Jones v Hughes

March 11th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Labour economic development spokesman has taken a swipe at the Greens, calling ocean spokesman a “mollyhawk” for comments Jones says “undermine” the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

A hearing began today to consider an application by Trans-Tasman Resources (TTR) to mine iron ore from the seabed off the west coast of the North Island. …

The Greens also called for a moratorium on all seabed mining until it was proved “unequivocally safe”.

A standard impossible to meet. They also I presume call for a ban on cars until they also are proved “unequivocally safe”.

Jones used an interview on Radio Waatea today to take a swing at Labour’s potential coalition partner, saying its activist stance was inappropriate for a government-in-waiting.

“Minerals and exploration is an essential part of the economy and the process shouldn’t be undermined by political commentary,” he said.

“There’s a standard to be observed between parliamentary figures and state bodies.

“I’ve been warned not to crisscross the Commerce Commission investigation, if it’s good enough for me as the Labour economic development spokesman, then it’s good enough for Gareth Hughes.”

The EPA was also independent from the Government, and Jones said governments-in-waiting needed to observe constitutional proprieties.

Hughes’ contributions were unhelpful, and “carrying on like a mollyhawk” would not achieve anything, he said.

A mollyhawk is a type of gull. I’m not sure quite what Jones is trying to call Hughes by calling him one.

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46 Responses to “Jones v Hughes”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Jones needs to split from Labour and start his own party. Or join and lead NZ First.

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  2. Roflcopter (463 comments) says:

    I’m not sure quite what Jones is trying to call Hughes by calling him one.

    Coz he can’t say “fucking prat” on radio…. even though he should.

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  3. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    It’s a mollyMawk isn’t it??

    Seagulls of all types tend to screech loudly for no particularly good reason…

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  4. mjw (396 comments) says:

    I would like a ban on the Greens until they are proved “unequivocally safe.”

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  5. marcw (251 comments) says:

    Mollyhawk Defn: Squawks a lot making no intelligent sense, swoops in and takes what it can scavenge, bullies all the other inhabitants, flies off and shits from a great height leaving everone else to clean up the smell and mess left behind.

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  6. marcw (251 comments) says:

    Shane Jones would do best if he did a deal with the Maori Party to be co-leader – would be a guaranteed shoe in to Parliament, and probably an Associate Minister in John Key’s cabinet.

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  7. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    Would never vote for him, but I’m liking Jones more and more.

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  8. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    It is a kind of marine bird that squawks, a lot.

    Good call!

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  9. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Jones is possibly the only Labour politician I have time for.

    But this “government in waiting” crap is a little presumptuous for this rabble.

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  10. Maggy Wassilieff (411 comments) says:

    from Dictionary of NZ English: “mollyhawking: a trawlermen’s term for poaching fish from an area already being worked by another boat”

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  11. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    But this “government in waiting” crap is a little presumptuous for this rabble.

    They put themselves up for election so presumably they want to be the government.

    If they want to be the government, they should act like one.

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  12. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    I expect Silent T to give Blue Shame Jones a good dressing down.

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  13. Liberty (267 comments) says:

    Jones is picking a fight with Labour/Green
    Which will give him and excuse to walk.
    Right over to NZF. Whose frail leader will retire?

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  14. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    >The Greens also called for a moratorium on all seabed mining until it was proved “unequivocally safe”.

    But, strangely, they support cannabis decriminalisation even though it has been proved to be unequivocally unsafe with all the normal health risks of smoking, potential psychological effects, and the dangers associated with people driving while under the influence.

    Inconsistent? Or the sort of policy that you’d dream up while stoned?

    The Greens are NZ’s least successful political party. National, Maori, Dunne, and ACT are in government. Labour and NZ First have been in government. Even Hone has been in government, although Mana have not. The only party that has never EVER been in government are the Greens. Because the Greens are everyone’s last choice of coalition partner. Fifteen years of failure.

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  15. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    from Dictionary of NZ English: “mollyhawking: a trawlermen’s term for poaching fish from an area already being worked by another boat”

    As in, “Oi! These are OUR voters. Get your own!”?

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  16. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    I don’t know too much about Shane Jones, apart from the obvious – but can anyone tell me why he is part of Labour when his ideas seem to be pro-economy and pro-business?

    He also seems to me to be the only front bench politician in Labour who has any actual principles – the others come across like they would sell their own grandmothers to get a vote, and are willing to say anything at all regardless of having done any research into matters.

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  17. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    DPF, you’re not sure what sort?

    They are big black and white bastards which pick the eyes out of lambs as they are being born.

    Very much ilke the Greens, in fact.

    Excellent metaphor, Mr Jones.

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  18. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    Shane Jones has no future in Labour. Winston Peters will never retire.

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  19. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    davidp: Very good point…one of the things which most amused me in my short time in parliament was the debate on the legalisation of “medicinal” marijuana…On EVERY single law and order issue – and lots of others besides – the Greens raised the “slippery slope” argument as a reason to vote against….but lo and behold! There was no danger at all from the slippery slope of medical marijuana! It would never be prescribed by tame doctors without a legitimate reason; it would never be sold to those without a prescription; no-one would ever misuse a licence to grow it for legal purposes…

    They claim to be highly principled, but the watermelons are actually the most unprincipled polis in the NZ Parliament…

    DJP: I agree…the only time Winston will retire is if he is forced to, or his liver finally gives out…

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  20. lazza (381 comments) says:

    A Mollyhawk is a hybrid Skua-Blac Back that lurks around refuse disposal dumps and sewer outfalls … sorta appropriate No?

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  21. Nookin (3,361 comments) says:

    Mollyhawk

    Swoops in, screeches, shits everywhere and disappears without leaving any lasting benefit

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  22. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    We are truly a very stupid nation if people are suddenly praising Shane Jone.
    Have we forgotten his deeds already?
    Double dipping when he first came into parliament and refused to give up his fisheries role until Clark made him a minister.
    Feeding the geese all over the taxpayers backs with his porn on the ministerial credit card .
    And far and away the worst deed in my opinion was the granting of citizenship to a wanted criminal against the advice of every govt department that had any input.
    Many murky stories in the north about bills being paid from unusual cheque books when they were paid at all.

    Memory fade is at pandemic levels in NZ.
    A few populist pontifications do not redeem him.
    He was right on the penguin killing duke of the Koru club though.
    Gareth Hughes is a waste of skin.

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  23. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    There is **nothing at all wrong** with seabed mining. It is the *cleanest* mining around.

    Any fish in the area will naff off for a while when they see the dredge.
    The sand on the seabed will get dredged up, the iron ore removed and the remainder put back on the seabed.
    Big deal.

    The process is *no different* to a naturally-occurring undersea landslide that scrambles up the seabed for a while.
    Should we legislate against *those?*

    The mined seabed will be back to normal **within a month** of mining finishing.

    If the sea and coast can recover from the Exxon Valdez oil spill., it can recover (*very fast*) from seabed mining.

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  24. Don the Kiwi (1,763 comments) says:

    I have always understood a Mollyhawk to be an immature black backed gull. The mollyhawks are the young ones that still have they brown and white feathers. When they are fully mature, they are fully black and white.
    But all the other descriptions fit the hobbit dwarf Gareth Hughes – immature as well.

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  25. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    I think Jones has made a really good point here. The Greens, in particular, seem to think that the Rule of Law only applies to things that they agree with. Red Russ on Kim Dotcom is the most obvious example but take pretty much any Environment Court ruling that doesn’t match their ideology and you have the Greens advocating that it should be ignored.

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  26. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Have we forgotten his deeds already?

    I’m a hell of a lot more comfortable with the PM being somebody who got caught out watching porn than somebody who thinks that living in a $2.5 million dollar mansion is middle of the road.

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  27. Liberty (267 comments) says:

    “We are truly a very stupid nation if people are suddenly praising Shane Jone.”
    Who is praising Jones? He a xenophobic redneck and his Natural home is NZF.
    If Jones takes support from labour and NZF get 4.99999% I don’t see a problem.

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  28. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Airmiles Hughes doesn’t seem to have a problem with frequent use of taxpayer funded air travel which is not only emissions intensive but also far from being unequivocally safe. Perhaps Jones meant mollyhawk to mean one who shits all over the environment while making a lot of squawking.

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  29. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    Jones setting himself up with a reason to jump ship.
    Before or after September is the only question.

    IMHO Jones would take quite a few Labour votes with him if he went, NZF would easy do the 5% threshold.

    Edit.
    Also worth note that with Jones and Craig chucking stones at the Greens glasshouse it may make a decent dent in their voters numbers.

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  30. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    David G>They claim to be highly principled, but the watermelons are actually the most unprincipled polis in the NZ Parliament…

    Just to be clear, I’d be quite happy to legalise cannabis provided it was illegal to drive under the influence and we had road-side cannabis breathalysers. But I’m also happy to drill for oil and gas, eat GM food, and think climate change is hysteria. I reject the “precautionary principle” in favour of a realistic risk assessment process. Whereas the Greens seem to invoke the precautionary principle to ban anything they don’t like unless it meets an unrealistic standard of safety, while they ignore it when it suits them.

    It is the Green inconsistency that annoys me. And their pandering to anti-Chinese racists. Racism is beyond the pale and has been for a long time.

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  31. Paulus (2,633 comments) says:

    Talking of principals – where is Miss Teletubby – is she still having a fitting for her new clothes ?

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  32. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill

    And far and away the worst deed in my opinion was the granting of citizenship to a wanted criminal against the advice of every govt department that had any input.

    I agree. This seems to have been forgotten – how much was he paid to make that decision ?

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  33. flipper (4,084 comments) says:

    Well Jones hits the bulls eye yet again, and draws support from the center and center-right.

    I KNOW that the only Labour “leader” candidate that draws any water with National is Jones. The result was a relief for National. Cunliffe is a liar, Robertson is as much a threat as my brother in law who lives the usual lifestyle in NY’s Greenwich village.

    If Flavell were smart he would poach him with a nod and wink from JK!

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  34. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    These sea birds’ official name seems to be mollymawks, rather than mollyhawks, though the latter term is frequently used.

    From Wikipedia:

    The name mollymawk was coined in the 17th century from the German rendering of the Dutch Mallemugge, which meant mal – foolish and mok – gull.

    Below is a reference, though it links to another which calls the bird mollyhawk.

    In the South Island at least, the birds are sometimes called just “mollies”. They are bigger than gulls, and I think are a type of albatross.

    Some pictures:

    http://www.pelagicodyssey.ca/page8/photos/

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  35. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Paulus>where is Miss Teletubby – is she still having a fitting for her new clothes ?

    Accidentally locked herself in her dungeon?

    Supposedly she and Norm are co-leaders. You’d assume that meant they were equal. But Norman seems to be the one running with the big issues and who is in the news on a frequent basis. I wonder if Turei ever feels resentful that she has been patronised with a co-leader title when she is, in effect, a deputy leader. And that the only reason she is being patronised is because she is a woman. Maybe a woman loses her dignity when she joins the Greens?

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  36. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    davidp

    Wash you mouth out with carbolic soap.

    How dare you suggest she is being patronised because she is a woman?

    She is being patronised because she is a Maori woman.

    Had she just one leg of a withered right arm she would have been the Leader Suprema.

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  37. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    New Zealand you can vote for who you will.
    Do you want a communist Australian, red. vote here be brave ,
    love New Zealand

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  38. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Jones will be summonsed to the “Rainbow Room” over this. Hopefully he won’t be accorded attention many of the gaggle would like impose.

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  39. Broomeinwelly (4 comments) says:

    Man that Jones boy is one clever chap.

    Mollymawks are medium sized albatrosses. What Jones is doing here, is cleverly saying that the Green’s are like the albatross as in Coleridge’s The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

    Some guys on here are missing the significance of Jones effectively saying the Green’s are like a curse.

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  40. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The poor divas and queers at The sub-Standard are foaming at the mouth: Jones is a serial offender!
    Even the crim, dope addict, and eternal bludger Ure comments in that sewer.

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  41. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    But it was reported that Jones called Hughes a mollyhawk, not a mollymawk. The former is a black backed gull, the latter various types of albatross.

    If it’s good enough for me, in Labour, it’s good enough for the Green mollyhawk to do the same thing with that statutory organisation,” he says.

    http://www.waateanews.com/waateanews?story_id=NjUzMA==

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  42. Maggy Wassilieff (411 comments) says:

    Sorry P.G….. mollyhawk is a variant word use of mollymawk…. check out H.W. Orsman ” The Oxford Dictionary of NZ English”.

    ps. you’ve gotta know how to check facts if you’re editing a fact-checking service.

    pps. personal disclosure: I was the plant editorial advisor for DNZE

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  43. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Thanks Maggy. That wasn’t a comprehensive fact checking exercise. I thought NZ Birds Online was a reasonable source. Collins:

    mollyhawk
    (New Zealand) the juvenile of the southern black-backed gull (Larus dominicanus)

    mollymawk
    (New Zealand) an informal name for mallemuck

    I don’t have that version of the Oxford Dictionary of New Zealand English.

    Online is The New Zealand Oxford Dictionary, it only lists mollymawk.

    The Encyclopedia of New Zealand:

    New Zealand’s smaller albatrosses
    Mollymawks The Thalassarche albatrosses, sometimes known as mollymawks, are considerably smaller than the great albatrosses.

    http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/search/teara?keys=mollymawk

    No entry for mollyhawk.

    It’s not surprising that the two might get confused in general usage.

    Additional facts and references are always a possibility in research.

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  44. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    And Jones has said he meant ‘hawk’.

    @GarethMP Mar 10

    Jones is calling me a mollyhawk. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9810796/Hughes-a-mollyhawk-JonesProbably … maybe it’s because like a seabird I care deeply about the marine environment ;-)

    @matuashane Mar 10

    @southernlimitnz @normnz @GarethMP actually it is hawk! Talk to those us who put up with wretched bird@beach and on farm, not academics!

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  45. Maggy Wassilieff (411 comments) says:

    @ Pete George…. I unequivocally withdraw my facetious post script about your ability to fact check.

    Good luck with politicheck.

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  46. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Shane Jones clears up the mollyhawk/mollymawk confusion:

    “I’m from Kaitaia. I know it’s mollyhawk in the north. Further down the line it’s mollymawk. Now I could’ve got my names wrong but people should just loosen up.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11217836

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