATH by criticising the obvious failure of the welfare state to help the children of Maori and PI out of poverty?

    Could almost be time to join the National Party.

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  16. rangitoto (231 comments) says:

    @Ross69. Uptightness isn’t exclusive to the right. It tends to be more associated with ideologues. Plenty of uptight lefties you could get into trouble for criticising. Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot being good examples.

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  17. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig is unable to tell a blatantly obvious parody from reality”

    Well, he is unable to tell historical fables from reality so why should this be surprising?

    Zing!

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  18. davidp (3,570 comments) says:

    kowtow>I hope the “rich prick” (we don’t like that when Key’s called it) Craig sues that guys’ arse off

    Careful… You’ve called Craig a “rich prick”, and therefore you might be next to be sued. The fact that you’ve quoted it to show irony is no defence. The use of quotes is specifically mentioned as the reason Craig is having his childish tantrum about the Citizen. And if Craig is completely oblivious to satire then he certainly isn’t going to understand irony.

    My friend’s four year old daughter doesn’t understand satire. Neither does Colin Craig. She isn’t standing for parliament.

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  19. labrator (1,889 comments) says:

    Colin Craig Conservative Party, looking at early return from space

    Because we don’t like Colin it’s OK to relentlessly bait,mock, insult,and lie about him .

    Sensitive much? Did you entirely miss the ‘Hey clint’ meme from a few days ago? If you say something really dumb you should expect to get mocked for it.

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  20. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    The segment about Craig is more than just satire. It’s an Alinskyite smear designed to seed into people’s minds that he’s tantamount to Fred Phelps – because he’s guilty of the thoughtcrime of having an opposing opinion to the progressive PC agenda.

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  21. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    davidp (2,677) Says:
    April 24th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    My friend’s four year old daughter doesn’t understand satire. Neither does Colin Craig. She isn’t standing for parliament.

    ——————————–

    She should do, she can’t be any worse than what is on offer, and the bribes would be far less expensive. Most four year old’s can be bought with a chubba chub.

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  22. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    You’re at it again David.

    Using the tactics of the Left to attack/ridicule someone whom you dislike – which tactics you decry when they are used against your darling projects.

    Your slip is showing.

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  23. David Garrett (6,905 comments) says:

    kowtow: Bit over the top there old boy…as, sadly, is Colin’s reaction to a pretty obvious piece of satire. The Dim Post “interview” is also pretty funny…

    Note to Colin: No, I do not and never have believed that you were a sado-masochist, or that you would for one moment enjoy the practices which you are depicted as engaging in with some relish in the Dim Post article. Nor do I believe that you have any kind of dungeon – devoted to pleasure or otherwise – at the “Castle” off Rosedale Road from whence you lead the charge on behalf of the forces of right and justice.

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  24. Big Tim (20 comments) says:

    I wonder how this will effect the site traffic for the civilian. I politician making a fuss about a satire site must be the best advertising ever for them.
    Bit of an own goal for Colin here, he has made sure many more people read the article in question.

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  25. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    Over the top is the continuous attacks on Craig.

    They did the same thing to Brash to ensure his unelectablity when he was in the National party. And they succeeded .

    This is totalitarianism dressed up as humour.

    It’s not funny.

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  26. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Oh wow, all the Kiwiblog Labour lite progressives are rushing once again to beat up on Colin Craig.

    Smeared and misrepresented again, this time under the weak disguise of satire.

    This ugly cowardly little prick who writes the Civilian blog is no satirist. He’s just a cheap smear merchant without the wit to write satire.

    I criticised him for his smearing of David Shearer as an adulterer and I will criticise him for his indiscriminate use of quotes in this instance.

    He is lowlife. Colin Craig is by far the better person.

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  27. PaulL (6,013 comments) says:

    @Judith: I think it’s a chuppa chup, isn’t it? I’m worried that a chubba chub might be something entirely different than what you meant.

    @ross69: Key would one of the people least likely to take offence I can imagine. I don’t think you can generalise to the right. You could generalise to “tools take offence easily”, but then that’s kinda a tautology really, isn’t it?

    I’d be putting this in the category of social media fail. A satire site is like a going to a comedian’s show. And yes, they make shit up. That’s kinda what’s funny about it.

    I really like the way the Civilian has responded, not only following the letter of their request, but going above and beyond. I reckon that Colin will get sick of looking like an idiot and give up.

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  28. David Garrett (6,905 comments) says:

    totalitarianism…oh dear…

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  29. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    PMSL at the Dim Post interview. :-D

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  30. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    PMSL at the ease with which smug brain dead leftists are amused.

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  31. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    PaulL (5,141) Says:
    April 24th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    @Judith: I think it’s a chuppa chup, isn’t it? I’m worried that a chubba chub might be something entirely different than what you meant.
    ————————–
    Hmmm, you could be right, it’s been a while since I had to bribe any four year olds. Your spelling sounds much more decent! :-)

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  32. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,823 comments) says:

    It’s not as funny as when Helen Clark would literally freak whenever a journalist questioned her integrity. Walking out on a TV interview when asked about signed paintings, an Australian classic. I’m also sure “Little Creep” Campbell chuckles to himself over his earlier handy work regarding “Corngate”. If the Greens get into Government there will be plenty of fertile fields there.

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  33. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    David Garrett (3,595) Says:
    April 24th, 2013 at 11:08 am
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    Did you really have to ‘go there’.

    Now I’m stuck with a picture in my head of CC in leather, suspenders, wig and whip – and its almost lunch time. ;-)

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  34. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    How is Kolun Kwaig ever going to lead the country into righteous conservatism if a little bit of ribbing from humorist bloggers is too much for him to bear?

    Or is the guy a bit on the autistic spectrum, and just genuinely unable to read social cues?

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  35. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Quote from David Garret-

    ” Insert anything here that is a vicious smear of Garret, like for example a reference to his alleged “stealing of a dead baby’s identity”, and label it satire, and that makes it OK”.

    Braindead uncivilised pukes.

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  36. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    PMSL at the ease with which smug brain dead leftists are amused.

    Bullshit Weddy, you wouldn’t know how to laugh.

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  37. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig is by far the better person.”

    Yeah because threatening people with lawsuits for making fun of you (when the ‘you’ is a prominent and somewhat controversial politician) makes one ‘the better person’

    Tom Scott must drive you fucking bananas.

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  38. labrator (1,889 comments) says:

    I criticised him for his smearing of David Shearer as an adulterer and I will criticise him for his indiscriminate use of quotes in this instance.

    At least you are consistent in not having any sense of humour. After all indiscriminate quotes is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse.

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  39. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    PaulL and Judith – I think Chuppa Chups are the source product, chubba chubs are often the end product.

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  40. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    A chubba chub’s a penis with girth > length isn’t it?

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  41. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Can anyone imagine how this thin skinned moralistic nutter would survive the ‘robust’ exchanges our parliament is noted for?

    Poor Colin would spend half his life blubbing to Mummy or instructing his legal team. :)

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  42. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @RRM

    Na, that’s called a ‘chode’

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  43. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    I stand corrected.

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  44. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    RRM (6,974) Says:
    April 24th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    ————–

    God lord I hope not. I certainly would not be advocating bribing anyone with such an ‘item’ and certainly not someone in Mr Craig’s superior moral position. Clearly I need to spend more time examining the sweets, and less on the chocolate stand.

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  45. peterwn (3,233 comments) says:

    Trouble is, if you ask a lawyer for a solution to a problem, the lawyer will recommend a legal solution. The issue is in this sort of case is what is the best way of mitigating the problem, or even better how can you turn it into an opportunity. Colin totally messed it up.

    Davidp – a lawyer is obliged to follow it up, although the lawyer IMO should be obliged to warn the client of the wider consequences of taking legal action.

    Years ago, Bob Jones said that Air NZ hostesses were ‘ugly’. This required a response from Air NZ, but they did not go running off to lawyers. The then Air NZ chairman responded saying “There is nothing wrong with being called ugly by a toad”.

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  46. David Garrett (6,905 comments) says:

    “beat up on” Russell? Wouldn’t have had you down for a user of Americanisms old man…perhaps it was the exposure to all those good ol’ boys from the panhandle; relics of the days when the derricks were wood and the men were made of steel…

    Seriously now. I have met Colin Craig several times. I do not believe he is a religious nut. He is, probably, very politically naive, and I wonder at his ability to recognise that his advisors may not see that catching the 2-3% religious vote is already a given; it is the rest of us he needs to target. I am on record here as saying I disagree strongly with “marriage equality”, and see clearly what is ahead of us – indeed just this morning on one of the major news sites is an item presaging the next step, “marriage” among polyamorous groupings.

    All of that said, Colin’s reaction to what is clearly a bit of satire – not up to Russell’s standard it’s true, but satire nonethelss – is unwarranted, and alienates the very market he needs to become a significant political player. (He’ll never get Russell on side of course, Craig is clearly nowhere near hard enough for him)

    A “chode”? Well I never, I must alter my ad…

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  47. cha (3,918 comments) says:

    He’s bottled it.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/133457/defamation-threat-withdrawn

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  48. Ed Snack (1,827 comments) says:

    Generally, both sides are correct here. This is part of a deliberate campaign to make Craig look like a fuckwit, satire does exempt one from having that aim at all. But Craig’s response to it almost proves the original charge.

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  49. Keeping Stock (10,246 comments) says:

    Even though I’m thousands of miles away, Red’s spluttering outrage and indignation at someone DARING to mock his hero Colin Craig almost caused me to spill my breakfast-time cups. Not that Mr Craig needs anyone to help him in the mocking process; he’s proving very adept at doing that all by himself. His motives may be pure, but Craig’s inability to communicate without foot in mouth syndrome will kill him in politics.

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  50. davidp (3,570 comments) says:

    God spoke to me last night while I was watching television. He told me that Colin Craig often prays for God to send some hunky men to his home so that they can rub oil on Craig’s naked body and then give him an oily hand job. God instructed me to let the world know what Craig asks for, and threatened me with lightning bolts and eternal damnation if I did not do so.

    I’m only the messenger here. I’m sure that Craig won’t sue someone who is doing the Lord’s work. Will Craig send a threatening letter to God, including a demand for $500? I presume so, otherwise I’ll assume that God was telling the truth

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  51. Matthew Hooton (128 comments) says:

    Yet more evidence that CCCP is not going to help National get a third term.

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  52. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    It’s been reported that Craig has withdrawn his threat, having made his point.

    Many others have made their point too. I hope Colin has learnt something from it.

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  53. David Garrett (6,905 comments) says:

    Oh Moses…Captain Sensible’s batman has spoken…day off from the plant Pete? What is it you do for a living again?

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  54. lastmanstanding (1,261 comments) says:

    Im not a Craig supporter but don’t be so quick to sneer at those who have mentioned Maori and gays. Over the past decades there have been plenty of remarks made in jest about both groups that have attracted a triade against those making them.

    That’s how the term ‘politically correct’ came to be used to highlight the slights taken by those soooooooo offended by otherwise innocent remarks.

    Fact is Craig is white middle aged straight and rich. About all the credentials needed to have a go at someone who fits this description.

    the old saying “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” comes to mind.

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  55. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    It’s been reported that Craig has withdrawn his threat, having made his point.

    Yep, it took him all of 3.5 minutes to make the point that he is an utter utter goose and has destroyed any credibility he may have had.(Tui Bilboard)

    The type at school who ran off to the teacher ” They’re being mean to me miss”. Drongo

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  56. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    MH: “Yet more evidence that CCCP is not going to help National get a third term.”

    Craig has effectively ruled himself out of a coalition anyway.

    “As the only party with Binding Referenda as a bottom line, we expect our support to continue to increase.”
    (That’s a real quote from Craig)

    National won’t agree to Binding Referenda on every social bill, no sane party would do that, so a coalition seems to be out of the question.

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  57. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Even though I’m thousands of miles away,”

    Don’t hurry back. If there is one thing this country has no shortage of it is mindless National Socialists.

    Mocking of course is what anyone who stands against the progressive tide must endure in torrents, but attributing quotes to people when they made no such statement is cowardice.

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  58. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Red

    Serious question

    How the hell can you not mock this guy?. Going to a lawyer about a blog article that perhaps .05% of the population may have seen.

    What he has done is drop his tweeds in public and made himself look small ( bad pun), petty and worst of all saying a big fuck you to all and sundry showing off that he is wealthy and can pay 1 K for an email. Small minded ,immature and so wildly inexperienced that nobody wants a bar of him.

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  59. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Paula-eastbay-

    The last thing I would expect from you is any ability to see past the preferred progressive mainstream media narrative.

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  60. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    As I just heard on NatRad on my way back from the bike shop (getting the tyres on my 29’er made tubeless, highly recommended, heading to Vegas for a very long weekend of trails soon…)…

    “Colin Craig feels he has made his point”. I agree. The point is Colin, you’re a knob. FFS, suck it up princess. You are now a public figure. Expect fringe satire, whether weddy likes it or not. Our ability to laugh at ourselves is important.

    Oh, and Harriet: “If Colin Craig was gay or Maori it wouldn’t be called ‘satire’! NZ should get rid of all double standards. Now!”

    Do fuck off. As someone who IS Maori, frankly, the vast majority of us dont give a shit as to what the activists say, just as I dont align your stupidity with that of all woman. Do gain some grip.

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  61. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    This ugly cowardly little prick who writes the Civilian blog is no satirist. He’s just a cheap smear merchant without the wit to write satire.

    Redbaiter. You have just defined yourself as a joyless bitter little man. This sort of dour lemon sucking humourless approach is a mark of lefty authoritarians. Your nothing more than a control freak and self identifying as “right” does not cut it. The “right” agrees with liberty and freedom. Your rants invariably cry out for more controls, not less.

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  62. labrator (1,889 comments) says:

    attributing quotes to people when they made no such statement is cowardice.

    Satire is cowardice? Are you being satirical? Are you a progressive satirical hipster, so far past satire that no one gets the joke anymore but won’t let on for fear of being thought stupid?

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  63. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    I think Colin Craig was in the right. The piece definitely had quotation marks around it, which people might believe to be an actual quote from Colin Craig.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8590529/Craig-satire-website-went-too-far

    “The Civilian story quoted Craig: ”’Williamson likes to talk about big gay rainbows,’ said Craig, ‘but it would help if he understood what the rainbow actually means. After Noah’s flood, God painted a giant rainbow across the sky, which was a message that he would never again flood the world, unless we made him very angry. And we have.”’
    On Tuesday, Craig’s lawyer, John McKay of Chapman Tripp, sent The Civilian editor Ben Uffindell a letter saying the remarks were defamatory and inaccurate.
    As a result, The Civilian published a note above the story which read ”We accept, upon further review, that Craig never made the statement attributed to him. We retract the statement and apologise to Craig for any harm we have caused to his impeccable reputation.”

    Craig said he was concerned other media outlets would believe he had actually made those comments and they would be used out of context.
    ”At the end of the day it’s obvious it’s a satirical site [but they] put the things in quotation marks as if I had said them.
    ”I’ve had experiences with other media picking up these [sorts of] comments and thinking I genuinely said them. It’s pretty important if you’re going to use quotations, get it right.” “

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  64. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    It’s interesting that there was no complaint after earlier news coverage.

    Leader of the Conservative Party Colin Craig struck a much stronger note following the bill’s passage, saying that it amounted not only to the destruction of marriage, but also the destruction of parenthood and common decency.

    “It is a sad and infamous day for this nation,” said Craig to a group of reporters outside Parliament this evening. “Our country has plunged itself into a dark moral abyss from which it will never return. By providing legal rights to people who like the wrong genitalia, we have sent a terrible message to our children and our peers about the role of dignity and faith in our society. If we are to say that it is acceptable for marriage to be between two men, or two women, or two man-woman hybrids, then what is to say that marriage cannot be between a man and a turtle, or a man and a table? What about a woman and a gorilla? That’s pretty disgusting.”

    One reporter asked Mr. Craig what he would do tomorrow, now that the world had descended into morally ambivalent chaos.

    “I don’t know,” said Craig. “Do some grocery shopping, I guess.”

    http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/marriage-destroyed-forever/

    I guess it’s not the misquoting that offends Mr Craig its the inference that expects God to judge countries for their political choices. Could he be entering politics on God’s behalf to do it himself?

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  65. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    It amazes me that so many of you people cannot see the fault in attributing a statement to someone when they never made that statement.

    Calling it satire is no excuse for outright misrepresentation.

    I repeat- You can mock or ridicule someone if you so choose, but attributing words to them that they never said is dishonest and cowardly.

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  66. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Yet more evidence that CCCP is not going to help National get a third term.

    I thought our illustrious leader was so popular he could govern on his own. Are you saying that can’t happen?

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  67. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Sarah Palin never said “I can see Alaska from my house”, either. It was said by Tina Fey on SNL – another innocent “satirist”. But I’d wager most of the liberal anencephilacs who’ve survived to adulthood here on this blog believe Palin did indeed say those words. Good on Craig for exposing this smear for what it was as opposed to ignoring it and allowing the far-left to poison his character by misrepresenting him as a Fred Phelps fundamentalist.

    Also interesting to see that Whale Oil doesn’t think Mr Craig has any “credibility”. Let’s examine the characters of these two individuals shall we?

    * Mr Craig attended university and came out with double degrees. Mr Slater was a drop out.

    * Mr Craig started a business enterprise that made millions. Mr Slater’s business enterprise failed leaving a raft of creditors unpaid.

    * Mr Craig is known for his hard work, determination and resolve. Mr Slater has pent a sizable part of his life living off his insurance company or the taxpayer.

    *Mr Craig has never wasted the time, energy and money of the police and courts in a protracted court case over name suppression driven by sheer narcissism. Mr Slater then he completely dropped his guts during the defence. What a fiasco.

    * Mr Craig has never been so tasteless as to Photoshop the facial image of a 15yo Labour party activist onto a gay porn image, unlike Mr Slater

    * And, I admit this is speculation, but I’d be pretty sure Mr Craig has never cheated on his wife. Again, unlike Mr Slater.

    As I states earlier, all this is an Alynskyite tactic to kill the vote for CCCP in 2014. This is why National Party apparatchiks like Slater & Farrar are going along with it to try and avoid a defection of conservative voters from National. That alone won’t work of course because such voters will opt to stay at home – just like the did for Mitt Romney. And that worked out real well for him.

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  68. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Scott, other politicians are quoted on the site as well.

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  69. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    preferred progressive mainstream media narrative.

    Red

    As much as I would love to blame the mainstreeam media it was not the MSM who instructed a legal firm to hit the keyboard, a small matter I know but still……….

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  70. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    I’m with the “this was a stupid thing to do, he should have just let it slide” brigade.

    But I also wonder if this was a publicity stunt to get a little coverage, to heck with the cost.

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  71. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    At first I thought “this is ripe for satire”. Then I realised that the original is so sublime that any parody would pale in comparison.

    – Rex Widerstrom, January 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/most_pointless_release_ever.html#comment-391767

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  72. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “As much as I would love to blame the mainstreeam media”

    Yes Paula, but the mainstream media / progressive narrative is that Craig is a bible bashing fool who puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it.

    This narrative is pursued with vigour by those opposed to the Conservative Party growing its support. Being the loser lying cowardly mainstream media and the far left wing/ socialist parties of National and Labour.

    If you cannot discern a deliberate campaign of mockery and denigration underpinned by lies and sleaze you must be even more politically blind than I have thought.

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  73. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “This is why National Party apparatchiks like Slater & Farrar are going along with it to try and avoid a defection of conservative voters from National.”

    You are onto it exactly.

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  74. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “As I just heard on NatRad on my way back from the bike shop”

    An excellent example of urban liberal self satire.

    Well done if it was indeed deliberate.

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  75. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Yes Paula, but the mainstream media / progressive narrative is that Craig is a bible bashing fool who puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it.

    Even the MSM gets it right every now and again, ta daaaaaaa. Too easy Red.

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  76. cctrfred (42 comments) says:

    This looks like very good politics to me. Colin Craig needs 5+% of votes next election for the Conservative Party. He can afford to alienate further the 80% who would never consider voting for him. He needs publicity and to persuade a minority to consider his party and its views. He might even get a few people who consider him a good sport for dropping the proceedings.

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  77. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    But….

    However, Mr Craig’s moves to protect his reputation were not finished with his withdrawl of complaint from The Civilian.

    He said after legal advice, he would be filing a complaint against a television network by the end of the week.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8590534/Conservative-Party-withdraws-legal-action-over-satire

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  78. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Too easy Red.”

    As I said Paula, the last thing I would expect was for you to possess the ability to see through it.

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  79. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    ““As I just heard on NatRad on my way back from the bike shop”

    An excellent example of urban liberal self satire.

    Well done if it was indeed deliberate.”

    Weddy dear boy, you wouldn’t know satire if it fell on you. The whole pigeon hole thing riddles everything you say, you do realise that yes? And as noted elsewhere, your attempt to close down free speech is much more a far left thing than you realise…

    Cue Marxist labeling rant in 3….

    Think you should buy a bike, Im sure my 12 year old can show you a few tricks. Or do you have one that does that for you already? :)

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  80. Warren Murray (298 comments) says:

    I agree wih Hooten. This is a side issue, hiding a far greater problem.

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  81. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Weddy dear boy, you wouldn’t know satire if it fell on you.”

    Of course I forgot the self proclaimed “Maori” cultural heritage.

    Of course you would be, and that really caps it off so well.

    One thirty second Maori are you?

    Or perhaps your great great grand daddy once walked past a marae in Hokatika?

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  82. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    National are probably hoping to shore up the three Maori Party votes by allowing them to stuff some depraved apartheid-based Constitution down our throats. And Dunne? Just offer him a ministerial warrant with all of the prestige on offer but no responsibility, and he’s anyone’s.

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  83. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    I’ll be very interested to see how much support the much maligned Colin Craig actually gets in the next election? I think the centre-right and traditional voters are looking for a new home. They now realise that Labour and National have both been drinking from the progressive Kool-Aid and so there is really very little difference between them? Not on social policy anyway. Under Labour we had civil unions, under national we have gay marriage. All looks like a pretty bleak choice to me and to many others I would imagine.

    I suspect depending on how they do between now and 2014 that Colin Craig and Winston Peters will do quite well in the next election.

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  84. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    Read up weddy, my grandfather was Maori battalion, killing Germans at Monte Cassino so you had freedom of speech – the same freedom of speech you claim to protect but funnily enough abhor.

    By all means demean my heritage. Says way more about you than it does me little man :)

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  85. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    It is a very sad day for democracy in New Zealand when an extremely wealthy political leader threatens an obviously satirical website for defamation, because they took the piss out of him.

    Whoa, hold on just a second.

    It’s a sad day for democracy because someone wants to protect themselves from liars?

    Who says this shit is satire? it’s weak juvenile crap that requires the intelligence of a goldfish to enjoy. The fact of the matter is that Mr Craig has been relentlessly attacked over and over again (usually unfairly) and in this regard he is right to defend himself to try and stem some of the worst of it.
    Or do you, Mr Farrar, think Colin Craig has no right to pursue a political career? he should just lay down and take this shit?

    You social progressives are nothing but common playground f@cking bullies, and when the poor kid dares swing back you mock and snarl.

    I hope he bankrupts the little shit.

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  86. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Sarah Palin never said “I can see Alaska from my house”

    Correction:
    I meant to say “Sarah Palin never said “I can see Russia from my house””

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  87. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The religious zealots are a bit tense as their poster boy has shown himself to be a humourless git, imagine my surprise.

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  88. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Snap out of your progressive coma.

    You don’t have to be religious to object to misrepresentation.

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  89. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Ok then ,the conservative zealots are a bit tense as their poster boy has shown himself to be a humourless git, imagine my surprise.

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  90. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    The religious zealots are a bit tense as their poster boy has shown himself to be a humourless git, imagine my surprise.

    Hey dick head, I haven’t walked into a church in years.

    But keep up the charade mate, otherwise you might actually have to formulate an opinion of your own for a change.

    “Useful idiots”.

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  91. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Snap out of your progressive coma.

    Not likely I am afraid, they’ve been on life support (feeding off the rest of society) for so long that it’s all they know, there isn’t much hope of a recovery.

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  92. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    The irony – on a thread about satire, the ACTUAL VRWC pissed that they are wrongly labeled ‘religious’ and or ‘conservative’.

    You cant make this shit up :)

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  93. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Amazing how the Godfreaks would prefer to split the Centre Right vote & doom the country to economic ruination by a Labour/Green coalition. Treason by any other name just because the self righteous weirdos have their underwear in knots over a few old poofs being given the right to marry.

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  94. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Amazing how the Godfreaks would prefer to split the Centre Right vote & doom the country to economic ruination by a Labour/Green coalition.”

    Fuck you- you fake right have had it coming for a while.

    You just need to put your vote with Labour (where it belongs) and everything will be fine.

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  95. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    The irony – on a thread about satire, the ACTUAL VRWC pissed that they are wrongly labeled ‘religious’ and or ‘conservative’.

    You cant make this shit up

    The real irony is that you clearly don’t know what “irony” means.

    How ironic!

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  96. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    How ironic!

    Thanks for the laff, and so right. These fucking half educated commeis are always using “irony” out of context. Its like a tattoo on a whore.

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  97. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    …wah wah wah misrepresentation…

    Other headlines on that site include:

    Bob Parker contemplating return to space

    John Banks can’t wait to get gay married

    Lion attack victim died doing what she loved; getting mauled to death by a lion

    Former Pope Benedict XVI elected new pope

    There’s something wrong with anyone who looks at The Civilian and can’t see that it’s a satire site.

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  98. slijmbal (1,228 comments) says:

    I love the various conspiracy theorists about this.

    I decided to do an immensely scientific test with my wife. I read out aloud various of the posts at the civilian – she laughed out loud. The best laughs were for http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/labour-greens-announce-plans-to-buy-all-the-power-see-what-happens/ with Craig’s stuff coming in a close second.

    It is just satire … quite good satire at that and Ben must have thought it was time to buy a lotto ticket when Craig decided to involve lawyers.

    Latest Tweet on the civilian “Colin Craig allegedly drops legal threats. We can only hope he’s being quoted correctly:”

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  99. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    ….”There’s something wrong with anyone who looks at The Civilian and can’t see that it’s a satire site.”…..

    There are wards full of nutcases, Colin Craig included, who lack the intellect to see that RRM. Most of them have already commented above.

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  100. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Amazing how the Godfreaks would prefer to split the Centre Right vote & doom the country to economic ruination by a Labour/Green coalition. Treason by any other name just because the self righteous weirdos have their underwear in knots over a few old poofs being given the right to marry.

    Do you know when the real treason happened? when John Key and national lied to us about what they actually represented, any “treason” happened in 2008.

    We would have been better off letting Labour/Greens lead us through the financial troubles of the past few years and completely, royally stuffing everything up so that NZers finally, FINALLY get this socialist progressive shit out of their systems and vow ‘never again’.

    But no, here we are with Labour lite and the continuation of nanny state.

    You bastards can’t be trusted.

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  101. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    We would have been better off letting Labour/Greens lead us through the financial troubles of the past few years and completely, royally stuffing everything up so that NZers finally, FINALLY get this socialist progressive shit out of their systems and vow ‘never again’.

    Yes I have thought the same thing.

    Given the topic of this thread, I would prefer the communists in power over the likes of Craig !

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  102. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    I’m stuffed if I can remember when National promised to dismantle the welfare state…..in fact I can’t remember when ANYONE with an icebergs chance in hell of actually having to form a government has said anything like it.

    The welfare state was imposed on us incrementally & if it is to be removed it will have to be dismantled the same way. Unless of course you want to bring up your kids in a riot torn country where the military would struggle to keep a semblance of peace.

    There’s a huge gap between raving on a blog & running a country

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  103. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “There’s a huge gap between raving on a blog & running a country”

    Especially when you’re some hick back country bog farmer who doubles as a gorse sprayer for the local council.

    And its no surprise you don’t know what the National Party’s founding principles say.

    Piss off and join the Labour party.

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  104. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Shunda

    I hope you are wealthy and can buttress against any wealth you have been eroded away if we get a greens type govt.

    Apart from the fact you sound like a child threatening to hold its breath unless it gets its own way how about getting your head out of your arse and really look how this country has come through the GFC. Do’t worry about homo’s being allowed to get married but look at the serious shit. This country has done remarkably well,but instead of looking at this you want to hrow a tantrum because of socail law that does no more effect you than it does me.

    Vote for who ever you want, I think Craig is a dick but if he wants to make a dick of himself and other dicks want to vote for him fill ya boots, but like I said I hope you have the means to ride out the greens taxing the living fuck out of you. I am worried because even though I have a few quid stashed it might not be enough and I have tightened my belt big time over the last three or four years trying to ensure I look after myself and mine for ever, but these pricks will want me on welfare before they leave me alone, solely because I have worked and paid my own way since I was 15 years old.

    So keep holding your breath and throwing tantrums like I said I hop you have the lube because you’ll get well reamed if you have the termity to have paid your own way

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  105. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    when John Key and National lied to us about what they actually represented

    And just watch them try and shove this looming apartheid-Constitution down the throat of the country, all for the promise of a few Maori Party votes.

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  106. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “I would prefer the communists in power over the likes of Craig !”

    Tell me something I don’t know.

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  107. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Strangely enough Reddy I’m pretty much up to speed with the National Party’s founding principles…..the ones written about 77 years ago just after the depression, before WW2, before about five big spending Labour Governments & prior to a few other plagues & poxes which have required the party to adapt or consign itself to history.

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  108. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    Kea “Given the topic of this thread, I would prefer the communists in power over the likes of Craig !”

    Well I have met Mr Craig and he is a good sensible chap. I like him. We could do worse than have him as the next PM.
    I would prefer Colin Craig in power over the likes of Maurice Williamson!

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  109. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “which have required the party to adapt or consign itself to history.”

    Code for- being incrementally infiltrated by spineless progressive invertebrate like you, have capitulated on every issue they should have stood firm on.

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  110. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    nasska talks about the “Godfreaks” splitting the right vote.(nice turn of phrase from one of the resident bigots)

    When a government minister can stand in my parliament and mock my religion ,to peels of laughter from the rest of the House,you can be damn sure the right vote will abandon said right.
    And when the first minister of said party condones such mockery the whole damn party deserves to go down.

    Let the Greens and Labour win. At least they don’t openly mock what would have been their base.As such they’re not as stupid as National Party cabinet ministers.

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/buffoon-of-week.html

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  111. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    ….”Code for- being incrementally infiltrated by spineless progressive invertebrate like you, have capitulated on every issue they should have stood firm on.”….

    So a few adjustments were made. If they hadn’t it would have been welcome Chairman Shearer, Commissar Norman & President for Life, Helen Clark.

    But the National Party would have been pure.

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  112. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    So Kowtow you are no better than the Muslims you put the shit into all the time, you want religion to take precedence over the State. What shall we do?- jihad on Maurice perhaps, hope he doesn’t start drawing cartoons.

    My what a bitter wee person you are, hope you’re wealthy too because I was brought up catholic and I know for sure they’ll do fuck all for you when you are on the breadline, which is where a lot more people will be if the luddites get near the benches of power.

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  113. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Code for- being incrementally infiltrated by spineless progressive invertebrate like you, have capitulated on every issue they should have stood firm on.

    :lol: LOL – and what have you done to fight this?

    Posted up photos of John Key’s face on your blog site with PROGRESSIVE in big letters over the top. That’s what.
    http://truebluenz.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/progressives-allsmall.jpg

    You’re in illustrious company though:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AChqWz2Bf2w/SG0xifDUl_I/AAAAAAAAALw/-Sz6aExHWz4/s320/Johntard+is+Dead.jpg

    No wonder spineless invertebrates prosper, if you are the most stringent antibiotic there is…

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  114. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Tell me something I don’t know.

    Humour.

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  115. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “So a few adjustments were made. If they hadn’t it would have been welcome Chairman Shearer, Commissar Norman & President for Life, Helen Clark.”

    Man you are so pathetic.

    It is people like you who have made the National party as bad as any of the above.

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  116. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Humour.”

    Another pathetic progressive who doesn’t know that people don’t necessarily need to embrace the childish and witless drivel of the left to appreciate humour. You probably think rap is music too. Fuck off troll.

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  117. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    I find it extremely difficult to believe that Redbaiter isn’t a poe. Just too over the top.

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  118. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    easty the internet beasty

    Clever boy, show where I said religion should take precedence over the state.

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  119. Keeping Stock (10,246 comments) says:

    Question: What do Colin Craig and Redbaiter have in common?

    Answer: neither realise how much entertainment they provide when they get all serious and wounded instead of laughing at themselves.

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  120. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    If your religion can’t handle a little mockery in Parliament you are placing it above the Highest Court in the land.

    You are allowed to mock politicians but they are not allowed to mock your belief system, why not?

    I have never seen the Prime Minister or even Clark come on here and say lighten up fellas, I’m a politician , stop putting the boot in .Is your belief system is so fragile it can’t handle a piss take. If it is as robust as you obvioulsy believe why would you worry what an elected committee man has to say? After all he is but a mortal

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  121. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Question- What do the progressives of Labour and National have in common?

    Answer- The same smug superiority complex that arises when leftist group think is the over-riding cultural condition.

    See??

    Anyone can do stupid childish troll type stuff.

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  122. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    This kiwiblog item has just been run as “news” on Radio NZ. Our host has been quoted as saying Craig has made himself look silly.

    The progressive media all pulling together on homosexual marriage.

    Shows the issue is alot bigger than a little titter at those humourless conservatives.

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  123. Harriet (4,726 comments) says:

    National has trashed itself and everyone now knows it!

    Liberal ACT once got 8% of Nationals voters, which means that 92% of Nationals voters are Conservative!

    Talking about what the Conservatives are capable of doing – rather than talk about what National isn’t doing, and never will do, unless it’s 92% start deserting – is the Hokianga Hwy to success in the suburbs for the Conservative vote.

    Colin only needs 20 people on the party list, so as to play for the electorate vote the way the Greens did.

    All social ills stem from poorly run ‘families’ of all and any description, unless you would be foolish enough to ever believe that all peoples’ problems, be they court matters, health matters, parenting matters, relationship matters, money matters, ect, ect, ect, stem soley from the actions of others. They obviously don’t.

    That is an undeniable and absolute truth!

    Business does not cause social ills in NZ because business is highly regulated. And in a small national market, they can’t afford to be seen to cause social ills.

    National and Labour are both shit scared of the Conservatives, because if the truth be known: The Conservatives don’t need to go to the election saying how they will pay for policy.

    As they will simply be in parliment to vote down the excesses of both National and Labour.

    It’s the protest vote! :cool:

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  124. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    easty beasty

    Pointing out rude mocking language of a govt minister is a long way from placing religion above parliament as you put it.

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  125. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    All social ills stem from poorly run ‘families’ of all and any description, unless you would be foolish enough to ever believe that all peoples’ problems, be they court matters, health matters, parenting matters, relationship matters, money matters, ect, ect, ect, stem soley from the actions of others. They obviously don’t.

    That is an undeniable and absolute truth!

    That is an argument so powerful, it doesn’t even need to be discussed! :cool:

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  126. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I can not believe muppets like Redbaiter think this is a left/right issue. The humour keeps coming :)

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  127. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    “Anyone can do stupid childish troll type stuff.”

    Well of course they can weddy, you’re our guiding light :)

    I love the fact that you’re a labeller, as I said before. I wear my “progressive” label with pride. Its “progress” that defines us weddy. You, old man, are stuck in the 50’s, as if you were one of those awful labour / green goons talking about nationalising power, and rubbing their hands with glee at the havoc they have caused, never mind that they have wiped value off the face of this country. You are THAT bad. No, really. I laugh in your general direction.

    You are, in the words of someone far smarter and funnier than I, odd. Your mother dresses you funny, and you smell of elderberries.

    Oh, and as for my credentials – I was responsible for more than $3.2M in tax payments last financial year. GST, PAYE, Company, RWT. Suck on that old man. Middle class business owner, not just talking about it. Doing it. Exports of more than $3M. What was your contribution towards making this country great, other than a blog ‘n flog approach?

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  128. Harriet (4,726 comments) says:

    If you are that way inclined, you pay for both the pill and abortion.

    And all associated costs too, from the PM’s time – down to the public hospital mop and bucket!

    The taxpayer shouldn’t be paying for what people are doing, or not doing, in their bedrooms.

    The taxpayer having to pay for ‘nothing’ is simply FUCKEN IMMORAL! :cool:

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  129. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    His blog is pretty crap but I’ll concede that when it comes to flog Baity is up there with the best of them. :)

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  130. wat dabney (3,748 comments) says:

    Why didn’t Craig also threaten to sue when someone made up that really stupid quote about ‘choosing to be gay’ and ascribed it to him?

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  131. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    “Matthew Hooton (87) Says:

    April 24th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    Yet more evidence that CCCP is not going to help National get a third term.”

    Matthew, I thought you were politically astute. I wouldn’t be counting my chickens. Craig is still in with a royal chance of 5% plus and no one knows what is going to be rolled out between now and the next election.

    If Craig can engineer 3% with a six week buildup imagine what he can achieve with a bit of time, direction and strategy.

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  132. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    “If Craig can engineer 3% with a six week buildup imagine what he can achieve with a bit of time, direction and strategy.”

    And less of the “Yeah, Ive got a fucking awesome sense of humour, totes” television time. The man needs advisers he listens to who know their shit.

    Maybe weddy could help him with that :)

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  133. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    deadrightkev

    I think you may find that Colin Craig has done the easy part but he’ll be pushing shit up hill to actually make it to parliament. The 3% is a gift…..a well trained cockatoo with a bible under it’s wing & taught a couple of phrases such as, “gay marriage is an abomination in God’s eyes, squawk” & “no abortion, squawk”, will mop up the votes of the religious fruitloops.

    But that’s it! Winston Peters has the rest of the CCCP’s manifesto covered & is a far better campaigner than the precious gaffe ridden Craig who’s only asset is a huge personal war chest he thinks will buy him power.

    As I have lived through the Christianity saturated 50’s & 60’s I wish him a pox on his houses. Happily I don’t think that my help will be needed…..he’ll cock it up himself.

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  134. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Are you suggesting that when Kolun has his “hey, Clint!” moment, Weddy could be his clint, his smooth spin doctor telling him precisely the right thing to say?

    That would be gold. PLEASE let it be! :-)

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  135. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    RRM, exactly. I would pay bloody good money to see that. I suspect weddy would start the sentence with “Fucking Marxist progressive, left wing gay, sodomite…” and his little tiny head would vanish in a tap tap pink mist.

    Tickets. I want tickets for that…

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  136. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Shunda

    I hope you are wealthy and can buttress against any wealth you have been eroded away if we get a greens type govt.

    What you don’t have you don’t miss. Maybe I should just act in complete self interest like you bastards do.

    Apart from the fact you sound like a child threatening to hold its breath unless it gets its own way how about getting your head out of your arse and really look how this country has come through the GFC.

    I can see plenty, it’s not me that has the problem with understanding the difference between short term gain and long term stability.

    Do’t worry about homo’s being allowed to get married but look at the serious shit. This country has done remarkably well,but instead of looking at this you want to hrow a tantrum because of socail law that does no more effect you than it does me.

    Oh please, stop with the bullshit. While national undoubtedly have done better than some hideous Labour coalition would have, a lot of it is down to blind luck in the form of a still functioning international market for dairy products.
    But we are now so vulnerable it sends a shiver down the spine every time I think about it.

    And if you still think it is about “homos getting married” then I have serious concerns over your mental well being. Even the MPs that drove the legislation are openly talking about the true agenda while f@ckwits like Williamson are talking about “big gay rainbows”. Wake up.

    So keep holding your breath and throwing tantrums like I said I hop you have the lube because you’ll get well reamed if you have the termity to have paid your own way

    Oh very clever, you should give yourself a gold star.

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  137. bringbackdemocracy (418 comments) says:

    POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE NEWS; Colin Craig defending his reputation, John Key defending his misrepresentation of the truth, David Shearer defending his forgotten fortune, John Banks defending his alleged financial impropriety, Hone defending his nephews in court, Maori party defending their leadership meltdown, Winston Peters defending his poor knowledge about who owns kiwisaver funds, Russel Norman defending his destruction of private wealth and Peter Dunne defending his hairdresser.
    Somehow I think Colin Craig is better off than the others at this point in time.

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  138. pq (728 comments) says:

    absurd article Farrar, how did you become the red rag claptrap magazine , if Whale oil had anything to say he would overtake you. You become weaker every day

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  139. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    Progressive United Front,now Back Benches are pratting on about it.

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  140. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    What should be a subject of satire is that his name sounds like the names on a form – partner Colin do you take partner Craig …

    The idea that someone who lacks a surname can represent traditional family values is the stuff of satire. Without a substantial family name can anyone represent conservative values?

    From his home he can see his political destiny in a far away land, a land where people who oppose asset sales and who want income up to the minimum wage to be free of tax so those on super get a large increase in tax paid income (the largest cost election promise in our history) vote for him. People who claim to be fiscal conservatives “like him” voting for this.

    He also claims to be a social conservative, one wonders what other social conservatives will end up voting for, if his track record as a fiscal conservative is any indication.

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  141. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Come on SPC, nothing he said or did would please your cold commie heart, now would it ?

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  142. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Kea, this is about integrity and standing by the values that one professes to have.

    If he wants to be a commie and stand by public ownership of the means of production and advocate a focus to tax cuts for those on lower incomes – to deliver more equal outcomes he should just hand over his wealth to the Socialist Workers Republican Democrat Party and work to earn his membership fee.

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  143. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    This thread is mostly a stark example of how lamely the population of NZ succumbs to any narrative the progressive mainstream media put out there.

    So lamely take on board what ever the lying left wing cowards of the media say. Are so easily led by these smearing untruthful dirtbags.

    So many readers completely unable to discern partisan lies and spin it is appalling.

    Here are the facts-

    1) The articles found on the Civilian blog are not satire. They are feeble and witless and juvenile attempts at satire.

    2) Colin Craig took legal action not to stop the mentally stunted little coward at the Civilian and his lame attempts at satire, but to correct a quote that had been dishonestly attributed to him.

    So all of the lamers here criticising Craig for his actions are reacting to a completely false narrative, and they are too eternally stupid and too undiscriminating in their acceptance of left wing media spin to discern when they are being lied to.

    When the voters are so easily influenced by a lying and partisan media, it is no wonder democracy has failed us here and we are politically up shit creek without a paddle. I’ve never seen such a collection of lame gullible fools.

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  144. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    I agree RB.

    The amusing thing that sticks out like dogs balls with Farrar and Slater regarding Colin Craig is the enthusiastic bile they attempt to heap on Craig along with the other leftists they pretend to oppose. It paints a tragic picture of where National is truly placed on the political spectrum when the brains trust use cheerleaders Farrar and Slater to ward off the evil spirits.

    They both need to be careful about trying to railroad natural democracy using those leftist tactics because it may well come back to bite them on the arse. It may well be that National needs to get used to having a coalition partner that stands for something and wont fall for anything.

    If the voter thinks Craig and his party is worth voting for lets hope its because they represent good policies, traditional values and principles. My guess is that it will be because they don’t trust Labour or National who are actually identical. And holy shit, after the last couple of decades they have every reason to look for a party that actually does what it says.

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  145. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    No, the story here is simple: Craig makes fool of himself and provides free publicity for satirical website.

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  146. Nikolai_V (3 comments) says:

    Can’t believe noones cited Poe’s Law yet.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

    “Without a blatant display of humour, it can be impossible to distinguish between satire of a fundamentalist position, and the genuine beliefs of said fundamentalist”

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  147. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nikolai_V, If he can not spot satire on a satirical site, then do we really want him running the country ? :)

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  148. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    God you are one dumb bastard.

    1) It isn’t satire, its a feeble attempt at satire.

    2) Craig is not objecting to the feeble attempts at satire, he’s complaining about the false quotes.

    As he is fully entitled to do.

    You’re a moron who constantly buys into left wing narratives and therefore undermines the fight to repel the left.

    A braindead troll as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

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  149. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Satire of Colin Craig is redundant, no one can do it better than Colin Craig and those right wingers who support him.

    “I am a fiscal conservative, I oppose asset sales and propose zero tax up to the minimum wage so that we can pay all people on tax paid super a large amount extra each week .. no I have not costed any budget based on our 2011 election manifesto .. I am a fiscal conservative …”

    Why would a real fiscal conservative vote for him?

    “I am a social conservative, we will require our coalition partner to hold referendums on social policy issues (where it would be proven to conservatives that they are a minority and so they can no longer deny this reality) but will still have to accept that legislation is decided by a conscience vote in parliament where we will be outvoted so will achieve not one thing in this area.

    Why would a social conservative think that a very small party could effect change?

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  150. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Why would a social conservative think that a very small party could effect change?

    Because in commerce, the truth is sovereign.

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  151. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    The Nat’s have a huge shock coming to them in 2014. Farrar and Slater should alert their masters if they don’t know it already.

    If Craig follows through and builds on his promise of the last election all bets are off. My belief is that Craig will stick to his strategy of agreeing to a cup of tea with John Key “the day after the election” then who holds the ace card? My gut feel is that he will do so because he needs to hang tough and differentiate from other minor parties that willingly prostitute themselves under the guise of MMP. With a coalition deal the only game in town is the element of surprise.

    Craig will be able to surprise National with his bottom line buying power but there will be no surprise for voters because in my experience Craig is a leader that will not flip flop on those that vote him in.

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  152. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “My gut feel is that he will do so because he needs to hang tough and differentiate from other minor parties that willingly prostitute themselves under the guise of MMP.”

    I hope your gut feel is right and Craig understands how important this is.

    No Maoris/ racists, no Progressives/ commies.

    Craig sometimes shows a worrying tendency to submit to the left wing media narrative. He needs to stop doing this and stand firm against the tyranny of the elitist left.

    Firmly opposing the progressive/ racist status quo is his strength, and he needs to fully understand that.

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  153. SGA (981 comments) says:

    Sarah Palin called for the invasion of the Czech Republic today in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Boston.

    In an interview with Fox News, the former governor of Alaska said that although federal investigators have yet to complete their work, the time for action is now.

    “We don’t know everything about these suspects yet,” Palin told Fox and Friends this morning, referring to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who allegedly carried out the Boston Marathon attacks. “But we know they were Muslims from the Czech Republic.

    “I betcha I speak for a lot of Americans when I say I want to go over there right now and start teaching those folks a lesson. And let’s not stop at the Czech Republic, let’s go after the other Arab countries too.

    “The Arabians need to learn that they can’t keep comin’ over here and blowing stuff up. Let’s set off a couple of nukes in Islamabad, burn down Prague, then bomb the heck out of Tehran. We need to show them that we mean business.”

    *****
    Maybe Sarah Palin should sue the Daily Currant – they even use, shock horror, quotes.

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  154. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “they even use, shock horror, quotes.”

    Exactly.

    Your suggestion that we should not ever resist or complain about cowardly smears and misrepresentation is noted.

    The thing about your so called political “satire” is that it is frequently based upon left wing political perceptions that are wrong, but it’s purpose is to deliberately bolster those incorrect perceptions.

    It is therefore more cowardly political propaganda than satire.

    (BTW, you do know that this article was picked up and published as genuine by one European news outlet I suppose.)

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  155. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Craig’s stated bottom line will rule him out from a coalition deal with any party – he is insisting on binding referenda, and no sane party would agree to that.

    So if “Craig is a leader that will not flip flop on those that vote him in” he will find out that under MMP he has already rendered himself virtually impotent.

    That’s if he can overcome the millstone of prostituting himself to the fundamental Christian right under the guise of conservatism.

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  156. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Last night there was a post on Public Address, Google still shows:

    False Claims that Colin Craig and his Defamation Lawyer are Gay …

    13 hours ago – An unnamed source has anonymously reported on “rumours” of a “relationship” between Conservative Party leader Colin Craig and his…

    The URL http://publicaddress.net/southerly/false-claims-that-colin-craig-and-his-defamation/ is now not working.

    Maybe someone at Public Address had second thoughts, maybe they were pressured to remove the post.

    It had been posted under “Southerly” (David Haywood), his last post is now one from November.

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  157. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    How predictable that the head cheerleader for the most prostituted party (a loose term) in history should come out against Binding Referenda claiming “by the people for the people” stands for anything other than genuine democracy. You need to talk to Willie Jackson about joining United Failure, he agrees with you Pete.

    Any party that gets only 0.5% of the vote has no place in government in my view. I am not religious, nor would I support a fundamentalist party. Redbaiter is right, you spotty lot on the far left have no bullets apart from character assassination.

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  158. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Maybe someone at Public Address had second thoughts,”

    I doubt those thoughts would have been influenced by common decency.

    Public Address has always been a collection of amoral progressive cowards bent on (frequently with lies) smearing and destroying the character of anyone who opposes their political objectives.

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  159. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    I support the use of referenda for some things, but there are also many known drawbacks. For example

    1. Referenda are inconsistent with the belief in parliamentary sovereignty.

    2. Issues might be too complex for a mere yes/no vote or for the public to understand.

    3. The regular use of referenda could lead to apathy among the public.

    4. There are effective alternatives : opinion polls and by-elections.

    5. A low turnout can distort results. Only 34% of those who could have voted in the “Do you want a Mayor for London?” actually voted. 72% of these voted ‘yes’, 28% voted ‘no’. But 66% of Londoners failed to vote at all. This low turn out clearly favoured the supporters of the Mayor.

    6. The results of a referendum might not be decisive. For Welsh devolution there was a 51/49 split.

    7. Funding differences can affect results as government money can pour into a referendum and the group on the other side may well be not so well financed.

    8. Referenda might result in “the tyranny of the majority”. If the majority votes for it, does the government go ahead with it ? What about the wishes of the minority ? How are these safeguarded ?

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/referendums.htm

    From what I have seen most people promoting the use of referenda see them as a way of getting the results they want, but they are quite selective in what they want to use them for – ie to attain their own political and social goals.

    Universal suffrage, giving non-property owners the vote, giving blacks the vote, lowering the voting age, all of these would probably still fail under referenda.

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  160. bringbackdemocracy (418 comments) says:

    Pete your wrong again.
    Parliament should not be sovereign the people should be.
    Turnout can be addressed by combining referenda with local and National elections, we have them often enough.
    The Conservatives threshold of 2/3rds to make them binding is pretty definitive, compared to the anti-democratic ignore 90% that currently exists.
    Funding differences can be legislated for to stop the left cheating.
    The Swiss have used them for years.

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  161. Chuck Bird (4,819 comments) says:

    I see the homosexuals are upset over the latest Tui billboard. What do those who are happy to say Colin Craig should get a life have to say about the fragile homosexual who cannot appreciate the Tui humour. Should them get a life?

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  162. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    “The Swiss have used them for years.”

    And the Swiss were one of the last Western democracies to give women the vote (one Canton eventually allowed universal suffrage in the 1990s).

    And last year another Canton voted to ban certain architectural shapes on buildings that are peculiar to one religion.

    Referenda can enhance democracy, but they can also exclude democracy and fairness for minorities.

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  163. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I think the Tui billboards have had their day. Nothing much chuckle-worthy on them lately.

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  164. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    Agree with Chuck at 1.09pm-

    Australian equality campaigners are up in arms about Family First New Zealand’s Bob McCoskrie visiting Sydney next month for the seventh World Congress of Families.
    Also giving a keynote address at the world’s biggest ‘family values’ conference is controversial psychiatrist Dr Miriam Grossman, who believes gay people can be turned straight through therapy.
    Gay rights activist and Sydney MP Alex Greenwich has written to the NSW Tourism minister demanding he ensure the conference follows the state’s tough anti-discrimination legislation.
    “We don’t want a bunch of hateful extremists coming here and spouting off their ridiculous thoughts and views on the gay and lesbian community,” said Mr Greenwich has told the Herald Sun, saying he is concerned about the effect speakers could have on vulnerable gay and lesbian youth.
    World Congress of Families Sydney chairwoman Mary-Louise Fowler has told the paper it would be “very sad” if people created a public nuisance of themselves if they disagree with their views.

    Colin Craig may be suing but gay activists want law changes if anything offends them! They will have tough new anti-discrimination laws. They seem to lack tolerance and humour.

    Colin Craig has a case because people are intentionally misquoting him,as they did with Sarah Palin. The gays meanwhile get upset with people who disagree with them even coming into their country!

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  165. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    It is a well worn strategy of the left and enough shit slung around eventually sticks, it has nothing to do with being thick skinned. I recall national party lap bloggers using this tactic before to discredit people.

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  166. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    “Also interesting to see that Whale Oil doesn’t think Mr Craig has any “credibility”. Let’s examine the characters of these two individuals shall we?

    * Mr Craig attended university and came out with double degrees. Mr Slater was a drop out.

    * Mr Craig started a business enterprise that made millions. Mr Slater’s business enterprise failed leaving a raft of creditors unpaid.

    * Mr Craig is known for his hard work, determination and resolve. Mr Slater has pent a sizable part of his life living off his insurance company or the taxpayer.

    *Mr Craig has never wasted the time, energy and money of the police and courts in a protracted court case over name suppression driven by sheer narcissism. Mr Slater then he completely dropped his guts during the defence. What a fiasco.

    * Mr Craig has never been so tasteless as to Photoshop the facial image of a 15yo Labour party activist onto a gay porn image, unlike Mr Slater

    * And, I admit this is speculation, but I’d be pretty sure Mr Craig has never cheated on his wife. Again, unlike Mr Slater”

    My goodness, that is a very distinctive comparison, isn’t it?

    Mr Slater doesn’t seem to tolerate anyone who proffers an alternative opinion to the “I hate Colin Craig” brigade, and neither does Mr Paul Ruddell (“Gayguy”), which is a bit odd, because Mr Ruddell poses as a gay man, and is a primary school teacher at Kokopu Scholl in Whangarei – and Slater seems to HATE teachers.

    It’s all a bit confusing, really.

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  167. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    I don’t know Slater’s personal history but if that is true the comparative achievement between the two does tell a story.

    The big difference between Craig and Slater is that Craig can be trusted to keep his word to those that vote for him. A priceless quality and so rare when you look at the leaders of other political parties.

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  168. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Yes Kev, and in a civil and respectful attempt to proffer an alternative opinion to the Whaleoil Army “I hate Colin Craig” brigade, I received a posting ban from the site. I can only hope that civility and respectfulness when engaged in taking an alternative perspective on an issue is treated more kindly over here. Slater seemed to become particularly upset with me over an expose I wrote some time back which at the time (narrowly) prevented a fraud being committed upon nearly 800 people in the Helensville area. Sadly, I was accused of all sorts of things by Slater – and he’s seemingly not one to be swayed from an entrenched opinion, whatever the facts of the matter may be.

    I do also pause to consider as to how many of the people who condemn Craig as a person have ever actually met him?

    Much easier to simply throw mud, I guess.

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  169. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    Slater makes a lot of noise and runs the defamation gauntlet because he thinks people are either scared, cant afford to sue or don’t want the adverse publicity.

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  170. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Slater makes a lot of noise and runs the defamation freedom of expression gauntlet because he thinks people are either scared, cant afford to sue or don’t want the adverse publicity.

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  171. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    No he has defamed people before so suck it up.

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  172. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    No such thing as “defamed”.

    You are telling people what to think and say.

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  173. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    This would appear to be great news for Colin Craig Kev. Craig doesn’t appear to be scared of anyone; he can most certainly afford to sue; and I’m assuming Craig wouldn’t object to the publicity of such a case. When Judith Collins went after Andrew Little & Trevor Mallard, her “respectometer” shot up. It seems that Slater has driven his family to the wall financially on at least two occasions – surely he wouldn’t try for the hat – trick?

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  174. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: I wonder is Slaters “freedom of expression” will extend to crossing the tort of defamation line with Craig? Time will tell, I guess – “Truth” must pay really, really well if Slater is going to consider lining up Craig in his sites. Slater claims to be someone who “smacks harder than some people”: Craig doesn’t seem to “smack” – he seems to hit – and hard.

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  175. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Craig has made a dick of himself by lashing out at humour. There is no political gain to be had from this.

    I remember a time when there were shows on the telly taking the piss out of public figures and politicians. It was in the msm. Unthinkable now days and that is to our detriment.

    For me personally, it has made me wary of the conservative parties. I find his actions disturbing and the sort of thing I would normally associate with the dark times of the Clark era.

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  176. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The tort of defamation needs to be removed from civil law, along with all other forms of censorship. It is only there to benefit rich pricks anyway. Honi the timber worker does not have the means to bring these actions against those who defame him.

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  177. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea said: “Craig has made a dick of himself by lashing out at humour. There is no political gain to be had from this”.

    Hmmm….I am happy to wait for the next 1-2 polls and see what effect there has been.

    Yes, I remember those shows – I just don’t remember them being very funny.

    A person defending their reputation you find “disturbing”, yet you seem to rail against the “Clark era” in which character assassination was the order of the day.

    Sounds like some cognitive dissonance to me.

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  178. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yes, I remember those shows – I just don’t remember them being very funny.

    They say a sense of humour is a sign of intelligence.

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  179. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea said: “The tort of defamation needs to be removed from civil law, along with all other forms of censorship”.

    And until it is Kea, Slater runs the risk of the hat-trick if he steps over the line with Craig.

    If Hone the timber worker had reasonable Counsel, he would probably reach settlement well before Hearing – couple of letters usually does the trick, assisted by some weekly pay-back option for legal aid (if Hone qualifies, of course).

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  180. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Yes, Kea, but the humour has to be funny in order for the senses to be entertained. I’d rather drop $10 at the Classic.

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  181. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Kea, he’s a dumbarsed troll with paper thin political perceptions. Yesterday he was telling me Peter Dunne was a “real right winger”. He clearly does not know what freedom of expression is either. My advice is don’t waste your time. A troll most of all.

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  182. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Red: I’ve met Peter Dunne – from my perspective at least, there was certainly nothing in this experience to indicate that Mr Dunne is right about anything.

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  183. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Craig can be trusted to keep his word to those that vote for him

    I’ve got no reason to doubt that that is his intention but as yet it’s unproven. The idealism of the unelected can easily be conflicted if elected.

    Much easier to simply throw mud, I guess.
    I’ve met Peter Dunne – from my perspective at least, there was certainly nothing in this experience to indicate that Mr Dunne is right about anything.

    The latter statement is a very curious, non-specific(deliberately?) and murky claim to make, I guess.

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  184. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    If Hone the timber worker had reasonable Counsel, he would probably reach settlement well before Hearing

    True. But Hone has no money, even though the wrong is the same.

    Redbaiter has issued the following Hadith

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Kea, he’s a dumbarsed troll with paper thin political perceptions. Yesterday he was telling me Peter Dunne was a “real right winger”. He clearly does not know what freedom of expression is either. My advice is don’t waste your time. A troll most of all.

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  185. Chuck Bird (4,819 comments) says:

    Hey, Steve if Slater ends up on the dole again do you think his long suffering wife will stand by him again?

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  186. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird, well she has stood by him when he was “famous” so why question her loyalty if he becomes less famous ?

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  187. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Pete: It is an honest opinion of an actual encounter with the individual named- no guess required.

    Kea: Which is why Hone would most likely qualify for Legal Aid.

    Hadith were statements or approvals given my Muhammad – as Red isn’t Muhammad, Red doesn’t have either the sovereignty or authority to issue a Hadith.

    Best as I can tell, I think Red was issuing a positional perspective, seasoned with a supportive warning against me engaging with you, Kea.

    I have taken this warning under advisement, and have chosen to remain engaged, for now.

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  188. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Chuck: My observation of Juanita is that loyalty is sewn into the very fabric of her soul. I cannot but admire her for this trait.

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  189. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea: Which is why Hone would most likely qualify for Legal Aid.

    On a civil defamation case LOL :)

    PS, Hadiths are enforced by severe penalties. (Legal aid is not available in this case either)

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  190. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    I didn’t realise that Colin Craig needed DPF’s ‘blessings’ to bring legal action, I thought it was/is entirely Colin Craig’s own decision. I also didn’t realise that Colin Craig needed DPF to tell him what he should think or point out to him what satire may or may not be. Very generous of DPF but somehow I gather the impression Colin Craig will himself decide what he finds objectionable to himself and what he may or may not do about it. People can be very generous with ‘ffs’ opinions as to how others should react to ‘satire’ or ‘defamation,’ yet of course those people are invariably not the subject of what might be causing the offence, in fact might be totally enjoying it.

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  191. Chuck Bird (4,819 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird, well she has stood by him when he was “famous” so why question her loyalty if he becomes less famous ?

    I could answer but I will pass for now? BTW, do you read the Herald?

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  192. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird,

    1. Ok

    2. Not often.

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  193. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: Legal aid would include the opportunity to secure free legal advice – in any type of case. Best to think sometimes in the abstract, not always the literal.

    One cannot enforce a penalty, if one does not have the authority to issue one: have another go, perhaps?

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  194. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    And you can judge everything on a single encounter Steve?

    I think Craig was wrong (silly) to legally threaten The Civilian,and there are other things I think he’s wrong about, but I’m sure he’s not wrong about everything.

    You were talking about mud and then did a sweeping smear based on just one encounter.

    BTW, I’m sure Red would warn you off me as well, as he would about 99% of people here.

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  195. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I didn’t realise that Colin Craig needed DPF’s ‘blessings’ to bring legal action, I thought it was/is entirely Colin Craig’s own decision. I also didn’t realise that… blah blah blah

    Seems to be a common theme here :)

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  196. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    The strangest thing I know to most on this blog but I find myself agreeing with 99.9% of what Redbaiter says.

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  197. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve Taylor, that sounds like something out of a Dummies Guide to Zen Buddhism.

    Unfortunately the legal system does not observe your personal reality.

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  198. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Pete: See, that is the thing about assumptions – they are silent defaults that can so easily lead to error, followed by erroneous position.

    I am not aware if you have met Mr Craig: if you haven’t, “surety” is less an option to you, than it is to me, who has met Mr Dunne.

    Calling my statement a “sweeping smear” doesn’t make it a “sweeping smear” – we simply have a different opinion of the individual concerned, which we are both entitled to have.

    I’m not sure why Red would warn me off you Pete – I have experienced nothing to date with you that makes you scary or dangerous to dialogue with.

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  199. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Yes deadrightkev, that is strange, but I guess you haven’t seen 99.9% of what Red has said here. He ends up throwing a wobbly at just about everyone eventually.

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  200. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea said: “Steve Taylor, that sounds like something out of a Dummies Guide to Zen Buddhism. Unfortunately the legal system does not observe your personal reality”

    Mocking attribution aside (and I will not be joining with you at that level), I would now invite you to provide examples of the claim you have made regarding the legal system not providing legal advice to those in need, and without means to access Justice.

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  201. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Steve – how much do you know about my opinion of Peter Dunne?

    Red seems to think everyone who doesn’t agree with him is scary and dangerous, or at least that’s what he claims. But most of it’s an act, he’s one of the original blog Civilians, except I’m not sure he’s aware it’s satire.

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  202. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Pete: I “know” that your opinion of Peter Dunne must be pretty favourable, because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJ0Ibo46JM

    People with unfavourable opinions of Leaders of Parties don’t usually stand for them in Election campaigns.

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  203. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    Pete George, it’s you being ‘silly’ to think that Colin Craig might choose to bring a clear definition to his political message. It’s a message (clarity) that appeals to many people. He certainly isn’t a satirist, nor does he appear to ‘score’ political points to the cost to others in a personal way, if that is indeed his style he is entitled to defend it – of course such a direction scores heavily in many quarters of the electorate, that, might well be the point not being welcomed by DPF and others.

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  204. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ” I would now invite you to provide examples of the claim you have made regarding the legal system not providing legal advice to those in need, and without means to access Justice.”

    I would now invite you to show where I made that statement ?

    Please provide a case where a “Hone” has been granted legal aid for defamation. (as opposed to a white rich prick)

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  205. deadrightkev (388 comments) says:

    It’s because Craig won’t play the game and that is a scary proposition for national.

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  206. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve Taylor, “I have been active on political blogs for the last two or three years”

    Now there is an honest politician (Pete George (17,326) ) :)

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  207. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: you said to my comment “Which is why Hone would most likely qualify for Legal Aid”

    You responded: “On a civil defamation case LOL”

    I qualified the term “Legal Aid” thus: “Legal aid would include the opportunity to secure free legal advice – in any type of case. Best to think sometimes in the abstract, not always the literal”

    So, I would again ask you to provide me an example of the Legal system not offering free legal advice (Legal Aid) for a Civil Law case to a person (such as Hone) without means or resources to afford same.

    Once you have done this, I will provide you with examples of Community groups, Legal organisations, Legal firms, and individual Lawyers, any one of who would indeed assist Hone in his straigtened times.

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  208. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Steve – I didn’t stand for him, I stood for myself when UF asked me if I would. It’s turned out to be quite useful.

    I’ve since built a rapport with Dunne, albeit at a distance. He does his thing, I agree usually and disagree sometimes. And I’m free to do my thing. I’ve nearly always found Dunne to be responsive and always to be straight with me. And I think he’s being very responsible in a powerful pivotal position.

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  209. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So, I would again ask you to provide me an example of the Legal system not offering free legal advice (Legal Aid) for a Civil Law case to a person (such as Hone) without means or resources to afford same.

    So you want me to prove a negative ?

    Do you think a non approved application from a maori timber worker would make the news ? Maybe it would if a rich prick with all his money tied up in trusts and companies had his application declined.

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  210. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    It’s because Craig won’t play the game and that is a scary proposition for national.

    Craig doesn’t know what playing the game is like yet. Politics transforms many people, some by necessity, sometimes because their position goes to their head. It’s impossible to predict in advance how people will react to and behave in a totally alien experience.

    I doubt National are scared of something that still looks unlikely to be a factor for them to have to deal with.

    And if Craig succeeds in getting in to Parliament, if he is true to his word other parties will accept or reject, and I expect both National and Labour would reject his bottom lines.

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  211. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Hi Pete: Standing for yourself would make you an Independent Candidate: you stood for United Future: http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/united-future-announces-election-candidates-4360991

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  212. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: You said “So you want me to prove a negative ?”

    As that is now what it is going to take for you to back up your stated position – then yes.

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  213. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    I was standing for what I could achieve for myself. It’s been useful, still a work in progress.

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  214. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve Taylor, most defamation cases are lodged by rich pricks and over indulged media wankers.

    We should scrape this cause of action entirely. It will effect virtually no one. The one thing we need most in this country is less law.

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  215. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Pete George (17,329) Says:
    April 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
    I was standing for what I could achieve for myself.

    Good on you.

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  216. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: Third time – So, I would again ask you to provide me an example of the Legal system not offering free legal advice (Legal Aid) for a Civil Law case to a person (such as Hone) without means or resources to afford same.

    If you are unable to do so, simply say so.

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  217. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    http://www.justice.govt.nz/services/information-for-legal-professionals/information-for-legal-aid-providers/documents/forms/Civil%20form%205%20Final%20for%20upload.pdf

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  218. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Ummm Kea, that is an example of the Justice system OFFERING Civil Legal Aid for Hone (and doesn’t include other forms of Legal Aid available that I have already raised). You are charged with finding an example of the Justice system NOT doing so, for Hone.

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  219. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve, stop being a dick. You know dam well the Hones of this world seldom get pay outs for defamation.

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  220. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Kea: Ok, so now you do admit that the “Hone’s of this world” can indeed receive Civil Legal Aid assistance, and have the avenues to do so. Thank you.

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