Defamation as a fundraiser

March 8th, 2014 at 2:19 pm by David Farrar

After the Greens used the Craig v Norman case as a fundraiser (I suspect in reality Norman’s costs will be paid for out of their parliamentary budget), has done the same – but with more success.

The Herald reported:

A mock fundraising campaign launched by Conservatives leader Colin Craig to cover his defamation case against Greens co-leader Russel Norman has collected $50,000 in less than a day.

Mr Craig began asking party members for donations today to mimic a campaign by Dr Norman, who was seeking up to $75,000 to cover his legal defence.

He said that it started as a joke among members, but it had “taken on a life of its own”.

The account had already collected around $50,000 including a one-off donation of more than $25,000.

Mr Craig said: “It’s not a case of needing the money. These were people who wanted to participate.”

The party sought donations in the form of pledges which would be collected once the money was required. But many people had paid the money up-front.

Mr Craig said that if the defamation claim went ahead and he won costs, he would ask donors if they wanted their money back. If they did not, he would use the money to fund the party’s election campaign.

This could become a new modern fundraiser for political parties – sue each other for defamation and both sides an then fundraise from it!

The winners? Well, the lawyers of course!

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26 Responses to “Defamation as a fundraiser”

  1. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Good on him!
    I’m not a Conservative supporter but this shows a certain amount of determination and clever tactics (copying the moves of Norman).

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  2. OneTrack (2,838 comments) says:

    Do you think Russel might be regretting getting into the personal attack politics that the Green Party said they were above?

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  3. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I’m just about to go through the old games box to see if I have some Monopoly money to help Wussels defence.
    It’s the sort of cash he is keen on after all! :)

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  4. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    I can’t understand why Russel Norman would make use of such disgusting slogans.

    To say ‘women should be back….. and Gays should be back…’ are comments for Australia – not for the polite place that NZ is.

    Julia Gillard and the Greens used those two disgusting terms to ‘label’ and ‘slander’ Mr Abbott – and were given a free pass by the Australian MSM.

    Well NZ’s polite MSM – with the likes of Andrea Vance – should call mr Norman out on his poor and thoughtless public performance.

    He could have simply used better terms to describe what he ‘thinks’ Mr Craig is thinking – so as not to offend Gay men and Women – but he chose not to. He didn’t care about the feelings of those who he says he represents.

    He is a very poor mannered MP. And the NZ parilment should have no place for him.

    On behalf of all Gay men and lesbian & straight women, I wish Mr Craig all the best in holding Mr Norman to account. :cool:

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  5. WineOh (609 comments) says:

    When I first read it I thought it was a spoof … but then it hit me the hilarity of the situation. Norman must be positively Green with fury that his populist tactics have been used against him.

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  6. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I wonder if Metiria will be hired as Wussels brief?
    She will have to dress properly for the occasion.
    Appearing before the bar in a multicoloured fat tent could add a year to his sentence! :)

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  7. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    Where’s the ‘outrage’ from Gay Men and all Women – and the MSM – for Mr Norman using such disgusting slogans in public?

    Those two vile slogans should have no place in NZ – and formost would be from the mouths of MP’s!

    That’s the question that needs to be answered! :cool:

    When I raised that issue at The Standard – Micky Savage was very very rude to me!

    And one person even said that they were ‘coliqulisms’ – so therefor ok for Mr Russle to use. Really? – when can go about addressing public forums with that kind of language?

    Well not in MY NZ we won’t. :cool:

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  8. alwyn (402 comments) says:

    I understand that David Lange made quite a good income after his time as PM by making defamation claims against anyone who said anything about him that was in other than fawning terms. Most publications would settle with him as it was cheaper than defending the action.
    Unfortunately for Lange, and to the great benefit of every other publication in the future he took on North and South magazine who fought the case at great expense to them. The Court of Appeal finally ruled in their favour, holding that a journalist had a qualified privilege to publish things that were the “honest opinion” of the author.

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  9. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    This has completely back fired on Russell Norman, and now the Green party by association, by playing the man and then trying to use the gay community as his human shield.

    I hear along the grapevine that the same legal team that defended David Lange – who went to defamation court when he was accused of laziness (is that being “thin-skinned” and “not ready for parliament?) – is the same team Colin Craig has hired. Well, roll-out the pop corn in election year, let’s see how savvy Russell Norman is, because Colin Craig (who’s never been in parliament) is all over him.

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  10. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    [but not in a gay way].

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  11. Colville (2,198 comments) says:

    There are a lot of people across the political spectrum that want Norman humiliated. Craig will do well out of it.

    Wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that one of Cun*liffes various secret trusts was a large donor!

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  12. bringbackdemocracy (416 comments) says:

    Conservatives going up in the polls and the Greens going down. I wonder if they will pass each other???

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  13. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    Mr Norman is nothing more than an Aussie slogan thrower – just like Julia was – and the slogans they have both used in public are the same – and disgusting!

    Mr Craig should now publicly offer him a first class ticket home – paid for by Conservatiuves that is. :cool:

    NZ has no place for foul slogans to be used to garner votes from the misfortunate & maginalised people who don’t understand how politics is played in election year.

    The NZ MSM should call him out publicly! :cool:

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  14. Colville (2,198 comments) says:

    The NZ MSM should call him out publicly!

    But the MSN wont, Mr Craig will :-)

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  15. Gulag1917 (818 comments) says:

    This is not a very smart development, the watermelons are no alternative and there goes the Conservative party into oblivion.

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  16. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    A poll (unscientific) showed that seven percent of Americans believe that Elvis Presley is still alive, even though the singer died in 1977.

    A recent (scientific) poll showed that less than one percent of Kiwis believe that Colin Craig’s party should be kept on life support until the elections later this year.

    For God’s sake pull the plug & let the man live out his days with at least some dignity attached to his name. :)

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  17. labrator (1,849 comments) says:

    I’m slowly warming to Craig. If he keeps going like he has a bit of a sense of humour and can break down the outright misrepresentations against him then he could be on to a good thing.

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  18. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Harriet 3.03 pm. I’d cough up $20 to help cover the cost.

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  19. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Colin Craig has been handed a potential lemon, and has turned it into lemonade. That isn’t easy. Anything that’s bad for the ‘Greens’ is good for New-Zealand. Congratulations Colin. It would be nice to see ACT performing at a similar level.

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  20. deadrightkev (344 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is simply standing up for a higher standard of debate which he truly does believe, that is his motivation.

    Even so I am sure Colin will take the political points on offer as a consequence of simply doing the right thing. A gift horse and all that. After all we are talking Wussell.

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  21. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    An informative debate deadrightkev.

    The reality is that government has to balance individual liberty[rights] with the good of society, but too often we don’t hear what is best for society from parliment, but only what is good for the individual – and really only around the idea that the individual ‘feels’ it is good for them – the facts be damned.

    Eg. Is Marriage best to bring up children – or are other relationships?

    No one is saying here that ‘rights’ will be taken away from people – but that government has a choice of 3 things it can do; promote what is good – or prohibit something which is not. Or they can take what is permitted – but which is clearly not good – and not promote it.

    What I mean here is that smoking is permitted – but it is not good for the individual or to a lessor extent wider society – so government do not promote smoking – nor do they prohibit it. No one’s rights end up being infringed and wider society gets the benefits of a healthier population. Promotion or non-promotion of something is the responsability of government.

    No one is suggesting that de-facto relationships are no good, as clearly in some cases they are good, but by far and away Marriage is far better for children and the Married. Government should not promote the idea that de-factos are no good, but there is no harm at all in promoting that Marriage is best – as if it turns out that it isn’t – no-faults divorce can be had by either party.

    That I think is the type of thing that the Conservatives may raise in parliment: unoffensive, truthful, thoughtful and considered debate.

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  22. Pete George (23,354 comments) says:

    It wasn’t a mock fundraising campaign, it was a mocking campaign.

    This is clever campaigning by Craig but it makes a farce of the defamation case.

    …has collected $50,000 in less than a day.

    I’m a bit dubious about this. Craig has been known to promote dubious numbers to inflate his importance before. Has there been anything that supports this claim? And if there are $50k in donations, has Craig donated to the fund himself?

    Colin Craig is simply standing up for a higher standard of debate which he truly does believe, that is his motivation.

    Craig does seem to truly believe there should be a higher standard of debate, and I support him on that. But this defamation action is carefully calculated to promote himself with “higher standard of debate” being a convenient excuse. He said on The Nation that he picks his battles – for maximum publicity.

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  23. Psycho Milt (2,368 comments) says:

    On behalf of all Gay men…

    I never knew, Harriet. Very brave of you to come out on this blog, I must say.

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  24. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    “……..On behalf of all Gay men…

    I never knew, Harriet. Very brave of you to come out on this blog, I must say…….”

    On behalf of………I’m just pointing out that they should stand up for themselves and not be used in the way that Norman is using them. Now if it had been Craig who had said those disgusting slogans………..

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  25. Radman (139 comments) says:

    I hear along the grapevine that the same legal team that defended David Lange – who went to defamation court when he was accused of laziness (is that being “thin-skinned” and “not ready for parliament?) – is the same team Colin Craig has hired. Well, roll-out the pop corn in election year, let’s see how savvy Russell Norman is, because Colin Craig (who’s never been in parliament) is all over him.

    No, it’s you who is all over Craig in a very gay way. You are practically licking his balls with every comment you make!!! It horrifies me that defamation is being abused in this way. And your felching of Colin makes it worse!!!

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  26. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Hold on. You derided the Greens for being tricky. Now Colin gets a ‘good on him’. What gives?

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