Jones says Greens are anti-industry

April 27th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

3 News reports:

has taken another shot at the , labelling them anti-industry. And when asked whether a Labour- government would be preferable to a National government, he avoided the question.

Mr Jones will leave his job as a Labour MP in a month and it seems until then he will take every opportunity to attack Labour’s closest ally, the Greens.

“I just felt the Kaupapa the Greens were bringing forward, I always felt it was too anti-industry,” he says. “I’m just not going to fight that fight anymore. If that’s the way they want to run the country then I’ve had enough of it.”

Steven Joyce has pointed out they’re against the dairy industry, farming, oil and gas exploration, aquaculture, free trade agreements and international investment!

Mr Jones says he still supports Labour, but when asked twice whether he would prefer Labour-Greens government over third-term National government, he did not give a clear answer. 

I think the lack of answer speaks volumes.

Shane Jones knows deep down that a Government with Russel Norman as Minister of Finance or Economic Development will actually be against economic development.

Also in an HoS profile:

Pumipi says he should have gone with National. Jones is more oblique: “I will never admit to having joined the wrong party. But I admit to the fact that I have sounded consistently like a guy who doesn’t belong to the modern Labour Party.”

Jones’ political career is not over. Certainly, he is done with Labour. “I’m not naturally left-leaning,” he admits. He does not believe it can win this year’s election if Cunliffe continues with the current strategy, cosying up to the Greens.

Yet on Tuesday Labour will announce they have effectively adopted the Greens’ monetary policy, after fighting against it for 25 years.

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48 Responses to “Jones says Greens are anti-industry”

  1. Redbaiter (7,997 comments) says:

    What Jone’s departure really signifies is the silent takeover of the Labour Party by the Green Party.

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  2. tvb (4,242 comments) says:

    The experience of the Green Labour coalition in Tasmania is economic development was prevented and it stopped. Large amounts of the State were locked up because this or that bird or animal needed its habitat. The State was subsequently supported by remittance payments from Canberra. New Zealand does not have anyone giving us remittance payments. We have to earn everything we get including providing the wealth to pay for welfare. This is what Jones sees as the toxic effect of the Greens on Labour. This part of the Labour vote will then be ceded to National, which may mean that Labour will be consigned to the opposition for a long long time.

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  3. radvad (696 comments) says:

    Does anyone else think this might be payback for Turei calling Jones “sexist” and a “19th century man”?

    Keep up the childish insults Metira and keep it coming Shane.

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  4. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    All globalist govts are anti industry and pro taxation and bureaucracy.

    Most production lines are closed down. Toyota, Holden and Ford are saying they see the writing on the wall and left Australasia. They have no confidence in economic growth at all. Thus we can know privatisation is a tool for deprivation
    and has no impetus for growth at all. We have just heard a mammoth industry has been sold to the Japanese which will firstly mean no job security. Profits taken off shore and probably as with most big business very little tax paid.

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  5. tvb (4,242 comments) says:

    I prefer we called privatisation – capital recycling. Capital in Electricity Companies is recycled into schools and Hospitals.

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  6. ShawnLH (4,412 comments) says:

    I assume wiri bus…whatever….is living on a different planet to us.

    NZ’s economy is growing. Manufacturing is growing. And while more needs to be done to encourage that growth, we are on the right path.

    For all their talk of “Green business” the Greenies, if allowed anywhere near the economy, and Cunliffe is just stupid enough to do that, will bury NZ.

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  7. OneTrack (2,793 comments) says:

    Shane Jones knows deep down that a Government with Labour (2014) will actually be against economic development.

    There, fixed it for ya.

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  8. OneTrack (2,793 comments) says:

    A bit of mixed up logic there wiki.

    What do you suggest – that the government start manufacturing cars in New Zealand again?

    KiwiLada – the car for everyone, and full employment for all. What could go wrong?

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  9. hmmokrightitis (1,566 comments) says:

    wiki is a lot like weddy, making shit up to support an unsupportable argument.

    Pretty soon I suspect wiki will tell us he cannot accomplish revolution whilst talking to us, tell us hes leaving for good, taking his massive intellect elsewhere. And then come back.

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  10. hj (6,697 comments) says:

    Globalization brings reorganization at the international, national and sub-national levels. Specifically, it brings the reorganization of production, international trade and the integration of financial markets. This affects capitalist economic and social relations, via multilateralism and microeconomic phenomena, such as business competitiveness, at the global level. The transformation of production systems affects the class structure, the labor process, the application of technology and the structure and organization of capital. Globalization is now seen as marginalizing the less educated and low-skilled workers. Business expansion will no longer automatically imply increased employment. Additionally, it can cause high remuneration of capital, due to its higher mobility compared to labor.

    The phenomenon seems to be driven by three major forces: globalization of all product and financial markets, technology and deregulation. Globalization of product and financial markets refers to an increased economic integration in specialization and economies of scale, which will result in greater trade in financial services through both capital flows and cross-border entry activity. The technology factor, specifically telecommunication and information availability, has facilitated remote delivery and provided new access and distribution channels, while revamping industrial structures for financial services by allowing entry of non-bank entities, such as telecoms and utilities.

    Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/globalization-developed-countries.asp#ixzz1zAXJHCTw

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  11. Than (440 comments) says:

    What Jone’s departure really signifies is the silent takeover of the Labour Party by the Green Party.

    I (mostly) agree. Jones’ departure signifies the rising importance of the Greens within not just the Labour party, but the broader left. One of the many internal divisions within Labour is jobs/workers/economy versus preventing climate change. Because (much as the Greens like to claim otherwise) you cannot have both.

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  12. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (833 comments) says:

    Word inside Labour circles is Labour’s monetary policy to be announced on Tuesday is going to be circuit breaker and National will be ducking for cover. Bring it on Cunliffe….

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  13. OneTrack (2,793 comments) says:

    SCS – Have your sources confirmed that the policy has been signed off by Minister of Finance Norman. We dont want any more mistakes now, do we?

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  14. MT_Tinman (3,043 comments) says:

    Having had the misfortune to meet another Red mp a couple of days ago – the one who should be taken with parsley, rosemary and thyme – it appears the only thing the reds are for is taking money off people earning it by whatever means possible.

    It even complained to me that workers parked near Christchurch airport were not on metered spaces.

    Jones is correct.

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  15. Redbaiter (7,997 comments) says:

    “tell us hes leaving for good”

    That lie again.

    Another braindead PG clone.

    I merely explained (in response to queries in GD) why I had decided to limit my comments on Kiwiblog. It was PG who made it into a big declaration.

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  16. tvb (4,242 comments) says:

    This is a battle over whether Labour supports economic development. Or whether it should be stopped because of its detrimental effect on the environment. Jones is saying I am off I cannot win this battle. This then sharply divides the electorate into two. Those who support economic development vote national. Those that do not vote Labour/Greens. David Cunliffe is trying to fudge this by saying we want this both ways. But with Jones going this really trumps that dishonest. Facade Cunliffe is trying to pull. Jones is saying do not vote Labour/Greens if you favour economic development.

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  17. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “I prefer we called privatisation – capital recycling. Capital in Electricity Companies is recycled into schools and Hospitals.”

    Naieve at best…..fascist propaganda at most.

    Privatisation is private profit. Obviously private profit is not going to be returned to public ammenities. That’s why privatisation govt’s are evil.

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  18. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Jones is saying do not vote Labour/Greens if you favour economic development.”

    If this is the best Jones can do to hurt his betrayal party I am dissappointed. No letting any cats out of bags here.

    He obviously hasn’t been given privy information about Labour agenda’s otherwise he would be a hive of information.

    Or he is purposely holding back. Only fear would be that reason

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  19. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    OneTrack
    Trekka Was the kiwi lada.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekka
    Except it had skoda bits

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  20. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “wiki is a lot like weddy, making shit up to support an unsupportable argument.”

    Most production lines are closed down. Toyota, Holden and Ford are saying they see the writing on the wall and left Australasia.

    All true.

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  21. backster (2,122 comments) says:

    “Mr Jones will leave his job as a Labour MP in a month and it seems until then he will take every opportunity to attack Labour’s closest ally, the Greens.”

    Correct…but I think this is an approved strategy tactic by Labour to use Jones to sideline the Greens in favour of Winston First.

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  22. Pete George (23,293 comments) says:

    “tell us hes leaving for good”

    That lie again.

    Another braindead PG clone.

    I merely explained (in response to queries in GD) why I had decided to limit my comments on Kiwiblog. It was PG who made it into a big declaration.

    I’d like to see that mere explanation. Most people here know what Reddie explanations are like. For example:

    Redbaiter Says:
    September 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Even under the burden of Farrar’s bias, I can with plain logic decimate you and your gang of ignorant uneducated progressive and cowardly scum anytime I choose.

    (That Farrar lets you and your ilk dominate and set the mood of this site is his choice and his loss. Frankly it makes contributing at Kiwiblog like swimming in a sewer.)

    It’s unlikely Reddie will back up his claim, so here is his exit comment a couple of months later.

    Here’s the deal derps.

    Kiwiblog used to be read by people with influence. Even GD. So it was worth the time and effort to comment here.

    Now look at it. Mostly a collection of boring prog trolls with fuck all of consequence to say about anything.

    (Excluding my RW buddies here of course. You know who you are)

    Sorry. I want to change the political culture in NZ and I won’t do that here with a bunch of time wasting nitwits like the Ekatahuna Imbecile.

    I’ve moved on to better things.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/general_debate_20_november_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1237437

    Maybe the political culture at KB has improved enough to be graced once again with the great explainer.

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  23. JeffW (324 comments) says:

    Wacky wacky biz – I understand the wacky, wacky part of your nom-de-guerre, but not about the business part of it.

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  24. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Privatisation is private profit. Obviously private profit is not going to be returned to public ammenities. That’s why privatisation govt’s are evil.”

    What part of this statement is wacky.

    Corporates keep their profits and pay little tax

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  25. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Anti-industry, anti-progress, anti-freedom and personal liberty.
    If given a chance, the communist Green Party will ruin our country.

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  26. tvb (4,242 comments) says:

    The Government gets it cut through company tax. Though recycling income producing assets into non income producing assets is bad business except for money saved on paying interest on borrowed money.

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  27. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The Greens believe people and all their works are evil. Especially white males. Their agenda is to deconstruct everything those evil white males have created. This is the final product of the feminism you all tolerate so placidly. The Greens fuzzy logic is the worst kind of emotive out of control female logic allowed to run rampant. Their policies are all emotive feel good affirmations so loved by women. Their policies always have a victim component to justify them. Another female trick.

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  28. OneTrack (2,793 comments) says:

    wiki – “That’s why privatisation govt’s are evil.”

    So all private profits are evil. Which means all private companies are evil. Hence must be banned. And the all powerful state must take responsibility for all production and employment.

    I seem to remember reading a Manifesto along those lines. Now I remember..

    Wiki, you’re a Green.

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  29. william blake (109 comments) says:

    Shane Jones works for the National Party. What would you expect him to say?

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  30. OneTrack (2,793 comments) says:

    william – I dont know about that, but he sure as hell didn’t want to work for the Green Party.

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  31. dad4justice (7,964 comments) says:

    Who cares about Shane Jones he’s just a deli addicted to porn. Nutional, Liarbour or the Qweens made this country a sick socialist joke.

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  32. David Garrett (6,722 comments) says:

    I have heard Jones described as many things, but as a place where one buys cold meats and dried tomatoes….that’s new..

    Or perhaps the contributor was alluding to this Dalmation origins?

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  33. srylands (392 comments) says:

    “Toyota, Holden and Ford are saying they see the writing on the wall and left Australasia.”

    You say that like it is a bad thing. The only pity was that Australian governments devoted billions in subsidies to delay the inevitable.

    BTW your use of the word “corporate” as a noun meaning some evil entity is the kind of thing I would expect to see in a pimply 19 year old at the socialist worker Green Left Weekly.

    Your suggestion that companies do not pay tax is offensive to those of us who own companies and pay shit loads of tax.

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  34. srylands (392 comments) says:

    “wiki – “That’s why privatisation govt’s are evil.”

    So the 40-50 countries over the last three decades with active privatisation policies have been run by evil governments? Including Japan, the UK, Singapore, Sweden and Australia? They are all mistaken? Totally irrational. None of them are concerned about the welfare of their populations?

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  35. ZenTiger (425 comments) says:

    “Your suggestion that companies do not pay tax is offensive”

    About as offensive as suggesting all welfare recipients are bludgers. No doubt, some (a few) are, just as some Corporations engage in mechanisms such as transfer pricing to minimise (evade) tax.

    Tends to be the smaller companies pay the majority of taxes, and the larger ones have the ability and profits to manipulate the ledger.

    Globalisation isn’t particularly new. It was under the guise of Colonialism that globalisation suited wealthier nations. Now, multi-national companies aren’t so loyal to their home countries any more (until they need a bail-out), and countries like China might mean the fruits of globalisation will not be as advantageous to the Western world.

    I’m generally for free trade, but let’s not kid ourselves that it doesn’t come with its own set of dangers.

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  36. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    “Toyota, Holden and Ford are saying they see the writing on the wall and left Australasia.”

    The Coalition is attempting to end corporate welfare in Aus hence making cars utes in a very small market with exports only to one even smaller country at a cost double world standards was doomed years ago only kept from drowning with massive taxpayer funded subsidies.

    SPC Ardmona went begging to the Federal Government and Hockey told them to either refinance or close up.
    The State Govt put some dosh in (election coming up) and Woolworths came to the party and SPC now needs more fruit and staff.
    Federal corporate welfare was not needed apparently, just an attractive source of funding!!!

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  37. srylands (392 comments) says:

    Fair enough. But those who pimp the poor by rolling out hard luck stories will only encourage others to roll out counter stories about bludgers. No end to that game.

    We would be better off focusing on the big picture – which is that New Zealand has a shocking problem of welfare dependency. I would nominate that as THE pressing public policy problem. Along with education achievement and housing affordability.

    The Government could do more on all three problems.

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  38. ZenTiger (425 comments) says:

    And I assume welfare dependency also includes the aging population and growing superannuation bill? Housing affordability would definitely be one area to target to help improve wealth across the board.

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  39. slijmbal (1,223 comments) says:

    @Zen

    “Tends to be the smaller companies pay the majority of taxes, and the larger ones have the ability and profits to manipulate the ledger.”

    They, and sole traders, represent the bulk of the black economy of the $6bn in evaded taxes that is invariably laid at the feet of the large corporates by the left. I do agree that the large international companies have the ability to legally avoid large amounts of tax and apply other rent seeking activities. I don’t accept that there aren’t ways to reduce these activities.

    “About as offensive as suggesting all welfare recipients are bludgers. No doubt, some (a few) are, just as some Corporations engage in mechanisms such as transfer pricing to minimise (evade) tax.”

    It’s probably about a 1/3rd of welfare recipients are bludgers (I do exclude the pension in that as it’s a universal and large benefit). Imagine how much more help we could give to the other 2/3rds who need welfare if the bludgers did not exist.

    We should not accept any of these 3 ways of avoidance of responsibility and contribution.

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  40. Komata (1,141 comments) says:

    ZT

    Re: ‘Housing affordability would definitely be one area to target to help improve wealth across the board’.

    Don’t worry Komrade, when Wussell is Minister of Finance and Metiria is Minister of Thought, all ‘non-believers’ in the ‘god’ of global warming, will be have their hard-earned assets and their ‘nice’ homes taken away from them and given to the ‘poor’ and after that they will be herded into camps for ‘re-education’. Gaia rules, they have decreed it to be so., and under their philosophies ‘all men are equal’ (except those in charge, of course).

    And if you thought that things in Soviet Russia was bad, these two, by combining ignorance and marxism, haven’t even started….

    BTW, there was a certain gentleman in Cambodia who held to the same basic premise as the gweens (that the country should return to a basic subsistence state). I believe his name was Pol Pot…

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  41. lolitasbrother (581 comments) says:

    It is worth remembering that maybe 12% of people vote for Green and many of the other 88% ,
    especially older people are opposed to Green.
    So opposed are some people that we vote negatively against Green,
    Rod Donald found this out in 2005, when Helen Clark ignored his hopes. Chris Trotter wrote about this before .
    Many people think that NZ First will never enter coalition with Green.
    In fact Green are a political curse in my opinion. Its a dead vote, and Cunliffe I think he accepts it. hence the shuffling with both feet backwards

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  42. ZenTiger (425 comments) says:

    @slijmbal – aren’t going to disagree with much of what you say. There’s generally fair players and rotten eggs in any grouping. Personally, I think a good measure of corporate tax contribution is the number of employees located in NZ. Irrespective of how much tax is collected on profits, paying decent salaries which are then taxed is a big contribution if there are a reasonable amount of employees relative to turnover. Otherwise – businesses with high exports.

    @Komata: Aye yes, there are many ways of implementing housing affordability. A government of the far left (the Greens), who sees little merit in private property and home ownership and at heart despise the suburban lifestyle would see rows of State Houses and people crammed into eco-friendly concrete boxes posing as city apartments to ensure the human viruses are restricted to cities to let the country-side be people, cow and sheep free. It would only be Gareth Morganites allowed to roam the pristine countryside killing off feral cats. Possibly an exaggeration. Possibly not.

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  43. Komata (1,141 comments) says:

    ZT

    Fee haf zee fays no? ‘The Leader’s’ would of course ensure that they remained ‘above’ such things ‘for the sake of the environment’ (and gaia – of course)

    Who needs a crystal ball? Orwell had it correctly identified, if only some 30-or so years late..

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  44. you reap what you sow (31 comments) says:

    The Greens are anti industry, which is the wealth creator. If their attitudes are translated to policy then poverty will increase.

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  45. labrator (1,846 comments) says:

    Here’s what happens when the Greens get into power in a council. Now extrapolate that over an entire country. Then weep.

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  46. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    Most production lines are closed down. Toyota, Holden and Ford are saying they see the writing on the wall and left Australasia.

    The motor vehicle industry in Australia has never been self supporting. It has always relied on tarrifs and subsidies. Good riddance to it, maybe cars will be a bit cheaper once the government arseholes the tarrif.

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    @gazzmaniac

    Really hope that is the reality. The Oz govt paid millions to Ford and Holden to keep them. They took the money and ran.

    I just hope this phenomenon is simple industry greed and not an indication of a bursting bubble

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  48. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    labrator @ 11:58, that is the Green promise alright. That and a whole lot more. People under estimate just how loony these people are. They keep their real agenda hidden for marketing purposes.

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