Herald on Tuhoe settlement

June 10th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald editorial:

The whole country ought to be celebrating the historic settlement with Tuhoe signed at Parliament last week. Tuhoe marked the occasion by turning up in large numbers, filling Parliament’s Banquet Hall, Grand Hall, Legislative Chamber and lobbies as well as the Pipitea Marae nearby. It puts to rest grievances that have festered for up to 160 years in the Ureweras where Tuhoe resisted the and asserted their independence.

If there was one Iwi which I thought a settlement may never happen with, it was Tuhoe.

It ought to be noted that the Office of Treaty Settlements does not always contest claimants’ versions of history. Settlements are considered more important than rigorous historical inquiry. But the Tuhoe have ample support for their version from the Waitangi Tribunal and academic research. They stand to receive $170 million in compensation. The agreement has yet to be ratified by the tribe but last week’s turn-out at Parliament gives confidence that it will be. Mr Kruger hopes some of the $170 million will be used for water supply, sewerage and electricity to remote communities.

Sounds good.

The Tuhoe deal is one of 12 done with iwi in the current financial year. The Government’s aim to have all outstanding Waitangi claims wrapped up in two more years is now in sight. Since 1990, 62 settlements have been reached and while 60 remain, the Crown is talking to claimants in every area. Often the first stage, getting agreement between claimants on their representation, is the most difficult.

At times, National has seemed in too much of a hurry to finish the settlements and put history behind us at last. Nothing will be gained if today’s deals do not satisfy more than the present generation of claimants.

The settlements can never match the monetary value today of the resources iwi lost. They will be “full and final” settlements only once they have managed to lift overall Maori levels of education, employment, business and wealth.

I disagree. The settlements are about resolving grievances, not about “closing the gaps”. What Iwi spend their settlements on, and whether they lead to an increase in education, employment and wealth is up to them. Some Iwi have decided to lease their fishing quota to foreign crewed fishing vessels, rather than have local companies create jobs for locals. That is their decision to make – to have an emphasis on wealth over jobs. But in no way does their decisions on how to use their settlements, mean the settlements can not be regarded as full or final.

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45 Responses to “Herald on Tuhoe settlement”

  1. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    The Tuhoe deal is one of 12 done with iwi in the current financial year.

    And the many more to come over the next fifty (not two) years. The Treaty gravy train will keep rolling.
    As long as there is easy money, the racists and their lawyers will never find anything full and final. Guaranteed.

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  2. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    There will be no end to “Treaty” grievances.

    Ngai Tahu got 5 settlements,the last in 1997 and they still stick their oar in over water etc under the once dead but now very alive treaty.

    The only answer is one standard of citizenship for all.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/212056/complaint-industry-still-rambles

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  3. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “festered for up to 160 years” – wow! how old are these people???

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  4. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    @dime yup, I for one am constantly looking back at the grievances inflicted on my family 5 generations ago.

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  5. GJKiwi (175 comments) says:

    My only real hope is that Tuhoe seek good financial advice, such as has been the case with the Ngai Tahu. It really seems a shame that so many of the settlements have turned to custard because of poor financial management. The Ngai Tahu have used a huge amount of common sense and employed excellent managers, who aren’t all Maori, to manage their continually growing assets. They also negotiated the right to having first option on any crown land for sale in the whole of the South Island. The real settlement will be when Maori realise that everybody in New Zealand has an equal claim to the country and they get on with life and seek better education and health outcomes. Watching Parekura Horomia’s funeral and the food that was being presented, I have no doubt as to why Maori have such short life expectancy. When they realise that the statement “if it is to be, it is up to me” applies to everybody, the whole of New Zealand will be much better off. Of course, they have every right to demand legal compensation for wrongs of the past, but bemoaning their current position won’t help. I look forward to a more positive future from all of the inhabitants of this country.

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  6. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Yes I’ll celebrate tonight with a beer..celebrate that we’ve been bent of so many times and rogered with our own money my arse needs resleeving ..this whole treaty gravy train rort is going to explode one day and its only going to end in tears and warfare.

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  7. Longknives (4,748 comments) says:

    “The whole country ought to be celebrating the historic settlement with Tuhoe ”

    This has got to be ‘Tongue in Cheek’ right?
    Most the bloody country want an end to greedy Maori activists holding the country to ransom…

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  8. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    So we can look forward the personal circumstance of the Tuhoe people measurably improving from here on ?

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  9. Redbaiter (8,882 comments) says:

    ..

    “The whole country ought to be celebrating the historic settlement with Tuhoe signed at Parliament last week.”

    A disgraceful statement that demonstrates so aptly why this cowardly propaganda sheet (The NZ Herald) needs to go the same way as its Fairfax competition.

    The Tuhoe settlement was a disgusting dishonest fraud on the taxpayers of NZ and everyone involved with it would be jailed if there was ever any truth and justice in this country.

    The Treaty industry is utterly corrupt, and the political framework surrounding it is also corrupt, but if the cowardly scum at the Herald were DOING THEIR DAMN JOB and reporting truth rather than racist and/ or PC lies and propaganda, this situation might just change for the better.

    It won’t though. That NZ’s media not only turned a blind eye to this corruption, but rather promoted it is such a betrayal of truth that it will never be forgiven.

    http://treatygate.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/turias-holocaust-a-settler-mums-view/

    .

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  10. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    “festered for up to 160 years” – wow! how old are these people?

    You should know that eating long pig is very good for longevity.

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  11. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter,

    The Herald hasn’t exactly shown much interest in what critical voices have to say even to rebut them. They are the propaganda wing of the Cathedral.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10846613

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  12. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    ***They will be “full and final” settlements only once they have managed to lift overall Maori levels of education, employment, business and wealth.***

    The modern liberal viewpoint in a nutshell. White guilt will never be assauged until there is group equality. Until then the demands for more will continue. Of course, this is a Sisyphean task because groups are by definition different to some extent.

    It’s a shame there are no settlements for Europeans, to lift their levels of education to similar levels of Asian kiwis.

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  13. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    DPF, you are well aware that on most things I regard you as a sensible – and above all honest – voice of integrity and reason. But on this “full and final settlement” bullshit, you very well know that such will never be the case – once you have a second “full and final” settlement the road is open for the 22nd. The wily leaders of the various iwi know that, and the more honest of them even now openly say that one generation cannot bind future generations, and what has been paid over the past 20 years or so is merely the most recent installment.

    The less honest of them sing their waiata lustily in parliament, when another settlement is made, and piously state that now they have accepted a pittance for what they have lost, all will be well. In that duplicity they have very good company – I heard the Attorney General on Nat Rad asking himself the other day “Will these settlements be revisited in 40 years? The answer is No.” The best that can be said about that statement is that Finlayson has no better idea than the rest of us what will or might happen in 40 years.

    History suggests that each generation will have another crack, and each generation of politicians will cringe meekly and hand out some more taxpayer money. You know that. If you dont, you bloody well should; there is no shortage of literature on the subject.

    I wouldn’t mind so much if the gummint came out and said “We are always going to be paying them off. That is the alternative to civil war. Get used to it”, or something like that. At least that would be the truth, rather than this mealy mouthed charade..A charade in which you are an active participant.

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  14. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    I cast my eye down the list of commenters to see if there were any with even a modicum of knowledge of history.
    Shouldn’t have bothered.
    Well done DPF on taking the time to look at the issue. You are being somewhat of a lone voice in the wilderness…

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  15. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    DG

    So correct. A certain senior lecturer in Maori studies at Uni of Waikato told his 80% white, Europen NZ’er history class several yers ago, that, as far as he was concerned there will never. ever be an end to Maori grievnces and that he goes to bed every night planning how he can contribute to the ongoing war the following day.

    As he was/is a senior lecturer and was to be shown respect, no-one challenged him. I think most of his audience were simply too stunned by what he was saying.

    The man himself is regarded as a joke by his own tribe, but he still holds his position and is still sticking his hand out every payday for lucre from the hated European, while spreading his poison.

    Being Maori of course, he is never challenged and with the UoW’s views on such matters very well known, this is not exactly surprising…

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  16. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    Lloyd: What history? The background to the settlements of the 1940’s? My primary source on them is the chapter on the raupatu settlements in Michael King’s “Te Puea”, a work recommended to me by no less than Denese Henare, then lawyer for the Tainui, as the best and most accurate source on the raupatu settlement of 1946. Have you read it? Available from your local public library.

    On the six or seven “final” settlements of the Ngai Tahu claim, the link in Kowtow’s post – shorn of a bit of rhetoric – accurately tells the story. Have you read any of the sources quoted there?

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  17. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Rudyard Kipling’s Dane-Geld

    It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
    “We invaded you last night–we are quite prepared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you’ve only to pay ‘em the Dane-geld
    And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say: —
    “Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.

    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say: —

    “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that pays it is lost!”

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  18. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    Lloyd, what Iwi do you defend as lawyer?

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  19. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Lloyd posted at 12.26:

    …I cast my eye down the list of commenters to see if there were any with even a modicum of knowledge of history…

    You’d be talking about the oral “history” that lefty, revisionist historians cite, wouldn’t you, Lloyd?

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  20. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    As Not PC and Chris Trotter (to name but two) have pointed out, the Tuhoe aren’t exactly innocent. There is a reason the Govt came down so hard on them and that is because they harboured and joined forces with the infamous murderer Te Kooti – joined him in raping, killing and looting forays.

    Imagine, if you will, that a savage murderer has been moving up the country, and he’s heading your way.  He seeks refuge in your large, rambling property (which you share with extended family).  Instead of either handing him over or doing him in (in both of which you would be justified), you and your whanau choose instead to join him in his savagery and plunder, heading out on expeditions of rapine and looting before coming home to hunker down in the least accessible parts of your refuge to fend off John Law, who naturally wants to put a stop to your lawlessness and brutality.

    The law decides the safest way to stop you and your partner in crime is to starve you out, a strategy that meets with success—but whose perfectly justifiable results a century-and-a-half later are used to justify further pillage, this time of taxpayers apparently ignorant of the reasons for the original dispossession.

    This is the short history of what happened when Tuhoe gave refuge to stone killer Te Kooti before joining in enthusiastically in his genocidal killing sprees—for which you and I are being punished now for the punishment that was meted out to the killers then. (~Not PC)

    As is often the case, history is being revised to favour the Maori; making them into the innocent victims of the white man (which they are not).
    I do not think the Govt owes them anything, to be honest. The taxpayer is having to fork out in the name of political correctness.

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  21. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Tihei Mauri Ora….BLEHH :razz:

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  22. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    @ Fletch

    Lets not forget that Tuhoe also sent warriors to fight in the Waikato in 1864 well before the support provided to Te kooti and to Kereopa the ringleader in the vicious murder of missionary Karl Volkner in Opotiki in 1865.
    Tuhoe ultimately had very little land confiscated for their discretion’s and got off rather lightly in my view.

    Anyone any thoughts on this new political party in the wings- http://1law4all.co.nz/

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  23. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Above should read “indiscretions”

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  24. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    What a great website Graeme. thanks for that,.I hope it sprouts legs

    http://1law4all.co.nz/

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  25. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    It needs people to join it to “sprout legs”

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  26. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    True Graeme…and I’ve just put me 10 bucks forward.

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  27. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    laj: This new party will be a joke too…Very few people vote on one single issue, and no single issue party has ever got traction in NZ. The closest was the two “Christian” parties, and look what happened to them.

    I am told they have more than one backer with a lot of smash…expect that person or persons to be several million dollars poorer after the next election…and have nothing to show for it.

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  28. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    uhhh…Maori party…seabed/foreshore…errr…traction!

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  29. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Wonder what car valet service got to clean the Bentley after little Tommy alighted. They deserve a QSM in the next round of honours! :)

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  30. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    “laj: This new party will be a joke too…Very few people vote on one single issue, and no single issue party has ever got traction in NZ. The closest was the two “Christian” parties, and look what happened to them.”

    If everyone takes this attitude it will be a self fulfilling prophesy. Whats your solution then DG?

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  31. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Whats your solution then DG?

    Fake it til you make it i imagine…

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  32. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Its an alternative DG…none of the other scum deserve my vote.

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  33. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    If you regard the other parties as ‘scum’, perhaps you have found the right organisation for you.

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  34. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Mike Butlers take on Tuhoe http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/mike-butler-tuhoe-victims-or.html

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  35. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    BAV: You are quite right of course…I had genuinely not thought of the Maori Party….but I think even a well pigmented one like yourself would agree that they are now fighting for their life…as Mana will be, once they fail again to come anywhere near 5%, leaving Hone as the lone idiot proudly running up huge expense claims on Parliamentary Services

    What’s my answer? Other than that one or more of the existing parties should grow a pair, and close off the books conclusively once and for all, I dont have one.

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  36. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Well at least that is honest DG. I am not so sure that a single issue party will fail. With all the claims going through, the water and airwaves nonsense and the creeping maorification of the country more and more people have had enough. Even getting across the 5% threshold may be enough to make a difference. If the support is forthcoming and the party started to feature in the polls I suggest that National may start to find something between their legs that they have forgotten were there.

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  37. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    Graeme2: my knowledge of the Tuhoe history is imperfect, but from what I do know, the source that you link to at 6.48 is excellent. I’ll bet my arse – a valuable part of my anatomy – that Finlayson has never read it, or any of the sources it quotes from.

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  38. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    DG I have read Cowan and Best on the Urewera campaigns. Certainly much closer to Mike Butlers version than Paul Moon or Judith Binney. What is often overlooked also is that a lot of the fighting against Tuhoe and their allies was actually undertaken by Ngati Porou and Te Arawa. At Horomia’s funeral recently the press announced that Tuhoe and Ngati Porou had “buried the hatchet” after 150 years.
    I doubt Finlayson actually cares whether the history is right or wrong he just wants to go down as the person who finally put Maori grievances to rest. Fat chance of that in my opinion.

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  39. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It would take a brave pakeha politician to advocate for further significant payments to, say, Tainui, Ngai Tahu or Tuhoe within the next couple of decades at least.

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  40. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    A bit of a look on facebook.

    http://www.tuhoematauranga.org.nz/Tuhoe.html

    In 2006 the Tûhoe population was 32,670. Only about 5,000 Tûhoe reside in the tribal homelands. Most live in the larger cities, and the towns on the fringes of Te …

    http://www.ngaituhoe.com/Folders/tuhoephotos.html

    http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?init=quick&q=tuhoe%20&tas=0.6288627080323501&form=FBKBFR&type=web

    http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?type=web&wspq=tuhoe&q=tuhoe%20establishment%20trust&source=sg&form=FBKFTA

    http://www.facebook.com/TheTuhoeBuilding?ref=ts&fref=ts

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Te-Urewera-Treks/213537540230?fref=ts

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Te-Urewera-Treks/213537540230?id=213537540230&sk=photos_stream

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  41. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    MM: Why dont you read YOUR history? We have been re-settling supposedly full and final settlements for at least the last 20 years…If Finlayson and his cabinet colleagues were serious, they would be entrenching this latest lot…they haven’t…these “full and final settments” can be repealed by simple majority, just as the settlements made in the 40’s were in the 90’s…This stuff is not hard to find…

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m just wondering what settlements Tuhoe have received previously. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

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  43. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    …”I’m just wondering what settlements Tuhoe have received previously.”….

    I’d say that they’d be numerically equal to the number of times Tuhoe signed the Treaty. :)

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  44. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    “I’m just wondering what settlements Tuhoe have received previously. Perhaps you can enlighten me.”

    Read Mike Butlers article as linked above.

    “This payment is on top of $60-million that Tuhoe received as part of the Central North Island forests collective settlement in 2008, and £100,000 received in 1958 as compensation for a road that was not completed.”

    The treelords settlement was another complete rort completed by Michael Cullen just before he left Parliament and became a treaty negotiator for Tuwharetoa (another beneficiary of the deal). The land on which the Kaingaroa forest sits was purchased in 1881 from very willing sellers and the proceeds delivered in cash by Gilbert Mair. The story of this sale is quite interesting-

    “From the written and verified account by Captain Gilbert Mair below, the old Chief Peraniko, who had died two years before Captain Mair could return to Galetea to pay him and his tribes for the Kaingaroa Plains, “was exhumed for the grand occasion”. From the gifts offered to Captain Mair and other Crown officials present, there is no denying, the tribes at the time were completely satisfied with the land sold and the monies received. This article from Captain Gilbert Mair, who negotiated the purchase and paid the money, was sent to the Hon Dr Michael Cullen, but he completely ignored it!!

    I have read Gilbert Mairs account of this story from the book “Maori stories and reminiscences” if I recall correctly. But this quote is from-

    http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/wordpress/articles/kaingaroa-forest/

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  45. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    there’s your answer(s) mikey…settlements all made with a tribe who never signed the damn thing…

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