General Debate 2 February 2014

February 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. All_on_Red (1,742 comments) says:

    Daniel Hannon telling us what we always knew. For the Left, it’s not about helping the poor but hurting the rich
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100257586/labour-supporters-admit-it-taxes-are-to-punish-the-rich-not-to-raise-revenue/

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  2. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei has claimed racism and sexism and that National have been very mean to her and have singled her out.

    I’ve analysed the speeches and debates in Parliament this week and apart from Anne Tolley’s wee dig at her Turei seems to have been left out rather than included in the jousting.

    Was her indignation spontaneous taking of offence?

    Or is it contrived attention seeking?

    In any case Metiria doth protest too much methinks.

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  3. All_on_Red (1,742 comments) says:

    Poor wee diddums. Maybe some retail therapy would cheer her up. Buy another jacket.That or a fourth Pork chop.

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  4. Keeping Stock (9,373 comments) says:

    Thank goodness work has started on the Kapiti Expressway, and will be far enough advanced by the election that it will continue even if (God forbid) there’s a change of government. Few of the motorists who yesterday took almost an hour to get from the southern end of Paraparaumu to Otaihanga would disagree…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/why-kapiti-expressway-is-needed.html

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  5. flipper (4,328 comments) says:

    It is a sign of the times, perhaps, that there are five or six female MP’s who dress to a generally high standard — Collins, Parata, Tolley, Turei, Jo Hayes (new), and, sometimes Adhern.

    The standard exhibited by the others is appalling, Labours female sasquatches in particular.
    Oh well, they are probably trying to emulate Mabel “bloomers” Howard. :-)

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  6. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Income equality…. relative poverty…. (puke)…

    I know this is dead-set obvious and preaching to the choir on here, but still….

    Send these braindead blubber bums to a slum in India, a favela in Brazil or a shanty town in Soweto.

    When you’ve got no fuckin power and fetching ya water, get back to me.

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  7. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    3 News are promising surprises in their first poll of the year. They may be trying to talk up their 6pm news tonight but the timing of the poll hasn’t been great for Cunliffe and Labour, who had a calamitous week.

    Is that why Turei was trying to attract Green attention?

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  8. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    I don’t want to put the mockers on them but is there any co-relation between Gareth keeping mum and the Phoenix winning? Could be my imagination, but nevertheless for the slightly superstitious it would be great if Gareth keeps his yap shut until after the finals.

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  9. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei – is Maori. And a woman.

    Did being Maori give her an advantage in becoming co-leader ? Being a woman certainly increased her chances straight away. Party policy. One man, one woman as co-leaders.

    It’s funny how most Green list members were or are whities that only wish they were Maori, and feel jipped by being born the wrong skin colour. So out of all of that white milk, the cream that rose to the top ? Just happened to be Maori. Wink wink !!

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  10. duggledog (1,620 comments) says:

    The poll will show Nats governing alone!

    Turei is as Maori as my ass. She uses it to gain traction, but that traction is lost now that the $2,000 jacket thing has sunk through the permafrost. It’ll define her now, like Shane Jones and porn.

    Speaking of which, SJ says Ngapuhi kids make up half of those in CYFS care…?

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  11. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9675651/Supermarket-gets-big-ban-for-booze-shocker

    That’s the downside of letting braindead retards sell piss….

    And while we’re on the topic… my mind boggles at this local rag advert logic….

    Kilbirnie pak n save ‘back to school savings’. Heineken 24 pack and Whitecliff Selection wine.

    Um…. back to school…. beer and wine….. well you’ve got me. Are the kids getting boozed up at lunch now or something ?

    And one more just for good measure – the idiots at my local supermarket asked for ID – and I was thirty fucking five at the time. Wow. You know that I’m going to tell you that I just kept on arguing with them until they gave in and just sold it to me with no ID.

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  12. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    You would be very interested to read Fairfax Media community publication “Feilding Herald”. It is courting another Labour academic loser, Dr Deborah Russell, standing in the Rangitikei electorate against Ian McKelvie. She states that Labour is not for farmers and large business but the community. Rangitikei is farmer/large business dependant, and doing exceptionally well, so where does this foolish woman think she is going get votes from. Sickly Josie Pagani got her arse well and truly kicked in 2011 when she appealed to the bludgers and envious, so hopefully this will be another failed socialist in the making. Don’t these losers ever learn, envy, bribery, and lies do not win hard working and successful people’s votes.

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  13. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    The first major opinion poll of the election year will be out on Sunday, and it suggests the 2014 general election will be one of the most closely fought in New Zealand history.

    Political Editor Patrick Gower says it reveals “a truly fascinating political situation.”

    “We have never recorded a result like this before. But it still reflects an entirely possible election night result.

    “This poll will shock some of our politicians. This will really shake things up as we start election year.”

    That seems a bit contradictory. If the poll suggests a very closely fought election it wouldn’t be a surprise, that’s expected.

    Small parties bounce around so shouldn’t be shocked.

    If it’s tight National must still have a decent dollop of support.

    The only shocking result I can think of is that Greens have taken a big chunk of Labour’s support.

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  14. wiseowl (974 comments) says:

    LRC.
    What do the United Nations say about these countries??

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  15. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    90 minutes into GD today and no-one (at this stage) has resorted to sentences of bold font / CAPS to try and make their point.

    How refreshing.

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  16. Reid (16,682 comments) says:

    Outstanding call from Shane Jones:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9675650/Address-Maori-male-violence-says-MP

    Iwi leaders tended not to see Maori crime as their problem, something he described as “a cancerous miscalculation”.

    “They are in a position of privilege and that privilege carries obligations,” he said. “Jobs and industry are desperately needed, however equally important is our duty to censure and challenge the misery of Māori male violence.”

    Ngapuhi chief executive George Riley said they had long ago acknowledged they had a problem, with Ngapuhi men disproportionately represented in violence statistics, but were working to address the issue.

    “The violence which permeates society broadly and which is reflected in statistics back to Ngapuhi is anathema to our board and to our old people,” he said.

    Ngapuhi children made up about half the children in Child Youth and Family care, he said, while many Ngapuhi members had also left the region not only for better opportunities but to move away from the violence “that’s perpetrated by ourselves on ourselves”.

    “So we cannot resile from Shane’s comments. Our leadership is trying really hard to do things.”

    The iwi had signed a memorandum of understanding with CYF and had decreased the number of Ngapuhi children in state care from about 500 this time last year to about 300 now, he said.

    They had also adopted the Maori Party’s Whanau Ora model and were working with Ngapuhi men to promote their role within their families as caretakers of their whanau.

    They were also looking into a programme in conjunction with the Youth Court which would see them working with young offenders, and with those about to be released into society, to help find them jobs and homes and try to prevent them from reoffending.

    “I think that is where much of our effective work can be done, not so much in terms of sending statements via the media or to individuals about their behaviours, they would regret them themselves as soon as they were sober or drug free.”

    Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell questioned the timing of the comments and said addressing violence among Maori was the responsibility of a number of groups including iwi leaders, the state and whanau.

    Placing all the responsibility on one group or sector “is to isolate the issue”.

    “You can’t have iwi leaders being involved inside bedrooms or in homes where we’ve got to take responsibility as whanau.”

    Sadly I predict they won’t get anywhere until they strike at the root cause of it. And I predict that won’t happen simply because most of them, both young and the elders, mis-identify the root cause. Most of them really do believe the lies that have been fed to them over the past three decades: that they are where they are because they’ve been oppressed for centuries by the evil pakeha.

    Until they get past that collective belief they will never strike at the root of this issue, which is in fact a learned helplessness passed on through the generations that they’re stupid and they deserve to live in a tin shack on family land and drink and smoke dak and take out their anger on their kids until they die an early death, just like their parents and just like their grandparents, on both sides.

    Until they learn that the only reason “white folks” don’t live in tin shacks beside them is because “white folks” pay attention to their kids education and love them unconditionally, they will never make traction on this issue and their young will continue to think to themselves they’re victims and “white folks” deserve what they get because they’ve oppressed me and my people.

    But that won’t happen, unless and until the iwi leaders start calling out politicians like Hone and Flavell on their bullshit and start preventing their own maraes from serving as conference centres for endless rounds of revenge talk from the disaffected and dispossessed.

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  17. jp_1983 (236 comments) says:

    dotcom’s ‘party’will register is my prediction 2%

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  18. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    The joys and benefits of immigration and multiculturalism and the diversity it brings us.

    Rebekah Dawson daughter of a jamaican drug smuggler and convert to Islam gets “accomodation” for face veil in a British court.

    When will the west stand up for its own superior values over barbarianism?

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/457359/How-British-the-justice-system-lost-out-to-Islamic-extremism

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  19. gravedodger (1,575 comments) says:

    LR&C I understand your message but spare a thought for the licencee, in your case P&S.
    Got a good mate running a rural Pub full service and under a bit of pressure with the bottom line.
    The bloody Nazis go into his bar in mufti then when chaos gets to 9.9 the C**ts send their bait out around to his bottle store to buy a bottle of spirits, she, and it is always a she is just under age but made up and dressed to act and appear low to mid 20s and then they can jump on him.
    Think how stressful it is now with those goddamned sachets of vodka, that same bait can hide in the nether regions of his bar supposedly sober, drinking lime and soda, slipping sachets into each glass then doing him for serving drunks when not a drop of alcohol has been included in a transaction all night.
    I am an overstayer, ie over 3 score and 10 and being asked for ID is just a failsafe policy to avoid entrapment. No exclusions and yet stolen or false ID will still result in loss of a days trading for a first offence.

    Look at the average IQ of those who the Licencee depends on to make judgement calls on their behalf, add in the very serious penalties and be tolerant.

    Of course a sixteen yearold outside the P&S, spewing their guts into the gutter and who is the bogy, nah not the perp, not those who assisted with it becoming legless, just blame the holder of the licence nearest and something is being done. Nothing to do with that licencee having money, assetts, being in a fixed place and a dropdead easy target.

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  20. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    wiseowl – I can’t be arsed playing twenty questions mate. Just make a point while it’s still Sunday.

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  21. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    Reid

    Thanks; go Shane Jones.

    One thing he didn’t mention is that ‘Maori’ Academics are also part of the problem; it suits them to be anti-white. Being perceived as being both ‘Educated’ and ‘successful’ , they are of course looked up to by ‘the proles’ within the tribe and as a result what they say is revered. Ngapuhi seem to be especially afflicted by this inclination, although Ngati-Porou seem to have some of their own who are so -inclined.

    Change THOSE viewpoints, and remove the individuals-concerned from their exalted perches. then you may have the start of progress. Until then, it’s highly unlikely.

    Too many self-interests……

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  22. Graham Sharpe (6 comments) says:

    “It is baffling, I must say, that in our modern world we have such blind trust in science and technology that we all accept what science tells us about everything – until, that is, it comes to climate science.”

    This is a quote from Prince Charles as reported in the Grauniad this weekend. Note that he relies on science to back his views on climate change. This is in contrast to his support of SCAM (So Called Alternative Medicine) where he completley denies scientific evidence, and uses his positon to attack and undermine indiviuals such as Prfessor Ernst at Exeter University.

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  23. duggledog (1,620 comments) says:

    I predict (along with a prediction the big surprise tonight is a massive leap in the polls for National) that in response to Shane Jones’ article, Peter Sharples will say:

    ‘It’s about whanau, it’s about mana, and it’s about understanding” with some other meaningless ‘it’s about’s’. That’s about all the guy ever says.

    Hone Harawira will then visit Naples using white motherf***ers money.

    Ngapuhi have always been hated by the other tribes because when they got the white man’s guns they went and settled some old scores.

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  24. lilman (973 comments) says:

    The green leader is a strong confident and capable leader who fights for equality,honesty and the downtrodden . Pity she isn’t as passionate about all the children living in poverty ,struggling with crime and substance abuse al at the hands of their caregivers.
    Still she has to deal with the jacket issue first I suppose.

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  25. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    kowtow (6,221 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 9:42 am
    The joys and benefits of immigration and multiculturalism and the diversity it brings us.

    Rebekah Dawson daughter of a jamaican drug smuggler and convert to Islam gets “accomodation” for face veil in a British court.

    When will the west stand up for its own superior values over barbarianism?

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/457359/How-British-the-justice-system-lost-out-to-Islamic-extremism

    Kowtow, I share your concern regarding the great harm done to society by religion. It is remarkable that in 2014 NZ we have temples built to worship violent sadistic mythological beings from the Middle East and people think nothing of it ! Of course the greatest harm emerges from the conflicts between very similar but competing cults.

    ——————————————————-
    Jewish extremists attack Baptist Church in Jerusalem

    The Baptist Church in west Jerusalem has been attacked by Jewish extremists. Anti-Christian slogans were scrawled on the walls and three vehicles belonging to the church had their tyres slashed. The deeply offensive Hebrew graffiti included, “We will crucify you” and “Death to Christianity”; profanities about Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, and his mother Mary were also written.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/3445-jewish-extremists-attack-baptist-church-in-jerusalem

    Jerusalem Christians are latest targets in recent spate of ‘price tag’ attacks
    Attack on Baptist Congregation marks the latest in series of attacks targeting Muslim, Christian and leftist institutions in Jerusalem over last two months.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jerusalem-christians-are-latest-targets-in-recent-spate-of-price-tag-attacks-1.413848

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  26. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    After complaining about her castle being mentioned in Parliament a couple of days ago and saying it should be off limits Metiria Turei has now opened it up to everyone – or at least to NZ Herald who displays it to everyone.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11195535

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  27. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Christian cemetery targeted in ‘price tag’ attack

    Stars of David and ‘revenge’ spray-painted on graveyard in Jaffa

    Graffiti on the church’s walls read “Christians are monkeys” and were signed “Havat Maon,” the name of a West Bank outpost.

    Read more: Christian cemetery targeted in ‘price tag’ attack | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/christian-cemetery-targeted-in-price-tag-attack/#ixzz2s6ei1pHw
    Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

    In both church attacks, the vandals spray-painted slogans denouncing Christianity, Jesus and Mary, such as “Jesus is dead,” “Death to Christianity” and “Mary was a prostitute.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jerusalem-christians-are-latest-targets-in-recent-spate-of-price-tag-attacks-1.413848

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  28. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    gravedodger – I know what you mean – it’s just one of those small things. It’s happened to me at one shop in Wellington. On one occasion. Once ever. No biggie. I don’t even buy alcohol. I think I bought zero in 2013. Every other place I’ve never had a problem.

    But because I’m the kind of prick that enjoys going into minute pointless detail – it’s just one of those quirks of life. They don’t ask everyone for ID. Some people – ooooo – they’re clearly old as fuck – no problem.

    Yeah – they should ask everyone for ID no matter what age. And I know full well that under the laws they can ask anyone to produce ID or refuse to sell to them. But they don’t always ask. And they’re allowed to do that. And I’m allowed to if I want – make a scene like a little bitch until I get my way with the attitude that I was at the time almost twice the minimum age, and I knew that the longer that they stood there arguing – looking at my face – my manner – my speech patterns – my hairline. I’ll tell you what mate – the way I was going I left no-one in any doubt that I wasn’t some pissant 18 year old.

    Even the initial self-checkout young woman in the end said ‘I know you’re older than 18′. Well then – what’s the problem ?

    So why didn’t they stick to their guns and refuse the sale ? Because the old heads there knew a million percent there was no way in hell I could possibly be fucking seventeen or younger. Ge-zuzz faaaaarking Chrooooizz :) :)

    I had PMS because I’d just turned 35 too – the irony of getting even older and asked for ID – didn’t help.

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  29. All_on_Red (1,742 comments) says:

    Reid and Komata
    Well said

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  30. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    Hold onto your coffee.

    Miss Beatrice, the church organist, was in her eighties and had never been married. She was admired for sweetness and kindness to all. One afternoon the pastor came to call on her and she showed him into her quaint sitting room. She invited him to have a seat while she prepared tea. As he sat facing her old pump organ, the young minister noticed a cut-glass bowl sitting on top of it. The bowl was filled with water. In the water floated, of all things, a condom! When she returned with tea and scones, they began to chat. The pastor tried to stifle his curiosity about the bowl of water and its strange floater, but soon it got the better of him and he could no longer resist. “Miss Beatrice”, he said, “I wonder if you would tell me about this?” pointing to the bowl. “Oh, yes” she replied, “isn’t it wonderful? I was walking through the park a few months ago and I found this little package on the ground. The directions said to place it on the organ, keep it wet and that it would prevent the spread of disease. Do you know I haven’t had the flu all winter!”

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  31. wiseowl (974 comments) says:

    No need to be so tetchy LR&C.
    You are right about how lucky we are compared to many other countries that really do have poverty and treat their people like shit.
    Was just biting because of reports that Collins has been at the UN reporting on our domestic abuse for some bloody reason and then we have some Labour Party raver chirping in with the ‘p’ word again(poverty) and saying how we have to do better.
    Time to tell the UN to PO.

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  32. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Matt McCarten –
    The 130,000 uncounted unemployed are officially invisible.
    As such, they don’t get a penny. The billion dollars they should be getting to survive keeps the government books nicely inflated.
    It’s not only cynically dishonest, but heartlessly cruel.
    Only totalitarian regimes get away with this.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11195559

    What?

    For any Election promise to mean squat, all parties should have basic facts – like how may unemployed there actually are and how many are living in “poverty” and what that is defined as. In fact what does any economic statement in Parliament mean without this simple base line information? And supposedly it is there in departments like Work and Income, where there must be defined number on the rolls.

    Without base information – from, say, the Children’s Commissioner, questioned and checked by authorities – policies like Cunliffe’s last week are fucking meaningless.

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  33. wat dabney (3,840 comments) says:

    Teenage scribblers like McCarten interrupt their fifth wank of the day upstairs in their bedroom in their parent’s house to write infantile crap like that, and the Herald thinks people are going to pay for it?

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  34. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    Cheap flights are luring droves of families on holidays during school term time – to college principals’ despair.

    oh dear the educators have a new whipping boy.

    apparently we should all take our holidays when they do.
    No thanks, who would want to be fraternizing with those types.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9675647/Pupils-pay-heavy-price-for-cheap-holidays

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  35. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    “Income equality…. relative poverty…. (puke)…
    I know this is dead-set obvious and preaching to the choir on here, but still….
    Send these braindead blubber bums to a slum in India, a favela in Brazil or a shanty town in Soweto.
    When you’ve got no fuckin power and fetching ya water, get back to me.”

    I’ve been saying this all along L,R&C- There is NO freaking ‘child poverty’ in New Zealand!
    Mum spending all her DPB money on Pokies and Woodstock Bourbon and not feeding the kids is NOT ‘Child Poverty’.
    It is simply shithouse parenting- and the legacy of Governments paying losers to breed…

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  36. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Elaycee
    Unfortunately the “no bold font” today only lasted until 10am.
    And the worst offender hasn’t posted on today’s General Debate as yet.

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  37. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Wat dabney
    I share you lack of confidence in the veracity of Matt McCarten’s “contribution”
    but my point is that anyone ought to be able to say
    “Krap! Refer to the Official Election Year Joint Statement of Economy, Employment and Poverty!”

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  38. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    So big bruv might be right.

    Cricket tops rugby.

    New Zealand Cricket has pocketed the biggest payday in New Zealand sport with broadcast rights from this year’s Indian tour understood to be worth in excess of $35 million.

    And in a new twist to the controversial “big three” takeover of the International Cricket Council by India, England and Australia in Dubai last week, NZC chief executive David White emphatically rejected any suggestion the lucrative Indian tours will soon dry up, instead hinting a scheduled visit by them here in 2019 would be confirmed within a matter of weeks along with tours by “all the big countries”.

    White confirmed to Fairfax Media that broadcast rights for the present Indian tour were worth more than the then record $25m that NZC banked from the Indians’ last visit here in 2009. He would not provide a figure but knowledgeable sources told Fairfax it is more than $35m.

    Painful for some I’d guess. :lol:

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  39. calendar girl (1,258 comments) says:

    “… the idiots at my local supermarket asked for ID – and I was thirty fucking five at the time.”

    I have an elderly friend whom I’ve seen produce her Gold Card approaching the local Countdown checkout. the operator was not impressed (still summoned the supervisor to clear the sale).

    We now live in a society where the words “judgement” and “discretion” are almost superfluous.

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  40. Paulus (2,707 comments) says:

    It now appears for Labour that you have to be a Dr of the PhD Female variety now make to be eligible for pre selection.
    Not a Medical Doctor but a faux university exam one.
    After all Wussel has one on the Values Party of New Zealand, so must be capable of sweet f.a.

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  41. marcw (259 comments) says:

    C girl, production of ID and clearing the sale are two different things. At Countdown, ALL alcohol sales must be cleared by a supervisor, even when ID is not required or requested.

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  42. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    What a joke, not a lot of logical reasoning demonstrated in the arrogant comments of the Auckland tax lawyer, yes Judy the justice system is working real well!! and it shows what a great idea it was to dispense with the PC for current cases. Time to establish a Criminal Cases Review Commission to sort out the rotten mess that is the justice system we have in NZ.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9670165/Teina-Pora-gets-Privy-Council-appeal

    Justice Minister Judith Collins said the decision showed the justice system was working.

    “What it shows is the matter is still before the courts and the system actually works very well,” she said.

    “The decision from the Privy Council is simply that Mr Pora has been granted leave to appeal and so we now will go through the process and see what the decision is from that.”

    She said she could “not possibly” comment on why the Privy Council made its decision.

    “I think it suggests that the Privy Council has found enough for them to be interested in looking further and that’s quite a right thing to do if that’s what they decide.”

    Pora did have an application in with the minister to consider granting a pardon.

    A spokeperson from Collins’ office said that application had been placed on hold at the request of Pora’s lawyers, while they pursued a Privy Council hearing.

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  43. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    Kilbirnie pak n save ‘back to school savings’. Heineken 24 pack and Whitecliff Selection wine.

    Um…. back to school…. beer and wine….. well you’ve got me. Are the kids getting boozed up at lunch now or something ?

    I think it is for the parents to celebrate now that the state child minding service is in operation again and the little buggers wont be getting in the way and demanding things like, well, food and attention.

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  44. MH (830 comments) says:

    Well that’s the final nail in Nats Key Coaitions’s coffin,155 demerits by UN’s Universal perioddical review,mainly in relation to domestic rather than foreign violence,it makes you want to thump someone. S’pose Herr Hel- on- wheels read the report on the way to the Super Bowl in her limo. 10 more points and we have no chance on the Security Council and our plans to invade Fiji.

    Pubs and clubs in fringe areas need surveillance cameras to thwart the crook patrons,bit intrusive but thems the breaks,along with keeping an eye on staff slippages almost mandatory.

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  45. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    Judith Collins is outstanding- The best MP in the country Rowan! I love her commitment to keeping criminal scum behind bars.
    I can’t for the life of me figure out why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder about her…

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  46. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    What a sad life my downtick stalker must have. Clustered around five at a time as usual.

    How can anyone be so unbelievably fucking pathetic ? I’m assuming this is an adult doing it. Fucking hell. Really ? What a total loser !!

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  47. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller – It falls into that wonderful category called ‘dumb shit that you see too much that really doesn’t make a lot of sense to anyone with two or more braincells to kiss each other’.

    Someone had to ok that advert. Here’s eight products and prices which is a standing weekly advert – oh and also a new school term is starting. Cool.

    The whole point of the ad is simply so you don’t forget they exist. And then school is back so – we’ll call the weekly advert back to school savings – huh ? Ah forget it. Weirdos.

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  48. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    “Judith Collins is outstanding- The best MP in the country”

    LK
    Thanks for the laugh, you really are a simpleton if you believe crap like that. I have never seen any reasoning behind any of your posts, would you care to elaborate, or are you only capable of posting vague generalisations?

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  49. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    You know what would give the votes a bit of credibility ? If everyone could see who voted by clicking on the number.

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  50. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    What a sad life my downtick stalker must have.

    LRC, They have nothing to refute your erudite nuggets of wisdom. Their diminished intellect confines them to impotently hitting the down vote when ever they are confronted with something they don’t – want – to believe. :)

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  51. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    List MPs –

    What’s the point of having a system with list MPs, and then telling them that nothing they say counts because they are ‘second class’ having not won an electorate seat ?

    My answer: When you give a party your party vote, you also vote preferences for their list candidates. So the buggers get voted in by you. Not party dribble dicks. Go on – shit all over that you sons of bitches :)

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  52. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    LRC, They have nothing to refute your erudite nuggets of wisdom.

    I just stick the keyboard under my arse and wriggle around. Whatever comes out goes on the screen…..

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  53. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    I just stick the keyboard under my arse and wriggle around. Whatever comes out goes on the screen…..

    LRC, oh so you have given your heart to Jeeeeeeeeeeesus then ?

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  54. RichardX (330 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (2,238 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 12:03 pm
    What a sad life my downtick stalker must have. Clustered around five at a time as usual.

    The only time I bother to downtick someone is when they whinge about the getting downticks
    Are you posting because you think people agree with you or do you stand by your post based on its merits?

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  55. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Can one of the bleeding heart wankers please tell me why this POS should not be shot/gassed/hung?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9670303/Boston-bombing-accused-faces-death-penalty

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  56. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Longknives 10:44am – yeah – poverty is when you can only buy that Ranfurly crap :)

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  57. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    RichardX – if you started getting 20 downticks on every comment – would you think that was a bit odd ?

    It’s not the downticks – it’s the weirdo loser with multiple accounts that’s doing them.

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  58. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    LRC, oh so you have given your heart to Jeeeeeeeeeeesus then ?

    I worship my own personal saviours the Lord Gods Adam and Steve. We’re going to rock out while the sinners burn baby burn disco inferno style in flares for men and hot pants for the chickkies.

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  59. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    how could you not rate judith collins?

    dime thinks he is in love with her.

    a great PM she will make.

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  60. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    LRC, you can predict what will receive up ticks or down ticks very easily.

    The most down ticks I get are when I reveal the perfect word of GOD with bible quotes or quote the commentary of GODS chosen ones expressed through the words of a learned Rabbi. Usually those ticks will come from Christians who revere the Jews !

    Confused ? So are they :)

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  61. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    LRC, you can predict what will receive up ticks or down ticks very easily.

    Dude. It’s my sad moron stalker. It’s obvious. Prove me wrong. And if I’m wrong – I’m glad to be wrong. I’m not.

    dime – yeah – she’d make a pretty good extra LaZyboy in the lounge eh ?

    How do you spell Lazyboy ? I don’t know without looking. Grip onto that hair and do some serious ‘reclining’.

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  62. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    Execute the Boston bomber?

    Can’t do that. Rolling Stone magazine says he’s an all American boy.That’s why.

    Multiculturalism is great, innit?

    Our PM says so.

    It’s so enriching at sports events, transport links or when you’re an off duty drummer!

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  63. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    “Can one of the bleeding heart wankers please tell me why this POS should not be shot/gassed/hung?”

    Because Rolling Stone magazine (and it’s brainless lefty readership) think he is a dreamy ‘Rock Star’ sex symbol….

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  64. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    “how could you not rate judith collins?
    dime thinks he is in love with her.
    a great PM she will make.”

    Get in line Dime!!

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  65. Reid (16,682 comments) says:

    Metewia displays typical lefty delusion and arrogance, assuming they have a monopoly on basic human compassion.

    So, one question remains to draw a line under this sorry dispute: does she regret accusing the National ministers of racism?

    Uh-uh. “I have absolutely no regrets for naming that elitism and that sexism and that racism,” she retorted. “I have no regrets for calling them out.

    “I don’t care what they look like. I don’t care what they wear. I just really wish they were genuinely compassionate for the people who need them.

    How does she know they aren’t “genuinely compassionate?” She doesn’t, of course. She just assumes people who don’t advocate her particular brand of galloping delusional mentalism, aren’t. It’s a shame the journos are so steeped in leftism themselves they don’t think to ask lefties that question when they spew out those lies. The responses would be illuminating.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11195535

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  66. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Kowtow, could you enlighten us on your Aryan master race pedigree.?
    PS The multicultural society is hear to stay.The US with it’s melting pot over the generations since it’s foundation demonstates it’s great success.Here also in Auckland where .e.g a fantastic mix of aspiring marrieds white,Asian, brown walking hand in hand ,smooching etc..
    Naturally this would peeve the likes of Kylie Chapman and his comical RWR and others.
    Possibly you as well.?

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  67. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    All the votes tell you is (1) Name is spotted. Instant up / down vote. (2) Mindless random up / down votes. (3) Idiot with multiple accounts can only get hard-ons when behaving like total loser (4) Genuine comment approval or disapproval based on something other than what kind of twat typed the comment.

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  68. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,551 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    I think you understand full well Judith Collins undoubted and indisputable talents .A person who has the rational and skeptical presence of mind , who stands back and thinks hard whenever a skewed and error ridden judicial report is placed before her.Not a bandwagon or media circus hopper this one.

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  69. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Oh noes! – pussiefication.

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  70. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Fuck off Dime!

    I have been hot for Judith for a lot longer than you have.

    She is all mine mate.

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  71. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    bruv – thats what my brother said!

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  72. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    stephie

    No need to play the race card old boy.

    I have no problems with a multi ethnic society (within reason) .

    Multicultural is a vastly diffrent kettle of fish.

    You are a fool to cite the American “melting pot” as a good example of multiculturalism. The point and success of the melting pot was they became Americans.Today that model is endangered by Hispanics and others who insist on being Spanish,demanding services in Spanish etc.

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  73. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    “Kowtow, could you enlighten us on your Aryan master race pedigree.?”

    Yes Kowtow. It is about time you established your credibility on this one Herr SS-Obergruppenführer.

    File photo of Kowtow

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2008-0276%2C_Hans_Heinrich_Lammers.jpg/416px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2008-0276%2C_Hans_Heinrich_Lammers.jpg

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  74. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Kowtow,

    Could you elaborate the “within reason bit” ?

    And just how multiculturalism and multi ethic are actually distinct.?

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  75. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    Reid

    You’re being very cruel about Metira…..she has the ability to light up a room.

    Just by moving away from the window. :)

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  76. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    stephieboy, sometimes the old and tested methods are the best for determining these important things.

    children would be told to stand at the front of the class, whilst teachers pointed to their eyes, ears, nose, mouth and hair; comparing these to characteristics on Nazi propaganda sheets. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded features to determine whether students belonged to the true Aryan race.

    http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/ks3/life-in-nazi-occupied-europe/impact-on-jewish-communities/education-the-jewish-experience/#.Uu2RRdKSz_Y

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  77. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Stiffy
    If you want to look at an error ridden judicial report on the Bain case have a read of the 2003 Court of Appeal decision released by Justice Tipping. There are around 70 errors of fact, incorrect assumptions and speculation, roughly one per paragraph or one per line. 2 of the biggest being that Robin ‘couldn’t’ have committed suicide based on the location of the ‘exit wound’ in his head and the 3 points on which any reasonable jury “would convict” which were all rubbish and apart from the fingerprints (in which the science behind was grossly misrepresented by the crown to both juries) the other two were barely part of the crown case at the retrial.
    Talk about playing judge and jury with the evidence you don’t understand.
    Maybe you should become a COA or Supreme Court Lawyer Stiffie, or one her academic hired guns like Fisher and Kristy McDonald so you can do likewise.
    Fishers report was an academic written to perscription hatchet job with the purpose of finding fault with the Binnie report, he didn’t even study any of the evidence, It is a joke! comparing the two reports its very easy to spot who is the academic incompetent.

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  78. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    The irony in Turei’s race card bullshit is that the only reason she is nominally co-leader of the melons is that she is Maori and female. It certainly has nothing to do with anything between her ears.

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  79. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    If you want to look at an error ridden judicial report on the Bain case

    Don’t you mean Binnie’s report Rowan?

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  80. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Anyway Stiffy
    My original post wasn’t a discussion on the Bain case and it was actually about Collins saying how our the Pora PC decision shows that the NZ Justice system is ‘working’. Much like her stance on a CCRC? Putting aside Bain, Do you think that the PC decision shows that the NZ Justice system is working? or that the PC should have been dispensed with?

    DVM
    If I meant the Binnie report I would have said so! try reading the Tipping one, it is rubbish, but I suppose you like Stiffy know better than the 5 law lords who saw it for what it was.

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  81. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Jesus wept! Do we have to have another thread ruined by the bleats of the desperate?
    Please Noooooooooooooo….

    FWIW… I’ve only dealt with Minister Collins in a professional capacity so my experiences are limited. But make no mistake… she is sharp and in the matters we discussed (across several meetings), she knew and understood the (complex) issues well. ‘Nuff said.

    I reckon anyone who tries to paint an alternate picture of Judith Collins, is either motivated by an opposing political view, or they are just poo faced about decisions she has made.

    And on both accounts: Unlucky. :)

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  82. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Rowan

    As it happens I agree with the PC and think the COA got it wrong.

    That is not to say however, that DB has a snowballs chance in hell of getting even a brass razoo or that RB killed his family.

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  83. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Robum ( if you like and persist in name calling. ),
    irrespective of the alleged errors in the CA 2003 that did nor prevent Binnie making the equivalent number in,cluding failing to pull Bain up on the inconistent and contradictory accounts of his actions e.g stating on one hand that he loved his fahther then hating him on the other,stating he had a blackout on discovering the bodies yet recounting to Binnie in great deal what confronted him at the crime scene. Then there is the risable cock and bull story about Mark Buckley and the deviant act with the goat.There is much,much more including the basic errors of fact some 60 of which the police picked up on of which have given account of to you before .
    Then there is more ,like Binnie getting it wrong about the alarm clock radio ( they were in fact separate ) and a crucial error at that.Then, of course, the empty 10 shot magazine. Not to speak of failing to follow his mandate and job description, if you will.My understanding of the substance PC decision was the chance for a Jury to hear the incest allegations excluded in the 1995 trial. Allegations of which Binnie interestingly discounted.Now that’s pause for some ral thought.!

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  84. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    If only the goat could speak. :)

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  85. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Robum , clarify please.?
    The Privy Council read the Binnie report.??

    Elaycee , it’s my opinion that Judith Collins did display her stature and astuteness in rejecting the Binnie report.This when there was a great deal of pressure to do otherwise.
    Her actions re Pora case might be open to criticisms but at least she doesn’t do things on a whim or whenever there is a media frenzy or clamour.

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  86. Zapper (1,048 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moJ7j86MyWw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmoJ7j86MyWw&app=desktop

    This is a Greens Senator in Australia asking why the government doesn’t have a TV show about protecting the border from boats, when they do have a show about Border Security at the Airport and that show Sea Patrol…and then watch the panic build as she realises Sea Patrol isn’t real.

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  87. calendar girl (1,258 comments) says:

    marcw@11:14 – “At Countdown, ALL alcohol sales must be cleared by a supervisor, even when ID is not required or requested.”

    As I said: We now live in a society where the words “judgement” and “discretion” are almost superfluous.

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  88. wikiriwhis business (4,192 comments) says:

    Judith Collins is railing against Teina Pora as well?

    she’s only showing herself as one dimensional and shallow to the extreme and betraying an agenda

    that is obviously evil and derogatory to justice.

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  89. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Act heads in a new direction:

    Writer and philosopher Jamie Whyte is Act’s new leader and David Seymour will be the party’s candidate in Epsom at the election later this year.

    The decision was made by the Act board today and is due to be officially announced at 3 pm.

    Thoughts?

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  90. wikiriwhis business (4,192 comments) says:

    ‘children would be told to stand at the front of the class, whilst teachers pointed to their eyes, ears, nose, mouth and hair; comparing these to characteristics on Nazi propaganda sheets. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded features to determine whether students belonged to the true Aryan race.’

    This happned in America as well pre war. A lot of Nazi protocol came from the US. The Nazi Party was also funded by
    US corporates. Which is why Germany came from nowhere and impoverishment to a world super power of the time.

    No one has actually answered how Germany could do that because it would lead to some heavy guilt to present day dignitaries and how they acquired their inheritances.

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  91. wikiriwhis business (4,192 comments) says:

    Elaycee

    Judith Collins is trained to the script. She is not ingenius.

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  92. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Stiffy
    The police representation present did not have any problem with the questions asked by Binnie or the answers David gave. It was also the last thing that Binnie did so he had already done the majority of his report based on the evidence before meeting David. The police were hardly likely to accept the criticism of them, their response was of a similar quality to the 1997 PCA investigation aimed at discrediting the allegations against them. Mark Buckleys evidence is about as plausible as the ‘goat’ story, If this was important evidence why didn’t he come forward in 1994, he obviously has an axe to grind. If it were plausible and David actually felt that way towards this ‘female’ (that there is no proof of her existence) then why would he share that with anyone? It is not ‘evidence’.
    And I never suggested that the PC read Binnies report, they read the COA one and saw it for what it was, The number of bullets in the magazine, and the clock/radio is immaterial, whether or not they were seperate the alarm was still going when found, this indicates that someone had got up before it.
    Again, you have a lot of allegations but nothing that constitutes ‘evidence’, much like the crown.

    Elaycee
    This was made into a Bain thread by again the witch-sniffing cult of CS, take it up with them.

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  93. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Thank you Wikiwhizz – did you know if you go Ctl+Alt+Delete (twice), you can access your personal file held by the GCSB? :)

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  94. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    DVM
    In other words you have no clue and whether or not David is or isn’t paid compensation does not change the facts of what really happened, just the desperation of the tax lawyer.

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  95. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    You keep saying “tax lawyer” in a pejorative way.

    Clearly, you’ve achieved great things in your life, because you think so little of tax lawyers. What are your professional qualifications?

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  96. Gulag1917 (1,083 comments) says:

    Paradise would be a place where everybody has guaranteed employment, free comprehensive healthcare, free education, free food, free housing, free clothing, free utilities, and only Law Enforcement has guns.
    Believe it or not, such a place does indeed exist….

    It’s called prison.

    [author unknown]

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  97. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Elaycee

    Elaycee (3,780 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Thank you Wikiwhizz – did you know if you go Ctl+Alt+Delete (twice), you can access your personal file held by the GCSB? :)

    You forgot a crucial step in the process. He needs to dust his keyboard for fingerprints (just in case anyone from the GCSB has been touching the keys) before he pushes Ctrl+Alt+Delete (twice).

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  98. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    From ACT on Campus:

    ACT on Campus president Taylor Warwood today welcomed news of ACT’s new leadership.

    “With three very capable candidates seeking the Epsom and leadership positions, the last few weeks have been an exciting time for all of us,” said Warwood.

    “There has been a general feeling of reinvigoration within both ACT and ACT on Campus, a feeling which has peaked today with the announcement of Jamie Whyte as leader and David Seymour as Epsom candidate.

    “Jamie Whyte is an incredibly intelligent man with a great understanding of ACT’s liberal principles.

    “David Seymour is a long-time veteran of ACT on Campus who exceeds his years in terms of political experience and knowledge. It is incredibly satisfying to see ‘one of us’ finally rise to such a crucial position in the Party.

    “Together, these men represent a fresh start for ACT.

    “ACT on Campus will be proud to campaign for ACT under this leadership, and such enthusiasm will be vital to the success of ACT in Epsom and across New Zealand this year.

    “We would also like to thank John Boscawen for his contribution to a high-quality leadership contest. John has earned great respect from ACT on Campus for his integrity and hard work. We look forward to working with him this year.”

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  99. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    I hope I’m wrong but I fear that ACT have made the wrong choice by not going with John B. A factionalised party on the back foot fronting two unknowns doesn’t present as a recipe for success.

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  100. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    ive just read a few articles by Jamie Whyte. Im liking what im reading!

    dont know much about the other dude.

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  101. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    I see the word Bain has come up again.
    Rowan, re Mark Buckley’s suppressed evidence. It appears Binnie had doubts about that evidence, and it seems that you have doubts about it as well because Buckley did not come forward in 1994.
    But what about Gareth Taylor? He did come forward in 1994. Just a pity Binnie didn’t think to ask David Bain about Taylor as well. Bain wouldn’t have been able to say that he saw Taylor having a sexual encounter with one of the Bain goats because Taylor never visited the Bain residence.
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/60836/bain-paper-round-suggested-039alibi-rape039

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  102. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Stephieboy at every opportunity you vent your spleen about David Bain so you must have masses of information at your fingertips, could you quote from the transcript where he said that he ‘hated’ his father. I note it’s one of the things you ‘toss about,’ but I’ve never seen any evidence of it at all. Just as there is no record of the JR having been heard already or being under appeal.

    Meanwhile the Court will decide on whether Collin’s position on the Bain case is appropriate, however to this point the only result of her involving herself beyond her official mandate was a report which concludes that Binnie, if having used another route toward his findings, might well have resulted in a finding that David was innocent. Hardly supporting her ‘position.’

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  103. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,555 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Robum ,

    Please focus the issues I raised re the 60 errors the Police found in Binnie’s report on important aspects of the evidence ( nothing actually to do with he PCA report ) and David Bain’s inconsistent and contradictory testimony given to Binnie.
    I accept that you believe Bain was not telling the truth to Binnie about Buckley and the deviant act with the goat.? You appear a little confused there.?
    I recall you in a earlier thread making great deal of the alleged alarm/radio clock, not long after the Binnie report was released.
    You mockingly refer to Judith Collins the tax lawyer.
    That could equally apply to Judge Binnie ,the Corporate and Commercial Lawyer could it not.?

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  104. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Rowan – us tax lawyers aren’t all bad!

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  105. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Rowan, do you think David will kill again ?

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  106. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    The National “B” Party under former National Party Don Brash, and former National Party Cabinet Minister (now the ‘Defendant’) John Banks, will be a hard ACT to follow …..

    Let the ‘turd-polishing’ begin!

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Just asking -but did Jamie Whyte (new ACT leader) and David Seymour (ACT candidate for Epsom) ever support ACT’s policy of ‘one law for all’ applying to Don Brash and John Banks as former fellow Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, who equally signed registered prospectuses which contained misleading information?

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/1OfbKNxoyZgDs1gZtA1zJLTYAl7sqjYDZgKrIXdUU21S2WRG2D7quY_VyXOKA/edit?pli=1

    While we’re at it – do Jamie Whyte (new ACT leader) and David Seymour (ACT candidate for Epsom) support The Defendant John Archibald Banks being tried for electoral fraud?

    (You know – the principle of ‘personal responsibility’ that ACT have previously been so big on – your signature actually MEANING something – sort of thing? )

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    2011 Independent candidate for Epsom
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  107. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Just for fun, because Rowan is clearly having a bad day, let’s see what happens when you run “David Bain” through an anagram script.

    Rearrange the letters in his name and you get:

    *Drum roll*

    Diva and Bi

    Yes. That seems kind of appropriate. David Bain is on public record as saying: ““I have been told that I had the potential to have a career as successful as the New Zealand opera singer Jonathan Lemalu” (written in an eight-page affidavit, under the sub-heading “loss of earnings and future opportunities”).

    Back to the anagram script…

    *Drum roll*

    Vain Bad ID

    Oops!

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  108. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    Nasska – you may need to make a cuppa and have a little lie down – because I absolutely agree with your above-mentioned comment:

    “I hope I’m wrong but I fear that ACT have made the wrong choice by not going with John B. A factionalised party on the back foot fronting two unknowns doesn’t present as a recipe for success.”

    (It’s ok Nasska – even a stopped watch is right twice a day! ;)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  109. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Penny Bright:

    Try reading section 56(3)(ba) and (c) of the Securities Act 1978:

    No person shall be liable under subsection (1) in respect of any untrue statement included in an advertisement or registered prospectus, as the case may be, if he or she proves that

    (ba) (in the case of liability for a pecuniary penalty order) as regards every untrue statement not purporting to be made on the authority of an expert or of a public official document or statement, he or she had reasonable grounds to believe and did believe, up to the time of the distribution of the advertisement or registered prospectus, that the statement was true; or
    (c) (in the case of liability for compensation) as regards every untrue statement not purporting to be made on the authority of an expert or of a public official document or statement, he or she had reasonable grounds to believe and did, up to the time of the subscription for the securities, believe that the statement was true; or

    Or just piss off (meant of course in a caring way :) )

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  110. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Muggins
    While I understand you are very interested in discussing beastility, I am not interested in discussing it with you, so why don’t you piss of and play with your goat instead?

    [DPF: I don’t really want to start reading this thread and issuing demerits but it looks like I may have to, if people don’t pull their heads in]

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  111. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    Which of my FACTS and HARD QUESTIONS did you particularly dislike ‘Nostradamus’?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    2011 Independent candidate for Epsom
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  112. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Hey Penny.

    Paid your rates yet or are you still bludging off the rest of us?

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  113. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Has Lecher Len got an STD or has he been taking growth tablets for another part that has gone wrong and given him that enlarged, out-of-shape hooter? When he was being feted by Tv3, in an attempt to solidify his mayoralty, this hooter looked so ridiculous, it reminded one of Goofy! When is he going, have any decent demonstrations been organised, after all, if the left want something done it is a formality.

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  114. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Penny Bright:

    I didn’t see any facts or hard questions.

    How about you answer this simple question:

    You talk about one law for all. One law for all includes offences and defences. Do you agree that the defence under section 56(3)(ba) and (c) of the Securities Act 1978 is potentially available in the case you mentioned?

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  115. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Nostradamus
    I don’t believe my qualifications or achievements are any of your business, I don’t ask you personal questions so please stick to the issues being discussed if you need to reply to my comments.

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  116. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    So ‘Nostradamus’ – you DON’T believe in ‘one law for all’?

    You think it was ok for Peter Huljich to be charged and convicted as a Director for Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, but not for fellow former Directors, Don Brash and John Banks?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    2011 Independent candidate for Epsom
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  117. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    Excellent. So we’ve established that you don’t need to keep referring to Judith Collins as “the tax lawyer” in a pejorative way then. Because, as you say, it’s not relevant to the issues.

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  118. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    Are Auckland Council and all Auckland Council Controlled Organisation ‘books’ open yet ‘Big Bore’?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Penny Bright

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  119. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    I think Don Brash and John Banks should have been equally CHARGED, and had the defences to which you refer, argued in Court.

    Penny Bright

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  120. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Penny Bright:

    Still waiting for you to explain why the defence under section 56(3)(ba) and (c) of the Securities Act 1978 isn’t potentially available. The defence needs to be considered in the context of the specific circumstances of each director. So saying one director was charged, but others weren’t, isn’t an argument. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I think Don Brash and John Banks should have been equally CHARGED, and had the defences to which you refer, argued in Court.

    No point charging a person with an offence if the defence is, on the facts as known, strongly arguable. That’d be a waste of scarce public resources. Something you’d be particularly concerned about, I’m sure.

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  121. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Stephieboy
    I don’t place any evidential regard on either the Buckley story or the goat story. 60 errors keep dreaming, it is sour grapes from the police who are trying to justify their position and discredit the report. They are not an independent party, if you were to look closely at the so called ‘errors’ you will find things like ‘the manual did not contain any such directive to do things like retaining the skin from around Robins bullet, when in fact it did so which report contains the factual error? Not to hard

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  122. holysheet (466 comments) says:

    New Zealand Cricket has pocketed the biggest payday in New Zealand sport with broadcast rights from this year’s Indian tour understood to be worth in excess of $35 million.

    And in a new twist to the controversial “big three” takeover of the International Cricket Council by India, England and Australia in Dubai last week, NZC chief executive David White emphatically rejected any suggestion the lucrative Indian tours will soon dry up, instead hinting a scheduled visit by them here in 2019 would be confirmed within a matter of weeks along with tours by “all the big countries”.

    White confirmed to Fairfax Media that broadcast rights for the present Indian tour were worth more than the then record $25m that NZC banked from the Indians’ last visit here in 2009. He would not provide a figure but knowledgeable sources told Fairfax it is more than $35m.

    Yay
    Now they can afford to pay for the upgrade to Seddon Park instead of expecting the poor ratepayers to front up with the dosh. User pays and all that!

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  123. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Nickb:

    You or another Kiwiblog reader may be able to assist me.

    I’ve been trying to recall the details of a study (goes back a few years). The study found, if I recall correctly, that a New Zealand income tax rate of 14-15% was optimal, in the sense that higher income tax rates encouraged tax avoidance (legal) and, in some cases, tax evasion (illegal).

    The study received a lot of attention at the time, and I’d like to go back and look at it in more detail. I thought Grant Scobie (economist) might have been involved, but not sure.

    Any ideas?

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  124. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Re Bain.
    I see one poster has asked another poster to quote from the transcript where David Bain said he hated his father.
    Perhaps he won’t mind me assisting re that query.
    Q. When you went into the lounge and you talked to him [David Bain] did you talk to him about Robin and about family matters?
    A. Yes, he talked about the family situation,he talked about his father,he talked about that he hated his father, he said he was sneaky, and that he used to listen in to conversations that had nothing to do with him.

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  125. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    To the poster who has posted the extract from the transcript above, why don’t you post a little bit more including who actually answered that, notice how it is in the third person speaking about David, I wonder why this is; maybe because it wasn’t actually David answering the question? So stop with the misrepresentation.

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  126. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Rowan,
    Why did the international jurist Justice Ian Binnie make the assumption that because David said he didn’t bring the paper in that Robin must have brought it in before David came home? I mean David said his father may get it at 7am if he [David] walked his paper run. And we know David was home no later than 6.45am. David never mentioned his father ever picking up the paper before 7am, so why did Binnie believe Robin Bain picked the paper up earlier than usual that morning.
    And you would have to wonder what Binnie thought about Robin going down to the gate and picking up the paper just a few minutes before he supposedly shot himself in the left temple using a rifle with a silencer attached while standing with one foot on a chair.

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  127. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Rowan,
    I would have thought you would have known the person who was asked that question was the aunt whose residence David Bain was staying at after the murders. Are you implying she was lying?

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  128. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    I’ve been trying to recall the details of a study (goes back a few years). The study found, if I recall correctly, that a New Zealand income tax rate of 14-15% was optimal, in the sense that higher income tax rates encouraged tax avoidance (legal) and, in some cases, tax evasion (illegal).

    I have heard about this theory in a global sense generally Nosty, perhaps not so much in a NZ context. And more about how there is an optimal tax rate for the highest revenue gained – i.e. higher taxes lead to not just evasion and avoidance, but simply lower revenue from less people entering the workforce and working less hours due to the reduced incentive to do so.

    One of these theories is the Laffer curve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

    Not sure of the exact study you are thinking of sorry, but it does ring a bell. I would love for some reporters to ask Silent T on the projections of extra revenue a higher top tax rate would actually bring. Especially given our tax system has got more progressive since the 39% rate was reduced to 33%…I’m pretty sure someone in Labour has been asked this and has admitted raising the top rate harms revenue, but it’s just a “fair share” type issue…sickening

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  129. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    I don’t place any evidential regard on either the Buckley story or the goat story.

    Rowan does not place “any evidential regard” on anything that reflects poorly on David Bain.

    I see he is still thinking about my question at to whether David will kill again ? So I will share my thoughts while Rowan thinks about it. I believe he remains a risk. This was not a one off crime of passion. It was a carefully planned murder carried out by a cold devious and manipulative individual. I believe he got more enjoyment out of the planning and getting away with it, than the act of murder itself. I think he is considering what he could get away with next and enjoying the rush.

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  130. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    To the poster who has posted the extract from the transcript above, why don’t you post a little bit more including who actually answered that, notice how it is in the third person speaking about David, I wonder why this is; maybe because it wasn’t actually David answering the question? So stop with the misrepresentation.

    That is hearsay evidence.

    This is also hearsay evidence:

    I have been told that I had the potential to have a career as successful as the New Zealand opera singer Jonathan Lemalu

    Should we disregard this hearsay evidence too, Rowan? Or is it ok to use hearsay evidence when it is being used to support David Bain’s compensation claim?

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  131. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Rowan,
    Re the goat story. All I am saying is that if the international jurist Justice Ian Binnie had bothered to ask David Bain about what Gareth Taylor had told the police back in 1994 Bain would not have been able to say that Taylor was just getting back at him because he saw Taylor having a sexual encounter with a goat.

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  132. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Go away and build a nest Kea you are way out of your depth, given that the first part of your question is false then your thoughts are worthless, and surprise surprise you have no evidence to back them up. Only ‘cold, devious, manipulative’ individual here is you

    Muggins
    I am aware that it was from his aunt however the question was where David said he ‘hated his father’ and not what his aunt said, so as usual blatant misrepresentation from you.

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  133. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how I could upload some of my photos of the remarkable King tide that flooded part of the NW Western motorway ,Auckland this morning..?

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  134. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    White confirmed to Fairfax Media that broadcast rights for the present Indian tour were worth more than the then record $25m that NZC banked from the Indians’ last visit here in 2009. He would not provide a figure but knowledgeable sources told Fairfax it is more than $35m.

    On the topic of NZC, one thing I’m quite interested in since the HRV T20 came in is the effect on the domestic game.

    I remember 4-5 years ago the One-Day tournament (then the State Shield from memory) was definitely the jewel in the domestic summer crown, heavily advertised, televised on Sky etc.

    Now with the HRV Cup, its pushed to strange ends of the season, like the have the Plunket Shield, a few rounds of 50-over, then what seems like 5-6 weeks of T20 over the best part of summer, then 50 over and first class packed into the end of the season again.

    Seems pretty sad – is the 50-over games still televised or even attended by the public anymore?

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  135. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Nostradamus
    It is not relevant evidence so yes it can be discarded.

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  136. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    So, just to clear things up Rowan, are you saying that David Bain shouldn’t have included this sentence in his affidavit (under the sub-heading “loss of earnings and future opportunities”):

    I have been told that I had the potential to have a career as successful as the New Zealand opera singer Jonathan Lemalu

    Are you saying it’s hearsay evidence, and not particularly relevant evidence, so it shouldn’t have been included?

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  137. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan, re Bain and his relationship with his father from the Binnie report,

    Q. And then he comes up with his three possibilities that we’ve already discussed. Now on Wednesday there is this session at the Clark home in the early hours of the morning and it is said at that time that you said you hated your father and this is Val Boyd giving evidence this time. “He talked about the family situation so while he talked about his father, he talked about that he hated his father. He said he was sneaky, he used to listen in to conversations that had nothing to do with him.” Did you have that conversation with Val Boyd?
    A. I do believe so. I do believe so.
    Q. Right. And this is somewhat at odds with the picture of a healthy relationship that you described this morning.
    A. Mmm. Well it, it, this is, to me, this is only natural considering what it was I was trying to accept had happened to my family. I put myself in the situation where I was you know, here I was that there’s a father that I respected and spent a lot of time with and you know, as I described earlier on , and then trying to accept that he’s just killed my entire family. What’s your reaction going to be? Naturally your emotions change and…
    Q. Emotions change but the, the idea that he was sneaky and used to listen into conversations and so on –
    A. Well, yeah but that’s –
    Q. – that relates back to an earlier period?
    A. Yeah, it does and that, that’s, yes it’s a factual aspect of who he was and it’s just one of those things that, okay, you don’t talk about all the, all the bad things that happen in your own particular family. I’d not wanted to talk about any of that to – you know, in this entire investigation. It’s been forced on me.”

    ,

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  138. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Nickb:

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    I’m pretty sure the study was focused on New Zealand – although, possibly, involving international academics. I really wish I could remember the details. Not to worry.

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  139. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Rowan, calm down. This is Kiwiblog and you don’t get away with murder here. This is not a fan site for mass murderers. :)

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  140. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    “I have been told that I had the potential to have a career as successful as the New Zealand opera singer Jonathan Lemalu”

    But instead I chose a career as the World’s oldest and worst dressed paperboy!

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  141. muggins (3,828 comments) says:

    Rowan,
    Just a correction to my post at 5.23pm.
    It wasn’t the aunt who owned that residence who testified that David Bain said he hated his father, it was another aunt who was staying at that residence at the time.
    My apologies.

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  142. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Kea
    There actually appears to be a number of Robins pedo supporters/fans out in force here so again incorrect.

    Stephie,
    Hardly surprising when put in the true context of what had happened, I am sure David did hate the idea that his father had done what he did, does this meant he ‘hated’ him? This really the best you can do?

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  143. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Kea
    There actually appears to be a number of Robins pedo

    Rowan, is that why David killed him ?

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  144. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    “I see one poster has asked another poster to quote from the transcript where David Bain said he hated his father.”

    Muggins
    Yet look at your post and what you tried to portray it as, why the need to misrepresent? This is a rhetorical question as we both know the answer to that don’t we Muggy!

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  145. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Longknives mate – David Bain’s jerseys were the quintessential fashion item for the dapper modern gentleman. Don’t hate.

    I think this post of DPF’s from 2009 needs repeating:

    So what do you have to beleive, to think Robin was the killer. This list is not comprehensive, and is even a bit repetitive. But here goes:

    It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies
    Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead
    The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.
    The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence
    The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses
    The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living
    David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time
    David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience
    Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes
    Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder
    The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there
    Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails
    David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies
    The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit
    Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide
    That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.
    Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message
    Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder
    Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails
    Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?
    That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?
    That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.
    That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch
    That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.
    That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David
    That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.
    That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.
    That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live
    That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death
    That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.
    That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.
    That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.
    That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.
    That a sickly Robin Bain managed to overpower his teendage son who put up a furious fight
    That Robin Bain went and got the newspaper from outside, despite planning to shoot himself

    The theory for David:

    But before I say what I think the jury will do, let us look at what you need to beleive, to think David is the killer.

    Well there isn’t a lot. Almost all the evidance fits in perfectly with the theory. The best I can come up with is:

    That he managed to finish his paper run quicker than normal
    That his foot at 300 mm couldn’t make a 280 mm luminol print
    That he was prepared to risk his father waking up early and finding the family dead

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  146. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Robins pedo supporters

    We must be pedos if we don’t agree with a theory of a murder case? One that was solid enough to get a conviction?

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  147. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    No Kea
    Your kiddy fiddling hero was to gutless to live with what he’d done so took his own life. Gutless coward. Its a shame he had to destroy the lives of the other members of his family first.

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  148. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    Robins pedo supporters/fans

    Your kiddy fiddling hero

    Did you see DPF’s warning above?

    Rowan (1,563 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Muggins
    While I understand you are very interested in discussing beastility, I am not interested in discussing it with you, so why don’t you piss of and play with your goat instead?

    [DPF: I don’t really want to start reading this thread and issuing demerits but it looks like I may have to, if people don’t pull their heads in]

    I imagine you’re quite popular at dinner parties – until the discussion turns (as it inevitably would with you there) to David Bain!

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  149. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    nickb, We can’t ask Robin if he was a pedo. He is dead. We can not ask the wider family, they are dead too. In fact the only un-dead family member is the creepy son David.

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  150. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    Nickb- Not to mention that having a preference for what knickers your sister is buried in is downright fucking creepy!

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  151. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Nickb

    That is a ridiculous crime fantasy novel. You have been watching to much CSI, You only have to look at the evidence whereas that is spin and conjecture and exceedingly naive. None of it is plausible.

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  152. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,565 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 5:58 pm
    No Kea
    Your kiddy fiddling hero was to gutless to live with what he’d done so took his own life. Gutless coward. Its a shame he had to destroy the lives of the other members of his family first.

    Rowan, I think he is a murder victim, not a hero. Given that he was shot to death in his home and has no conviction for the things you accuse him of that is the sensible approach to take.

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  153. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    kiddy fiddling.?

    This is the sad aspect of the Bain supporters who have consistently resorted to personalized forms of this kind of vitriolic abuse to advance their case.

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  154. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Not to mention that having a preference for what knickers your sister is buried in…

    YUK !!! :(

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  155. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    Nickb:

    Here’s another blog post from DPF:

    Joke III
    May 17th, 2007 at 8:34 am by David Farrar

    What is the first thing David Bain said he wanted to do when he was released from jail?

    He said he wanted to go to KFC as he could just murder a family pack!

    Okay on more serious Bain issues, I have now swung behind the view that there should not be a new trial. I still think the David did it theory is far more probable than the Robin did it theory, but I can not see a jury concluding beyond reasonable doubt that David did it, especially that I suspect any trial would end of focusing on the emotional aspects of “Don’t send David back to prison again after [he] has spent 13 years there”.

    I don’t want to see Bain get paid millions of dollars compensation, when it still remains probable he murdered his parents and siblings. Somewhat hilariously at dinner this week my father disagreed with me on this point, and I had to point out to him that he really should not be arguing in favour of children benefiting from parental murder :-)

    So ideal outcome is the Solictor-General reaches an agreement with Bain that there will be no new trial, but no or limited compensation. if Bain demands tens of millions in compensation, then one may need a new trial, but hopefully it can be avoided.

    The art of compromise:

    Option A: no new trial, and no or limited compensation.
    Option B: new trial, and no or limited compensation.

    Rowan, if you were David, which option would you choose? :)

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  156. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    I think David probably did it.

    But: He was locked up in prison for many years + he has no conviction = Compensation.

    It is a tragedy he got away with murder. It would only add to the tragedy if we set the wrong precedent. Given the little creep his money and lots of it.

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  157. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Fuck, religious nutters using up to date weapons systems.

    Egyptian sources reported that a ‘SAM-7′ (a derivative of the SA-7 designation) was used in the attack, which happened near the border with the Gaza Strip and killed five soldiers. The New York Times cited a senior US official as saying the preliminary evidence indicated it was a 9K32 Strela-2.

    However, a single frame from the video taken as the operator ducks to avoid the dust caused by the main motor ignition shows the MANPADS he is holding has an angled battery coolant unit (BCU) like the ones used by the Russian 9K34 Strela-3 (SA-14 ‘Gremlin’) Igla series rather than the horizontally aligned cylindrical battery used with the less advanced Strela-2 and -2M (9K32M).

    http://www.janes.com/article/33165/egyptian-militants-downed-helo-with-igla-type-manpads

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  158. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Heres a post from a website looking at the reality of the situation, it covers most of the spin in Nickbs post, It is a direct answer to a similar post put up by Whale

    Whale oil’s bull crap

    It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies

    David Bain had memory loss associated with shock. That whale oil would expect someone to be cool, calm and rational in such conditions, says an awful lot about whaleoil, and none of it very nice.

    Again a lucky guess when DB told police officer they are all dead

    See above – I think Whaleoil does mammals in general a disservice by using that name – whales are intelligent beings, whilst whaleoil is, well anything but…

    The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.

    It was recorded in Margaret’s diary, and by family friends that David used to do the family’s washing on return from his paper run. Perhaps Whaleoil in unfamiliar with washing?

    The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence

    The bruise on David’s head can be explained by the fall between the bed and the wall, and the dresser (which the crown very nicely forgot to include in their drawings when they presented the evidence at the first trial. The gap is infact so small it would be almost impossible not for Bain to have hurt himself). The scratches on his chest were not there on the day of the murders. Witnesses who examined Bain never recorded them, but recorded the other injuries. The scrap of skin missing from the knee could have come from the fall on the Thursday, or the one previously mentioned.

    The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses

    Why should David Bain notice the lens was missing from a pair of glasses he didn’t need? Whaleoil seems to be confused here – the glasses weren’t David’s, no one was using them, they were broken, and unable to be used and the spare lens had that much dust on it, it would have been impossible to see through. Nor did David need the glasses to do everything, especially up close things, maybe Whaleoil needs glasses to find his willy and take a pee, but most men don’t.

    The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living

    There were a number of injuries on Robin that couldn’t be explained by normal living – but lets not let the truth get in the way of a Whale splurting.

    David’s finger prints on the gun are from a previous time

    Yes, is it strange that a person who owned the gun and used it regularly left prints on it? Only according to a whale – the prints were not in blood, or made with blood, blubber features!!

    David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience

    Many people, whose lives are going extraordinary well, and being in love of the first time feel like ‘it can’t last’, that something bad will happen to ruin it – Whale has obviously never had anything good going for him, so we cannot expect him to understand this emotion.

    Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes

    The small amount of Blood on David’s clothing was wiped blood off door jambs – it was not on the front of the shirt, which is where it would have been if he was struggling with Stephen – of course Whales don’t wear clothes, especially fat ones – so how would he know?

    The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there

    Doh! That is where they were kept, on top of the dresser, where obviously Robin, who had used the rifle because there were spent cartridges in his caravan, had left them, before going to kill his family.

    Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails

    The jersey did not fit David, did not shrink in the washing, because the fibres show not signs of felting, that is obvious when shrinking has occured

    David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies

    The palm print was not proven to be in blood, and could have been in washing powder, however, loading the clothes from the basket into the maching could have transferred blood on to his palms, and with the dull lighting in the room – so dull that the police had to get external lighting to see, it was unlikely David would have noticed the blood as there was other wet washing from the winter swim in the wash as well.

    The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit

    One ambulance officer said that in court, however the notes made at the time were different. Who to believe, someone a year later or on the day?

    Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide

    The gloves were probably not worn to stop fingerprints, but like in many cases of familicide the perpetrator attempts to stop his family’s blood getting on him.

    Robin Bain didn’t wear gloves as he loaded the magazine…then put on gloves to kill his family, then took them off without smudging the “magazine marks”.

    DOH! The gloves were lost in the fight with Stephen – they were found in Stephen’s room when obviously the plan to kill the family in their sleep went wrong.

    That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.

    Perhaps the Computer enthusiast was going to write more, but when he saw David returning early from the Paper round, had to stop with the one line –

    Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message

    see above, he probably thought he had more time – David was home ealier than usual and men who are crazy enough to kill their families don’t always think like the rest of us – that excludes whaleoil of course.

    Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder

    Robin never framed David – he was not to know that our incompetent police force wouldn’t be able to conduct an efficient investigation, besides, wouldn’t that require Robin thinking rationally – I know it’s a concept the whale isn’t familiar with – but really!

    Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails

    No, Stephen got them under his fingernails when he grabbed his fathers jersey – keep up Whale – even the police conceded that one.

    Robin would finish shooting his family, remove the magazine, place it on the ground carefully on standing upright on its side, then shoot himself so that when his body fell his hand was right beside the magazine which remained standing on its side.

    There is no evidence that this is how the cartridge was originally or that Robin’s arm had not been moved when the police interfered with Robin’s clothing.

    Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?

    Dr Dempster accepted that the position Robin committed suicide in was an acceptable position for suicide and did not involve any unusual contortions of the body. Dr Dempster did see the crime scene, I don’t think the Whale was invited.

    That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?

    The Green jersey was NOT found on the clothes line –

    That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.

    There is a logical reason, but Whale doesn’t understand logic.

    That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch

    It was David Bain’s own blood from an acne bleed –

    That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.

    There was bloody washing in the load of washing –

    That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David

    Laniet never said anything of the sort – the friend, decided after the murders that an innocent remark was a threat.

    That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.

    It was Margaret that called the meeting and told people that Laniet was coming home for the meeting, which the Bain family was used to holding on Sunday nights – as recorded in Mask of Sanity

    That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.

    The house was recorded as freezing – I’d wear a hat too – we don’t all have copious quantities of blubber – eh blubber features?

    That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live

    David said – if my father has done this I hate him – after the events, David speaks very highly of his father – but … oh forget it, it takes brains and a touch of humanity to understand – something Whaleoil would know nothing about .

    That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death

    Dr Dempster said the Dead Laniet’s body could have made such noises for a substantial amount of time after death – who to believe Whaleoil or the pathologist?

    That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.

    The claims of giving birth didn’t have to be true – doesn’t mean the incest didn’t happen. Arawa said Dad taught her how to insert her fingers into her vagina before she was 10 years of age – hardly standard father daughter stuff, but then I am not sure on the habits of Whales.

    That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.

    Wrong, there was blood on Robin Bain that was in places that couldn’t have come from his own wound, but was not tested by police to determine whose blood it was.

    That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.

    Bain frequently took the dog onto that property, despite being told not to – doesn’t indicate murder.

    That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

    Already covered!

    That a sickly Robin Bain managed to overpower his teenage son who put up a furious fight

    Stephen was shot through one hand, and bleeding profusely, any unjured adult could have overpowered him – he was fighting with one hand and getting weak quickly

    That Robin Bain went and got the newspaper from outside, despite planning to shoot himself

    No proof Robin got the paper in, David could have, he just can’t remember bringing it in but it was his usual habit to do so.

    That Robin Bain did all of the above without taking a piss.

    Who says he needed to ? 400 mls of urine does not necessarily mean a full bladder or that the urge to urinate is activated – depends from person to person, and Robin bladder was not measured, if he needed to pee, why didn’t he walk into the bathroom instead of the lounge – maybe whales pee everywhere but most humans don’t.

    That’s a fail for the Whale – loser!!!

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  159. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    I just want to draw attention to an imminent Tour of NZ by anti fluoride advocate Dr Paul Connett sponsored it appears by the NZ based anti fluoridation network.
    Paul Connett and anti fluoridatationsits have advocated, amongst many things ,that fluoride in municipal water supplies causes lowering of IQs , Osteosarcoma and other Cancers , other maladies and is part of a global conspiracy to medicate, subvert and control the world population .

    More here,

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  160. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    “cha (3,189 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 6:27 pm
    Fuck, religious nutters using up to date weapons systems.

    Egyptian sources reported that ….”

    US supplies Egypt with F-16 fighter jets
    Mubarak signed deal, Morsi to reap benefits: 20 fighter jets courtesy of US administration. Republicans fume: Egypt yet to prove itself democratic

    The US will supply Egypt with 20 F-16 fighter jets as part of a billion dollar aid package

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4318289,00.html

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  161. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Rowan, how much fluoridated water have you drunk ?

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  162. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    3 News/Reid Research poll:

    National 44.5% (-1.8)
    Labour 33.5% (+1.3)
    Green Party 12.4% (+2.0)
    NZ First 5.7% (+1.5%)
    Maori Party 1.0% (-0.2)
    Mana Party 0.3% (-1.0)
    Conservatives 2.1% (-0.7)
    Act 0%
    United Future 0%

    Patrick Gower was promoting it as a game changer but they just arrived at the ground to get changed in election year.

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  163. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan lets deal with this one for starters,

    “David Bain had memory loss associated with shock. That whale oil would expect someone to be cool, calm and rational in such conditions, says an awful lot about whaleoil, and none of it very nice.”

    In his interview with Binnie Bain told him on the one hand that he has absolutely no memory of the events when arriving home and on the other can recount to Binnie in some detail seeing his mother and other family members dead.

    A highly selective and convenient form of “memory loss,” as a result of PTSD I would say.

    And David Bain’s fingerprints from a previous time >???
    Purely speculative and unproven.

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  164. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Rowan.

    Seriously mate, have a look at what you have just copied and pasted. Do you realise the number is wild assumptions one has to make to look upon anybody but David being the killer?

    You’re really embarrassing yourself.

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  165. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Egyptian sources reported that ….

    Yeah, F-16’s make commercial passengers feel so much better.
    //

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  166. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    *Giggle*

    I’ve just scrolled down the thread from the top.

    The one thing that stands out: one downvote (and only one downvote) for every comment that Rowan perceives to be anti-Bain.

    Hey Rowan, you’d better round up your friends Judith and Nostalgia-NZ, as you’re clearly struggling to make much of an impression here!

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  167. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    So all is revealed David didn’t say he hated his father, his aunt claimed he did. Good old hearsay. No wonder Judith Collins didn’t take any notice of JFRB. But what he did tell police was that he ‘would’ hate his father if was true he had killed the family. Like everything else JRRBainer’s say – a long way from the truth.

    Stick with tax law nickb, instead of quoting material you don’t have evidence to support. The ‘long lists’ are just another way of disguising that there was no record of David having scratches to his chest when stripped search, and that no police officer gave evidence as having seen them, likewise to ‘explain’ why Robin Bain had blood smears on his palms and damage to his hands consistent with being in a fight or that his blood was suctioned into the rifle barrel when he shot himself – close range.

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  168. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Agree, PG, re Gower: Listening to him, it almost sounded as if he was reporting on the results of an election, rather than a poll. And when was the poll taken? I mean, it’s not as if Labour just hasn’t had a ‘mare of a week.

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  169. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    cha, do you realise that the Egyptians had a developed culture and technology when Kowtow’s illiterate barbarian ancestors were still dressed in rotting animal skins picking lice out of their beards ? That did not change much until the Muslims took time out from their scholarly works to teach their barbarian cousins civilised behaviour. :)

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  170. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    Pete George: “3 News/Reid Research poll:

    National 44.5% (-1.8)
    Labour 33.5% (+1.3)
    Green Party 12.4% (+2.0)
    NZ First 5.7% (+1.5%)
    Maori Party 1.0% (-0.2)
    Mana Party 0.3% (-1.0)
    Conservatives 2.1% (-0.7)
    Act 0%
    United Future 0%

    Patrick Gower was promoting it as a game changer but they just arrived at the ground to get changed in election year.”

    By TV3’s polling this is a significant poll. It’s the first time since September 2005 that New Zealand First has been over the 5% mark in a TV3 poll, and it’s the lowest polling TV3 have had National at since John Key’s been in power. I guess that tells you that TV3 polling tends to overestimate National’s support while underestimating New Zealand First’s support, but it is noteworthy.

    It’s also interesting that TV3 are already assuming the Conservatives are winning an electorate.

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  171. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    The poll was taken Thursday 23 to Wednesday 29.

    Near the start of that period Key gave his speech and gave NZ First a boost.
    Late in that period Cunliffe gave his speech and it had only started to unravel.
    Polling closed before Metiria Turei claimed anyone blinking the wrong way was racist and sexist if she said it was.

    The second Roy Morgan poll this year, probably due in a few days (if so polling they will be polling now) will give us a better idea. But it’s very early in election year.

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  172. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    It’s also interesting that TV3 are already assuming the Conservatives are winning an electorate.

    That’s bollocks, we don’t even know if or which electorate yet let alone what their chances are.

    That smacks of making up a story. And potentially journalists manipulating our democracy. Poor form Paddy.

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  173. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    And potentially journalists manipulating our democracy.

    Well DOH ! PG’s onto tonight. Maybe he is going for a Pulitzer Prize. :)

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  174. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Lol’d hard at these “rebuttals” in your post Rowan

    Nor did David need the glasses to do everything, especially up close things, maybe Whaleoil needs glasses to find his willy and take a pee, but most men don’t.

    See above – I think Whaleoil does mammals in general a disservice by using that name – whales are intelligent beings, whilst whaleoil is, well anything but…

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  175. publicwatchdog (3,123 comments) says:

    Nostradamus – it appears that until Graham McCready came on to the scene – MPs like John Banks were effectively a ‘protected species’.

    Not any more.

    Mark my words – there are some VERY big political ‘bombs’ (as it were) about to explode on the issue of corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ that I predict will shake New Zealand, with our ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – to the very core, both nationally and internationally.

    I predict that the polling of National and Prime Minister John Key will continue their downward spiral – but far more dramatically – as the NZ public increase their understanding of the corrupt, corporate control particularly of Auckland, but also New Zealand generally.

    How do I know?

    Because, politically, I hold the fuse and the lighter …. (as it were)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  176. dishy (248 comments) says:

    What spiral is this Penny?

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  177. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    “Conservative 3 (predicted to win an electorate seat)” is no more than Paddy’s pondered permutation based on no solid facts and no current electorate even announced for Craig.

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  178. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Indeed Kea, unlike the murderous Wahhabi fundamentalists who remain in the 7th century.

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  179. wat dabney (3,840 comments) says:

    there are some VERY big political ‘bombs’ (as it were) about to explode on the issue of corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ that I predict will shake New Zealand, with our ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – to the very core

    Are you going to take-on the Labour Party, Penny: which is corruption incarnate; nothing more than a special-interest rent-seeking conspiracy against the workers, cynically cloaked in the language of class warfare?

    No. You are party of the conspiracy against the workers.

    If you hold a fuse and a lighter then do us workers a favour and blow yourself up love.

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  180. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    Egyptian culture and technology from ancient days .So fucking what ? What’s the point of an ancient culture when they live in shit now,with a choice between a military dictator or the genteel Muslim Fucking Brohood?

    Arab Muslims have long ago destroyed anything the ancient Egyptians may have achieved……..

    Meanwhile ancient Europeans aren’t as fucking ignorant as some c#nt who claims to be a raghead but isn’t , would make out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange

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  181. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    Pete “The poll was taken Thursday 23 to Wednesday 29.

    Near the start of that period Key gave his speech and gave NZ First a boost.
    Late in that period Cunliffe gave his speech and it had only started to unravel.”

    Yep, I’d say that’s why Winston got the boost. It also appears Winston being ruled in hurt the Conservatives as well.

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  182. chiz (1,174 comments) says:

    How Superman could really benefit mankind.

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  183. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    A mid-level executive was so frustrated at being passed over for promotion year after year that, in frustration, he went to a brain-transplant centre in the hope of raising his IQ by 20 points.

    After a battery of physical and psychological tests, he was told by the centre’s director that he was an acceptable candidate.

    “That’s great!” the executive said. “But I understand that this procedure can be really expensive”. “Yes, sir, it can,” the director replied. “An ounce of accountant’s brain for example, costs one thousand dollars, an ounce of a lawyer’s brain costs two thousand, an ounce of a corporate president’s is forty-five thousand. An ounce of a politician’s brain is seventy-five thousand dollars”.

    “Seventy-five thousand dollars for an ounce of a politicians brain!? Why on earth is that?” “Do you have any idea” the director asked “how many politicians we would have to kill to get an ounce?”

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  184. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    So the timing of the polling could have simply been some fluke of timing for Winston. Unless Key timed his announcement for the polling period…

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  185. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    as some c#nt who claims to be a raghead but isn’t ,

    Kowtow, who would that be ? Who claimed to be a “raghead” ?

    Do you mean a Nun or one of those guys with a rice bowl on his head ?

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  186. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Meanwhile ancient Europeans aren’t as fucking ignorant as some c#nt who claims to be a raghead but isn’t , would make out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange

    Kowtow, I read your link about the mound-of-dirt. Who would have thought those ancient Pagan Brits would know the secret of piling dirt in a heap !

    You do realise of course that this pile of dirt was formed before the Romans forced Christianity on the native Brits and displaced their pagan beliefs with a cult imported from the Middle East ? Given your newly found interest in historical facts, I am sure you do.

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  187. Zapper (1,048 comments) says:

    Winston won’t get 5%. We’ll need a few more polls before we worry about the most corrupt MP in NZ getting back in (I was going to say most corrupt politician but then I remembered Penny Bright, and I guess she loosely qualifies, as she reminds us all the time ‘candidate for something I lost badly’ – does Bill English put ‘Candidate for PM – 2002′ on his CV?).

    Miley Turei must surely have caused the Greens to take a pounding. I refuse to believe there are that many complete retards in NZ (again, despite the evidence from Penny, Rowan etc in this thread).

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  188. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    ….”this pile of dirt was formed before the Romans forced Christianity on the native Brits and displaced their pagan beliefs with a cult imported from the Middle East”….

    You must be thinking of the wrong sect Kea…..the one the fake Christian seems to favour wouldn’t stoop to “forcing” their religion on to anyone. :)

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  189. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    ‘Pete George (20,833 comments) says:

    February 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 pm
    So the timing of the polling could have simply been some fluke of timing for Winston. Unless Key timed his announcement for the polling period…’

    I can’t imagine that JK is timing announcements in order to boost NZF. You’ll remember Winston said after the last election that his polling showed a different position than the public polls, additionally – his traditional support remains behind him. Also, can’t overlook the Herald’s ‘drug induced’ predictions that DPF blogged about during the week.

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  190. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Just look what Kowtow’s illiterate barbarian lice infested ancestors made people, while those retarded Arabs where pissing around with mathematics, astronomy, literature and the arts.

    The laughs on them. Why do people muck around going to the Pyramids when they could see this ?

    http://jimgrey.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/johnson_co_abandoned_37_2.jpg

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  191. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Watchdog
    2. One who serves as a guardian or protector against waste, loss, or illegal practices.

    But a “Watchdog” that professes to hold the fuse and lighter? One with an agenda?
    Slightly oxymoronic, n’est pas?

    Also inquiries reveal nothing of any great abnormality regarding rates for 86a School Rd Kingsland Auckland 1021, so someone may well be a little bit of a fucking liar – a sort of John Banks technical misquote – about as bad as a “Watchdog” with an agenda.
    “I Will Stop Corrupt Corporate Control … When I Choose?”

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  192. MH (830 comments) says:

    just watched on news a dive by a stoke or Man U player,playing the beautiful game, clutching his face in pretence agony, even his fellow plyers didn’t bother tot come to his aid or defence= have they, the players who feign injury no shame? The worst I saw or can compare was a former NZ rugby player who broke open a fake blood capsule in his mouth so he could be replaced in the pommy rugby comp some years ago. Can’t proponents of soccer get rid of this abhorrent practice and I note the most blatant fakers come from the very countries racked with corruption who grow up under this game.incl the lower oppressed classes in pomgolia,the Duke of Wellington’s rabble-the mere scum of the earth. How appropriate that Wellington houses this motley crew of phoenixes.
    I like poms but honestly that game is a shocker for moral sport roll modeling and a denial of why we came here- to educate the natives and assimilate into the physical environment of NZ. We are men not foot trip shin hackers and hollywood divas.

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  193. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    nasska , You are an informed and educated man. Do you think kowtow’s ancestors used alien technology to create these structures ? It is little wonder they could not read or write, given the intellectual dedication this would have required I suspect they had time for nothing else.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b19jyHCW3dc/UcndOoOGenI/AAAAAAAAADs/B3GHR7I9Da4/s1600/DSCN0416.JPG

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  194. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Sorry to get back to the politics…, and the early poll results.

    Of interest are the fortunes of Labour, moving up – particularly with the ‘family support’ proposal. Overall, that would resonant with the ‘middle ground’ despite the misinformed delivery. Most people hear what they want. Additionally, there is Jones – it looks like he’s hit the ball out of the park on his view of some of the problems Ngapuhi appear to face, could be political gold in election year, perhaps that may show in the next poll. Jones is Peters, but without the cutlass.

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  195. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    The challenge of growing potatoes honed the minds of the ancient Irish to a razor like keenness Kea.

    They would’ve only needed a few hints from the aliens……then they would have run with the ball. :)

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  196. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    I have researched this further and it appears kowtow has sold his Brit ancestors short. Apparently they also knew the secret of arranging rocks. This fascinating and mysterious structure represents the pinnacle of Kowtows cultural history.

    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-ZAFr35oi8s7vr7dWBgvBeVnvubK-ZNay8uJBW8P6HzxoZxLZ

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  197. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    They were a remarkably advanced people Kea. :)

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  198. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    nasska, indeed they were. Sadly their language, culture and spiritual beliefs were all supplanted by a barbaric desert cult imposed on the gentle Pagans by Roman military aggression. Briton was lost and has never recovered. :)

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  199. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Tel Megiddo looks nice.

    http://jvrp2013.blogspot.co.nz/

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  200. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    “Tel Megiddo looks nice.”

    You mean to say they invented holes-in-the-ground as well !!!

    I suspect those images are photo shopped cha.

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  201. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    Do you know Isabelle?.

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  202. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Big Blouse @ 6.42
    Says he with no ‘evidence’ or even any reasoning behind his posts, If you actually look at the list that Nickb put up, there is nothing on it that is not wild assumption or pure conjecture.

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  203. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    The challenge of growing potatoes honed the minds of the ancient Irish to a razor like keenness Kea.
    >

    Yes racism against the Irish is still Rife in the Land of the Kiwibird

    It’s about as funny as a Holocaust joke isn’t it SCUM BAG

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  204. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    “David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies.”

    An established fact or more speculation.? Nevertheless, again a very convenient explanation.!

    And thus ,he didn’t sort through Robin’s alleged bloody clothes in the wash basket after all..?

    and,

    “Wrong, there was blood on Robin Bain that was in places that couldn’t have come from his own wound, but was not tested by police to determine whose blood it was.”

    Wrong gain. ! Dr Sally Harbsion’s examination of Robin’s trousers and other clothes he died in was in fact very extensive and comprehensive , Just look at the numerous gaping holes taken as samples for DNA testing.So much so that it forced the Defence to find another explanation as to why that might be so .This was the ludicrous and simply silly explanation that he got changed out of his bloody clothes into his sunday best to meet his maker. That in turn was dropped with attention to the minuscule drops of blood found on his hands . That was in turn miraculously turned into copious quantities of blood that begged the obvious question why none of his fingerprints appeared on the bloodied rifle.? But David’s and Stephen’s did.
    And so it goes on

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  205. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    You do realise of course that this pile of dirt was formed before the Romans forced Christianity on the native Brits and displaced their pagan beliefs with a cult imported from the Middle East ? Given your newly found interest in historical facts, I am sure you do.

    You are a joke
    Celtic Christianity saved you primitives from your own Dark Age

    The Romans nor anyone else ever did or ever will conquer the British Isles completely you twerp

    Hadrian Wall mean anything to you

    It was a captured Roman British Slave that allowed christian conversion with out Violence
    you ignorant twerp

    yes and we know full well you sent your Heathen Armies to Destroy Christianity in The British Isles
    and they like everyone else came a croper

    The Anglican Christianity that NZ is founded on still has a Celtic British Influence that is why
    YOUR HEAD OF STATE IS THE HEAD OF THE ARMY AND THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH

    IT IS THAT WAY SO THAT THE ENGLISH THE BRITISH AND THE IRISH REMAIN FREE
    AND SO CHRISTIANITY ENDURES

    BECAUSE EVERY ONE KNOWS YOU LITTLE ARROGANT TWERPS ARE OUT TO DESTROY
    ANY THING GOOD IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD INCLUDING NZ

    A CULT IMPORT FROM THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE YOU CHANGE THE NZ FLAG
    YOU SHOULD TAKE A TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST

    You beg the protection of the state and then mock it in the same sentence
    it was ANZACS that allowed you little state of Israel to exist

    DON’T YOU FORGET THAT

    We can see the planned destruction of christianity in every thing you say and everything your do

    and the CHILD MURDER STATS OF YOU CORRUPT little

    South Pacific State which is a Farce

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  206. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    Ben Dover

    Not to worry about nasska >He hones his tongue on kea’s arse.

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  207. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Drrh… stephieboy, the samples from the ‘trousers’ were thrown out because the ‘boys’ didn’t like blood being kept at the Dunedin Police Station. Of course the trousers were kept. Try ‘reporting’ something accurate, where ever your ‘orders’ are coming from the lights have gone out. But stop beating about the bush and tell me why Robin’s blood was in the barrel of the rifle and who he had been fighting when he got those blood smears on his palms. Thanks.

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  208. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Ben Dover, you might want to get that sticky caps lock key looked at :)

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  209. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Of interest are the fortunes of Labour, moving up – particularly with the ‘family support’ proposal.

    Only the last two days of the poling period covered that baby bonus announcement and it’s unraveling so would have only hard a small effect on the poll result.

    It’s more significant that National dropped a bit and that seems to have been picked up by NZ First. Far too soon to talk about trends, a one off poll just as the political year is awakening can’t be taken as very meaningful on it’s own.

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  210. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan these facts relating to the funeral arrangements are beyond, dispute f. David Bain insisted that Robin and Margaret were to be cremated and the three children buried, with a fourth plot left empty for him to occupy later, as he wanted to be buried with his siblings. He even stipulated the positioning of each body within the grave, Arawa with Stephen, him with Laniet.

    A bit over the top IMO.
    Bu then thats PTSD for you.,maybe.?

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  211. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    You are a joke
    Celtic Christianity saved you primitives from your own Dark Age

    The Romans nor anyone else ever did or ever will conquer the British Isles…yes and we know full well you sent your Heathen Armies to Destroy Christianity in The British Isles
    and they like everyone else came a croper

    “Heathen Armies” LOL :)

    Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry

    Mohammed has become the most popular name for newborn boys in Britain.
    It shot up from third the previous year, overtaking Jack, which had topped the list for the past 14 years but was relegated to third spot.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

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  212. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    ‘It’s more significant that National dropped a bit and that seems to have been picked up by NZ First. Far too soon to talk about trends, a one off poll just as the political year is awakening can’t be taken as very meaningful on it’s own.’

    Exactly Pete, of course people who ‘poll’ votes cover a good spectrum of voters, not necessarily all analysts of fine detail, but still the majority view of voters nevertheless. The Greens took an increase as well during a period in which Russell Norman has been silent. Interesting stuff.

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  213. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Stephieboy even seeks to ‘criticise’ how the funeral was arranged despite that David Bain was prevented from attending by those that benefitted financially from Robin’s death, but that’s JFRB for you – no proof just innuendo, lies and speculation.

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  214. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    David Bain was prevented from attending by those that benefitted financially from Robin’s death

    So Dave is not going for that compo now ?

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  215. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Idiot.

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  216. goldnkiwi (1,612 comments) says:

    I guess there was no one else of ‘note’ at the Bain wedding then, that the ‘media thought worthy of a mention at any rate.

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  217. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    David asked for the funeral arrangements according to his parents wishes but thats somehow ‘creepy’ to the witch sniffers and cult that is JFRB
    Drrh Stephieboy, There was extensive blood samples on Robin that were neither collected or tested. Dr Harbisons tests were a few samples from the clothing only, none of the blood on the hands was tested at all, given that there are extensive unidentifed prints all over the rifle and the fact that the chances of identifable prints are around 5% then your so called ‘evidence’ means very little.
    Stephie can you remind me again how much human blood was found on the fingerprint samples taken? answer 0, why was that I wonder?

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  218. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Nostalgia are you now denying that Dr Sally Harbsion took any samples from Robin’s trousers etc for DNA analysis. The same also from David’s clothes for same.?
    Some confusion on your part there,it appears
    The blood in the silencer barrel canard again.?
    Right inside or at the entrance.?
    Remembering, as explained to you on numerous occasions, Boyce conceded under cross examination that a close contact shot did not preclude the possibility of homicide.
    The blood smears etc on Robin’s hands.? In fact they were minuscule ,so much so that it was nigh on impossible to to get representative samples for blood group analysis .
    Tell me though, if Robin was holding the gun as per Boyce’s demo ,why no arterial spray from his head wound ending up on his right hand , or wrist or sleeve of his jersey etc.?
    A pity Boyce wan’t asked the likelihood of a right handed man shooting himself in his opposite temple let alone leaving the silencer on and putting his leg on the chair. Then falling down well away from the chair with an outstretched hand just missing the upright 10 shot magazine. Then Robin’s alleged bloodied hands leaving no fingerprints on the said magazine or the rifle. Recall Winnie did not have bloodied soiled hands and fingerprints were left on David’s gun .unlike Winnie’s .22
    You can see the huge obstacles still ahead for the compo payout .

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  219. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Stephie
    Instead of trying to reargue all the points that the crown have already lost maybe you could show us what a real ‘expert’ you are and give the explanation for Robins death consistent with the evidence that Kieran Raftery couldn’t, i.e. How Robin was ‘shot’ with a close contact, upward trajectory shot, how he had allowed for his ‘murderer’ to have two go’s at firing the final bullet and how he didn’t notice either the computer light, sound or David hiding behind the curtains and stood in such a position to account for the blood splatter on the curtains and just happened to have impressions on his hands matching the rifle magazine. The foot on the chair is a scenario only consistent with the evidence, one more scenario than the crown have, but lets see our ‘expert’ Stephies scenario?
    And you will have to do a lot better than that comedy clip from the freakshow ‘Marzuka’

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  220. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Hey Kea

    Imagine for a moment if I dared to PUT THE BOOT INTO JEWS
    or Maories like you do the IRISH

    Imagine the global Viral Uproar ever wondered why that is

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  221. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan you’d be wrong re blood samples from Robin hands . Hentschel, I believe ,attempted to take samples but were found to be to small for group blood analysis,.
    The samples taken from the trousers ,if you take the trouble and see .the photos, were numerous and big gaping holes. , indicate that Dr Harbison’s analysis ,was both comprehensive and extensive that it could ever possibly be. Have you ever bothered to look.? I wonder.?
    Identifiable fingerprints.? Unidentifiable prints.?
    Well some identifiable print s were found and definitely did not belong to Robin.
    The tiny amounts’ of blood found on Robin’s hands indicate.obviously ,that it’s zilch highly unlikely that he ever handled the bloodied gun in the first place.

    Dr Dempster found the wound Robin suffered was a “near contact wound”, but he considered suicide was unlikely because of the angle and trajectory of the bullet fired through Robin’s head.Even Dr Chapman ,even though he disagreed with Dr Dempster ,conceded that Dr Dempster was in a much better position to make such an assessment as he had only the photos to go by which he found not of good quality.
    Furthermore ,for the umpteenth time, under cross examination Boyce also conceded that close contact wounds did not rule out homicide

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  222. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Well you would again be wrong Stephie, the samples from the hands were not taken at all, yes I have looked.
    Own goal re unidentifiable prints, what is the meaning of unidentifiable Stephie? Dunce
    Instead of making yourself look stupid by making idiotic statements like the ones about the prints and the blood on Daddys hands why not answer the question that the crown can’t and provide the explanation for his ‘murder’
    You are right about contact wounds for once, it only makes suicide around 95% more probable, so Stephie can you tell us how daddys murder fitted in the 5%?

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  223. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    <

    Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry

    <
    Gloating aren't you

    Wonderful how they flock to enjoy the benefits of Christianity isn't it

    Yes and that is what Multiculturalism is
    the destruction of christianity by breeding
    and another attempt at Genocide of White people

    I am pro multiculturalism I think China and Israel and a few fundamentalist Islamic states
    should practice it more

    Perhaps NZ could send them Some Maories and Polynesians
    and any one else to add to their MIX

    I am sure they would return and give our Christian Methods
    the thumbs up

    Cultural Exchanges all for it

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  224. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Hey Kea

    Imagine for a moment if I dared to PUT THE BOOT INTO JEWS
    or Maories like you do the IRISH

    Your new here ? LOL :)

    And I actually agree with you. I also call all the above named groups to account and have nothing against the Irish.

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  225. Rowan (2,604 comments) says:

    Nostradmus @ 6.44
    This is not a popularity contest, as if I care how many people down vote me idiot.

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  226. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    And I actually agree with you. I also call all the above named groups to account and have nothing against the Irish.

    Go Slime someone else S cum bag

    Here’s something to Ponder
    JFK mentioned altering the Federal Reserve
    10 days later he was Dead
    50 year anniversary

    Here’s something else you should know

    Michael Joseph Savage
    New Zealander of the Century
    was Born in Victoria Australia

    In the Same town as Ned Kelly to almost identical circumstances
    He said he rebelled against the same things except used legal means

    Did you know NZ once outlawed banned Irish Catholics from emigrating to your
    politically backward primitive little Centre Right South Pacific Cess pit

    Michael Joseph Savage (if alive)
    would Laugh at YOU YOUR Country your pathetic sets of values or lack of
    YOUR CHILD MURDER RATE your Violence your Drug abuse
    Your blatant Racism

    You and your country are a Joke

    The only thing Bad about Aus is they seem to have let a few too many kiwi scum bags in

    Did you know I had to get a fellow kiwi evicted what a laugh
    No respect for other people there was a lady dieing of cancer
    and these Kiwi scum kept here and her husband up with rowdy
    noise as she was dieing

    REAL SOUTH AUCKLAND SCUM THAT LOT
    a real representation of NZ GVT policy

    It is great not having to pay high taxes to have my life threatened by various ethnics
    like what used to happen in RACIST NEW ZEALAND

    always hiding behind the whitey law eh – or gangs

    Multiculturalism is accepting all other cultures and then sh8tting on your own
    isn’t it Mohamad

    This is what they said
    “I’ll come over your hedge and fark you up you white prick”

    Don’t pretend your My MATE MATE
    go slime up to your communist masters

    I hear John Boy was on the phone to Israel
    when Christchurch was in Ruins

    That’d be Centre Right for you

    Are the Somalians killing the Tongans in Owairaka

    odd they were trying to stop

    the Tongans killing Aborigines in Aus

    Remember all your problems come from the big bad white man
    and his christian system

    If only you replace christianity with

    a Head Hunting Cult pretending to be a Religion

    all will be well

    Because that is what they intend to do
    and what is funnier still is your taxes are going to pay for it to happen

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  227. RichardX (330 comments) says:

    Is be related to Harriet?

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  228. cha (4,137 comments) says:

    related to Harriet?

    Nah, harry-it copies and pastes.

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  229. stephieboy (3,519 comments) says:

    Rowan let the documentation from the Royal Prerogative of mercy application have the final say where, as you will see Peter Hentschell, did make an attempt to take blood samples from Robin ‘s hands but were found to be to small para 113,

                                            Detective Mark Lodge and Mr. Henstchel on the blood evidence

    The blood evidence from Robin’s hands gathered by Detective Mark Lodge and forensic scientist Mr. Henstchel is as follows.

    smear of blood on heal of thumb inside left hand
    smear of blood on left little finger
    no blood on right hand
    splash of blood on nail of second right finger
    spot of blood on outside of left thunb
    scrapings from under Robins fingernails containung possible blood, were also noted by Mr. Hentschel.
    Robin’s hands were also inspected by a detective in charge of the victims, who found dirt around the fingernails and in the creases of his hands. They did not appear to have been washed.
    31 October 2000

    Minister of Justice

    APPLICATION FOR ROYAL PREROGATIVE OF MERCY:

    DAVID CULLEN BAIN

    Section 4.4 – Failure to preserve and analyze blood found on Robin Bain’s hand

    112. The petitioner alleges that the Police and ESR failed to analyze blood stains on Robin’s hands and possibly under his fingernails. He claims that, had this been done, it may have indicated that the blood was from other family members, and that Robin had been involved in the killings.

    113. As noted above, at trial defense counsel cross examined Dr Dempster on the identity of the blood on Robin’s hands, and drew the admission that the blood stain on the left index fingernail had never been analyzed. However, ESR case notes (taken by Mr Hentschel) indicate other samples from Robin’s hands, including swabs taken from Robin’s left little finger, and the base of his thumb, and scrapings from under his fingernails revealed insufficient blood for grouping to be made.

                               ——————————————————-

    So the conclusion that one should draw from the above information is that the blood on Robin’s hands was miniscule, as Mr. Hentschel stated “there was insufficient blood for grouping to be made”.

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