General Debate 9 April 2013

April 9th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Maori Party, sharples, turia, et al are going to ignite a race war in NZ…mark my words.

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  2. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    The Herald are rather pathetically and desperately trying to paint the Danish MP as some kind of ‘Neo Nazi’ and general all round baddie…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10876170

    Unfortunately after listening to the radio, surfing the net and talking round the office it seems a great number of New Zealanders fully agree with Ms Krarup…

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  3. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Where do these saboteurs think the money for their benefits come from?
    “Environmentalists” need a good kick in the arse.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/252387/oil-protesters-shut-down-shell-meeting

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  4. Cunningham (811 comments) says:

    Saw the Q&A interview last night with Shearer. He got completely owned by Woods (who then proceeded to eat Helen Kelly for breakfast). How on earth he has lasted this long as leader of Labour I do not know.

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  5. All_on_Red (1,358 comments) says:

    Longknives
    The article is written by Kate Shuttleworth. What do you expect?

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  6. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    A couple of frowns at John Key. Bryce Edwards on trustworthiness:

    It’s how the politician handles things, and he’s handled it appallingly, and the consensus seems to be that he’s lied in Parliament and he’s lied to the media – at least, he hasn’t told the truth.

    “The public don’t like that. The public don’t like their Prime Minister to be a liar.”

    And are more reasonable but equally damning diss from Colin James

    And, come the following Tuesday when he knew he would be questioned at the post-cabinet press conference, he could have been expected to have got the story straight. Not so. It went downhill from there as the knuckleheads sensed and documented another “brain fade”.

    Again, a memory lapse is not a hanging offence. Even the famously retentive Clark had one from time to time. The issue is not a faultless memory but whether (a) memory lapses happen more often than one would expect of a Prime Minister on top of the job or (b) a memory lapse is convenient, that is, amounts to obfuscation.

    If Key allows himself to be dragged down to gutter level he will be kicked while he’s there.

    On John Key: “it’s an issue of trustworthiness”

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  7. MT_Tinman (2,989 comments) says:

    Cunningham (399) Says:
    April 9th, 2013 at 8:19 am
    Saw the Q&A interview last night with Shearer. He got completely owned by Woods (who then proceeded to eat Helen Kelly for breakfast). How on earth he has lasted this long as leader of Labour I do not know.

    Don’t question it, just enjoy it.

    Long may Shearer reign.

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  8. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    A direct link to Shearer being interviewed by Larry Williams yesterday:
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/player/ondemand/1853504200-david-shearer–the-pm-s-north-korea-comments

    His comments on Tiwai and electricity prices, and on Capital Gains Tax, where typical waffle that appears to be based on genuine ignorance of the subjects he’s talking about.

    But Shearer is not, as some claim, a train wreck – he hasn’t graduated to engine driving yet.

    He looks more like he’s pumping a jigger that has one round wheel, one square wheel, one triangular wheel, and the fourth is missing in action.

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  9. sbk (308 comments) says:

    kowtow….maybe oil and mining companies should take a leaf out of the enviroterrorists playbook(ala Sun Tzu)…grab a few roughnecks,coal miners and crash the next green/environgroup hugfest…passion…stand back.

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  10. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “The Herald are rather pathetically and desperately trying to paint the Danish MP as some kind of ‘Neo Nazi’ and general all round baddie…”

    Yes, and this is why I am so disgusted with the National Party and their “Cyber Bullying Bill”. The left will of course be able to say what they like, but people like Marie Krarup who speak honestly but not in the ordained politically correct manner will be subject to harassment by means of false complaints by the journalists (so called) of the Herald.

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  11. Ross12 (1,148 comments) says:

    It looks like the first item on the agenda,should the Labour/Greens somehow manage to get in after the next election will be to set a Ministry of Inquiries. The are demanding one everyday it seems. Norman now wants another inquiry into the security agencies , presumably because the recently released report on the Govt. instigated inquiry did not say Norman wanted , so he wants to waste more money.

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  12. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    An excellent article: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100210866/an-english-class-for-trolls-professional-offence-takers-and-climate-activists/

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  13. Paulus (2,500 comments) says:

    Hear that Keith Locke has already been shortlisted to run GCSB, and his sister Marie Leadbetter the SIS, under the incoming Labour/Greenpeace Government.

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  14. peterwn (3,156 comments) says:

    About Rio’s request for a smelter subsidy…
    See:
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/holden-says-it-is-being-driven-out-of-australia-20130408-2hhdu.html
    GM Holden has already had $AUD2B of subsidies to try and keep car manufacturing in Australia and says it needs more.

    Some people in NZ seem to think that if the Government gave a one-shot subsidy to Rio to keep Tiwai Smelter open, this would resolve the issue for once and for all and save jobs. As the Holden situation shows, Rio or its successor will be back for more as sure as the sun rises.
    John could see this coming and no doubt significantly influenced his stance.

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  15. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Well well. size matters after all. That’s gunna piss off a lot of whiny lefties.

    Sorry men – size really does matter. And bigger is immeasurably better.

    In a new and definitive scientific study on penis size sure to have global repercussions, a team of Australian National University researchers have put male genitalia under the microscope.

    In a nutshell, the research shows that penis size directly correlates with a man’s attractiveness to women. For some that may be bad enough news, but it gets worse - even the longest penis inspected by the women in the study may not be big enough. Oh shit. None of us make the grade. :lol: 8O

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/8526330/Sorry-lads-size-really-does-matter

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  16. Carlos (686 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 No wonder we invented no sex before marriage. :)

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  17. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    …”Sorry men – size really does matter. And bigger is immeasurably better.”……

    Poor Reddy! :)

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  18. DavidR (102 comments) says:

    “a team of Australian National University researchers have put male genitalia under the microscope.”

    They needed a microscope?

    Well, they were studying Aussies!

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  19. All_on_Red (1,358 comments) says:

    Peterwn
    Holdens problem is twofold. Unions getting huge pay rises for no comensurate increase in productivity and no one wants to buy the Cruze.
    February 2012
    “GM Holden has agreed to an extraordinary wage deal that will lift the income of 4000 employees by up to 22 per cent by 2014, despite the carmaker seeking a taxpayer-funded assistance package from the Gillard government. In a deal hailed by union leaders as “spectacular”, workers will receive a “guaranteed” 18.3 per cent increase over the next three years, with some workers to receive up to 22.3 per cent… The Australian has obtained full details of the agreement, which the union said contained no productivity trade-offs…”
    August 2012
    “Cruze sales were down some 40.0 per cent to just 1875 units – the small car’s worst month since September 2009, 18 months before local production commenced – while the small-car segment overall rose 3.3 per cent.”

    Unsustainable so the end is inevitable.

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  20. dime (9,423 comments) says:

    “In a nutshell, the research shows that penis size directly correlates with a man’s attractiveness to women”

    was there a preference for helmets over socks?

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  21. hmmokrightitis (1,508 comments) says:

    AOR, the Cruze is one of the most ordinary cars Ive had the misfortune to drive. Its a plastic, underpowered POS, end of.

    Thank god it was a rental.

    Now I just need to figure out what to buy next so as to be able to tow a decent sized power boat. Suggestions anyone?

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  22. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Scum, absolute scum

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8639292/man-uses-baby-as-human-shield

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  23. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Wallet size direcly correlates with a man’s attractiveness to women.

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  24. RightNow (6,655 comments) says:

    I read in Stuff that a study that surveyed 105 Canberra women in their prime reproductive years found they all had incredibly stretched vaginas.

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  25. wreck1080 (3,730 comments) says:

    I just watched the campbell live thing on Joeli Vidiri — it was a horrible story, it was like Campbell were attacking him for going off the kidney list. Apparently he had not told anyone except family and wanted his privacy. He had good reasons for going off the list and he was entitled to privacy.

    And, why did Joelis doctors break patient confidentiality by telling the Campbell reporter about Joeli’s medical status?

    Once the reporter found out from the doctors, she went around to Vidiris workplace and told his workmates about this and asked them if they supported him still.

    It was a nasty nasty piece of journalism on an unwell person.

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  26. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    V2 9:39 – Married 25+ years and no complains from Mrs kk :)

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  27. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    It pays off to be a friend of the Messiah: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/entertainment/2013/04/08/beyonce-and-jay-zs-cuba-trip-was-approved-by-treasury-department-report-says/

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  28. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    @ krazykiwi

    … that’s not what she told me…( wink )

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  29. stigie (907 comments) says:

    @ krazykiwi

    ” And me “

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  30. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    This animal gets only 9 years (will be out in 4, ready to kill and maim more innocent people): http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/8523110/Nine-year-sentence-for-bashing-deserved

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  31. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    This animal gets only 9 years (will be out in 4, ready to kill and maim more innocents people):

    @Manolo
    Worse still, the judge blames ALCOHOL!!
    “During sentencing Justice Miller said if society wanted to reduce violent offences committed under the influence of alcohol it had to inhibit people from drinking so much in the first place. ”

    Fucking hell judge Miller. Maybe if you want to reduce people effectively killing people, our judges should start giving appropriate sentences for deliberately inflicted head injuries!!

    It wasn’t alcohol that has destroyed Mr Bryden’s life. It was Ioritana Tuau.

    I’ll sound nasty, but the sooner some of our protected judges get to be on the receiving end of the brutal crimes they forgive criminals for, the better.

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  32. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    LOL liabor and stigie :)

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  33. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Fleecing the Australian people. Can you imagine a delegation of 52? :
    Taxpayers forked out nearly $900,000 to send Julia Gillard and her 52-strong contingent to last year’s climate change summit in Brazil…

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/julia-gillards-delegation-to-brazil-for-climate-change-summit-cost-taxpayers-900000/story-fnho52ip-1226615165919

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  34. backster (2,076 comments) says:

    Manolo……Did she take a Kapahaka party of abos with her.

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  35. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    It seems that it is gravely offensive and culturally insensitive to hover a helicopter over Mount Cook. And illegal to to the tune of a $3,750 fine. Is it any wonder so many New Zealanders are getting so tired of this pc bull****

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8527878/Hovering-helicopter-gravely-offensive

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  36. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    By way of comparison, I wonder what will Harawira’s nephews cop as a fine for beating up a 12 year old?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8528092/Harawiras-nephews-in-court

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  37. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    “the most sacred of ancestors, from whom Ngai Tahu descend and who provide the iwi with its sense of communal identity, solidarity and purpose”

    What a steaming pile of shite. There is no evidence Maori even knew the bloody Mountain existed and if they did happen to make their way that far inland- how the hell would they even know it was the highest peak?

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  38. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    ..a simple ” koha ” of around five hundy for each hover shall suffice thank you whitey…

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  39. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Obviously unaware of the appropriate koha protocol then.

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  40. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Graeme2 @ 5.07

    1 What makes you think they will cop a fine ?
    2 Even if they do it will be paid off @ $2 per week out of their bene.
    3 After the ‘family group conference’ the 12 year old kid will come to his senses
    and say he provoked the attack on himself.
    4 The judge will take into account Hinewares submission that she has expertese in these
    matters and she will provide adequete counseling for her sprogs and this will never
    happen again untill the next time.

    http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/harawira-quits-anti-violence-role-by-vaimoana-tapa/1762785/

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  41. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    Graeme2: I saw that item..apparently the offence is so much the more offensive because “Aoraki” is regarding by the Ngai Tahu as their ancestor, from whom they all trace descent…how though can this be, when Ngai Tahu – originally from the Kapiti area IIRC – only had possession of most of South Island – by conquest of course – for a generation or so before the honky arrived? Can someonoe explain to me how a tribe originally from the North Island can have a sacred ancestor (let’s be geopomorphic for a moment, and assume a mountain can be an ancestor) which is situated down towards the bottom of the South Island?

    Or is such knowledge itself a taonga, and we are not allowed to know? Or even ask?

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  42. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Because under the current rules they can make it up as they go along. I thought they originated from the Poverty Bay either way it’s a load of nonsense that our pc appeaser brigade have allowed into law.

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  43. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    Actually Graeme, my question is serious: How can a tribe which originated in the North Island (it wasnt Poverty Bay, I know that much) have a mountain in the south of the South Island – or Te Wai Pounamu if you prefer – as an ancestor?

    All leftie hand wringers, please step forward and educate me….

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  44. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    David I agree with you maybe someone with more knowledge on this mountain as an ancestor thing would like to educate us both.

    Te Ara says that Ngai Tahu landed in Poverty Bay then moved to Wellington and subsequently to the top of the South Island in the 18th century.

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  45. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    What’s Te Ara?? (Another serious question, I have no idea…I thought Te Rauparaha drove them out of the Kapiti area in the early 18th century)

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  46. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    Socialist thinking at its finest.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcmoer2167d0zu4/Libtards1.jpg

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  47. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    David Te Ara is an online NZ encyclopedia – Here is the Ngai Tahu link http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ngai-tahu/page-1

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  48. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    nasska, it’s rather winterish and so I’ve upgraded my ride to something that will afford me a little protection from drivers who are missing their summer cyclists. Hope to see you soon. Masterton isn’t it? Just over the hill ;)

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  49. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Ngai tahu didn’t just assimilate Waitaha people. They assimilated their oral traditons as well, including those of Aoraki.

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  50. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    Things are getting serious krazykiwi. This indicates that a change in tactics may be necessary….the Landcruiser will be fitted with drones immediately. :)

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  51. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    This is unreal!

    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/black-caviars-halfbrother-sells-for-record-5-million-20130409-2hj1k.html

    Makes the few hundred here and there I pay into my syndicate look pretty pathetic…

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  52. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    Light Coffee coloured with a Gut Ache

    ….”Ngai tahu didn’t just assimilate Waitaha people. They assimilated their oral traditons as well, including those of Aoraki.”….

    That was a stroke of luck! If they’d just thrown them in the hangi & forgotten about the traditions, the rest of NZ would have saved a shitload in koha & settlements. :)

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  53. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    “Ngai tahu didn’t just assimilate Waitaha people. They assimilated their oral traditons as well, including those of Aoraki.”

    “assimilate” Was that having them over for dinner?

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  54. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    It’s Waitaha that gives Ngai Tahu their credibility and legitimacy to claims of ownership to most of the Sth island. Without that they’re just another bunch of cunning murderous cannibal johnny come latelys from up north :)

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  55. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Song of Waitaha, the book narrated to Barry Brailsford, should be compulsory reading/study for all NZers, but especially for sth islanders.

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  56. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    A woman from Waiheke Island, who was a tree
    hugger, purchased a piece of native bush.
    There was a large tree on one of
    the highest points in the property. She wanted a
    good view of the natural splendor of her land so
    she started to climb the big tree. As she neared
    the top she encountered a nesting tui that
    attacked her.

    In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the
    tree to the ground and got many splinters in her
    crotch. In considerable pain, she hurried to the
    nearest doctor. She told him she was an
    environmentalist and how she
    came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened
    to her story with great patience and then told her
    to go into the examining room and he would see
    if he could help her.

    She sat and waited three hours before the doctor
    reappeared. The angry woman demanded, “What
    took you so long?”

    He smiled and then told her, “Well, I had to get
    permits from the Auckland Regional Council,
    the local Iwi and The Department of Conservation
    before I could remove old-growth timber from your
    recreational area.”

    “I’m sorry, but they turned me down.”

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  57. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    “Song of Waitaha…”
    And which recently fabricated version of New Zealand History is that? There are so many ‘Noble Savage’ texts these days…

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  58. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    It’s not Waitaha that gives Ngai Tahu anything ,it’s the taxpayer with national acting as the legitimiser of this constant screwing of NewZealanders for imagined grievances.

    Ngai Tahu is a megacorp set up as a charity (pays fuck all tax)that pays its top executives massive salaries while disbursing very little to its beneficiaries.

    Now that’s a story our crusading MSM does not want to tackle,

    We larf at the banksters ,Cyprus ,Greece ,US money printing etc.

    Look no further than the ripped off NZ taxpayer.

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  59. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    So “Black” ( I suppose calling yourself that has some sort of meaning for you): let me get this straight…the Waitaha, who originally inhabited what is now the Ngai Tahu rohe (yes, even rednecks can know a few words) thought their ancestor was Aoraki…so Ngai Tahu, who “assimilated” the Waitaha – and like others, I do think that nice euphemism probably means “enslaved most and ate a few – along with all their oral traditions…including their ancestorship belief…Do I have that right?

    And if so, does that make any kind of sense to you? Or is there some sort of different logic for those with more melanin in their skins? Or again, arent we allowed to know?

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  60. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Black etc
    Actually If Ngai Tahu, Waitaha, Ngati Irish or whatever they are these days want to believe that Mt Cook is their ancestor I couldn’t care less. What I do object to though are laws based on superstition that punish other people as a result of this superstition.

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  61. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    Medium Beige with Chronic Haemorrhoids

    From Wikipedia:

    ….”In 1995 a book by controversial author Barry Brailsford, Song of Waitaha: The Histories of a Nation, claimed that the ancestors of a “Nation of Waitaha” were the first inhabitants of New Zealand, three groups of people of different races, two of light complexion and one of dark complexion, who had arrived in New Zealand from an unspecified location in the Pacific, 67 generations before the book appeared.”…..

    If that theory had got traction we would have Full & Final Settlement B Team waiting for the payout the Full & Final Settlement B Side conned off the whitey. Your mates down Nelson way would have rivalled Croesus. :)

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  62. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    It’s funny how a self declared , “blue arsed pasifikan.” coconut from some island has now
    become an authority in his own mind on maori and New Zealand history.

    How TF did that happen, “Black with a Vengeance” or “polywog” or whatever you’re calling yourself
    today ?

    Maybe you got enlightenment on your great, “voyage of bullshit.”

    Where did you get your great truth from then ?

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  63. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    David- As Willie has said time and time again, Pakeha are simply too “ignorant” to understand. Now hand over that ‘koha’ chumps…

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  64. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Fuck you’re a money grubbing idiot kowtow.

    Look it up and read it Longknives. That its probaby the most accurate book of early Maori settlement and pretty much universally despised by Maori speaks volumes to it’s truthfulness.

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  65. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    Graeme2: Thanks for that link..I was partly 1` right, I knew the Wellington area played a part in theee…but what is disturbing is that that is a govt.nz website, which means all of our taxes are paying for the maintenance of a site which carries what is the currently fashionable bunch of fairy stories derived from Maori “oral history”…but the Justice Department doesnt have the resources – so we are told – to build and maintain a user friendly website which tells us who our second strikers under the “three strikes” law are: where they live, what their first and second strike offences were, and what sentences they got on each occasion…all of that is public information….

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  66. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Gets worse

    Read the shit that national added to the Act that that poor offensive hoverer was done under.

    Fucking unbelievable that bollocks like that is written up in our laws.

    Scrap all reference to Treaty,race based seats etc

    One law for all CITIZENS .No special treatment or financial deals for tribes.

    This is criminal!

    http://www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/about-doc/role/policies-and-plans/aoraki-mount-cook-np-management-plan-appendices.pdf

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  67. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Read this Garrett

    http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ngai-tahu/page-5

    And bereal you fucking idiot. WHERE do you think Maori got their earliest traditions and legends and gods from?

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  68. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Where?

    Made them up like everyone else did.

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  69. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Black etc

    “That its probably the most accurate book of early Maori settlement and pretty much universally despised by Maori speaks volumes to it’s truthfulness. ”

    Yes I have heard some Maori arguing strongly that Waitaha were just another Maori tribe. I guess if they were to accept the Waitaha claim of being in NZ much earlier “Tangata te Whenua” status goes out the window along with a whole lot of spurious claims.

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  70. Jim (397 comments) says:

    N. Korea calls on foreigners living in S. Korea to devise evacuation plans

    lolol. Seems that they are running out of hyperbole runway.

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  71. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Tangata whenua only applies to an iwi/hapu within their rohe.

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  72. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Yep. he really is a nasty fucked up piece of work this blue arsed pasifican.

    How sad, or is it laughable that he is a proud coconut when it suits, otherwise he pretends to be a maori
    when he thinks that that would give his racist argument more gravitas.

    Have you ever struck such a sad sack with such a huge chip on his hard done by black shoulders ?

    Poor sod. Try and lighten up. Your BP must be going through the roof.

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  73. Reid (15,939 comments) says:

    Tangata whenua only applies to an iwi/hapu within their rohe.

    So we’re all NZ’ers then?

    Crikey.

    Why not just say so?

    You lefties make it so complicated, don’t you.

    No wonder you can’t come up with any decent policies on anything, if that’s how you all think, inside of your own heads.

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  74. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Such a pathetically ignorant waste of time, space and energy you are bereal.

    You’ll never understand that we as Pasifikans are one people. Tangata o te Moana nui a Kiwa.

    Colonial mindtricks of divide and conquer failed and we will now assimilate you all.

    Resistance is futile….MWAHAHAHA :)

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  75. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh dear. And now we resort to infantile bwahahaha
    to make our point. Jeez.

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  76. nasska (10,653 comments) says:

    ….”Pasifikans are one people.”…..

    You couldn’t get together & agree on how to open the keg at a hui! :)

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  77. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Lefty policies like kiwibank and kiwisaver and the Cullen fund?

    And what’s your boy got to show for himself after 5 years Reid? Selling the family state silverware and the youth into serfdom.

    You’re such a fucking tool. And not the sharp kind either.

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  78. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days nasska…enjoy your day in the sun.

    The long night approaches…

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  79. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Heh…you’ve just been pwned bereal ,only you’re too stupid to realise it.

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  80. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Winner Blackie.

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  81. Reid (15,939 comments) says:

    Lefty policies like kiwibank and kiwisaver and the Cullen fund?

    And WFF for rich pricks and interest-free student loans and buying AirNZ and a trainset and abolishing the PC and eliminating the honours and anti-smacking etc etc etc.

    No wonder you lost so badly Hulun had to leave the country.

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  82. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    I don’t know or care what race you are Black Whatever…what I DO know – from many years living in the Pacific, and being married into a Tongan family – is that this “Pasifika” shit is just that…shit….Lots of dancing and smiling at Western Springs every year is meaningless…

    The Tongans hate the Samoans who hate the Fijians because they are blacker (almost certainly than you) and the whole lot hate the Chinese, mainly because they work much harder and their businesses flourish as a result…in fact I would venture to suggests “Pasifikans” as a group are the most racist people in the world…they hate everyone who doesn’t belong to “their lot”…(excepting from that statement of course the Japanese, who regard the Chinese as next to animals, and the rest of us as “barbarians”…

    You are a dickhead mate…

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  83. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    DG

    ‘this “Pasifika” shit is just that…shit…’

    well said, and backed up with reason. Hard to refute.

    great conclusion.

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  84. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    Beryl: I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not…Perhaps I stated the conclusion before the reasons for reaching it, but they are there, in the second para…

    When I was in Tonga I had a Tongan lawyer working for me who was a gun rugby player. He said when they played Samoa in Samoa, and they were winning, they had a code word worked out which the half back would say several minutes before the end..when that word was spoken, the Tongan boys would abandon the game and rush for their bus…if they didnt make it there was an all in brawl as both the opposing team and the Samoan supporters beat them up for winning. I am sure the converse was true when the Samoan schoolboy rep team played in Tonga, although Henry was very quiet about that.

    I have 100 anecdotes like that…and another 100 from Samoa in which the Tongans are the bad guys…If you think all the smiling and dancing and singing hymns together at “Pasifika” every year represents how they really feel about each other, then “all good” as the yoof say…I think otherwise…

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  85. RightNow (6,655 comments) says:

    “Tangata whenua only applies to an iwi/hapu within their rohe.”

    Bullshit. I’m tangata whenua.

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  86. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    You’re such a hateful man and so full of shit Garrett .

    The plural of anecdote is not evidence, you dimwit, and tell that to your equally dimwitted friend who believes your ‘hard to refute reasoings’.

    Hahaha…what a right pair of dumbasses you two are!

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  87. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    DG
    my effort at 10.50 was straight up. No sarcasm at all.
    i thought you made good sense and gave the lie to BWAV rant.

    Poor old BWAV, always has to resort to ad hominen, just a saddo.

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  88. David Garrett (6,396 comments) says:

    Pigmented one: I suspect you have actually spent very little time in the Pacific, and what time you have, in your own ancestral land. What educated PI’s do at leftie gatherings in south Auckland bears very little resemblance to what happens on the ground “back home”…ask my wife….and while you are at it, ask her what she thinks of Samoans and Fijians…

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  89. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Being married to you Garrett, its hardly surprising your wife holds bigoted grudges.

    The rest of us enlightened Pasifikans have moved on.

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  90. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    TWAT:

    The rest of us enlightened Pasifikans have moved on.

    Moved on? Hardly – you still have an identity crisis because you haven’t been able to work out what name to use today…

    Is it to be Pollywog? TWAT? BWAV? Pollywannacracka? Your radio persona? MORON? Or all of the above?

    Nah – you’re in a time warp… with your GPS stuck a long way south of Kiribati. :D

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  91. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    True, we’re still sorting the identity thing and yes traditional Pasifikan names weren’t/aren’t as straight forward as having a Christian, middle and surname. Perhaps i should have said , are moving on.

    Thanks for pointing that out E-Lackey. You’re fast becoming my bitch and I like that. :)

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  92. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    ^^^what she said! :)

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  93. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    Oh Dear Black with a Vengeance/Pollywog…

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  94. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Oh Darling longknives…

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  95. All_on_Red (1,358 comments) says:

    “You’re fast becoming my bitch and I like that”

    Your dicks too small to be of any use to any bitch. Finished work at the Union today have you?

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  96. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    How cute…they’re all lining up for a lap dance.

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  97. itstricky (1,556 comments) says:

    The plural of anecdote is not evidence

    That was a brillant line.

    bereal’s “well said, and backed up with reason. Hard to refute.” based on …. wait for it…. an anecdote… hillarious (yes, in a sarcastic mocking way, not an agreement)

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