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It’s nice to see a bit of sunlight being thrown on these points.
“Democracy in Decline charts how democracy is being diluted and restricted in five of the world’s oldest democracies – the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand.
James Allan targets four main, interconnected causes of decline – judicial activism, the transformation and growth of international law, the development of supranational organizations, and the presence of undemocratic elites… Allan looks ahead to further deterioration caused by attacks on free speech, intolerant worldviews, internationalization through treaties and conventions, and illegal immigration.” http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/conservative_revolution_at_the_bookshop/
The followers of the religion of peace , tolerance and respect for others are at it again. Don’t expect the MSM to make too much of it.That would be “racism” and we can’t have that can we? Nothing to see here,move along please.
Further to a post by DPF – NZ First youth wing head under investigation – Brendan Horan raised an issue in Question Time yesterday about the alleged use of false (Fred Dagg?) name by the Dirtector of Operations in Winston Peters’ office.
Brendan Horan: Would the Prime Minister think there would be transparency in an entity submitting multiple Official Information Act requests in a made-up name, such as, for example, Bruce Bayliss, and does he think such a practice would be transparent enough for a political party research unit?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY: I have no evidence to support that Mr Bayliss is putting in Official Information Act requests under a pseudonym or false name, but I am aware that Mr Bayliss is associated with, and works for, New Zealand First.
Peters tabled a list of NZ First staff members but this failed to address the use of a false name.
Ironically Peters complained about this “a tendency to get up and ask a supplementary question that has nothing to do with the primary question” but his original question was all about transparency. Winston Peters and transparency are about as un-alike as Winston Peters and Fredd Dagg.
Just heard the old tusker King on the ZB Mike Hosking show. Hosking & Joyce had her on the ropes about recent comments made by the Silent T & Goof concerning JKs attempts to sort out Labours mess dating back to 2001. She was like a bloody turkey gobbling and gabbling on. The Silent T will not be pleased with her performance. Hosking also gave her stick about Labour getting into Bed with the Greens and Dot com.
Both the Greens and Labour would sell their grandmothers to get onto the treasury benches later this year. A very dangerous combination and one that decent Kiwis will want to avoid.
So the Greens new best friend seems to be that fat slug of a German…(whose face seems to be on every bus in Auckland)
I just want to know if they plan to ‘redistribute’ his wealth like they do with all the rest of us ‘Rich Pricks’?
Or is Dotcom somehow exempt from their Socialist plans?
Dot Con is so keen to avoid extradition to face criminal charges that he will happily bankroll the Greens who have promised to block his possible extradition. I am sure that Dot Con will mange to break some electoral rule due to stupidity and ego. This could end up really hurting the dirty Greens.
A group lobbying for a return to a 10-year passport claims New Zealand passports are more expensive per year than most other comparable countries and the fee has become a simple revenue-gathering exercise.
It should be remembered the 5-year passport was implemented by the useless trougher Maurice Williamson.
read today in NYT that the current freeze in the northern hemisphere to justify skeptics of global warming is actually not as severe as previous winters … but of course the NYT is left wing rubbish as we all know.
Is it alright for a gay advocacy group to appropriate the Olympics and Bob Sleding/Luging, simulating male sex?
Why when gay groups promote themselves do they always focus on sex? (Is it because “being gay” is really just another form of human sex, and does that warrant a new gender definition (LGBTiQ); and contrive a whole separate ‘culture’?)
Rob Salmond at Polity (reposted at The Standard) has warned opposition parties about associating with Dotcom – “it all sounds pretty icky”.
Is it too late? Norman seems to be already stuck in icky. Peters is ducking for cover but reeks of icky. And Cunliffe and Labour could already be pretty icky too.
Associating with Dotcom has been bad for John Banks, Martyn Bradbury (that could also have been bad for Dotcom), and Alistair Thompson. I don’t know who else may have slunk off hoping for any association to be unseen.
dirty harry – I thought the old MOT Traffic Cops did that as a matter of course, so what’s new? Anyway if the Police stop a car foe speeding etc, surely they would check further where the car looks dodgy.
Its the old story peterwn…give ’em an inch..next it will be checking the entire car and occupants without a warrant ” as a matter of course “…see the first post of the day by EAD…ominous.
My car is safe..always has a warrant and rego..I drive within the limit etc blah blah.
I want to go about my daily business unimpeded without some snot nose jack boot wearing asshole interfering in my day.
Ever wanted to ask Winston Peters a question? He’s doing an online Q+A at 4pm today, so here’s your chance. I’ve come up with a few already, but there are bound to be plenty more about all manner of things; scampi, Owen Glenn, Free Trade Agreements, Chinese restaurants on Dominion Road; the sky’s the limit. There’s no guarantees that you’ll get answers though…
@ Colville – we want to win this test. A two-nil series win takes New Zealand up to #7 in the ICC test match rankings, and drops India to #3. It would also be great to send the Indian’s home with just a solitary tie to show for seven matches of cricket against a team ranked well below them.
And given that I’m planning on being at the Basin on Sunday and Monday (and at the ‘Nix match on Sunday evening), I say “rain, rain, go away”!
Good discussion on the social engineering processes and techniques underlying the gay movement that outlines how society is played like a violin and very useful for that purpose alone regardless of the subject matter if you don’t understand how society is engineered.
I’m not sure I buy his thesis on the origins of gay attraction in men partly because IMO child abuse also has a lot to do with it but he’s a psychiatrist so presumably he’s done the research. Of course the gay research these days is precisely like the AGW research, whereby the only people who get funding are those with the correct agenda and ‘deniers’ of the approved meme are sidelined via unscientific and carefully designed highly emotive hysteria, which the useful idiots amongst the public swallow whole, precisely as the engineers intend.
BTW, to said useful idiots, my brother who I love deeply is gay, so please don’t waste your time hallucinating I’m against gays. I’m against social engineering because that’s what’s destroying society as we speak in all sorts of social arenas, the gay movement is merely one of them. If you don’t think social engineering exists then ask yourself why its only western nations that have been affected by this movement whereas the rest of the world isn’t. Doesn’t that show you that something is going on here that isn’t going on in the rest of the world? And if you hallucinate that’s because we’re ‘more advanced’ then you’re falling for the ‘human wights’ disguise that all the useful idiots fall for when they look at social engineering, just like they did with the gay marriage hallucination that it was about that.
I think vegetarians (I have several vegetarian friends, one who changed chemically) should be designated a new gender, have separate “human rights,” have a pride promotion day, get public money to market their culture, and be allowed to marry like everyone else. It’s about equality…
“A group lobbying for a return to a 10-year passport claims”
What a pack of loses. $28 yr FFS get a life
If you can afford to travel you can afford $28.
It’s not compulsory to have a passport in NZ
Then we don’t know what the coalition of loses and there pin up boy Dot.con have in their secret agenda.
All_on_Red (799 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 8:06 am
I wonder whether the decline in democracy that James Allen outlines actually reflects current reality or reflects the bias and ideological prejudices of a Conservative blogger. ?
Arguably this age has seen an unprecedented expansion of personal freedoms as exemplified by this and innumerable other blogs both left , center and right !
This also in the context in the age of Terrorism. I think of the huge pressures placed e.g on David Cameron’s government in this respect.But is hasn’t stopped the likes of Pat Condell on the one hand and on the other the (mad )Andy Chowdery trumpeting liberally their severely opposing views.
Does Allan account for the expansion of Gay and rainbow community rights or is that a big negative in his estimation.?
Hopefully he doesn’t take seriously the alleged FEMA camps and Gulags that far right and conspiracy theorist bloggers hysterically rage on about.
“If labour win the election, how quickly might they raise the top tax rate (assuming they will do this as it is what labour does)
And, will labour win the election? ”
(1) Quickly. I would expect the legislation to be passed before Christmas, with the higher rate applying immediately.
(2) How likely? A probability of about 38% according to ipredict which I think is a fair assessment right now. It has been falling for three months but anything could happen in the next few months. So a Labour win is less likely than a National win. However, MMP is yet to deliver its potential for horrors. It is only a matter of time. I think in 50 years historians will look at the 2011 MMP referendum and winder why the country was sleep walking.
He also suggested it would be “responsible” for Dotcom to withdraw plans for his Internet Party, as it could take vital votes away from the Opposition at this year’s election.
“It may be perfectly logical for Mr Dotcom to say ‘ look, if we’re not going to make the 5 percent threshold, the last thing we want to do is by mistake get John Key’s lot returned, just because we took votes off opposition parties’.”
However, Mr Cunliffe did admit he hadn’t spoken with Dotcom about whether that would occur.
“I can assure you that I’ve had absolutely no conversations with Mr Dotcom to that end,” he says.
“I’m figuring out some tax stuff… so, have questions…”
Around 10% of Tax payers pay 70% of the tax
Of the 10% how many Tax payers would be Green/labour/mana/NZF supporters.
Stuff all. The coalition of loses supporters spend their life sucking of the state tit.
And you want the state to pillage more. http://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/goldengooseegg.htm
Cha, that’s right, I’ve posted that confluence several times in the last few months. Most of the US corporate activity is not plant reinvestment but share buyback and that combined with the QE has painted a false picture in the numbers – there is nothing behind them.
Some people are predicting a significant crash much worse than 2007 in Q1 this year. I’m afraid I’m with them but my predictions are normally ahead of time, I was picking 2007 in 2005 for example. But it’s coming no doubt about it and when it does, it’s going to take the global markets with it.
“If labour win the election, how quickly might they raise the top tax rate (assuming they will do this as it is what labour does)”
The legislation is almost certainly already drawn up and will be in parliament in the first week following the election.
Why do you suggest they will only limit it to the top tax rate?
They may be financial imbeciles but I am sure that there must be one of them ( Damian OConner?) who has bought themselves a calculator from the Warehouse and realised that we simply don’t have enough rich pricks to pay for all of David’s promises to the unions, and for all of Russel’s idealist dreams of a communist nirvana. Especially when they realise that some of the current “rich pricks” are actually dairy farmers who the Greens intend to bankrupt – hence the tax revenue will drop.
Expect a redefinition of “rich prick” to $60K early next year when they start running out of money.
“….Why when gay groups promote themselves do they always focus on sex?…”
I’m so very happy for them that they’re proud to have other guys enter their backsides.
That is something that we all should really celebrate and dwell on. I mean, can you imagine if they didn’t come out? Where would you be in your life now? 😎
Rock Hudson was gay, gee, nobody had to know did they? Why do we now need to know who is gay?
Fine, so you’re gay…..what do you want, a bickie? 😎
The gay, transgender, feminism gibberish is all just fingernails on the blackboard now. It’s about time gays started keeping their sexual practices to themselves like all other adults in polite society do, as they are now starting to be seen as just outspoken adolescent buggerers seeking attention; adults with a vanity disorder, or an insecurity.
The rainbow political advocates have now added a further letter to the gender-bending alphabet. it’s now LGBTiQ. ‘i’ stands for “intersex” (whatever that is). Does the ‘Q’ stand for “queens” or “queer” or something else? I can’t keep up. We need a glossary.
the act of having sex with someone via the internet by thinking of it really hard and then yelling INTERSEX! And they’ll lose their virginity without even having to stick their uh-ohs in your woopsie, or vise-versa.
You can do this by sending any kind of computer message via IM, Facebook/Myspace comments, emails, etc. etc. etc.
Computer condoms should be used, so as not to impregnate an Intersexed female, because they will actually give birth to a computer. “….
Now even a Godaddled, moralistic fruitloop like you can enjoy sex…..of a sort.
If New Zealand is to be smokefree by 202o, and the unrevealed TPP does contain the ability for big international corporates to sue for loss of market share due to local legislation changes that disadvantage them, what will it cost for New Zealand to cease the annual manufacture of six billion cigarettes for the Australian market, since it should be illegal for New Zealand to be manufacturing them – not only in bloody plain packaging, but at all – and economically self destructive to stop manufacturing them?
And in fact the bloody Aussies have this up their sleeves – they bring in plain packaging, that becomes Australia’s legal requirement and the dopey New Zealand Petone based manufacturer is the one to physically do it … at what come back?
Some one should ask Cunliffe that, if he is not to busy with Dotcom discussing what to do about the 72 page Grand Jury Indictment by the Courts of East Virginia, which has not been diminished one iota by the FBI inspired Key-stoned mistakes New Zealand Police made in arresting this 6XL German.
Merde! N’est-ce pas assez pour vous donner envie de se mettre à fumer?
You can bet that the Green Labour Party Government will reduce the amount to Aged Superannuitants as they are considered leeches and rich on the rest of the economy.
Of course the age of receipt will got to 67 in a short timescale.
Why was Dalton on board the black boat as a grinder ? he was the biggest and strongest they could find in NZ.
The bloody mind boggles, I would happily take Dalton on in a grinding contest, he was far too old and far too small to be grinding on the black boat.
Why agree to give the yanks a day off racing with NZ 7-1 ahead, Dalton made a cock up there, you never give a sucker an even break
It is a well known fact Labour/Greens are only interested in the younger, loser types, as they secure them votes. They will increase bludging benefits for DPP, dole, etc., reduce and means test old age pensions, as these people are on borrowed time and may not be around to vote for them. There will be many taxes of envy, unfairness for those that have worked and accumulated, businesses will get taxed on turnover, Lotto will be taxed at least 30%, and racing will be screwed to the point that it will not survive.
The Olympics are about sport and sports people… be there for sport only and if you cannot do that
Just reinforces my 10.20 point about it being all about social engineering flash. Such a public opportunity to spread the meme cannot and will not be ignored, lest the useful idiots stop their incessant bleating about their pwecious ‘human wight.’
It’s only a matter of uttering the appropriate incantation and the spirit of redtweeter will be invoked (inevitably stuck in the same groove and without any new material). Alas, he just can’t control himself.
“To sum up, almost everything that Ancient Aliens says about the Annunaki is untrue, which is not surprising considering they copy and pasted almost everything in this section from the books of Zecharia Sitchin.
For more information about Sitchin’s errors in his translations of the Sumerians and Arkaddian texts, I will direct you to the excellent website of doctor Michael Heiser ‘Sitchiniswrong.com’.
Reid (14,809 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 10:20 am
If you don’t think social engineering exists then ask yourself why its only western nations that have been affected by this movement whereas the rest of the world isn’t. Doesn’t that show you that something is going on here that isn’t going on in the rest of the world?
Yet another false dichotomy from Reid
Freedom from religion exists in western nations
Why has Guptill been left out of this 2nd test. Is he a bit suspect against the red ball ?….with him being a right hander, do they still want to persist with the right/ left opening combination ?
Has anyone out there got some ideas ?, because im fucked if i know !~
Maybe he was unavailable……?
Richard you are correct. Not only freedom of religious and non religious belief but the fact is that we live in a secular society a key feature of modernity and Western Culture
Church and other kinds of religious observance are not compulsory anymore and be it that it remains like that.Another feature of the West
But the Conservative party, Harriet and Reid etc might not accept all this .?
I doubt anyone in the Conservative Party, or Harriet and Reid, et al, would want to enforce mandatory religious observance. The only people that want that in NZ are the Maori spiritualists, as far as I can tell.
holy sh*t brother – you’re an example that the dumbing down mission has been thoroughly accomplished. Record highschool grades & university entrants every year and zero interest in currency debasement, political thought/history, corp-cronyism, government waste, increasing fascism and especially our illusion-of-choice politics.
There is no point explaining to you why and how the Roman Empire fell from the greatest civilization to being sacked by the Barbarians because they’d become so progressively dependent on .Gov and were distracted from ever really thinking by Juvenal’s “bread and circuses”, but I’ll leave you with this famous quote to reflect on about the nature of democracy:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
And perhaps my all time favourite about “democracy” written in 1935 by the great H.L. Mencken
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
EAD, as all of we politicos know: “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”
The problem is: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
That’s the problem. And you can see the latter in action every three years here. Where what’s displayed at the box isn’t wisdom but almost childlike naivity at the complete and utter bollocks that the evil ones have spewed forth.
Which is the real problem, because if politicians really were intelligent and genuine we would get good govt after good govt even if the voters had the IQ of a horse (which most do). But they aren’t. So we don’t.
They pretend they are, but they’re not. None of them. None. Repeat, none.
Reid, Homosexual Acts between consenting adults is a victimless crime. Thats the nub of the issue. The Suicide Act was abolished for the same reason. Nothing to do with social engineering and its all to do what is fair and just. Nobody with perhaps the exception of you and Colin Craig etc wants a to return to Church based control and domination.
The people can then be proud and say they’ve finally elected a president who represents the whole country.”….,
Yes, well the arsehole, the philanderer, the idiot son of an arsehole and someone who accepted the Presidential nomination on a stage that looked a lot like the Seat of Satan, doesn’t seem to working very well for them, so perhaps a special needs nominee is just what they need. It couldn’t be any worse, put it that way.
Reid, Homosexual Acts between consenting adults is a victimless crime. Thats the nub of the issue.
Stephie, who gives a shit? That WASN’T what I was talking about in my 10.20 so why don’t you run along and do what I suggested and read what I said, then come back and give us even more of your childish meanderings except this time relevant to what I said. Lest we all think you’re a complete and utter tosser. Although I have to say some people may have already made up their mind on that front, based on your performance to date.
I think the best way to control Politicians in a democracy is the re-introduction of the gold standard enabling us to vote with our money if government starts spending more than they can take in tax.
I think the death penalty for allowing a budget deficit might be a good idea too EAD. We could make it even more amusing by having a CIR on who the Finance Minister had to share a cell with before s/he was executed.
Reid: did you nick the “….five minute conversation with the average voter” quote from me?? Actually that sounds awfully pretentious…I assume you know the Great Winston Churchill said it?? One I could never refer to when an MP!!
Which underlies a lot of the US’ problems. Helped along by social engineering memes that promote it, like the Wolf of Wall Street tale of greed. But what do you expect from the US these days? Disappointing all the useful idiots around the world lap it up though and want to be ‘just like them.’ But not surprising. That’s social engineering for you. Too bad all the useful idiots make it so easy for them.
I assume you know the Great Winston Churchill said it?
Of course I do David, as he also said the other one I put in quotes. That’s why I said “we politicos…” because both are so well known I didn’t think I needed to source it. Perhaps the fact you could never refer to it when an MP is part of the problem. Perhaps if people were in fact told on national media that they are in fact babes in the woods politically, it might prompt a few of them to do something about it. After they got over their outrage.
Reid: although I think he is an odious little man, I agree with Paul Henry when he says that people should have to pass some kind of awareness test to be given a vote…It sticks in my craw that some complete idiot should have the same say in who should govern us as I do… What do you think?
It sticks in my craw that some complete idiot should have the same say in who should govern us as I do
It sticks in my craw too David. The issue with a test is how do you design it in a way that keeps the vote ideologically neutral without disenfranchisement, yet prevents Joe and Jane Sixpack from voting for ‘that fulla’ in between placing their bets at the TAB?
Maybe we need a play Parliament where pretend things happen and the Press Gallery and the lefties all hang out, and the real Parliament where actual things happen. Let’s call it a Star Chamber, like in the movie. I bet Joe and Jane would vote for that, if we managed to shut the lefties and the Press Gallery up for 5 mins.
What is the value we assign to the life of a human being?
When we take a look at how we treat each other as people, it is safe to say that we do not seem to value human beings very much.
In a system based on materialism and the pursuit of “success,” money and power have come to define a human being’s value. Consequently, nothing has inherent worth – everything is just a means to obtaining a desired end and satisfying our seemingly obsessive need for recognition and power.
In the pursuit of these goals, the environment is being destroyed with a fanatical vigor one expects of an adolescent consciousness whose shortsighted impulse for instant gratification leaves it dangerously indifferent to the consequences of its actions; at the same time, countless human lives are sacrificed in wars over resources while financial tyranny waged against the working class in the form of austerity is plunging millions of people into poverty across the globe. Nothing is off limits in corporate capitalism’s suicidal quest for profits.
But, when everything has a price, nothing has inherent value…
do you know which one of your two votes is the most important?
The’re both equally worthless – in my electorate the National, Labour and Green candidates are all in Parliament so it matters not a whit which candidate box you tick
And as for the other it is a choice between the looney left (aka National), the incompetant looney left (Labour), the insane looney left (Green), the walking dead (ACT) and a couple of other no hoper options
That Rolling Stone article I posted above talks about the greed on Wall Street and it says:
Greenspan described his faith in corporate self-interest as the “whole intellectual edifice” guiding modern risk management. This edifice didn’t admit the even theoretical existence of the corporate executive who behaves with capitalistically impure motives, i.e. the executive who treats his publicly-traded corporation like a mobster treats a restaurant, as a mark to be taken over and burgled for personal profit.
But as we all know by now, when business leaders can get paid tens or hundreds of millions upfront for deals that take years to pan out (or not), when personal compensation isn’t tied to the long-term performance of the company, executives will tend to leverage their firms to the hilt in search of short-term profits, and they won’t think twice about zooming past safety thresholds. This is irrational behavior from a corporate perspective, sure, but totally rational from a personal-greed perspective.
For instance, the men who ran Lehman Brothers, or the unit of AIG that sank that company, each walked away with hundreds of millions, rich forever. Angelo Mozilo pulled $132 million out of Countrywide in 2008 alone, even as all the rotten subprime loans he’d written over the years were collapsing and his company was losing $704 million that year.
Ultimately even Greenspan conceded that individual greed trumps corporate greed. “Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder’s equity,” he told the House after the 2008 crash, “are in a state of shocked disbelief.”
So even Alan Greenspan figured this out eventually, but apparently Eric Holder and Barack Obama still haven’t caught on. They decided last year to make a big show of punishing JP Morgan Chase as a symbol of bank corruption, then forgot to punish the actual people who oversaw the bank’s misdeeds. This is a little like trying to rein in a class bully by halving his school’s budget. It doesn’t work. Crimes are committed by people, and justice has to target people, too. Or else the whole thing is a joke, as we found out last week.
This is what politicians do too, and it’s what we need to stop. And voting them out doesn’t cut it. We need a system that will personally punish politicians who make dumb decisions, by hurting them financially, even after they retire. Until we have that, hardly any or even none of them, like the CEOs above, will focus on anything other than their own short-term self-interest: re-election, re-election, re-election, cushy retirement.
Andrei that only leaves the insane loony right ,the Conservatives.?
Garrett, unlike you I think the electorate are lot more saner and cleverer than you take them to be.
That thought is more preferable than your patronizing and condescending hum bug.
Know the PM’s name.?
Maybe but i think he live’s here.
Lynne Prentice at The Standard blogs, in an attack on the Taxpayers Union
“High income people have accountants. They don’t pay many taxes.”
“Half of the tax collected from individuals by the government comes from sales taxes and fees. Somehow morons like yourself never seem to look at where they come from. I’ll give you a hint. Overwhelmingly from people at or lower than average income and they pay most of the income tax as well.”
“Nett effect is that they usually pay a higher percentage of tax against their income than those on high incomes.”
This line from the left that people “with accountants” magically make their tax obligations go away really raises my blood pressure. I run a professional services business and my deductable expenses are modest in relation to revenue. I pay a SHIT LOAD of tax.
The Left have this fantasy – despite the evidence to the contrary – that the “rich” are all tax evaders and the country is being carried by the poor.
This must be another area for National to hammer – the “rich pricks” are actually keeping the joint afloat. Fucking steam coming out of my ears.
Reid (14,825 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
Yet another false dichotomy from Reid. Freedom from religion exists in western nations
Good point Richard. Except I was talking about the homosexualisation of the western world aka the gay rights social engineering meme, not religion.
It’s not rocket science you know. It’s called “reading what the other person said.” Perhaps you and stephie should try it sometime. You might stop making fools of yourselves. Possibly.
Did you actually read and understand what I wrote
Your false dichotomy is based on the fact that you think that any form of gay rights is based on your meme of social engineering and I reject your premise. The reality is that due to the freedom from religion that is prevalent in the western world gay people are no longer demonized just because various ancient texts state they should be. Some may say the pendulum has swung too far in favour of the gay community but that is what happens when a repressed group are given more freedom
As always you view the world through your own belief system and assign models that reinforce your world view when there are other possibilities. You call it social engineering, I say freedom from religion is one factor
Your false dichotomy is based on the fact that you think that any form of gay rights is based on your meme of social engineering and I reject your premise.
Actually Richard I don’t think that at all and it’s interesting you’re so arrogant as to assume you know what I do think, but that sometimes happens with stupid people with limited imagination and logical capacity.
See I think gays are fine. Why as I said in my 10.20 my brother is gay, therefore I have an intimate understanding of at least one gay’s life dating back to infancy, which is a far greater depth of understanding I daresay than you have, even if you have a hundred gay acquaintances. Therefore I have no problem with gays, I have no problem with their lifestyle.
It’s clear you have no idea what I was saying in my 10.20, so I think you should read it again, and again, and again, until you do understand what I was saying. Until you make a comment that actually relates to what I really was saying, I won’t be responding to it, but if you make yet another comment demonstrating what a great moron you are, I’ll be happy to point that out, again and again and again, until you demonstrate your thick skull has been penetrated by the light.
Reid (14,827 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
It’s clear you have no idea what I was saying in my 10.20
Looks like I over estimated your comprehension skills
Let me spell it out for you
What you refer to as ”homosexualisation of the western world aka the gay rights social engineering meme” in your typical over blown, superior, conspiracy based way is in my opinion just gay rights. I was rejecting your premise of the “homosexualisation of the western world aka gay rights social engineering meme” and offering the alternative cause of freedom from religion for the decrease in gay demonization and the resulting increase in gay rights.
Remember your 10.20 post stated If you don’t think social engineering exists then ask yourself why its only western nations that have been affected by this movement whereas the rest of the world isn’t. Doesn’t that show you that something is going on here that isn’t going on in the rest of the world? “ which is the specific section I quoted in my original post and the specific question I answered by stating freedom from religion which is something that “that isn’t going on in the rest of the world”
I think your arrogance is overwhelmingly displayed by your choice of abuse when your unique worldview is challenged. I made no reference to whether you personally liked, disliked or held any other opinion on gay people so any reference to your brother as some sort of qualifier for your opinions is unnecessary and gratuitous
(1) Congratulations to ‘Campbell’ who won a 30K car by winning a game called ‘9 from 10’ on The Paul Henry Show. It was the eighth time the game had been played. The task was to name nine types of alcohol in ten seconds. A tall order to do anything much in ten seconds let alone win a car. This bloke – who said it was near his bedtime – and they were in a pub, so – I assume relaxed from having downed a couple (or more?) – very calmly and casually without a care in the world nailed it without any detectable outward appearance of effort or hurrying. Brilliant TV. I watched it again on ‘+1’. Brilliant.
(2) This is another miracle – someone on TV and a New Zealander that I didn’t want to disappear from my screen. A bloke who was patrolling a Waikato river to check that no-one is doing the dirty catching whitebait or fish illegally. He was clear, articulate, nobody’s fool, had common sense, the right attitude and just generally on to it. How refreshing. Unlike the ship inspector who spends his life carrying a clipboard. I’ve got an instinct that makes me wants to force feed a person their own clipboard. I don’t know what the answer to that is. Find a way to take it around with you without actually carrying it. You’d like to have your own clipboard – give it to them – and at the same time say ‘have a look at this clipboard mate, and you’ll get a surprise’. And when they look – SMACK!! Slap that clipboard in their mush. Now you’ve been ticked off.
(3) Someone needs to re-apply the KB weedkiller. A combative commenter who clearly valued their username enough at the time not to delete the account, back when the user was swearing off the joint as a lost cause, might be in town again. Part of me likes the entertainment of it, and everyone loves blowhard loud and proud puff pastries who come crawling back on their bellies, but for me absence has not made the heart grow fonder. The problem arises when you can’t stand the person but also can’t help but look at their work. Which might have intellectual merit. But you don’t want to have a beer with a cold nasty twat. And you still don’t want to have a beer with a very intelligent and insightful cold nasty twat. Computer says no.