An apt summary

September 6th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

at NZ Herald reports:

Cunliffe has had a dramatic, but possibly short-lived, transformation into a middle-class Che Guevara. He has decried the dirty freemarket, the crony capitalists, and the neo-liberal agenda and promised world domination to the and jobs and lucre for all. 

This leadership contest is like Christmas and Easter rolled into one for the unions. Anything they ask for, they receive. National’s changes abolished – done. A living wage for all – done. Part 6A extended to all industries – done. National Awards back from the 1970s – done.

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33 Responses to “An apt summary”

  1. Simon (717 comments) says:

    If you have any money get it out of NZ. You have around 15 to18 mths. It as simple as that.

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  2. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    What about Cuntliffe’s mansion in Herne Bay? Does that get ‘redistributed’ to the poor as well??

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  3. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Yeah well, at least it has been made obvious which faction was behind the destabilisation of the fishy guy.

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  4. Colville (2,191 comments) says:

    I just want the leaders election over so the bloodletting can begin :-)

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  5. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    BTW, Che Guevara?

    Che Guevara, guerrilla doofus and murdering coward.

    Weird comparison, but coming from a mainstream media journalist, not surprising.

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  6. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    The people will rejoice to the name of El Guava long after murderous Che Guavera has been forgotten. El Guava will be remembered each October during Guava weekend. Vive El Guava!!

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  7. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    It will be interesting to see exactly how far back to the centre the winner swings when it is time to contest a general election and appealing to real people becomes more important than appealing to an ideological activist base.

    IMHO the US-style ultra partizan politics where the other side is the ENEMY and you HATE them with a passion is the worst problem with their whole political system.

    It used to be only died in the wool disgruntled people, union members and keyboard nutbars in the blogosphere who brought the hate to New Zealand Politics.

    (Hi, Redbaiter! ;-) )

    Well done to Labour for introducing a U.S style primary that rewards the same kind of extremism into NZ politics.

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  8. Sector 7g (237 comments) says:

    Going off what is stated above, Cuntlife will be the next Prime Minister of New Zealand.
    National should have realised that taking their party left would result in Labour going down this path. Add to this that Nationals new policy is still seen as being “far right, conservative thought “by a whole generation of uneducated bludgers, you can then realise how far up shit creek New Zealand really is.

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  9. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “you can then realise how far up shit creek New Zealand really is.”

    Actually Cunliffe if he wins the next election will be more like Castro without the guns. NZers voting themselves into a socialist tyranny that more than 100,000 Cubans have died trying to escape.

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  10. Alan (1,082 comments) says:

    Isn’t it obvious that Cunliffe will shaft the unions after he wins ?

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  11. Black with a Vengeance (1,726 comments) says:

    No ponies and unicorns for you sad lot…

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  12. stigie (1,005 comments) says:

    @BWAV
    No ponies and unicorns for you sad lot…

    Why are you so sad Black ?

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  13. Cunningham (829 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (1,455) Says:

    “No ponies and unicorns for you sad lot…”

    The Greens are pretty keen on us going back to horse and carts so maybe that is something they will promise? Horses and carts for everyone hooray!

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  14. Psycho Milt (2,368 comments) says:

    Isn’t it obvious that Cunliffe will shaft the unions after he wins ?

    That’s pretty much a given with any Labour government. His government would roll back a few of the most egregious of National’s anti-worker efforts but leave the rest in the “shit you don’t like but have to leave alone if you want to get re-elected” pile. It’s a pile National’s familiar with as well – for the current govt it includes WfF and interest-free student loans.

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  15. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    “Isn’t it obvious that Cunliffe will shaft the unions after he wins ?”

    It isn’t obvious to me. Why would he?

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  16. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    “No ponies and unicorns for you sad lot…”

    Why? Have they all been given away by the three amigos as voter bribes?.

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  17. greenjacket (437 comments) says:

    The three are having a bet to see how far to the extreme Left they can go.
    Minimum wage of $18.50 for all. WFF for beneficiaries. Regulating retail prices. Stopping much needed motorways but building railways no-one uses. Man ban for candidates. Take industrial relations back to the 70s. An end to mining and oil drilling.

    My bet is their next policy will be to nationalise the dairy industry.

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  18. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    This is “Tojo” (he who would have sacrificed thousands of allied lives in preference to using the bombs on Japan) who wants to disestablish the RSA movement because he reckons it glorifies war. I suppose he would apologise to all draft dodgers, watersiders, miners (who struck against returned servicemen) during the was and 1951. Anyone who can see an ounce of good in this mongrel is fooling themselves.

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  19. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    No ponies and unicorns for you sad lot…

    No blackie, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be paying for them.

    It was a strange coincidence the other day in parliament that the subject of blowjobs came up while three people who were actually being paid to be there were elsewhere travelling up and down the country delivering them. I hope that slimey, sleazy and fatty forgot to take their toothpaste on their little jaunt at the taxpayers’ expense.

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  20. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I think the unions will get a surprise with how impotent Cunliffe is after the election. He can’t raise taxes or Labour is poked for a decade. IMHO, Robertson is the left wing candidate and Jones and to a lesser degree, Cunliffe are the right wing candidates.
    You can promise the moon before being elected but you have to live in reality afterwards.
    I see the outcome being Cunliffe with Jones as deputy and the token socialist chick as number 3.
    Socialist Chicky babe is eventually going to have to take a break to have left wing babies, so I can’t see a Labour female being ranked higher than #3.

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  21. Psycho Milt (2,368 comments) says:

    I think the unions will get a surprise with how impotent Cunliffe is after the election.

    Any unionist surprised at a Labour government not doing much to help unions after it gets elected must have spent the last 60 years living as a hermit…

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  22. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    Well according to Gower’s tweet ( on the left of this page) one of them is in for a shock with the results of a TV3 poll ( not that public’s opinion counts for much in this circus)
    It can’t be Jones who will be surprised. If it is Robertson the beltway crowd will have to learn how to pull their heads out of the sand.

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  23. lolitasbrother (589 comments) says:

    Simon (446) Says:
    September 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    If you have any money get it out of NZ. You have around 15 to18 mths. It as simple as that.

    yes, agreed. I am overseas now , I think things could be stable till the next poll, but we are not taking the risk.
    I come back to NZ soon, and our money is so little, but the flow of money will be steady outwards if Cullen is leader.
    He is nuts. The good thing is people don’t like him, so there could be a small loss on the expected return of Nz Nat Government

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  24. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    The aspirant leaders’ promises are rather like real estate agents’ pitches as to how much they can sell your house for to try and get your exclusive agency. Some people will pick the most optimistic value only to find the agent has plenty of cop-outs when the agent cannot find a buyer at that price.

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  25. Peter (1,673 comments) says:

    Cunliffe 39.6% Jones 31.6% Robertson 28.8%…special 3 News poll

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  26. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    If your two best choices for the leadership are Cunliffe and Jones……..

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  27. lolitasbrother (589 comments) says:

    It adds up to 100% Peter so I don’t believe it.
    This is a call for every man and his dog to talk to friends, especially idiots like me who thought we could vote NZ First,and get away with it.
    If the person says I will vote labour/ Green say to dog ” Dog maul him, maul dog “. This is War against the mad messiah Cunliffe . People who care about NZ not going to the dogs will have to front up and do something. We can’t just leave it to the PM. He is not Superman. There will be money and work involved and if your dog don’t bite well then there are other ways.

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  28. lolitasbrother (589 comments) says:

    Each electorate will need good workers.
    National people must realise that this will not be an arm chair election. There will be time later to watch TV
    Please consider now how you can help.
    This is a time to give to our country. You know that a Green/ Labour Government would be disaster.
    We have buffeted well against the recession, I take the mad monk Cunliffe at his word that he would destroy
    the free enterprise system we stand for .
    We will need money, organisers and workers in every electorate.
    I specialise in hoardings , signs, I am in Nicky Wagners seat, Christchurch, and any approach by the little bot Green/ sickling Cunliffe vandals will be met with reaction.
    My dog bites.

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  29. Peter (1,673 comments) says:

    On the other hand. A LabGreenMana government that implodes under the massive weight of their own self-importance might be the end of the left for at least a generation….

    Lose the battle, win the war.

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  30. Psycho Milt (2,368 comments) says:

    If the person says I will vote labour/ Green say to dog ” Dog maul him, maul dog “. This is War against the mad messiah Cunliffe.

    This policy of returning mental patients to the care of the community sucks. Is there a party that’s promising to build additional secure loony bins?

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  31. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    There is a surprising lack of bottle amongst many here, these three loons will have run out of things to promise by next week.

    Repeat after moi, Labour will not have the Treasury benches in 2014, so toughen the fuck up. Some sad drivel from talentless wannabes and National is getting written off. Please.they don’t even have a mandate from their own party let alone the country and last time I looked there was onyl about 36% of the country wanting a bar of the fruitcakes.

    Don’t mean to boast and its not particuarly clever but I’ve got it right in every election since 1975.

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  32. Tom Jackson (2,532 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has had a dramatic, but possibly short-lived, transformation into a middle-class Che Guevara. He has decried the dirty freemarket, the crony capitalists, and the neo-liberal agenda and promised world domination to the unions and jobs and lucre for all.

    Trevett doesn’t seem to have been listening. Cunliffe has quite clearly signalled his economic approach to those who understand the particular code used, and it’s not quite the same as what Trevett describes.

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  33. Tom Jackson (2,532 comments) says:

    That’s pretty much a given with any Labour government. His government would roll back a few of the most egregious of National’s anti-worker efforts but leave the rest in the “shit you don’t like but have to leave alone if you want to get re-elected” pile. It’s a pile National’s familiar with as well – for the current govt it includes WfF and interest-free student loans.

    You haven’t heard what he’s said. He’s quite clearly signalled that he is going to go with the New Keynesians. Now, he could be lying about that, but it would seem a strange thing to lie about given that he could have made the promises he did in accordance with the current economic framework, but he didn’t. He’s been very clear that the role of government is to actively address market failures,

    Politically, he will likely aim to drive a wedge between finance based capitalists and entrepreneurs and business owners. The New Keynesianism favours the latter over the former, so it’s reasonably doable.

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