Future topics for Campbell Live

May 22nd, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Campbell last night aired the results of a “two-year investigation” into the recruitment of Fletcher.

It was claimed there was a meeting on December 14, 2011, between Key and the police boss who ordered the spying on Dotcom that was never disclosed.

is completely wrong,” Key said.

“There weren’t two meetings; there was one meeting.

“The meeting was actually Simon Murdoch with Ian Fletcher over in my office. He happened to be in New Zealand.

“It was an introduction. I can’t tell you exactly everything we talked about a) because I would never say that.

“But I can tell you what we didn’t talk about. We didn’t talk about Kim Dotcom. It’s impossible to talk about someone you don’t know.”

The illegal bugging of Dotcom’s mansion is believed to have taken place under Murdoch, who was GCSB director between July 1, 2011, and December 19, 2011.

Key has maintained he was never told of the surveillance.

He said Campbell’s story had moved into conspiracy theorist territory.

“I reckon tomorrow night – and I know tonight he’s doing keas being run over in car parks – but tomorrow night I reckon he should do Obama not being born in America, and Friday we could move on to 9/11 and why the Americans were behind that, and next week we could move into the Kennedys,” he said.

“I mean, honestly, I have some respect for John, but when you do two years and come up with absolutely nada, then you do what he did – set a whole lot of assumptions to music.”

They should use the same music for the episode on how the US was really behind 9/11

Key dismissed claims by Dotcom that Key met the police chief responsible for the raid on the Dotcom mansion.

“Completely incorrect; never met the police in my life about that issue,” he said.

“That was the day the Government was being sworn in.”

Maybe Key was multi-tasking!

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110 Responses to “Future topics for Campbell Live”

  1. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    John Key needs to ask his golfing buddy Obama why he wrote in his own autobiography that he was born in Kenya.

    Or why all of the records that would identify Obama’s origins are sealed.

    Or why the Clintons were originally behind the ineligibility claims.

    Obama’s ineligibility to be US president is not the best example to use if Key wants to discredit the Kim Dotcom camp.

    Once he is no longer President, Obama will be brought to justice.

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  2. lilman (893 comments) says:

    Have rung Mazda head office and told them I will never buy or use as a rental a vehicle from their range as long as they continue to support the Campbell Live show.
    They said thanks for the call and asked if I wanted a senior company representative to talk too.
    I replied ,No thanks.

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  5. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (789 comments) says:

    Hmmmm…..I am not very happy about uncle Key making strong statements like – ““Completely incorrect; never met the police in my life about that issue”. Then after a while there will be statement which says, “Key admits to a meeting with police but denies it was about Dotcom”….then another statement which says “Key admits, Dotcom topic might have been raised, but he can’t recall”….then finally “Key admits knowing Dotcom raid beforehand”….

    Why give any oxygen to this topic? I am not comfortable with these kind of statements….

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  6. wreck1080 (3,735 comments) says:

    I generally disbelieve conspiracy theories because people have big mouths and someone in the loop usually speaks out.

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  7. dave53 (85 comments) says:

    They should use the same music for the episode on how the US was really behind 9/11

    Hey, it was not just any ol’ Americans, it was George W Bush. His brother personally planted the charges in the Twin Towers. Oh and it was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon, not a Boeing.

    Well, all that crap is more believeable than the fantasies of Redmasterbaitor.

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  8. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

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  9. Than (425 comments) says:

    It’s funny how he can remember all those specific details, meetings, who was there and what not but just forget that the chap’s parents were best friends with his, that he went to school with his brother et al.

    It’s funny how the Prime Minister has a staff that keep a diary recording his meetings and who attended, while a schoolboy in the late 60s/early 70′s doesn’t write down the name of every relative of their friends.

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  10. dime (9,472 comments) says:

    “set a whole lot of assumptions to music.” lol OUCH!

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  11. Pete George (22,867 comments) says:

    “It is simply not credible to suggest that Fletcher & Key who were friends…”

    It is simply not credible to suggest that (Ian) Fletcher & Key were friends – Key is reported as being friends with his brother.

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  12. prosper (132 comments) says:

    Fletcher is the brother of JK,s friend. This is not a secret. Is everybody friends with their friends brother? No they are not. Can’t the opposition find something of substance to attack the government with. No they cannot.

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  13. Manolo (13,399 comments) says:

    John Campbell is a disgrace to journalism. Some day the Green hack will be unmasked.

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  14. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Yes Manolo, you’re perfectly right about John Campbell, but if the National Party had any damn balls, he would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago. THEY WON”T FIGHT.

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  15. All_on_Red (1,394 comments) says:

    Manolo
    Campbell was exposed long ago. Media works support for him exposes their bias also. Let’s face it, Henry is just the token conservative on 3.

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  16. alloytoo (434 comments) says:

    I’d like to publicly state that I probably met with friends prior to the raid on the Dotcom mansion. While I was aware of the Megaupload service, I wasn’t aware of Dotcom himself.

    I also probably met acquaintances prior to the raid. Didn’t talk about Kim either.

    As an aside I noticed Mona Dotcom getting into a Black Audi the other day. I didn’t talk about that either prior to the event.

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  17. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “Henry is just the token conservative on 3.”

    FFS, he’s no Conservative. Paper thin and weak as cat’s piss. A real Conservative would never be hired by TV 3.

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  18. Pete George (22,867 comments) says:

    if the National Party had any damn balls, he would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago.

    I don’t think shutting down media and shutting up journalists were in the National Party founding principles.

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  19. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Part of the problem is that most people still regard the media as the media.

    They are not. They have been fully taken over by Progressives who use them as a propaganda force to advance the detestable one party state political agenda of the left.

    Nazi propagandists were hung at the end of WWII.

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  20. Jim (400 comments) says:

    Key: “It’s impossible to talk about someone you don’t know.”

    Not true. Campbell regularly demonstrates that with the appropriate supporting music, he can talk about anything. Knowledge is not an obstacle to writing a good drama.

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  21. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “John Key needs to ask his golfing buddy Obama why he wrote in his own autobiography that he was born in Kenya.”
    He didn’t

    “Or why all of the records that would identify Obama’s origins are sealed.”
    They aren’t

    “Or why the Clintons were originally behind the ineligibility claims.”
    Citation needed

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  22. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,557 comments) says:
    May 22nd, 2014 at 11:02 am
    John Key needs to ask his golfing buddy Obama why he wrote in his own autobiography that he was born in Kenya.

    Or why all of the records that would identify Obama’s origins are sealed……etc, etc

    And the evidence for these claims.?

    I think you should seriously consider joining the Campbell Live investigative team if your not done so already .

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  23. Yoza (1,552 comments) says:

    Key could always go on Campbell Live to explain the glaring inconsistencies that exist between the official narrative and the timeline of events presented by Campbell.

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  24. Bad__Cat (137 comments) says:

    < Redbaiter (6,558 comments) says:
    May 22nd, 2014 at 12:08 pm
    “Henry is just the token conservative on 3.”

    FFS, he’s no Conservative. ”

    He is a conservative (with a lower case “c”, ie what Red calls a “}%€ progressive”)
    but not a “Konservative” as defined by Red. I’m not even sure if the Tea Partiers fit into that category.

    Am I right?

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  25. lastmanstanding (1,210 comments) says:

    Campbells nothing more than a Leftie stooge. Always was. Just like that dreadful Mould wimmin who night after night pretended to be a nonpartisan political reporter for TV One and then goes to be spin doctor for the Socialist party.
    Soper Espiner et al Left Wing stooges all trying to pretend to be impartial.

    Fact the MSM in this country are riddled with Left Wing stooges. And don’t they just hate it that their mob gonna lose come 20 Sept

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  26. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,798 comments) says:

    The screaming apologists here might like to reconsider.

    An early Obama’s CV contained a reference to his being born in Kenya, written when he needed to demonstrate he was not a US citizen in order to qualify for a foreign scholarship. The particular entry was on the public record for more than ten years. It later became an embarrassment when he decided to run for POTUS. Probably the main reason his scholastic record is kept well hidden.

    Lefties first reaction to ANYTHING is to lie, no matter where they are born.

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  27. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Yoza, does the inconsistencies in the” narrative ” include Dotcoms claim that Key met with the Chief of Police responsible for the raid on his mansion.?
    Do you think it would be good idea for Campbell Live to investigate other sundry conspiracies like 9/11 was an inside job.?

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  28. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Adolf, like Redbaiter you can substantiate and document the allegation re an early CV containing a reference of his being born in Kenya etc.?

    Do you think i along with Redbaiter it might be a good idea to assist Campbell Live as a research assistant for a ” Birther “investigator special.?

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  29. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Don’t “substantiate” it Adolf.

    Let the commie trolls sink in their own sewer of ignorance.

    We’re long done dancing to their tune.

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  30. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “An early Obama’s CV contained a reference to his being born in Kenya, written when he needed to demonstrate he was not a US citizen in order to qualify for a foreign scholarship. The particular entry was on the public record for more than ten years.”

    Citation needed

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  31. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    In other words Redbaiter can’t substantiate anything.

    Nor does he realise his own hypocrisy in supporting Ted Cruz for President – who *actually* wasn’t born in the US

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  32. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    ” In other words Redbaiter can’t substantiate anything.”

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=People+too+stupid+to+use+google

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  33. kowtow (7,653 comments) says:

    Campbell needs to do a story on leftwing media bias.

    He has acknowledged in the past ,essentially, that he is a journalist with a socialist activist agenda.

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  34. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Redbaiter , thats code for an abject total white flag surrender and defeat . In other words your have no evidence or facts .Typically also sliding into tantrums and abuse when things don’t go your way.
    Google it.? , the old tired dodging and side stepping.

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  35. Pete George (22,867 comments) says:

    Part of the problem is that most people still regard the media as the media.

    They are not. They have been fully taken over by Progressives who use them as a propaganda force to advance the detestable one party state political agenda of the left.

    Nazi propagandists were hung at the end of WWII.

    RB nearly back to his best, not far away from suggesting all journalists will be hanging from lamp posts after his revolution. The one party state queen of irony,

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  36. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    What stephieboy said. Redbaiter has failed miserably. So sad

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  37. big bruv (13,331 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    “but if the National Party had any damn balls, he would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago. THEY WON”T FIGHT.”

    Right!, so if the Nat’s were stupid enough to follow your suggestions (as a campaign manager you would be as bad as Bradbury) then we would have the Labour/Greens in power for decades.
    Now you might not like the way that Kiwis vote (and as it happens I wish they were more right wing) but the fact remains that a left leaning National party is preferable to a hard left alliance between the Greens and Labour.

    Besides, what you want Bedwetter is some sort of gun loving, hard right, religious state where we are all forced to live as we did in the 1950′s. The reality is that most Kiwis do not want that.
    Given you live in a bubble Bedwetter it may come as some surprise to you that most Kiwis like our welfare state, many of them are not keen on the way it is abused by the parasites but we like it all the same. Most Kiwis like the idea that you can have health care without having to pay exorbitant premiums as they do in the USA. Most Kiwis don’t care what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Most Kiwis do not want wholesale access to guns and most Kiwis can see that Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin is a fucking moron.

    Most of all Bedwetter most Kiwis don’t give a flying fuck where Obama was born.

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  38. Jack5 (4,600 comments) says:

    Is this programme in danger of being renamed Campbell Lies?

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  39. big bruv (13,331 comments) says:

    And then Adolf joins in!

    Adolf is such a fan of John Key and New Zealand that he would do anything for them………anything that is apart from actually live in NZ.

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  40. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    One day that ranting coward Bruv, who was barred from one forum for having more than a dozen different identities, will submit an argument that isn’t just a worthless tirade of lies and strawmen.

    Then again, maybe he never will.

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  41. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    Obama’s biography didn’t say he was born in Kenya, but his Literary Agent’s (Dystel & Goderich) website listed Kenya as his birthplace for some 16 years until 2007. Obama apparently wrote an autobiography while he was at Harvard which has not been published but the promotional material for it remained with D&G. A flyer published in 1991 by D&G said “Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University…”

    The website was updated in 2007 after Obama announced that he would run for President, and his birthplace was listed as Hawaii.

    The best evidence we have is that Obama was born in Hawaii based on sworn testimony by the then Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health (Dr. Chiyome Fukino) that she had personally sighted his long-form birth certificate in the original paper form), and that the extant copy released was a true and accurate version. The actual birth certificate as held in Hawaii is off-limits to anyone, something that Obama himself can change. It would seem to me to be a severe stretch of the imagination to believe that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, but it is not literally impossible (using the true meaning of “literal”, it would take a mighty clever conspiracy though…). That is, I would accept that the evidence we have is essentially conclusive, but this was only true after the Donald Trump furore and the release of the long form copy and attestation. Note that a number of attempts to have Obama’s qualifications ruled upon by the court system in the US have been launched, but none has ever been allowed to proceed on the basis that no one has been granted “standing” to bring such a case.

    There are other minor unresolved issues, for example when Obama was around 9 he attended an Indonesian public school State Elementary School Menteng 01, and only children with indonesian citizenship can attend such schools. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship so if Obama was officially an Indonesian citizen his US citizenship had been renounced. However it is far more credible that in his case the citizenship rules were “overlooked” as his step-father was an influential person.

    However Obama’s Harvard and other educational records are not available (sealed is the wrong word, Obama could release them but hasn’t) and are not accessible to anyone. Thus his grades at school and at university are not known. We also don’t know if he claimed any special funding at Harvard, it is suggested that he claimed to be a foreign student (born in Kenya) as that would have entitled him to certain financial and other benefits. This would fit with the published info at D&G but we have no way at present to know if this is true or not as all related records are indeed closed to enquiry. Note that GW Bush did not release his records either but they were in fact leaked before he became President. Nothing like that with Obama, leakproof.

    Contrarian, if you have access to Obama’s Harvard records please let us know how, nobody else in the world has, so we’d love to know.

    As for the origin of birtherism, wikipedia (I know, not always the best source but probably adequate here) says:

    “During the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential primaries, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton surfaced that questioned Obama’s citizenship in an attempt to revive Clinton’s faltering primary election campaign. These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama’s origin, religion and birth certificate.” Absent better information I think that would be reasonable evidence that it originated with the Clinton’s myself.

    Just FYI.

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  42. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Contrarian, if you have access to Obama’s Harvard records please let us know how, nobody else in the world has, so we’d love to know.”

    What I mean is they are not ‘sealed’ rather:
    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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  43. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Thank you Contrarian. Ted Cruz was a real revelation and the link below looks at the issue of him in more depth. The fact that he was born in Canada does not apparently necessarily make him non legible, but nor does it with Obama ,who unlike Cruz was in fact born in the US.
    But I’ll bet if Cruz even had say a Canadian father his legibility to stand would of not come under the same kind of intense scrutiny as Obama did by the deluded Birther movement ,

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/

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  44. David Garrett (6,463 comments) says:

    Russell: You talk some unmitigated crap here, but suggesting that TV 3 – a private company FFS – should have been “gone long ago” is a new low in idiocy even for you…

    Are you seriously advocating the gummint close down media outlets that produce comment it happens not to like?? Or even content it thinks/knows is wrong or misleading?

    You have already “Godwinned” the thread, but perhaps you could volunteer to be the Minister of Propaganda? There are plenty of images of Dr Goebbels out there to help Mrs ‘Baiter to knock up a uniform…

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  45. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    TheContrarian, yes, I noted that sealed is wrong, but the effect is the same, we have no information on his scholastic results or on any administrative details of his time at Harvard.

    I rather like the theory that he was indeed claiming (falsely) to be a foreign student for a variety of reasons as it does rather neatly tie up the literary agent information. I mean, that agency must have obtained the data behind the blurb about Obama from somewhere; and this is behind the efforts to keep everything under wraps. It would not disqualify him as president but would present an unedifying spectacle.

    However such special pleading is apparently quite acceptable even when untrue and used for personal advantage, as long as it is done by one from the left. Witness Senator “PowWow Chow” Elizabeth Warren and her claims of native American descent and the advantages she gained.

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  46. tvb (4,210 comments) says:

    Campbell is left wing and Hosking is right wing and having that contrast gives our media more depth. The spooky music on the show about GCSB made the programme laughable quite apart from the absurd claims.

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  47. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Using the standards Redbaiter is applying to Obama (if Obama wasn’t born in the US) it would mean Cruz isn’t eligible to be president. Yet Red seems to ignore this in support of Cruz….weird

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  48. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    Stephie, that’s bullshit. If Cruz looked like a serious contender for President, do you think that the Democratic clobbering machine would for one moment hesitate to attack him from every possible angle ?

    As noted above, it was the Clinton’s who started birtherism.

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  49. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “we have no information on his scholastic results or on any administrative details of his time at Harvard.”

    This is not uncommon practice however.

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  50. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    It never ceases to amaze me that such fools can be elected to parliament. Although Davie half man Garret did good work while he was there, in his blog comments since then he has done so much to make me wonder how stupid the rest of our politicians must be.

    Nowhere did I say that the govt should shut TV3 down you fool, (although PG may have said it, but he’s often found lying about what other people have said) and as an advocate of small powerful govt why would I ever suggest it? The fact is Davey your just projecting from the shallows of your own barren of imagination mind.

    All the govt needs to do is allow free market principles to apply, and the struggling money losing debt ridden circus that is TV3 would be gone tomorrow. While they are propped up by govt subsidized programming and govt paid for public good advertising they will continue to hang on by their fingernails.

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  51. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    The myths and lies that Obama Records are sealed by Court order etc order never to be open to any form of public scrutiny are covered in depth here,

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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  52. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “Campbell is left wing and Hosking is right wing and having that contrast gives our media more depth.”

    FFS..!!

    A denizen of the Cuba of the South Pacific speaks out.

    Campbell & Hosking talk about things from a political perspective that ranges from extreme left to far left. if you ever managed to scrape up a clue, you would know that you’re only ever seeing about 20% of the full political spectrum. There’s a whole 80% to the right that neither you nor Mike Hosking knows about.

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  53. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    Stephie, sealed by court order is clearly wrong, but in practice sealed by law (because it is a 1974 law that allows Obama to gatekeep his records) is close. As I noted above, G W Bush didn’t voluntarily release his scholastic records either but they were deliberately leaked in 1999 (appearing, I think, in that bastion of Liberalism, the NewYorker) so we do know that he was a reasonable B+ student during his MBA.

    I do think that Factcheck gets rather carried away. In practice, the records are completely unavailable, and obviously more closely guarded than G W Bush’s were.

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  54. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Corrected version of above paragraph

    Nowhere did I say that the govt should shut TV3 down you fool, (although PG may have said it, but he’s often found lying about what other people have said) and as an advocate of small non-powerful govt why would I ever suggest it? The fact is Davey you’re just projecting from the shallows of your own barren of imagination mind.

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  55. G152 (159 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,353 comments) says:
    May 22nd, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Is this programme in danger of being renamed Campbell Lies?

    I prefer tp think of it as Campbell lame

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  56. G152 (159 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,353 comments) says:
    May 22nd, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Is this programme in danger of being renamed Campbell Lies?
    I prefer to think of it as Campbell Lame

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  57. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Ed Snack (1,615 comments) says:
    May 22nd, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    Obama’s biography didn’t say he was born in Kenya, but his Literary Agent’s (Dystel & Goderich) website listed Kenya as his birthplace for some 16 years until 2007.

    Yes, and I hear the moon landings were faked. What distinguishes your post, from Redbaiter’s unsubstantiated claims? It all sounds convenient, but there are no links to quality sources. I suspect that’s because all you could link to, if you were to, would be the conspiracy theorist web sites you’re parroting it from.

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  58. OneTrack (2,624 comments) says:

    itstricky – “If Campbell starts harassing Cunliffe will you ring Mazda and …..”

    I am just upset that Campbell has sold out to “Big Oil” and is taking money from the Big Overseas Companies, selling products which are causing the world to melt.

    He should refuse their sponsership and start advertising bicycle manufacturers or mung bean plantations or Green jobs. Metiria may need to have a word to him at the next Green Party meeting.

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  59. OneTrack (2,624 comments) says:

    Pete – “I don’t think shutting down media and shutting up journalists ”

    What about asking partisan propaganda companies to pay the licence fees they still owe?

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  60. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Ed Snack your totally wrong. The claim was that his record was under seal by court order which is blatantly untrue. Meanwhile the unhinged Rush Lindburgh tried to question and smear Obama’a Harvard’s academic credentials, The link below asked directly Harvard University about this and confirmed his academic record including recollections and further confirmation by the Harvard Law School teaching staff.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/02/1116174/-Limbaugh-Falsely-Smears-Obama-s-Harvard-Record#

    But I don’t anything would convince Birthers who are always moving the goal posts either changing or demanding an ever higher and higher standard of proof.
    Certainly the demands for proof made on Obama would not be be made on a white equivalent as Ted Crunz amply shows.
    Birthers in my view are dishonest and morally bankrupt.

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  61. OneTrack (2,624 comments) says:

    Yoza – “Key could always go on Campbell Live to explain the glaring inconsistencies that exist between the official narrative and the timeline of events presented by Campbell.”

    Key should only deal with real journalistics and news companies, not the media branch of the Green Party.

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  62. Manolo (13,399 comments) says:

    Do not watch his crap program. I insist: do not give the creep Campbell any oxygen.

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  63. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “Key should only deal with real journalistics” (sic)

    Where’s he going to find them? The craft of journalism has been corrupted right to its core, and it starts in universities controlled by Marxist Leninist academics and journalism courses run by the same. Almost all recent graduates are just lame stooges and useful idiots for Marxism.

    You can find the odd good old school journalist around, but they’re almost as difficult to locate as rocking horse shit.

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  64. Ashley Schaeffer (413 comments) says:

    As far as Campbell Lies is concerned, Key’s phone should be off the hook from this point on. John Campbell has embarrassed himself and destroyed what little credibility he had remaining from Corngate.

    “Sanctimonious little creep” – Klark wasn’t always wrong.

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  65. itstricky (1,580 comments) says:

    It’s funny how the Prime Minister has a staff that keep a diary recording his meetings and who attended, while a schoolboy in the late 60s/early 70′s doesn’t write down the name of every relative of their friends.

    It may have been 30+ years ago but their parents were friends and he knew his brother. I find it vvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hard to believe that he “couldn’t recall”

    That’s almost as bad as Banks denying meeting a large, boisterous, well known, helicopter flying German fellow. You just don’t miss it. And you don’t forget about it.

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  66. itstricky (1,580 comments) says:

    while a schoolboy in the late 60s/early 70′s doesn’t write down the name of every relative of their friends.

    Incidentally, how many of you defended Cunliffe’s medal mix up with the same thing? Oh, but, Cunny, it was 70 years ago Cunny, no wonder you forgot…

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  67. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    Stephieboy, get off your high horse and stop being a denier. It isn’t controversial that Obama’s literary agent hosted an entry on him claiming he was born in Kenya, it is readily available to find (see link below). It would be controversial to claim that such an entry is authoritative and true. It was put there for some reason, possibly at Obama’s prompting, possibly not, maybe to make him look more “exotic” in a promotional sense; we’ll probably never really know why and it isn’t terribly important.

    Try this link from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

    Note that I have mis-listed his literary agents, Snopes has them as Acton & Dystel, though it appears that A&D became D&G in 1994. They give a scanned copy of the 1991 published booklet, and the same info was on their (by then D&G) website. Snopes (hardly a hangout for birthers) rates it as true. Apology please….

    I was pointing this out as a source of Redbaiter’s original statement about Obama’s birthplace. There is “evidence” out there as to Obama being born in Kenya, it’s just not terribly convincing compared to what I state above as the evidence for his birth in Hawaii. (And that’s studied understatement, BTW).

    I also agree that to say that the documents are sealed by court order is wrong, but they are “sealed” by the law. The factcheck site agrees with what I am saying, under the “Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974″ Obama’s specific written permission is required to release any of the records and he has not given such permission. Therefore although “sealed by court order” is incorrect, it does approximate to legally sealed unless permission granted.

    And quoting “Daily Kos” isn’t proof of anything except gullibility. That’s the equivalent of quoting a KKK fact sheet on racism.

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  68. stephieboy (2,202 comments) says:

    Ed Snack, you obviously did not read the complete article,’

    “Is this booklet evidence that Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya? Not even the site that published it makes that claim, noting in a disclaimer that:
    Andrew Breitbart was never a “Birther,” and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of “Birtherism.” In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.

    … [W]e discovered, and now present, the booklet described below — one that includes a marketing pitch for a forthcoming book by a then-young, otherwise unknown former president of the Harvard Law Review.

    It is evidence — not of the President’s foreign origin, but that Barack Obama’s public persona has perhaps been presented differently at different times.
    The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself:
    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    “You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”
    A New York Times article about Barack Obama published in 1990, a year before the Acton & Dystel promotional booklet was issued, identified his birthplace as Hawaii. ”

    Last updated: 10 August 2012
    Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp#PtUb4yHkkEPdxEBK.99

    and the NY Times 1990 article,

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

    Fail but do not let that stop you from acting as yet anpther research assistant for Campbell Live for their forthcoming Birther investigation.

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  69. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “And quoting “Daily Kos” isn’t proof of anything except gullibility. That’s the equivalent of quoting a KKK fact sheet on racism.”

    This is why I say there is no need to respond when these trolls demand “substantiation”.

    1. In this case the information is well known. If they can’t keep up it is their ignorance at fault and I’m not going to jump through their damn hoops like they so arrogantly think I should in order to compensate for their outrageous unawareness.

    2. This unawareness is a result of their limited and dysfunctional mainstream media information sources. As Reagan said about Progs, its not that they don’t know so much, its more that they know so much that is wrong.

    3. Once any information comes upon them that awakens them to their shortcomings, they invariably race off and Google on the subject. You can see the long delays before they respond.

    4. Also invariably they come back with the half baked items that are at the top of any search and that we’ve all read yonks before. Its fresh to them though, so they post it here and expect further response. When we’ve been through it all a hundred times.

    5. Fuck em anyway. Who cares what they think. I don’t want them on my side. Let them think what they like. The only time I might help them out is when their basket case house of cards called socialism collapses in a screaming economic heap and they’re asking for food from the gutter they’ve ended up in.

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  70. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Where’s Davey Half Man Garret gone anyway? Issues a big swinging dick challenge and then disappears like a rat down a sewer pipe.

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  71. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Red you were completely wrong about Obama writing in his book he was born in Kenya. His records being ‘sealed’ is under a law granted to every college record – namely the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974. Nothing special about that.

    You ain’t got nothing.

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  72. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “Nothing special about that.”

    This from the clowns who demanded George Bush reveal every damn aspect of his past right down to when he was on leave from the Armed services and his dental records.

    Suddenly when there’s something real important to find out and its “a law granted to every college record” , there’s “nuttin special ’bout dat”.

    Morons.

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  73. All_on_Red (1,394 comments) says:

    I really don’t care where Barry O was born . It doesn’t change the fact that he is completely incompetent and was only re elected because blacks in America are racist.

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  74. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    What is there really important to find out? What do you think Obama’s academic record will tell you?

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  75. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    ‘Almost all recent graduates are just lame stooges and useful idiots for Marxism.’
    I’m guessing Reddy never graduated.

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  76. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “I really don’t care where Barry O was born”

    Nobody expects foreigners or those otherwise unschooled in the matters of a Constitutional Republic to care.

    However Americans who are grateful that they live in that Constitutional Republic and not the mire of a socialist democracy know that it is important that their leader is capable of the utmost loyalty to the Republic.

    That Obama has so frequently and casually betrayed the US on the world stage has emphasized just how important the Natural Born Citizen clause in the Constitution really is.

    As a citizen of Kenya and or Malaysia, Obama should never ever have been signed off on by Nancy Pelosi as eligible for the Presidency. That she surreptitiously altered the wording of the standard certification document shows she was most likely aware of this when she “certified” him.

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  77. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    TheContrarian
    The academic record is of no importance in itself. The birthers and their ilk just ‘know’ that there’s something funny, or even foreign, about Obama. Very few of them will come out and say flatly that it’s wrong to have a black president, so they keep searching for some evidence that he is somehow ‘not right’. All but the most deranged birthers now accept that Obama was born in Hawaii, so the focus goes on his college years, or his time in Chicago, or anything else that comes to mind. Eventually, these people believe, something will come out to prove that Obama is not a real American.
    It’s a charming little psychosis.

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  78. David Garrett (6,463 comments) says:

    Russell: Your memory is going badly….along with your deductive faculties..

    Your 11.56 reads – with unnecessary words removed, and clearly marked [ ] additions to make sense of your rant-: “…if the National Party had any damn balls he [ i.e John Campbell] would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago. THEY [presumably the National Party] WONT FIGHT”

    How pray, other than the government shutting it down, are you suggesting the “crappy TV station” would be “gone” ??

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  79. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Sorry, not Malaysia, Indonesia.

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  80. All_on_Red (1,394 comments) says:

    Patronising much Red?
    Obama is going to be nailed on other issues so it’s pointless quibbling over where he was born . And yes I do understand why it could matter.

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  81. David Garrett (6,463 comments) says:

    Oh and Russell, if you think any of the words [in brackets] make what you said at 11.56 somehow misleading, please tell us how…

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  82. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “How pray, other than the government shutting it down, are you suggesting the “crappy TV station” would be “gone” ??”

    Are you blind as well as stupid?

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  83. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “Obama is going to be nailed on other issues so it’s pointless quibbling over where he was born .”

    Yes, I know that’s what all the Progs say (pointless quibbling) but that doesn’t make it right. The same chattering classes once all cheered for Hitler and Mussolini.

    I’ve said above why where he was born is important, as its a key factor in any charge of treason, and that’s leaving aside the probable crime of forgery. Are you suggesting that because he’s POTUS he should be excused these crimes? if so, bit unfair for old Tricky Dicky wasn’t it? If the politically corrupt media wasn’t protecting this crook he would be behind bars by now.

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  84. David Garrett (6,463 comments) says:

    Yes, I labour under a number of handicaps Russell…so please be patient and explain how the National Party can make TV 3 “gone” without shutting it down…If you can’t, you run the risk of being thought of as a geriatric blow-arse…

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  85. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Reddy must be one of the last full on birthers still trotting out this nonsense…

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  86. Ed Snack (1,739 comments) says:

    Stephieboy, reading comprehension FAIL.

    I’m not claiming anything you are attributing to me ! My point is simple, there exists material that was legitimately published which claims that Obama was born in Kenya (citation included), and that was the basis for various claims such as made by Redbaiter above. It’s not controversial, it is not proof that Obama was born in Kenya, it is possibly a mistake as cited based on his father’s nationality, or whatever. It isn’t itself important; I was simply illustrating where claims like this arose and pointing out that Red’s statements are not complete confabulations, as provably wrong as they are.

    I’ve never been a birther, but I did follow the process with some academic interest as it was an interesting little side affair. There was always an absolutely simple way to scotch the whole birtherism process (started as noted above by the Clinton campaign) and that was to release a certified copy of the original long form certificate, and that’s what was effectively done in 2012. You see it was demonstrated that in the right circumstances in 1961 that it was possible to get a valid Hawaii birth certificate for a child NOT born in Hawaii. A certificate could be granted on the testimony of the child’s parents (or guardians) that the said child was born outside the hospital system and the birth was not attended by a medical professional. So it was unlikely but actually possible that the short form certificate available since 2008 was valid but Obama was born outside the USA. The critical point about the long form was that it listed how the birth was registered, if at a hospital it could not have been a self-certified birth; case closed. And indeed that’s what the 2012 release showed.

    So why did Obama wait so long to release the long form ? I think it was tactical, his campaign found it quite effective to let certain anti-Obama elements flail away at something that in the end could not hurt their man and as a bargain it enabled those elements to be portrayed as raving lunatics (and let’s be honest, some of them are distinctly swivel eyed). So, string them along, give them little titbits, I could even see them making scanned copies of the real birth certificates just so they’d look vaguely dodgy to those determined to find something. In the end, possibly quite a clever bit of work, if it was planned. But then the one thing about Obama that isn’t tainted by utter incompetence is his campaigning skills, the man (and/or his team) are A1 hotshots at that.

    So, actually, I think I’d be pretty good as a researcher into a program on birtherism. Unlike you I do my homework and find out all the facts on a case, not just those that support my biases. But I don’t think any program that I consulted on would come to any conclusion other than that Obama was born in Hawaii as claimed, and that he is qualified under the constitution to hold the office of POTUS.

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  87. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Mr Garret, if you are seriously saying you cannot locate the explanation you are seeking (which I wrote some time ago on this thread) then it demonstrates such a paucity of intelligence I seriously doubt anything I say could be of any further assistance.

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  88. David Garrett (6,463 comments) says:

    Well, Some have said I am a bit slow Red….so please direct me to some comment of yours made subsequent to 11.56 today (the piece I quoted with a couple of [additions for clarity] and now, which explains HOW the National Party could make TV 3 “gone” without shutting it down…

    I promise to try my best to follow you…please be kind…

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  89. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    I’ve not got the time to do something you should be (providing you are fully compos mentis) quite capable of doing yourself Dave. Why don’t you get that full sized man you’ve got working for you to do it? Maybe he’s got the brains you lack.

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  90. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Reddy’s just reverting to his standard abuse to get out of this hole, David.

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  91. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “But I don’t think any program that I consulted on would come to any conclusion other than that Obama was born in Hawaii as claimed, and that he is qualified under the constitution to hold the office of POTUS.”

    Well, you would be at serious loggerheads with Sherrif Joe and his investigation then.

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  92. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Being at loggerhead with ‘Sheriff Joe’ just indicates that one has a modicum of common sense.

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  93. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    So you’re as strangely handicapped in this matter as Mr. Garret is Milky?

    Ah well, birds of a feather.

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  94. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    You’re a broken arsed shadow of your former self Baity.

    Mind you logic wasn’t your forte back then either. :)

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  95. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Reddy’s original claim was ‘if the National Party had any damn balls, he would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago’. He later clarified that to mean that if TV3 didn’t qualify for some taxpayer-subsidised programming they would have disappeared. Still pure bullshit.

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  96. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    From Baity’s much lauded US Constitution, the first amendment:

    ….”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”…..

    From Baity’s disorganised ramblings on KB 22 May 2014

    ….”‘if the National Party had any damn balls, he would have been gone along with his crappy TV station some decades ago”……

    The disconnect is unreal. :)

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  97. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Poor old Prog Narsekissa, still suffering the same old vainglorious narcissism and thinking his opinion of Redbaiter is important enough to post off topic and on line. Everyone is so interested I am sure. I know I am.

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  98. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    “The disconnect is unreal.”

    The trolling isn’t.

    Same old same old desperate cries for attention from the same old same old narcissistic spoilt brat.

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  99. stigie (916 comments) says:

    God, we have missed you Reddy !~

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  100. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Here’s what I would do if God Help Me I was ever leading that useless band of Progs masquerading as the National Party today. Apart from cutting expenditure to the bone and sacking most public servants, thereby forcing them to get real jobs, I would also as part of that completely cut all funding to NZ on Air and all govt advertising on television and radio stations.

    This would not only save the taxpayers billions, it would also spare the country the propaganda that spews daily from the group of progs that are NZ’s MSM and hopefully put not only TV3 out of business, teetering on the edge of liquidity as I believe they are today, but also their partner in crime TV One.

    Three birds with one stone. More money in the workers pocket. Less parasites writing useless legislation, (I know that will hurt you Narsekissa) and two stinking propaganda networks no longer fouling the democratic process.

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  101. Redbaiter (7,643 comments) says:

    Where’s swinging dick Dave? Tells me he made it to AD, but I don’t think myself he ever got past leasehand. (That’s teagirl in greenhand language.)

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  102. nasska (10,696 comments) says:

    After you’ve put the newspaper editors into re education camps & banned public meetings of more than six people you should have NZ pretty much under control Baity.

    It has been tried before & failed but never under Religio/conservawhack leadership. :)

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  103. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “That Obama has so frequently and casually betrayed the US on the world stage has emphasized just how important the Natural Born Citizen clause in the Constitution really is.”

    I guess that means you’ll stop stumping for Ted Cruz then

    “As a citizen of Kenya and or Malaysia, Obama should never ever have been signed off on by Nancy Pelosi as eligible for the Presidency. That she surreptitiously altered the wording of the standard certification document shows she was most likely aware of this when she “certified” him.”

    What wording did she change?

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  104. kowtow (7,653 comments) says:

    Campbell has turned his hand to being an international rugby union fixtures expert .

    The prick is now telling the NZRFU to play in Samoa.In the name of fairness of all things.

    Is there anything he can’t do?

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  105. hubbers (224 comments) says:

    Reminds me of this excellent piss-take of gutter journalism on the Simpsons.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d51_1343322862

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  106. Than (425 comments) says:

    I find it vvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hard to believe that he “couldn’t recall”

    I don’t. Are you honestly claiming you can name all the siblings of every friend you ever had through primary and secondary school? I certainly couldn’t. A couple of my best friends, absolutely, a few of their siblings I still even keep in touch with. But the majority of the friends I played with I only vaguely remember them, let alone their relatives.

    Regarding Cunliffe’s medal mixup, I completely agree it is in the same catagory of things people probably wouldn’t remember. But Cunliffe was the one who brought his ancestry up – if he’s going to do that the onus is on him to either remember or confirm the details.

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  107. itstricky (1,580 comments) says:

    I don’t. Are you honestly claiming you can name all the siblings of every friend you ever had through primary and secondary school?

    No. I am claiming that I know the names of all of the children of parents of whom my parents were friends. *Particularly* when I went to school with them. In fact I still see most of them, and their parents, occasionally. He was friends with his brother *and* their parents were friends.

    Cunny – yep he stuffed up, but I doubt that one thing proves he is a liar. I wanted to remind the readership the name calling that presided the last “I don’t recall” politician fumble.

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  108. Than (425 comments) says:

    You regard parents being friends as a far closer bond than I do. Of my parents friends there is one couple whose children I remember and keep in touch with. The rest are just strangers in the crowd.

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  109. itstricky (1,580 comments) says:

    Did you go to school with any of their offspring? If you did, do you think you would remember them any better than any of the other crowd?

    Must go real life calls

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  110. MH (635 comments) says:

    How come so few of you know that Key found the birth certificate at his family bach in Hawaii back in 2000 whilst removing gib board searching for bugs on advice of the GSCB and has played the president ever since, hence his golfing access etc. Not only is Obama,like Sammy Davis, Jewish but he was born in Keyehna a virtual state of America run by Mona Dotcom as part of her forthcoming divorce settlement.

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