General Debate 10 May 2014

May 10th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Steve (North Shore) (4,592 comments) says:

    Righto, into it (work I mean)

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  2. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    The next Canada? Rich mainland Chinese push New Zealand migration to 11-year high

    China is top immigration source for southern nation, with half of all newcomers using investor scheme, some paying up to HK$53m

    An influx of deep-pocketed mainland Chinese has helped New Zealand reach its highest intake of immigrants in more than 10 years, official data shows.

    New Zealand’s net migration surged to an 11-year high of 31,900 in the year to March, as 98,000 immigrants arrived and 66,100 left the country. It was the second-highest net gain yet.

    China was the nation’s biggest source of long-term arrivals at 6,200, followed by 6,100 from India and 5,800 from Britain over the same period. Ming Tiang, head of Chiwi Immigration Services in Auckland, said that half of all Chinese immigrants to the country arrived through the investor scheme. The rest were parents whose children studied there.

    The top draw for Chinese families was the “beautiful environment, good weather and living standard”, he said.

    ..

    Auckland, the largest city in New Zealand. Mainland investors made up about half of all Chinese gaining residency last year. …

    An influx of deep-pocketed mainland Chinese has helped New Zealand reach its highest intake of immigrants in more than 10 years, official data shows.

    New Zealand’s net migration surged to an 11-year high of 31,900 in the year to March, as 98,000 immigrants arrived and 66,100 left the country. It was the second-highest net gain yet.

    China was the nation’s biggest source of long-term arrivals at 6,200, followed by 6,100 from India and 5,800 from Britain over the same period. Ming Tiang, head of Chiwi Immigration Services in Auckland, said that half of all Chinese immigrants to the country arrived through the investor scheme. The rest were parents whose children studied there.

    The top draw for Chinese families was the “beautiful environment, good weather and living standard”, he said.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping (right) and New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key meet in Beijing last month. Key has encouraged Chinese to invest in hotels and manufacturing rather than purchasing land. Photo: EPA

    New Zealand has been wooing wealthy Chinese after Canada, a top destination, restricted its immigrant visa scheme after it was overloaded by mainlanders seeking citizenship. New Zealand Prime Minister John Key recently said he wanted mainland and Hong Kong investors to spend money not on land, but on fixed assets, manufacturing or real estate projects like hotels.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1495757/next-canada-rich-mainland-chinese-push-new-zealand-migration-11-year-high
    A Filipino businessman told me he had been approached by the NZ government but he couldn’t see anything to invest in. Seems agriculture, infrastructure, property development, forestry, fishing are the only games in town? [read comments]

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  3. Odakyu-sen (755 comments) says:

    From the Herald: “The grinning appearance of the Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau in a video released early this week where he threatened to sell the 230 or more girls still in captivity into sex slavery arguably focused minds on the Islamist group in a way that previous atrocities had failed to do.”

    This is a major PR disaster for “the Islamist group” but no doubt has a lot of people (including this reader) wondering why the group would do such a thing in the first place. It’s a bit of a mystery.

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  4. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Get a life Steve
    One that uses all the toys all that work pays for.
    Go fishing for the day :wink: good time for big fat snapper.

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Russel Norman seems to be implying that the Greens have given up being MP’s, and are now in the business of breaking stories. If that’s the case, maybe they need to give up their taxpayer-funded salaries, taxpayer-funded travel and perks and taxpayer-funded support staff and go and work in the Press Gallery.

    Today’s breathless expose is nothing more than a Green beat-up, motivated by a combination of the politics of envy (ask yourself; who’d pay $3500 to dine with Russel or Metiria?) and a desire to force taxpayer funding of political parties on us. That’s what we’ll get under a Labour-Green government, and that’s what all this fuss is really about.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/are-greens-media-now.html

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  6. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    @ Odakyu-sen

    all the opinions expressed (that I have heard ) have come from the west. What is the Muslim reaction?

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  7. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    One of the biggest obstacles for Chinese investors was how to get money out of the mainland given strict rules on capital outflows, Lum said. “Previously, applicants would contact friends and relatives to help,” he said.

    Lum cited a new Bank of China service that allowed citizens to transfer more than the annual limit of 50,000 yuan (HK$62,700). Under one option, clients can transfer between 2 million yuan and 10 million yuan, Lum said. Under another, the amounts are from HK$2.4 million to HK$50 million. The bank does some vetting to ensure the money was legally earned.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1495757/next-canada-rich-mainland-chinese-push-new-zealand-migration-11-year-high
    could explain Kiwis from the Orient out bidding A and P Show/ Wheet -bix with whole milk popular with everyone, Kiwis?

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  8. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    Interesting, that for two years Hillary Clinton refused to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist group, despite pleas from many agencies.

    Boko Haram, the Islamic terrorist organization in Nigeria, is in the news because it kidnapped more than 200 teenage girls and now threatens to sell them into slavery. (That’s what a real war on women looks like.) This is just the latest of many outrages committed by Boko Haram, which is guilty of many acts of mass murder. But it has now come out that for two years, Hillary Clinton blocked efforts to add Boko Haram to the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations.

    This wasn’t just an episode of bureaucratic indifference. The Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA and many in Congress lobbied the State Department to list Boko Haram, but Clinton stood firm in defense of the Nigerian terrorists. Now, with the kidnapping outrage in the news, Hillary is tweeting away on behalf of the Nigerian girls. (THAT will do a lot of good!) But where was she in 2011 and 2012?

    Risch and seven other GOP senators introduced legislation in early 2013 that would have forced Clinton to designate the group or explain why she thought it was a bad idea. The State Department lobbied against the legislation at the time, according to internal State Department emails obtained by The Daily Beast.

    In the House, leading intelligence-minded lawmakers wrote letter after letter to Clinton urging her to designate Boko Haram as terrorists. The effort in the House was led by then-Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King and Patrick Meehan, chairman of the Subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence.

    Meehan and his Democratic counterpart Jackie Speier put out a lengthy report in 2011 laying out the evidentiary basis for naming Boko Haram a terrorist organization, including the group’s ties to al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and to Somalia’s al-Shabab terrorist organization.

    But Hillary Clinton was unmoved.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/05/why-did-hillary-clinton-defend-boko-haram.php

    Now, it turns out, that Leftie advocacy group moveon.org petitioned her not to designate them as terrorists, in an online petition.

    http://weaselzippers.us/185490-flashback-moveon-org-petitions-hillary-clinton-not-to-declare-boko-haram-a-terrorist-organization/

    Very smart, lefties…

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  9. Odakyu-sen (755 comments) says:

    “Rich mainland Chinese push New Zealand migration to 11-year high”

    No problem. NZers are expendable. If they can’t afford to have children, the State will replace them with immigrants. NZ will have its 6 million people, and economic growth will be delivered. Where are the downsides? Growth just keeps on going.

    (Looks at Japan…) … Prices are not rising much. A can of soda from a vending machine cost 100 yen in 1994, and now the same product is only 110-120 yen (mostly due to the imposition of 8% GST). Rural land prices are falling as the country towns age. The Japanese population is aging and slowly falling. How different it is to NZ.

    Here’s another thought experiment. Imagine that from the 1990s, NZ had the same immigration policy as Japan. What would Auckland be like today? What would be better? What would be worse. What would employment be like? What would house prices be like?

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  10. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    A U.S Iraq war veteran, and a triple amputee, pens an open letter to Obama that has gone viral (as they say).

    My Open Letter to Obama.
    I nearly died in a war that you and most of your colleagues supported overwhelmingly, including the two presidents who came before you. Many citizens may not agree with waging war in Iraq to free the oppressed Iraqi citizens, but it’s something that warriors like myself have zero control over. I joined to serve my country and to better my life. I’ve seen things that you could never imagine, and they have made me the person I am today.

    Mr. Obama, even though we share extreme opposite views, we have one thing in common, we both attended school in Hawaii. However, that’s where the similarities end. You see, as you attended your exclusive, private school, I would ride my bike to Kaimuki High school in one of the roughest areas in Hawaii every morning and would ride past Punahou, the exclusive private school you attended. I would notice the Bentleys, Maserati’s, and fancy foreign cars that all the kids were dropped off in; wow it must have been extremely rough in Hawaii living that life, right? I could only imagine what it was like to have that kind of money. Fortunately for you, not many people are aware of the school and the upper class citizens who attended it. The tuition to attend your exclusive, private school was more than it cost me to obtain a Bachelor’s degree in Architecture from the University of Arizona. You talk a big game when it comes to financial inequality, yet I’m quite sure you have no idea what it’s truly like to have sacrifice. You were one of the elitist children in Hawaii.

    After High School, we each chose very different paths. You were able to attend Ivy League schools, and I sought out a military career to in hopes of earning a degree. What we have in life as children usually sets the tone for what we will face later in life that will make us successful. I worked to get where I am today, and YOU WERE HANDED IT….Mr. Inequality.

    I volunteered to go to Iraq on both of my deployments, and the second time I begged to go even after I wasn’t selected, which ultimately got me placed on the team where I would lose both legs and my dominant arm. I’ve never asked myself was losing 3 limbs in a war worth it, even though many Americans were against it.

    I am frequently reminded of the many young Iraqi children who would beg me for water, food, and toys while I was stationed in Iraq. Children, who in all aspects made the poorest of poor American children look rich. You have no idea what it really means to be poor. It’s laughable that you, who would have no idea what it means to be poor would so frequently play the inequality card.

    While I was in Iraq, our mission was to liberate the Iraqi citizens from a tyrant and that’s what we did. Never forget, it was your people who sent us there, like the Clintons, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi & Carl Levin. However, since the day you busted onto the scene you’ve been talking about ending the war and pulling the troops out, not understanding the blood sweat and tears that so many Americans and Iraqi’sinvested. And with complete disregard for every life sacrificed, every limb lost, and every broken family, you bailed on our mission to pursue an agenda that was completely centered on your re-election in 2012. If you didn’t bail on Iraq you were worried that you may not get re-elected and that’s a fact. Just before elections on Oct 11, 2012 you said “Al Qaeda is on the run and Osama bin Laden is dead.” Look at Iraq now, they are in shambles and the Al Qaeda flag is flying freely. Clearly, you’re unfit for duty as a Commander in Chief. You put your own agenda ahead of America’s agenda, and now you have single handedly ruined and destroyed nearly everything we gained in Iraq. It clearly means nothing to you, because the only thing that you’ve personally invested in that country was a promise to bail on them. However, people like me gave limbs, friends have died, and we’ve watched families destroyed by war’s aftermath.

    I’m not placing blame on you for the war, I’m placing blame on you for destroying what we’ve worked so hard to build. You’re not a leader, you’re a community organizer. A leader would have stood up regardless of the situation and put America’s agenda first and that is ensuring a secure Iraq even after 10 years of war. But, you placed Barack first, just as Robert Gates confirmed in his new book. I can’thelp but think of those poor kids who I gave water and toys to 11 years ago. They’re probably 15 or 16 years old now, and I can only imagine what it’s like for them to have their nation being torn apart yet again; all because of your poor leadership qualities. Regardless of why we went to Iraq, its water under the bridge. We went there, we waged war, and we not only owed it to our KIA’s but we owed it to the citizens of Iraq. We invaded their country and turned it upside down, and you bailed on them. You bailed on our soldiers and you’ve wasted every death and every limb, it’s all for nothing. And to make matters worse you blame others for your failures.

    You’re just another elitist rich thug who’s pretended to live the rough life growing up in the inner-city. You’re only worried about your own agenda and furthering your party instead of taking care of Americans. Your inability to be a leader at some of the most critical points has caused both of our wars to fail. You’ve been a joke to most of our veteran community and we have no faith in your ability to lead.

    Senior Airman Ret Brian Kolfage USAF

    “The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.” — Lou Holtz

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  11. duggledog (1,589 comments) says:

    KS –

    I’d pay $3,500 to NOT have dinner with Metiria or Norman. I spent enough time in the evenings tolerating idiotic university student greeny weirdo dreamers with no real life experience when I was in my late teens early twenties.

    They never brought any booze to any dinners that I can recall, however they all helped themselves to what others had brought along…

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  12. freemark (618 comments) says:

    Maybe someone should be asking Norman how much taxpayer funding for organisations such as PGF goes into the Green coffers. How much access to Norman et al did Mills get for his big donation? I’ve recently heard snippets of info on FB etc from pleasant enough yet somewhat deluded friends about the “New Paradigm”. What they don’t seem to get is that it is just the failed old Socialist/Communist Paradigm dressed up with some Greens. Apparently they are all being promised some rewards if they successfully spread the bullshit – no doubt the rewards will be taxpayer funded.

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  13. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    I can relate to that duggledog; they either came empty-handed, or brought a bottle of Marque Vue and drank two bottle of pinot noir!

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  14. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    ‘brought a bottle of Marque Vue and drank two bottle of pinot noir!’
    Bonus points for putting Marque Vue and pinot noir in the same sentence!

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  15. duggledog (1,589 comments) says:

    Marque Spew, (C)hardon, Rheineck, Joseph Khutze, and Miami wine coolers for the classier ladies. Blenheimer in a cardboard box

    The horrors of the 1980s. What were we thinking?

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  16. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    John Key recently said he wanted mainland and Hong Kong investors to spend money not on land, but on fixed assets, manufacturing or real estate projects like hotels.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1495757/next-canada-rich-mainland-chinese-push-new-zealand-migration-11-year-high
    ……..
    If you’ve made your money why would you bother? Anyway surely if you’re a Chinese property investor, immigration will underpin your investment (so support National) and when we/he/she sells “fixed assets” it will free up capital for what (entrepreneurship will pull a rabbit out of a hat)?

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  17. Steve (North Shore) (4,592 comments) says:

    griffith (909 comments) says:

    May 10th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Get a life Steve
    One that uses all the toys all that work pays for.
    Go fishing for the day :wink: good time for big fat snapper.
    ————————————————
    Fishing tomorrow griff – the tide is better. Quite a bit happening off the end of Meola reef

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  18. alloytoo (575 comments) says:

    Duggledog & KS

    I note with amusement that I know more than one Metalhead who grew up to become a Game ranger, contributing far more in their careers to the health of our planet than the average green party MP.

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  19. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,754 comments) says:

    Victory Parade in Crimea’s Sevastopol 2014

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  20. minus (223 comments) says:

    … moves to force taxpayer funding of political parties on us.

    Like Labour’s so-called American-style leadership “primary”? –
three “candidates” running around the country spouting spontaneous bribes, devoid of real Labour policy proposed and agreed at conferences, and not having any commonality in presentation to reveal actual leadership qualities between contenders.

    Was Parliament getting anything of worth for three weeks salaries, and an illegal secret loan, while Labour undertook this internal party matter outside Standing Orders?

    No ! They elected the wrong bloody candidate, didn’t they …. :-)

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  21. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Interesting article in the Herald about an Iman from Qatar that has been banned from a mosque in Avondale for teaching hate and intolerance and his supporters trying to stage a takeover.

    I’m all for immigration but apart from Kea who the hell thinks letting people like this into NZ is actually good for the country’s culture and harmony. Do we want to become like UK.

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  22. bc (1,377 comments) says:

    What’s going on, we are 1 hour into general debate and igm hasn’t had his daily rant about Newstalk ZB yet.
    Could it be that igm has found the off button, or (gasp) discovered that there are other radio stations?

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  23. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen (271 comments) says:
    Here’s another thought experiment. Imagine that from the 1990s, NZ had the same immigration policy as Japan. What would Auckland be like today? What would be better? What would be worse. What would employment be like? What would house prices be like?
    ………
    People like to present Japan’s population readjustment as a problem rather than a solution (eg BBC No Sex Please– We’re Japanese ).

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  24. minus (223 comments) says:

    Is the Internet Party registered yet?
    Is Annette Sykes going to announce a Mana/Internet Party alliance tomorrow?
    Can that be legally done until Internet is registered?
    What is the time span then to register Mana as an umbrella party?

    Dotcom says he will pay his candidates before their election, which may be illegal.
    Will Mana, as an umbrella party, pay their candidates before the election so people don’t make unfortunate ethnic/social comparisons with Internet candidates?

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  25. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock

    Developer Richard Burrell, who was one of those present, said he was “chuffed” to attend after the asking price dropped from $5000 to $3500, and because Parkin always put on entertaining events that were good fun.
    ….
    I bet there wasn’t any (gasp) xenophobia or racism!?

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  26. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Located at the centre of the Waitemata Harbour and adjacent to New Zealand’s largest city, Meola reef is subjected to a wide variety of anthropogenic impacts. The biological communities at Meola Reef therefore act as important indicators of ecosystem health,representative of the wider harbour as they integrate the effects of a range of anthropogenic activities operating over a much larger area. With initial deforestation followed by human population growth and development, the marine environment in the Waitemata Harbour has changed greatly (Dromgoole and Foster 1983). Large increases in fresh water runoff associated with land development have led to a decline in salinity and an increase in sedimentation and resulted in large-scale changes in the flora and fauna of the Waitemata Harbour (Hayward et al. 2006). Stormwater discharged into the harbour is often polluted with
    sewage and a variety of contaminants that can have a wide range of effects on marine organisms. However, with increased legislation (e.g. the Resource Management Act 1991) aimed at mitigating the effects of pollution and sedimentati on there is scope for an improvement in overall ecosystem health of the Harbour.

    Poo-RMA, Poo-RMA, poo-RMA??? Poo..?

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  27. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Steve (North Shore) (4,362 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    Righto, into it (work I mean)

    Good on you! Nice to see someone with a good work ethic around here – I used to have one of those – now I have a ‘any excuse not to work ethic’. Still not far from retiring so as long as you’re working hard and paying taxes, she’ll be right mate! ;-)

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  28. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Welcome to Christchurch. It’s your own stupid fault you’re trapped on the other side of the airport door of no return from your toddler.

    We’ve got a duty to defend the western world from Al Qaeda.

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  29. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ duggledog (1,148 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 8:32 am
    KS –

    I’d pay $3,500 to NOT have dinner with Metiria or Norman.

    You don’t have to pay anything, you simply ignore the invitation if invited. A bit like when someone invites you to play golf, its not compulsory to do it.

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  30. Steve (North Shore) (4,592 comments) says:

    Fish swim in their own shit as well hj

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ bc (1,277 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I was thinking similar thing about religion and global warming – not to mention 911 – don’t tell me the issues have been solved and they’ve reached an amiable conclusion?

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  32. lilman (968 comments) says:

    Also David ,Judith you cant have forgotten?

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (715 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Also David ,Judith you cant have forgotten?

    I try not to think of Cunnliffe or did you mean Shearer?

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  34. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    The Nation:
    Jamie Whyte: looks fresh out of the box (made in China), artificial, theoretical- belongs in a nursery, silver spoon in mouth, Louis 15th (with head on).
    Minto: I hate Minto (but not on this occasion). Dung is calling him racist :lol:
    Winston: Winston annoying Dunnes backers (fuming in the background)
    Ging: Ging earning the Greens high polling.
    Maori Party repeating b/s that we bring in migrants to replace Kiwis leaving (hasn’t read the forbidden text .

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  35. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Wow you guys are on fire this morning. Straight into the Chinese and of course the Muslims. Maybe we should adopt racial purity laws, based on fables, just like Israel does? That should keep the mud races out. We will just need to overlook the fact the Arabs and Chinese were developed cultures for centuries while Europeans were a bunch of lice infested illiterates :)

    But facts have never hampered your opinions, so why start now.

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  36. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This whole affair is around the fact that neither Labour nor Greens have the financial abilities to fund their election campaigns, their supporters being useless leeches who have never done a day’s work, nor run successful commercial ventures. They see the successful types that National are, being supported by those that want to see our economy stay in safe hands, hence donations, and support at dinners, teas, etc. As I said, this is merely a ploy to try and leech more off taxpayers to fund left-wing bludgers’ election campaigns, as they are too lazy and fiscally irresponsible to finance any of their activities. I for one, will continue to support both National and Act at any opportunity, but so far as those left-wing leeches are concerned, I owe them nothing, and will give them even less.

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  37. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Southern Raider, I guess down there in the cultural hotbed of Gore you have not gotten around to taking down the – NO DOGS OR CHINAMEN- signs from public bars and buildings.

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  38. jcuk (717 comments) says:

    Interesting video OECD.

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    But facts have never hampered your opinions, so why start now.

    Monkey see, monkey do – when our country’s politicians can’t be bothered with facts, why should the pleebs, let alone the bloggers, worry with facts.

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  40. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Judith, maybe I am being too harsh and my friends are right in believing what this country needs is more hate directed at people who are not like “us” in every single way. (By “us” I mean Maori, of course) :)

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  41. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Kea (11,287 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Wow you guys are on fire this morning. Straight into the Chinese and of course the Muslims.
    …..
    The yellow peril is only a peril if they come here Kea.
    My Greatgrandfather’s father was a goldminer on the west coast and my Grandfather used to say:
    “if all them Chinamen came here we could use guns but they could overcome us with frying pans”

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  42. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (11,288 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    I think its just a general love of promoting ‘hate’ – people are not happy (I blame the white flour and sugar – too much constipation in today’s society)

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  43. flipper (4,232 comments) says:

    Young in the Herald this morning has an interesting piece on Collins. It is interesting and informative mainly because it portrays the basis of a shift in perception both insider and outside of Auckland. The Auckland shift is important because it means she is losing the confidence and the influence of the movers and shakers in the Northern Region of the National Party. Let it be said at once that Collins’ star was always bright, nay brightest, in the Northern Region. That is/was her support base where she has relied on backing from the likes of Peter Goodfellow, Alistair Bell, Alan Towers and a few others to carry her through. To be fair, on some issues she has carried the torch and built her own support.

    All that is fine, but the cracks to which Young refers this morning did not start with Oravida. They started some 18 months ago when she attempted to subvert the report of former Canadian Supreme Court Justice, Ian Binnie. She persuaded her Cabinet colleagues, to support her, albeit reluctantly, to ignore the undertakings given previously by Simon Power and to accept the specious advice tendered by Crown Law and Police, both more concerned over their own flawed stances than the administration of justice.

    But outside of Auckland the cracks both deepened and widened when she declined action on Teina Pora’s case, even when it was obvious to someone with a Standard 4 education, as opposed to that of a tax lawyer, that with Police Association support the case should have been dealt with swiftly by a local independent inquiry, if not an immediate pardon. The fact that this will result in considerable tax payer costs , and Government ignominy when the Law Lords of the Privy Council demolish yet another shallow Crown case, did not appear to concern her in the slightest. On top of Bain/Binnie and Pore, there has been concern over the Watson case, and a public flogging of the Crown on Lundy. Collins hard line stance on those continues to appeal to some, but for the most part it has opened the gap, and created a crevasse, the like of which even DPF would have not seen in the Himalayas recently. :-)

    As previously reported here, her colleagues have been protecting her in “the interests of the party”. But her Caucus denunciation by a usually mild mannered Bill English reflected the real feelings of her colleagues. There is now no hope for Collins’ leadership aspirations. If the High Court even allows JR of her actions over Binnie/Bain she will be lucky to return to John Key’s ministry. .And that is a good thing for National and New Zealand.

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  44. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Kea (11,288 comments) says:
    By “us” I mean Maori, of course
    ….
    the old trick: divide Maori and Pakeha (extensively intermarried) and invade.

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  45. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    The yellow peril is only a peril if they come here Kea.
    My Greatgrandfather’s father was a goldminer on the west coast and my Grandfather used to say:
    “if all them Chinamen came here we could use guns but they could overcome us with frying pans”

    Kea, is speechless :)

    hj, is at least honest about his views, which is more than others here can say.

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  46. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hj, I have tried to breed-out the “Yellow Menace”, so I have done my bit. What have you done ? :)

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  47. rouppe (984 comments) says:

    David, do you know that you still can’t post comments from the mobile site? Clicking “log in” takes you to the full site and then you’re stuck there. Not so bad from a tablet, but hopeless from a phone.

    Do you have anyone looking at that?

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  48. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flipper (3,298 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Interesting flipper, and very true. I won’t pretend to be a supporter of John Key, but I think Collins is devaluing his leadership, and if he loses this election, I would prefer it to be because someone else was offering something better, than because Collins derailed him with her attempts to align herself as the ‘leader in waiting’.

    As you note, there is more than just her actions over Oravida to consider – the last two years have been dominated by her actions. I doubt we will hear about the JR before the election, but as you say, if it swings against Collins, causing further embarrassment to the govt, she should be gone from the cabinet, at least – and I suspect, without such high standing, she would resign from politics.

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  49. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Judith (5,947 comments) says:
    I think its just a general love of promoting ‘hate’ – people are not happy (I blame the white flour and sugar – too much constipation in today’s society
    ……..
    Professor Spoonley:

    Van Dijk (1993) has been influential, both in terms of the use of a particular methodology
    (content analysis) and the advocacy of a particular approach to the media’s role in
    influencing intergroup relations and imagery. In his use of content analysis, he has been
    concerned with both surface representation and underlying meanings (Mahtani,
    2001:109). For him, the media have constructed and reproduced racism (Van Dijk, 1993:
    279):

    …the media play a central role in the reproduction of racism both because
    of their relationship to other elite institutions and because of their
    structural influence in shaping and changing the social mind…large
    segments of the white public have little or no alternative information
    sources on ethnic affairs.

    This is best represented for Van Dijk in the emphasis on immigrants as a “problem” or
    “problems”, particularly in terms of the illegality of their presence, the “large” numbers

    4
    involved, fraud, and as demographic or cultural threats (Van Dijk,1993:248). In his
    approach, the media are a key agent in the reproduction of racism and in maintaining
    white hegemony (Van Dijk, 1993: 279).

    It [the media] has its own power domain in the power structure and
    actively contributes to the legitimacy of white group dominance. Its own
    hiring and promotion practices, its newsmaking routines, its choice of
    topics, quotation patterns, semantic and stylistic strategies are an inherent
    part of its autonomous, symbolic role in the ideological system of social
    reproduction.

    DEFINING IDENTITY AND CREATING CITIZENS :
    THE MEDIA AND IMMIGRANTS IN NEW ZEALAND

    Paul Spoonley
    “large numbers” (etc) is below the belt and it’s all about white hegemony.
    Fortunately media training has plenty of specialists in Critical White Studies and other froth.

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  50. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    This is a major PR disaster for “the Islamist group” but no doubt has a lot of people (including this reader) wondering why the group would do such a thing in the first place. It’s a bit of a mystery.

    You could ask the same of the motivations for 9/11.

    “Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber — a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms — our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.” ~ George W Bush.

    Sunni Muslims are pro democracy, and the Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion.

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ hj (5,784 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Perfectly true – the media defines ‘popular opinion’ and promotes certain mindsets which many adopt without question.

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  52. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hj, you may be surprised to learn I am not a fan of mass immigration and even more surprised to learn that many Asians living in NZ are not either.

    My view is we should have a good mix and that ALL immigrants should respect our cultural norms. If there is a cultural conflict, then they defer to the host country. In reality that seldom happens among normal people and most cultural clashes are contrived by agitators with other agendas. That is the situation in the UK with the Muslims.

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  53. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Judith, in reality most people tend to speak as they find when encountering other cultures in real life. I have seen people, who claim very racist views, get on perfectly well when encountering one of the demonised group and coming away reconsidering a few assumptions. If hj had a Chinese family move in next door I bet they would be getting on well in no time and probably be the best of mates.

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  54. wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:

    The Chinese people I’ve met here have all been pleasant, polite, law-abiding and hard-working. All individuals, rather than hj’s fantasy about robot pawns in some Fu Manchu plot to take over the world.

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  55. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Maybe Kea you should have stopped those dirty Jews from arriving in the early 19th century

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  56. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,526 comments) says:
    All individuals, rather than hj’s fantasy about robot pawns in some Fu Manchu plot to take over the world.
    ………
    There are only two types of population known to ecologists an “s” where prey increases followed by a predator “s” or a “j” where numbers increase followed by a crash. Regardless of what will happen to human population it is at this point in time following a “j” curve. China has 1.3 B people and there are a whole lot of other countries which are similarly (arguably) overpopulated. A Chinese politician called NZ “the last paradise” and that would be (I’m fairly sure) a reflection of our low population. China is developing, leading to a small percentage becoming wealthy but translating into significant numbers from NZ’s point of view. People arriving with income earned off shore can cause a flurry of economic activity but this is not necessarily good long term as we will likely finish up with a larger population, poorer people living in boxes and fewer fishing spots per person. A metaphor might be Queenstown where the wealth has increased dramatically and although the mountains and lake hasn’t changed, on average life is more unpleasant.

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (11,292 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    I think that applies with most situations Kea, especially the internet. People will run off at the mouth on blogs using evocative language to ‘shock’ others, however, the vast majority wouldn’t dare state such things to the faces of the people they denigrate online.

    The big difference is that when in a real life situation, other cues actually dictate the ‘fixed internet bias’ is not factually supported.

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  58. Ryan Sproull (7,288 comments) says:

    You could ask the same of the motivations for 9/11.

    Bin Laden was very clear in his complaints about the US: propping up Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians; military presence on the Saudi Peninsula; medical sanctions on Iraq that were estimated to have killed half a million children.

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  59. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,754 comments) says:

    Sixty Nine years after Victory day and Ukrainian Fascists set up a 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) reenactment society.

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  60. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    the vast majority wouldn’t dare state such things to the faces of the people they denigrate online.

    Judith, very true. Most of the big brave bigots that rally together every day on KB are craved cowards, frustrated by their own impotence and lack of presence in the real world. It shows through clearly in their writing.

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  61. wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:

    Fascist (Green) Party policy in action:

    “Cooking a meal and warming a home were – until pretty recently – matters which Germans, no doubt, largely took for granted. Thanks to the insane cost of their renewable policy – for a substantial and growing number of German households – these basics are now beyond reach.

    As we have pointed out before, the costs of wind power fall disproportionately on the poorest and most vulnerable in society”

    http://stopthesethings.com/2014/04/22/wind-power-costs-send-germans-back-to-the-stone-age/

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  62. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    you should have stopped those dirty Jews from arriving in the early 19th century

    Southern Raider, what “dirty Jews” are those ?

    The ones I have met tended to appear reasonably well groomed. Are you speaking as you find ? If so I am surprised ! I did not think Gore had a big Jewish community.

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  63. wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:

    the vast majority wouldn’t dare state such things to the faces of the people they denigrate online.

    It’s not a matter of daring, it’s the simple fact that different rules apply in different contexts.

    Don’t discuss religion or politics at work. But online, anonymously, on political and social sites it is entirely appropriate to be frank. That’s why people go there. Including you.

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  64. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    wat dabney, The Germans are buying electricity from the neighbours after their multi billion dollar green energy fantasy came into contact with reality.

    I remember staying in a beautiful German village with the surrounding countryside blighted by ugly bird chomping windmills creating a dribble of unaffordable electricity. It was sad to see.

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  65. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Don’t discuss religion or politics at work. But online, anonymously, on political and social sites it is entirely appropriate to be frank. That’s why people go there. Including you.

    wat, Okay be all sensible then !

    Yes I rarely discuss religion in real life. I do with a mate who is a minister, but that is about it. The regulars on KB are up for a scrap so different rules apply. I welcome every challenge made.

    I regard open vigorous debate as a very important thing. Its benefits can not be overstated.

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  66. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Judith,

    “the vast majority wouldn’t dare state such things to the faces of the people they denigrate online.”

    It’s mostly the herd instinct, the majority vs minority thing. The majority seek to dismiss any challenge to their opinion (to the extreme of bullying abuse, rather than simple censorship), and the minority can sometimes deliberately provoke to get attention – the graffiti their wall complex.

    One of the best places to learn all of this were the old MSN message boards. There was one called SOME and another called SIME (Situations In or Of the Middle East). On one board one could support the two state solution and be called a Zionist+ and on the other do so and be called a rag head+.

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  67. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    On one board one could support the two state solution and be called a Zionist+ and on the other do so and be called a rag head+.

    SPC, not unlike KB, the place where being opposed to religious persecution makes you a Nazi…. for not persecuting a religion ! :)

    Where it really gets crazy is when religion is involved and it is not difficult to see why. Religion and faith are the opposite of reason and evidence. This means theists will behave unreasonably. The tragedy is that they do not confine it to online attacks and the world drips with blood due to the identical attitudes displayed right here.

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  68. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Good stuff flipper, well covers the gambit. The unprecedented attack on Binnie appears to have opened or revealed a mindset in Collins that may ultimately be a disaster for her. That she even attempted to divert from the undertakings of Power was a surprise, but that she did it with a clandestine plan against a person commissioned by the Government will rate as a turning point for her, and likely the Exercise of the Royal Prerogative for a long time to come. Fascinating that she couldn’t ‘step back’ in the way Fisher suggested that Binnie didn’t do in his report when in fact his (Binnie’s) report was constructed in that way for all but the very stupid to see. Much projection going on with JC.

    A page of her recent history could pre-date the norm pre Magna Carta, but that she has continued it in other ways since is perhaps showing that she was willing to ‘Judge’ others from her own point of view rather than as detached – to more recently displaying not being able to see, or not caring, about the consequences to her own colleagues as well. A study of the abuse of power as an entitlement.

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  69. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Kea, the term for it is “irreconcilable differences” and whether there can be co-existence despite this.

    In a democracy we call it the loyal opposition that accepts election results and will live to contest the next election. If the democractic process cannot cope than it gets ugly. Of course in areas where there is no democracy, then there is an established rule that suppresses opposition (whether majority or minority).

    Theists have rival religious truths – two global religions of the one and only God. And both have to contend with uppity Jews who once owned this God and won’t concede ownership.

    The Israelis and Palestinians have two orders of rule for the same land area. That Jews are not allowed to be either Christians or Moslems and remain eligible to migrate into the Zionist state of Israel, and both nations lust after Jerusalem like dogs in a brothel does not help.

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  70. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    P.G. seems to be creating havoc and upsetting The sub-Standard divas. One of its divas writes:

    Tiger Mountain 18.2
    10 May 2014 at 12:09 pm

    As a regular commenter at the The Standard my view on Pete George is that he is in the most charitable view a tory time waster lacking even one original thought. He seems to visit here mainly seeking attention, that his public self pleasuring likely has trouble getting elsewhere.

    His pathetic circular logic hair splits over virtually any post or comment test many peoples patience. His demonstrated comprehension skills are year 3-4, unless he is actually just having us on… and of course he is.

    Roll on election time when this dodgy behaviour will hopefully see The Standard a Pete free place again. In the meantime please–just ignore; his lugubrious photo is a visual clue to scroll on by.

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  71. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Kea (11,298 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    the vast majority wouldn’t dare state such things to the faces of the people they denigrate online.

    Judith, very true. Most of the big brave bigots that rally together every day on KB are craved cowards, frustrated by their own impotence and lack of presence in the real world. It shows through clearly in their writing.
    ….
    For example? People who have strong opinions are likely to get up and speak.
    A more likely scenario is that a biased media will miss report them (or get them on assertions that can’t be backed up with proof as when WP was hounded “show us sin city”).

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  72. Viking2 (11,575 comments) says:

    Another aussie rip off.
    Non taxpaying Aussie company uses roundabout to rip of the NZ taxpayer and fleece the Kiwi insurance payer..

    Cam Preston investigates how IAG uses reinsurance arrangements for its NZ business and raises some key questions for their NZ regulators
    Posted in Property May 10, 2014 – 08:56am, Guest
    Singapore, where IAG’s re-insurance is managed.

    By Cameron Preston*

    Heard of the Dutch Sandwich or the Double Irish?

    How about the Singapore Sling?

    The Sling is more than just a new tax avoidance strategy. The Sling is more sinister.

    Its primary aim has been to convince post-earthquake New Zealanders that Insurance Australia Group (IAG) have suffered massive losses from paying out on earthquake claims, and therefore they must, reluctantly, increase their house and contents premiums to remain profitable.

    Its structure is simple.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/property/69847/cam-preston-investigates-how-iag-uses-reinsurance-arrangements-its-nz-business-and-ra

    And remember our usless com commision has just given then the Ok to hoover up Lumleys.

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  73. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    What happened on this day in 1940?

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  74. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    The issue for blogs is to first establish their primary purpose.

    Is it a place for like minds to become an on line community (activist resource network) or a place for open public debate on political matters/current events.

    Kiwblog, despite the hosts spin on the topics raised, is more a place for public debate than for like minds only.

    The Standard was designed as a left wing forum/”newspaper”. If they do not seek comment/engagement from those not of the left they should more explicitly say so, rather than “moderate” or leave it to others on the blog to get their panties in a twist.

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  75. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    People simply refuse to believe reality

    Economist Fabian Calvo “Hundreds Of More Bankers Will Die” .

    Wall Street Economist Fabian Calvo live on Pastor Paul Begley’s radio show “Coming Apocalypse” says “Hundreds of more Bankers will die” http://www.paulbegleyprophecy.com

    Not only exposing but proving

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  76. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    hj, so you swallow whole the MSM meme (and that of establishments worldwide) that the blog/on-line world is the place where losers can have a voice.

    Then use this medium to challenge globalisation on free movement of skilled in demand labour, because this is not good for the same losers where they live?

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  77. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    “What happened on this day in 1940?”

    Dunkirk?

    Too early for winning of Battle of Britain

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  78. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hj, I wish more people would stand up and speak in real life. Regardless of how I may feel about their views. It is always better to speak with your opponents and let it all out.

    SPC, you seem to see the world as a Abrahamic trifecta. Much of the world is not at all concerned about that nonsense. It is very revealing you think the entire world revolves around a tiny religious fantasy land in the desert somewhere. It does not. If it were to disappear tomorrow vast swathes of the world would not bat an eyelid.

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  79. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    THE DISCOURSE ON RACE HAS BEEN FRAMED BY SOCIOLOGISTs (sorry capital lock was on)
    —————————————————
    Part II: Race and the Nation in the Universities

    Indirect evidence that the ghost of Franz Boas still haunts the antipodean ivory tower comes from leading scholars of ethnicity and nationalism who I contacted. They could not name one Australian scholar who professes biosocial theory. This is in line with the survey reported in the first essay in this series in the June issue.[2] No political science or sociology department reported a scholar basing his or her research or teaching on behavioural biology. The skew towards Marxist and other environmental theories means that scholars of nationality do not know what to do with the wealth of findings drawn from evolutionary psychology, ethology, and sociobiology—except ignore them.

    An extreme example of the politicisation of the field of ethnic studies is the school of “whiteness studies”. This began with a Marxist thesis developed in The Wages of Whiteness (1999) by American historian David Roediger. The thesis is that belonging to the white race brings unearned social and economic advantages. This is perhaps the theoretical basis for the claim that Anglo Australians are privileged. Australia has its own academic whiteness studies association, the Australian Critical Race and Whiteness Studies Association (ACRAWSA),[20] whose goal is to “[c]ritically investigate and challenge racial privilege and the construction and maintenance of race and whiteness”. A political agenda is evident in the failure to generalise the thesis. Do not members of other ethnicities and races benefit from group membership? Are there not wages of blackness or of Chineseness? Why are there only benefits for whites and disadvantages for non-whites? The school does not attempt to assess the costs of whiteness, such as affirmative action, at a time when the white man’s burden weighs heavily upon him. White societies around the world are in steep demographic and economic decline, a fact not easy to reconcile with the unchanging white hegemony alleged in whiteness studies. The sole emphasis on white privilege, in a diverse world in which that race is in headlong retreat, is difficult to distinguish from racial animus.
    Another analytical flaw is the school’s dogma that race is a social construct, that it has no objective existence. The notion is found throughout the social sciences and humanities. Also absent from whiteness studies is the concept of ethnic interests, a recurring deficiency of contemporary ethnic studies.

    http://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2012/11/the-war-against-human-nature-iii/

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  80. wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:

    wiki,

    Economist Fabian Calvo…

    I fear you are damning the man with faint praise, wiki.

    “Fabian Calvo is one of the leading real estate mentoring and real estate investing experts in the world…Fabian’s mission is to teach hard working individuals the art of buying and selling real estate with no money out of pocket, no credit, and no prior experience.” http://fabiancalvo.me/

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  81. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hj, those who question notions of race most vocally are invariably those that seek special treatment based on race.

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  82. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Kea, you have managed to divine that out of what I wrote at 12.25pm in response to your comment on religious theism after mine about irreconcilable differences in the ME.

    I actually think you invented that strawman, so you could say what you then said. And on that I will say, the Chinese are destroying churches in China (the nation with the most Christians?), and Hindus becoming politically active in India does nothing for the dream of Gandhi and Nehru for a united sub continent (including Pakistan/Bangladesh).

    But the wider world is drawn into the ME theism issue because of migration into Europe by Moslems, while there is persecution of Christians in Moslem nations, and the Abrahamic land thingy.

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  83. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Kea, you have managed to divine that out of what I wrote at 12.25pm

    “Theists have rival religious truths – two global religions of the one and only God. And both have to contend with uppity Jews who once owned this God and won’t concede ownership.

    The Israelis and Palestinians have two orders of rule for the same land area. That Jews are not allowed to be either Christians or Moslems and remain eligible to migrate into the Zionist state of Israel, and both nations lust after Jerusalem like dogs in a brothel does not help.”

    [cut the crap SPC]

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  84. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    But the wider world is drawn into the ME theism issue because of migration into Europe by Moslems

    SPC, you mean unlike Christianity and Judaism which developed in Kansas and London ?

    But the wider world is drawn into the ME theism issue because of migration into Europe by Moslems/Jews/Christians

    There I fixed it for you bigot.

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  85. Odakyu-sen (755 comments) says:

    hj noted “People like to present Japan’s population readjustment as a problem rather than a solution (eg BBC No Sex Please– We’re Japanese ).”

    It’s going to be a bit painful for Japan as the demographic “pig” moves through the python, but eventually the boomers will die off. The great thing is that the problem is self-correcting; the elderly will die. The problem is that it will take another 25-30 years for the issue to resolve itself.

    In the meantime, the elderly are going to have to look after themselves since their child (or children) will not be around to look after them. As a rule, the Japanese are pragmatic and staunch, so they will face their fate calmly, knowing that there will be more resources and space left for the generation after them.

    With the fall in house prices, Tanaka-san and his wife will be able to buy a 3-bedroom detached house on a 100-square-meter plot some 30 minutes from where he works (instead of living in a shoe-box and commuting 70 minutes to work). More over, the house will be less expensive that the rabbit hutch of Tanaka’s father’s generation in the 1990s. Kumiko Tanaka will be a stay-at-home dedicated mother (thanks to the lower price of the couple’s 30-year 3% mortgage) and will probably decide to have 3 children, as is all the rage in Japan in the year 2030. Voila, the Japanese population decline will flatten out.

    Having seen what a baby boom and bust can mean, the Japanese will be able to make better decisions about what kind of society and demographic profile is best for them.

    Screw the BBC, this is a job for NHK. (Google “NHK” if you like.)

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  86. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    SPC (4,851 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    hj, so you swallow whole the MSM meme (and that of establishments worldwide) that the blog/on-line world is the place where losers can have a voice.
    …….
    losers in what sense?
    1. shut out opinion?
    2. Loosers as in the base of the pyramid?
    …..
    Then use this medium to challenge globalisation on free movement of skilled in demand labour, because this is not good for the same losers where they live?
    …….
    You say “skilled in demand labour”. In fact only a small proprtion of migrants fill that description

    Only a small proportion of existing migrants address specific skill needs. While it is
    difficult to be certain about counterfactuals, key skills shortages could still be addressed
    with substantially lower immigration. With lower immigration, labour market flexibility and
    possible offsets from reduced emigration would likely play a greater role in addressing
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    skills pressures.

    “51
    [Relatively little is known about the extent to which immigration, internal migration and emigration are causally linked, and this would be an interesting area for further research, although it is difficult to obtain data about emigrants once they have left the country. While overall, immigration and emigration are both strongly related to the business cycle, the recent experience of Auckland, which attracts a disproportionate share of immigrants but also experiences net outward internal migration, suggests displacement is possible.] ”
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

    You seem to be using the open borders argument that since capital is free to move around so should labour be. If that is so a poor country with a large population should be able to flood another with a moderate population? In the Philipines (as an example) the RC church has been opposed to birth control. It is just a case of we have eaten our grass can we come over and share yours?
    I would refer you to Herman Daly’s writings on globalisation.

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  87. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, Southern Raider warned me about people like you ! Your not Muslim as well are ya ? :)

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  88. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Bin Laden was very clear in his complaints about the US: propping up Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians; military presence on the Saudi Peninsula; medical sanctions on Iraq that were estimated to have killed half a million children.

    Not that big a deal for his family, it would seem. The Carlyle group was pretty close to the middle of the spider’s web in the US.

    Then there’s the problem of his medical history, reportedly dying nine different times.

    Also consider that Osama could have run into Obama in Pakistan, 1981
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilsnod/68772733/

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  89. flipper (4,232 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ (4,736 comments) says:

    May 10th, 2014 at 12:21 pm ….
    ******

    And your incisive comments reinforce what should be obvious to all but the thick as P S brigade that engage in knee jerk red neck “comments” ( by way of thumbs down) – that Collins has become a liability and that her advice and judgement is/are suspect.

    I looked again this morning at Binnie’s response to Fisher’s “written to prescription” essay and could not help contrast his professionalism with the amateur academic/political stance adopted by Fisher/Collins. To recall: Binnie demolished Fisher, and I have had many highly qualified to comment describe it as ” the most comprehensive demolition” of a legal opinion that they have seen.
    :-)
    Having said that, all she needed to do was to front-foot on Oravida, and say that she was proud to have used some spare time while in China to support a New Zealand export company (while acknowledging her husband’s involvement).

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  90. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    hj, as you did not comprehend as to what I was referring to in my comment. It is that about the irony of your comment about people posting on Kiwiblog as “craved cowards, frustrated by their own impotence and lack of presence in the real world” – as it is the same view of the general public as held by the MSM.

    The MSM media would report migration (barring refugees) as skilled workers, and the unskilled locals not being trained for the work as the local losers complaining about migration because they could not afford to rent, let alone own housing etc.

    And thus you, in their eyes, would be a loser using the blog world to protest, and you would apparently agree with their assessment.

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  91. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Kea, yawn.

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  92. Paulus (2,672 comments) says:

    Viking 2

    IAG NZ have only picked up Lumley because their parent in Australia did.
    WestFarmers in Perth, who are also Coles and Bunnings here, decided that insurance was not core to their business, so they decided to sell Lumleys.
    IAG picked up cheaply what Westfarmers did not want,in Australia with NZ following.
    New Zealand is so bereft of local insurers, after Christchurch, that nobody could buy them, which would make the local market even smaller with less competition.

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  93. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Kea, your pretty good at promoting racial hate yourself. Making generalisations, often inaccurate ones, about what Jews believe and think, or generalisations about Israel (without understanding the background of 2000 years of persecution culminating in the Holocaust) is no different to any other kind of racial hatred.

    Commenting on Islamic terrorism is not automatically commentary about all Muslims. There is an obvious distinction you seem unable or unwilling to comprehend.

    Then again, straw men, caricatures, and questions along the lines of “have you stopped beating your wife yet” seem to be your stock and trade.

    I’m in two minds as to whether your just ill-informed or a troll.

    The other possibility is that your engaging in psychological projection, and attacking others for your own un-acknowledged personal issues.

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  94. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    “yawn”

    SPC, you are a lying psychopath so I did note anticipate any other reaction.

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  95. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    Kea is an ill-informed troll. And that’s ‘you’re’, not ‘your’ BTW Shawn. Common mistake.

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  96. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Kea is an ill-informed troll. And that’s ‘you’re’, not ‘your’ BTW Shawn. Common mistake.”

    Yes I think your right, and thanks for the heads up. I’m the first to admit that my grammar is appalling.

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  97. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    milky, oh so Christianity and Judaism developed in Europe. Thanks for the tip. Got a source maggot ?

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  98. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    hj, as to my own opinion about the wider issue. A bit “mixed economy”, I have a fairly balanced opinion.

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  99. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Kea, I have never debated on line with anyone quicker to personally abuse others than yourself.

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  100. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    I hope I haven’t got a source maggot. Is it like a tapeworm?

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  101. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I have a fairly balanced opinion.

    This is why I keep coming back. The comedy :)

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  102. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “milky, oh so Christianity and Judaism developed in Europe.”

    This is actually true to a degree. Both Rabbinical Judaism and most Christian theology did develop in Europe.

    The only exception to that would be the Oriental Churches in places like Egypt and Syria.

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  103. Odakyu-sen (755 comments) says:

    Kea,

    http://wiki.answers.com/ informs us that Muslims make up 0.14% of the Japanese population.

    What are the odds, you might ask yourself…

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  104. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, I have a friend who comes and stays with me from time to time. She is both Chinese & Muslim ! Strange little thing she is. She weighs in at about 37kg, but is still enough to terrify most KB commentors.

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  105. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Odakyu-sen, I have a friend who comes and stays with me from time to time. She is both Chinese & Muslim”

    Is this another one of those “I was just last week on the phone with…” claims?

    Colour me sceptical. :)

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  106. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Yes shorn it is. Sorry if reality does not fit with your ignorant;Them/Us, Asian/White, Good/Bad, Muslim/Master Race narrative.

    While you live in fear the rest of us are just getting on with things and being normal people.

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  107. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Sorry if reality does not fit with your ignorant;Them/Us, Asian/White, Good/Bad, Muslim/Master Race narrative.”

    This is such a monumentally dumb comment Kea, even for you.

    For a start, I have never mentioned Aisian immigration, and I have no problem with it, as well as being an immigrant myself.

    I’m also half Native American, so notions of “White” anything are not my stock and trade.

    And I’m one of the few righties on KB that does not make generalisations about Muslims.

    Seriously Kea, stop lying about other people here and try to learn how to make a reasonable argument.

    Silly child.

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  108. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Kea, I thought the best line was your own, where you think that that the topic you started on theism/theists, involved more than the so called Abrahamic religions.

    PS. Hinduism and Buddhism etc are not “theism’s of the one and only God”.

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  109. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    We just had a pretty significant earthquake in Chch. That’s the first large one for a while now.

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  110. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Check out the marching in their whites at 22 minutes. Be afraid shorn, very afraid. :)

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  111. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Kea, as you seem to be a bit dense I’ll repeat myself for your benefit.

    I have never mentioned Aisian immigration, and I have no problem with it, as well as being an immigrant myself.

    I’m also half Native American, so notions of “White” anything are not my stock and trade.

    And I’m one of the few righties on KB that does not make generalisations about Muslims.

    Seriously Kea, stop lying about other people here and try to learn how to make a reasonable argument.

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  112. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    ‘Seriously Kea, stop lying about other people here’
    LOL, as if that’d ever happen…

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  113. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, that’s nice. You sound like a wonderful open minded human being. I am glad :)

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  114. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    SPC, I checked your comment again, but all I could find was stuff about the master race (that god [the one they invented] likes best) their servants the Christian goy, and some evil monsters called “muslims” who want to wreck it all. Nothing about the billions of others on the planet. Not a thing in fact.

    Still researching your implied claim that Islam was imported into Europe, unlike Judaism and Christianity, which therefore must have been endemic to the region. Not much luck so far, but I will keep trying :)

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  115. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Seriously Kea, stop lying about other people here and try to learn how to make a reasonable argument.

    You mean like calling people Neo Nazis shorn ?

    You talents are wasted as an impotent religious bigot. You really should be in film and television with such a flair for comedy and dramatic statements.

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  116. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “You mean like calling people Neo Nazis shorn ”

    If the shoe fits.

    People who make inaccurate statements and caricatures about Jews, including making dishonest claims that they believe they are the master race, leave themselves open to that accusation.

    And I’m not a bigot Kea, that would be you based on yesterdays anti-Jewish ranting and your anti-religious bigotry.

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    Your clearly a troll who is not remotely interested in real debate.

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  117. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, Yesterday I posted exerts from Jewish publications written by Jews giving their [Jewish] views.

    So what is with the Nazi anti-Jewish ranting nonsense ? I will answer for you. Because you do believe they are gods special people and should never be made to look bad or their wrongs exposed to the Goy, Muslims or other lessor beings.

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  118. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    UT, caught with your proverbial pants down yet again. There is not a shred of evidence that OBL joined the Pakistan Army in 1980 when the photo was taken and note from the link below he was to tall to be the person ( soldier ) alleged in that photo.

    “This isn’t a leaked photo from some secretive sessions with bin Laden, then – it came from a photo opportunity that hit the papers the very next day. And given that the bearded man appears to be the wrong height to be bin Laden, and there’s no reason to believe bin Laden was ever in the Pakistani army, and it makes no sense that this soldier would be having important discussions with Brzezinski, and bin Laden wasn’t significant at this time anyway, we’d suggest the most likely alternative is the one presented here: the bearded man was just another Pakistani soldier.”

    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_and_Brzezinski

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  119. muggins (3,816 comments) says:

    flip,old bean.
    Judith Collins didn’t try to subvert Binnie’s report. She thought his conclusion was shonky so she had it checked out and turned out it was. Even a blind man could see that. How Binnie was not able to see a link between David Bain wearing those glasses and the murder of his brother Stephen is a mystery to this day.

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  120. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Yesterday I posted exerts from Jewish publications written by Jews giving their [Jewish] views.”

    Selectively, while using them to advance your own bigotry against Israel. And you failed to provide any evidence for your anti-Jewish claim that child abuse is endemic amongst Jewish people.

    You did not get that claim from any Jewish source.

    It’s an old tactic that the Neo-Nazis at Stormfront use. Post from a Jewish source, but misuse the info to try and back up a wider claim that the Jews are bad.

    The only bigot in these conversations is you. Your deeply ill-informed anti-Jewish/Israeli bigotry and your anti-religious bigotry colour everything you say, which is why you spend so much time accusing others of bigotry, to avoid dealing with your own.

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  121. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Another favourite of the white middle class TV watchers and their celebrity culture that enables this:

    Rolf Harris was ‘Jekyll and Hyde’

    “[She] was a small, skinny girl who looked younger than her age,”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/10030072/Rolf-Harris-was-Jekyll-and-Hyde

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  122. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, okay. Where do you get your information from ?

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  123. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Where do you get your information from ?”

    On what subject?

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  124. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, stopping being a creep. On Jews, Muslims etc ? You know, what we have been debating for days now. That “subject” smart arse !

    My sources were mainstream Jewish news sources. Written by Jews for Jews in Israel, largely.

    What informs YOUR opinion ?

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  125. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Yours were selectively chosen sources, largely from the Israeli Left, which like all Left wing sources, are inclined to bias against the host country.

    The fact remains that the sources are an excuse. You have a pre-determined hatred of Israel, and you cherry pick your sources to bolster that.

    What was your source for the claim about endemic child abuse in the Jewish community, hmmmm?

    What is your souce for your “master race” slur, hmmm?

    I read from a wide variety of sources, mostly books, which you should try sometime. But first off you need to ditch your pre-determined bigotry.

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  126. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, so you can’t give any sources. Very revealing. BTW the bible is not a valid source of anything. It is a dark blood soaked and vile fable best left back in the dark ages in which it was written. Along with the disgusting cults that formed around it and its ignorant violent adherents.

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  127. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “so you can’t give any sources.”

    Sure I can, but unlike you I don’t trust the mainstream media. Try http://www.frontpagemag.com/ just for a start.

    “Along with the disgusting cults that formed around it and its ignorant violent adherents.”

    And there is that hate filled bigotry again. One minute your claiming to oppose bigotry against any group, including Muslims and Jews, the next your rabidly engaging in it like any other small minded bigot.

    Confused much? :)

    You contradict yourself like this all the time, which is why I think your really just projecting your own prejudice and hate onto other people and groups, instead of looking at the hate in your own heart.

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  128. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Here is another source published by the World Union of Jewish Students. Scroll down to Israel: Accusations and Rebuttals.

    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

    And there is the Jewish Virtual Library.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/israel.html

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  129. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    SPC (4,857 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    hj, as you did not comprehend as to what I was referring to in my comment. It is that about the irony of your comment about people posting on Kiwiblog as “craved cowards, frustrated by their own impotence and lack of presence in the real world” – as it is the same view of the general public as held by the MSM.
    ….
    I didn’t say:
    “craved cowards, frustrated by their own impotence and lack of presence in the real world” I must have been quoting.

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  130. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    @ Kea I’m not worried about having Chinese neighbours; I’m worried about a flood of wealthy people cramming cities, inflating house prices and the fact that once started it is an unending process. It wouldn’t matter until standing room only people would be saying the same thing: “xenophobia, racism”.

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  131. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Judith (5,952 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Perfectly true – the media defines ‘popular opinion’ and promotes certain mindsets which many adopt without question.
    ………..
    “perfectly true” you mean reporters shouldn’t discuss things like “large numbers” (of migrants)?
    and you aren’t allowed to protest loss of national identity ?
    What does Spoonley think is acceptable to protest: mass bombings and murder?

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  132. Nukuleka (348 comments) says:

    Gosh this general debate stuff is becoming tedious. Thanks heavens nobody much reads it. Don’t people have more to do with their lives than sit at their laptops etc writing dreary self-obsessed nonsense? Get a life, I say…

    As I posted yesterday, in many instances nearly as silly as the tripe that is found on The Standard.

    Now that is truly insulting.

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  133. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hj, Yes I do agree with you, and as you correctly note, it is not based on race or religion etc. Many folk from overseas have seen this happen first hand in their own countries and would not want it replicated here.

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  134. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    After carefully reading Nukuleka’s comment I have determined the following about Nukuleka.

    1. They read The Standard.

    2. They are nobody much.

    3. They like doing things they deny doing.

    4. They don’t take their own advice.

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  135. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    After reading far too many of Kea’s comments, I have determined the following about Kea:

    1. He is an idiot.

    2. He is ignorant.

    3. His ignorance is exceeded only by his arrogance.

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  136. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    milky, thanks for sharing. Did Mum help you write that ? :)

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  137. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Nukuleka would much prefer that we used GD only to write nice things about baby Jesus. :)

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  138. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    But I’m not even sure that there ever was a baby Jesus.

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  139. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    nasska, I like how Nuku thought her comment was “truly insulting”. She must have had a very sheltered life that included never reading Red’s brain farts :)

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  140. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    ….”She must have had a very sheltered life that included never reading Red’s brain farts “…..

    My life to date has been pretty rugged & even I avoid them whenever possible. :)

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  141. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    But I’m not even sure that there ever was a baby Jesus.

    milky, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST HEATHEN !!!!

    Sweet baby Jesus was a Jew. Therefore: You are a raving anti semite Nazi communist Muslim.

    Repent that blasphemous remark, in Jesus name.

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  142. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    “My life to date has been pretty rugged & even I avoid them whenever possible. ”

    You know he loves you ? :)

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  143. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    hj 4.08pm, yes I see that. To confuse your quote of Kea’s opinion with yours is barely unforgiveable. I can only say sorry for the insult.

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  144. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    I see the right-wing nut-jobs in the US of A have decided who is to blame for the Nigerian kidnapping: Hilary Clinton:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/05/09/kidnapped_nigerian_girls_a_terrible_story_and_also_an_excuse_for_fox_news.html

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  145. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Kea is opposed to bigotry against Muslims, except when he’s in favour of bigotry against Muslims. He is opposed to bigotry against Jews, except when he is in favour of bigotry against Jews. And he’s opposed to bigotry against any group, except when he is favour of bigotry against religious folks, or people who oppose sexual violence against women.

    Oh, and he is right wing, except when it comes to Israel and he needs to quote Haaretz, the Israeli equivalent of the lefty Brit rag the Guardian. :)

    Dear oh dear, he is a confused little poppet! :)

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  146. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    But he’s never pretended to get his instructions from burning shrubbery Shawn.

    Confused maybe but at least he’s sane. :)

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  147. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Doesn’t it make you wonder, if the world hasn’t been able to find one black box for two months; how the hell are they going to find 276 of them? :)

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  148. stigie (1,332 comments) says:

    Great win for the Warriors against the Raiders. Konrad was outstanding as the actress said !!

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  149. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    Whoever thought riding bikes without helmets would lead to kidnapping.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/89069/the-story-behind-boko-haram-the-group-responsible-for-kidnapping-schoolgirls-in-nigeria

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  150. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    shorn, sorry I am too upset to reply having read milkies 5:57 rant against sweet baby Jesus our Lord and saviour :(

    Join me in prayer for milkies rotten hell bound soul… I have to go now and continue to weep before the blessed Virgin Mary while I fiddle with my beads.

    nasska @ 6:51… I will pray for your wickedness too. ;)

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  151. Viking2 (11,575 comments) says:

    Radio New Zealand

    Legal ruling raises hopes for justice over forestry death

    The widow of a forestry worker killed on the job is welcoming a historic court ruling that his employer can be prosecuted. The Council of Trade Unions (CTU) has won the right to prosecute the case and says more are on the way.
    Related Forestry »
    Court allows union forestry prosecution

    CTU to take private prosecution over forestry

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/legal-ruling-raises-hopes-justice-over-forestry-death-5968216

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (11,337 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    You will go to hell if you start fiddling around virgins.

    I don’t think you understand God’s sense of humour when it comes to relations between men and women, e.g.
    he told you guys that good and obedient women would be found in all corners of the world -having already made the world round.

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  153. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    In today’s Wellington club rugby results

    Wainui beat Norths, HOBM beat OBU and Petone beat Upper Hutt Rams and thus the race for the 8th sport is now between OBU and Norths. 4 Valley teams set for the Jubilee Cup.

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  154. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Judith, I am about just heading out to look for some right now. Wish me luck ;)

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  155. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    SPC
    It was a nice afternoon down at the Hutt Rec. Smaller crowd than I expected, but I suppose Hutt haven’t been travelling that well. Looked all right today though.

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  156. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Sad about Ories really! :)

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  157. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (11,338 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    I’m not sure if you are out looking for virgins or good and obedient women.

    It’s Saturday night, so I doubt you’ll find many virgins about, and its been a bloody long time since I’ve met any ‘good and obedient’ women. I don’t fancy your chances on either count.

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  158. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    I will be wearing a pink t-shirt tomorrow to raise awareness for guys like me who’ve mixed reds with their favourite white t-shirt in the wash.

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  159. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    UT, caught with your proverbial pants down yet again.

    Again? When do you think the last time was?

    There is not a shred of evidence that OBL joined the Pakistan Army in 1980 when the photo was taken and note from the link below he was to tall to be the person ( soldier ) alleged in that photo.

    Think about the context: “Also consider that Osama could have run into Obama in Pakistan, 1981″

    The man in the photo is around the same height as Obama.

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  160. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    The closest Kea gets to a woman on a Saturday night is probably watching a porno film.

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  161. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,731 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    ;-) yeah sure, that’s your excuse – you’ve taken this compulsory gay marriage thing to heart, haven’t you? ;-)

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  162. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    I’ll pop over the hill to Ekatahuna first thing to mark you with my blue raddle before the Labour caucus get there nasska! :)

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  163. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Wonderful victory today. Eastern cannibals ate Northern cannibals milkey! :)

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  164. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    If the Labour caucus gets too close to Eke you’ll find me helping to man the barricades JB. :)

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  165. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Judith

    Every so often SWMBO spends a few days babysitting in town to give their parents a break. Then strange things can happen in the kitchen & laundry.

    I’m just not used to not being under constant supervision. :)

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  166. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Watch out for Judith sneaking round the end of the barricade with an 18volt vibrator nasska! :)

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  167. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,733 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    What sort of woman escapes the house and leaves the appliances plugged in? The least she could have done was tied you to the clothes line to limit the damage!

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  168. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Send Judith an agenda for SWMBO and she’ll be there in a flash nasska! :)

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  169. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “But he’s never pretended to get his instructions from burning shrubbery Shawn.

    Confused maybe but at least he’s sane.”

    Not even remotely sane naaska.

    He’s a member of the atheist religious cult remember. ;)

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  170. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “I will be wearing a pink t-shirt tomorrow to raise awareness for guys like me who’ve mixed reds with their favourite white t-shirt in the wash.”

    SINNER!!!

    “Thou shalt not mix the whites with the reds.” :)

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  171. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Once upon a time there was a man in the Communist Internationale, and his mission was to get the workers of the world to unite against the capitalist elite. He died a failure and with the world subjugated by globalisation, his son, formed the Atheist Internationale, with the mission to crusade the world into apostasy (rebellion against the Abrahamic religion’s one and only God). It does not bode well for the secular liberal, if we are reliant on someone like Kea to save us.

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  172. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Again? When do you think the last time was?”

    Yesterday. And the day before that. And the day before that…..

    “Also consider that Osama could have run into Obama in Pakistan, 1981″

    The man in the photo is around the same height as Obama.”

    LMFAO!!! :) :) :)

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  173. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Rose White, Rose Red, it is nothing but a name. Mix. Mix well.

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  174. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Kea’s still running on factory default settings Shawn. His Fairy Godmother hid him from the evil deists. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0r5isf5du46q6x/atheist.gif

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  175. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Police are looking for a man – neither black or white, but brown of skin and of this height, anyone will do.

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  176. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    ” It does not bode well for the secular liberal, if we are reliant on someone like Kea to save us.”

    That would almost be enough to make me feel sorry for you guys! :)

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  177. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    The Hurricanes vs the Lions might be worth watching.

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  178. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    You forgot to mention that the man had black curly hair SPC.

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  179. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Shawn, that’s taking the low road. The real Hurricanes don’t play indoors.

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  180. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    nasska, theists misrule, deists reign. Blessed be.

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  181. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    All Hurricanes games will, from now on, be shown on the SKY Gay Adult Channel. A spokesman said:
    “Watching 15 arseholes get hammered for 90 minutes was not considered appropriate for daytime TV.”

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  182. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Sounds complicated SPC….I’ll stick to atheism thanks. :)

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  183. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    nasska, how does a deist slander an atheist? By calling them a theist.

    So you are just another a theist then?

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  184. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Atheism isn’t a religion SPC….it’s a personal relationship with reality.

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  185. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Yesterday. And the day before that. And the day before that…..

    Shawn Lee Herles, still the same liar that he ever was.

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  186. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/old/view_article_details.php?id=16204

    The Politics of Christian Zionism 1891-1948 by Paul C. Merkley provides startling evidence that the poisoned theology of Christian Zionism predates Herzl, long considered the father of Zionism. In fact, Herzl received a tremendous amount of support from William Hechler, the son of Anglican missionaries and author of an 1893 pamphlet entitled “The Restoration of the Jews to Palestine According to Prophecy.” It was Hechler who arranged meetings between Herzl and Kaiser Wilhelm II, promoting the Zionist ambition to usurp Palestine among world leaders.

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  187. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, tell it to Reid, he thinks the Luciferians were behind Zionism. Bringing Jerusalem into the British empire was the Crowning glory of the Anglican state church.

    Those who believe the English are amongst the lost tribes of Israel, have bought into the myth. That includes you.

    PS DNA demonstrates the English and Americans do not have the Semite Y chromosome. Not unless they have Jewish family relatives.

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  188. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Atheism isn’t a religion SPC….it’s a personal relationship with reality.”

    It’s a personal relationship with nihilism.

    For an ideology that is supposedly not a religion, atheists sure are building a lot of churches! :)

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  189. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    According to DNA research amongst the Cherokee I probably have more Jewish DNAthan any Anglo person.

    It’s only speculation as to why Jewish DNA has turned up in many Cherokee, but the most likely reason is a small amount of Jewish migration to North America after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.

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  190. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    The Lions are playing the Highlanders, not the Hurricanes. Oops. :)

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  191. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Reid seems to have disappeared from KB.

    Can we make Ugly disappear as well? :)

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  192. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, tell it to Reid, he thinks the Luciferians were behind Zionism.

    Lucifer -> Babylon -> Edom -> Rothschilds -> Shield of David -> Hexagram -> Zionist flag

    Bringing Jerusalem into the British empire was the Crowning glory of the Anglican state church.

    Glory isn’t a term that I’d use to describe it.

    Those who believe the English are amongst the lost tribes of Israel, have bought into the myth. That includes you.

    British = bryt eysh = covenant male (in Hebrew), which refers to the covenant of circumcision.

    PS DNA demonstrates the English and Americans do not have the Semite Y chromosome. Not unless they have Jewish family relatives.

    AFAIK nobody is claiming that all of the peoples of England and America are of the lost tribes, only that some of the lost tribes ended up there.

    A little history of the military connection to the establishment of the Zionist state:

    Of course, all of these discussions and arrangements were restrained by the fact of the Ottoman Empire’s continued control of Palestine. This changed in World War I. The Ottoman Turks sided with Germany. Germany and the Allied powers bogged down along the German/French borders. Millions perished. The British were in desperate need to enhance the power of their explosives in order to win the war. The person who discovered the chemical processes to do just that was the chemist, Chaim Weitzman. Near the end of the war the British Prime Minister, Lloyd George (another Christian Zionist), called for Weitzman to offer him an award for his assistance in the war effort. In a classic statement, Weitzman declared, “I want nothing for myself but rather a homeland for my people.” As a result Lloyd George directed his Foreign Secretary, Arthur Balfour, to issue what became known as the Balfour Declaration, proposing Palestine become a homeland for the Jewish people. A month later a British military force led by General Allenby overthrew Ottoman rule in Palestine, and Britain now became the ruling sovereign in the area.
    http://www.leaderu.com/common/british.html

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  193. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Stripping real Jews of their history and identity and passing it on to some white/British folks is not only historically ludicrous, with no credible evidence, it is a form of Jew hatred.

    Associating the Jews/Zionists with Satan is Jew hatred.

    The liberation of Eretz Yisrael from Arab occupation which allowed the Jews to reclaim their God given homeland is one of the great achievements of the Balfour declaration, and the need for that homeland is proven by the continued hatred and bigotry they are subject to from those like you who continue to carry out Hitler’s agenda.

    Thank God for the Balfour deceleration and for Christian Zionism.

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  194. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    British

    The combination of the Greek word ‘prettanoi’, meaning tattoed people, and the Celtic word, ‘brit’, meaning light coloured or speckled, is behind the modern name.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092433/How-Britain-got-Great-Land-Tattooed-The-astonishing-map-reveals-origins-place-names.html#ixzz31JIJCj7V

    The p and b are interchangeable, thus Pritanni and Britanny.

    There is Britain and British, so the ish is as belonging to the island of Britain/of the pritanni.

    Note the word Celt comes from the Greek keltoi (concealed, the opposite of apocalypse – revelation). This was because the Celt did not write down their knowledge (and make it known to outsiders in this way) they passed it on orally to a chosen few.

    Maybe one could connect tattoo to a mark on the flesh, and circumcision as a marking or a belonging on the skin. Maybe.

    But the fact of the DNA of the people of the island is that the vast majority do not have Semite Y chromosome DNA.

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  195. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Not surprising as the originals were there thousands of years ago, many “Celts” came from mainland Europe and the later arrivals Germanic/Dane/Norman over-ran the place.

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  196. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth

    “Lucifer -> Babylon -> Edom -> Rothschilds -> Shield of David -> Hexagram -> Zionist flag”

    I would have thought you had acknowledged that Christian empire (Crusade revisited) was behind Zionism. Rather than the myth of Lucifer shape shifting into a talking snake.

    PS, the wisdom of Isis (it was not the snake talking but Evie saying her name) would have been more tempting to Eve than anything a lisping snake had to say. And no Isis would not have lisped, just developed a V addiction when looking under the veil. If Lucifer was Arch Angel of Goddess, that would explain the slanders of the jealous patriarchy.

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  197. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    mikenmild (9,182 comments) says:
    May 10th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    The closest Kea gets to a woman on a Saturday night is probably watching a porno film.

    milky got one thing right. Once. :)

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  198. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    kea reminds me of Rafael Nadal. All the best recent tennis rivalries star Nadal. Nadal-Federer. Now it’s Nadal-Djokovic.

    And on GD you’ve got kea-griff, kea-shawn, kea- fill the blank with whoever . . .

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  199. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Life on the diet . . . zero sugar drink . . .

    At my local Siberia’n’ Save you can of course get low kilojoule soft drink – cola or lemonade. That’s it. And I buy it – sure – fantastic.

    *But* – in recent times other zero flavours have been coming out – you can get zero L&P, zero Fanta and Lift and fuck knows what else. I’m not paying Countdown’s off special price for it though. Stuff that. So . . .

    The holy grail of zero soft drink is on special zero vanilla coke at puke ‘n’ save. You won’t see that more than once a year, but they did have, first time I’ve seen it there….. Fanta orange zero . . . ye gods !!

    Is demand for zero sugar soft drink on the up and up ? If you want more than two affordable flavours it’s another small improvement in life. What can I say – I’m easily excitable.

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  200. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Nobody, except UT or Kea, could be upset by the killing of a terrorist dog:
    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/british-military-investigates-photos-of-at-least-one-airman-posing-with-taliban-corpse/story-fnh81p7g-1226912622488

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  201. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Manolo, only trouble is the Taliban have never attacked anyone outside their tribal borders. They are currently defending themselves from an invading army, sent because Saudi Arabia attacked the Master Race of Jews second home. Not sure how that works, you should ask a Jew.

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  202. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    I would have thought you had acknowledged that Christian empire (Crusade revisited) was behind Zionism.

    Herzl was no Christian.

    Rather than the myth of Lucifer shape shifting into a talking snake.

    What myth? The name of Lucifer is a reference to the king of Babylon, not to the talking snake of Genesis.

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