General Debate 15 January 2014

January 15th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

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  2. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Brendan Horan cleared!

    This is just too much fun.
    Squirm away Whinny… ha ha ha ha

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11186728

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  3. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @thePeoplesFlag

    So you lefties saying that you embrace all that Kim Dotcom is and stands for?

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Nice to see that the mainstream media is now mocking Beven Hanlon from the Corrections Assn and Labour’s Corrections spokeswoman Jacinda Ardern for their lack of attention to detail when launching an attack on Anne Tolley. It’s a spectacular own goal from the union and from Labour’s golden girl, and they need to apologise; but they won’t, because that’s not the way of the Left…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/busted-part-deux.html

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @the PeoplesFlag – I welcome Dotcom’s entry to politics. The people who vote for him certainly won’t be National Party voters. All he will do is leech votes off Labour, the Greens, Mana and the conspiracy theorists from Winston First. I hope that he gets 4.8% of the vote, which will all be wasted and redistributed.

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  6. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Lance- I would have thought an obese white guy living in a mansion with billions of dollars squirrelled away would be exactly the sort of ‘Rich Prick’ that the Left so openly detest…

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  7. MH (753 comments) says:

    This futile pursuiit of people of Jewish descent by Lord Haw Haw must cease,

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  8. EAD (1,086 comments) says:

    More pure propoganda from the Herald rag:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11186462

    The Hearld states that
    “same-sex partners more content than hetero couples”
    “couples without children were more satisfied with their relationships than couples with kids”

    Ticks boxes 3, 9, 10 & 11 from the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism Playbook

    1.The creation of racism offences
    2.Continual change to create confusion
    3.The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
    4.The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
    5.Huge immigration to destroy identity
    6.The promotion of excessive drinking
    7.Emptying of churches
    8.An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
    9.Dependency on the state or state benefits
    10.Control and dumbing down of media
    11.Encouraging the breakdown of the family

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  9. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @MH

    English translation?

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  10. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    And a very good morning to the lovely cyclist who swore at me on Hopetoun this morning- The lycra clad wanker was going about 50k on the wrong side of the road when he chose to swerve in front of me without warning, causing me to slam on my brakes.
    I gave him a blast on the horn to let him know he nearly caused an accident and I got a lovely earful in response as he sped away.
    It would be nice if these guys had a browse through the road code every now and then…
    Oh and put some clothes on pal- nobody wants to see your junk.

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  11. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

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  12. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,440 comments) says:

    January 15th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    Nice to see that the mainstream media is now mocking Beven Hanlon from the Corrections Assn and Labour’s Corrections spokeswoman Jacinda Ardern for their lack of attention to

    *****

    Agreed KS….
    BUT …

    Have you read the Dom Post Editorial this morning?

    As with the leaking of MFAT documents, the Dom Post ignores the truth, and blows a trumpet that was discredited by Ombudsmen Belgrave and Smith some six-seven years ago.

    Moreover, the Dom Post has the gall to demand this morning that Corrections cease using commercial flights. The silly bint of an editor should return to her homeland.

    Frankly, most New Zealanders are sick of the pernicious, anti Administration stance adopted by failed UK scribblers, Small and Vance included.

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  13. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    I’ll admit to being interested in seeing KDC’s party manifesto. Not because I’m remotely interested in supporting it, but because that will tell us what he’s really after.

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  14. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    @longknives it remains a mystery to me how everyone on the road has to take a test, get a licence and pay a fee EXCEPT the road lice, who are the most vulnerable of all.

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  15. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Lonknives…

    I disagree with you on many matters, but commend your reaction to the cyclist… who is far from atypical.

    The arrogance demonstrated by many does nothing to gain the sympathy of those who pay for the construction and upkeep of roads….not to mention ACC road accident premiums/costs.

    Well said!

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  16. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Peoplesflag:

    15,000+ people will be attending the launch of Kim Dotcom’s party at Vector Arena. If I were no-mates John Key, I would be very, very worried. The big German is coming after you Mr. Key….

    Yup. I’m also worried… If the overhyped, bloated, convicted fraudster ever exploded, there’d be shit on the moon.

    And who would clean it up? 8O

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  17. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Aha. This explains everything!

    http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/US-run-by-Nazi-space-aliens-Iran-claims-338159

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  18. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    @KS

    Hanlon has zero credibility.

    I remember a couple of years back a prisoner absconding from Mt Eden shortly after management of the remand facility was handed to Serco.

    Hanlon was on National radio bleating about the failures of the PPP model and how this was a prime example of the the “dismal record” of privately run prisons.

    The day after, TWO prisoners escaped from the country club that is Rangipo.

    National Radio in a rare moment of balance ran a story about public vs private and tied to get Hanlon to comment on the Rangipo escapes. He flatly refused.

    Guess which establishment was penalised for the escapes……….

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  19. redqueen (562 comments) says:

    Definitely think a ‘Bike Tax’, including ACC levy, along with appropriate licensing wouldn’t be a bad idea…why should motorists pay for bicyclists again? Oh wait, because the left say so…

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  20. sbk (312 comments) says:

    spot the difference,Obama’s “give peace a chance” and Chamberlain’s “peace in our lifetime””…. FFS.

    “Iran’s “moderate” president, Hassan Rouhani, tweeted this morning that “world powers,” including the U.S., had “surrendered” to the “Iranian nation’s will” in confirming a six-month interim nuclear deal that will allow the Iranian regime to continue its advanced centrifuge program and develop a new nuclear facility at Arak.”

    turns on the radio…”history never repeats ,i tell myself before i go to sleep”….nah…it does.

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  21. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Like the USA FatCon believes that he can buy his way out of extradition.
    He thought he had bought John Banks (and Len Brown) – but that was not to be.
    I will throw a party when he gets extradited to anywhere – his homeland Germany or Finland, as he has both passports.
    Unfortunately unless the GreenLabourWinston Government give him a New Zealand passport, which is probable, he will never get one otherwise.
    But it will take years as appeal after appeal to the Supreme Court, where the usual New Zealand whimps will invoke some Maori Law to let him stay.
    But will he ever get his money from Hong Kong ?
    Watch the IRD FatCon.

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  22. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    15,000+ people will be attending the launch of Kim Dotcom’s party at Vector Arena.

    The evidence points to more than double that for the launch of a Fishing Party

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  23. MH (753 comments) says:

    Arbeit macht frei

    The Lord Haw Haw of the internet,Dotcom makes you free downloads.

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  24. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Lance (2,210 comments) says:

    January 15th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Brendan Horan cleared!

    This is just too much fun.
    Squirm away Whinny… ha ha ha ha……
    ****

    Thanks for that heads up Lance.

    Mabey makes a compelling case for Horan. As a consequence, there are many in the media, including this commenting in blog, who jumped to conclusions.

    But the most important message from this will be missed/ignored, even if it is noticed, by the MSM: That there is very, very little, if anything, said by Peters that can be accepted at face value, and that 99 % certain to be a lie.

    As with the Dunne/Vance fiasco, Peters is now, once again, shown to be a liar.

    The surprise is that so many believed him.

    Declaration of Interest:
    I have no connection with Horan, do not know him, have never met him, and treat Peters, and the NZ First Party, with the contempt they deserve.

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  25. hane (69 comments) says:

    See the ant-cyclist boomer dicks are out in force. Guess what? 50% of local road upkeep is paid for in rates of which plenty is contributed by cyclists.

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  26. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Colin loves me, this I know,
    For the beating tells me so;
    Little ones to Him belong;
    They are weak, but He is strong.

    Funny; one story I recall about Jesus was how he STOPPED a bunch of people from stoning a woman caught in adultery. And once they all slunk away, he told the woman, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more.”

    No beating. No scolding. Just a plea with the woman to mend her ways.

    The stories I recall about Jesus depict him as a non-violent, caring person. No beating. No scolding.

    So why do some Christians still insist on the Old Testament approach of beating and scolding their children?

    Would Christ have kept smacking his child as it grew up?

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  27. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Len Brown should have gone months ago. He has abused his position as Mayor of Auckland, lost the confidence of the city over which he presides, and surrendered his personal credibility in representing Auckland as its official leader. Aucklanders should not tolerate this self-indulgent narcissist remaining in office at his sole discretion.

    But the Graham McCready private prosecution approach causes me a degree of concern. While private prosecutions have a legitimate role in our legal environment, does the emergence of this kind of serial crusader against the forces of evil leave anyone else feeling a little uneasy?

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  28. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    The People’s Flag –

    Why are you socialists getting into bed with Kim Dotcom – don’t you know he’s one of the 1%?

    What about your class struggle?

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  29. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Calendar girl:

    No.

    It would be interesting to see the indictment (or whatever its called, maybe FE can enlighten us, have I been reading too much John Grisham?) but whilst he has behaved like a slimy prick it doesn’t seem like it would meet the threshold for a criminal corruption charge….so I would be interested in knowing what the prospects of success are.

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  30. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    At the time of his expulsion, NZ First leader Winston Peters said that after seeing “substantive” information, he had no confidence in Mr Horan’s ability to continue as a MP.

    Peters’ claims of having information to back up his accusations have time and time again been proven to be false or unsubstantiated. It looks very much like deliberate lying to smear.

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  31. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Really hane? That looks like a made up “statistic”, or bullshit as we like to call it.

    http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme/2012-2015/docs/at-a-glance.pdf

    indicates that around 21% of road spending comes from rates.

    Given we can have a fact-free debate, let me add that it is well known that cyclists, who are all too poor to afford cars, don’t pay rates. They are smug, unhappy parasites.

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  32. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    does the emergence of this kind of serial crusader against the forces of evil leave anyone else feeling a little uneasy?

    No not really; the guy is just a lunatic, if he was not doing that he would be out on the street waving placards or writing polemic all over the footpaths. I think most people would find something better to do with their time & money…

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  33. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    nickb:

    @GraemeEdgeler

    My prediction is that this won’t get very far. I don’t think McCready has evidence. He’ll need some.

    But…

    @AndrewLittleMP

    Don’t think it’s clear cut & there is at least an arguable case at the first hurdle

    While Brown’s failure to disclose donations and conflicts of interest seem far more serious than Banks being sloppy signing his electoral return I agree with calendar girl that one man crusades via private prosecutions are concerning and could get out of hand. What if party black ops decide to start doing it?

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  34. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    if he was not doing that he would be out on the street waving placards or writing polemic all over the footpaths.

    Oops – I forgot to add: Or he would have an online presence and his website would be covered in clip art warning people that troll hunter is active and that if you run you’ll only die tired.

    Given we can have a fact-free debate, let me add that it is well known that cyclists, who are all too poor to afford cars, don’t pay rates. They are smug, unhappy parasites.

    Don’t even go there… I’m a ratepayer, and most road cyclists I see around town are on bikes that would have cost more than my car!

    I shudder to think what it would cost, to set yourself up as a serious foot soldier of the lycra-brigade…

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  35. Gosman (324 comments) says:

    Yet more wacky thinking from the Middle East

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/from-you-couldnt-make-it-up-files.html

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  36. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Thanks, Nick – good to see you back after your Europe trip.

    I’m not fussed about the chances of success of McCready’s private prosecution (although if it fails it will be used by Brown as justification of his unprincipled stand). But there has been publicity somewhere that McCready is linked with a new private company set up to pursue private prosecutions. While I would be the last to criticise profit-motive enterprise in most aspects of our society (even a properly-regulated legal profession!), I’m uneasy about monetary gain becoming a motivator of people initiating private criminal prosecutions.

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  37. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Mr Horan’s lawyer Paul Mabey QC:

    “Mr Peters continues to make unjustified remarks about Mr Horan’s expulsion from NZ First, and alleged wrongdoing but nothing Mr Peters says is evidence of anything,” Mr Mabey said.

    Mr Peters said he stood by everything he said at the time he fired Mr Horan.

    It would be ironic indeed if Horan had a go at Peters for defamation.

    Any claim or accusation from Peters must be regarded with contempt unless he produces any evidence.

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  38. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Cyclists aren’t poor. I’m sure they pay their way.

    My last mountain bike was $5k, I’d assume a decent road bike would cost about the same.

    The cyclist lobby though needs to take a step back and address the number of law violations its members do, it has zero credibility right now. They need to remember that rights bring responsibilities.

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  39. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig says he smacks his child. He does not. He chastises his 8-year-old daughter with “a flick of a finger on the back of a knuckle”. That might be an odd thing to do but it hardly amounts to the violence the anti-smacking law forbids.”

    This is the issue. The anti smacking campaigners view a flick of a finger equally as bad as a severe beating with a block of wood.

    This is the fraud of the antismacking brigade.

    In fact, sue bradford crawled out of the woodwork and said colin craig is committing violent acts against his child.

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  40. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    So why do some Christians still insist on the Old Testament approach of beating and scolding their children?

    Would Christ have kept smacking his child as it grew up?

    All the evidence says that children need only three things:
    1) Love
    2) Boundaries
    3) Consequences for crossing those boundaries

    In a world, and a country, where so many children get none of the above, why do so many interfering fuckwits focus so much on what thousands of decent parents sometimes choose for #3?

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  41. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Crown Law’s position on private prosecutions has always been that as long as they are genuinely private, in the sense of being brought by an individual for personal reasons, then they are an acceptable and indeed necessary part of a free and democratic society. However, once they become motivated by gain, as a private prosecution service is, they will be seen as an attempt to usurp the Crown’s role in having responsibility for the criminal justice system, and will be taken over by the Crown and stayed. So McCready’s assertions that he is employed as a private prosecutor will come to nothing. Even if an individual initiates a prosecution, the Crown can take it over, as happened with the Banks case. Just because Crown Law takes it over doesn’t mean that it will proceed further. In the right case, it will, but if the prosecution does not meet the S-G’s guidelines of evidential sufficiency and the public interest, the prosecution will be stayed.

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  42. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    I want my children to grow up to be smart, capable of thinking for themselves; compassionate, able to differentiate right and wrong and treat others fairly; and competent, possessing their own motivation to succeed.

    Teaching them that they must do what I say, when I say so, and because I said so, or else I will [punish them / not reward them / withdraw love by sending them to "time out"] for not meeting my expectations seems like a GREAT way of achieving those goals!

    :neutral: Not.

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  43. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Elaycee @832….if Slob Dot Con ever exploded…..

    Bon appetite…..

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  44. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    He’s calling it Internet Party. A virtual piss-up or a virtual piss-take?

    Irinic that Banks is scaling back his politics due to a pending prosecution and Dotcom is ramping up his politics due to a pending prosecution.

    Is his party party covered by campaign funding rules and potentially inducing votes?

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  45. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    Yeah, RRM ‘cos a stroppy 4 year old that’s just called his mum a “f-ing idiot” totally has the attention span to discuss why he’s failed to meet your expectations.

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  46. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Nailing the bugger: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/14/Israeli-Defense-Minister-Kerry-is-Obsessive-Messianic

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  47. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    I see that 15000 registrations reported earlier were entries in a competition for 2000 free tickets to KDC’s party, not registrations for the party itself….

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  48. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    I was rather amused by a little item in a real estate flyer that arrived in my letterbox this morning.
    It listed all the houses that had recently sold in Wellington recently.
    One of them, which was in Cunliffe Street had sold for approximately HALF its rateable value.

    It is obviously, like the person who bears the name of the street, grossly over-rated.

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  49. Harriet (4,970 comments) says:

    “…….15,000+ people will be attending the launch of Kim Dotcom’s party at Vector Arena. If I were no-mates John Key, I would be very, very worried. The big German is coming after you Mr. Key, and he got the money to match you dollar for dollar….”

    There will be plenty of sharks about to take some of that bait then.

    And for anyone of reasonable standing to get in amongst that sort of nonsense would not be making a very good public or career move.

    Rough company is never a good look.

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  50. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    TimG_Oz (873 comments) says:
    January 15th, 2014 at 8:32 am
    Aha. This explains everything!

    http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/US-run-by-Nazi-space-aliens-Iran-claims-338159

    Has Reid been talking to the Iranians?

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  51. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Kiwigreg – actually Hane is marginally more correct than your once-over-lightly glance at a NZTA document designed for mass consumption.

    If you want to have a debate about road funding and who pays what (and is therefore somehow more “entitled” to use the roads) consider the following:

    LOCAL ROADS (i.e. not State Highways) – which is where the vast majority of cycling takes place attract a financial assistance rate from the National Land Transport Fund of an average of 50% – the balance is made up of rates. This is what Hane was getting at.

    But wait, there’s more:

    Important to note that until 2008 the National Land Transport Fund was actually funded out of the consolidated fund, NOT fuel excise duty, RUC etc etc.

    Pre 2008 roads were funded by a combination of taxpayer and ratepayer funding. Road users had about as much to do with road funding as smokers and alcohol drinkers (i.e. payers of other excise duties).

    But to bring things to 2014, only a proportion of current road spend (local and state highways) is new roads, and most new road funding is related to big highway projects that inflate the figures, which cyclists will never be allowed near. Maintenance and renewals chew up a large proportion of the funding.

    Here’s the kicker for you Kiwigreg – maintenance is related to damage and degradation, which is related to weight, which is why trucks pay more. A pedestrian or a bike does virtually no damage relative to even the smallest of cars or motorbikes.

    Its more than likely the cost of collection of a cyclist’s fair share of maintenance would be higher than the amount collected – without even getting into the taxation complexities around mountain bikes used almost exclusively off-road etc etc.

    But putting all this to one side. the issue here is about following road rules and who pays what does not give anyone more, or less entitlement to use the road or follow the rules.

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  52. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    sue bradford crawled out of the woodwork and said colin craig is committing violent acts against his child.

    Bradford seems psychologically damaged somehow. And she inflicted it on the rest of the country.

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  53. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Dictator President Obama planning to use executive action (his “pen” and his “phone”) to bypass Congress and get done what he wants this year.

    “We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.

    Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/obama-on-executive-actions-ive-got-a-pen-and-ive-got-a-phone/

    White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer sent an e-mail early Tuesday to preview President Obama’s plan to use his executive power in ways Americans have never seen before.

    “President Obama has a resolution for 2014: That this will be a year of action,” Pfeiffer said in the e-mail, pointing out that Obama would no longer be waiting around for Congress to get things done.

    “Instead, the president will use his executive authority, both his pen and his phone, to work with anyone to get things done — whether they be leaders in business, education, Congress, states, or local communities,” he said.

    Obama’s threat to use executive action, however, is nothing new. Ever since Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in 2011, Obama has vowed to use executive actions to push forward his agenda on immigration and drug laws as well as gun control initiatives, climate change, and job creation. And, on many occasions, he has done so.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/dan-pfeiffer-president-obama-is-ready-to-use-every-executive-action-available/article/2542137

    Totally unconstitutional. This president is the worst ever.

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  54. MH (753 comments) says:

    however accidents involving unarmoured bikes clog up hospitals, doctors,staff,ambulance crews,traffic police, detours,Fulton Hogans putting cones up, accident reports and visits to the scene by traffic engineers,etc etc. I’m sure Derek Quigly would put the value of a cyclist down to a negative (-) 2.333 recurring.

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  55. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Alan – I came to the same conclusion in terms of what I like to call the Sandal Wearers (the cycling lobby).

    I do about 250km per week on road and off road on the bike. I detest red light runners with a passion, because the motorist sees the guy doing that, and not the other cyclists stopped at the lights. I rarely ride in bunches (i.e. 2 abreast), except for races, partly because I like the flexibility, but mostly because bunch riding is cheating in terms of effort.

    But here’s the conclusion I’ve come to most from riding and driving – The problem isn’t “cyclists”, in the same way that the guy that cuts you off with his car on the motorway (or texts while driving, or speeds, or goes to slow) isn’t a problem with “motorists”

    The problem is arrogant or ignorant, or clueless dickheads. Their choice of transport simply makes them more or less visible (cue the debate about whether cycling in its nature attracts a higher proportion of dickheads).

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  56. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    RRM, you want a road bike, second hand from $3-400 to, say, $700 for something reasonably rideable. The clothing is reasonably cheap too, and helmets from $30. I started without cleats just using toeclips, so shoes not needed. A pair of sunglasses is also a good idea.

    So it ain’t that expensive if you’re not into the display side. And once you do start to ride a bit, you’ll soon find that the road appears to be mainly populated by raving loonies who never signal, appear to look straight through you, seem to deliberately cut you off, and you will also encounter more than once that passenger who just has to find something to fling or squirt at you, just because it’s fun to hassle others who can’t catch you easily. Oh, and be prepared to have your normal, careful ride down your side of the road described as ” a wild career down the wrong side at 50 kph” by blog posters who just want to spew a little hatred.

    And that said, I’m lucky to live and ride in an area where (mostly) the traffic is pretty reasonably behaved towards cyclists and we manage to share the road pretty well without too much road rage on either side. However a couple I know slightly were part of a group taken out by a young “still drunk in the morning” driver, and although a few years ago neither has really recovered from their injuries; head for one, leg for the other.

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  57. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    If the NZ SFO arguably DID THEIR JOB and treated bribery and corruption complaints as such, instead of as a ‘serious and complex fraud’ complaints – then there would be no need for this private prosecution against Mayor Len Brown.

    You can read for yourselves the SFO response for the request from Lisa Prager and myself asking the SFO to reevaluate their decision on 5 December 2013 to decline to investigate our original complaint (dated 22 November 2013), on the basis of the new evidence revealed in the Ernst and Young Report about the undisclosed ‘hospitality / gifts’ from Sky City, at a time when the Sky City Convention deal / legislation was an ‘item of business’ before Auckland Council.

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    Penny Bright

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  58. Andrei (2,651 comments) says:

    Woman assaults daughter with jandal

    A Tauranga mother has been sentenced to 240 hours’ community work for assaulting her daughter with a jandal.
    snip

    Judge Bidois said her behaviour was irresponsible and disgraceful.

    He ordered the woman to do a parenting course and put her under 12 months’ intensive supervision

    Nanny knows best how to raise children, it seems and will use full force of the law on those whose parenting does not comply with their expert opinion

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  59. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Re: Cyclists – my folks live in a kind of country area where the roads really aren’t that wide anyway (they don’t have a verge or curb on each side) yet cyclists quite often ride in groups along it, sometimes in races where they set out road cones, warning signs, have people with stop and go signs, etc, and sometimes not.

    These may technically be “back roads” but are well used. Nothing worse than getting stuck behind a group of cyclists on a back road with no passing lanes. These type of roads really aren’t meant for cyclists.

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  60. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    A Tauranga mother has been sentenced to 240 hours’ community work for assaulting her daughter with a jandal.

    The 28-year-old was granted name suppression by Judge Louis Bidois when she appeared for sentencing in Tauranga District Court yesterday.

    She pleaded guilty in December to four counts of assault on a child.

    The charges stem from allegations the woman assaulted her four children, all aged under 12-years-old, some involving a jandal and folded belt.

    In sentencing yesterday the judge told the 28-year-old her behaviour was irresponsible and disgraceful.

    “There is no doubt the children would have been upset and hurt by the assault.

    The judge ordered the woman to undertake a parenting course and put her under 12 months’ intensive supervision.
    – See more at: http://sunlive.co.nz/news/62170-mum-sentenced-jandal-hit.html#sthash.WFiDlcUf.dpuf
    ============================

    once more to the frontier.

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  61. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “Sue bradford crawled out of the woodwork ”

    She never went away- Haven’t you seen her ‘Mini Me’ spouting her rather extreme left-wing propaganda on One Network News lately?

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  62. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Better have referendum on deporting obese criminal slugs and rid ourselves of this Fairfax/APN, radio and Tv plaything. He is nothing but an apparition who should be arseholed out for even attempting to play politics in his host country. Does the fat slug not realise the only ones that want him are the losers who provide nothing!

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  63. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    I wonder whether Katie Bradford was smacked as a child.

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  64. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Pete George says:

    Would Christ have kept smacking his child as it grew up?

    You must be thinking of the harmless hippie Jesus Pete.

    Not the real Jesus Christ, who said things like:

    And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. (Matthew 18:9)

    and

    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

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  65. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    An atheist is granted asylum in the UK on the grounds of his belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25715736

    Personally I would have thought the ground would have been right of freedom from (persecution by Moslems) religion.

    This raises the issue of whether any women seeking an education and a career should also be able to claim refugee status from a number of Moslem countries where this places her at risk.

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  66. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,441 comments) says:
    January 15th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    @the PeoplesFlag – I welcome Dotcom’s entry to politics. The people who vote for him certainly won’t be National Party voters. All he will do is leech votes off Labour, the Greens, Mana and the conspiracy theorists from Winston First. I hope that he gets 4.8% of the vote, which will all be wasted and redistributed.
    ====================================

    ks. your really are out of touch.

    National will be left with Peters old people,Nationals old and disenfranchised people, and middle nz lefties which means that they will not be a majority party.
    Depending on candidates and policies they will have an effect given that no one likes Labour anymore, Greens are going down and KDC will pick up the more progressive of them, Mana and Maori will struggle and IMHO they more progressive Maori now vote Nats as they are by proxy their representatives.
    Act have work to do to take the progressive people from all parties.
    So basically KDC will have a big effect as he is internet savy like none of the others. Has bloody good legal advice and will activate the young voters. (you know the ones that Labour are rabbiting on about dragging out, something they won’t acheive.)

    Obama one the last election because he used these tactics to gain money for the cause and to motivate those voters who gave him the power.

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  67. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Lucia, do you think he meant, fear and obey my God or be burnt forever in hell?

    And thus fear and obey parents or else be smacked with a rod (unless use of the rod be made illegal) – then parents would have to teach like rabbis rather than threaten their children?

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  68. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Private prison operator Serco has apologised to Kim Dotcom for his treatment at Mt Eden after his arrest two years ago.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9611744/Dotcom-gets-jail-apology

    Thank goodness someone has then money to out these bad behavoirs.

    I didn’t hear Hamlon speaking up.

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  69. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    A culture of MPs “who have to put their party first” is prompting Brendan Horan to start a new political party – one made up of independent MPs.

    The announcement comes at the same time an executor’s report on whether Horan took money from his late mother’s accounts cleared him of any wrongdoing.

    Horan became an independent MP after being expelled from NZ First in 2012 amid allegations he illegally took money from his late mother, Olwen Horan.

    “There was never any wrongdoing, and from the start I said that,” Horan said today.

    “I’ve been in a position where there was no due process and I was consistently and maliciously defamed over the past year and my reputation’s sullied.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9612110/Brendan-Horan-to-start-new-party

    Horan said today that through his work as an independent in Parliament he had seen disenchanted MPs who were not able to serve their communities properly.

    “It’s become clear to me there are a lot of disgruntled MPs in Parliament who would love to vote for the people of their area but can’t because they have to put their party first,” he said.

    “I think we’re now at an age where New Zealanders deserve better.”

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  70. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    SPC,

    Yes and no. Hell is separation from God for eternity, which is why it is painful. Everyone who goes there chooses that fate because they don’t want to be in the presence of God, they want to be far away from Him, therefore where they go is Hell. Living a sinful life makes a person less and less likely to choose God when they die, therefore sin leads to Hell.

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  71. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria – threats of hell can be as insidious as physical assaults, especially when sustained over periods of time. Using threats to bully.

    One interpretation of your quotes could be “shut up and take your punishment or you’ll go to hell”.

    Edit: As per SPC, so I’m not the only one who sees that.

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  72. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Pete,

    And yet these “threats”, as you call them, come from Christ, whom you have tried to co-opt for your cause.

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  73. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Fletch – I too live in the country.

    There’s nothing worse than getting caught behind a the local rural contractor in his 10 foot wide 6 wheeled tractor on the way to do hay cutting.

    Or the guy moving his cows from one grass verge to another (using his unregistered, unwarranted farm quad in the process).

    Or the women with their SUVs and horse floats, or riding the horses themselves.

    The local rural school bus is a real pain with all that stopping and starting and children.

    The Fonterra tankers are a real pain in the arse too.

    Some of these things are bigger than you, some are smaller. Some take up more room, some less. Some are very predictable, others not so much. Most probably all move slower than you.

    Can you answer me this: Just who are the roads meant for?

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  74. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Living a sinful life makes a person less and less likely to choose God when they die, therefore sin leads to Hell.

    No matter what you do you still get to choose when you die? hell, what sort of a deal is that?

    Smacking and hurting kids sounds sinful to me. More and more smacking, less and less likely to choose God? Unfortunately some take it as a duty to whack their kids which they think will somehow be ok with their god. What if God doesn’t like harming kids no matter what their sins?

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  75. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Lucia, why call separation from God “a fire in hell”, sounds like a place and a fate as a burnt offering? It is not as if there was no later placement of people onto crosses to be burnt alive to death in this world – as if an agent of his authority could then do this to people.

    And better instruction would have been to close an eye to temptation, rather than cut it out. After all at the time anyone with a physical injury, such as loss of an eye, was banned from the Temple.

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  76. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    LM – I haven’t tried to co-opt Christ for my cause, I was pointing out inconsistencies with those who try to co-opt Christianity for their cause.

    When Jesus said what was quoted (if he did say those things) was he talking to children? Or to adults?

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  77. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    Oh god..KDC is setting up a Party…

    Que the obsessive 30 posts a day by the obsessive one and his fellow obsessive keyboard warrior sock puppets

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  78. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Stop trying so hard to get a bite out of Kiwiblog’s Christians Pete- It’s kind of sad and pathetic…

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  79. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    All I want to see from news footage of the Kim Dot Com party launch is him with a fully shaved head stroking a Mr Bigglesworth. – Anything less will be a cop-out

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  80. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Kim DotCom would still be an unknown if it weren’t for the Govt illegally attacking his business. Now he is a celebrity and public figure who can be seen almost anywhere. Thanks Mr Key.

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  81. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    What if God doesn’t like harming kids no matter what their sins?

    Dimwit strikes again, conflating a corrective smack with harming kids. Is there no end to your ignorance Pete?

    I haven’t tried to co-opt Christ for my cause I was pointing out inconsistencies with those who try to co-opt Christianity for their cause.

    The stories I recall about Jesus depict him as a non-violent, caring person. No beating. No scolding.

    So why do some Christians still insist on the Old Testament approach of beating and scolding their children?

    Would Christ have kept smacking his child as it grew up?

    Firstly that sounds like co-opting to me, which is amusing for someone so ignorant of what Christ said and secondly who here has ever attempted to bring in Christianity as an argument in favour of repealing anti-smacking? I’ve seen plenty of dimwits hallucinate that because someone is in favour of that repeal and is also a Christian, they conflate the two together but I’m afraid that confluence exists only in their fevered hallucination, in the lack of any evidence that any commenter here has ever actually said that.

    So go ahead Pete. either find those comment(s) or stop making things up.

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  82. Fairfacts Media (372 comments) says:

    Who’s slaughtering the unborn girls?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lost-girls-thousands-of-missing-girls-revealed-by-analysis-of-uks-2011-census-results-9059905.html
    Thousands of them it seems.
    No mention of which faith they might follow.
    But the article does mention their mothers tend to be from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and India.
    Must be those darned Presbyterians again!

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  83. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Andrei…

    Nanny knows best how to raise children, it seems and will use full force of the law on those whose parenting does not comply with their expert opinion.

    …seems to be highly critical of the State (via a judge) for this (which he disingenuously edited or didn’t fully read):

    A Tauranga mother has been sentenced to 240 hours’ community work for assaulting her daughter with a jandal.

    The 28-year-old was given name suppression by Judge Louis Bidois at her sentencing in Tauranga District Court yesterday, SunLive news website reported.

    She last month pleaded guilty to four counts of assault on a child.

    She was found to have assaulted her four children, all aged under 12, with some of the assaults involving a jandal and folded belt.

    Judge Bidois said her behaviour was irresponsible and disgraceful.

    He ordered the woman to do a parenting course and put her under 12 months’ intensive supervision, SunLive said.

    Andrei do you really think the State has no business intervening when a mother assaults all four of her children, including with a jandal and a belt?

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  84. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    See:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11186251
    ‘Pat Pilcher: Should Xtra dump Yahoo?’

    Within Telecom’s management, the issue is going to become whether Telecom should even be in the email business. So perhaps SMTP and POP servers will go the way of ‘newsgroups’. Interestingly paradise.net.nz ‘s webmail page is so out of date as to be a joke, so TelstraClear / Vodafone were / are not particularly interested in providing email services but tolerate running email servers, but they cannot even clobber phishing emails trying to obtain paradise account user names and passwords.

    If Telecom did dump Yahoo, their best bet may be to put in a simple Linux system with Roundcube or similar webmail and insist on a fresh login each time (Yahoo does not require re-logins if cookies are set appropriately and that seems to be the root of most evils).

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  85. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Im surprised but im meeting a few conservative voters.. in real life! people i wouldnt expect. the main comment is “jk needs friends”.

    I think id almost put money on them getting in.

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  86. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    “Andrei do you really think the State has no business intervening when a mother assaults all four of her children, including with a jandal and a belt?”

    PG, I do not know Andrei’s view but I see not reason why the legislation cannot be changed to allow reasonable physical discipline but ban smacks to the head and the use of an implement. I have mentioned numerous times that this is what John Boscawen’s bill called but was rejected by Key.

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  87. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    @dime – the Conservatives are shaping up as a “right-wing” version of the Greens. Internationally-known brand that’s nothing like their actual policies and a bunch of loonies on their party list.

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  88. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    chuck – theres no point debating with PG. hes on a weird campaign against craig. he will lot listen to any argument. in his mind, smacking a child on the ass is “administering a beating” etc

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  89. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Chamberlain would be proud: http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-iran-nuclear-side-deal-20140113,0,4116168.story#axzz2qQ8mh7Sx

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  90. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Chuck, I’ve already commented on Boscawen’s amendment and thought it looked promising, but that’s history (2007, nearly seven years ago). Do you know if it’s in Act’s policy mix now?

    dime – you’re making things up again. Look back at the Craig thread (where graham is trying to imply I hurt kids more than Craig).

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  91. Andrei (2,651 comments) says:

    Andrei do you really think the State has no business intervening when a mother assaults all four of her children, including with a jandal and a belt?

    I don’t consider that to be an assault PG – you lefties are really good at dumbing down words – a minor, very minor instance of traditional childhood discipline an assault?

    FFS Sir Winston Churchill was birched at school and so was Sir Bernhard Law Montgomery, they survived it and yet here we are whining about a jandal.

    I believe that even our future Monarch the Prince of Wales had the cane applied to his buttocks in his schooldays but some might cruelly retort that that might explain why he is so weird so perhaps I shouldn’t mention it

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  92. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    How’s the googling going Dimwit? Found an answer to my 12:16 yet or were you (a) lying or (b) confused? (There isn’t a “c.”)

    you’re making things up again. Look back at the Craig thread (where graham is trying to imply I hurt kids more than Craig)

    Newsflash Dimwit, the only person who sees any relationship to your second sentence and what dime said at 1:02, is you. So now it’d be good to know the answer to another question. Were you (a) lying or (b) confused when you just said that? Also, you may as well know that while you may think you’ve been fiendishly clever in covering your shill-trail on behalf of your master, no-one but nasska and SPC thinks anything other than what dime just said, and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that all of us have always thought that, since the day you started it some months ago.

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  93. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    I’m not trying to imply anything more or less than what you are trying to imply about Colin Craig, Pete.

    You commented, at one point, that you have “tapped” your children’s hands and bums as a form of correction or discipline. I have simply pointed out that if Craig’s discipline consists of “a flick of a finger on the back of a knuckle”, then this is not going to hurt a child any more than your “tap on their bum or hand” will. This is a simple enough thing to test, simply try it on yourself – flick your own knuckle with your finger – it’s actually quite hard to cause any pain, and by the time you’re flicking hard enough to cause pain to the child you’re going to be feeling a bit of a sting yourself. Whereas a firm tap with four fingers on the back of the hand will sting for several seconds.

    I’m not implying anything about you, Pete, merely pointing out the reality of how much a “flick on the back of a knuckle” (Colin Craig’s stated method of discipline) hurts, versus how much a “tap on the bum or hand” (Pete George’s stated method of discipline) hurts.

    You seem to be the one trying to imply things and overblow them – you’ve implied that Craig is an authoritarian parent and stated that his intent is to hurt his daughter.

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  94. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “dime – you’re making things up again. Look back at the Craig thread (where graham is trying to imply I hurt kids more than Craig).”

    I thought you only ran over cyclists and stayed silent when your mates brag about beating their wives. :D

    goddam im a cranky dime this week :D

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  95. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    The glaring hole in the who pays for what as regards Cyclists is they are entirely exempt from the ACC component for other road users who are compelled to “register” their machine. Just look at what motor cyclists have to pay for multiple machines when they can only ride one at a timeThe costs of cyclists injured on the road falls to the motor reg as a levy where as cyclists have no cost and it is a blanket scheme with no regard as to safty record or blame.
    Oh the pure as snow cyclists pay in other ways but only what every other road user pays no more no less. No fuel tax, no acc no ruc and no licence and yet they still bitch and moan having no regard for the usually exorbitant costs of “cycle Lanes’ that they do not even always use.

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  96. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Fairfacts media

    Every day it seems there’s an important story in the UK media about how enriching all that multiculturalism has been….

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/453726/Our-precious-democracy-is-being-lost-in-translation

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  97. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Gravedoger -While I agree with you on the inequity of multiple ACC levies for a single user, the rest of your points miss the mark.

    Do you apply the same logic to pedestrians and their incessant demands for footpaths and safe places to cross which they ignore in favour of jaywalking (both of which are part of the road corridor)? – maybe we should register walkers, or for argument’s sake (anticpating you come back on the “machines” point) skateboards, scooters, pushchairs, mobility scooters and wheelchairs. All use the road corridor.

    There is no free lunch. Cycling injuries are levied for, and covered by, the Earners Account (unless you are not working in which case the Govt picks up the tab).

    As to your other point about not paying other costs – go back and read my post of 11.05am.

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  98. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    TVNZ has just whacked up a video taken from the point of view of a cyclist who narrowly misses being hit by a car pulling out.
    They ask on Facebook –

    A cyclist’s near miss on an Auckland road was caught on camera. Have you had a similar experience? Email your videos to news@tvnz.co.nz

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/cyclist-s-near-miss-auckland-road-video-5800473

    I guess it’s obvious which viewpoint they support.

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  99. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Wow, Fletch,

    I wonder how fast that cyclist was going! There ought to be speed limits on cyclists as they can’t seem to be able to react very well when someone makes a mistake and misjudges their speed.

    When I was a teenager, I remember one time when I crossed the road on my bike to get into the bike flow of traffic on the other side. There was no one in sight when I started crossing the road, but by the time I got to the other side, another cyclist had appeared out of nowhere, and presumably had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting me and got really shitty at me for being there! At the time I remember being shocked that anyone would be biking around the bays in Wellington so fast.

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  100. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    There was no one in sight when I started crossing the road, but by the time I got to the other side, another cyclist had appeared out of nowhere,

    Read this: http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/

    The cyclist was probably there all along. They ought to teach drivers this stuff as part of the licence conditions.

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  101. freemark (580 comments) says:

    I’ve kept out of the cyclists debate, always try to be considerate andf non judgemental.. even at the idiots in lycra riding circuits around the small Coromandel spot where I holidayed. Not 20 minutes ago however (and after I carefully waited for 20 seconds for a cyclist to go past before I opened the door to pop into a dairy) this happened: Same cyclist, I catch him up further along Dominion Rd at a set of lights with 2 straight thru lanes. He sits in the middle of the lane, light turns green, he ambles off..again in the middle of the lane, plenty of room to pull left and allow cars past. Nope, not him. I eventually go past, polite-fully suggest through the window that he could keep left. The swearing, invective, abuse etc he unleashed surprised then pissed me off. So I forced him off the road, hope he broke his fucking bike, and his leg. Cunt was a pom, no doubt Gween supporter as well. I’ll look for him again tomorrow…

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  102. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria – judging by the turning vehicle, the bike is going no more than 40km/h, and as for your point about reaction time, if they were a car, with a van doing that, there would have been a collision.

    A decent roadie will comfortably cycle on the flat in the stream of 50km/h traffic – deal with it.

    The fault is entirely with the van.

    But thats the issue really. There are 3 possible explanations for this incident:
    – the van was unsighted at a critical point when looking left and right and missed the cyclist behind the turning vehicle
    – the van driver completely misjudged the cyclist’s speed, but how is that the cyclist’s problem?
    – the van driver was to total asshole who took the size matters approach.

    I’d go with either one of the first 2 explanations as in the vast majority of close calls I’ve had on the bike, when I’ve reflected on the incident, its been a genuine mistake by the driver, or me.

    The niggling aggro us vs them bullshit, mixed with a holier than thou attitude of tit for tat accusations about cyclists and car drivers not following the road rules (who here hasn’t gone over 100km/h in the car?) glosses over a serious issue which is our collective lack of tolerance and awareness of others is actually putting lives at risk.

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  103. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Freemark

    Firstly, cheers for being considerate. Of all the dangers on the road, a good dooring gives me the shits more than anything (in fact its my only ever ACC claim from cycling with 4 broken ribs, a broken helmet – lets not go there on the helmet debate – and half the skin missing from left thigh through to shoulder).

    But as for the idiot you encountered…….

    Chances are guy will be an asshole off the bike when he gets into the car.

    He’ll push in front of you at the bar.

    He will secretly dump his non-biodegradable rubbish into his neighbours bin rather than sully his own

    He’ll whine incessantly about how hot it is when he sits next to you at the beach at your small Coromandel spot.

    Why label him a cyclist?

    He’s just an asshole who happened to be on a bike when you had the misfortune to see him.

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  104. freemark (580 comments) says:

    @ Yogibear.
    Good comment, you forgot to say Gween asshole though.

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  105. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    @Freemark

    Quite right – though I thought I had it partially covered by the covert dumping of non-biodegradables with the neighbours.

    The Gween equivalent of farting and blaming it on someone else.

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  106. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    Re Len Brown resigning (not).
    The longer the serial tosser stays around the better I say.
    Firstly, he is very much aligned with the NZLP which could ultimately damage them.
    Secondly, it will be good news for National and supply plenty of ammunition/fodder leading up to the election.
    So I say “stick around Len” it won’t be helpful to your party and could play into Nationals hand.

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  107. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    @PhilP ” Thats right “

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  108. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    More women turning off politics after Julia Gillard was badly treated
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/more-women-turning-off-politics-after-julia-gillard-was-badly-treated/story-fnii5yv7-1226801892247

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  109. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    James,

    Maybe the cyclist was there all along, but I wasn’t in a car – I was a cyclist as well. Was he looking out for me? Any cyclist going at high speed needs to take other much slower cyclists into consideration when they are biking. Not all of us can do 50kph as Yoza alleges cyclists can.

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  110. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Offense is taken: http://news.yahoo.com/us-slams-reported-israeli-criticism-kerry-plan-39-161444208.html

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  111. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Sorry, that was Yogibear that said cyclists can do 50, not Yoza. That’s damn fast for the cycle lane. Even 40 is too fast. There should be a speed limit for cyclists, unless they are on a race track.

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  112. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    The Justice System shows its PC hand again.

    The race/nationality of a refugee/immigrant has been suppressed and he has avoided jail on charges after he “… grabbed, groped and licked female joggers on a popular running route in Christchurch…”

    The female judge said the “misnomer of Port Hills Groper” had vilified the immigrant in relation to his offending. She restricted publication of his ethnicity and religion, but said media could say he was of “Middle Eastern extraction”.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11186746

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  113. Harriet (4,970 comments) says:

    “……Andrei do you really think the State has no business intervening when a mother assaults all four of her children, including with a jandal and a belt?….”

    For about 200yrs the State never did.

    When the schools stopped physical punishment they still didn’t.

    I can’t see after 200yrs how the state can now come along and say ‘wrong’ – especially amongst the current ruins of society – Youth violence. Youth rape.

    There is nothing wrong with physical discipline.

    Jailing people is physical discipline – and most people jailed are in fear of physical violence. Most jailed people become victims of physical violence.

    Quite simply………the hypocritical State can go and get fucked on the matter – the judges & PM included! :cool:

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  114. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Answers please on the back of a postcard. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gh62bsyikkcaied/Lifesbigquestion.png

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  115. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Two prostitutes were riding around town with a sign on top of
    their car which said:

    “TWO PROSTITUTES — $50.00.”

    A policeman, seeing the sign, stopped them and told them they’d
    either have to remove the sign or go to jail.

    Just at that time, another car passed with a sign saying:

    “JESUS SAVES.”

    One of the girls asked the cop, “How come you don’t stop them?!”

    “Well, that’s a little different,” the cop smiled. “Their sign
    pertains to religion.”

    So the two ladies of the night frowned as they took their sign
    down and drove off.

    The following day found the same cop in the area when he noticed
    the two ladies driving around with a large sign on their car
    again.

    Figuring he had an easy arrest, he began to catch up with them
    when he noticed the new sign which now read:

    “TWO FALLEN ANGELS SEEKING PETER $50.00.”

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  116. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    I’ve had a chat to Mr. Chan nasska and he can supply silk underwear to whatever your measurements so you won’t have to worry about the wool wedding dress being next to your skin!…… Get back darling! :)

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  117. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Silk black singlets? :)

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  118. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    What size silk shorts nasska. Do you need a larger than normal pocket? :)

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  119. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Slightly larger & reinforced thanks JB. :)

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  120. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    I somehow expected you would say that Bigboy!!!! :)

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  121. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    Silk for the flower girls to Johnboy or is just for Nasska ?

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  122. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    As long as you have a crotchless pair stigie! :)

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  123. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    @Jack5

    What religion do you think the groper was?

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  124. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    He’s getting ahead of himself stigie….we’re still waiting for the engagement ring.

    After I get it valued we’ll worry about the undies. :)

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  125. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    What sort of a Yorkshireman do you think I am nasska?

    It’s pure 3 carat gold lad! :)

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  126. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    Johnboy is trying to push it along a bit Nasska, just in case you say NO.

    I can understand where he is coming from.

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  127. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    So it doesn’t matter what form of the game the ‘Blackcaps’ play the NZ public are staying away in droves, doesn’t bode well for the world cup

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  128. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    NZ Cricket should change their names to “The Soft Little Whitey Arse Boys” till they win a series.

    Then the useless bastards would have something to fight for! :)

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  129. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    soft little white boys, crutchless knickers, cricket bats.. you went to boarding school I take it

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  130. Rowan (2,345 comments) says:

    Awesome closing performance from Luke Ronchi who came in at a difficult time and steered NZ to victory, 51 n.o. of 28 is pretty impressive stuff.

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  131. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers

    Documents have been filed today in the Auckland District Court for the private prosecution of Auckland Mayor Len Brown, by NZ Private Prosecution Services Ltd (‘agent’ Graham McCready).

    For a private prosecution to be successful, a District Court Judge needs to consider the ‘public interest’.

    ‘Public interest’ requires a PUBLIC FUSS:

    Media coverage to date……………….

    Private prosecution accuses Len Brown of taking bribes
    TVNZ – ‎4 hours ago‎
    A private prosecution that accuses Auckland Mayor Len Brown of accepting bribes has been officially lodged in the Auckland District Court this afternoon. Private prosecutor Graham McCready alleges Mr Brown accepted bribes for himself and his wife in the …

    Brown private prosecution papers filed
    New Zealand Herald – ‎4 hours ago‎
    Charging documents for the private prosecution against embattled Auckland Mayor Len Brown have now been delivered to the city’s district court. They prosecution, laid by retired Wellington accountant Graham McCready, alleges Mr Brown broke the law in …
    Court papers to be filed against Auckland Mayor Len Brown in National Business Review (subscription) – ‎11 hours ago‎

    Papers to be filed in an Auckland court today allege Auckland mayor Len Brown broke the law by not declaring free hotel rooms and upgrades. Retired Wellington Accountant Graham McCready is taking a private prosecution against Mr Brown under section …

    Private prosecution against Len Brown to be lodged
    TVNZ – ‎12 hours ago‎
    A private prosecution against Auckland Mayor Len Brown will be officially lodged in court today. Private prosecutor Graham McCready says he will today file charging documents alleging Mr Brown broke the law by not declaring free hotel rooms. The retired …

    Court papers to be filed against Len Brown
    Stuff.co.nz – ‎12 hours ago‎
    Papers alleging Auckland mayor Len Brown broke the law by not declaring free hotel rooms will be filed with an Auckland court today. Retired Wellington accountant Graham McCready will bring a private prosecution against the second-term mayor alleging …

    mayor faces new date: in court
    New Zealand Herald – ‎12 hours ago‎
    A private prosecution will be brought today against Auckland’s embattled Mayor Len Brown, alleging he broke the law in not declaring hotel freebies from SkyCity. Two charging documents sent to Auckland District Court by retired Wellington accountant …

    Private prosecution filed against mayor
    Radio New Zealand – ‎2 hours ago‎
    Papers have been filed in the Auckland District Court taking a private prosecution against mayor Len Brown. Len Brown. Photo: RNZ. Revelations in October last year of an extra-marital affair brought Mr Brown’s spending under scrutiny and the Auckland …

    High hopes for Brown private prosecution
    3News NZ – ‎2 hours ago‎
    Auckland Mayor Len Brown could face a trial after a private prosecution was filed this afternoon. The Mayor couldn’t be reached for comment today, but Graham McCready, who successfully brought a prosecution against John Banks last year, alleges Brown …

    Private prosecution filed against Len Brown
    Newstalk ZB – ‎4 hours ago‎
    He believes Len Brown supported the SkyCity Convention Centre deal after receiving freebies and room upgrades from its hotel. Mr McReady says Len Brown didn’t disclose the gifts and then changed his position to support the SkyCity Convention Centre …

    Potential Len Brown litigation a long way off
    Newstalk ZB – ‎7 hours ago‎
    There’s still a fair amount of paperwork to be done before Len Brown faces the prospect of defending a corruption charge. Serial litigator Graham McCready is filing a private prosecution against the Auckland mayor, alleging he was corrupt in supporting the …

    Former accountant to prosecute Len Brown
    The Dominion Post – ‎7 hours ago‎
    Papers alleging Auckland mayor Len Brown broke the law by not declaring free hotel rooms have been filed at the Auckland District Court. Retired Wellington accountant Graham McCready will bring a private prosecution against the second-term mayor …

    Len Brown faces corruption allegation
    NZ City – ‎8 hours ago‎
    Embattled Auckland Mayor Len Brown will have another problem to contend with today when a former accountant files papers against him alleging corruption. Graham McCready says he’ll file a private prosecution against Mr Brown in the Auckland District …

    McCready going after Len Brown
    The Farming Show – ‎10 hours ago‎
    It’s the handiwork of Graham McCready – the man responsible for instigating a raft of private prosecutions, most notably against ACT MP John Banks. Mr McCready says two charging documents alleging bribery and corruption will be filed on his behalf in the …

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    I predict there will be more – FAR MORE to come on this story …….

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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