General Debate 24 April 2014

April 24th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe on Shane Jones “When a totara falls in the forest another totara grows to take it’s place”.

    How rooted is the Labour totara?

    What now for Labour? A major makeover must be a minimum.

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  2. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See “Tojo” Cunliffe greasing to RSA members (trying to buy votes) . . . does not hide the fact he detests the movement, wishing it were abolished, favoured sacrificing thousands of Allied and US troops instead of dropping the bombs on Japan, would not be surprised to see him wearing a white poppy, that being a family trait. He is a charlatan, the type that tells young people of personal war exploits, similar to his claims of organising Fonterra, voluntary social work, Forest and Bird works also. He is a loser! Also, does this rainbow socialist disgrace not want to erect a monument to Japanese prisoners who rioted and tried to escape from a PoW camp in the Waiararapa? What about the thousands of Allied troops tortured to death by Japan during the war . . . of course “Tojo” does not give a stuff for them, only their relatives’ votes!

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  3. doggone7 (850 comments) says:

    igm:

    I guess you’re not going to vote for him then? Having coming to terms with that the world is our oyster for having a lovely, positive productive, extremely happy day!

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  4. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    I see Z stuck the price of fuel up overnight , under the cover of darkness , scumbags..I seen ya!

    The dollar is still on .86 against the US…there is no excuse for your greed.

    Boycott Z for a month…go to Mobil. ( they hate each other )

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  5. EAD (1,454 comments) says:

    Following the “Spirit level” which was quickly rebutted by the “spirit level delusion”, surprise, surprise another lefty academic has come out and hit out at “increasing inequality”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-23/flash-boys-has-been-dethroned-top-amazon-bestseller-list-book

    Zerohedge takes apart the latest inequality best seller and aside from it’s usual piece of humour:
    “One wonders who finds the time to read the 696 page tome whose core thesis is well-known for socialists the world over: under capitalism the rich, or hoarders of capital, get steadily richer in relation to everyone else; inequality gets worse and worse and it’s all unavoidable, between #Selfies, The Voice semi-finals, and Dance Moms finales”

    So we’ve got the lefties jumping up and down but as Zerohedge notes, the authors have a MASSIVE blindspot as to why inequality was at it’s lowest in 1971 and has been rising relentlessly ever since……….1971 was of course the year the World left the Bretton Woods Gold Standard.

    This is the one point that the liberals do not want to discuss or even acknowledge. But of course, when we allow banks to create money, lend it to the the already wealthy at preferential rates in order to acquire inflating assets, and with all the extra money in circulation causing an inevitable and ongoing inflation which will affects the poor more so than the rich – of course “inequality” is going to rise

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  6. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Meteria Turei on TV3 wearing one red and one white poppy.What an insult to all servicemen this week.

    Jones jumps ship. He must have negotiated that exit with Notional.

    He’ s a trougher , a member of the permanent political class, and National are wrong to create a taxpayer funded sinecure for the pig.

    I think his and National’s behaviour is,if not actually corrupt ,then morally bankrupt.

    national are meant to be cutting public debt not creating new debt.

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  7. fernglas (199 comments) says:

    What is wrong with traffic management in Auckland when a crash at 5am hasn’t been cleared over 3 hours later? It’s not good enough to say that serious crashes need to be properly investigated. To stake a claim as a major city, you cannot just shut down the transport system every time someone prangs their car. Take the photo’s, tow the car and get things moving. I lived in London, and even serious fatals were cleared off the motorways very quickly and with a limited amount of disruption, and nobody seemed the worse for it.

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  8. mandk (1,033 comments) says:

    Pete George: “David Cunliffe on Shane Jones “When a totara falls in the forest another totara grows to take it’s place”.”

    That’s OK. Totara trees are very slow growing and take hundreds of years to reach maturity.

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  9. peterwn (3,338 comments) says:

    dirty harry – Mobil may or may not follow suit. If Mobil and/or BP do not follow suit, Z will lower its price. It is like ‘mating calls’ within the industry – Z cannot ask Mobil or BP if they plan to put prices up or down – that would upset the Commerce Commission, so they publicise a price rise and see how the others react.

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  10. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Boy are the Greens vitriolic over Jones. News this morning had a few comments. The are the real haters and wreckers that Clark identified but failed to shame.

    They are evil and subversive bastards where the end justifies the means.
    True communists in green colours.

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  11. Albert_Ross (337 comments) says:

    Here’s something from the Australian Institute (http://www.tai.org.au/content/sustaining-us-all-retirement). A case of “the grass is greener” I guess – some in NZ think we should adopt the Australian approach to superannuation, some in Australia think they should adopt the NZ approach. The summary says:

    “The age pension currently costs $39 billion and superannuation tax concessions will cost the budget around $35 billion in 2013-14. These concessions are projected to rise to $50.7 billion in 2016-17, an increase of around 12 per cent per annum. By this time superannuation tax concessions will be the single largest area of government expenditure. The overwhelming majority of this assistance flows to high income earners. Low income earners receive virtually no benefit. The combined cost of these two policies will be $74 billion in 2014 alone. With an ageing population the dual pension/superannuation system will become increasingly expensive. The government’s own projections are that the cost of super tax concessions as a share of GDP will exceed that of the age pension by 2016-17.

    This paper … proposes that we abolish tax concessions for superannuation and create a universal (non-means-tested) age pension. This proposed system is similar to the approach taken in New Zealand where labour force participation among older people is higher than in Australia.”

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  12. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    Viking2 (10,735 comments) says:

    April 24th, 2014 at 8:32 am….

    Yep…

    And that is why they are known throughout Europe as the Red Melons.

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  13. Bill (94 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  14. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    So what communist policies do the Greens espouse?

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  15. EAD (1,454 comments) says:

    @ Mikenmild 8.39

    People pushing a “green” agenda tend to be Statists – whatever flavour (Communist/Socilaist/Fascist) they come in doesn’t matter as they all share the same underlying philosophy in that they want to control every aspect of your life.

    Did you know Hitler was one of the first of the Greenies? (read James Delingpole below)

    http://jamesdelingpole.com/tag/hitler/

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  16. Nookin (3,571 comments) says:

    MM

    How about absolute state control of the supply of electricity with a pricing structure that achieves wealth distribution?

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  17. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Careful, Bill…. you’ll trip over your lip…. :lol:

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  18. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Any sane voter knows the Greens are red.

    The problem is for voters who voted blue but got pink instead.

    Attacking private property rights (anti tobacco legislation)ETS,continued racial funding,partial asset sales(taxpayer is still majority owner),continued massive public debt to fund continued middle class welfare,Labour social engineering supported in same sex marriage ,families not supported when the Green anti parent bill stays in force,creating public office for ship jumping trougher etc etc

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  19. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    peterwin

    Re: ‘Z cannot ask Mobil or BP if they plan to put prices up or down’

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. The Big Four in New Zealand (Mobil, Z, BP, Caltex) are a cartel in all but name. They share the same refinery at Marsden Point (New Zealand’s only one BTW), and DO take it in turns to raise and lower prices. Just watch and note what happens.

    Z has raised prices this week, and by so-doing ‘supposedly’ sets the price at level ‘X’. The ‘others’, (again supposedly), citing a fear that they will suffer a ‘loss of profits’ will now raise their prices to follow. It’s quite cyclical and cynical and a direct consequence of a monopoly. After things settle down and the public get used to the raised prices, it will be (probably, based on previous actions), BP’s turn to increase the price, and so on and so on.

    Be under no illusions, these organisation DO talk to each other (and at ‘head office’ level are very intertwined) and ‘play’ the country as they wish.

    ‘Outside’ oil prices have little real effect on the local prices.

    As there is no real competition (Gull is too small) , and the Government still gets its ‘cut’ on every litre that is sold, nothing will change any time soon.

    As I said, watch and see what happens; it’s actually very interesting.

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  20. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    flapper

    They are not known as RED Melons you dingbat.The red is redundant.

    They are melons……green on the outside red inside.

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  21. Auberon (779 comments) says:

    I had one of those terrible flashback moments in the car this morning. No, I didn’t start braying like a donkey and tear all my clothes off – those flashbacks are thankfully becoming rarer – but suddenly I was back in 2006.

    Why? NewstalkZB had decided for the first time seven or eight years to interview a man called Martin Dunn, of City Sales, and refer to him as a property commentator – when in fact he’s an apartment salesman. And what was Mr Dunne’s message? That the Reserve Bank was cruelly hurting young people wanting to get onto the property ladder (and pay Mr Dunn a commission in the process) by raising the OCR to 3%.

    Not a good day for NewstalkZB. Buying property when you’re just out of nappies isn’t a birthright. And being allowed to borrow more than you can afford to pay, as it would seem Mr Dunn would advocate, is what got us in so much excrement last time.

    Hopefully the station can find a property commentator with fewer vested interests next time. The past six years haven’t been that flash, but its been a relief not to have constantly heard the likes of Martin Dunn hawking apartments every time you turn the radio on!

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  22. jp_1983 (237 comments) says:

    Yes they may change the eligibility for Veterans. However they will most likely raise the age to 67 and will means test the pension.
    Read the fine print.. just like the baby bonus..

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  23. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    So, not communists then…

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  24. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    “Z”, they that were going to show the market how service stations and business in general should be run. They have achieved stuff all!

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  25. jp_1983 (237 comments) says:

    “Z”, they that were going to show the market how service stations and business in general should be run. They have achieved stuff all!

    —- Of course the NZ Super Fund owns them, support them and you may get a pension one day

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  26. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Bill – are you suggesting that Jones timed his Easter contemplation to protect Collins?

    Are you aware that the Pacific Fisheries option has been on the go for months, years?

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  27. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Auberon
    Bob Jones gets into Martin Dunn in this column. Dunn does seem to be a bit of a lightweight. Not sure why Newstalk interviews him as City Sales is hardly a major firm.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11199519

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  28. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Not sure why Newstalk interviews him as City Sales is hardly a major firm.

    The cynic in me suggests the reason is simple: Dunn advertises a LOT on NewstalkZB.

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  29. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    The Germans seem to be waking up to the madness that green energy policies are.
    Great satirical video in the link. You know it’s over when laughing at the Greens goes mainstream
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/23/Germany-discovers-sense-of-humour-loses-faith-in-green-energy

    “But what’s clear from this video is that Germany’s problems are the same as our problems, which is to say that their economic growth and their standards of living are being held hostage by an out-of-touch political class in thrall to a green, activist-driven ideology long past its sell-by date.
    As the video notes, every single German must now pay Euros 240 a year (“a total of 21.8 billion Euros for power which on the market had a value of only 2 billion. That’s sick!”) in order to subidise worthless green energy projects – such as the ugly wind farms for which swathes of forest are being cut down and the ludicrous solar panels now found on every other roof (in a country not exactly known for its sunshine) – which, as even Germany’s former Godfather of Green Professor Fritz Vahrenholt has now conceded, are the wrong solution to the wrong problem.”

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  30. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What about these left-wing organised ferals and their brats displaying ignorant and irrational envy in Napier? The suburb has and always will be, a breeding ground for ferals, being top heavy with DPB-funded Labour/Green lovers, living lives of Riley in taxpayer-funded State houses!.

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  31. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    Well, I’ve seen Jones operate within the Treaty of Waitangi Fisheries Commission, and have some direct experience of Pacific Island fisheries challenges. I don’t think we have anyone is better qualified than Jones. And he’s got a chance to do a lot more good there than he will in national politics. I don’t think speculation about the timing should take anything away from his suitability for the role.

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  32. EAD (1,454 comments) says:

    Don’t always agree with Pat Condell but he hit’s it out of the park with this one:

    Europe needs a revolution, a democratic revolution and it needs it fast less it becomes a violent revolution.

    I hope Nigel Farage & UKIP send a big shot across the next month in the EU elections and lead Britain out of the EU and begins kicking in the door of the whole rotten edifice.

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  33. Chris2 (775 comments) says:

    Anyone see that couple on Campbell Live last night whining about having to wait five years in the queue for taxpayer funded fertility treatment? Apparently interviewed in their pretty flash house too.

    Why on earth is the Government funding this at all? If this couple want kids then they should fund it themselves.

    The cost of fertility treatment is a fraction the cost of bringing up a child, so if they can’t afford the cost of the treatment themselves, then clearly they can not afford to bring up a child either, and should not have one.

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  34. Bill (94 comments) says:

    Pete george @8.59
    Jones was a bought man. The Easter story is bull. National had him by the shorts and curlies.

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  35. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    The V8Supercars are in Auckland this weekend and yesterday there was a bit of a display / meet a few of the drivers / wheel changing competition in Aotea Square – plenty of petrol heads and because it’s school holidays, lots of kids.

    And then up jumps the Mayor to present the cup to Mark Winterbottom’s team for the wheel change competition…. only to be greeted by a chorus of boos…. Heh. And laughter all round when some wag asked rather loudly if he was still wanking at the office.

    But I doubt you’ll hear about / read about that in the MSM.

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  36. mandk (1,033 comments) says:

    All_on_Red,

    Very funny, but I expect the Revd. griffith will be along soon to instruct us on the error of our ways.

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  37. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Chris2

    The debasement of our democrcy is such that we now expect our government to fund just about anything and almost literally every thing.

    It has become part of our culture.

    The other day National Radio reported some woman annoyed the gummint hasn’t funded bringing home her deceased husband/partner after a traffic accident in Egypt.

    I thought that’s what one got travel insurance for. And don’t tell me you’re poor if you can afford a holiday in a shit hole like Egypt.Stupid place to go at the best of times.

    And why would National radio cover that at all? Cos the gummint should be paying!

    When will people wake up to the fact that the gummint has to borrow billions to keep operating.

    We don’t need holidays in Egypt or Greece ,we’re there already.

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  38. mandk (1,033 comments) says:

    @ Bill,

    Just accept that Jones had an epiphany, and came to realise that there was no longer any place in today’s Labour party for anyone who really cares about the NZ economy and the welfare of people on Struggle Street.

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  39. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Waitangi Fisheries Commission?

    Another racist, taxpayer funded rort.

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  40. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    Penny Bright on Oravida – There is a LOT more to come on this

    Why?
    I would have thought in the interests of transparency, anti-corruption and “one law for all”, there would be several “open” OIA letters asking about Cunliffe’s “leadership-primary” trust and his refusal to name two donors, although he accepted their money and held it for some time, maybe actually used it and had to return other money when he was found out.

    As New Zealand Oil and Gas funded Shane Jones, why not hedge their bets with Cunliffe too, aiming at the same illegal influence of Parliament: the outside instigation of Labour attacks on the Greens position?

    Transparency, anti-corruption and “one law for all” be buggered.

    Penny’s choice of target says more about her actual motivation than her comments here usually do, as much as they take in finger exercising to scroll on by.

    [PS: Where is the transparet, anti-corruption, “one law for all”exposé on how fucking inefficient Auckland City Council is on recovering rates in arrears?]

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  41. Chris2 (775 comments) says:

    kowtow – you are absolutely correct. Another example is this recent Court decision about ACC’s privacy waiver form being declared unlawful, and the media screaming to ACC “are you going to apologise to the 750,000 claimants who signed it?”

    People forgot ACC have a responsibility to ensure the money for this taxpayer/employer/motorist funded scheme is properly spent and if that means claimants have to sign a broad privacy-waiver form to allow it investigators to ensure a claim is genuine, then I am all for it. It would be interesting to compare ACC’s consent with that of private insurer’s.

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  42. EAD (1,454 comments) says:

    @ kowtow,

    The truth as both you and I know is that the government doesn’t have any money as it doesn’t create any wealth, it transfers what it steals via taxes or inflation(borrowing). Instead of asking the government to fund them, what sort of reception would they get if they stole a little bit from every other person in the country?

    It is like how Maori tribes all settle with “the crown” when in truth, there is no real entity called the crown. It is merely a literally device to stop the peons realise they’re being rorted by king taniwha.

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  43. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Sofia,

    Penny claims to be non-partisan, but the fact that she has shown virtually no interest in Cunliffe’s secret trust but is obsessed with Collins is proof that claim is a load of horse manure.

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  44. lilman (974 comments) says:

    Saw on Telly to other night a woman who wanted a bigger house for her and her 4 kids,she was desperate to get the Kids settled as she has a terminal disease.
    Felt for lady as she is trying to cover a lot of bases with little time.
    What I refuse to accept is that the state SHOULD provide for her children a 4 bedroom house,really?
    I have 4 children and we live in a 3 bedroom house the kids share a room and they are surviving,I would love more space but the Taxpayer isnt giving me a bigger house,and rightly so.
    I would tell her sorry you made your decision to turn down a 3 bedroom house then you stay right where you are.

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  45. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    James Delingpole doesn’t do science he does made up facts out his arse for fuckwits to get confused with
    He admits he doesn’t read any actual science to get his views.

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/01/25/207397/delingpole-meltdown-on-bbc-climate-scienc/

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  46. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Penny claims to be non-partisan, but the fact that she has shown virtually no interest in Cunliffe’s secret trust but is obsessed with Collins is proof that claim is a load of horse manure.

    Collins is at the center of a much larger issue of systemic corruption.

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  47. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    kowtow (6,722 comments) says:
    April 24th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Calm down there old thing.This is not the days of ole Joe McCarthy reds under the bed. But I suppose in your deluded way s it “really “is.
    I suggest get off your keyboard and do some door knocking for the 2% Con Party. ( oops ! 1.3 % ) But do see your Doctor before hand.

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  48. gonzo (6 comments) says:

    “When a totara falls in the forest another totara grows to take it’s place”.”

    When I heard that I thought – that sums up the issue with David Cunliffe – that line just does not come across as genuine. Shane Jones could say that, Cunliffe can not.
    Humans are (generally) very very good at picking up authenticity. There are some things I actually don’t mind about him. I saw him speak on unbundling many years ago – impressive and charasmatic (seriously!).
    But he will almost certainly fail as a politician. I can guarantee that their research amongst swing voters is saying – “I don’t trust him – not sure why”.
    He is constantly having to pretend to be someone he is not, and say things that he thinks he SHOULD be saying. Hard enough to do in private life. Impossible in the public eye.

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  49. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Joe McCarthy was right.There were reds under the bed.He helped stem the tide.A true hero.

    Today though they sit in parliament ,disguised as “progressives”.

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  50. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is toast. Barring a miracle they have almost no chance of winning the election. MMP may make things tighter, and either or both ACT and the Conservatives need to win a seat and poll over 1%, but still unless Labour can get their poll ratings up significantly, and that seems unlikely, they are done.

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  51. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Re; fuel…We pay 2.17 for regular 91…in Sydney 1.45….why the big difference?

    Imagine what rorting will go on when the dollar sinks to .60 against the US..we will be paying 3 bucks a litre.

    If only we could all come together and organise a” boycott a fuel brand month ” we could teach them a lesson or two.

    If nobody turned up at a mobil service station for a month..they would shit their pants. The price would certainly drop back pronto.

    Geeeeez I hate oil companies.

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  52. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    OCR up again 25 points

    What the bums pucker up in the Auckland property market…

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  53. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    dh

    Re: ‘I hate oil companies’.

    To quote one Fozzie Bear, ‘Can’t live with ‘em. can’t live without ‘em. . . ‘

    It’s a conundrum, really.

    .

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  54. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    With the forthcoming Comedy festival in mind,

    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth … Then he said “let there be light . And there was light . Which means he made the entire universe in the dark. How *#%ing good is that .He’s brilliant.”

    Rick Gervais.

    ‘ I was born in Melbourne with a precious gift. Dame nature stooped over my cot and gave me this gift . It was the ability to laugh at the mis fortunates of others.”

    Dame Edna Everage.

    ” You can’t get a suit of armour and a rubber chicken just like that..You have tot plan ahead.”

    Michael Pallin.

    ” Acting is all about faking things…so the best training is to have difficult parents.”

    John Cleese .

    I’m a yes- man living in no – man’s land.”

    Rhys Darby.

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  55. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    as I said go and visit your Doctor , and quickly.!

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  56. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    Ukraine is reaching ignition point as Biden’s visit bears its poisonous fruit:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-23/sergey-lavrov-if-russian-troops-or-people-attacked-well-retaliate

    Churkin (Russian UN Ambassador) once again raises the $5 billion the US spent on its regime change let slip weeks ago by Victoria Nuland, the wife of the PNAC leader:
    http://rt.com/news/154112-churkin-ukraine-eu-us/ (at the bottom is a nice photo of the Ukraine puppet president)

    A group of Germans show that not everyone in the EU lives in the matrix:
    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_23/US-aims-to-prevent-Ukraine-from-becoming-Russia-EU-bridge-Germans-write-to-Putin-8061/

    Meanwhile the US does everything it can to de-escalate the situation:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/22/359670/600-us-troops-head-to-eastern-europe/

    As I’ve said before, this is either a punch and judy show to deliberately create what will almost certainly develop into a nuclear exchange, or it’s an extremely idiotic move from the US to apply Brzezhinsky’s Colour Revolution Libya/Egypt/Syria formula to Ukraine, without having calculated the Russians ability to play chess.

    The latter is most unlikely because you’d have to be a complete mental not to recognise Russia’s abilities and the people who execute these moves are not repeat not idiots. They’re definitely ruled by idiots in the political field but the military have overruled the idiots before, such as when they prevented Bush from granting Israel overflight of Iraq in order to bomb Iran which led to Georgia, because the military knew that such permission would result in their ground troops in Iraq being wiped out. The military had a powerful hand to play then, and it’s not as strong as that now, so perhaps the braying fools in the WH have got their way, this time.

    What it’s not and never has been of course is what the matrix has painted it as, a gwassroot upwising that’s being wuthlessly supwessed by the gweat big Wussian meanie. The evidence for it not being that has been available since day one, but matrix people of course, can’t look at it with anything but their matrix lens, so they think it doesn’t exist or if it does, it doesn’t mean anything.

    Sad really, on the eve of ANZAC day, that we’re looking at another WW in the making and one in which yet again, the matrix will be the only winner, and we’ll be the losers. What isn’t really fine is that the means to escape the matrix is [still] freely available just a click away, we don’t need a Morpheus to give us a pill, and yet, even so, the vast bulk of batteries willingly prefer to stay right where they are, serving the very machine which is poised to kill them.

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  57. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Reid, you do realise that the Matrix was a movie right? It was not a documentary.

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  58. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    I know Komata…but if we all flexed our combined muscle and gave one the finger for a month we could ” modify ” their behaviour at the pump..they deserve a good ass whipping.

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  59. Northland Wahine (673 comments) says:

    Lilman, re woman wanting a bigger HNZ accommodation… I totally agree. While watching that piece, I recall it mentioning that when she passes, the kids have been sorted out by going to their older siblings. If space is such an issue, why can they not go to their siblings now? I’m sure there are those who think this lacks compassion or that I lack cultural understanding. On the contrary…

    If my mother had less than a year to live, she would living with those who would be capable of caring for her. Be it myself, sisters, or brothers. I find it difficult to understand why this isn’t so with this particular woman.

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  60. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Most of the gas price is tax

    We pay for our public transport by taxing private car drivers.

    The rapidly improving electronic controls in cars will make the concept of public transport irrelevant.

    Self drive individual units (cars) capable of streamlining efficiently in mass situations like your daily commute.

    In twenty years or less you will see in rush hours trains of cars travelling down the motorways within mm of each other at 100kmh+ With no one driving.

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  61. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Reid, you need to stop taking yourself so seriously with your crap links. The comment about the Matrix is priceless and sums up your conspiracy based imbecility .!

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  62. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    I know Komata…but if we all flexed our combined muscle and gave one the finger for a month we could ” modify ” their behaviour at the pump..they deserve a good ass whipping.

    It would only have limited effect. A long term solution is decentralised energy self-sufficiency. Ethanol from cannabis/hemp cropping is one way of doing this.

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  63. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    In fairness to Reid, he only intends the Matrix references to serve as a metaphor for the ‘sheeple’ being unaware of the true nature of world events. Only the truly informed, like Reid, are able to discern the hand of the jewish/masonic/illuminati conspiracy that truly shapes the world we inhabit.

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  64. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    The comment about the Matrix is priceless and sums up your conspiracy based imbecility .!

    Tell us again how neutrinos kill people when they don’t cause tissue damage, Einstein.

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  65. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    For those who sing the praises of marijuana (and often also support the eradication of tobacco smoking).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2611377/Cannabis-increases-heart-problems-prove-fatal.html

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  66. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    A heavy drape of craziness has descended over KB (again).

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  67. Lindsay Addie (1,342 comments) says:

    Which Shakespearean hero are you?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/04/23/which-shakespeare-hero-are-you-take-the-quiz-and-find-out/

    I am Macbeth!!

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  68. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    This is from a pretty far right site, but it describes Reid so perfectly that it’s almost as though the author had met him.

    THE PROBLEM OF PASSIVE AGGRESSION IN FAR RIGHT PERSONALITIES

    “Of the various forms of far-rightist, a personality type keeps emerging. It is not inherent to rightism, but rather to any marginalized belief that is also messianic.

    In this personality type, the mind becomes fixated on a perceived truth, for example the notion that The Jews control the world and are behind the downfall of the West. What becomes important then is bringing this idea to others. So important that all conversation must relate to the idea.

    However, the idea is chosen in part because others cannot accept it. It is hopelessly divisive. This serves the purpose of the person speaking it, as they are able to act out a familiar pattern: tell the “truth,” have others recoil in horror, and be ostracized and thus retreat in justifiable alienation.

    This keeps the idea-teller in a position of perpetual victimhood, and simultaneously gives them a reason to believe they are being martyred for truth. They told the most important idea; it was rejected, thus it was the fault of others for being weak (“wake up sheeple”) and the idea-teller is the messianic figure who sacrifices all to tell this truth.

    For such a person, the ideal conversation is drive-by. “Your toaster failed? It’s the Jews. What, you don’t believe me? You’re just not ready for the truth. Nevermind, I understand; you’re weak. You just don’t want to accept the obvious. But me, I need to tell the truth as it is, so I hold myself to a higher standard than you.”

    Where did they get this idea? From liberalism, perhaps, but it’s older than that. Even mothers use this idea with their children as a form of manipulation. “Son, you need to study more. You reject this? It’s because you’re immature. Never mind, I tried to tell you.”

    An additional benefit of this approach is that no one is required to do anything. The far rightist comes in, says his or her piece, and then retreats to glorious victimhood. But, since the “sheeple” are unreceptive, nothing more can be done so the retreat is all that happens. This enables the far-rightist to go find some like minds, hoist some beers and listen to some droning angry punk music.”

    http://alternative-right.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/the-problem-of-passive-aggression-in.html#more

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  69. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    A heavy drape of craziness has descended over KB (again).

    Crazy people don’t ignore issues which affect their long term wellbeing.

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  70. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I am Romeo

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  71. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    This is from a pretty far right site, but it describes Reid so perfectly that it’s almost as though the author had met him.

    You can’t answer Reid’s question about your selective labelling of people as being anti-semitic, so you resort to smearing him. Your wife must be so proud.

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  72. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    mm.

    You can’t be a Romeo – I”M A ROMEO. :-)

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  73. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “You cant answer Reid’s question about your selective labelling of people as being anti-semitic”

    Oh I could, I just couldn’t be bothered, because he wouldn’t listen if I did. And he and you smear yourselves quite well without any help from me.

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  74. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Jack 5

    The Daily Fail for science stories .

    Are you that stupid? or is it the celebrity gossip that you like on that site?

    NZ has one of the highest rates of pot smoking in the world.

    We should according to your link have an exceedingly high rates of heart attacks.

    World statistics says The country’s with high cannabis use have a lower level of heart problems…..

    http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/coronary-heart-disease/by-country/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country

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  75. Lindsay Addie (1,342 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi,

    I thought everyone at Kiwiblog would be some kind of political conniver!

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  76. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    ShawnLH and Reid.

    You would both benefit from terminating you mutually destructive vendetta – not nice, not Christian, and not appreciated.

    Try something new guys, like – if you insist – disagreeing in a mature and rational way; no insults or name calling.

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  77. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    UT, I’ll answer your imbecile question if you would care to explain how William Rodriguez and the most of those he rescued , survived unscathed from the alleged.WTC1 basement mini nuke inferno.?
    Let me add too , the final destination or whereabouts of Mystery plane X..?
    Like Reid methinks your a victim to many Matrix styled fantasizes

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  78. wreck1080 (4,001 comments) says:

    Isn’t it about time that Labour announces some economic policy?

    If they introduce CGT, will they lower personal income tax?

    I’m guessing not ha ha, but, shouldn’t they be upfront with their intentions regarding personal income tax rates!!!!!

    Labours slogan needs to be “full of secrets”.

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  79. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “You would both benefit from terminating you mutually destructive vendetta – not nice, not Christian, and not appreciated”

    Sorry Don, but I take anti-Semitism too seriously to be nice about it. And being “nice” is not a Christian virtue. Truly evil ideas, especially anti-Semitism, must be opposed with fierceness.

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  80. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “Isn’t it about time that Labour announces some economic policy?”

    I wouldn’t hold my breath. They are squeezed between a rock and a hard place. National has the center ground and the Greens and Mana have the hard left. Whatever policies they try to come up with will look like pale copies of other parties.

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  81. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Truly evil ideas, especially anti-Semitism, must be opposed with fierceness.

    But not when the anti-semites are allies of the Zionists, eh Shawn?

    The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, page 84)

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  82. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    UT, I’ll answer your imbecile question if you would care to explain how William Rodriguez and the most of those he rescued , survived unscathed from the alleged.WTC1 basement mini nuke inferno.?

    I asked first, you get to ask one question if you answer truthfully.

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  83. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Looks like DPF gave Griffith 70 demerit points for yesterday.

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  84. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Griffith posted at 11.25:

    NZ has one of the highest rates of pot smoking in the world.

    We also have a high rate of deadbeat bludgers on an abused welfare system. That correlates!

    As for your links: how does the Ununited Nations get accurate data form places like Somalia?

    Come out of the cannabis cloud, Griffith.

    Of course the French study referred to can be challenged. Web MD reports it reviewed reported cases of marijuana abuse in France between 2006 and 2010, and identified 35 users who suffered heart disease — including 20 heart attacks and nine deaths. The percentage of heart disease cases among reported marijuana abusers more than tripled during those five years, rising from 1.1 percent of cases to 3.6 percent.

    In nearly half the cases, the afflicted pot users already had risk factors for heart disease such as high blood pressure or high cholesterol,.

    “This unexpected finding deserves to be further analyzed, especially given that the medicinal use of marijuana has become more prevalent and some governments are legalizing its use,” said Emilie Jouanjus, lead author of the study and a medical faculty member at the University Hospital of Toulouse in France.

    Web MD quotes an American psychologist and marijuana advocate as challenging the study.

    Here’s a comment quoted by Web MD:

    Dr. Martha Daviglus, adjunct professor of preventive medicine at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago, acknowledged that the study has flaws. However, she added that such research is needed given that medicinal and recreational marijuana use is becoming more widely accepted.

    “We need to gain more evidence, as we did with alcohol or tobacco smoking, so people understand the risks of using these substances,” Daviglus said.

    Whether dope heads like it or not, marijuana is potentially a health hazard at least on the scale of tobacco.

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  85. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Looks like DPF gave Griffith 70 demerit points for yesterday.

    I was expecting 700! :D

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  86. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    For Griffith (11.25), here’s another view pointing to possible heart dangers from pot smoking.

    It’s from SciTechnol a journal of forensic toxocology and pharmacology, and concludes:

    Despite the controversial data concerning the cannabis related problems in healthy young users, people with some degree of coronary artery or cardiovascular disease, may be susceptible to greater risks because of the above mentioned cannabis effects on the cardiovascular system, particularly when relatively non tolerant individuals are exposed. The perception of angina pectoris may be decreased after cannabis use, which may lead to delayed recognition of the cardiac event, and consequently to more serious and extended myocardial damage. The cardiologists should be aware of the potential risk of cannabis use and medical history should always include questions about it. The importance of abstinence from cannabis use should also be stressed to patients with cardiovascular disease.

    The link:

    http://www.scitechnol.com/2325-9841/2325-9841-1-e101.php?article_id=335#

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  87. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Gasoline greener than biofuels?

    “Biofuels produced from waste products left from harvested corn plants are worse than gasoline in terms of carbon emissions, according to a $500,000 study paid for by the federal government and published in the journal Nature Climate Change.

    The study said biofuels made with corn residue release seven percent more greenhouse gases than traditional gasoline.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/22/gasoline-greener-than-biofuels/

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  88. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    UT, Truthfully. ??? The deep irony behind that. Fox, Donald and Fetzer’s theories are glaringly inconsistent with the survival of William Rodriguez and most of those he rescued from the basement of WTC1.
    Explain that obvious anomaly.?

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  89. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2008/jan/28/whyishempoffthebiofuelme

    The fact that hemp does not need to have land cleared to grow it, grows faster than any of the crops currently used and leaves the ground in a better state when it is harvested should surely be enough for it to be considered a perfect crop to offset the carbon currently produced by fossil fuels and by the less efficient biofuels currently being so roundly criticised by the various official research bodies.

    The influential Biodiesel magazine reported last year on the cultivation of hemp as a biofuel and it too could only point to its lack of economic competitiveness (due to its minimal production) as a reason for not seeing it as a viable biofuel. But surely if it was mass-produced, this one drawback could be overcome and its many benefits as an efficient biofuel could be harnessed.

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  90. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Somalia wtf A total straw man
    The former ussr states all have very high rates of heart attack they also have very high rates of alcohol consumption and low cannabis consumption.

    The study you quote is meaningless bullshit..

    it is far easer to find research that confirms that alcohol is bad for health Than to find research that says cannabis may be harmfull
    New Zealand

    Between 600 and 800 people in New Zealand have been estimated to die each year from alcohol-related causes (Berl 2009; Connor et al, 2013).
    3.9% of health loss from all causes in New Zealand (measured in disability-adjusted life-years) is estimated to be attributable to alcohol (Ministry of Health, 2013a).
    In New Zealand, more than half (52%) of alcohol-related deaths in males and one-quarter (25%) of alcohol-related deaths in females are estimated to be due to injuries (Connor et al, 2013).
    Nearly one-fifth of all deaths for males and one-tenth of all deaths for females aged between 20 and 24 are attributable to alcohol use (Law Commission, 2009, p72).
    Between 18% and 35% of injury-based emergency department presentations are estimated to be alcohol-related, rising to between 60% and 70% during the weekend (Jones et al., 2009; Humphrey et al., 2003).
    A study of falls in working adults (aged 25 to 60) found that approximately 20% of unintentional falls at home may be attributable to alcohol consumption (Kool et al., 2008).
    Alcohol is involved in half of the patients presenting with facial fractures (Lee and Snape, 2008).
    Approximately 45% of fire fatalities each year involve alcohol (Millar, 2005).
    Approximately 11% of all drowning between 2010-2012 involve alcohol (Water Safety New Zealand, 2013).
    Approximately 23,000 people are treated in the publicly-funded health system each year for alcohol or other drug addictions (NCAT, 2008).
    14% of the population are predicted to meet the criteria for a substance use disorder at some time in their lives (Wells et al., 2007).

    – See more at: http://www.alcohol.org.nz/research-resources/nz-statistics/health-and-injury#sthash.t7Tf3HWM.dpuf

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  91. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Al on Red,

    I noticed. The issue is over with as far as I’m concerned and I don’t want to dredge it up.

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  92. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    UT, Truthfully. ???

    The opposite of fictional. Consistent with the facts and with reason.
    See my 11:45

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  93. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Jesus wept! No few than 430 comments in 7 days from the myopic, intolerant know all who recently returned to haunt KB. Sheesh, that’s an average of around 60 a day. On top of that, we have a handful of religion zealots who insist ‘their’ way is the only way; the whackjob conspiracy theorists who want us to believe 911 was somehow an orchestrated, ‘inside job'; plus the token climate change fanatic.

    All we need now is an idiot who thinks the clicks on the phone are due to it being tapped by ‘the gummit’ and we’ve got a complete ward for the asylum!

    Oh, wait….. 8O

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  94. Ed Snack (1,941 comments) says:

    DH, re petrol prices, look at the difference in the tax on fuel between the two places and I think you will find that it explains much of the difference. Then there’s volume and distance.

    Australian fuel tax is $0.38143 per litre plus GST at 10%. NZ Fuel tax is $0.64.129 (includes ACC, local fuel tax etc) plus GST at 15%. Working back, I get a rough raw petrol cost before tax and GST of $A0.93 and $NZ1.25. At 0.9276 cross rate, that’s $A1.16 in NZ, or nearly 25% higher in NZ. So the combination is Volume, Distance, and margin, be interesting to know the approx breakdown. So the Aussies pay $A0.52 in Tax, NZ’ers pay $NZ0.92 ($A0.85).

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  95. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    the whackjob conspiracy theorists who want us to believe 911 was somehow an orchestrated, ‘inside job’

    You’ve got no business calling anyone a whackjob if you still believe the mainstream conspiracy theory after all this time, Elaycee.

    Step up to the plate or keep your insults to yourself.

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  96. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Griffith (12.02), tries to divert the thread from discussing health hazards of marijuana to discussing health hazards of alcohol.

    That’s a different topic Griffith.

    You’ve obviously got nothing else.

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  97. mandk (1,033 comments) says:

    ShawnLH: “And being “nice” is not a Christian virtue”

    Ok, but try Matt. 7:3-5

    I’ve commented before that your approach is unbecoming.

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  98. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @Ugly: I knew one of victims killed when terrorists flew aircraft into the WTC twin towers on 911, so I feel totally justified calling bullshit on your whackjob version of events.

    Now… Foxtrot Oscar.

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  99. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Thanks Ed…good breakdowns…as usual we are taxed to fcuk , suppose we gota pay the maoris somehow.

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  100. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “I’ve commented before that your approach is unbecoming.”

    That’s a fair comment when it comes to other issues, but my approach to anti-Jewish hatred will not change. Playing nice with the Nazi’s in the 30’s helped make the Holocaust a reality.

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  101. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    I knew one of victims killed when terrorists flew aircraft into the WTC twin towers on 911, so I feel totally justified calling bullshit to your whackjob version of events.

    Nobody is denying that people died that day, Elaycee, and calling it names doesn’t change the facts regarding the impossibility of the mainstream account of the events.

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  102. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    but my approach to anti-Jewish hatred will not change.

    Yep. Ignore it when it is done by your people, and falsely accuse others of it when they point out the hypocrisy of your position.

    Playing nice with the Nazi’s in the 30′s helped make the Holocaust a reality.

    In “The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine” (containing an afterword by ADL head Abe Foxman), pro-Israel writer Edwin Black reports that in 1933 Zionist leaders concluded a secret pact with the Third Reich that transferred 60,000 Jews and $100,000 to Palestine, Zionists promising in return that they would halt the worldwide boycott “that threatened to topple the Hitler regime in its first year.”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/03/04/denying-nazi-zionist-collusion/

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  103. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “Yep. Ignore it when it is done by your people”

    My people Ugly? Who do you think “my people” are?

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  104. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I am not saying that cannabis doesn’t have risk Just pointing out that the relative risk between alcohol your legal drug and cannabis my illegal one is such that other than the theat of persecution by the police I am far safer smoking cannabis than I would be drinking alcohol.

    The fact that persons in france developed heart problems after smoking is placed into perspective when we know at least
    4 /100,000 die from alcohol each year in france
    from your link for pot it may be as many as 0.1/100,000 dying from pot over the five? years of your study

    :lol:

    why dont you get upset about your legal high and its obvious proven costs FFS half of all crime and violence is this country is directly attributed to alcohol consumption.

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  105. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Alcohol is a vastly more destructive drug than cannabis, by a long shot. And legal highs are more dangerous than cannabis. It makes zero sense to criminalise cannabis while allowing alcohol and synthetics.

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  106. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    My people Ugly? Who do you think “my people” are?

    The British religious elites, the Anglicans. The Balfour declaration was a significant step forward for Zionism, and one of the end results is the violent oppression of the semitic people of Palestine.

    By 1897, when the first World Zionist Congress met in Basle, Switzerland, Jewish leaders who favoured a Zionist State already had sympathetic support from many more senior British political figures. This was largely due to the efforts of one man, William Hechler. The son of LJS missionaries in France and Germany, Hechler was an Anglican priest and became chaplain to the British Embassy in Vienna in 1885, a position of strategic significance for the Zionist movement.
    http://www.balfourproject.org/the-road-to-balfour-the-history-of-christian-zionism-by-stephen-sizer/

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  107. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,705 comments) says:

    Dumb fucking lefties can’t even get their cliches right.

    ” by the shorts and curlies. “

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  108. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Oh right, more anti-Zionist = anti-Semitism crap. Just for a moment I though you might say something sensible. Silly me. :)

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  109. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    Here ya go. Three lesbians getting ‘married’ in the U.S, and they’re going to have a baby. Good grief!

    The world’s only ‘married’ lesbian threesome are expecting their first child.

    Doll, Kitten and Brynn, from Massachusetts, were joined together in a marriage-style ceremony last August and are expecting a daughter in July.

    Kitten, 27, is pregnant after undergoing IVF treatment using an anonymous sperm donor, and the trio eventually plan to have three children – one for each of them.

    The plan at the moment is that Kitten will bear all the children – possibly using her wives’ eggs and donated sperm – but they are open to other options, such as adoption.

    Brynn, 34, says: ‘The hope is to have three kids altogether. We always joke that the children should never outnumber the parents.’

    Doll, Kitten and Brynn Young married in a ceremony in August 2013, when each of their fathers walked them down the aisle. All three women wore white wedding gowns and exchanged rings.

    The so-called ‘throuple’ worked with a specialist family lawyer who drew up the paperwork and drafted the ceremony so that all three of them were obligated and bound to each other .

    While Brynn and Kitten are legally married, Doll is handfasted to both so the threesome are as equally married to each other as legally possible.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html

    So, only two are legally married, and the other one is “handfasted” to both of them, whatever that means.

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  110. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    Shawn.
    My understanding is that Zionism and Semitism are quite different things – one refers to the movement of the jews finding their home in Israel – the other referring specifically to the jews or the semitic people in general. So IMO, one can be anti-Zionist, without being anti-Semitic.

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  111. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Oops, that should have read “more Zionism = anti-Semitism crap.” My bad.

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  112. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “There is a dangerous confluence between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, though the two concepts are not always identical. Anti-Zionism is often used to conceal hatred of Jews. Anti-Semitic views can be easily distinguished from legitimate criticism of Israel.

    Consider the source. Is the speaker someone with a history of anti-Jewish attitudes?

    Critics who habitually single out Israel for condemnation while ignoring far worse actions by other countries (especially other Middle Eastern countries) are anti-Semitic.

    Likening Israel to Nazi Germany, or to traditional anti-Jewish stereotypical behavior is another sure sign of Jew-baiting.

    Attacks on the merits of Israel’s existence rather than individual government policies are anti-Semitic.

    When approached by a student who attacked Zionism, Dr. Martin Luther King responded: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism.”

    (From Seymour Martin Lipset, “The Socialism of Fools—The Left, the Jews and Israel,” Encounter, (December 1969), p. 24.)”

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Anti-Semitism_&_Anti-Zionism.html

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  113. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    I would add to that list above using the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the book ‘The Synagogue of Satan’ and posting links to White Supremacist sites are signs that anti-Zionism is in fact anti-Semitism.

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  114. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    I would add to that list above using the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the book ‘The Synagogue of Satan’ and posting links to White Supremacist sites are signs that anti-Zionism is in fact anti-Semitism.

    Here Shawn is attempting to own the language by redefining it to suit his needs, i.e that anyone who criticizes the Zionists is guilty of antisemitism.

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  115. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Geoff Noller on synthetic drugs.

    I think that the current raft of problems we’re facing with synthetics are primarily a clear cut case of the prohibition chickens coming home to roost.

    An NZ report in 1973 (the ‘Blake-Palmer’ report) warned that continuing the ban on natural or ‘raw’ cannabis (the Law Commission’s [2011] term) would likely result in a black market – which at that time was barely in existence – and increased use. It proposed education, along with accepting that a generational shift towards drugs other than alcohol might be occurring.

    Fast forward 40 years and…gee, maybe someone should have listened.

    The Psychotic Substances Act represents a further attempt to engage with this issue and is actually a major shift in NZ’s approach to recreational drug taking. Unfortunately, those responsible for it didn’t appreciate the need for education around drug taking that follows from unlocking the lolly jar, so long kept behind the counter.

    As a result we’ve seen possibly thousands of NZ’ers, many of them young and inexperienced, accessing a class of drugs about which they know nothing, far too frequently and heavily.

    What that boils down to is that with access to whatever substances, also comes the responsibility of appropriate use. This is something we all have to own.

    For those interested in synthetics and an assessment of their current impact in NZ, along with comparators, have a look at a recent report here:

    http://www.thestartrust.org/images/pdf/Synthetic%20cannab%20harms%20NZ%20final%20draft-3.pdf

    Noller’s report compares risks and harm of synthetics, cannabis and alcohol.

    Part of alocohol’s (big) problem is it is used by far more people.

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  116. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,140 comments) says:
    April 24th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Your the one who struggles with the truth. There is a patently obvious anomaly that is inconsistent with the allegations of a nuclear denotation in the northern basement tower.
    It begs an explanation not your evasions.
    That first then we can discuss the alleged mini nuke explosions including both visual and audio evidence.

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  117. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    UT, Hitler and the Nazis drew no distinction between Zionism and Judaism when they prepared and unleashed their murderous rage on the Jews . They were different sides of the same coin.
    Most white aryan supremacists today believe likewise . Of course ,there are those like you,who try to hide their views behind the euphemism of ” soft” anti semitism.

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  118. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Reasonable criticisms of specific Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism. Blanket criticism of all Zionists is.

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  119. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Kelvin Davis outlines an ambition for his return to Parliament.

    Priority 4: Stopping sexual, physical and emotional abuse of women and children, and yes to men as well.

    I was outraged with the Roastbusters scandal and the well publicized sexual abuse/ pedophile cases in Kaitaia over the last few years.

    I sat back and waited for a male MP especially any male MAORI MP to make a stand and say something along the lines of “What the bloody hell is going on that men can treat women and children like this?” I was waiting for a male MP to take a stand and tell all of us men that this abuse is (predominantly) a male problem, and that we need to sort our shit out ourselves. We need to have serious conversations with our sons, grandsons and nephews about how a real man treats a woman. But i bet this is just too hard for most males.

    I said in my maiden speech that it’s one thing to be born a male, but another thing entirely to become a man. We need to MAN up any have the balls to have those hard conversations with our boys.

    Instead the only noise coming from male MPs was the sound of crickets chirping.

    So I determined if no other male MP was prepared to stand up and start lecturing men on how we need to treat and love our women and children, and if I was ever in the position again to pick up that mantle, I will.

    Some months ago I approached some people who work in this field and told them if i ever get back into parliament, tell me what I need to do to support them. I’ll give them a call soon.

    So men, I don’t give a rats arse if I’m accused of not being a REAL bloke, I’ll still be a sports and rugby fanatic, get on the piss, keep up my fishing, shooting and getting lost up in the bush – but i love my wife, daughters, mother, sister, nieces,cousins, friends and colleagues too much to ignore sexual, physical and emotional abuse any longer.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=776801432351706&id=776784779020038&stream_ref=5

    Good to see him prepared to address that.

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  120. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    PG

    From that report it would seem that the present legislation is being effective in controlling the synthetics market.

    The overwhelming impression is that the real thing is safer and the fact its illegal is resulting in more harm than it prevents.

    It is a pity that many on here base their opinions on uninformed media hype not reputable scientific studies.

    Few that down ticked me on pot earlier will even open your link yet alone read it .

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  121. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    griffith: “We pay for our public transport by taxing private car drivers.”

    If only we did, perhaps we’d have decent public transport. Public transport is mostly funded out of rates, not petrol tax. Some larger projects (e.g. the CRL – watch for Key to move the starting date forward before the election) are paid partially (50%) out of the land transport fund.

    This is a good thing. As has been clearly shown over the last few days, just a small reduction in the total number of users on the road leads to very large reductions in congestion. So, a small percentage of the population using transit allows other car drivers to be less congested – a win for all involved.

    Future technology is unlikely to mean we all have self-drive cars, as they’re inefficient. If small, autonomous vehicles are developed they’ll be quite different to the cars of today – after all, you don’t need anywhere near as much ‘road’ when meat isn’t doing the driving. Mass transit will likely be part of the solution either way.

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  122. SGA (1,275 comments) says:

    stephieboy at 2:24 pm

    UT, Hitler and the Nazis drew no distinction between Zionism and Judaism when they prepared and unleashed their murderous rage on the Jews . They were different sides of the same coin.

    Not sure I follow the argument here, stephieboy? If Zionism is a subset of Judaism, then why would they have drawn a distinction?

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  123. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Of course ,there are those like you,who try to hide their views behind the euphemism of ” soft” anti semitism.\

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, idiot.

    Tell us again how neutrinos kill people without causing tissue damage.

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  124. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    SGA, many anti semites these days try and say that they’re only anti zionist /anti Israel but dig deeper, and you find there is often little or no distinction between the two.
    Just like Hitler and the Nazis ,IMO.

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  125. Ross12 (1,488 comments) says:

    Brenda Pilot with a case of the “pot calling the kettle black” ( or whatever the saying is)

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/22901444/shane-jones-new-job-raises-ministerial-interference-questions/

    She talks of the neutrality of the Public Service –what a joke ! It wouldn’t surprise me to see Pilot on the Labour list

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  126. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    https://at.govt.nz/media/276536/AT-Annual-report-2013-web-version.pdf

    Nope the NZTA funds more than half Auckland’s public transport costs.

    You are right on the direction cars are taking. That is the future

    Rail based public transport is expensive old technology inflexible and obsolete

    Spending billions more to match the billions all ready flushed down the drain in the name of big train sets will stifle our ability to actually solve transport problems.

    The cost of Britomart just one station was so much that we could brought all present train uses an apartment in town.

    Choo choo is the sound of fuckwits flushing money on an anorak obsession with obsolete transport technology.

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  127. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    UI, yes neutrinos don’t apparently cause tissue damage when they kill people.
    Now explain the anomaly of those surviving the alleged mini nuclear detonation unscathed re WTC1 basement.
    While you at it ,evidence with documentation of Pilot ACARS etc communications and acknowledgments from Flights 93.175 to ground stations and ATC post impacts

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  128. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “Of course ,there are those like you,who try to hide their views behind the euphemism of ” soft” anti semitism.”

    Spot on stephie.

    The reality is that in the wake of the Holocaust anti-Semities, at least those desperate to be taken seriously, have often hidden behind the anti-Zionist claim.

    But classical anti-Semitism has a number of identifiable features, and when those claiming to be anti-Zionists display those features in their ideology, then the cat is out of the bag.

    “It’s Jew hatred Jim, just not as we know it.”

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  129. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    “Future technology is unlikely to mean we all have self-drive cars, as they’re inefficient. If small, autonomous vehicles are developed they’ll be quite different to the cars of today – after all, you don’t need anywhere near as much ‘road’ when meat isn’t doing the driving. Mass transit will likely be part of the solution either way.”

    and if govt had never taken over the role of building roads etc.. how far along would we be? the future you speak of would probably be here already :D

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  130. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    The reserve bank kicks up rates today.. cause people are spending too much?

    so the theory is – take more money off em and give it to the banks?

    am i missing something here?

    how about – the rates are going up, the extra 0.25% will be put into your kiwisaver account, rather than onto the BNZ’s bottom line?!

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  131. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    I’ve said all I need to say on this subject of zionism so I think after this post I’ll leave it alone for awhile, no matter what libel Shawn et al choose to direct toward me.

    If people are interested they can see precisely the same perspectives as Shawn and I have exchanged on the review comments from Amazon relating to the books I’ve quoted. For example:

    http://www.amazon.com/Solving-Mystery-BABYLON-THE-GREAT-ebook/dp/B004NIFVKY/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Synagogue-Of-Satan-Uncensored-ebook/dp/B007UFOJ5A/ref=pd_rhf_cr_s_cp_1_P31J?ie=UTF8&refRID=1GZE0TDH0QTVNVD06C29

    As you’ll see there are comments saying precisely what I’ve been saying and also what Shawn’s been saying. I’ll leave it you to make up your own mind about the truth but bear in mind it’s difficult to decide if you chose to remain ignorant by not reading them.

    Playing nice with the Nazi’s in the 30′s helped make the Holocaust a reality.

    The reality is that while the war clouds were building during the 1930’s very few people bothered to listen to people like Churchill calling in the wilderness. If they had listened to Churchill then and responded accordingly, the holocaust would never have happened, but that wasn’t part of the plan. The same plan is happening again today, executed by the descendents of the same players outlined in those books and who caused that war who are still around today, doing the same things. It can’t be stopped and indeed won’t be since it’s all been predicted, but what you can do is educate yourself so that when it hits the fan as it will be doing, you and your family won’t be exposed to the lies and the falsehoods promulgated by the forces of darkness to keep you in a state of compliant ignorance, continually shocked as each fresh disaster comes down the pike.

    Shawn it’s a shame our discussion could not be conducted in a more civil way without epithets on both sides. Don correctly points out such is not the Christian way. While I accept your view of myself is a genuine and not disingenuous reflection of your perspective it’s regrettable you can’t escape the conclusion that I’m a hater despite numerous attempts to explain why I’m not, all of which have been met by what appears to be a brick wall of obdurate arrogance. I think you should ask yourself if you think its possible at all to object to zionism without being an anti-semite. As F Scott-Fitzgerald said, “the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function” and you’ve proven yourself incapable of that. Too bad for you, but then you have a lot of equally dull companions, as those Amazon links show and as some of the commenters here have also demonstrated, so don’t feel bad, just feel sad that you’re clearly incapable of the leap of intelligence necessary to tackle this most important subject.

    Apologies to the rest of GD people for this pre-occupation, normal transmission from me now resumes.

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  132. SGA (1,275 comments) says:

    stephieboy at 3:15 pm

    SGA, many anti semites these days try and say that they’re only anti zionist /anti Israel but dig deeper, and you find there is often little or no distinction between the two.
    Just like Hitler and the Nazis ,IMO.

    So, Hitler and the Nazis hid their anti-Judaism behind a facade of anti-Zionism? Never knew that, we live and learn.

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  133. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    griffith: “The cost of Britomart just one station was so much that we could brought all present train uses an apartment in town.”

    Bullshit. We’re currently at around 11 million trips per annum (it’ll be 12 by June or July). If we assume at worst the same people making a single return trip per day, including weekends, that’s 11 million / (365*2) = 15277 people. Cost of Britomart was $204 million, thus being around 15k per person. That’s a pretty damn cheap apartment, huh? Obviously real patronage is a lot higher than 15k people, so in reality the cost per person is significantly lower. Plus, they actually pay part of the operating cost, ofcourse.

    In reality what’s happened is that, since Britomart was opened, the number of people in Auckland using the trains has increased by a factor of between 4 and 5. This is despite the fact that the experience is pretty dreadful, with crappy frequencies and crappy trains.

    Other investments in PT have been the Northern Busway. More people cross the bridge in a bus than do by car now every day. It’s been massively successful. On Monday, the first electric train will be on the Onehunga line. Patronage will continue going up. Once the CRL is in place it will keep going up further as frequencies increase. Once the new Bus network is in place patronage will continue to climb once again.

    And while all this has been happening, what’s happening on the roads? Total kilometres travelled has been flatlining the last 5 years. Per-capita km travelled had dropped.

    Yet idiots like Gerry Brownlee are pouring billions into more roads.

    You’re normally more informed than this. Hell, just read the report you linked to.

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  134. SGA (1,275 comments) says:

    @stephieboy
    I see – Zionist doesn’t always mean the same thing.

    The word “Zionist” in “Zionist Occupation Government” should not be confused with the ideology of Zionism, the movement for support of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. As the conspiracy theorists chiefly name countries outside that area, the usage of Zionist in this context is misleading, and intended to portray Jews as conspirators who aim to control the world, as in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    From Wikipedia

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  135. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    UI, yes neutrinos don’t apparently cause tissue damage when they kill people.

    So what reason do you have to believe that neutrinos kill people in the first place?

    Now explain the anomaly of those surviving the alleged mini nuclear detonation unscathed re WTC1 basement.

    What anomaly? micronukes with a yield of a few tons of TNT are feasible:

    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10301&page=159

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  136. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    If Kelvin Davis thinks that what was once simply good manners and decent behaviour needs to be a parliamentary priority then we really have reached a very low point in society.

    How did it come to this?

    Cultural marxism.

    He needs to address his own party to root out the problem.

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  137. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Sorry at the time it was built it cost enough to buy users an apartment each

    we have then spent how many millions on track electrification further stations new rolling stock consultation etc?

    15,000 dollars for each present user just for the one train station.

    :lol:

    Add the costs of the whole system and you could be looking at pent house plus each

    Train based puplic transport is a joke and adding to it will be just as costly and stupid .

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  138. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    And how much for each user of the western ring road? That’s 4 Billion.

    “By 2026, it is expected to carry 83,000 vehicles a day”. That’s for the waterview tunnel, so let’s be generous and say double that on the route.

    That’s 24k each.

    And that 83,000 is assuming a whole heap of dodgy traffic growth assumptions, while we currently have declining VKT per capita. More realistically it’ll be a whole heap less than that, meaning a whole heap more per-person that uses it.

    All transport infrastructure is expensive. Moaning about one is silly.

    As for trains, Auckland is really well setup for train-based PT as it already has much of the infrastructure in place with the exception of the CRL, and once the infrastructure is there, it’s extremely efficient (a single rail line being equivalent to 10 lanes of traffic).

    That doesn’t mean train-based transit is always best, ofcourse. In places where the infrastructure isn’t in place, then other options (e.g. bus rapid transit) will be better options initially, such as on the Shore, or on the Northwestern, or linking Manakau and the Airport across to the East.

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  139. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    RBNZ lifts OCR by 25 bps to 3% as expected; repeats that high NZ$ not sustainable, but

    OUR CURRENCY
    The NZ dollar strengthened on the OCR hike by about 40 bps. The NZD is now at 86.2 USc and 92.8 AUc. The TWI is back up to 80.2.

    ================
    Well fuck me on a donkey.
    Any body with half a brain knew that would happen.

    Where do we find these stupid fucking Public Trough Servants.

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  140. hj (7,182 comments) says:

    I got my 18th call from the Indian Microsoft Security Department telling me my computor was infected. I siad Oh! What’s the MAC address of my computor?” she said “we aren’t authorised to divulge that? The line went hollow then hung up.

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  141. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Public Transport:

    …….A means of moving women with screaming ill brought up brats, piss soaked pensioners, unwashed drunks & hoodie wearing young thugs to where they don’t want to go when they don’t want to do it……

    It’s not that sitting gridlocked in your own car is so wonderful….it’s the alternative of having to share the same air with diseased, overweight soap dodgers that puts people off buses & trains. That & the fact that time tables are only targets.

    Like all green, socialist crap it sounds good unless you have to do it yourself.

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  142. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    Public transport is great. I use it every day.

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  143. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I don’t know how you do it Mike. I have the greatest of fortune in that I live over 35km from the nearest bus or train routes & long may it stay that way.

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  144. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    Not too many traffic jams out your way then. Seriously, public transport is fine. The service is rapid and reliable and compares favourably against the cost of petrol and parking.

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  145. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    mikenmild (8,896 comments) says:
    April 24th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
    Public transport is great. I use it every day.

    Me too. Way less stressful than driving in rush hour. Ferries and trains for me.

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  146. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    Seriously, public transport is fine.

    Do you live in Wgtn or Akld?

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  147. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    A Science experiment using your head.
    Interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/0Uqf71muwWc

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  148. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    To prevent a life ban and a visit from the Police I shall refrain from letting fly my true feelings and disgust at the female thing from the greens who was wearing both the red and white poppy on TV tonight. Its a bloody insult to my relations who died in both wars.

    Where possible I will make life very hard for the Green Party if we have idiots like her in charge,

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  149. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Public Transport:

    …….A means of moving women with screaming ill brought up brats, piss soaked pensioners, unwashed drunks & hoodie wearing young thugs to where they don’t want to go when they don’t want to do it……

    mikenmild (8,896 comments) says:
    April 24th, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    Public transport is great. I use it every day.

    =======================================
    Need we say more? 8O :lol: :lol: :o

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  150. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    Got a problem with white poppies, RF?

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  151. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/the-quest-for-better-life.html

    Best blog post I have seen in a while.

    Excellent Karl.

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  152. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I can’t answer for RF Mike but from my POV it is an insult to those the RSA represents. The organisers are a bunch of commos who would rather piss on the graves of NZ war veterans but lack the courage to do so.

    From: http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/poppy09.htm

    …..”In recent years, the annual white poppy appeal was run as a fundraiser for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in Wellington around the time of Hiroshima Day in August.

    Responsibility for organising the annual appeal was transferred to Peace Movement Aotearoa, as part of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament’s closing down process in 2008,”…..

    Total & absolute disrespect for those who did their duty to Queen & Country.

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  153. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I don’t see how the white poppy disrespects war veterans.

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  154. Steve (North Shore) (4,538 comments) says:

    Messege to Len Brown,
    Nasska has no Public Transport, do something about that will you. After all you and the Council want to control everything

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  155. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Thanks for the support Steve. I live 570km from the Auckland CBD so a twice a day service both ways should do until we can gauge demand for the new service.

    Just book the costs up to the North Shore ratepayers…..they’re loaded. :)

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  156. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    I don’t see how the white poppy disrespects war veterans.

    They wouldn’t if the fund raising was separated from the red poppy fund raising by time but instead it’s deliberately calculated to ride on the back of the well established red poppy veteran’s campaign, thus depriving our veterans of financial support.

    Deliberately.

    Specifically.

    Calculated.

    And the Gweens support that kind of scumbag campaign in fact are encouraging it. It’s a bit like the person who stole the coins from the wishing well for the hospice the other day.

    That’s the problem, mm.

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  157. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    mikenmild. Nasska has answered your question. Those red / green fuckwits should visit their local RSAs and go down on their knees thanking those old surviving warriors for their sacrifices.

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  158. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    There has been a little bit of an issue with the white poppies being sold around Poppy Day, but I don’t think it is a big deal. The white poppy stands simply for peace and complements the red poppy quite well.

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  159. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    The white poppy is not an insult to the veterans Mike…..nor are yellow carnations.

    Rather it is the calculated slight in appropriating a symbol & trying to take over the one day the country honours its heros.

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  160. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    Rather it is the calculated slight in appropriating a symbol & trying to take over the one day the country honours its heros.

    And raises funds for them.

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  161. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    The White Poppy is sold in direct competition to the Red ones.
    It is clearly designed by lefties to ‘stick it to’ the War Vets.(who they openly detest)
    It is quite simply the equivalent of Meteria Turei taking a big steaming piss on the Cenotaph during the parade tomorrow.

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  162. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I don’t believe anyone who buys a white poppy is under the illusion that their donation is going to the RNZRSA. For many buyers it would be an opportunity to make a statement a little broader than remembering our war dead, focusing instead on wider issues of peace.

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  163. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    What the fuck is wrong with this country?
    People wanting to build memorials to ‘Conscientious Objectors’ next to our War Cenotaphs…(This is actually being considered!)
    Dickhead Young New Zealanders ‘whooping it up’ on pub crawls around Gallipoli ..(Could you get any more disrespectful?)
    Seriously- What the fuck is wrong with people???

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  164. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Longknives.. I agree 100%. Must admit the sight of the obese one taking a piss on the Cenotaph would curdle my wine. What an evil person.

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  165. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    only 35 kms nasska

    I can see Auckland airport clearly from here and the nearest bus station is well over 50kms away

    lefty the cost of the train station aint the cost of rails or rolling stock

    roads deliver our food and exports etc

    trains are not the anser and havent been in nz we don’t have the population to support the billions of dollars wasted .

    they only way public transport works is by pushing up the cost of private transport by tax and restriction to prop up a small minority transport choice.

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  166. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    I don’t believe anyone who buys a white poppy is under the illusion that their donation is going to the RNZRSA.

    You’d be surprised how many idiots are out there mm.

    I mean look at you for example, you can’t even grasp the evil significance of the white poppy campaign coinciding with the red poppy one.

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  167. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I can think of no better time to wear a white poppy than on Anzac Day actually. It complements the red poppy perfectly.

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  168. Northland Wahine (673 comments) says:

    feel free to wear white poppies on the other 364 days in the year, red poppies are for ANZAC day.

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  169. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    XX The Lancashire Fusiliers,
    My ancestors battalion… . 6 VC before breakfast……

    Capt Bromley VC

    Cpl Grimshaw VC

    Pte Keneally VC

    Sgt Richards VC

    Sgt Stubbs VC

    Capt Willis VC

    At dawn on 25 April 1st Battalion, The Lancashire Fusiliers, part of the British 29th Division landed on W Beach, to the west of Cape Helles the southernmost tip of the Gallipoli Peninsula. The Turks waited until the Fusiliers were almost ashore then opened fire.

    Despite heavy losses the Fusiliers kept a toehold on the beach and eventually advanced up both sides
    of the cliff driving the defending Turks out of their trenches.
    Later that morning other units were diverted to W Beach to reinforce the troops who were
    advancing on their inland objectives.

    Six VCs were eventually awarded for this action and W Beach was renamed
    Lancashire Landing in honour of the Battalion that had captured it.

    The Battle Honours XXth Regiment of Foot The Lancashire Fusiliers-

    Le Cateau.
    RETREAT FROM MONS.
    Marne 1914.
    AISNE 1914, 18.
    Armentiers, 1914.
    YPRES 1915, 17, 18.
    St Julien.
    Bellewaarde.
    SOMME 1916, 18.
    Albert 1916, 18.
    Bazentin.
    Delville Wood.
    Pozieres.
    Ginchy.
    Flers-Courcelette.
    Morval.
    Theipval.
    Le Transloy.
    Ancre Heights.
    Ancre 1916, 18.
    ARRAS 1917, 18.
    Scarpe 1917, 18.
    Arleux.
    Messinea 1917.
    Pilckem.
    Langemarck. 1917.
    Menin Road.
    Polygon Wood.
    Broodseinde.
    Poelcappelle.
    PASSCHENDAELE.
    CAMBRAI 1917, 18.
    St Quentin.
    Bapaume 1918.
    Rosieres.
    Lys.
    Estaires.
    Hazebrouck.
    Bailleul.
    Kemmel.
    Bethune.
    Scherpenberg.
    Amiens.
    Drocourt-Queant.
    HINDENBURG LINE.
    Epehy.
    Canal Du Nord.
    St Quentin Canal.
    Courtrai.
    Selle.
    Sambre.
    France and Flanders 1914-18.
    Doiran 1917.
    MACEDONIA 1915-18.
    Helles.
    LANDING AT HELLES.
    Krithia.
    Suvla.
    Landing at Suvla.
    Scimiter Hill.
    Gallipoli 1915.
    Rumani.
    Egypt 1915-17.

    Least we forget…….

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  170. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    I can think of no better time to wear a white poppy than on Anzac Day actually. It complements the red poppy perfectly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQdmMat9Xk

    Get it now?

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  171. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I don’t waste time on your videos remember Reid?

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  172. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    I don’t waste time on your videos remember Reid?

    Your loss, mm, but if you don’t want an answer, then why ask stupid questions?

    i.e. I don’t see how the white poppy disrespects war veterans.

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  173. OneTrack (3,374 comments) says:

    griffith – “Lest we forget…….”

    I think mm has forgotten.

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  174. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
    The Infamous “Oded Yinon Plan”. Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky

    Global Research Editor’s Note

    The following document pertaining to the formation of “Greater Israel” constitutes the cornerstone of powerful Zionist factions within the current Netanyahu government, the Likud party, as well as within the Israeli military and intelligence establishment.

    According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
    ….

    The land of the Abrahamic covenant belongs to the descendants of Ishmael as well as to the houses of Israel and Judah.
    Genesis 15:18

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  175. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_poppy

    The white poppy is an artificial flower used as a symbol of peace, worn as an alternative to, or complement to, the red remembrance poppy for Remembrance Day or Anzac Day.

    Contents

    1 History
    1.1 New Zealand
    1.2 Controversy
    2 References
    3 External links

    History

    In 1926, a few years after the introduction of the red poppy in the UK, the idea of pacifists making their own poppies was put forward by a member of the No More War Movement (and that the black centre of the British Legion’s red poppies should be imprinted with “No More War”). Their intention was to remember casualties of all wars, with the added meaning of a hope for the end of all wars; the red poppy, they felt, signified only the British military dead. However they did not pursue the idea. The first white poppies were sold by the Co-operative Women’s Guild in 1933. The Peace Pledge Union (PPU) took part in their distribution from 1934, and white poppy wreaths were laid from 1937 as a pledge to peace that war must not happen again. Anti-war organisations such as the Anglican Pacifist Fellowship now support the White Poppy Movement.

    Those who promote the wearing of white poppies argue that the red poppy also conveys a specific political standpoint, and point to the divisive nature of the red poppy in Northern Ireland, where it is worn mainly by the Unionist community. They choose the white poppy over the red often because they wish to disassociate themselves from the militaristic aspects of Remembrance Day, rather than the commemoration itself.[1]

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  176. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    “I can see Auckland airport clearly from here and the nearest bus station is well over 50kms away”

    I guess you can see at least 50km then, huh?

    “lefty the cost of the train station aint the cost of rails or rolling stock”

    Nor is the cost of the road just the seal. There’s operating costs for both. Indeed, in the very report you cited above (which you still haven’t read?), some 188 million last year on road renewal in Auckland alone, not counting new roads.

    “roads deliver our food and exports etc”

    So do trains and boats. The latter at least isn’t subsidised to the extent the road freight industry is, who don’t pay anywhere near enough to use the roads. Car drivers are subsidising the freight industry a lot more than they’re subsidising public transit, as freight not only dictates the structural properties of the road, but also is the cause of the majority of maintenance (damage to the road surface being proportional to the 4th power of mass).

    “trains are not the anser and havent been in nz we don’t have the population to support the billions of dollars wasted .”

    Both Auckland and Wellington (and some parts of Christchurch as well) are ideally suited to trains, as the majority of the population lies along a set of linear paths. Further, we certainly do have the population to support them, as Auckland is more dense than most of the cities with better PT systems than we have.

    “they only way public transport works is by pushing up the cost of private transport by tax and restriction to prop up a small minority transport choice.”

    Just like the roads – they only work by pushing the cost of private transport by tax and restriction to prop up the folk that MUST all drive at the exact same time to work every morning. That’s the only reason the roading in Auckland is so over-designed, as clearly seen by anyone out driving today. The roads are virtual empty at the moment, as they must be designed for peak. Peak use is where rapid transit is the most useful.

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  177. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    I had 4 relations killed in France during the First World War and my father was shipped home in 1943 shot to pieces. Those who wear white poppies can go fuck themselves.

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  178. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    “I can think of no better time to wear a white poppy than on Anzac Day actually. It complements the red poppy perfectly.”

    Poor attention seeking mikenmild.

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  179. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Reid: I looked at the video. It seemed to be all about remembering war veterans. No mention of red or white poppies at all.

    Personally I have no issue with white, orange, pink or purple poppies being sold as long as they don’t misrepresent themselves as being associated with the NZRSA. Seems to me the free market applies.

    In this case, the white poppy representing peace does seem to compliment the red of remembrance. You can have respect for veterans while still desiring peace – they do seem to complement each other.

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  180. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    What sort of NOB gave me a red for posting the battle honors of the xx

    I don’t agree with war and wouldn’t fight on foreign soil

    Men died to give me the freedoms I have

    My family has quite a few names on the honor roll for the xx

    It is my direct ancestors that I honor by posting the regimental battle list Members of my family died for YOU in these battles

    One sick motherfucker

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  181. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    The communion exclusion list is shortening.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11243506

    The Catholic Church does not allow divorce (the bible allows it but prohibits remarriage of the divorced), and has denied communion to those who get divorced (divorce provided by the state). It only allows a select few an annulment and re-marriage opportunity.

    Till now, the exception here is not herself divorced but married to a divorced man.

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  182. Steve (North Shore) (4,538 comments) says:

    Nasska.
    “North Shore ratepayers…..they’re loaded. ”
    We are not all like Andrew Williams, fuck I have only had 4 beers so far. Sarrah soon, then some Jacks.
    I’ll get the missus to tell you when I am loaded, coz I will have the speed wobbles down the hallway lol

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  183. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    On the war of the poppies, it’s not that much of an issue today – most of our soldiers will be working in peacekeeping or developing a capacity for this.

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  184. Steve (North Shore) (4,538 comments) says:

    I can see Auckland airport clearly from here and the nearest bus station is well over 50kms away

    Who keeps giving food to those who live on a Satellite?
    Now we know why Grief knows everything, sorry chap, you had it coming

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  185. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Griffith. That’s OK a knuckle dragger gave me a red as well. I guess he / she came from a family of cowards.

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  186. cha (4,144 comments) says:

    Ya know, I wear red to commemorate the uncle’s I never knew and I wear white to remember the pain of my grandparents and my parents and my uncles and my aunts. Is there a problem with that?.

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  187. wiseowl (979 comments) says:

    How could anyone vote for the Dunne MP after the guest appearance on Campbell tonight ?

    Strange how National MP’s are very quiet about the legal high issue.?????

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  188. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Yes if they are worn together on ANZAC day. Show some respect. You sound very young. Maybe thats your problem.

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  189. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I tried to send my girlfriend a picture of my cock today but my phone alerted me, “Recipient may not be able to receive files this large”.

    That’s a nice boost for my confidence, anyway.

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  190. Lucia Maria (2,660 comments) says:

    SPC,

    That story can’t be right. There’s a quote in there that says that the family don’t go to Mass every Sunday – another exclusion from Holy Communion if the sin of missing Mass is not confessed. There have been a few instances of people misreporting what the Pope has said so far; something I think this Pope is not quite caught onto. The woman is not barred from Holy Communion if she and her husband are living as brother and sister – not that anyone can really check up on that!

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  191. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Syria chemical attack: What we know

    A team of UN chemical weapons inspectors have confirmed that the nerve agent sarin was used in an attack on the Ghouta agricultural belt around Damascus on the morning of 21 August.

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon told the UN Security Council that he believed the attack constituted a war crime. The UN report, he said, detailed the “most significant confirmed use of chemical weapons against civilians since Saddam Hussein used them” in Halabja in 1988.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23927399

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  192. Lucia Maria (2,660 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Don’t quite know how to approach a reply to yesterday’s comment. Whatever I can think of saying at this point is either inadequate or would take too long to type out. But I can tell you that my immediate reaction to the first few sentences was a few expletives and a need to pace the room before continuing to read – which is far more emotional a reaction than what I had to the website you gave.

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  193. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    have a look on the map south-west of Auckland.

    The nearest town is Waiuku 15kms south of me
    http://www.jasons.co.nz/waiuku/bus-trains-transport

    Waiuku Buses & Trains Guide…..

    Sorry, we couldn’t find anything that matched your requirements. Please change the search type or location and try again….. –

    No puplic transport, no reticualted water ,no footpaths, no sewerage, no rubbish collection, and too much in rates on len and his gym.

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  194. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    Lucia
    Reid will be loving that you had a strong reaction to one of his comments. It feeds his narcissistic personality disorder.

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  195. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    For those with short memories:

    John Kerry – Turkish false flag (Al Qaeda) to start war with Syria:

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/kerry-implicated-in-turkey-false-flag-using-al-qaeda-to-start-war-with-syria/

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  196. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If you feel that any of yesterdays comments was inadequate Lucia I’m sure nasska will resend you his 8:00 post! :)

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  197. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Going to hit the sack knowing that my relatives gave their lives for some useless cowardly scum buckets that do not deserve to breath the same air as decent folk.

    I guess they live in a house with no mirrors.

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  198. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    don’t mention yesterday JB

    I think I am one post away from a two-week holiday

    :lol:

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  199. SGA (1,275 comments) says:

    nasska at 8:00 pm

    I tried to send my girlfriend a picture of my cock today but my phone alerted me, “Recipient may not be able to receive files this large”.
    That’s a nice boost for my confidence, anyway.

    I’ve been thinking about getting one of those fancy new phones with the zoom lens. Are they any good?

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  200. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    I have just learned (via Wikipedia) that as of 2010 NZ does not have its own Vietnam war memorial, we lost a total of 37 men and 187 were wounded yet all these years later we have not done those men the honour of a memorial. If this is still the case then it is an outrage.

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  201. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Couldn’t help myself, but…

    ShawnLH: “…must be opposed with fierceness.”

    Oh my god, Shawn, you so fierce black woman who don’t need no man.

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  202. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The wife’s grandad was a trooper in the Canterbury Rifles and fought in Palestine and the Somme. He always said that the most amazing thing about war was the number of bullets that missed you. :)

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  203. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    His best memory of war was the time he stole the Colonels Whisky. ! :)

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  204. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t be the best bloke to ask about that SGA. I make do with a magnifying glass & a Box Brownie. :)

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  205. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Evening Minus! Sad cunt as usual I see. :)

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  206. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Lucia used to be a Brownie nasska before she realised she had a box! :)

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  207. SGA (1,275 comments) says:

    What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
    Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
    Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle
    Can patter out their hasty orisons.
    No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;
    Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, –
    The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
    And bugles calling for them from sad shires.
    What candles may be held to speed them all?
    Not in the hands of boys but in their eyes
    Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
    The pallor of girls’ brows shall be their pall;
    Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
    And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

    Anthem for a doomed youth – Wilfred Owen

    (sorry – I’ve always liked his work, and it seemed appropriate)

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  208. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    big bruv
    If we were to follow your logic, we would require separate memorials for South Africa, WWI, WWII, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam.

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  209. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Norm, Bill, David and Helen all hated those freedom fighters that went to Vietnam bb. That’s why we deny them still.

    I have to admit our lot of righty wankers haven’t done much about it.

    Keeping their eyes on the polls I guess! :)

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  210. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Published on Apr 23, 2014
    VICE News

    Claims of another chemical attack on civilians emerged from Syria on Monday. Activists reported the attack in the town of Telmanes, in the province of Idlib. Doctors at the Al Seddiq Hospital said they received 200 individual cases of people affected by the strikes, many of whom were children. The reports claim that barrel bombs containing chlorine were dropped from helicopters. This is the latest in a series of chemical attacks that have reportedly taken place across the country since April 11 and are being blamed on the Syrian regime.

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  211. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    We will probably need one for HOBM soon! :)

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  212. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    My dads best memory is

    the Sargent major regimental telling him

    I know you don’t give a fuck

    you know you don’t give a fuck

    but for fuck sake don’t let everyone else know you don’t give a fuck

    some thing to do with going awol with a jeep and two mates for a couple of days :lol:

    Helps if you are a private who plays full back for the regimental rugby team and is also the divisions boxing champ

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  213. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    I do realise you are in attention seeking mode today but please tell me what on earth would be wrong with a monument to each of those campaigns?

    Come to think of it, you have not been paying attention have you. All around this country tomorrow will be people attending dawn services (apart from Helen Clark, she never thought it was worth getting up early on ANZAC day) most of these services will be held and WWI memorials.

    Of all the conflicts we have fought in there is no doubt that the poor bastards who served in Vietnam received the worst treatment when they got home, these men and their families (and those of us who supported them) deserve a place that honours them.
    It is time that we as a nation welcomed these men home properly.

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  214. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    griffith: If you’re out Awhitu Road way (nice spot), then yeah, non-existent service. There’s a (single) commuter bus from Waiuku to Papakura at 6:25 Mon-Fri in the AM and then back in the PM, but that’s pretty much it. Two hours to Britomart that way. Would be 30mins quicker to take the car to Papakura and train from there. Probably comparable to a car trip into town at the peak (will be significantly less offpeak ofc).

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  215. stigie (1,456 comments) says:

    ” I tried to send my girlfriend a picture of my cock today but my phone alerted me, “Recipient may not be able to receive files this large”.
    That’s a nice boost for my confidence, anyway. ”

    Shit Nasska, no wonder the engagement is off at the moment !~

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  216. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Don’t forget our Vietnam vet’s went to fight in an American war bb and our dirty little leftie governments starting with Norm and culminating with Helen did there best to denigrate everything America stood for like personal freedom for example.

    Our more sensible leaders of today need to tread carefully trying to turn back this national shame that pervades NZ.

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  217. stigie (1,456 comments) says:

    Evening minus ya prick/prickess

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  218. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    We should accept that there were a vocal minority (despite scum like Clark and Goff trying to rewrite history) against the war and whatever ones views on that matter they should be put aside to honour the fallen. A simple plinth would suffice, something that listed the names of the fallen. It cannot be that hard to find the money for surely?

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  219. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I’ve actually been building a DSE Geiger counter so I can help welcome the US Navy next time they’re allowed to berth in Wellington! :)

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  220. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The filthy socialist fuckers have poisoned a couple of generations of NZ’ers against the Yanks bb. It will take a while or a Chinese invasion to reverse the mindset! :)

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  221. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Tauranga 1936

    http://screencast.com/t/vuMABHreuXFe

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  222. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    The Vietnam War wasn’t a popular one amongst the American people JB. The USA culture was what the youth of NZ were following & the anti war movement spread fast.

    It is still a great source for shame that New Zealander’s allowed our returned servicemen to be spat at & reviled when they came home.

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  223. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    According to twitter Shane Jones had just called Bummer Bradbury a “political wart”

    I think I am going to miss Jones.

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  224. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    It is still a great source for shame that New Zealander’s allowed our returned servicemen to be spat at & reviled when they came home.

    And then some of us elected her PM. Three times.

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  225. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The best friends New Zealand have ever had have been the Yanks nasska.

    Despite the best efforts of pieces of shit like Lange I still think that is true.

    We will rue our rejection of their friendship bigtime one day I suspect.

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  226. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Not many on here reid maybe milky and lefty lib on here at the mo actually voted for the harpy

    and Mrs Minus votes for the Communist League (New Zealand) who won a huge minority of 96 total votes in the last election

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  227. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I think I’ll take my Avigra now so I can be standing to attention come dawn! :)

    Night all!

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  228. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Opposition to that war is regularly overstated.

    Of course if you listen to the usual suspects (cultural marxists) then you’d think everyone was against it.

    That just goes to show how powerful Hollywood is.

    We’ve seen the same thing here. The 60’s and 70’s commies are losing a lot of their influence.Proof ,a resurgent Anzac Day.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_United_States_involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War

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  229. Reid (16,737 comments) says:

    This is the second skirmish reported tonight in Ukraine – the last one was a few hours ago.

    http://rt.com/news/154544-slavyansk-fighting-east-ukraine/

    We’ll be hearing more tomorrow morning as we commemorate the fallen.

    All caused by US aggression. Sorry, but it’s true.

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  230. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Red Poppy Divisive in Northern Ireland.

    That is typical bollox.

    Ireland sent 10’s of thousands to WW1 ( All volunteers ,conscription was never extended there) After the war there were regular Royal British Legion Poppy Days as in the UK.

    However the Republican thugs who ruled the streets went on a deliberate campaign of intimidation to stop them.The practise slowly died out as was the Republican intention.

    Ireland is re awakening to the shame of how the state deliberately ignored its’ fallen.

    And tomorrow I will also remember the men of the SS River Clyde.

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  231. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/11/when-50000-irishmen-gathered-to-commemorate-the-first-world-war/

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  232. Nostalgia-NZ (5,322 comments) says:

    ‘There were some, such as Emmot Dalton, who saw no contradiction between fighting for the British against the Germans and for the IRA against the British. That is part of the story too.’

    Also you need to wonder how it was that men were continued to be sent against machine gun fire, through water, open boats and alighting through narrow ports into a bullet hail. It’s unlikely that the British officer laid such early claim that the troops were landing unopposed if that that were not an expectation in some quarters, or a test in others, early as it was in the history of machine guns holding entrenchment against a foe moving in the difficultly of water before being exposed in open, lower, ground.

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  233. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    The circumstance of having a nationalist dispute with the UK and yet fighting a common enemy, was one for the Irish in WW1 and Jews in WW2.

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  234. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    In riposte to the right wing attempt to own patriotism on this blog.

    The veterans who voted in the first Labour government deserve red poppy respect.

    And those who ended the white mushroom clouds in the Pacific (third Labour government) and then the atoll to sea pollution from the continuing underground testing do so also. They also defended our region.

    As for US ship visits, they are not necessary for our defence. They were part of our contribution to collective security and to back up our multi-lateralist foreign policy. They were sacrificed as part of a campaign to

    1. ending testing
    2. opt out from defence via nuclear capacity of an ally as contribution to nuclear disarmament
    3. the South Pacific as an example of a nuclear free region

    (this coincided with the decision of the USSR and USA to withdraw their nuclear weapons from Europe – later Russia and the USA reduced down their nuclear arms stocks).

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  235. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    They were sacrificed as a victory to the communist inspired sisterhood that ran Labour at the time.

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