General Debate 21 February 2014

February 21st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What is going to be done about PPTA? These dogs must be deregistered. They have the principles of Lecher Brown and Slobcom, possibly less.
    Did the obese German criminal fund Jones’ Labour leadership challenge?

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  2. Viking2 (11,340 comments) says:

    hmm, 30 year mortgage rates in USA have just hit 4.33%.

    Begs the question why we can’t get 30 year rates and why we pay 6.5% currently for 2 year rates.
    Another Aussie rort just like the super markets.

    Speaking of which.

    A grand daughter works in one of those with the Green symbol.
    Customer asked to her the other day “what did she think about all this kerfuffle over the suppliers being bullied?”.
    Now not one to watch the news she was unaware of it. The customer said well they were being accused of bullying the suppliers.
    Answer: That’s not in the least surprising, they bully the staff daily.
    And its true they do.

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  3. Dean Papa (787 comments) says:

    you mean like telling them what to do and what to wear? How diabolical!

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  4. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    Congratulations to Whaleoil for winning the 2013 Netguide Best Blog award last night

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  5. Bovver (161 comments) says:

    That will make certain blog sites very unhappy. Oh dear, how sad, carry on.

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  6. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

    The Apollo 15 photographic record contradicts the stereoscopic parallax verification method. The apparent change in the relative positions of objects by moving the camera when the camera angles are separated by several tens of cms show that:

    the distance to distant objects such as mountains is not tens of kilometres but is no more
    than a few hundred metres;
    the landscape is not continuous, but with clear lines of separation;
    there is movement between nearby sections of the panorama relative to other sections.

    Thus, based on the above examples, this study concludes that the Apollo 15 photographic record does NOT depict real lunarscapes with distant backgrounds located more than a kilometre away from the camera.

    These pictures were, without doubt, taken in a studio set – up to 300 metres in size. A complex panorama mimicking the lunarscape shows degrees of movement, such as horizontal and vertical changes to give an impression of imaginary distance to the objects and perspective.

    Dr Oleg Oleynik

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,262 comments) says:

    @ Right Now – quite so. Whether you love Cameron and his blog or loathe them, it’s almost impossible to ignore them. Well done to the Whaleoil team, and better luck next time DPF; New Zealand’s leading arts, travel and fitness blog :P

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  8. Bovver (161 comments) says:

    A Russian claims the Americans never went to the moon, would’ve of thought.

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  9. peterwn (3,238 comments) says:

    See:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9746732/Students-cry-poor-but-minister-unmoved

    There are a few interesting background issues here:
    1. When student loans were first introduced, students could borrow as much as they liked, but paid interest on the whole amount from day one. Some students abused this leading to limits on the amount that can be borrowed.
    2. Labour then waived interest on student loans while they were still studying and then Grant Robertson (then a Labour back-roomer) locked in much of the student vote in 2005 by devising Labour’s policy to extend the interest free periods.

    Now, if some students had not abused student loans and Labour had not bribed students, there would be no difficulty with students being able to borrow sufficient (and a bit more). Even if there were borrowing limits but no interest ‘concessions’ the government could readily ease borrowing limits as this would be fiscally neutral.

    However increasing loan limits now means the Government having to find real money for it. And Stephen no doubt has figured there is no political advantage in doing so – the students concerned are unlikely to be voting National.

    Now, Stephen could offer to increase limits in exchange for partially rolling back interest concessions, but this will go down like a cup of cold sick with student activists. And the way things are going they cannot count on a Labour-Green government coming to their rescue nest year.

    A lovely own goal for Grant Robertson and student activists.

    What Stephen could do is create some scholarships aimed at students doing engineering, physical sciences and maths.

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  10. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    In the same league with the bludgers Phil Ure and Miss Dim: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/einstein-girl-3-mensa-youngest-member-article-1.1619436

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  11. srylands (404 comments) says:

    I have a feeling that Labour will announce a major policy on student allowances by removing, or significantly easing the means test for a large group of students.

    It is not the students vote that is at stake, but their parents, grandparents, aunties..

    Of course I could be totally mistaken :-)

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  12. EAD (932 comments) says:

    Newsflash: Study reveals living in a Labour safe seat means you’re more likely to be on benefits.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/02/20/Living-in-a-Labour-Area-Means-Youre-More-Likely-To-Be-On-Benefits

    What,that can’t be true……..you mean it is in “progressive” parties interest to keep people poor, ignorant, dependent on government for their income and with little real liberty to make their own choices?

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  13. flipper (3,935 comments) says:

    Mnnnn…

    Whores drawers Roy Morgan has pulled his drawers up again….and lowered poor Cunners to just 30 odd.

    Sadly, there seems to be some drift from Cunners to the red-haired, red melon Wussell, and to the serial lying “no” man.

    But the poll confirms Fairfax, so the Colmar Brunton TVNZ exercise will either confirm …. or go rogue.

    Whatever, the world at February 21, 2014 does not present as favourable, and certainly not as rosy red as the left wing dip shites thort that it would. Oh dear, what a pity. Never mind.

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  14. jp_1983 (202 comments) says:

    Just wait for Grebour to wipe student loan debt and give students the ‘living wage’ as part of their campaign

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  15. stephieboy (2,638 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, I assume your are attempting to do three things re Moon Hoax,
    1. Your joking or,
    2 .Trying to prop up Colin Craig and thevCobservatives with their declining popular support base .
    3. Your not joking and therefore seriously deluded.
    A useful link about nutty Moon Hoax theories for those willing to use even a modicum of commonsense and more importantly, retain their sanity ,

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax

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  16. mandk (945 comments) says:

    hey stephieboy, relax!

    there’s nothing better in the morning than the smell of a re-worked conspiracy theory :-)

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  17. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    @stephieboy (9.13am): Option 3 is the most likely.

    I’ve offered to sell him a bridge but he hasn’t been able to use his hoax photo theory as collateral for a loan. :(

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  18. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    She deserves it, doesn’t she? http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8803083/nz-drug-suspect-sleeps-on-bali-cell-floor

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  19. WineOh (624 comments) says:

    Telecom to rebrand as “Spark” ???

    What a stupid idea. Hilarious to see all the comments on the Stuff website, not a positive comment among them. My favourite: Obviously not “Bright” Spark

    Telecom CEO reckons their logo is known as the ‘Spark’ already, well not me… it stands for Asterick as in ‘special conditions apply, make sure you read the fine print to find out how we are next scheming to milk another few dollars out of unsuspecting customers and downgrade the service.

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  20. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    Oh look ,the diversity dividend in action in broken Britain.Broken by its own treacherous permanent political class.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10652519/Judge-attacks-foreign-criminals-for-failing-to-learn-English.html

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  21. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    wineoh

    And “spark” isn’t original either. The Eyeties have similar.

    I wonder how much Telecom shareholders paid for a stupid, expensive and ultimately futile name change?

    Shocking how far “enterprise”, in this era of crony capitalism, has fallen.

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  22. WineOh (624 comments) says:

    So true kowtow.

    But of course ultimately its the customers who pay for it all, not the shareholders. Though I suspect the shareholders will take a bath on the share price if this goes ahead too.

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  23. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Manolo- Just wait until the NZ media decide that she is ‘innocent’ and was framed by those evil,dirty cops! She could acquire ‘rock-star’ status like the creepy paperboy…

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  24. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    manolo

    There was a whining lawyer woman on RNZ yesterday bleating about how awful conditions were there…….no challenge from our fearless journo along the lines of……Well,shit Sherlock ,how stupid is it for foreigners to get involved with drugs in a corrupt shithole like Indonesia?

    It ain’t called the Third World for nothing.

    ps

    All that Schappelle coverage must have been lost on some of these drongos……

    or it could be a cunning plan to do 9 years and then get paid a million by some lowlife ‘media” operation for her story…..

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  25. Harriet (4,758 comments) says:

    Kowtow#

    The gang’s Roma ringleader, Zdeno Mirga, 18, who was known as “the boss” or “Skinny”, was sentenced to 16-and-a-half years for eight counts of rape and one count of inciting child prostitution.

    Hassan Abdulla, 33, an Iraqi Kurd who came to Britain in 2002 as an asylum seeker, was jailed for 20 years for four rapes and three counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

    The judge said Abdulla had “repaid the debt he owes this country” by committing sex attacks as well as a previous incident of harassment.

    Renato Balog, 18, a Roma, will serve 12 years for five rapes and three sexual assaults, and Jan Kandrac, 17, also a Roma migrant, will serve five-and-a-half years for one count of rape and two of indecent assault on a child.

    The youngest member of the gang, a 14-year-old Roma who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was given a non-custodial six-month youth rehabilitation order for sexual activity with a child.

    Judge Bevan singled out the gang’s treatment of a 12-year-old girl with “serious learning difficulties”.

    She was repeatedly raped, with men and boys sometimes lining up to abuse her as a “sexual commodity”, he said, adding: “To you she was easy meat, a sexual plaything who no one cared about, no one cared for and who nobody would believe. Unfortunately for you, the jury did.”

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    “….will serve 12 years for five rapes and three sexual assaults…..”

    What a fucken joke!

    When the 20yld Lebanese Balil Scafe and his gang packed raped girls in Sydney, he was eventually given 40yrs – after being firstly given 55yrs – the rest from memory got 15+. The Judge went fucken ballistic, called them barbaric and said their ‘past culture’ was backward.

    Englands finished. The law no longer stands up for women.

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  26. jcuk (663 comments) says:

    The spokesperson for Telecom/Spark sounded like a typical waffling idiot full of words with no substance … a real con merchant was my impression. Having worked for NZPO unfortunately the less I have to do with NZPO/Telecom/Spark the better … thank goodness for competition in the market place.

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  27. Harriet (4,758 comments) says:

    “…..Manolo- Just wait until the NZ media decide that she is ‘innocent’ and was framed by those evil,dirty cops! She could acquire ‘rock-star’ status like the creepy paperboy…”

    Corby was actually once a model in QLD. I saw a picture of the ‘kiwi chick’ in the Daily Mail – far less than ordinary.

    On talkback last night she was described as an idiot for what she has done – as she knew what happened to Corby and the Bali nine. No one gave a fuck at all.

    People in Australia are fucken sick of hearing about fellow Aussies going abroad and being criminals in other countries, and then request the Australian government ‘do something about my plight’. They are seen as being fucken ignorant.

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  28. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    UPDATED! Fifth Elite Banker Commits Suicide in 2-Weeks

    In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV provides an update on a Fifth Elite Banker to Die in 2-Weeks.

    Most highly suspicious deaths Grene has reported on

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AKHAsTWFuA

    Unverified report one banker had just textd his wife saying he would be home shortly before his death.

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  29. dime (9,793 comments) says:

    Longknives – this will excite you

    http://tvnz.co.nz/all-blacks/shortlisted-laureus-world-sports-awards-5845230

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  30. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    I wish to record my appreciation to the person who invented the scroll wheel.

    This valuable piece of equipment is great for whipping past comments from moon landing conspiracy theorists, financial market fruit loops, placard waving protesters, wannabe politicos, link whores and plain rude bastards who have to try and get their ‘point’ across, via bold font.

    LAC

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  31. Viking2 (11,340 comments) says:

    Dean Papa (572 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 8:22 am

    you mean like telling them what to do and what to wear? How diabolical!
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    ============================
    No, but about their management practices and hygiene in their stores.
    Countdown are unionized and both parties deserve one another.

    The staff are pawns between the two.

    Try working there.
    Oh and many of the perpetrators of the bullying are older women unionists..
    Not surprised.

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  32. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    Talking of whacked lunar conspiracy theories ,I haven’t heard any regarding the faulty Chicom Jade Rabbit .

    Oh that’s right ,it’s only the yanks the nutters are out to bag.

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  33. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    One of the funnier comments on the telecom/Spark rebrand –

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203250359238163&set=p.10203250359238163&type=1

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  34. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    And so it begins –

    The Obama administration’s FCC wants to send ‘investigators’ into newsrooms in order to ‘study’ how newsers decide what news to cover, how they pick their stories.

    The FCC is launching a new study, taking upon itself the task of deciding what news the public “needs” to hear, versus the news the public wants to hear. The agency will conduct a “General Population Survey” that will “measure community members’ actual and perceived critical information needs.”

    Got that? What you think (perceive) you need to know is different from what the government says you need to know.

    Next, the FCC will send monitors to newsrooms across the country who will ask questions regarding the “philosophy” of the newsroom, inquire about possible conflicts between reporters and their bosses, and even determine how much influence each individual has in deciding what to report.

    Last week, FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai, who believes the government has no role in how a certain story is covered, disclosed in a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed the existence of the new FCC plan that will ostensibly “study” how media organizations report the news. 

    Here’s Mr. Pai:

    Last May the FCC proposed an initiative to thrust the federal government into newsrooms across the country. With its “Multi-Market Study of Critical Information Needs,” or CIN, the agency plans to send researchers to grill reporters, editors and station owners about how they decide which stories to run. A field test in Columbia, S.C., is scheduled to begin this spring.

    The purpose of the CIN, according to the FCC, is to ferret out information from television and radio broadcasters about “the process by which stories are selected” and how often stations cover “critical information needs,” along with “perceived station bias” and “perceived responsiveness to underserved populations.”

    The news was jarring, so I downloaded the FCC’s “Research Design” and read it for myself.

    What I found was even more disturbing than what Mr. Pai reports.

    If radio and television stations resist coughing up confidential employee data (including demographic information) to aid the FCC monitors, the study also (on pages 10 and 11) provides helpful “strategies” for obtaining information — even when employers and their Human Resources departments refuse to cooperate.

    How reassuring that the federal government is devising new ways to violate the privacy of reporters, editors and their employers – all to make sure news outlets are providing Americans with the news the Obama administration says they “need.”

    The roadmap to censorship is clear. Expect this study to show that some news organizations are failing to cover the “right” stories – thus failing to give the people what they “need.”

    Then, the FCC – which owns the airwaves – will propose to swoop in and fix the “market failure” by making sure that Americans learn what they “need” to learn – regardless of their own preferences.

    MORE – http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/02/20/is-obama-trying-to-kill-free-press/

    Yep, can’t have the press reporting the wrong things, now can we?

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  35. dime (9,793 comments) says:

    Fletch – but your source is fox so obviously its made up…

    Obama hope & change. The only change has been less freedom for americans

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  36. peterwn (3,238 comments) says:

    Telecom / Spark – Well, Telecom’s CEO is a bright spark – he trained as an electrical engineer and he is bright. Rather Telecom calling themselves ‘spark’ than Transpower or Solid Energy.

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  37. flipper (3,935 comments) says:

    **** ” …. and plain rude bastards who have to try and get their ‘point’ across, via bold font. ”

    ****
    Elaycee…

    Take your view and stick up your proverbial. Like it or lump it, your protestations are pathetic, if not childish. In NZ it is still a free world …and KB is a 99.9% free blog.

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  38. EAD (932 comments) says:

    @ Dime – after 6 years of President Zero running up massive debts, the Americans have no hope and no change

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  39. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    A record year of company listings and trading activity has boosted the New Zealand stock exchange’s profit to $12.1 million.

    The NZX announced today its net profit was up 22.6 per cent for the year ended December 31.

    This was boosted by revenue of $62.8m, which was up 12.2 per cent on the previous year

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9748436/NZX-annual-profit-soars

    This is the year to get into the NZ market. It’s being manipulated for the key govt and there’s proofit to be made. Also, the stratedgy is to encourage investment and mop up extra liquidity in consumers pockets the market missed in 08. The market will definitely crash before the next US election. The dollar will be taken over by the yuan. Neo Nazi’s are thriving in the crashed economy of Greece and they will build momentum across Europe. We are on teh brink of 1930’s Germany all over again.

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  40. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    LOL, a cleaner for an art gallery threw away an art installation worth 8000 pounds. Not surprising, as the “art” (and I use the term lightly) was broken biscuits strewn across the floor.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2563671/Crumbs-Cleaner-throws-broken-biscuits-lying-floor-art-gallery-unaware-installation-worth-8-000.html

    I think it ended up where it belonged – in the trash.

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Lie detector tests for job applicants

    Things you may be asked

    “Are you intentionally falsifying or omitting any information on your application forms?”

    “Are you intentionally withholding any information about your involvement with illegal drugs?”

    “Have you ever committed any serious crime?”

    “Have you intentionally mishandled any classified information?”

    “Have you been involved in terrorist activity?”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9746793/Lie-detector-tests-for-job-applicants

    I can see a future where citizens will have to take a six monthly W O F like state houses for compliance issues.

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  42. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    Scroll, scroll….. :roll:

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  43. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Royal Bank of Scotland has suspended a senior currency trader in London, bringing to three the number of traders suspended by the bank since a global investigation into allegations of rigging reference exchange rates was launched last year.

    Ian Drysdale was put on leave earlier this week and has now been suspended, a source familiar with the matter said.

    This follows the suspension of Julian Munson and Paul Nash in October last year.

    RBS declined to comment, and Drysdale could not be reached for comment.
    Big bank suspends trader for alleged rate manipulation

    On Tuesday RBS said it was reviewing rules on currency dealers trading with their own money.

    The global probe into online communications between traders and allegations of manipulating benchmark currency rates known as “fixings” has seen more than 20 traders at many of the world’s biggest banks put on leave, suspended or fired.

    The Bank of England, Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) and the US Federal Reserve and Department of Justice are among those looking into the allegations of wrongdoing in the US$5.3 trillion-a-day ($6.4 trillion) global FX market, the world’s biggest market.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9743530/Big-bank-suspends-trader-for-alleged-rate-manipulation

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  44. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Taking about deluded individuals: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8803204/dalai-lama-in-us-seeks-humane-capitalism

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  45. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The Luddite Greens would love it, Forest and Bird would hate it: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484.html

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  46. EAD (932 comments) says:

    Wiki – you seem to be posting a lot on suicides by Bankers!

    From Australia – the Newstopia comedy team from SBS do a hilarious skit and perhaps offer a good explanation as to why Bankers are dispatching themselves as of late.

    This short clip also shows a few truths about “Economic Theory” and the role of Central Banks (Central Bankers)

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  47. wf (414 comments) says:

    Thanks EAD, for the lunchtime laugh.

    jp_1983 (61 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 9:09 am
    Just wait for Grebour to wipe student loan debt and give students the ‘living wage’ as part of their campaign

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    Vote up or down?
    We really DO need a smiley to vote on.

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  48. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    Kiev – waiting for the rescue team to get the double tap in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

    (NSFW)

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  49. stephieboy (2,638 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business,

    We are on the brink of 1930s Germany all over again.??
    Deluded nonsense.!

    Manolo , the Dalai Llama deluded.?
    I take it you support an inhumane form of capitalism.?
    Yes.?

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  50. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    …the Dalai Llama deluded?

    Yes. A fool of monumental proportions.

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  51. stephieboy (2,638 comments) says:

    And you support an inhumane form of capitalism .!
    Look whose the ” monumental fool”

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  52. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Look whose…

    Don’t they teach how to write at Hamilton University’s School of Women’s Studies?
    Educate yourself before showing your supine ignorance in KB.

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  53. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    The Daily Mail had a screaming headline about shooting unarmed protestors but then the story goes on to show photos of armed protestors.Duh.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564289/Bodies-litter-streets-Kiev-plunges-new-savagery.html

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  54. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A bit of a struggle in the early years helps to form one’s character. It doesn’t seem to be the case these days:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9746711/Students-cry-poor-but-minister-unmoved

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  55. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    A Russian who visited the Ukraine late last year: google translation

    After spending two days on the Maidan, I would say that this statement is not for speedy integration into Europe, and against Yanukovych, his team and a warm friendship with Putin. Refusal to sign the agreement was the only reason that the last straw for many. People Yanukovych and his friends have a lot of questions. This is primarily electoral fraud, corruption terrible (Navalny did not even dream of such), the lack of normal justice and much more. Do not think I need to explain this to his Russian readers. Just in Ukraine all these problems are much more acute than in Russia. And here is a possible agreement with Europe – a real chance to restore some order.

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  56. srylands (404 comments) says:

    “This is the year to get into the NZ market. It’s being manipulated for the key govt and there’s profit [sic] to be made.”

    I like simple explanations. They are generally the right ones, especially when it comes to markets, the effects of incentives, and individual welfare.

    Whereas folk like you, Wiki, make the most mad statements – “the stock market is being manipulated (by some evil person or persons) to benefit the government” – and expect to be taken seriously.

    A common theme at the Standard – in fact the dominant theme of the whole blog – is that evil forces (banks, landlords, economists, speculators, money market traders, the “rich”) are all conspiring to manipulate markets and steal money from Jo Bloggs. The Government should do something about this. In fact that should be the role of government – to adopt a myriad of interventions to make all these nasty people give the money back, and drive them out of existence.

    If only the Government would make the rich pay their tax. If only the Government would give is a living wage. If only the Government would ban speculators. If only the Government would regulate rents.

    Of course all this is like Alice’s world – where everything is not what one believes. So, for example, the rich DO pay most of the tax, and markets actually DO make everyone better off.

    The bad news is that a sizeable slice of the electorate believes all this moon bat madness. The good news is that more people just don’t buy it. So what you are seeing at The Standard is a bunch of people becoming more and more frustrated that there is no traction. The stories are getting weirder, and the comments are getting more bitter. Expect more of that.

    New Zealand actually needs a viable alternative government in waiting. It is a good and necessary thing. What that will require is a viable, evidence based, policy theme around wealth CREATION. The voters might happily buy a bit more redistribution but only if it is accompanied by wealth creation. So to take the latest example: solar panels WON’T do that. Because (back to my opening comment – “simple is good”) the proposal is to promote expensive electricity generation over exisiting cheaper generation. Hence this will make New Zealand POORER. End of story. Stop right there.

    If I get some down time in the next couple of months I might write a proper essay along these lines and look for someone to publish it as a “guest contributor”. But those damn The Standard guys will start stalking me again.

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  57. stephieboy (2,638 comments) says:

    kowtow (6,374 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Just which side are you on here,?
    Now let me guess. ?
    Hmmm….!

    Manolo , this is perfect for you,

    http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/community/health-and-disability-practitioners/assisting-people-into-work.html

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  58. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    Now let me guess. ?

    Too easy.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/

    The students were the first to protest against the regime of President Viktor Yanukovych on the Maidan, the central square in Kiev, last November. These were the Ukrainians with the most to lose, the young people who unreflectively thought of themselves as Europeans and who wished for themselves a life, and a Ukrainian homeland, that were European. Many of them were politically on the left, some of them radically so. After years of negotiation and months of promises, their government, under President Yanukovych, had at the last moment failed to sign a major trade agreement with the European Union.

    When the riot police came and beat the students in late November, a new group, the Afghan veterans, came to the Maidan. These men of middle age, former soldiers and officers of the Red Army, many of them bearing the scars of battlefield wounds, came to protect “their children,” as they put it. They didn’t mean their own sons and daughters: they meant the best of the youth, the pride and future of the country. After the Afghan veterans came many others, tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands, now not so much in favor of Europe but in defense of decency.

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  59. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    Whose side are you on?

    You boys may well be on the side of the fascists.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/02/kiev-radicals-blamed-fuelling-violence-2014216212155800400.html

    I favour a constitutional ,peaceful approach to problem solving ,if that avenue exists.Arguably it does in the Ukraine .
    When you take to the streets you don’t know know what genie will escape the bottle.

    The transition of the former Soviet republics to democracy is going to be a long,slow and complex process.

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  60. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    srylands – good comment, that’s worth posting, do you mind if I do that? I often look out for good comments to post.

    Or you can post yourself if you want to be an author – don’t worry, the Standard guys keep any eye on me but don’t often come stalking.

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  61. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter has a distinctive writing style and likes intermingling history and fantasy. His latest column began:

    Stairway To Hell: Like the decrepit dynasty at the heart of Mervyn Peake’s grotesque fantasy novel, Gormenghast, the “Heads” at TVNZ’s Auckland sprawling headquarters lost track of what was going on within their immense domain.

    This has sparked a string of tryhards on #WriteLikeTrotter – I’m collated them here: http://yournz.org/2014/02/21/write-like-trotter/

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  62. Roflcopter (452 comments) says:

    Friday Own Goal – Labour again…. lol

    David Cunliffe ‏@DavidCunliffeMP 1h
    Weekly student loan living costs maximum has only increased $23 since 1999. It’s not a benefit, it’s a loan. How can students live on that?

    Steven Joyce ‏@stevenljoyce 41m
    Own goal @DavidCunliffeMP National has increased student loans 4 cost of living every yr since 08. Labour did zilch over 9 yrs.

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  63. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    PG

    You’re the try hard.

    The standrd keep an eye on him? Such flattery.Starting to sound Winstony there,sure it’s not the GCSB watchin’,Petey,you’re such a big player?

    Glass houses and all that….

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  64. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    kowotw – lprent and micky sometimes come to comment, but mostly they just talk about it back on TS, which is kinda weird after eighteen months away. But it happens, and they do keep an eye out – here too, even though they usually say “I never go to Kiwiblog but happened to go there just once and noticed….”

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  65. DJP6-25 (1,353 comments) says:

    RightNow 8.25 AM. That’s excellent news. It’s amazing what can be done with the right people and a shoe string budget.

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  66. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    Coincidentally, today:

    Rosie
    Your positive ideas are the sort of thinking that will win Labour votes. Keep the comments up, I look for something positive and lately haven’t found much.

    I am getting pissed off with the growing numbers of people blogging here that are spreading ideas of loss causing apathy about Labour in the next election. Too many rw ‘gremlins’ and I think they are putting off commentators here, you blog watchers.

    Pete George is an apprentice compared to them. It was a case of pushing a party affiliated to then, now its a negative idea to a style of political and economic thinking and advocating and envisaging a death spiral approach like kamikaze trainers expecting their students to go down in the water.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21022014/#comment-776401

    srylands is one of the targets of that comment. Last week:

    +1. And PG has put Tinshed’s comment up on KB in the “Where Key got his information from” post, calling it “some sense from Tinshed on The Standard”.

    PG has now past the 21,000 mark on comments on KB. They’re welcome to him.

    Now shower time.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/mindless-questions/#comment-772618

    Funny how they say they hate reading here so much but just happen to sport something.

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  67. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The sub-Standard, the american NSA, the British MI5, the French Surete and Russian FSB keep tabs on P.G., such a luminary of NZ blog scene.

    A quixotic living legend whose presence bless us all. Let’s be grateful.

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  68. DJP6-25 (1,353 comments) says:

    Elaycee 10.03 AM. I agree with you. It is right up there along with the mute button.

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  69. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    And they have frustrated, bitter and twisted resident trolls just like Manolo. Some people seem to get something out of pretending to be tough arseholes. They’re just arses.

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  70. Ross12 (1,373 comments) says:

    Looks like the Aussie’s are going to have to “pull their horns in” abit

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-running-out-of-money-for-medicare-says-treasurer-joe-hockey-20140221-335j0.html#ixzz2tudeDGje

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  71. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    They’re just arses.

    People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

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  72. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    …the Dalai Llama deluded?

    Say what you like about the guy but don’t knock his pizza. He’ll make you one with everything. :lol:

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  73. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    The would be politician with the very thin skin is going ahead with his defamation case against the Aussie mouth.

    Ref: http://www.3news.co.nz/Craig-presses-on-with-defamation-case/tabid/1607/articleID/333157/Default.aspx

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  74. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    nasska, this goes to show that Craig is not an empty suit, he says what he means and he and his lawyers are to be feared and obeyed. He must be treated with respect.

    Of course the idea that those with money are to be respected is not a traditional one, it is not of the conservative ethos, it is a modern day innovation – that any commoner with money can buy the sort of power and influence that once only belonged to those born into title and estate.

    Of course the same can be said of all commoners who as equal political citizens now have an impact in the decision-making of those in power as their representatives.

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  75. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    I doubt any of us will see those of the Colin Craig kind on a blog, the place most like parliament in the giving and taking of an insult.

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  76. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    SPC

    To those who clutch at the hem of his tailored suit & implore him to deliver NZ to the just & the Godaddled he will be a hero. To others he will prove himself to be a small minded, petty wanker who uses his not inconsiderable wealth to bully others.

    The rest of us will wish Messers Craig & Norman a pox on both their houses & get on with life.

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  77. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ Roflcopter (373 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    They may have increased the cost of living amount of the loan, but they have also increased the interest paid on the loans, and seriously limited the amount of people who are able to get student loans. This governments support of student/education is appalling.

    I have been dealing all week with students who three years ago would have qualified for student allowance and now do not. As a consequence they are having to withdraw and not complete the final year of their qualification. Nice one – keep the minions unskilled, unqualified and on the minimum wage… small tweaks here and there and no one notices … bloody disgusting.

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  78. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    The would be politician with the very thin skin is going ahead with his defamation case against the Aussie mouth.

    Another extraordinarily astute move from Craig.

    Like I said, win or lose, he wins in the court of public opinion, in which he’s always been fighting.

    If he wins, he gets to force a widely derided even hated MP to apologise. Possibly the most derided and hated although you’d have to say Hone comes a close second if not a narrow first.

    If he wins, he also sends a shaft of fear into the heart of every politician and media organisation considering belittling and criticism without substances, and thereby lifts the general tone of political debate, for which even those who will never vote for him, will thank him.

    If he loses, he can clearly and legitimately claim the moral high-ground, given he is not asking for damages but mere words of apology which only small men deny, and that he is doing so only because the hated and derided one put words in his mouth, which were not words he had used. And this makes him a Kiwi battler, standing for righteousness and justice, and spending his own money to do it.

    And win or lose, he gets himself in the headlines, a lot, in the coming weeks.

    Extraordinarily astute. For a political neophyte.

    In stark contrast to UF who remains invisible, and bumping along the 0 to 0.5% line to deserved oblivion.

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  79. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Reid

    I doubt that the court case is going to do a lot for the political party ratings in the long term & that goes for both the CCCP & the Greens. There’ll be no shortage of bullshit & dirty laundry thrown open to the light of day but when the crap settles the tree huggers & the Godwhacks will both claim some sort of victory & try to convince themselves that it was all worthwhile.

    Truth is that it is unlikely to add an extra vote to the likely outcome of either party. Both sides as niche political groups are preaching to the converted.

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  80. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I disagree.

    If it had been his only foray into dispatching the lawyers, then yes. But this is turning into a pattern. Once for the principle I can understand, but using legal means as a weapon against opponents – not liking that direction at all.

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  81. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    nasska look at it in context. National has hinted they may gift Craig East Coast Bays and put McCully onto the list. This is because National needs partners. So Craig in this context has to show he’s a serious player. Which means name recognition and headlines.

    Also factor in that a 0.1 shift in polling for a minor party means much more in % terms of their total support than it means for a major. And the more support one builds through blood, sweat and tears, the more it starts to build itself, as people look beyond the “flake nobody” labels the media propagate and see a contrast between that and what other people are saying (which is what the public interpret in high or low poll ratings).

    That’s the game rules of the small party arena he’s playing in, and he’s doing very very well at it. Since despite the media’s best efforts, he always comes up with something else to keep his name front and centre.

    using legal means as a weapon against opponents – not liking that direction at all.

    Politics during election year is not a fair game of truth, justice and fair play Lucia. He’s playing by those rules, while retaining integrity, since he’s only asking for an apology, not damages. It’s not his fault the rules of the arena are what they are. And I suspect that when he does get the opportunity to play in the arena, we will see his truth, justice and fair play in action.

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  82. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria

    From Brian Rudman 5:30 AM Wednesday Feb 19, 2014 (Herald):

    …..”Conservative Party cry-baby Colin Craig has achieved the seeming impossible. He has managed to unite a grand alliance of National, Labour and the Greens against him, mocking his move to sue Green co-leader Russel Norman for defamation.”….

    and

    ….”Prime Minister John Key has also chipped in, saying “what a waste of time”, and warning Mr Craig that if he ever made it into Parliament, he’d need a phalanx of lawyers to deal with the flak.”….

    also

    ….”Millionaire Mr Craig says this is the sixth defamation threat he has instructed his lawyers to send out since entering the political arena.”….

    concluding with

    ….”My feeling is that anyone who flirts with such ideas should grow a thicker skin. Indeed anyone who enters politics should do the same and follow the Prime Minister’s advice. Mr Key says: “If I took legal action every time I thought somebody had wronged me, my lawyers would be busy, too.” “…..

    Time will tell.

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  83. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    So where does one go if one leans towards the conservative side of things yet isn’t a “Godwhacker”? Is it a black ‘n white, all or nothing combo, or are there shades of grey? There seems to be a concerted effort to portray the two as available only in a dual pack.

    I don’t eat lollies, but if I did I think I’d prefer pick ‘n mix rather than a premixed bag. Same with most things in life, including politics. Being told you can have this but only if you take that really grinds my gears. Brings forth a feeling of being had.

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  84. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    So where does one go if one leans towards the conservative side of things yet isn’t a “Godwhacker”? Is it a black ‘n white, all or nothing combo, or are there shades of grey? There seems to be a concerted effort to portray the two as available only in a dual pack.

    Perhaps you should ask Sidey who has created that impression in you. As far as I’ve seen thus far, Craig doesn’t go on and on and on about his faith. So who is alleging/pretending that’s what he does?

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  85. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Reid

    JK isn’t racing to gift a seat to Colin Craig mostly because he recognises him as a flake but probably also realises that all their votes will be taken from National. If the CCCP didn’t exist then the moaning & grumbling from the religioconservatives will be terrible to hear but rest assured they won’t ditch National in favour of Hone or Metira.

    Plus, believe it or not, there are those presently residing happily within National’s tent who detest everything Colin Craig’s party stands for.

    Appeasing them would not be easy.

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  86. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Well, Reid, to play your game, not Colin Craig to be fair.

    Surely you can’t be suggesting that others, perhaps even with some sort of agenda, would be deliberately setting out to conflate the two for their own nefarious ends?

    That would shake my faith in the very core of humankind’s ability to be nice and play fair.

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  87. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Sidey

    Democracy ain’t perfect. If you can find a party that delivers 80% of what you want & has a good track record in financial management why risk your vote?

    National ticks enough boxes to get my tick.

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  88. Ross12 (1,373 comments) says:

    Reid @ 5.33

    Totally agree with your analysis.( And it’s about time someone held Norman to account.)

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  89. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    JK isn’t racing to gift a seat to Colin Craig mostly because he recognises him as a flake but probably also realises that all their votes will be taken from National.

    nasska, you haven’t been paying attention but I can’t be arsed finding the links that tell you that, you’ll just have to wait for the announcement. A lot of their votes will be taken from UF since that draws the old various Christian party crowds for the party vote, but since Dunne self-destructed and revealed himself to be a liar and philanderer, those are history, for him. Now he has only his significantly weakened electoral vote but National also want him, the more the merrier, so they’re standing a weak candidate against him in his electorate. But his party is history, it will register I’m picking around 0.2% throughout the country, this time. (Note to Pete: picking = predicting, basing it on intuition, so don’t bother asking me for evidence why I think that, just wait and see.)

    those presently residing happily within National’s tent who detest everything Colin Craig’s party stands for.

    Firstly how do you know they think that? Secondly there isn’t a lot of detail out there so how do you know they think that? Thirdly National wants a third term, and unlike atheistic fanatics, they’re not, so they won’t be regarding Craig as supping with the Devil, although I suspect personally (note to Pete, that’s another supposition that I don’t have evidence for and won’t be providing) more of them will regard that of Dunne than they will of Craig.

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  90. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Nasska – I like being lied to 80% of the time by a drunken, pin-striped dwarf with slurry speech and a failing memory.
    The other 80% of the time I like being preached to by a plump-haired, journo chasing, party-hoping guy in a bow tie.

    Any thoughts on a suitable party?

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  91. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Reid

    ….”As far as I’ve seen thus far, Craig doesn’t go on and on and on about his faith. “….

    Right at the moment no one can drag a peep out of the bugger about faith or religion. Regrettably it seems likely that he has taken some advice from PR experts who have woken him up to the fact that since Graham Capill spent time in the big house for molesting little girls there would less chance of getting an openly Christian party into Parliament than fitting them through the eye of a Biblical needle.

    Fortunately they’ll trip themselves up when all the recycled rejects from parties such as “Kiwi” & “Family” appear on the CCCP list. I’m keeping my powder dry until then.

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  92. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    ….”Nasska – I like being lied to 80% of the time by a drunken, pin-striped dwarf with slurry speech and a failing memory.
    The other 80% of the time I like being preached to by a plump-haired, journo chasing, party-hoping guy in a bow tie.

    Any thoughts on a suitable party?”….

    Not at the moment Sidey…..but in the meantime if you’re really hanging out for degradation & torture may I suggest a visit to Madam Lash’s House of Pain. :)

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  93. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    nasska keeping his powder dry?

    I don’t think so.

    Shoots his wad every day when it comes to Colin.

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  94. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    Fortunately they’ll trip themselves up when all the recycled rejects from parties such as “Kiwi” & “Family” appear on the CCCP list.

    Why do you think his list composition will be any different from his stellar performance thus far, nasska?

    BTW, just heard Craig’s name mentioned in the Checkpoint News. Again. Haven’t heard Dunne’s for simply ages.

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  95. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Shoots his wad every day when it comes to Colin.

    Alongside someone else very verbose, whose name escapes me.

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  96. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Reid

    UF are toast but it’s highly likely that Dunne will retain his seat. In any case the Godophiles who attached themselves to UF are long gone. Check the graph on the link below.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lshj2vx0x2h5jnl/CCCP%20Orig%201.png

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  97. Monique Angel (266 comments) says:

    The older you get, the better it gets:
    After being married for 50 years, I took a careful look at my wife one day and said, “Fifty years ago we had a cheap house, a junk car, slept on a sofa bed and watched a 10-inch black and white TV, but I got to sleep every night with a hot 23-year-old girl.”
    “Now … We have an $800,000 home, a $65,000 car, a nice big bed and a large-screen TV, but I’m sleeping with a 73-year-old woman. It seems to me that you’re not holding up your side of the bargain.”
    My wife is a very reasonable woman. She told me to go out and find a hot 23-year-old girl and she would make sure that I would once again be living in a cheap house, driving a junk car, sleeping on a sofa bed and watching a 10-inch black and white TV.

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  98. mara (760 comments) says:

    TVNZ take note…. Seven Sharp is unwatchable bollocks. Suggestions, all three presenters have a problem. One should be on the channel that promotes sharp knives and extra-sucky vacuum cleaners, the other should be on a kiddies program that gives up play-dough recipes and shows infants how to put frenchies on bananas, and the third should know better than to associate with either of them. Unless the 3rd person is now playing the so-called long game. Bored and gone.

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  99. freemark (554 comments) says:

    If you think it’s ok to repeatedly use public funds for private business when you are on a fat ratepayer salary; if you think it’s ok to lie to the public until you get caught; if you think it’s ok to conduct an affair in work time, at your work place, desecrating Maori rooms, on that ratepayer salary; if you think it’s ok for Auckland to be lead by someone being booed at The 9’s and uninvited to many public events; if you think it’s ok to use a gross power imbalance and references to get a bit on the side, and publicly humiliate your children..you probably won’t attend this event. if you think it’s important to say “it’s not ok” you probably will. Hope to see you there. https://www.facebook.com/events/630259507036725/

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  100. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Mrs Len Brown goes to her doctor for a check-up, only to find out that she’s pregnant.

    She is furious….

    Here she is in the middle of her first run for President of Auckland’s Ladies- Who-Lunch-A-Lot…….

    …….now this has happened to her.

    She calls home, gets Len on the phone and immediately starts screaming:

    ‘How could you have let this happen?

    With all that’s going on right now, you go and get me pregnant! How could you?
    I can’t believe this! I’ve just found out I’m five weeks pregnant and it’s all your fault!

    Well, what have you got to say?’

    There is nothing but dead silence on the phone.

    She screams again, ‘Did you hear me?’

    Finally, she hears Len’s very, very quiet voice, in a barely audible whisper,he asks:

    ‘Who’s speaking?’

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  101. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Nasska,

    Nothing there in Brian Rudman’s opinion piece that I disagree with.

    Reid,

    I had a run in with a blogger turned lawyer last year who was right into the defamation thing. Made me wonder if I got onto her bad side in a worse way than I already was at that point, would she decide I was defaming her and come after me the way she went after another blogger. I’m sure you know who I mean, though I dare not mention the name given the potential threat.

    Anyway, that really got me thinking about defamation and how it can be misused. And that experience makes me look askance at those who use it frequently, citing pain and suffering, loss of good name, etc, etc.

    Maybe I’m being a bit harsh with Colin Craig given my personal experience, however, whether or not it changes the opinion of most voters who may give him a tick or two at election time, it has certainly lowered him as a man in my eyes.

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  102. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    No longer the champions and no longer receiving favour from referees, and no Carter to do the kicking, it’s tough being a Crusader these days.

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  103. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoQ-8cfQGCo

    :)

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  104. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    @Johnboy: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo….

    What the hell have you been drinking? 8O

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  105. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy has been drinking with a cowcockie.

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  106. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Sometimes … when you cry … no one sees your tears… Sometimes… when you are in pain… no one sees you’re hurt… Sometimes… when you are worried…. no one sees your stress…Sometimes … when you are happy … no one sees your smile … But try shagging a sheep in the hotel carpark just one fucking time & see how much attention you get.

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  107. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Do you think it might be that little bottle of holy water that I brought back from my pilgrimage to the Vatican Elaycee?

    The lovely Nuns that I purchased it from did look askance when I asked if it would reverse my liver damage if I added it to my Whisky! :)

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  108. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    In Wainui we only shag the sheep in the carpark after sunset nasska so no one sees us. You Ekatahuna folks aren’t very smart to be honest. :)

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  109. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    That could explain it, Johnboy. Makes sense…. after all, you can’t be sure with the left footers. :P

    Either that, or some miserable sod has swapped your Gordons for white spirits.

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  110. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    But we’re straight up about it JB…..you city slickers really lay on the kink. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ub5vox42a8s5pqe/Sheep%2016.jpg

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  111. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Is there any truth in the rumour that HOBM and Petone are going to amalgamate this season so they can put up a half decent challenge to Wainui Elaycee? :)

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  113. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I think I bought her two double bourbons last saturday nasska! :)

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  114. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    Doubt it, Johnboy. You’d get better odds on seeing a pterodactyl flying down Woburn Road and stopping for a pint at the Belle Vue.

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  115. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Don’t write the rumour off to fast Elaycee. Once Gareth the Catkiller has evicted Petone from his new roundball stadium they will need someone to take them in! :)

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  116. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I think that group’s playing at the Fitzroy tomorrow night SPC. :)

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  117. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    Is there any truth to the rumours that

    1. Sheep famers will not allow Australians to work as shepherds on their farms
    2. Shearing gangs have to sign a contract to the effect they only touch sheep for the purposes of shearing them
    3. When famers complain of sheep theft, they really mean stealing of their affection
    4. That those farmers who convert their farm to dairying, keep some of the old flock for personal use – they have not gone bi-sexual for the cows with the big black booties on.

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  118. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    I meant to keep this to myself SPC but Johnboy’s been sighted wanking outside the Wainuiomata Butchery.

    Turns out he’s into bestiality & necrophilia. :)

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  119. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I have never, ever suggested Lucia was a cow SPC! :)

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  120. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    nasska, kea could have told johnboy that the OT instructs us not to mix the meats (a form of bisexuality) and to keep his blood away from the meat that he eats.

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  121. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    @JB: Petone Rec is another of Gareth’s kites. I doubt it’ll happen…. a purpose built stadium for the Phoenix? Nah. Besides, the WRU has already said “No, thanks” – the same with the Hurricanes. So they would have to go it alone.

    I suspect this is simply another Gareth brain fade that he wants to be able to drop on the table when the Phoenix contract is renewed at the Stadium. Anyway, wasn’t a condition of the Phoenix being accepted into the AFL that they would have a home ground that could seat 20,000?

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  122. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Not a prob Elaycee. Seeing as they are soccer fans that would be 10,000 on seats and the other 10,000 on their laps! :)

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  123. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    Haha – love it.

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  124. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    … the OT instructs us not to mix the meats..

    So multiple penetration is out with you then SPC?

    You wouldn’t last long in Wainui lad! :)

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  125. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Wainuiomations just do it different SPC. :)

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  126. freemark (554 comments) says:

    I say good on Craig. Wussel and all the other Communists spout so much shit to gain a few ticks by the uninformed and gullible that he needs to be called on it. Vote this comment up if you’ve been called racist, homophobic, misogynist or worse for trying to legitimately question or openly debate some current or historical topical issues with left leaning people…

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  127. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Night nasska. Night Elaycee. Night SPC. Night Lucia! :)
    Big kisses and upticks to all.

    Night Minus! :)

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  128. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I first became aware that Wainui was a frontier town when I witnessed the males taking their girlfriends for a walk along the sidelines of a rugby field. They would only let their girlfriends loose when an inter-team group conference occurred.

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  129. publicwatchdog (2,515 comments) says:

    Well – it will be fascinating tomorrow to see how many anonymous Kiwibloggers who agree that Auckland Mayor Len Brown should stand down, will actually ‘walk the talk’?

    LEN BROWN – STAND DOWN!

    Assemble 11.30am Britomart
    March starts 12 noon from Britomart
    March ends at Airedale Street

    I’ll be one of the speakers at the end of the march, focusing on how I think Auckland Mayor Len Brown crossed the line when he accepted undisclosed gifts from Sky City during a time that Sky City was an ‘item of business’ before Auckland Council, and Len Brown was supporting Sky City.

    Also I’ll be exposing how the Ernst and Young Report, did NOT follow the ‘due process’ as outlined in the Auckland Council Code of Conduct, s8 – Compliance:

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/governingbody/codeofconductelectedmembers.pdf

    8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel. The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive. The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board. Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required. ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.

    8.6. Procedures of the Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The Independent Panel will establish and notify standard procedures, fair to both complainants and respondents, which it will apply to the investigation and consideration of all complaints referred to it.

    8.7. Governing Body/Local Board Consideration

    In considering the Panel’s recommendation, the matter shall be considered with neither the complainant nor the respondent being entitled to participate in that item.

    8.8. Responses to Breaches of the Code

    To avoid doubt, a breach of the Code of Conduct does not constitute an offence under the Local Government Act 2002. The exact nature of the action the governing body/local boardmay take depends on the nature of the breach and whether there are statutory provisions dealing with the breach.

    Where there are statutory provisions:breaches relating to members’ interests may render members liable for prosecution by the Auditor-General under the Local Authority (Members’ Interests) Act 1968;

    breaches which result in the Council suffering financial loss or damage may be reported on by the Auditor-General under the Local Government Act 2002, which may result in the member having to make good the loss or damage;

    breaches relating to the commission of a criminal offence may leave the elected member liable for criminal prosecution.

    In these cases the governing body or local board may refer an issue to the relevant body, any member of the public may make a complaint to that body, or the Auditor-General or Police may take action of their own initiative.

    Where there are no statutory provisions, the governing body or local board may take the following action:censure;
    removal of the elected member from representative type bodies;dismissal of the elected member from a position as Chair or Deputy Chair of a committee.

    A decision to apply one or more of these actions requires a resolution to that effect.

    ……………..”
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Why did (former) Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, not follow this process?

    Upon what lawful authority did (former) Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, effectively make up his own process, and appoint his own people?

    (His statutory duties are enshrined in the Local Government Act 2002, s42

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

    42Chief executive

    (1)A local authority must, in accordance with clauses 33 and 34 of Schedule 7, appoint a chief executive.

    (2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

    (a)implementing the decisions of the local authority; and

    (b)providing advice to members of the local authority and to its community boards, if any; and

    (c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local
    authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and
    ………………………
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    That’s why I have made a formal complaint to Auckland Police, alleging ‘Contravention of Statute’, (s107 Crimes Act 1961), against (former) Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay.

    This complaint is currently being assessed by an Inspector attached to Auckland CIB.

    There will be more (but not much time – only got 4 minutes! :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner.

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

    (More background on this, and related issues can be found on http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz )

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  130. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    Everybody’s getting involved.

    This is a bad ass priest #euromaidan

    pic.twitter.com/xFWCvol10Z

    https://twitter.com/BSpringnote/statuses/436490988614201345

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  131. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I just had to log back in to give Penny her first one for tonight! :)

    Night all! :)

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  132. SPC (5,534 comments) says:

    Cowcockies take an way win over the sheep crusaders.

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  133. freemark (554 comments) says:

    I’ll be watching with interest Penny…but it’s not your non-paid Rates that are going on the Council Credit Card is it? I detect a fairly smelly whiff of self interest or worse you being a candidate n all..especially when I see you condoning and desperate to join all the the other bullshitting Leftie Troughers in the NZ Political scene…

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  134. big bruv (13,672 comments) says:

    “I’ll be one of the speakers at the end of the march,”

    Well that’s the end of that march being a success.

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  135. Steve (North Shore) (4,539 comments) says:

    Pay your Rates Penny and – oh fuck it, never mind

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  136. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    I say good on Craig. Wussel…

    Does anyone else just stop reading when someone is such a fucking pubescent child that they replace an R with a W and think they’re either being clever or making some kind of point?

    So depressing. The bodies and responsibilities of grown adults, the words and actions of children.

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  137. Harriet (4,758 comments) says:

    “…..If he wins[Craig], he also sends a shaft of fear into the heart of every politician and media organisation considering belittling and criticism without substances, and thereby lifts the general tone of political debate, for which even those who will never vote for him, will thank him….”

    Very good post Reid.

    Craig is far stronger than John Key. As Craig is also going to take all of Winston’s votes.

    The worst two time wasting loud mouths in parliment will then be silenced – by Mr Craig.

    John Key knows that – as he has failed to shut both of them up – no wonder he is now trying so hard to talk tough about Mr Craig’s legal actions – he doesn’t want to look weak compared to Mr Craig.

    Winston will sacrifice himself in the face of the public with lies ect so that National gets what they are fucken scared of – Mr Craig and the Conservatives – as Winny knows his voters are going there.

    If that is what his voters want – then Winny will deliver it – and walk away withy his pride intact!! :cool:

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  138. freemark (554 comments) says:

    “Does anyone else just stop reading when ….”

    Apparently not… interesting how rather than addressing the post about grossly dishonest comments by Clint’s sock puppet you focus on a well deserved (IMHO) textual caricature of a total fuckwit.

    Wyan..

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  139. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Apparently not… interesting how rather than addressing the post about grossly dishonest comments by Clint’s sock puppet you focus on a well deserved (IMHO) textual caricature of a total fuckwit.

    If you want grown-ups to address your points, speak like a grown-up. Others manage to point out Green Party flaws without talking like children. Follow their example. And if you can’t find an example of adult comments to emulate, be a good example yourself.

    But off the top of my head, look to Fletch, Kimble and Lucia Maria for examples of right-wingers who can make their points without acting like 14-year-olds.

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  140. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Here you go Ryan – something to cheer you up:

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  141. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Oh, Scott, you know just what to say.

    Here’s one for you.

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  142. freemark (554 comments) says:

    “But off the top of my head, look to Fletch, Kimble and Lucia Maria for examples of right-wingers who can make their points without acting like 14-year-olds.”
    So, once again no ability to address the comment, let’s divert by having a go at the delivery etc. Sure you are on the right blog?
    It never ceases to amaze me how the blind zealots rush en mass to defend their idols, disregarding all the evidence of corruption, dishonesty & hypocrisy.
    Gween thupporter are you Wyan, dethpewately defending Wuthel with online fellation?
    Fuckwit.

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  143. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Case in point.

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