Horan cleared

January 15th, 2014 at 11:05 am by David Farrar

The BoP Times reports:

Independent MP has been cleared of any wrongdoing following an investigation into allegations he took money from the accounts of his late mother.

In his final determination dated October 1, 2013, sighted by the Bay of Plenty Times, the executor of Olwen Horan’s estate John Buckthought says an investigation into the claims found no evidence which enabled him to find any claim against Mr Horan.

Mr Horan, who was expelled from NZ First in December 2012 after his half-brother Mana Ormsby claimed he had inappropriately used their mother’s bank cards, has come out fighting.

Mr Horan said he was not ruling out defamation proceedings against one or more parties.

He said he planned to remain as an independent MP, and would contest the Tauranga electorate seat at this year’s general election.

At the time of his expulsion, NZ First leader Winston Peters said that after seeing “substantive” information, he had no confidence in Mr Horan’s ability to continue as a MP.

As I said at the time, that regardless of the substance of the allegations, the process used by Peters was flawed:

I do believe Peters has done the right thing in acting against Horan if there is substantive proof of wrong-doing that Horan can’t credibly rebut. But the process he has followed has been seriously flawed and dictatorial and for Peters especially very hypocritical.

It now turns out there was no proof of wrong-doing, and the process used a kangaroo court. Peters made the decision without even talking to his caucus or board about it. In a later post I said:

On the basis of what is known, I actually think Peters was right to take action against Horan. But the way they have taken action has been appalling in terms of process. They need to write to him and put the complaints to him, and have a hearing where he can put a defence.

If NZ First had followed due process, then they might have decided to only suspend Horan until the independent investigation reported back.

Of interest, Horan says he is setting up his own party.

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39 Responses to “Horan cleared”

  1. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    Another great big nail in Winston Peters coffin. Great stuff :)

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  2. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Of interest, Horan says he is setting up his own party.

    His sense of self-importance knows no bounds. I hope he spends thousands of dollars setting it up and campaigning just to get a few hundred votes. A bloody joke.

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  3. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I am sure it takes already high levels of narcissism to stand for Parliament, but the huge (and unwarranted) ego and complete lack of any self awareness by Horan in staying on as an MP because he thought he could achieve something as a disgraced independent tells the whole story really.

    The fact he is now setting up a new party is the icing on the cake. Could he call it the TAB Party?

    Where does NZF find these utter imbeciles?

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  4. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    “I’ve been asked to lead a new political party and it’s going to be an independent coalition and those independent MPs would be directly accountable to the electorate that votes them in.”

    Mr Horan says the party already has a number of candidates willing to stand in electorate seats.

    An interesting concept. I think it’s something that could work very well if it succeeded, but it will depend on the quality of the candidates and of course whether they can prove pessimists wrong and get enough votes. It won’t be easy for Horan.

    Manolo, I don’t see you trying to do any better. In fact I don’t see you trying to do anything much but run other people down. No wonder you get so frustrated. Your only success is in maintaining perpetually pissy frustration.

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  5. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Nickb: Perhaps you could explain how Horan is “a disgraced independent” in the light of him being CLEARED of allegations of wrongdoing? Prematurely disgraced perhaps?

    this could get very interesting if Peters has made accusations against him outside the House…I seem to recall him being fairly careful not to do that…

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  6. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    “I’ve been asked to lead a new political party…”

    Weakness, he won’t even own the foundation of the party, how is he going to lead it anywhere?

    it’s going to be an independent coalition and those independent MPs would be directly accountable to the electorate that votes them in.

    :neutral: Because while United Future chooses to sit on the fence; we’ll go absolutely anywhere the wind blows us.

    Brendan Horan’s NON-Party: a vote for us is a vote for [___your comment here___]

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  7. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    ” Could he call it the TAB Party?”

    As a bit of a punter myself he’d have my vote!

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  8. lazza (381 comments) says:

    “Due Process”! … Winston! … NZ First! … F Off!

    They would not know due process if it bit them on the willy.

    Look at his appointment of an ineffectual, token, tame deputy!

    Leave Williams fuming on the sideline, kick Horan out on a slim pretext … see a pattern developing here do we?

    Anyone in NZF who challenges the Winston personaility cult … or shows promise (threat) … gets the shove.

    Wake up voters, caution drinking “The Koolade” … for this is a sham of a (un) democratic political party.

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  9. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    DG: Having had involvement with Peters and his party, I would doubt very much whether he would have left the door open to any legal proceedings. He is now a senile old fool, but not stupid.

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  10. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    RRM – no, he said independent MPs would act in the best interests of their electorate. Like all MPs should do but many put their party interests first.

    Quite a few voters would like their MPs to go where their electorate blows them.

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  11. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Even though there was no proof of wrong doing, it didn’t stop you from saying that “On the basis of what is known, I actually think Peters was right to take action against Horan”.

    No, Peter’s wasn’t right to take action.

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  12. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    the huge (and unwarranted) ego and complete lack of any self awareness by Horan in staying on as an MP because he thought he could achieve something as a disgraced independent tells the whole story really.

    That’s incredibly dumb even by your own low standards, Nick. He would never have been an independent had Winston shown some judgment and common sense.

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  13. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    There is a lesson to be learned here. If you are looking after finances for an elderly relative (or children or other vulnerable people) you are in a position of trust and must be squeaky clean. Simply write the transactions in a notebook together with their purpose ensuring all ‘miscellaneous’ transactions on the bank statement are covered. If for any reason concern is expressed, te notebook entries quickly allay fears.

    Unfortunately there seems to be enough issues surrounding this sort of thing that there are calls for more State intervention with this sort of thing, with the implication that the taxpayer should cover the costs of administration and management of elderly peoples’ assets. There could be a requirement that such finances be professionally managed, but the fees will really bite into the assets especially id they are modest.

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  14. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Manolo, I don’t see you trying to do any better. In fact I don’t see you trying to do anything much but run other people down.

    I shall change my ways now that I’ve seen the light.
    Just sent by mail my UnitedFuture application form alongside a generous donation. Long live the party of change!

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  15. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    “Just sent by mail my UnitedFuture application form alongside a generous donation. Long live the party of change!”

    Expect to hear back with an acceptance letter relatively quickly! I don’t think they are exactly overwhelmed with support at the moment…

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  16. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Nickb: Perhaps you could explain how Horan is “a disgraced independent” in the light of him being CLEARED of allegations of wrongdoing? Prematurely disgraced perhaps?

    He is obviously entitled to the presumption of innocence, but rightly or not the mud stuck once Winston fired him, and surely the right course of action would have been to resign and sort things out. That’s more what I was meaning.

    That is of course putting aside the fact he is a dick, an obvious trougher, and stood for Narcissists First.

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  17. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    I can’t say I ever thought much of Horan’s intellect or his political abilities (both qualities are often mutually exclusive regardless). However, I said at the time it was ridiculous for Peters to get rid of him so swiftly, and this appears to have been borne out by futher investigation. Goes to show what a joke NZ First is as a party.

    Those who mock Horan for starting his own party should ask themselves what their course of action would be had they been so hard done by by their party leader. I don’t think it will get anywhere, but good on him for trying. It’s more than most people do.

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  18. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Pete George –

    But what if he listens to those people next door to me, who I don’t like much and who I seem to disagree with on more or less anything?

    I want pollies to say what they’re for. Then I can consider what they’re for, and how competent they seem, and vote accordingly.

    Pollies who won’t say what they’re for, could do anything. Or do absolutely nothing. No thanks!

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  19. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    He is obviously entitled to the presumption of innocence, but rightly or not the mud stuck once Winston fired him, and surely the right course of action would have been to resign and sort things out. That’s more what I was meaning.

    Really?

    Anyone who Winston throws mud at, making accusations he insists he has evidence of but doesn’t produce it, should roll over and resign and sort things out? How do you sort things out with an apparent serial liar?

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  20. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    BlairM – yes, I shouldn’t fault him for having a go – two (genuine) thumbs up and a big gold star for that.

    But already it sounds like a party I can’t get too excited about, and it’s not even a party yet.
    Hitherto-unknown, formerly C-list Winston First list MP goes out on his own, in a party that stands for whatever people want it to stand for….

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  21. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Pollies who won’t say what they’re for, could do anything. Or do absolutely nothing.

    Pollies who say what they’re for, could do anything. Or do absolutely nothing.

    Pledging to represent your electorate doesn’t preclude you from saying what you are for and demonstrating how competent you are. Some MPs do that now.

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  22. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    That is of course putting aside the fact he is a dick, an obvious trougher, and stood for Narcissists First.

    I’d have thought you’d have to be the complete polar opposite of a narcissist, to get involved with Winston First, and spend your days kowtowing, bowing & scraping, and prostrating yourself before the Great Leader nickb!

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  23. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Manolo said

    I hope he spends thousands of dollars setting it up and campaigning just to get a few hundred votes. A bloody joke.

    You’re right Manolo, but the probability is that it will be OUR tax dollars that Horan spends. So the joke’s on us, yet again.

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  24. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Good on Horan.

    I suggest he names the new Party the “Fuck You Winston Party”

    On the basis of that name alone he would get thousands of votes.

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  25. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Anyone who Winston throws mud at, making accusations he insists he has evidence of but doesn’t produce it, should roll over and resign and sort things out? How do you sort things out with an apparent serial liar?

    Of course not, but its different when Winston is your boss and fires you….

    Tough situation I suppose but IMO Horan didn’t have a moral mandate to remain in Parliament when he was sacked. A list MP in a party where the votes are cast for one man only.

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  26. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I wonder if this is all just ploy to enlarge his trough? Does anyone know if he can get leader’s funding etc if he just sets up a party now? Or does he have to be elected as party leader in a fresh election to qualify?

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  27. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock.
    How would he get his hands on tax payers funds?
    He is an independant MP and with just 9 (?) months to run till election to get a Leaders perks he would need to start a party and get 500 signed up and verified, same hoops to jump thru as UF went thru last year. It took UF quite a while even with sgnificant infrastructure already in place, cant see Horan doing it in time.

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  28. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    when Winston is your boss and fires you….

    So you’re saying that Winston should have sole say over any MP in NZ First? Should that apply to any party leader?

    Peters is not actually a boss (and bosses are required to follow reasonable procedures) and Horan wasn’t fired. Peters expelled him from the party, Horan wasn’t informed until Peters made the announcement in Parliament.

    I don’t think it did any harm for Horan to stay as an independent MP, the alternative was for him to be replaced by another NZ First list MP. Peters didn’t deserve that degree of authoritarian success, better for Horan to remain and keep reminding Peters what an arsehole he was.

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  29. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    From my admittedly fuzzy memory I thought while there was a case for deeper investigation, the cost of said investigation would have been prohibitive & the only winners would’ve been the lawyers who’d have sucked any remaining money out of the estate.

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  30. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Early this morning I posted the following in the GD.

    Many here seem to agree, but some folk are so bitter and twisted (over nothing obvious) that they invent all sorts of shit, like calling Horan “a disgraced independent”: and raising garbage about “leaders funds”.
    Anyway..
    I see no reason to improve on the following:

    *** flipper (3,001 comments) says:

    January 15th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Lance (2,210 comments) says:

    January 15th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Brendan Horan cleared!

    This is just too much fun.
    Squirm away Whinny… ha ha ha ha……
    ****

    Thanks for that heads up Lance.

    Mabey makes a compelling case for Horan. As a consequence, there are many in the media, including this commenting in blog, who jumped to conclusions.
    But the most important message from this will be missed/ignored, even if it is noticed, by the MSM: That there is very, very little, if anything, said by Peters that can be accepted at face value, and that 99 % is certain to be a lie.

    As with the Dunne/Vance fiasco, Peters is now, once again, shown to be a liar.

    The surprise is that so many believed him.

    Declaration of Interest:
    I have no connection with Horan, do not know him, have never met him, and treat Peters, and the NZ First Party, with the contempt they deserve.
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    AFTER-THOUGHT….
    Wonder whether Horan would have grounds to raise a breech of privilege complaint against Peters??????

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  31. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Flipper, why is it “garbage” to raise issues of Horan wanting to form a one man party?
    Horan would get about $40K more as a leader of a party plus related allowances.
    Its a lot of my taxes!

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  32. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Ian Hassle was scathing of media coversge of Colin Craig and his views on smacking (there shouldn’t be any). That is pretty much the deal for NZ First. Look however how things are changing in Britain and elsewhere and media bias is being exposed.

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  33. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Do you really Peters care a f..k about Horan or anybody else but himself.
    Poor old drunken fool.
    Get thee gone old fool.
    You are well past your use by date.

    PS. pay back the $148,000 you stole from Taxpayers first – yea – liar.

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  34. projectman (224 comments) says:

    DPF you said (in re-quoting yourself) that “On the basis of what is known, I actually think Peters was right to take action against Horan.”

    No he wasn’t. He appeared to act solely on the basis of hearsay, now shown to be without substance.

    Horan has been cleared by this report. Even if Peters only made comments within the House (as he is usually careful to do) he appears to have defamed Horan who has no redress for defamatory comments made within the proection of Parliament. But who is surprised by such actions?

    Tomorrow’s billboard: “I’m sorry for my comments Brendan. They were unfounded, and I unreservedly apologise – Winston”.

    Yeah right!

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  35. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    RRM says:

    it’s going to be an independent coalition and those independent MPs would be directly accountable to the electorate that votes them in.

    Because while United Future chooses to sit on the fence; we’ll go absolutely anywhere the wind blows us

    Erm, don’t you mean “we’ll go anywhere the people whom we represent instruct us to”? You’d prefer the present system, whereby MPs (many effectively ‘elected’ only by a small cabal of party list rankers) do as they damn well please, and present us with Hobson’s choice once every three years and call that “having a say” in the future of our country?

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  36. lazza (381 comments) says:

    Quote … “the present system, whereby MPs (many effectively ‘elected’ only by a small cabal of party list rankers) do as they damn well please, and present us with Hobson’s choice once every three years”.

    Right On! Batman.

    SUCKS EHH?

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  37. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    All the fucks that are given could you line up over there please.

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  38. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    I am guessing there might be something else going on between him and Winston and the family problems with the mothers’ estate provided Winston with the cover he needed.

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  39. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    My guess is Horan wanted to have a say and Peters held up his sign.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/winstonno.jpg

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