A fair point

September 3rd, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Twisted Hive blogs:

Questions from the NZ Herald to candidates:

Q: Why is Labour not connecting with voters?

We’ve struggled to get a clear direct message that speaks to people’s everyday lives and to connect our values with the policies we are putting forward. I do believe we’ve got a good mix of policies, with more to come. The challenge is articulating them in a way New Zealanders say “my life will be better under a Labour Government”. I think I can do that.

Sorry Grant, can you explain to me how if you’ve struggled to get a clear message out, with the vast majority of the office staffed by your people, you will manage any better if you were Leader? As Deputy, and part of the strategic planning team since 2008 haven’t you already tried?

It is a fair point. Grant was a major part of the disastrous 2011 campaign, and as deputy leader can’t totally distance himself from the last 18 months.

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20 Responses to “A fair point”

  1. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Labour’s problem with articulating a clear message is that when you are telling your base what they want to hear, it sounds less than convincing if you don’t believe it yourself. We have three stooges swallowing dead rats up and down the country. It shows just how disconnected the Labour parliamentary wing is from its unions and membership.

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  2. OneTrack (3,104 comments) says:

    And it is still that the people are just too stupid to understand their wonderful policies, and the only thing Labour need to do is “communicate” the policies better. The people just need “reeducation”.

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  3. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Labour has lately been articulating a clear message: “Let’s show our true contempt for voters by using hackneyed socialist rhetoric to advance policies that we ourselves don’t believe are achievable or fiscally responsible – policies that even our mates at the Dominion Post will rubbish in their editorial on 3 September 2013″.

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  4. tas (625 comments) says:

    Really? I think the problem is not their salesmanship; it’s bad policies. They have stolen all of their policies from a party that only just made double digits in the 2011 election. Why should they expect to be polling better?

    Although the shambolic caucus probably didn’t help.

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  5. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    National’s leftward drift has captured a lot of the centre left vote leaving Labour struggling.

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  6. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Can’t get their message out??? And Robertson believes they’ve got ‘a good mix of policies, with more to come’….?

    Sheesh….. some people are slow learners.

    Given that Labour has the overt support of a lapdog MSM who devotes a disproportionate amount of airtime / column centimetres supporting anything ‘left’, any failure by Labour to ‘get their message out’ is most likely to be due to the piss poor content of the message itself.

    But let them keep on believing what they will….

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    I wonder if Robertson will do a live chat with the Herald like Cunliffe did yesterday where he cannot screen the questions?

    I am pleased to see the Herald published my comment. I wonder when Robertson will give me an answer.

    Chuck Bird (Ngaruawahia)
    02:59 PM Monday, 2 Sep 2013
    If Labour selects Robertson they will go the same way as Labor in Australia as Robertson has misrepresented himself as an MP who just happens to be gay.

    Robertson was a homosexual activist while he was co-president of the NZUSA while at uni. People change as they got older but if he has why would he refuse to answer questions relating to his former activist’s views. He has consistently refused to answer questions relating to his earlier activist’s views.

    He used to be opposed to NZ Blood Service’s policy banning active homosexuals from donating blood. I fail to see how this disadvantages homosexuals in any way. If Robertson still hold this view I would say he places scoring a political point or pandering to the homosexual lobby ahead of public health and safety. Robertson’s electorate office promised me a reply. Mr Robertson when are you going to honour that promise?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11117046

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  8. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Not only are Labour currently pandering to the deviant section of society, they are insulting their mainstream supporters by talking about a minimum wage, this being a joke, owing to the fact most of their supporters don’t , and won’t work, they are unemployable or public servants.

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  9. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kowtow

    Don’t forget Newton’s law – for every action there is a reaction.

    It was the swinging vote that has determined the last two elections – the trick for National is to retain those votes before the ‘reaction’ clicks in. If it clicks in for the next election, the result could be catastrophic – with a coalition mish mash of political parties, that may even see Dot Com’s forecasted party gain a seat (never under-estimate the power of the ‘none of the above’ vote, or the young irresponsible vote – DotCom has appeal to the rebels).

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  10. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Grant’s first words about message belie the heart of his position – that the Labour policies of the past 4.5 years are the right ones.

    That despite the voters making clear in 2011, and consistently in the polls since, that they do not agree.

    Grant Robertson is stuck in the past with the view that Labour is right and the people will see the error of their ways and return to them.

    He is not a ‘new generation’ of leadership for Labour; he is part of the old guard and old mentality. He cannot hide from his role as campaign strategist in 2011, nor from the responsibilities as deputy for the past 20 months.

    If he is held up as the solution then the problem for Labour is insoluble.

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  11. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    And it is still that the people are just too stupid to understand their wonderful policies, and the only thing Labour need to do is “communicate” the policies better. The people just need “reeducation”.

    It is one of the more curious aspects of left-wing politics that people on that side don’t seem to understand that others might understand their message, but disagree with it!

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  12. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    Blaming the messenger and not the message?

    Ha ha ha ha .

    Why on earth would I vote myself a tax increase?

    If labour announced they are introducing a Capital gains tax and reducing income tax then I’d vote for that.

    But, when they say the will introduce CGT AND raise income taxes then I laugh in their face.

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  13. Roflcopter (463 comments) says:

    Maybe they haven’t struggled to get all the messages out there clearly. Maybe they’ve done everything one could expect from a party.

    Maybe the reality is that despite doing everything well, NZ sees them as totally unelectable and while we’ve all moved on and grown up in the big wide world, they’re trying to keep everyone back in the dark ages.

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  14. flipper (4,065 comments) says:

    To repeat what I said on two other threads this morning:

    The DominionPost this morning does an admirable job cutting The Three Mousketeers down to size.
    The editorial is a must read for dummies like rossie69 and his fellow travellers.
    It is read and learn time dummies.

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  15. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    The problem is simple. National kept Working For Families which kinda puts a dent in any proposal to help out the less well off, and helping out the little guy is a big part of Labour’s platform.

    The left needs a new wedge issue and a new civil rights platform. The man ban is just stupid and the victory parade for gay rights is finished. Someone should pluck up the courage and take on the elephant in the room: the drug war. With the right leader it can be sold to the public. Polls consistently show considerable support for at least cannabis law reform and the right narrative could probably be used to shift the entire focus from criminal punishment to addiction treatment.

    Alas, these idiots can think of nothing other than “man ban” and “living wage”.

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  16. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Labour are not going to get into government by promising drug law reform. That’s just stupid.

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  17. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    smttc,

    More popular than the man ban. It’s only stupid because none of these three would be capable of arguing the point. But it is something that has appeal across the political spectrum and is something that would produce real change that would have meaning. As much as I agree with gay marriage it is simply not something that has any significant meaning beyond the personal sentiment to those involved (although it did have some actual benefits). On the other hand the drug war produces real misery and is an *actual* civil rights issue. Further, drug reform is just as popular as gay marriage. The only difference is that one is politically correct, the other is still taboo.

    The only reason it goes nowhere is because it is not debated. It is not debated because the two major parties will not debate it. As long as they do not debate it then people like you will come along and provide no argument beyond “it’s stupid” and there it will lie.

    The problem with Don Brash is that he was trying to sell a liberal policy to a bunch of authoritarians who simply don’t like paying tax. The right policy for the wrong person and the wrong party.

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  18. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Australian Labor are peddling the same crap:

    “Our policies are great, we just have a problem communicating them to the public!”

    Never any consideration given to the idea that maybe the policies, and more significantly the (predictable, predicated and subsequently observed) outcomes of those policies, are only too clear to the voting public.

    A political party the claims they just can’t get their message across is insulting voters. They are also very likely, as seen in Australia, to try and “correct” that market failure by regulating the channels of communication; whether that’s tightening their grip on the internet, or conducting a witch-hunt against unsympathetic publishers.

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  19. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    predicted, obviously, but I suppose it isnt the worst typo I could have made there.

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  20. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    As CrimDotCon cannot stand as an MP not being a NZ Citizen, but a German and Finnish Citizen, which party will he finance – anybody who can get John Key Party –

    Labour or Greens – which one will he finance, or both ?

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