Now it is houses and jobs for all, and something about taxis!

September 1st, 2013 at 6:11 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Robertson was first up to speak and invoked the memory of former Labour Prime Minster Norman Kirk, by promising a government he lead would fulfil Kirk’s dream of a home and a job for everyone.

On Saturday Grant just promised jobs for everyone, plus a living wage of $18.40 for all. He’s now gone one better and is promising a house for everyone also. By Monday will it be a car for everyone also?

Cunliffe also reiterated the promise of a living wage and talked about the plight of taxi drivers living on $4.50 an hour.

So even if one accepts this is correct (I doubt it), what will Labour’s policy be to fix this? Shoot or sack every second taxi driver so the survivors have more jobs? Or set a minimum price for taxi services? Make it illegal for a taxi firm to charge less than $5 a minute?

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62 Responses to “Now it is houses and jobs for all, and something about taxis!”

  1. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,787 comments) says:

    Its been done already.

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  2. Redbaiter (6,483 comments) says:

    “Cunliffe also reiterated the promise of a living wage and talked about the plight of taxi drivers living on $4.50 an hour.”

    …and this is the guy who boasts of having worked as a “business consultant”. FFS.

    I predict the longer this idiotic contest goes on, the more unlikeable the three candidates will become to the general electorate.

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  3. gump (1,232 comments) says:

    Surprisingly enough, the taxi driver figure is actually true for some drivers.

    But it is only true during slow periods. Over a longer period of time it reverts back to the mean.

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  4. Pongo (356 comments) says:

    This stupid primary nonsense where the candidates have to get votes from nut bar labour members and the dieing union movement is going to cost the taxpayers a damn sight more than a few airfares.
    The only good thing is that most voters are appalled by the appeal to a mentally disturbed narrow base of unionists and the liberal left I reckon labour will be polling below the greens after this roadshow debacle. Nice one Moira and Helen Kelly.

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  5. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    Sooner or later someone must promise a chicken in everyone’s pot every Sunday.

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  6. emmess (1,334 comments) says:

    The job of taxi driver will not exist in 10 years time with the advent of driverless cars

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  7. Redbaiter (6,483 comments) says:

    “Sooner or later someone must promise a chicken in everyone’s pot every Sunday.”

    Don’t think so.

    The greater majority of urban liberal voters don’t have the same craving for chickens in pots as back country hillbillies might have.

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  8. Psycho Milt (2,001 comments) says:

    Nah, it’s pretty small beer so far – we’ll know they’ve really gone nuts when they start promising to stop the exodus to Australia and lower everyone’s taxes.

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  9. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The email I have just sent to this scum sucking bottom dweller

    Email form

    Grant Robertson

    Use this form to send an enquiry to the person or department named. We will respond as promptly as we can.

    Name

    Email

    Subject

    Dear Grant

    RE: The House and Job Promise

    Do I get to pick the house or will you just drop me a line and tell me when to move in.

    I already have a job and I’m quite good at it so I am assuming that you will want a CV because I don’t want to take a backward step regarding salary etc for anything new you decide for me.

    Last question , this job you are promising me will it be compulsory to take up or can I turn it down.

    Norman Kirk would be utterly disgusted to have his name mentioned in the transparent power grab that you are undertaking.

    Utterly disgraceful- mind you nothing surpises me with the NZLP. You three however in the last few days have gone way past what passes for decency in politics with your “promises” that you have no idea of costs or consequences.

    The only positive is it will ensure that the NZLP will not see the Treasury benches for many years.

    Kind regards

    Paul Rooney

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  10. Redbaiter (6,483 comments) says:

    “Surprisingly enough, the taxi driver figure is actually true for some drivers.”

    What is surprising about it?

    The point Mr Farrar is making is “what is Cunliffe going to do about it?”

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  11. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    ….”The greater majority of urban liberal voters don’t have the same craving for chickens in pots as back country hillbillies might have.”….

    Kentucky Fried will be the ruin of fat city dwelling metrosexuals everywhere. :)

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  12. gump (1,232 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    What’s surprising is that many people don’t know it is true. Even DPF writes “I doubt it”.

    Taxi drivers don’t generally receive a wage (they’re usually owner operators) so the minimum wage legislation doesn’t apply to them.

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  13. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    While skilled kiwis leave in plane loads….

    Your kids.

    Rats deserting a sinking ship ?

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  14. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    I just wonder what Norman and the Greens are thinking, watching this circus going on.

    Maybe it is –”they’re ruining any chances we might have of a coalition Govt. But if we have to work with these idiots maybe it is a good thing.”

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  15. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    And the thing pisses me off the most about these three and their promises is that there are many hard workers out there on limited means who will actually believe what these pieces of crap are promising.

    They will believe that wages can be increased 30% without the place coming to a grinding halt, they will believe they will all have better accomodation, they will believe that “tax the rich” will have some benefit to them, jesus, the rich and I mean the very wealthy not people who work hard and are on a decent salary but the Harts, the Todds and the like don’t really care or they can afford not to notice but they are in a minority. I beleive there is only 5% of the population that can be called “independently wealthy” i.e stay in bed all day with the covers over their heads if they chose and things would jsut carry on with no noticable change to their life style.

    It sad and it should be a crime that these three can speak as they do with no facts and no mandate

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  16. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    Robertson keeps banging on about how much the person who cleans John Key’s office gets paid .. is it more or less than what his cleaner gets paid?

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  17. peterwn (2,941 comments) says:

    They can promise what they like and then cop-out by blaming Greens or NZ First, or blame National for leaving the economy in a mess.

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  18. wreck1080 (3,533 comments) says:

    A home and a job for everyone is simply dreaming unless they changed the political system towards a communist model.

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  19. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Robertson keeps banging on about how much the person who cleans John Key’s office gets paid .. is it more or less than what his cleaner gets paid?

    Good point jaba. One of the top hard-hitting political journalists we have should ask Grant how much he and the Labour caucus donate from their salaries and/or party funds to Parliamentary Service to ensure their cleaners are paid more.

    Or do they not care as much as he makes out they do?

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  20. Australis (99 comments) says:

    A 36% jump in the effective minimum wage will immediately close all retail and tourist outlets apart from small family businesses. That’s a lot of jobs foregone, especially in provincial centres.

    According to the latest Quarterly Employment Survey the national average hourly earnings (including overtime) of all private sector employees is $25.53. That is 120% of the contemporary minimum wage. Under the “offers” of these candidates,the gap between minimum and average wage would reduce by two-thirds to less than 40%.

    Why would the lower-paid half of the population ever seek qualifications or skills?

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  21. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Of course this is only the start. Next up (probably from the Greens first unless these critters try to steal their policy) will be the outrage that only the unskilled should be guaranteed a living wage. What of the poor beneficiaries? It is inhumane for them to be forced to try to make ends meet on less than the equivalent of the living wage!

    After all, truth be told the Greens do believe that the benefit should be a permissable alternative to work.

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  22. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-Robertson-promise-5050-malefemale-caucus/tabid/1607/articleID/311452/Default.aspx

    The man ban is still out but this is called gender politics, even TV3 appear to be twitching an eyebrow.

    Is it possible that these three make such utter twats of themselves that the party could say “fuck off” and bring another candidate through?

    I have never seen anything like this and I’ve loathed politicians since I was 17 .

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  23. Simon (613 comments) says:

    Their lack of awareness of the real world is staggering. Peak government has been reached across western Europe and the US bringing economic stagnation, wide spread poverty & falling living standards.

    NZ society will be hard pressed to absorb the damage on offer by these 3 clowns.

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  24. Yvette (2,591 comments) says:

    OK – so I have a couple of times now suggested this race of three contenders to see what they can bribe people with, is strangely arse about face, considering that Labour policy is supposedly established at annual conference with remits, argument for and against and decisions and votes on Party paths.

    But then this looney lurch to the left with three new on-the-hoof versions of what policy is, against what Labour policy just a week or so was, may be helpful since it is probably better to see now, for ourselves, what a fucking mess Labour can make of itself.

    The first exercise the new Leader will have, of course, will be to tell us what quarter of proposed policy is actually then current, replacing the two versions of loser opponents and also whatever the fucking party stood for before this happened to it.

    While the task they have so far taken the twenty months or so it is since the last Election – the job that should have been done back November 27, deciding on a new Leader – will be done, unfortunately they will then piss away months more re-establishing what the Party stands for, before they can pretend to be an Opposition.

    [Hopefully they will just get that sorted before the by-election of David Shearer's departure bites them in the collective bum]

    Last week Labour accused Nick Smith of squatting, being a couple of weeks in accommodation above his entitlement while he sorted his family, but what of a whole fucking Party squatting in Parliament for over 20 months incessantly playing with itself instead of serving the country as any adequate form of Opposition?

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  25. Jafa (37 comments) says:

    This whole thing has become a total farce. I hope everyone of these ridiculous promises comes back to bite them on the arse bigtime during the election. At this rate none of us will ever have to work and we can all look forward to a ‘free’ house and all the other stupid crap these fuckwits are dreaming up. The scary thing is that there a lot of kiwis too stupid to see through the commie lies and bullshit. Cunliffe is dangerous because he is arrogant and has the air of supremacy about him. Worse he thinks he is economically competant. Air NZ will be doing a roaring trade on the international routes if these clowns get elected. Pity the planes will all be empty on the return leg.

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  26. MT_Tinman (2,799 comments) says:

    Personally I think taxi drivers should be given the keys to every town (particularly the brothels), unlimited credit and the right to every woman (men for the sheila drivers if you insist – the poofs just need to enforce the compulsory-queer-marriage act) they want.

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  27. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    You have to agree, you don’t get this sort of artistic flare with other parties. None of that boring stuff – this is showing the power of the active imagination – parliament could find themselves meeting in tree top settings on the foreshore of White Island – and all retirees (probably 50 year olds – the new qualifying age) will be provided with free golf carts and water front retirement villas – the possibilities are endless!

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  28. thor42 (781 comments) says:

    There *may* just be a silver lining to all of this policy lolly-scramble stuff.

    It is that if Winston holds the balance of power after the election (perish the thought, but anyway), he *may* just be able to agree to work with the Nats (if Key pulls his head in and swallows his pride).

    *Surely* Winston can see that this policy lolly-scramble is madness?
    Surely he can see that the Nats have done well in steering the economy through the toughest conditions in 80 years.

    Ok, don’t get me wrong – I dislike Winston as much as anyone, but given the choice, I would *much* prefer that the Nats stay in rather than Labour getting in. If that means Winston keeping them in, then so be it as far as I’m concerned.

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  29. Reid (15,626 comments) says:

    I just wonder what Norman and the Greens are thinking, watching this circus going on.

    They’re thinking, fuck I wish we’d thought of just saying any old thing and not worrying about silly old costings. And here we are trying to appear all sensible, sane and wise, while Liarbore keeps stealing our best ideas for the 2014 campaign. Oh the humanity.

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  30. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    And where are the dickheads that are usually on here supporting the leftie loonies?

    Must be bad if they are too embarrased to stick their heads up above the ramparts.

    Really really bad. There might be some older than me with some insider knowledge but like I said I have never seen anything like this ever and they have only been going for a couple of days.

    By next weekend, it’ll be ” you get a pension before you’re born, , anyone earning over $60K will be shot.”

    Christ knows what will promisedd in the last few days before the vote

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  31. wiseowl (580 comments) says:

    These candidates for the Labour Party leadership are totally irresponsible.

    If this is the level of thinking among what is supposed to be the main opposition party, then God help us.

    And Cunliffe who is supposed to have a Harvard education , must be delusional if he believes his own utterings.

    This eye opening road show is a warning to all kiwis and also Labour Party members .
    Beware, we are entering a dangerous and destructive zone that New Zealand needs to repel.

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  32. Duxton (547 comments) says:

    Is this the same Norman Kirk who dodged military service in WW2, and as PM had an affair with his secretary, Margaret Hayward? A man worthy of emulation…….

    But seriously, has anyone told these twats that raising the minimum wage artificially will push more children into poverty?

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  33. Duxton (547 comments) says:

    Actually, the first two sentences in my previous post were serious. Apologies to all for the use of the words “But seriously”,

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  34. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    Have none of you any perspective, not one of the three determines party policy even if chosen leader?

    I think they have all imbibed too much of the Presidential style electioneering spirit to remember that policy is formulated at a party conference level for their manifesto and otherwise there is a caucus and Cabinet process.

    Of course in the US primary process everyone veers left or right to win their party nomination (unless posing their rival as too extremist to win) and then re-centres for the real contest.

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  35. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    Griff, at 7:07 (and the rest of time as well I suspect)…

    No, they aren’t. In fact, the last 6 month have seen a major turnaround in migration and immigration statistics, such that the flight of kiwis has plunged to its lowest levels in many years.

    Aren’t facts a bitch, especially when the collide with stupidity?

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  36. William85 (1 comment) says:

    I work in the taxi industry and if you’re making $4.50 an hour…you really really suck at taxi driving!

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  37. wiseowl (580 comments) says:

    SPC.
    It doesn’t matter about perspective.
    I think the party thinks along these lines as well.look at the lineup in Cunliffes cosy office at his launch.
    A bunch of people desiring these outrageous policies and the others are all infected with the same disease.

    May as well call themselves the Communist Party.

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  38. Psycho Milt (2,001 comments) says:

    Have none of you any perspective, not one of the three determines party policy even if chosen leader?

    Well, no they don’t have any sense of perspective – but the Labour leadership candidates could be forgiven for imagining they decide policy after watching Shearer get stampeded by journos into declaring a remit about candidate selection policy wouldn’t even be considered. Someone needs to give them a slap and remind them what happened to Shearer not long after he decided his job title was something along the lines of “king.”

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  39. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    {wry}{sarc}

    Makes some of you think kids and grand kids seldom seen.

    Kiwis fly away only to be replaced with immigration.

    Twenty-three percent of New Zealand’s population were born overseas, most of whom live in the Auckland region.

    Whatever hmmokrightitis get over your self.

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  40. Paul Marsden (935 comments) says:

    The Three Stooges might be an apt name for this bunch of losers and tossers (pun not intended).

    God help us!

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  41. Than (377 comments) says:

    @SPC – True, these promises are not official Labour party policy. But do you think that will stop the average voter assuming they are, or National gleefully bringing up the promises during the 2014 election?

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  42. Yvette (2,591 comments) says:

    SPC – Have none of you any perspective, not one of the three determines party policy even if chosen leader?

    Yes – I have made this point three times today in three different threads. 8:10 above latest.
    It is indeed very sad not one, to my knowledge, of MSM’s ‘journalists’, nor even Cam Slater, have asked the three contenders or any Party official what the fuck is going on – whether it is a road-show presentation of each candidates ability to express themselves or represent their own qualities as potential leaders, or to just promise unapproved policies to out-do each other to bribe votes in their favour.

    It would be funny, if not so sadly bizarre and outside normal policy formation, as you also point out.
    But what is sadder is that, as suggested, no MSM ‘journalist’ has picked up on it – ominous indication that the public are sucked in too.

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  43. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    I’ll quote you this time griff, as repugnant as that is for me.

    “While skilled kiwis leave in plane loads…. – they aren’t, unless you mean on holiday now the economy is beating strongly again? Hell, Mr H and I are off to Denerau next week, the back a couple of weekends after with the kids in my new car, and soon with the new boat :) And Im planning next years trip to Canada, NYC and Europe with the family, MTB’ing, sight seeing and imbibing.

    Your kids. Yours maybe, most others, no.

    Rats deserting a sinking ship ?” Highly unlikely. Australia is sinking. NZ is rising, and people know it. And its very cool to see. Well done JK :)

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  44. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,685 comments) says:

    Never has a bunch of dumb bastards been seen to be dumber than these three dumb bastards.

    If they were to join a club, it would be called ‘The Ruddites.’

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  45. Tauhei Notts (1,513 comments) says:

    Duxton at 8.58
    Of course he played with Margaret Hayward.
    Don’ t you remember the photos of what he had at home?
    But as regards dodging military service; his actions were typical of the Labour Party Left at the time. I have written before, but here goes again;
    When the N.Z. soldiers were on the start line at El Alamein in 1942 what was happening back in N.Z. That’s right; the Labour Party activists in the coal mining industry were declaring coal to be black. Well, did you expect them to declare it mauve?
    Read the history of the labour movement in N.Z. 1939 – 45 and wonder how any Labour Party person can ever show their face at any Anzac Day function. Okay, so Peter Fraser ponced about on formative proceedings for the United Nations movement; but back here in N.Z. Messrs Semple, Webb & Co were the lowest species of mankind.

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  46. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis
    Well done national the economy is growing we have been managed very well since the GFC.
    Going to Denerau, have a meal at the diner by the Hindu temple in Nandi it is were the locals eat.
    Just dont eat the fresh chicken.
    As to the brain drain its being going on to some degree since “last one out turn of the lights” In Mudoons era.
    Your kids dont sound old enough to leave the nest quite yet.

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  47. Duxton (547 comments) says:

    Love ya work, Tauhei! I agree with everything you say.

    It has always amazed me that how Kirk could be declared unfit for military service, but was still capable of biking 50 miles each Friday night (much of it along a gravel road) to clear his tubes with his girlfriend Ruth, and then bike back to his time-and-a half job on Sunday afternoon. What a filthy hypocrite.

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  48. Duxton (547 comments) says:

    BTW, Tauhei: Helen Clark’s father was also a draft dodger.

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  49. Spam (586 comments) says:

    A pony. I want a pony. I know that’s everyone is getting all excited about being given a job or a house or a “living wage” or whatever, but I want a pony. Not a Shetland one either. I want a real pony that I can play with and ride. And it needs to be a pedigree pony. None of the crap of trying to pass off an inferior pony to me, because that wont be acceptable. I would prefer a chestnut brown pony, but if it is black or white that is ok, too. It must have a nice mane that can be plaited, and same with the tail. A few bows wouldn’t go amiss, because nice ponies should look nice. I want to be able to show off this pony.

    Now: Grant, David, Shane: which one of you is going to get me my god-damned pony?

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  50. Muzza M (286 comments) says:

    A motorcycle. I want a motorcycle. I know that’s everyone is getting all excited about being given a job or a house or a “living wage” or whatever, but I want a motorcycle. Not a Yamaha one either. I want a real motorcycle that I can play with and ride. And it needs to be a pedigree motorcycle. None of the crap of trying to pass off an inferior motorcycle to me, because that wont be acceptable. I would prefer a Honda motorcycle, but if it is Suzuki or Kawasaki that is ok, too. It must have a nice colour that can be seen by all, and same with the noise it makes. A few extras wouldn’t go amiss, because nice motorcycles should look nice. I want to be able to show off this motorcycle.

    Now: Grant, David, Shane: which one of you is going to get me my god-damned motorcycle?

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  51. Psycho Milt (2,001 comments) says:

    …now the economy is beating strongly again?

    I think you mean “…now the Christchurch rebuild has temporarily lifted growth above 0.something %.” I was tempted to assume it must be Mr h who’s making enough to fund your lifestyle, but I guess that isn’t necessarily the case – people with only a tenuous grip on reality often do seem to get paid a lot.

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  52. slightlyrighty (2,450 comments) says:

    Cunliffe cannot believe his own rantings. His education and background in the last labour government simply does not fit with the promises he is making as he struggles to get himself picked as captain of a ship of fools.

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  53. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    To think we, as taxpayers, are paying for these bludging, good-for-nothing losers. They are once again, showing the fiscal disabilities that are rife throughout their party of leeches, none ever having turned a commercial dollar; instead, living lives of Riley off taxpayers, ratepayers, and misled unionists . . . what a line-up of pathetic squalor!

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  54. Ian McK (237 comments) says:

    Duxton: The Labour Party has a history of supporting draft dodgers, many of the current line-up are progeny of these rodents. They supported watersiders in 1951, most who had hidden behind what was deemed essential services; in most cases, a way out of fighting. To top this off, when our servicemen came home and got their respective businesses, mainly farms, viable once again, these parasitical Labour-supported watersiders struck for more money because they thought those that had protected them for years, were making too much. No wonder Labour, and its supporters are still, to this day, most untrustworthy, and only supported by leeches.

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  55. slightlyrighty (2,450 comments) says:

    http://www.dol.govt.nz/er/pay/backgroundpapers/CBC-06-352-MinimumWageReview-Cabinet.pdf

    This is pdf of the cabinet paper on the minimum wage review in 2006, under a labour government. Bear in mind that Cunliffe was a part of that cabinet. It proves that Labour was well aware of the need to maintain relativity of the minimum wage to the average wage, and fully understood the consequences of raising the minimum wage beyond the ability of the economy to support it.

    Obviously collective amnesia has set in.

    If a humble worker like myself can find this sort of document in a 30 second google search, why is the MSM not holding these turkeys to account?

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  56. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Rats deserting a sinking ship ?” Highly unlikely. Australia is sinking. NZ is rising, and people know it. And its very cool to see. Well done JK

    :lol:

    climate change
    drought to you to scared of reality has made our milk more profitable
    mining has contracted
    griff made a windfall profit on gambling the gfc not effecting mining as much as the market contracted.
    The mining boom is going bust of course Aussie is contracting and exposing the symptomatic failures of a economy reliant on mineral extraction or primary industry.
    The same as us
    without the milk price rise we would be screwed
    enjoy you time at Denerua Hommo You may find that gated community’s were the locals are not allowed will become the norm here in time as well. Your greed and the others like you has taken our country away from us and given it to imported low wage immigrants because it insures your greed is answered by cheap labour and a compliant work force. Who cares if the result is to fuck our culture? not you because you are insulted by money from the daily reality of life for 75% of the country
    The national party has done nothing to indicate it is not centralist.
    WWF and maori are between them sucking the fat right out of the system. Paying familys to breed by taking money of single people is going to drive the youth offshore. The rats you all have breed are leaving as is our future kiwi cultural base
    National has not addressed ether of these simple distortions its to weak and to self serving to actually do what the electorate demands.
    National; is not a right wing party its a vacuum of centralist idiots to scared to actually do any thing significant about our fucked country.

    ps I dont give a fuck if you waste your money
    next time you complain about not being rich I will tell you the same as I did last time
    you are not rich because you spend to much on consumer driven tat .
    l

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  57. wreck1080 (3,533 comments) says:

    My goodness, imagine the required tax rises to fund the baubles of failure.

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  58. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    WOW!

    Simply an awesome thread lads, keep it up.

    I haven’t seen visceral hatred of labour on this level, since they were the government. :-P

    Ian McK – have you had your compulsory sodomization yet? If not, why not?

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  59. Mark (1,303 comments) says:

    This trio of idiots has to be the biggest threat to NZ’s national security we have faced.

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  60. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Coffee.
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    Sorry for the rant. :oops:

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  61. Psycho Milt (2,001 comments) says:

    Well, I enjoyed it, anyway.

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  62. Rich Prick (1,324 comments) says:

    Santa, where’s my f@#king bike! I’ve opened all the other presents and there’s nothing I like.

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