Rudd lurches right

July 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Labour in 2007 campaigned against John Howard’s Pacific solution which saw go to Naaru, while their claims for asylym were processed (but if they qualified, they could them come to Australia). Howard was demonised for this policy, but Labor’s replacement policies have been disastrous, with the number of boats and people attempting the voyage increasing almost exponentially, and many many people dying in the attempt.

has now come out with a policy that is to the right of John Howard’s. He has announced that all boat people will be sent to Papua New Guinea, regardless of whether or not they qualify for asylum.

This could well help him win the election, as Labor’s failed policy was indefensible. However will his own party and activists support such a policy? The next few weeks will be interesting.

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24 Responses to “Rudd lurches right”

  1. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    This is the trouble with Labour and Greens in NZ, they have lurched too far to the left and their vested interests want to keep it that way. Greens might as well re-brand themselves as the Communist Party.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Sounds like a dump-and-run policy from Rudd, and there are reports that he will announce an election date today, hoping for another bounce in the polls. He’s an awful man, but you kind of have to admire his rat-cunning.

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  3. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Extraordinary. If the Aussies fall for this new and improved Rudd well more fool them. Shearer’s only option is to follow suit and lurch right but this will make him look a lurcher which is a great big useless dog

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  4. Redbaiter (8,923 comments) says:

    Rudd lurching right?

    Makes a change from National lurching to the left.

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  5. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    @peterwn,

    I think the problem with changing their name is that their activists find the communists too right wing

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  6. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    Repost from GD:

    This is exactly the line our govt needs also to push, because there’s a misconception amongst the public that boat people are fleeing persecution, which most of them are not. But the lefties and the media continue to push this lie about persecution and it needs to be vigorously countered, and it easily can be, with data from all the Aussie boat people.

    The public also need to be told exactly what costs arise from boat people. They need to be housed, clothed, fed and processed which normally takes around 18 months. And if after all that cash goes down the drain and it turns out they are not genuine refugees we then pay for them to be returned but we have to a find a country to take them first and that’s often not easy because normally their home country refuses to take them back because none of these people have identification and the home country refuses to accept them without it. That’s what happens when a few hundred people arrive in the Hauraki Gulf and Australia has had in 2013, as of April 10, 75 boats with 5031 passengers. And every single Indonesian trafficker is now looking to NZ.

    Those are the facts and they need to be put out so people get the size of the issue, as opposed to the weeping, wailing, hand-wringing lies that are to date, the only contribution from the media and the lying lefties.

    Our issue is that we have no diplomatic influence over the SE Asian region, so where are we going to put them if we do the same as Australia? It has to be somewhere lousy and where is that going to be? Secondly, are the NZ people going to have the political will to demand that is put in place, after literally decades of PC pyschobabble human wights bullshit being shoved down our throats? I doubt it, which means as soon as the idiot lefties get into power, they in their profound foolishness will open the floodgates and the madness will commence.

    And at the end of the day it really truly does come down to: why are we expected not to protect people from persecution but rather, merely provide a better lifestyle, to people who have never paid a single cent of tax and probably never will?

    If anything is ever going to penetrate the skulls of all the useful idiot voters who only ever watch soap operas and rugby and get their political “news” from TV and pretend they’re well informed, this will. But I suspect it will only penetrate for those people once it’s already happened a few dozen times and we’ve already poured hundreds of millions of dollars down the refugee drain.

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  7. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Reid, don’t be ridiculous. No boat people are going to want to come here, remember we are drowning in Poverty and Inequality according to the Left who are bound to be sympathetic

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  8. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Rudd talked about providing safety for asylum seekers, not a higher national income (or similar meaning)… Good point. How many asylum seeker wan’t asylum in a country with the same standard of living as the one they escape?

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  9. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    lurcher which is a great big useless dog

    Not even. Lurchers are intelligent and very useful, if you’re a poacher. “Lurching” is cutting the corner, instead of following the hare’s run as a good coursing dog is supposed to.

    There’s yer useless information for the day.

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  10. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Reid, don’t be ridiculous. No boat people are going to want to come here, remember we are drowning in Poverty and Inequality according to the Left who are bound to be sympathetic
    …………………….
    Some on the left see NZ as a rich country

    John Moore (hero of the working class):
    “Both in New Zealand and globally, the best of the leftwing tradition has always rejected small-minded nationalism, xenophobia and racism. In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration. Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit.
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html

    Just how rich is a country like NZ..,. I may have a house.. I may not be able to afford to heat it; we have roads and other infrastructure built in good times, will we be able to replace them if we are down and out”.. look at the poor quality of our housing stock? ManyNZr’s don’t have two penny’s to rub together.

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  11. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    The great thing NZ has going for it is it’s isolation, pure & simple. The logistics & cost to reach us jsut make it too unattractive to all but the most desperate.
    Australia could also help itself by abandoning the Christmas Islands, it’s currently only a day drip from Indonesia, to reach Australian mainland would require sturdier boats (which they dont get back) more gas, more food, more money which I think would equate to less refugees.

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  12. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    The great thing NZ has going for it is it’s isolation, pure & simple. The logistics & cost to reach us jsut make it too unattractive to all but the most desperate.

    You don’t get it, ed. The Indonesian traffickers earn by their standards a lot of money with every boatload and there are plenty of vessels and an endless supply of people just waiting to take the risk.

    Hallucinating our isolation will save us is wishful thinking.

    instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit.

    Yes and one supposes the results of the great Russian and Chinese experiments in such completely escapes them. Fuck they’re morons, aren’t they.

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  13. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    I’m interested in the politics underlying this. Fundamentally I think it probably won’t work for Rudd – talking tough only works if people believe you. That’s easier for the coalition, because when they announce “tough” policies the Labor party howl about it, and so the message gets out that you’re tough. The boats stop, and then your “tough” policies aren’t actually applying to anyone.

    In the case of Rudd, his policies will get picked apart by the Coalition, who’ll say they aren’t tough enough. And the law of numbers is not in his favour – there are 600 beds on Manus Island and there are 1,000 people arriving a week. Even with the proposed new beds @ 3,000, it’s still only 3 weeks of arrivals before you have to give up and start housing them in Australia again. This policy only works if the boats stop immediately. I’m not sure they will.

    More here: http://technpol.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/rudd-and-boat-people/

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  14. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “……He has announced that all boat people will be sent to Papua New Guinea, regardless of whether or not they qualify for asylum……”

    It’s even more inhumane than what the Left said Howards detention centers in Australia were:

    “It is safer to stay behind the wire in PNG than attempt to escape.” – The Muslims who live in PNG have come out and said that, and that “the locals want to kill us – they want to kill anybody who is better off than them…… it is very dangerous to live here.”

    As QLD Premier Cambell Newman has said “The honest fact is that you CAN get from PNG to Qld in a dingy, infact, people have rowed it!”

    The trafficking from PNG to Australia will eventually happen as the local natives will be paid to help move them if they escape. The local crime lords will see to that. They will also most certainly try to help them escape.

    The Rudd policy does not include this line: “They will not ever be sent to Australia.” – Yesterdays Brisbane Sunday Mail.

    It’s just more bullshit from Rudd and the media are turning a blind eye to support his election.

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  15. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    BTW:

    “The Torres Strait between PNG and the soil of QLD is only 4km, it is already a pourous border and will be used as a launching pad by people smugglers.” – QLD Premier Cambell Newman.

    That’s true as I remember a report a few years back where people from PNG were boating across the strait to get medical treatment at aborignal healthcare centers.

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  16. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Rudd has conveniently failed to mention what promises he has made to PNG for this. ie. what is the cost?

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  17. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    Rudd has conveniently failed to mention what promises he has made to PNG for this. ie. what is the cost?

    Less than the cost of continuing to process them as they have been, that’s guaranteed, david. Plus all it takes is for a few nasty things to happen to them in good ole PNG and pretty soon everyone’s staying right where they are, rather then trying to bludge themselves a better life. And what’s wrong with a policy that aims to do that? Why is that harsh? Why is it incumbent on Australia (and ourselves) to give a refugee a better life, as opposed to protecting them from persecution?

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  18. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    I Hear that Rudd had a caucus meeting today and that many were not happy with his announcement. No consultation etc. Leopards never ever ever change their spots.

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  19. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    I’m currently living and working in PNG, and one my PNG colleagues has just pointed out a problem with the policy: an applicant for PNG citizenship is require to pledge an oath in support of the Constitution, which includes specific reference to belief in, and submission to the guidance of, CHRISTIAN principles. My friend has pointed out that internees could travel from PNG to Australia, and seek refuge on the grounds of religious persecution.

    In terms of the cost, Australia has undertaken to:

    1. Meet the costs of developing the Manus Centre and a new centre in Port Moresby, adjacent to the airport.

    2. Meet the full costs of processing and settling refugees in PNG.

    3. Refurbish the run-down Lae Hospital, and fund its ongoing operations (no pun intended) and maintenance.

    In addition, the Governor of Manus island has requested that the RAN now take over responsibility for patrolling the local EEZ.

    Australian currently provides half a billion AUD in direct aid to PNG, and a smaller (but still substantial) amount in military assistance. Presumably both will now increase under the new refugee management regime.

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  20. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Haven’t so called refugees just done 70 million NZ dollars worth of damage to the facilities on Nauru? What ungrateful wretches!

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  21. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    They done it as soon as Rudd’s policy was announced – but said it was because their applications were taking to long.

    Nauru has said they want to jail them -for up to 7 years- and that would be because Nauru will now get less money until they are rebuilt.

    It’s not coincidence.

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  22. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    The Australian obsession with asylum seekers is extraordinary. By international standards, the problem here is not huge and manageable with onshore processing.

    Yes, the boats should be stopped because of the loss of life, but punishing asylum seekers isn’t the answer. The real villains here are the people smugglers. Only when they are put out of business will this obscene traffic cease.

    Rudd is a pillock, the only positive point about him is that he would make a marginally better leader than Abbott. Practically anyone would.

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  23. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    Further to my post yesterday, at a Remembrance Day (PNG equivalent to Anzac Day) ceremony today, I was advised that an MP is about to introduce a bill to parliament that will formally make PNG a Christian country. While the bill will not ban other religions, it will not allow any dispensation for religious practices by adherents of non-Christian religions, such as the construction of Muslim schools, etc.

    The bill will almost certainly be passed into law.

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  24. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    Good for Rudd. At some point European countries are going to realise that their generosity (against the wishes of the voters) is being exploited. The sooner they adopt the approach of the Japanese the better.

    Further, people respond to incentives. Once it is clear that getting on a boat will not result in settlement in Australia people will stop doing it.

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