Lost 37 pounds in 3 months from a McDonalds only diet

January 7th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Buzzfeed reports:

John Cisna, a science teacher in Ankeny, Iowa, enlisted his students help him with an experiment: He wanted to see what happened if he only ate McDonald’s for three months.

Inspired by Super Size Me, Cisna planned to put together an amateur documentary about the process, KCCI reports.

Following a strict 2,000-calorie diet, Cisna’s students constructed meals for him using McDonald’s online nutritional information.

 They also tried to stay close to the recommended dietary allowances for carbohydrates, fat, proteins, and cholesterol.

Cisna didn’t heavily restrict himself; a typical breakfast would be two egg white McMuffins and a bowl of maple oatmeal, lunch would be salad, and dinner would be a value meal — like a cheeseburger and fries.

“So this isn’t something where you say ‘well he went to McDonald’s and he only had the salads’,” he said. “No, I had the Big Macs, the quarter pounders with cheese. I had sundaes, I had ice cream cones.”

In addition to watching his caloric intake, Cisna also began walking 45 minutes a day. …

When the experiment was over, Cisna had lost 37 pounds and brought his cholesterol down to 170 from 249.

His low-density lipoprotein, known as ‘bad cholesterol’, also dropped from 173 to 113. …

He added: “We all have choices. It’s our choices that make us fat, not McDonald’s.”

A useful experiment that dispels some of the hysteria over fast food. As Cisan said, it is your choices that make you fat, not .

The walking he did every day would have accounted for only five pounds of the 37 pounds he lost. The reality is you can eat pretty much any food you want, so long as you keep portion sizes appropriate and you keep under the recommended daily intakes for calories, sugars, fats, carbs etc.

The well known super size me documentary had someone eating 5,000 calories a day of McDonalds food. If you ate 5,000 calories a day of any food, you’d gain weight.

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77 Responses to “Lost 37 pounds in 3 months from a McDonalds only diet”

  1. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    Yeah, but this doesn’t prove much apart from the quantity you eat matters, which is obvious.

    It ignores other significant issues, like losing weight doesn’t mean it’s a healthy diet.

    And in particular, while an individual’s choices ultimately matter fast food outlets like MacDonalds try very hard through marketing to get you to buy more and eat more, to upsize. And they’re successful at heavily influencing many people’s choices.

    So MacDonalds and other marketers of highly processed and packaged foods that are often based on fats and sugars and are unhealthy in the quantities that they implore people to eat can’t escape some of the responsibility for an obesity epidemic. Plus the high levels of packaging that add to our trash mountains and are significant contributors to litter.

    Many people are easily cajoled and coerced into bad eating habits, and companies like MacDonalds very deliberately prey on those human weaknesses.

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Wait for the comments from University of Otago “academics”, the ultimate wowsers and control-freaks.

    Many people are easily cajoled and coerced into bad eating habits, and companies like MacDonalds very deliberately prey on those human weaknesses.

    Darwin is alive and well.

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  3. Odakyu-sen (568 comments) says:

    “Many people are easily cajoled and coerced into bad eating habits, and companies like MacDonalds very deliberately prey on those human weaknesses.”

    It’s called “sales promotion.” It’s what companies do. Welcome to the jungle of the “free market.”

    People have to take responsibility for the decisions that they make. The alternative is to make their decisions for them. Sure, you might think you’re doing the right thing by limiting peoples’ choices, but in the long term you’ll make them weaker and more irresponsible.

    Do you treat others like children (because you know what’s best for them), or do you leave them to make their own decisions (and suffer the consequences)?

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  4. berend (1,699 comments) says:

    DPF: The well known super size me documentary had someone eating 5,000 calories a day of McDonalds food. If you ate 5,000 calories a day of any food, you’d gain weight.

    And no one has ever been able to get the food log of Mr Super Size Me. What did he eat? Eating 5,000 calories a day is not easy. Even with at McDonalds.

    PS: if you haven’t see it, see Fat Heads. Its funnier, and more enlightening.

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  5. SGA (982 comments) says:

    Wow. So this guy restricted himself to 2000 calories a day, started walking 45 minutes a day and he lost weight. Amazing.

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  6. slightlyrighty (2,506 comments) says:

    That is why the hysteria over obesity is such nonsense. Every time someone mentions the “Obesity Epidemic”, I wonder how it is that one seems to be able to catch obesity.

    Obesity is not a disease, but the effects of a lifestyle choice.

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  7. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    So MacDonalds and other marketers of highly processed and packaged foods that are often based on fats and sugars and are unhealthy in the quantities that they implore people to eat can’t escape some of the responsibility for an obesity epidemic. Plus the high levels of packaging that add to our trash mountains and are significant contributors to litter.

    The haughtiness and sanctimony are vomit-inducing. Pass the bucket, please.

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  8. itstricky (1,766 comments) says:

    People have to take responsibility for the decisions that they make. The alternative is to make their decisions for them.

    Thank goodness you have a register of all the evil companies who put evil stuff, magic in their food and evily exploit the rules and you can share that with everybody, right?

    I mean, right now you could be eating fruit containing some pretty nasty pestisides – but that’s your choice right – you made it – you have to live with the consequences.

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  9. Mobile Michael (440 comments) says:

    I’d do anything to lose weight. Except eating less and exercising more, obviously.

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  10. itstricky (1,766 comments) says:

    The haughtiness and sanctimony are vomit-inducing. Pass the bucket, please.

    Ridiciously funny given some of the one-liners you post here. Here’s an example:

    Fire and sack the child molesters of the mind (unionist teachers) and set education free.

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  11. Exclamation Mark (85 comments) says:

    Many people are easily cajoled and coerced into bad eating habits, and companies like MacDonalds very deliberately prey on those human weaknesses.

    What absolute rubbish Pete. Who is coercing people into bad eating habits? Where is this happening?

    You could argue that children are forced to eat what their parents give them but that is hardly the fault of “MacDonalds” – it’s piss poor parenting and you would get the same result if parents only feed their kids homemade fry-ups.

    I’d love for you to show us just one example of an adult being coerced into eating poorly.

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  12. J Bloggs (200 comments) says:

    I remember when “Supersize me” came out. I remember the advertising blitz McDonalds put when the movie was screened on TV. I also remember the explosion in the range of “Healthy” options that suddenly appeared and which have remained on the McDonalds menu after that movie was made. I can’t remember salads being advertised for sale on the McDonalds in-store or TV ads prior to “Supersize me” (I’ll accept they may have been on the menu, but I can’t remember them being promoted).

    Supersize me – for all its flaws and critics – did result in McDonalds (and quite possibly other fastfood outlets) making changes to their menus to include more healthier options. It’d would have been a lot more difficult to have eaten only McD’s prior to Supersize Me and achieved the result of this experiment

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  13. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    I’d love for you to show us just one example of an adult being coerced into eating poorly.

    MacDonalds used to run commercials telling kids that if their parents went out on Saturday night they deserved to be taken to MacDonalds for breakfast. The persuasive powers of kids can be strong and the advertising was playing on this, as it often does.

    Marketing often uses coercive techniques manipulating human weaknesses like guilt, peer pressure and child nagging, as well as totally false claims – tobacco was a prime example but it frequently happens. I don’t ‘deserve” to plaster my skin with expensive crap to supposedly make myself younger.

    If we had a totally free commercial environment our society would suffer far more than it does now from introduced and coerced negative behaviours.

    Theoretically pure socialism and pure liberalism would work fine. They don’t work in practice.

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  14. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Theoretically pure socialism and pure liberalism would work fine. They don’t work in practice.

    And the sensible, straddling-the-fence, middle-of-the-road solution is?

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  15. SGA (982 comments) says:

    berend at 7:36 am

    Eating 5,000 calories a day is not easy. Even with at McDonalds.

    Not so sure. As a start – one big mac, one large fries, and one large coke, times three meals a day would get you to about 4000 calories. No axe to grind, just saying.

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  16. Bullitt (138 comments) says:

    That would suggest a big mac large combo is around 1,300 calories so youd have to have four of them. I wouldnt feel like having a large big mac combo for breakfast (given its not even on the breakfast menu) let alone finding time to fit a fourth superfluous meal into a day. If you were doing that you’re clearly not trying to lose weight/eat healthy.

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  17. Exclamation Mark (85 comments) says:

    I don’t see any coercion in your example – no one is forcing anyone to to do something bad against their own will. Offering inducments such as more food for less money or a free toy might be manipultive but it isn’t coercion.

    When did these “MacDonalds” commercials about taking kids for breafast appear on TV? Even assuming this wasn’t in the distant past – was it manipulative? Sure, but it isn’t coercion, no one is forced to do anything – it’s hyperbole on your part.

    I don’t ‘deserve” to plaster my skin with expensive crap to supposedly make myself younger.
    Just as well no one is forcing you to then.

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  18. Odakyu-sen (568 comments) says:

    “And the sensible, straddling-the-fence, middle-of-the-road solution is?”

    It’s a dynamic solution, i.e., a pendulum that swings from one side to the other, depending on the actual situation. Basically, when the ordinary man feels that things have gone too far one way, he will take action, in one way or another. It’s human nature to do so.

    (What was that about boiling frogs…? (or was that the Mac “Eat French” promotion?) (I forget.))

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  19. Andrei (2,537 comments) says:

    Let’s get real here the crime that McDonalds commits is not the food it sells but that it is a successful business succeeding in a free market and thus is loathsome to the usual suspects.

    Tobacco provided the prototype for left wing ninnies to use big government to interfere in private business on “public health” grounds.

    The thing about control freaks is that they are dreary people who want to make everybody’s life as dreary as their own

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  20. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    Sorry, still prefer Subways. I’m not into hamburgers, never have been. Moreover, I prefer (gasp) red meat, either salami or ham, with lashings of healthy lettuce, carrot, capsicums, red onion and sweet chili sauce, preferably on Italian herbs and cheese bread. Preferably footlong. Mmmmm. Drool.

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  21. Dave Mann (1,200 comments) says:

    MacDonalds and other marketers of highly processed and packaged foods… blah blah

    Honestly PG, grow up. How the fuck do you think the world’s population would enjoy the standard of comfort, health and nutrition that it does without these advances in food production?

    For literally tens of thousands of years mankind (to use a politically incorrect term) has struggled to get enough to eat, with whole populations literally dying out due to famine and the average Joe seaching desperately for enough food on a daily basis (for the average Joanna to cook). Now thanks to modern science we have almost more food than we can eat. For this we should be amazed and thankful. Stop sneering and think about it.

    (p.s. This goes also for the ‘fossil fuels’ debate and the ‘evil drug companies’ too. It really is about time people started to fucking well think rather than just mindlessly parrot greeny bullshit.

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  22. berend (1,699 comments) says:

    Pete: MacDonalds used to run commercials telling kids that if their parents went out on Saturday night they deserved to be taken to MacDonalds for breakfast.

    I’ve never seen those Pete. Ah, right, got it! You let your kids watch TV commercials!!!! I have one simple solution for this problem Pete: just throw out the TV.

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  23. MrTips (150 comments) says:

    Good for Mr Cisna
    But I would respectfully suggest he wasn’t eating food.

    On what planet is Macca’s classed as food?

    Blech.

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  24. Ashley Schaeffer (457 comments) says:

    While I agree that for most it is our choices that make us fat, not McDonalds, I still stay, don’t eat McDonalds. Because it’s shit food. Some time ago, my family made the decision to only eat McDonalds once every 2-3 months as a treat, but we found that after regularly eating genuinely healthy food – fresh fruit and vegetables with small quantities of meat – McDonalds just doesn’t satisfy. It’s no longer a treat in our house, it’s no longer even desired.

    My wife makes homemade burgers on occasion for the kids. Much tastier and we know exactly what’s going into them. We don’t do KFC either – too greasy. Instead we do a roast chicken with veges galore once a week. Yum yum. Not saying that my diet is perfect but who really needs fast food? I’m not saying ban it or regulate it. Just don’t eat it. My main dietary vices these days are chocolate and sodas, although one of my 2014 new year’s resolutions is to knock the sodas on the head. Can’t see me ever quitting the chocolate.

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  25. stu-tron (45 comments) says:

    Berend has already mentioned it but the FatHead documentary is fascinating – it is a counter to supersize me and logically de-bunks many of the aspects of the supersize me doco including the claims of calorie intake. The FatHead guy basically does the same thing as this guy from Iowa, only eats from fast food joints but uses his head and makes smart decisions and his numbers also improve.

    The Fathead doco though also then goes into the food industry and lobbying within US polictis form industries such as breads and cereal makers etc and the heart foundation, it’s really quite a good way to get both sides of the story if you liked supersize me.
    http://www.fathead-movie.com

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  26. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    “Moreover, I prefer (gasp) red meat, either salami ”

    heh.’.snort snigger ‘…

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  27. Nigel Kearney (969 comments) says:

    >Many people are easily cajoled and coerced into bad eating habits, and companies like MacDonalds
    >very deliberately prey on those human weaknesses.

    You have it backwards. Some people are inclined to overeat, and it’s not surprising if they choose to do so by consuming the products with the best marketing campaigns. However there is very little evidence that the existence of McDonalds increases the total number of calories people eat.

    Also, if you have learned to avoid high calorie foods because you don’t want to suffer the consequences of getting fat, then that process of reasoning and thinking ahead is applicable to many other situations. If you avoid those foods because they are expensive due to government slapping a tax on them, you have learned nothing and will just as easily fall victim to the next bad option that comes along.

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  28. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    I very rarely eat Maccas. On the few occasions I do partake I find the sodium overpowering in the burgers…be it the buns or in the meat. I find myself drinking copious amounts of water afterwards.

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  29. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    This story stinks of total horseshit.

    This faggot lost 17kg in three months. Taking in approx 8 370kj and walking 45 mins which would work out at about 4.5km per day.

    Fucking bollocks.

    Noticeably absent is what starting weight this fat fuck started off at. If you usually eat for two, bodyfat 50%, and then choke off the calories then yeah the weight will come down in a hurry. It’s got nothing much to do with the McMofos menu.

    Dodgy dodgy dodgy – the usual.

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  30. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    However there is very little evidence that the existence of McDonalds increases the total number of calories people eat.

    That’s a fair point (presuming there’s very little evidence). But it’s not just McDonalds involved, it’s the whole value-added nutrition-subtracted industry which includes food manufacturers and retailers. Plus the promoters of high sugar level drinks (also a big part of fast food business). Plus others like the promoters of supplements and vitamins sold in expensive and relatively ineffective forms.

    Some of the biggest business opportunities are in selling things we don’t need and processed to reduce their natural benefits, and the quantities consumed are bad for many people.

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  31. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    Dirty Harry, that’s very vulgar Freudianism ;)

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  32. kiwi in america (2,495 comments) says:

    Left Right Centre
    Calm down and just look at the article – the guy looks to be 270 lb (120 kg) and drops to what looks like 230 lb or 105 kg. He’s still a big lad but they have been pretty transparent with the experiment filming as they go.

    You can eat a more balanced menu of 2000 calories from McDonalds if you choose to.

    Losing weight is simple. Its calories in/calories out and balancing the two around or below the optimal calorie intake for your age, sex and weight. Its about the quality of the food tending more towards food in its natural state and less towards processed food and its portion control and not banning anything or going on faddish diets. Its not rocket science. McDonalds can be a part of that balance.

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  33. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Some of the biggest business opportunities are in selling things we don’t need and processed to reduce their natural benefits, and the quantities consumed are bad for many people.

    @P.G.: The question remains: Who are we tell people what to do, even if some of them do not realise excessive consumption is bad for their health?

    Remember we are not talking children here, but consenting adults. Live and let live (and pay for the consequences of your own excesses).

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  34. labrator (1,893 comments) says:

    Following a strict 2,000-calorie diet… …Cisna didn’t heavily restrict himself;

    Not sure how the author aligned that one in their head.

    It also completely fails to mention how admirably McDonalds reacted to criticisms of its’ menu from movies such as Supersize Me. Many of the menu options that he has chosen did not exist 10 years ago. So congratulations to McDonalds on being a modern global corporate who do plenty of social good as well.

    Would love to see a follow up on how well he’d do eating whole foods though.

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  35. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    Transparency would be giving the person’s starting weight. You’re playing guess weight you dick. If big means obese – sure. Defcon 4 obesity down to defcon 2. Well done.

    CICO – really ? Because I’m a total moron you fuckwit.

    Is that why there’s no difference between the energy value of protein and carbohydrate ? Can you tell everyone what’s wrong with that sentence ?

    Yes – losing weight – the concept itself – is simple. And more so for obigarse blobs that can create a mother of a calorie deficit without really having to get off their planet sized backsides.

    37 pounds is around 17kg btw.

    And the second half of your comment is about as satisfying as a day old cold McDicks hamburger. More like hot waffle with cheese.

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  36. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    Remember we are not talking children here, but consenting adults. Live and let live (and pay for the consequences of your own excesses).

    :) Consenting adults ? That sounds like people are fucking the hamburgers….. or something dodgeville. Hambugger ?

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  37. OneTrack (2,970 comments) says:

    “Let’s get real here the crime that McDonalds commits is not the food it sells but that it is a successful business succeeding in a free market and thus is loathsome to the usual suspects.”

    It’s worse than that. It’s also headquartered in America.

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  38. greenjacket (451 comments) says:

    Pete George wrote: “MacDonalds and other marketers of highly processed and packaged foods that are often based on fats and sugars”
    “nutrition-subtracted industry which includes food manufacturers and retailers”

    Pete: I work in a business that sells ingredient to MacDonalds. I am familiar with the ingredients MacDonalds uses (and their intensive auditing to ensure ingredient quality and hygiene). I am completely befuddled at your claims that MacDonalds have “nutrition-subtracted” food.
    Generally, Pete, you are usually a voice of moderation on this blog – but in this case you are peddling outright falsehoods.

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  39. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    Interesting thread.

    LR & C. Try to accept that not everyone is exactly like you for just one minute. 2000 cals and a walk would do the job for most men. The walk should burn 300 cals. So he would be in deficit of around 6 – 800 a day. Perfect.

    Berend. 5000 cals on maccas would be a doddle if you went at it which Spurlock (sp?) certianly did. His main point was the supersized softdrinks of around a litre. approx 1000 cals just in the coke per meal!

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  40. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Generally, Pete, you are usually a voice of moderation dull beige and boring gray on this blog…

    @greenjacket: Minor correction. :-)

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  41. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    I love Maccas at certian times. Often if I come out from a hunting trip Maccas is top of the list. Cheese burgers and salty fries. Dog gets a cheese burger too after its cooled :-)

    If I want a burger after a few beers it wouldnt be a Maccas now. We have Carl Jrs in town and they are very very good! $$ tho.

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  42. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    @Colville: I’m glad to hear civilisation (Carls Jr’s) has reached the utmost frontier: Palmie!

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  43. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    It’s a total set-up. Think about it. To maintain weight at obesity level – dietary intake must be a lot higher than 8 400kj per day.

    So for the experiment – science teacher is able to radically and instantly adapt his mental and emotional relationship with food – at the click of his fingers. He’s instantly happy to crash from a high energy intake to that of a man around 70-80kg. That’s some mental adjustment in an instant.

    On McDonalds food you’d be hungry. The stomach filling capacity to food energy ratio of most of the menu is rubbish. It’s hard to picture this bloke casually and easily going from his previous lifestyle to one so drastically different and severe. It sounds like hell on earth to me. You eat one Big Mac and it’s 2 300kj out of 8 400 for the day. Add medium fries and a drink and you’re looking at 4 730kj – up over half of what you’re allowed for the day. More than half your daily food energy budget in one meal ?

    Seems to me too many constraints to tick all the energy intake and nutrition boxes as well as having to live with the options you have to take to achieve it. It would not be fun and would be a real challenge you would think. I’m squirming just thinking about it. Most people I reckon wouldn’t be able to do it – how or why this bloke did it, who knows. But don’t try to make it sound like it was easy or nothing out of the ordinary and any pleb could do it. Rubbish. It took some kind of freakish mental endurance.

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  44. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    My son and I went on holiday to USA soon after SupersizeMe came out (we both watched it) and one thing on the bucket list was to go to a Maccas and try out some of the USA only stuff they sell. I had a bacon quaterpounder meal which was two of the most greasy tasty burgers (2 of them in the one meal with fries) I have ever eaten. With a chocolate shake. Not a MILK shake just a “shake”

    In USA at the time (dunno if it has changed) they couldnt call the shakes “milk” shakes coz they were thickened with chicken fat and not considered a milkshake which is thickend with dairy.

    Wonderfully tasty and creamy and HUGE.

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  45. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    I can’t wait for the dumbarse prick ‘The Scone’ to turn up with the usual preaching on a food thread about carbs being evil. This would be the wrong food thread for you Scone. It blows your nonsense right out of the fucking water. For the most part a calorie is a calorie.

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  46. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    Manolo.
    Thanks :-)
    We just need a Moore Wilsons now and we will be perfect !

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    colville – you’re wrong. He lost weight because being obese to start with means it’s easier to create an energy deficit. It wouldn’t work for ‘most men’. Men at different bodyfat percentages would require different levels of diet and/or exercise to achieve the same result.

    Not everyone is exactly like myself. That’s fairly fucking obvious, isn’t it ? You’re wrong about that too. You’re estimating the deficit. No-one knows his starting weight and even then. It’s an estimate. So there’s a good chance you’ve got that wrong. Get something right mate – ffs – save us all.

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  48. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    Generally, Pete, you are usually a voice of moderation vomit on this blog – but in this case as usual you are a knob peddling outright falsehoods.

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  49. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    greenjacket – I wasn’t just referring to McDonalds. In general the more processed food is the more it loses it’s natural nutrition. Plus the easier it is to digest and put on weight.

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  50. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    L,R & C- I have never met anyone as passionate about running and weightloss! Perhaps you should have your own ‘Biggest loser’ style reality show?
    You could scream abuse at us bigger fellas as we plod away on the treadmill munching quarter pounders….

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  51. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    LR & C.

    Get your hand off your knob for a moment will you?

    How will someone be able to lose 37 fucking pounds unless they have 37 fucking pounds of fat to lose? chop off a leg?

    Yes its easier because he is heavy but that is exactly the point. Everyone knows as you get lighter the weight is harder to shift, diminishing returns and all the shit.

    But I stand by the fact that for most men who have a bit to Xmas weight to drop 2000 cals and a walk a day would shift it. Unless obviously you are a 75 kg stick to start with.

    Have a nice day. :-)

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  52. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    LK – I like the idea of anything where I get to scream abuse at people….. hahahahahaha

    Treadmills are second best. They’d be on the street walking or jogging. The quarter pounder better be damned good because it would be followed by about 7kms covered to balance the energy equation.

    From your self-description I might actually swap with ya buddy. Nothing wrong with being built like a bouncer. I’m not naturally large-framed and I’ve have to bodybuild my arse off – really ? Nah – not doing that.

    Here’s some people who make my running efforts look like I hardly ever do it:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/9567005/365-marathons-in-365-days

    Freaks – fucking freakathon. 42.4kms per day. I managed 11km per day for all of 2013. These old fucks are beyond description.

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  53. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    colville – every day is a nice day if you’re ripped.

    You’re wrong again. You can lose muscle and tissue as well as fat. Ever read about famine victims and POWs ? Fuck you’re pathetic clinging to some shitty bullshit answers you fuckin loser !! Wrong – again. Dick.

    Fuckin USA McDonalds on your bucket list ? Really mate ? On your bucketlist should be ‘acquire some intelligence to produce a worthwhile fuckin bucketlist’.

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  54. wf (415 comments) says:

    Yum! I’m with Colville on this one.

    I have a quarter-pounder meal with a chocolate shake when I go to Taupo, maybe once a fortnight . My dog has most of the fries.
    We might also have a Subway to eat by the side of the lake on the way home. Dog swims.

    I do endurance horse riding and always call in at the nearest McDonalds on the way home from a ride. Easiest way to lose weight is to ride 60ks (or more) on the trot. It’s a full body workout – you’ll never see a fat endurance rider.

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  55. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    But I stand by the fact that for most men who have a bit to Xmas weight to drop 2000 cals and a walk a day would shift it. Unless obviously you are a 75 kg stick to start with.

    37 pounds of ‘xmas weight’ ? What’s ‘xmas weight’ got to do with anything ? That’s off topic bullshit. What’s that got to do with anything ? The assumption would be that it is inferred that ‘most men’ could achieve the same results as the science teacher by doing the same thing. If that’s not what is inferred – it’s poor communication. People shouldn’t have to fuck around asking you what on earth it is you’re bleating on about playing twenty fucking questions to get anywhere, eh ? Not if you claim to have more than a solitary lonely braincell and keep coming back like someone who doesn’t think they’re a total moron. Can’t have it both ways.

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  56. greenjacket (451 comments) says:

    Pete George: By “processed food” do you mean “cooking”?
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    Lets look at a McDonald’s burger. The ingredients are a 100% beef meat burger (because of the freezing technique it is more hygenic and doesn’t need extra ingredients to hold it together or stablise it, so it is actually less “processed and certainly more hygienic than burger patties you’d make at home); a bun; lettuce; gherkin; ketchup. Pete George – this has not been “nutrition subtracted”. In fact, it has less “processing” than similar food you’d eat at home.
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    O – and a McDonalds Shake is made up of milk (from a cow) plus corn syrup and a seaweed derived stabiliser, plus the flavouring (which is mostly corn derived). All those people around the world guzzling McDonalds Shakes made out of milk powder – now do you see why Fonterra is doing so well? You can make your own MacDonalds shake at home with vanilla icecream, trim milk, and chocolate flavouring, and blend. McDonalds’ Shakes do not have chicken fat.
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    The primary ingredient in an Apple Pie is…. shock, horror – apples.
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    The problem is that McDonalds food is for many of us, convenient and tasty – so we pig out on it. But that has nothing to do with McDonalds using “nutrition subtracted” articifial foods – quite the opposite.

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  57. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    @greenjacket: Two rules: 1) P.G. is never wrong; 2) If in doubt follow rule 1.

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  58. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    There are few groups of people I like less than food and alcohol Nazis who think it is their right to police what other people choose to consume.

    “Oh, this food is unhealthy and the advertisements are so effective, we should ban it, or at the very least tax it! Think of all the poor, mindless automatons who apparently cannot think for themselves! I like thinking, I’m really good at it, so I’ll happily make their decisions for them. Because only I am rational and free and smart enough to recognize the one true way all 6 billion people on the planet should live.”

    Losers, the lot of them.

    Tip: if you think something is unhealthy, don’t fucking eat it and go on with your life.

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  59. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    The worst part of McDs is the attractive and intelligent personalities of the vast majority of its customers, not the menu.

    McMorons :)

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  60. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    By “processed food” do you mean “cooking”?

    Cooking changes nutrition of food and it makes it easier to digest.

    The primary ingredient in an Apple Pie is…. shock, horror – apples.

    McDonald’s Hot Apple Pie

    Apple, Water, Wheat Flour, Sugar, Vegetable Oil [Palm Oil, Hydrogenated Palm Stearine], Modified Starch (1422, 1442 –
    contains sulphites), Salt, Vegetable Gum (466, 410), Dextrose (contains sulphites), Emulsifiers (471, 472e, Soy Lecithin, 433), Acidity Regulators (330, 331, 300), Cinnamon, Raising Agent (500), Flavour (contains colours (100, 150a, b, c or d)), Preservatives (223, 220), Nutmeg, Antioxidant (306 – from soy), Colour (100, 160b, 160a), Lemon Juice Puree
    Concentrate, Anti-caking Agent (535).
    Contains gluten, sulphites and soy.
    APPLE PIES are produced in a plant that also produces products containing sesame seeds.
    Apple pies are cooked in McDonald’s Vegetable Oil blend and may be cooked in the same vat as products containing egg and / or milk.

    There has to be a bit of processing going on there.

    Cadbury got heavily criticised for using palm oil. McDonalds also uses corn syrup (for example in Ketchup) which is controversial in the US and highly processed:

    Currently, corn syrup is obtained through a multi-step bioprocess. First, the enzyme α-amylase is added to a mixture of corn starch and water. α-amylase is secreted by various species of the bacterium Bacillus; the enzyme is isolated from the liquid in which the bacteria are grown. The enzyme breaks down the starch into oligosaccharides, which are then broken into glucose molecules by adding the enzyme glucoamylase, known also as “γ-amylase”. Glucoamylase is secreted by various species of the fungus Aspergillus; the enzyme is isolated from the liquid in which the fungus is grown. The glucose can then be transformed into fructose by passing the glucose through a column that is loaded with the enzyme D-xylose isomerase, an enzyme that is isolated from the growth medium of any of several bacteria.

    That’s just one ingredient of one condiment.

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  61. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    http://www.thankyourbody.com/mcdonalds-hamburger/

    Ok, that’s Mcdaks US, sure. Lots of added thingimajig ‘ingredients’.

    What about the fish and chicken in Filet O Fish and Chicken McNuggets etc ? That’s got to be at least a bit nasty and dodgy. It tastes good – shit I’d eat anything though.

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  62. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    Coming soon to McClowns in Colorado…..

    It’s the McJoint !! Puff up a reefer, ka-ching – munchies, hel-loooo ?? Yeah, I’ll take four Big Ones to go, sure. Some of those dancing fries and what would you like talking eftpos card ?

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  63. Than (448 comments) says:

    McDonalds also uses corn syrup (for example in Ketchup) which is controversial in the US and highly processed:

    Pete George, you’ve fallen for the classic “di-hydrogen monoxide” trick.

    All the article you quoted is saying is that corn syrup is a corn/water mixture, boiled up until the corn breaks down to become a form of sugar. The article deliberately uses as much gratuitous biological terms as it can (including going off on a couple of irrelevant tangents) in order to worry people, but that’s all the process of making corn syrup is. You could describe the process of brewing beer or boiling up vegetables in equally scary sounding terms if you wanted to.

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  64. SGA (982 comments) says:

    Than at 12:48 pm

    You could describe the process of brewing beer or boiling up vegetables in equally scary sounding terms if you wanted to.

    I once sat beside someone on a plane who distrusted microwave ovens because the food underwent chemical changes as it cooked.

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  65. greenjacket (451 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre:
    The website you cite is Bullshit.

    For example, let’s start with the claim that a burger is from a Concentrated Agricultural Feeding Operation. Presumably, they mean a feedlot, but in NZ the cattle are pasture-raised. Your article then claims “Eat a McDonald’s hamburger and you might be getting a mouth full of antibiotics, hormones, and dangerous bacteria.” A falsehood. It is illegal to present an animal for slaughter for meat that has been treated with HGPs (it is done in the US, though, with no evidence that HGPs are dangerous). If the cattle has been treated with antibiotics the animal must be off the antibiotic for several months before it can be slaughtered for meat (so there is no trace of antibiotic in the system). NZ has an excellent record in keeping the bacteria out of the meat at slaughter, the freezing process in making the burger kills any bacteria that may get on, and McDonalds use cooking temperatures and times which will certainly kill anything that could have gotten onto the burger. The claims you cite are lies.
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    Your source cites the infamous “rat study” of GMOs – which turned out to be bogus!
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    Your source says that the cheese (by definition cheese is processed, from milk, so presumably Pete George doesn’t eat cheese…) uses pasteurisation which is apparently bad because it “kills living enzymes” (or bacteria). It then states that the milk comes from “sick cows in horrific factories”. It is illegal to milk from sick animals, and I am not sure that NZ dairy farms are “horrific factories”.
    .
    Idiots can go onto the internet, find some tin-foil hat wearing website and think it is true (especially if they use scientific terms). Shock – do you know that Coca Cola is mostly hydrogen dioxide?
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    The reality is that McDonalds, BK, etc, use the same ingredients (though usually with higher hygiene standards) that you prepare and eat at home.

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  66. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    The reality is that McDonalds, BK, etc, use the same ingredients (though usually with higher hygiene standards) that you prepare and eat at home.

    The reality is that that is true, if you use ingredients at home that are processed and have many additives.

    do you know that Coca Cola is mostly hydrogen dioxide?

    So anything made mostly of water is safe to consume in any quantities? It’s not the water that’s the potential problem, it’s the additives like sugar (10.6%) and caffeine that too much of can cause problems.

    I’m sure McDonalds products are all safe to consume, so long as you don’t have too much of it. One problem is they do a lot to encourage you to have more. And more.

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  67. Dave Mann (1,200 comments) says:

    Generally, Pete, you are usually a voice of moderation on this blog – but

    Hear hear, greenjacket.

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  68. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    Interesting fat content

    (g/100g):
    Hamburger 8.6
    McChicken 10.5
    Cheeseburger 10.8
    Filet-o-fish 10.8

    Per serve:
    Hamburger 7.9
    McChicken 11.6
    Cheeseburger 17.1
    Filet-o-fish 14.5

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  69. Harriet (4,761 comments) says:

    ShoddyGayGuts# :cool:

    “….Sorry, still prefer Subways. I’m not into hamburgers, never have been. Moreover, I prefer (gasp) red meat, either salami or ham, with lashings of healthy lettuce, carrot, capsicums, red onion and sweet chili sauce, preferably on Italian herbs and cheese bread. Preferably footlong. Mmmmm. Drool….”

    And because you are diabetic. :cool:

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  70. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    The well known super size me documentary had someone eating 5,000 calories a day of McDonalds food. If you ate 5,000 calories a day of any food, you’d gain weight.

    No…you won’t. That’s because different foods have different metabolic reactions in the individual. Its perfectly possible..and has been proven…that you can eat 5000 calories of sat fats and proteins a day and not gain weight or body mass at all. Do the same with 5000 worth of carbs and sugar and you will swell like a balloon. A calorie is NOT a calorie..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2459915/Could-low-fat-diet-make-EVEN-FATTER-As-experts-question-conventional-wisdom-diets-extraordinary-results-mans-experiment.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    Also check out the free film Fathead on Youtube….totally bust’s Super Size Me’s BS….

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  71. wrightingright (148 comments) says:

    There is already a documentary film made in response to the complete nonsense that was Super Size Me, it is called “Fat Head” and they’ve put up the whole movie for free on YouTube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

    I *HIGHLY* recommend watching it!

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  72. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    (1) greenjacket – what’s wrong with you ? Can you fucking read idiot ? It says McDaks US = McDonalds USA. America. I’m saying yeah it’s America, not NZ. *Not NZ*. Are you totally retarded ? Learn to read mate.

    (2) What’s sad and disturbing about The Scone is that this person lurks in the darkness only for food related threads on KB, and then posts some lying nonsense twaddle that no-one is ever going to take seriously. Must scan all the time for food threads for the chance to preach bollocks. Why ? Why the fuck would anyone want to do that ?

    I’ll keep saying it. Scone – you’re a sad weirdo. Put your claims where your mouth is and take in 5 000 calories per day, which is a sky high 21 000kj – whoa. There’s no way you or anyone else could eat that amount of food energy from any source and not gain fat.

    You’re a fucking idiot. 21 000kj with a large % of sat fats ? You are a fucking dangerously stupid idiot. You need to shut the fuck up with your shit, eh ? You’re a fucking screw loose fruit cake dipshit.

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  73. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    LRC…sigh…..still out of date and talking NS huh? Check out my link above….that guy has proved it. Many others are too.

    Eating high sat fat-low carb means that as well as eating the right food for my body type and biology I’m also be default eating a lot less than i used to. I simply can’t eat more…I’m too full already. So its a 1-2 effect…

    I am guessing you work for the sugar industry huh?. Feeling the heat you poison pusher? ;-)

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  74. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    Scone – you’re a fucking idiot. Who are you ? You are weird.

    You’re all talk Scone. The talk is all pathetic false ludicrous nonsense.

    Prove it – eat 21 000kj of saturated fat and protein per day without gaining weight. You can’t do it. You’re an idiot. So shut up idiot.

    I don’t need to push anything. There’s an energy equation. And even a deluded moronic imbecile like you cannot escape it. You are trapped by the energy equation just like every other organism that has ever existed.

    Next you’ll be saying that a saturated fat heavy diet will help you live forever. You’re a fucking child. I reckon you’re mentally ill. You’re Ken Ring. I don’t know why you bother spewing obvious fiction – what a fuckin stupid little internet faggot

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  75. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    LRC

    Just to clear it up you’re not agreeing with The Scorned then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A calorie is not a calorie – so if its not a calorie, what is it? Why are you calling it a calorie if its not a calorie, its its………….bedtime

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  76. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    PEB – calories and kilojoules are a form of measurement (as we all know).

    It’s like saying a kilometre is not a kilometre. But that’s not quite fair because it’s not that easy with food energy.

    Eg: protein and carbohydrate have a face value of approx 17kj per gram. But the thermic effect (the energy cost of digesting a gram of each different nutrient) is around 30% and 10% respectively. So a gram of carbohydrate after the thermic effect leaves a higher energy value than protein. The body also uses them in different ways.

    But The Scone is out of his tiny little mind. He’s rejecting all of mainstream science. Also in previous comments has made all manner of preposterous claims. Excess dietary fat simply ‘passes through the digestive system’ magically, straight out the other end. Oh – I wish it did. Then I could eat as much fat as I could afford and not gain any weight from increased fat stores. Dreaming. There’s no respectable science to back up insane assertions like that. None. Only crackpots. Scone is a total crackpot – with fringe looney-tune dickheads to quote and cite for some of the more seriously fucked up notions.

    He’s right up there with all the other dipshits on the internet – aliens that visit nightly – conspiracy theorists – paranormal investigators….

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  77. labrator (1,893 comments) says:

    do you know that Coca Cola is mostly hydrogen dioxide

    I really hope it isn’t. H2O2 is peroxide! I find dihydrogen monoxide much more to taste.

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