Did Clark authorise mass spying on NZers for the US?

December 3rd, 2013 at 6:03 am by David Farrar

NewstalkZB reports:

The Prime Minister is playing down suggestions the public may have been targeted for data collection by domestic spy agencies.

Fresh revelations by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden have shown the Australian Defence Signals Directorate offered in 2008 to share data collected on Australian citizens with its intelligence partners

John Key called boss Ian Fletcher today to seek assurances that New Zealand had not done the same.

“I wasn’t Prime Minister (at the time), but I rang the head of the agency and said ‘can you confirm for me that New Zealand didn’t collect wholesale metadata about our ordinary New Zealanders.’

“The answer was ‘we didn’t, and because we didn’t we couldn’t have shared it.’”

The Australian offer was made in 2008, when Helen Clark was Prime Minister. So maybe someone should ask Helen Clark on the record if she ever authorised the collection of metadata from NZers, and the sharing of it with other countries.

Maybe the NZ Labour Party can confirm that when they were in Government, this did not happen on their watch.

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35 Responses to “Did Clark authorise mass spying on NZers for the US?”

  1. flipper (3,276 comments) says:

    But David, you are being unreasonable.
    Did you first seek permission from Vance before posing that question?

    Can we expect Vance to ask this of Clark?

    Can we expect Vance and the DumbPost to actually produce neutral report on the issue

    The hell we can.

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  2. slightlyrighty (2,448 comments) says:

    and this was also when Labor was in power in Australia…..

    go Figure…..

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  3. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    If the loathsome comrade Clark approved it the Labour Party will never acknowledge it.
    Silent T Cunliffe and co. will tell the biggest lies in the world to attain political power.

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  4. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    So, pretty well every other ‘western’ govt in the world appears to have pulled this shit on their own citizens but lovely little pure innocent New Zealand didn’t, couldn’t, wouldn’t ?

    The smell of b.s emanating lately from this govt is beginning to be nauseating.

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  5. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    I know what you mean about Comrade Clark. Even though we have been free of her for over five years now I still feel sick when I see her ugly face on the TV of hear that horrendous voice.

    She led the most corrupt government this nation has ever seen, indeed, Clark and corruption were words that came to be closely associated.

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  6. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    The Klarken beast would have happily done this if it thought it could get away with it. For our own safety and the public good of course !

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  7. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    emanating lately from this govt

    Chicken shit, are you seriously blaming Key for what the Klarken beast did during her reign of darkness ?

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  8. duggledog (1,119 comments) says:

    I know Chicken, isn’t it dreadful? As the rest of the developed world looks on wistfully at NZ’s buoyant economy, increasing prosperity while retaining all the accoutrements of a socialist nirvana, we must get rid of the current administration!

    And usher in an even BETTER socialist nirvana engineered by representatives who have no actual experience or track record!

    Do you seriously think it’s going to get better than this?

    God people like you are hard to please

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  9. peterwn (2,940 comments) says:

    I think it is time the Government throws the FBI under the bus with regard to extradition of Kim Dotcom. As far as I can see from what is generally known, there is good grounds to cancel his residency and bid him farewell before he does any more financial and political damage – it seems his presence is ‘tolerated’ only as he is awaiting extradition. The law includes a political ‘hook’ in the extradition process which would not normally be used, but here is an occasion where it can reasonably be used.

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  10. Mobile Michael (367 comments) says:

    She doesn’t remember, and the officials are to blame.

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  11. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    Ha Ha – the predictable Nat zombies come slithering out of the mire to administer a slap down.

    Not blaming Key for doing it Kea bumhole ( is that how you do it?) just the spin afterwards. Lets see what comes out of the woodwork in the days ahead shall we?

    Duggle – I’ve been coming to this site since 2004, I’d say I’m a far bit further to the right politically than you or Mr bumhole above.

    The fact that my mild criticism of the early spin on this matter means to you that I’m wanting to “get rid of the current administration!” is telling.

    By Zeus people like you need to stop being sycophantic arselicking comment zombies and be a little harder to please.

    It’s Politics pal – they all lie, it’s just the degrees that matter.

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  12. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Did Helen Clark spy on New Zealanders?

    Is the Pope a Catholic? Do big, brown bears shit in the woods?

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  13. Yoza (1,354 comments) says:

    The Australian offer was made in 2008, when Helen Clark was Prime Minister. So maybe someone should ask Helen Clark on the record if she ever authorised the collection of metadata from NZers, and the sharing of it with other countries.

    Anyone who has read Other People’s Wars by Nicky Hager would understand that the security apparatus’ hierarchy regards itself as beyond the influence of democratically elected officials within New Zealand, these goons exist to serve the Washington godfather.

    I’m guessing Clark was kept in the dark as much by New Zealand’s CIA/NSA proxies about spying on New Zealanders as she was by armed forces chiefs about New Zealand’s military involvement in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

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  14. mikemikemikemike (242 comments) says:

    If Labour approved it, I’ll bet my right nutsack National didn’t change a thing. If National did/do know anything about it and don’t say anything then they are as culpable and it can be implied they also approve. Be careful how hard you spin Mr. Farrar you could flick some shit in the wrong direction.

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  15. MT_Tinman (2,795 comments) says:

    Communists will believe anything.

    Clarkula micro-managed every-bloody-thing. It was never “left in the dark” about anything.

    Keeping Stock 07:57, you nailed it exactly.

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  16. jakejakejake (128 comments) says:

    I would definitely question the meanings of “wholesale metadata” and “ordinary New Zealanders”.

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  17. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “Did Helen Clark spy on New Zealanders?”

    Yeah. Nah.

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  18. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “And usher in an even BETTER socialist nirvana engineered by representatives who have no actual experience or track record!”

    Chicken wants us to follow in the path of Greece and Obama.

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  19. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “I’m guessing Clark was kept in the dark ” FFS cognitive dissonance rides again. But of course those same evil public servants haven’t kept Key in the dark.

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  20. deadrightkev (182 comments) says:

    My guess is the answer will be “not that I am aware of”.

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  21. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    David is calling on Labour to publicly deny they did something six years ago even though officials have already said it didn’t happen. I guess election year must have started already. Pity, I was hoping for a few more months of relative sanity.

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  22. Komata (975 comments) says:

    But Nigel, be reasonable, sir.

    It was only recently that these self-same sanctimonious Labourites were demanding that John key remember a short conversation he had several years ago with someone in the NZSIS. Surely it’s only fair that they be accorded the same privilege?

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  23. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    I reckon they did it. whenever i speak to a govt agency they call me a sick puppy :(

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  24. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    Dime,

    Be happy, you have provided the watchers with good leads.

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  25. Yoza (1,354 comments) says:

    OneTrack (1,198 comments) says:
    December 3rd, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “I’m guessing Clark was kept in the dark ” FFS cognitive dissonance rides again. But of course those same evil public servants haven’t kept Key in the dark.

    Key is completely on-board with ideas like the Washington Consensus and the doctrine of US exceptionalism, he promoted one of his school chums to head up the GCSB – there is no reason to keep Key ‘in the dark’ about anything, his obedience to our foreign masters has been demonstrated through a life time of service to their objectives.

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  26. Tom Jackson (2,263 comments) says:

    If it is discovered that she did, she should be stripped of NZ citizenship along with anyone else who did so.

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  27. dubya (200 comments) says:

    “I’ve been coming to this site since 2004, I’d say I’m a far bit further to the right politically than you or Mr bumhole above”

    But with a user name like ‘Chicken Little’, surely you must be a Green?!

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  28. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    So it’s a conspiracy when Labour is involved

    But a conspiracy theory when National is involved.

    In actual fact Clark and |Key belong to the same one world govt club.

    Mr Farrar has also said he believes in one world govt.

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  29. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘I neither confirm nor deny’ will become the official mantra

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  30. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    But DPF – It’s different when Labour do it !

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  31. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ““I’m guessing Clark was kept in the dark ” FFS cognitive dissonance rides again. But of course those same evil public servants haven’t kept Key in the dark.”

    Key is from the Federal Reserve and Foreign Exchange. He’s from the cabal that orchestrates the spying.

    He doesn’t need to be informed from any Bureaucracy in NZ. He has insider knowledge.

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  32. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    But with a user name like ‘Chicken Little’, surely you must be a Green?!

    Not at all dubya – unlike most Greens ( and a, seemingly, growing part of the commentors on this site ), I like to not take myself too seriously.

    As I recall I changed my name to CL about the time the ETS was welding its way through the hallowed corridors of power in protest at the absolute stupidity of our leaders buying into the bullshit that they can tax us more and make the weather change. lol what a bunch of idiots

    I’m still waiting for the weather change after the $1000′s of dollars each and every one of us has contributed in the last 4 years but it doesn’t seem to be happening yet.

    waitng……waiting……

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  33. dubya (200 comments) says:

    Glad to hear you also think the ETS is a pile of bollocks. Hopefully Key will follow Abbott’s lead and tell the UN to fuck off.

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  34. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    Yep, well we seem to follow the Aussies pretty slavishly on everything else. So heres hoping.

    When the Nats brought the ETS into being they lost my vote until it’s gone. Unfortunately there is no one else I would vote for so……. no votes from me for anyone.

    Interesting how the walls are starting to crumble in Europe ( including UK ) in regards to the costs of mitigating “climate change”.

    As for the Greens – when they start practicing what they preach – ie Metiria is the 2nd biggest air travel user in Parliament ( after Honi of course :) ), then I may be willing to give them a chance………

    nah, just kidding, bunch of commies :)

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  35. Francis_X (143 comments) says:

    But David, you support the power of the State to intrude in our lives. As such, you have to expect it of left-wing as well as “friendly” right wing governments!

    No use crying about it when it happens under a government you don’t approve of.

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