It’s the Anglican Church, not Gerry, who decided on the Cathedral

November 5th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

NewstalkZB reported:

Cabinet Minister ’s Catholic background has been brought up at the Labour Party’s annual conference in Christchurch.

Local Labour MP has noted Mr Brownlee’s St Bede’s education while discussing the potential demolition of the city’s historic Anglican Cathedral.

“So if you get the chance, delegates, I’d like you to remind Gerry that they stopped giving out papal knighthoods for destroying Anglican cathedrals several centuries ago.”

That’s so sad. Trying to stir up resentment against Gerry because of his religion, but even worse trying to blame him for a decision which was not his. It is the Bishop of Christchurch who made the decision.

Is Ms Woods stating that if she was in Government, she would have legislated to over-turn the decision of the Anglican Church? Is that what she thinks Gerry should have done?

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43 Responses to “It’s the Anglican Church, not Gerry, who decided on the Cathedral”

  1. contheneo (27 comments) says:

    Since when have Labour been worried about letting the truth get in the way of a good story/attack line?

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  2. tom1980 (40 comments) says:

    So with Labour we’re back to the counter-reformation. Great to see they’re able to focus on the issues that matter to NZ’ers in 2013. Three more years!

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  3. alloytoo (526 comments) says:

    Ms Woods is stating that a Labour government won’t protect property rights.

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  4. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I am pretty sure, but damned if I can find it now, that I’ve read Gerry was actually quite saddened to lose the Cathedral, and would have loved to have seen it restored if it was practically possible but he feared, given the complexity and the other issues facing CHCH that it would not be possible.

    No doubt someone will put me right, if I am wrong, but I don’t think blaming Gerry for this one is going to work.

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  5. georgebolwing (768 comments) says:

    Would Labour legislate to over-turn the decision of the Anglican Church? Of course they would: private property means nothing to them. And until we have a binding bill of rights enshrining the right to own and use property, parliaments in New Zealand will continue to play fast and loose with the property rights of the population.

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  6. Don the Kiwi (1,686 comments) says:

    “……….destroying Anglican cathedrals several centuries ago.”

    Shows how stupid and uneducated this woman is – several centuries ago, all cathedrals in England were Catholic. Then Henry VIII decided to institute the Church of England, and under succesive monarchs, the Church of England simply commandeered the cathedrals. In actual fact, in England, most of the cathedrals and monasteries had been built by the Catholic chuch on land granted to them by the monarchy – so it could be argued by Henry that he was simply taking back what belonged to him.

    It would be interesting if Ms. Woods could come up with evidence of “Papal knighthoods being given out for the destruction of Anglican Cathedrals.

    What a bigotted airhead she is.

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  7. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    Woods has just jumped the gun a bit. Cunliffe was supposed to announce Kiwi Religion next week. It’ll be a religion run by a government department, and the vicars will all be public servants.

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  8. Pete George (23,434 comments) says:

    Brownlee in May last year:

    Minister Gerry Brownlee believes the Anglican church is acting appropriately and says people need to remember how badly damaged the building is.

    “Christchurch Cathedral has been damaged from below the ground, where the ground itself has picked the building up, defied the force of gravity, and then dropped it down,” he said.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cathedral-protests-unrealistic—Brownlee/tabid/423/articleID/255691/Default.aspx

    He ibacked the Anglican decision.

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  9. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    Megan who?

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  10. redqueen (553 comments) says:

    @ davidp

    Is that the People’s Church of New Zealand announcement where Helen Clark is made the prophet and we have a green deity?

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  11. tom1980 (40 comments) says:

    How long before Cunliffe makes himself a Bishop?

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  12. wf (418 comments) says:

    Not only uneducated – she’s not up to speed with local affairs, which is an unforgivable lack in an MP.

    I’m not a church goer of any kind, neither do I live in the South Island and I knew that the Bishop made the call.

    When you read such nonsense from one MP, you might wonder about the quality overall – especially of the Labour reps.

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  13. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    Don>It would be interesting if Ms. Woods could come up with evidence of “Papal knighthoods being given out for the destruction of Anglican Cathedrals.

    Good point. I’m scratching my head trying to think of any Anglican cathedrals destroyed, anywhere, at any time. Coventry perhaps? Does Woods think the Pope dished out some honours for German bomber crews? That is just absurd.

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  14. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    I would never have picked Labour to be the party that would be using public money to build churches…. The things the socialists say to be popular eh….

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  15. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Oh… Hang on I get it now… Once Labour have used our money for the rebuild they will “have the right” to insist that the Cathedral is made available for same sex marriages… Command and control – using tax payers money… Yes – this all makes sense now.

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  16. anonymouse (709 comments) says:

    I Think Megan Woods has over egged her claim, if she had said “Protestant” Cathedrals, then she would probably be historically accurate, but I’m not aware of any Anglican cathedrals destroyed by Catholics that resulted in Papal honours,

    In fact the closest a Catholic has come to destroying an “Anglican Cathedral” was Mr John Johnson….

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  17. scrubone (3,091 comments) says:

    “……….destroying Anglican cathedrals several centuries ago.”

    Shows how stupid and uneducated this woman is – several centuries ago, all cathedrals in England were Catholic. Then Henry VIII decided to institute the Church of England, and under succesive monarchs, the Church of England simply commandeered the cathedrals.

    Never mind that it’s the earthquake that destroyed the cathedral – and the movement to “preserve” it has effectively destroyed the contents.

    Not that this sort of thing is new…
    http://halfdone.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/woods-has-a-habit-of-dredging-up-nastiness/

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  18. MT_Tinman (3,097 comments) says:

    Woods is, of course, Anderton jnr. and about as useful – Anderton snr. is a bloody left footer.

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  19. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    So who said this?…

    ‘This is not a public building – it is their building. God knows why prominent Catholic Jim Anderton is trying to impose his views on the Anglician Church as to their building. Jim – the Anglicians left you guys in 1534. You don’t get to decide.’

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  20. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    As an appreciator of nice architecture I am saddened that the Cathedral will be demolished and replaced by some tacky, modernist replacement. If it was up to me I would leave it as ruins like St Andrew’s Cathedral in Fife.

    As a Catholic though who will never use the Church for its intended function – and who will never be called upon to pay for its upkeep or the lion’s share of its earthquake proofing – my opinion doesn’t count for much does it?

    Those who never darken the door of the Church do benefit from its wonderful architectural traditions, but they do so as free-riders, not bill payers – and its the bill payers who need to call the shots.

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  21. tvb (4,325 comments) says:

    This woman trying to stir up ancient hatreds is not fit to be in politics. She should be reminded of this totally idiotic remark whenever she appears in public. Some people really are quite stupid.

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  22. Don the Kiwi (1,686 comments) says:

    Jim Anderton is prominent, not because he is a Catholic, but because he is – or has been – a prominent left wing politician.

    As far as his catholicism is concerned, Jim is what as known as a cafeteria catholic – he chooses for himself what parts of catholic teaching he follows.
    So I would not call Jim a “prominent Catholic” as far as catholicism is concerned – think Mother Teresa, Pope Benedict, Madame Curie, etc. ;-)

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  23. RRM (9,776 comments) says:

    Sad to see the local Labour Member of Parliament shares the same level of ignorance about Chch issues as the crowds of Christchurch dumbarses on Facebook, who every time the Chch Press features anything being built or done in the city, howl with protest

    “But how can [people] spend money on [thing] when there are still people without houses!”

    Like there is just one giant pot of free Government money that is covering everything, and greedy church and business interests are somehow ripping off more than their fair share.

    When I can be bothered, I sometimes ask them how much of their own money THEY have contributed to helping random CHCH people repair their houses, but apparently that’s not the point… :neutral:

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  24. scrubone (3,091 comments) says:

    This woman trying to stir up ancient hatreds is not fit to be in politics.

    Seems she’d fit right into a party run by Cunliffe.

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  25. Zebulon (82 comments) says:

    This is what you get when you have a party that selects MPs on the basis of quota, rather than ability.

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  26. Jack5 (5,009 comments) says:

    If the Anglicans want to have the entire say about Christchurch Cathedral let them fund the rebuild themselves.

    This church has been in steep decline, and its churches are usually empty save for trendy lefty huggers.

    As a non-Catholic, I consider Catholic politicians, notably Gerry Brownlee and Jim Anderton, have been generous, helpful, and caring about the restoration of the cathedral (though these two are on opposite sides of the debate about the form of the new cathedral).

    The Left’s influence on both Catholicism and Protestantism has been disastrous. The Leftist “Christian” agenda that is stridently feminist, gay liberation, pacifist, pro-abortion, sexually liberal, anti-family and pro-socialist, has slashed church attendances except in born-again sects which reject this trend.

    Brownlee has done a good job for us here in Christchurch after the earthquake. It’s obvious Labour is attacking him as part of its broader strategy.

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,266 comments) says:

    Woods is, of course, Anderton jnr. and about as useful – Anderton snr. is a bloody left footer.

    Quite so MT; and when I was in Christchurch a couple of weeks ago I noticed that the demolition of the once-magnificent Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrement in Barbadoes Street is well underway. I haven’t read any media reports of Jim Anderton taking legal action against the spiritual leaders in the Roman Catholic church to stop the demolition.

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  28. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    @RRM – you need to bear in mind the injunction of Michael Cullen that private charity lacks the ‘redemptive power of the state’ to understand the mindset.

    In other words, its not worth helping somebody unless you do it with other people’s money, under pain of imprisonment and only after that money has been churned through an inefficient and highly paid civil servants. Anything else is, in the words of Helen Clark (pbuh), ‘tax cuts for the rich.’

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  29. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    A shabby quip like that will backfire. Most people in Christchurch, as much as they’d love to have the Cathedral restored, know that the Anglican Church isn’t made of money and that the tax payers should not be expected to bridge the $50 million from the insurance cover to rebuild one church. Only diehard troughing progressives would expect the rest of NZ to foot the bill for rebuilding the Cathedral. CERA has been very restrained in not pushing too hard on the time frame to enforce its s38 demolition order allowing the Anglican Church plenty of time to make its mind up and make the site compliant.

    This is another chapter in Labour’s book of nasty personal attacks that have proven to be so unsuccessful.

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  30. Paulus (2,602 comments) says:

    I always thought that Christchurch was dominated by Catholics from Jim Anderton, Gerry Brownless, Clayton Cosgrove,and Lianne Dalziel.

    Taking Jim Anderton’s seat I would have assumed that Megan Woods would have ben one also.

    Silly cow. Who does she think she is ???

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  31. tvb (4,325 comments) says:

    I have emailed this woman expressing my fury at her remarks. I hope others do so as well.

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  32. flipper (3,950 comments) says:

    A couple of matters….

    Cato (823) Says:
    November 5th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Yep, the Treasury says it costs 20-21% to collect and redistribute every dollar fleeced
    (aka stolen) from taxpayers., Repeat: Only 79-80c in each dollar stolen is available for re-distribution.

    If the state “invests” in projects, the monies available drop to around 48 %.

    ****

    Woods…

    Is she a Doctor of Medicine, or an over-inflated Phud?
    Pun intended, but if the latter, in what discipline

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  33. GPT1 (2,116 comments) says:

    Change Catholic to Maori and imagine the (justifed) outrage. How is this different? What a petty minded bigoted attack.

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  34. RF (1,370 comments) says:

    What a bitch !!!!

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  35. scrubone (3,091 comments) says:

    Is she a Doctor of Medicine, or an over-inflated Phud?

    Apparently it’s in NZ history.

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  36. david (2,552 comments) says:

    Why is anyone surprised at the conjunction of “NASTY” and Doctor Megan Woods. You only need to hear her whining on in the house to hear this sort of small-minded garbage.

    Mind you, if the Labour policy of limiting the number of penises in their Caucus room is successful, there will be more females with a similar limitation to their intelligence and New Zealand will remain Blue for a long, long time.

    Flipper – definitely a Piled Higher and deeper but don’t know in what discipline.

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  37. emmess (1,422 comments) says:

    Look how far we have come in 400 years

    Queen Elizabeth I : I will not make windows into men’s soul.
    NZ Labour Party MP: It’s papist plot, off with his head.

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  38. dubya (228 comments) says:

    Her PhD is in history! Bloody hell. She should know better, but doesn’t.

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  39. OneTrack (2,981 comments) says:

    “Ms Woods is stating that a Labour government won’t protect property rights.”

    Havent they already made that abundantly clear?

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  40. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    Pbuh – I meant “Praise be upon her” – just a bit of a salawat joke.

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  41. Mobile Michael (443 comments) says:

    It is Guy Fawkes night, you know when we celebrate how a Catholic was prevented from blowing up an Anglican King in an attempt to restore the Monarchy to a Catholic. Catholic bashing day!

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  42. Interested (22 comments) says:

    Megan Woods should be aware of the catholic school and church in her electorate …Hope they are aware of her stupidity.

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  43. kowtow (8,184 comments) says:

    Guy Fawkes…….the only man who ever entered parliament with honest intentions!

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