Greens think NZ is shameful when it comes to human rights

January 29th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

The have said:

UN inquiry highlights NZ’s shameful record

The Greens really think New Zealand has a shameful record on human rights? Isn’t that the sort of rhetoric and language you expect to hear about repressive regimes. Is that really what the Greens think of New Zealand?

Of course NZ is not perfect when it comes to human rights. But we have an incredibly strong and proud record with human rights – better I’d say than almost every other country on Earth. Yet the Greens think our record is shameful.

Well how do we rank internationally:

  • Freedom rating 1 (top rating)  Freedom House
  • Civil Liberties rating 1 (top rating)  Freedom House
  • Political Rights rating 1 (top rating)  Freedom House
  • Human Freedom – 1st/123 – Free the World
  • Press Freedom – 8th/179 – Reporters without Borders
  • Democratic Authority – 10/10 (top rating) – Polity
  • Freedom Meta-Index – 1st/173 Free Existence (for freedom of expression, from corruption and property rights)
  • Democracy Index – 5th/167 Economist
  • International Human Rights Rank Indicator – 12th/208 – GNRD

So again, this is what the Greens call a shameful record.

Rather ironic also to have the Greens go on about human rights, when they proudly supported the Electoral Finance Bill and Act, and were the only party to vote against its repeal.

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40 Responses to “Greens think NZ is shameful when it comes to human rights”

  1. alloytoo (337 comments) says:

    The greens don’t actually believe in human rights at all, their approach is most Stalin-ish.

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  2. dirty harry (240 comments) says:

    Well if they weren’t stoned all the time they might see things as they really are…

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  3. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    If you read about human rights on Wikipedia they are reasonable (interesting to follow the basis of the Howard League).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights
    When you follow the current application they are going way too far. There can be no distinction between any group (except “indigenous”). The rights of outsiders are equal to the rights of citizens.

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  4. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    Suggest they point their other three fingers towards North Korea and China and some African countries. Shameful of them that they haven’t. The UN has to find something wrong with NZ – how else do those who work in the UN human rights dept justify their jobs and the money given to them by us?

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  5. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    “Greens think NZ is shameful when it comes to human rights”

    Unlike socialist utopias such as: North Korea, USSR, Romania and *Pol Pots Cambodia ?

    *Pol had a vision of a socialist organic farming agrarian workers paradise. He simply implemented current Green policy.

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  6. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    If the Greens think we have a terrible record on human rights then I suggest they move to North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, or Syria. South Afghanistan would also be an option for them. Please move.

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  7. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    thePeoplesFlag, or ross69, or hamnida, or samuel smith, said

    more window dressing from a neo-liberal agenda that will spin any story rather than admit we are ruled by an oppressive government

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  8. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    Judith Collins gave a very good account of this report and the process by which its drawn up on Moaning Report.

    As with all UN things its drafted by a committee, some who thoroughly know about NZ, and others who dont. The way it was related by Collins is the recommendations that are made about each country are made by right by other countries and NGOs and are not subjected to any factual vetting or negotiation.

    So the Nambians had a crack at us over the Police using tasers, only for it to emerge later that the Namibian delegate didn’t understand that NZ police weren’t routinely armed, and that the tasers had cameras, and that there has been no upheld complaints about the approach of the police, or serious injury resulting from their use.

    Yet the report ends up with a totally uninformed recommendation on tasers impinging on Human Rights.

    More examples of the waste of space of much of the UN bureaucracy.

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  9. Rich Prick (1,320 comments) says:

    Keep it up wackjobs, you’re doing a fine job of making yourselves look stupid. “Shameful” … pffft.

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  10. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Of course we have shameful human rights – Beneficiaries are not allowed to simply kill and eat workers and confiscate their assets… They rely on the government to drive the rich pricks out of the country, legislation is needed to give the “real people” more rights over the “scum workers”.

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  11. srylands (301 comments) says:

    It will be interesting to see what future historians make of this period in New Zealand politics.

    New Zealand seems to have moved from an era of significant (generally evidence based) economic debate in the 80s and 90s to a period of lost opportunities in the first decade of the 2000s to now something of a cross roads. Large sections of the population are being persuaded by propaganda, with no evidence base.

    If you tell people every day that the Government is oppressive, and that it resembles a far right wing dictatorship looking after a clique of rich cronies, too many come to believe it, despite all the evidence to the contrarary. In turn that belief system leads these people to vote for politicians that really WILL erode freedoms, and adapt policies that will reduce, rather than advance, prosperity.

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  12. Colville (1,774 comments) says:

    We know the Gweens dont believe in freedom of speech …. no National/ACT/Conservative Party billboard will be safe in the 2014 election.

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  13. dishy (199 comments) says:

    The whole concept of human rights is a modern, artifcial construct. What passes for human rights are really just claims, that may or may not make their way into law.

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  14. Tinshed (55 comments) says:

    I know most readers here share little, if any, views of the Greens. However this statement is simply ludicrous and beyond comprehension. It seems they take almost fetishic pleasure in saying how bad things are in New Zealand.

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  15. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    As with all UN things its drafted by a committee, some who thoroughly know about NZ, and others who dont. The way it was related by Collins is the recommendations that are made about each country are made by right by other countries and NGOs and are not subjected to any factual vetting or negotiation.
    ….
    and then they become “all the people of the world” and if NZ does (such and such) “they will be seen as a pariah by the rest of the World”.
    They need a good wack over the snout.

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  16. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    a shameful record?

    not all of us feel bad for being born white.

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  17. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (522 comments) says:

    Only when the Greens are eliminated from the NZ political scene, we will move forward as a nation.

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  18. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    I second Sir Cullen’s motion.

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  19. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    The Greens talk down NZ at every opportunity:

    – NZ’s economy is a “failure”, when everyone else says it is one of the best
    – There is a manufacturing crisis, when manufacturing is soaring
    – NZ’s environment is somehow an “eco-disaster” that is keeping tourist away, when it is not
    – And now NZ has “shameful” human rights when we are about the top of the world.

    The Greens are not just delusion, they are malicious and dishonest.

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  20. alex Masterley (1,438 comments) says:

    QSF,
    In other words the Greens are bullshitters!

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  21. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    I remember the Greens pushing hard to destroy New Zealand’s 100% Pure marketing campaign for self serving reasons. I think now it is only fair for them to drink some of their own cool-aid and rebrand as nothing they are campaigning on has anything to do with the environment. Turei even said the other day that their campaign will be based around “inequality”. That’s a great thing for a party of complainers, who have never contributed anything to NZ, to have as their core value seeing as equality is impossible. As such they should rebrand as the Inequality Party and be done with it.

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  22. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (389 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Only when the Greens are eliminated from the NZ political scene, we will move forward as a nation.
    ……………………………….
    They are a chimera of environmentalism and utopian world socialism.
    Logie is just one of Keith Lockes entrails.
    I envisage a low carbon world as a world making do with less and having fewer babies. They believe in more babies, making do with less, but there being a lot of money around.

    If we want to move forward as a nation we need to embrace nationalism other wise we will continue to be a nation of rich and poor. Nationalism is the pork chop in the synagogue in today’s socio-political environment. Scaling the walls, however are ideas based on evolutionary psychology and the fastidious representations of the likes of Sir Hugh Green of Immigration Watch UK.

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  23. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    I suppose with a party led by a former Australian communist and a fat maori female headhunted from the Mcgillycully serious party, it is little wonder that they hate New Zealanders and are determined to bring them down.

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  24. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    Newsflash! Greens are fucking hypocrites!

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  25. BeeJay (65 comments) says:

    It’s almost impossible to understand where this Green Party lot are coming from! I do know a lot of people, friends, family, business associates who are genuinely concerned about the environment, resource prospecting, weather, global warming et al, but none of them are looney like these GP clowns. Do they honestly think that the average kiwi believes the rubbish that they spout? I actually used to think that there was a place for an environmentally concerned political group, but never thought that it would become an extreme anti NZ political party, led by a green Australian wanker who couldn’t give a toss for our country, and is only concerned about his own extremist ambitions.

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  26. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    Jan Logie is saber rattling. It doesn’t matter what the unwashed think. She represents a strong block of views which have got themselves embedded in our institutions (HCR, Race Relations Office).

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  27. Garbageman (2 comments) says:

    The Green Taliban encouraging true Kiwis to keep National in power everytime they open their silly hippy mouths, oh and Gareth H fk off you dont speak for me or any NZr i know

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  28. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “and that the tasers had cameras, and that there has been no upheld complaints about the approach of the police, or serious injury resulting from their use.”

    The camera footage is for police eyes only so it is no surprise that there are no “upheld complaints” about Taser misuse.

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  29. peterwn (2,935 comments) says:

    jackinabox
    The camera footage is for police eyes only. Try telling that to an innocent motorist and a nearby truck driver (who was sober and did not have a phone) with regard to the footage taken just south of the Hill Road overbridge south of Manurewa last year (the Hill Road overbridge is notable for its ‘V’ centre supports).

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  30. Albert_Ross (172 comments) says:

    BeeJay at 12:08, I wish there was a possibility to thumb-up more than once. I am sure you are right that there are many people – well, I’m one, and I have no reason to suppose myself a particularly unusual person – who have real concerns about the environment but who couldn’t vote for the Greens in a million years, given that not one of their recent policy announcements is remotely likely actually to achieve any environmental benefit and several have every potential to do serious environmental harm. There’s a clear political gap opening up there.

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  31. peterwn (2,935 comments) says:

    I wonder if UN committees measure ‘human rights’ abuses by the number of complaints received. There is probably a relatively high level of complaints concerning NZ and these would appear to be related to:
    1. immigration matters – asylum seekers or those facing deportation.
    2. individuals or groups aggrieved at Government decisions – Pharmac, welfare, health etc
    3. justice / corrections matters – never mind that NZ prisons are palatial compared with Kerobokan, Murmansk, etc.

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  32. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “peterwn (2,725 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    jackinabox
    The camera footage is for police eyes only. Try telling that to an innocent motorist and a nearby truck driver (who was sober and did not have a phone) with regard to the footage taken just south of the Hill Road overbridge south of Manurewa last year (the Hill Road overbridge is notable for its ‘V’ centre supports).”

    Err, the post was about Taser video footage peterwn, keep up that man!

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  33. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure Taser video is fully disclosable Jack (i:e if you are Tasered you or your lawyer will receive the footage)…
    But keep up the Anti-Police rants and conspiracy theories mate…

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  34. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “I’m pretty sure Taser video is fully disclosable Jack (i:e if you are Tasered you or your lawyer will receive the footage)…”

    No Longknives, the cops won’t give you or your lawyer the footage, and if a Judge orders them to hand it over all the cameras will be gone by lunchtime.

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  35. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Then I’d imagine any Prosecution would be thrown out ‘by lunchtime’ Jack…
    You 100% sure about all this?

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  36. unitedtribes (24 comments) says:

    Hard to know who are the greater fuckwits the Greens or the UN

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  37. OneTrack (1,963 comments) says:

    “not all of us feel bad for being born white.”

    But you should. The reeducation teams will start work just after the next election.

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  38. OneTrack (1,963 comments) says:

    “– NZ’s economy is a “failure”, when everyone else says it is one of the best
    – There is a manufacturing crisis, when manufacturing is soaring
    – NZ’s environment is somehow an “eco-disaster” that is keeping tourist away, when it is not
    – And now NZ has “shameful” human rights when we are about the top of the world.

    The Greens are not just delusion, they are malicious and dishonest.”

    No, they are just projecting what the country will look like once they have finished with it.

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  39. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    It’s hard to see how the Greens care about NZ as a nation at all; as mentioned earlier in the thread they run it down at every opportunity. I can’t remember the last time they said anything positive about how things are in this country and nor do they seem to have anything constructive to add, other than ill-thought out policies derived from emotional reasoning or wedge politics.

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  40. Crusader (225 comments) says:

    We know the Gweens dont believe in freedom of speech …. no National/ACT/Conservative Party billboard will be safe in the 2014 election.

    We all know that any car with a National or ACT sticker on it will be “keyed”, whereas a car (usually belching smoke) with a Green sticker on it is safe.
    Quite apart from the obvious irony of a Green car sticker, this leaves us with the impression that the vandals, haters and wreckers vote for the Greens or Labour.
    So, are you going to vote with the vandals or against them. Pretty simple choice, if you support civilization and the rule of law.

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