General Debate 23 May 2014

May 23rd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Nice day for it; not…

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  2. hj (7,010 comments) says:

    Anything on Winston today? Bjorn Lomborg announce more flying pigs than ever? NZIER calls for a larger population?

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What is the result of the latest Morgan Poll? MSM dodged it like a dose of the clap.

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  4. hj (7,010 comments) says:

    Thailand’s Political Tensions Are Rekindling Ethnic and Regional Divisions
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/world/asia/thailands-political-tensions-are-rekindling-ethnic-and-regional-divisions.html

    China Comes to Thailand
    http://www.asiasentinel.com/econ-business/china-comes-to-thailand/

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  5. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    Reaction to Greenie Charles comments: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/10849118/Russia-Prince-Charles-Hitler-remarks-outrageous-propaganda.html

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  6. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    I sure the fact that one of the accused has nothing to do with the police inaction. /sarc

    Friends fear for Roast Busters girl

    The complainant at the centre of the Roast Busters scandal has had a “terrible” time since she went to the police and those close to her are worried she will give up her fight for justice.

    The West Auckland schoolgirl was 13 when she was allegedly subjected to a sexual assault in 2011 by members of a group of teenage youths known as the Roast Busters.

    Beraiah Hales and his friend Joseph Parker are alleged to have been the ringleaders of the Roast Busters, who bragged on the group’s Facebook page about having sex with girls.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11259936

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  7. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan – National bounce back a bit, otherwise little change.

    – National 45.5% (up 3%)
    – Labour 30.5% (down 0.5%)
    – Green Party 13.5% (down 0.5)
    – NZ First 6.0% (no change)
    – Maori Party 1.0% (no change)
    – Mana Party 1.0% (no change)
    – Conservative Party 1.0% (up 0.5)
    – ACT NZ 0.5% (no change)
    – Internet Party 0.5% (down 1)
    – UnitedFuture 0% (down 0.5)

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  8. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Looks like another Muslim terror attack in China, leaving 31 dead.

    BEIJING — At least 31 people died and over 90 were injured Thursday when attackers drove two cars into shoppers, and threw explosives, at an open-air market in the northwest Chinese city of Urumqi, state media reported.

    China’s Ministry of Public Security called it a “violent terrorist incident.”

    The attack marks the latest and deadliest of several recent attacks in the restive region of Xinjiang, of which Urumqi is the capital. Attacks have also taken place elsewhere in China.

    [...]

    While Xinjiang is home to the Uighur minority, a Turkic-speaking, mostly Muslim people, most residents of Urumqi are Han Chinese, members of China’s majority ethnic group, who have flooded into Xinjiang in recent decades, stirring long-held tensions. Ethnic riots in the city in 2009 killed nearly 200 people, mostly Han.

    Previous violence in Xinjiang targeted the state, notably through attacks on police stations, but assailants now increasingly target public places, and not particular individuals, which is “a hallmark of modern terrorism,” said Clarke. “These low-technology, even opportunist-type, attacks on more public targets are difficult for any state to combat,” he said.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/21/explosion-china-xinjiang/9401423/

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  9. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    The Winston First caucus hit new lows yesterday. As if trying unsuccessfully again to shut down Brendan Horan wasn’t bad enough, they reached their nadir when they voted AGAINST David Cunliffe’s no confidence motion on the Budget, which had to be corrected an hour later.

    There’s no way that the party can exist without Peters, and he is a long way from being the politician he used to be. In some ways, it’s really sad to watch his demise.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/the-rudderless-ss-winston-first.html

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  10. hj (7,010 comments) says:

    Kiribati: Tiny island’s struggle with overpopulation

    Stretching over 3.5 million sq km (1.35 million sq mi) of the ocean, Kiribati consists of several islands spread across a territory of similar size to India, but most of the population is concentrated on South Tarawa.

    This tiny crescent of land is home to around 50,000 people – it’s overcrowded, with a population density similar to Tokyo or Hong Kong.

    “One way to deal with the problems created by increasing populations may be a return to the old way of life, suggests Tabao Awaerika, secretary to Kiribati’s president.
    “It’s like taking a step back into our history – but it’s very difficult to do that,” he explains.

    “We had this thought of getting people to eat babai, it’s a local food crop like taro, but it takes about four hours to cook. Breadfruit is about an hour – rice is easier to cook, nicer and cheaper. So why do it?

    “We need a total change of mindset. To encourage sustainable activity on outer islands so they don’t need to come to Tarawa.”

    However, persuading more people not to come could be difficult.

    Artan Rajit, the deputy mayor of nearby Abaiang – a greener, more spacious island with a population of under 10,000 – says simply: “We want what they have in Tarawa.”

    For people enduring a near subsistence lifestyle on Kiribati’s outer islands, accepting the overcrowding and polluted environment seems a worthwhile price to pay for the vibrancy of South Tarawa, with its few shops, access to imported food, tinned meat and rice and medical centres.

    Despite the pot-holed road and decrepit vehicles, there is also the potential for paid employment – though only around 20% of the population have full-time, paid jobs. ”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26017336

    Could aid lead to overpopulation? Pundits are musing we take the lot (while preserving their culture) – go on we’re rich!
    http://hot-topic.co.nz/morgan-godfery-no-climate-refugees-please-were-new-zealanders

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  11. G152 (339 comments) says:

    One:
    Prince Charles has read his history evidently where Hitler pulled the same tricks to ‘save’ German speakers in other countries.

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  12. EAD (1,082 comments) says:

    Powerful article over on Breitbart today by James Delingpole explaining the rise of UKIP who will if not win the European elections, will come a very close second. The article is titled:

    THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE POLITICAL CLASS HAVE UNITED AGAINST A COMMON ENEMY: US

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/22/The-right-and-left-of-the-political-class-have-united-against-a-common-enemy-us

    Very powerful in that this is happening right across the Western World in that there is increasingly becoming a disconnect between a “political class” who rule over their populations and no matter who you vote in, they all follow the same globalist agenda of debt, political correctness, a health and safety culture, nation changing level of immigration, negative politics with political debate reduced to name-calling and slogans with the ordinary citizen feeling powerless to control their countries destiny as they are always ignored (the smacking petition for the grossest example of this in NZ). Some excerpts:

    “It’s about that conversation people have, every night, in pubs all over Britain about how they just don’t recognise their country any more, and about how it doesn’t seem to matter who you vote for, you always get the same”

    “It’s about political correctness gone mad: like the head of Premier League football being censured and threatened with the sack for the contents of his private emails – and the Conservative Prime Minister cantishly joining in to swell the chorus of disapproval”

    “It’s about things beyond the realm of politics, like the depressing sight I saw at the tube station shortly before writing this piece: a class of primary school children, their uniforms obscured by hideous hi-visibility vests which their staff had apparently decided when filling out the inevitable risk assessment forms that everyone should wear, for reasons of elf ‘n’ safety.”

    This is the world most of us inhabit and which most of us would rather not inhabit. It is the political class which created this world. Is it any wonder we want revenge?

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  13. hj (7,010 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock
    There’s no way that the party can exist without Peters,
    …..
    There’s always Labour and a concerned middle class who see house prices rise beyond their reach in a globalised property market where the fundamentals (incomes of locals) no longer apply.

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  14. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    See:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11259886
    “Complaint laid over Collins’ pistol pic”

    “Mr Lincoln said he was not ruling out a private prosecution.”

    The guy seems a nutter and should therefore have his firearms licence revoked.

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  15. hj (7,010 comments) says:

    Pete George (22,019 comments) says:
    May 23rd, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Latest Roy Morgan – National bounce back a bit, otherwise little change.
    ….
    Labour will have to grow some balls over immigration. You can’t be in and out. Unfortunately the multicultural wing believes it is lLabour.

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  16. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Very powerful in that this is happening right across the Western World in that there is increasingly becoming a disconnect between a “political class” who rule over their populations and no matter who you vote in …

    You can’t trust people who lie to you.

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  17. hj (7,010 comments) says:

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  18. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Is this Lincoln clown not one of the fools that reckon we should be more liberal with firearms licences? Bet he is a Labour/Green voter also.

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  19. cas (39 comments) says:

    I travelled to Auckland and back yesterday for a funeral and can report to Labour that on the stretch of motorway between Ohinewai and Auckland and back that there were NO trucks whatsoever in the outside (fast) lane in either direction. I am so………confused. I thought there would be heaps.

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  20. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Griff traveled from AK to drury @ 3pm and can report a truck n trailer in the right hand lane delayed traffic to 80kmh between manukau and manurewa another a cement truck held the traffic back to a similar speed between afrakura to drury. Griff has changed the tire size on his car hence his speedo is now 99.5% accurate by gps unlike yours.
    In both cases the road was clear ahead of the lumbering giants.

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  21. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    But as we know, cas, there is nothing Kiwis like more than getting away to the beach on holiday, and there’s nothing Kiwis like less than being held up by trucks in the outside lane, except perhaps the Leader of the Opposition, so there must have been trucks there. It is just that you have been lied to so many times by John Key and his crony capitalist cronies that you can’t see the truth. The road between Hamilton and Auckland is not the Holiday Highway, anyway, that is the road to the North intended to replace a two lane disgrace that inhibits the growth of our most impoverished region, so if it ever gets built then there will be trucks all over it, particularly in the fast lane, because there is nothing Kiwi truckdrivers like doing more than blocking the outside lanes for other Kiwis who like nothing more….

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  22. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    UglyTruth: “You can’t trust people who lie to you.”

    You will be pleased to know this morning the PM said the we were known for our “honesty in Government and sport.” Is that true?
    Can I trust him when he says that when he has lied to me?

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  23. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    A good read. Steyn on Farage: http://www.steynonline.com/5605/ukip-shakes-up-westminster

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  24. minus (193 comments) says:

    “John Key tells lies,” Cunliffe said

    Cunliffe attacks PM over spy agency
    Prime Minister John Key is a liar and his word can’t be trusted, Labour leader David Cunliffe says. Cunliffe used a speech in Rotorua today to launch a scathing attack on Key and the National Government. He homed in on the continuing controversy around the appointment of Ian Fletcher to head the GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau). “John Key tells lies,” Cunliffe said. “That’s very sad. If the prime minister’s word cannot be trusted we should get rid of him.” He also had a warning for Key over any future comments he might make about the GCSB appointment. “Be careful what you say in public. We are…
    http://article.wn.com/view/2014/05/22/Cunliffe_attacks_PM_over_spy_agency/ [Worldnews]
    also
    http://whoar.co.nz/2014/prime-minister-john-key-is-a-liar-and-his-word-cant-be-trusted-labour-leader-david-cunliffe-says/

    As Whaleoil points out “Late afternoon yesterday Fairfax via their Stuff website posted an article about David Cunliffe going all nasty and calling the PM a liar. [Then a] new article – on the same URL – is substantially changed, with additional unrelated details added and all the quotes from David Cunliffe about the Prime Minister expunged.”

    Why?
    Normally the speech given would be available on Labour’s website, but there appears to be nothing.
    Is the whole issue a Cunliffe gaff, which is actionable and itself of questionable veracity?
    “Be careful what you say in public.” Cunnliffe is reported to have said. Maybe Cunliffe does not heed his own advice and has fucked up fatally.

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/mainstream-media-cant-trusted/#more-137269 please return here :-)

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  25. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Between takanini and manurewa heading north Griff and his brother always use the crawl lane because they can do the posted limit of 100kmh the traffic in the other two is always restricted by law breaking wankers who ignore the first rule in the road code
    Keep to the left unless overtaking.
    In thirty five years of driving I have seen only one car pulled over by police for failing to keep left
    Just a day or so a year spent by the police enforcing this rule would make an impact on our trip times and also make driving less stressful and safer for all.
    http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left.html

    Keeping left on a laned road

    Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

    When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

    Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

    keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
    don’t use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

    The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

    you want to pass another vehicle
    you want to turn right
    the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked.

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ griffith (1,077 comments) says:
    May 23rd, 2014 at 9:24 am

    I agree Griffith and I think any driver able to put aside their politics and think rationally would agree with you.
    To argue that trucks in the outer lanes don’t hold up traffic is nonsensical, and even truck drivers I’ve spoken to acknowledge this. However, some argue are that they have a job to do, and are vital to the running of the country and therefore should be allowed to do it and not be slowed down and less productive by having to move over. Others have no problem with the proposal – I guess it entirely depends on their contracts and time limits.

    For the private driver like myself – I’d rather they took most of the long haul trucks off the roads and made more use of our rail system.

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  27. greybeard (61 comments) says:

    We have become used to the commenter called ‘dime’ using illeism for some reason, but now I see the commenter called ‘griffith’ or ‘griff’ has also starting using this literary device.
    Why ?

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  28. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    Griff, you AGW zealot should never travel by car since you are consuming petrol and damaging Gaia.
    Be honest, stick to your principles, hire a horse and get going.

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  29. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    Come the revolution Yoza swears that those whom repeatedly refer to themselves in the third-person will be first against the wall!

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  30. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Griff has been using this allusion for around 5,000 comments….. it is part of the recognized kb culture.
    As I have pointed out prior
    I AM NOT REALLY GRIFF.
    Griff/griffIth tm exists only on kb and the person Griff /griffith is only a figment of my imagination.
    If I chose to use Griff /griffith in the third person this is actually semantically correct.

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  31. MH (753 comments) says:

    the rumours are Government cabinet ministers are to be issued with sidearms (again purported to be 3 round Dip-low-matics) especialy those returning from overseas trade missions. The savings of course will be in the reduction of loyal opposition MP’s and the Protection Squad. The photos of Collins appears to show her aiming a bit below the belt, as instructed, near the revolver section.

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  32. stephieboy (3,046 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,561 comments) says:
    May 23rd, 2014 at 8:57 am

    And is there also any reason why we should trust conspiracy theorists who are known to quote mine , exaggerate and embellish information.?

    Yoza , revolutions of the kind your referring to and support have a very predictable way of panning out.

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  33. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
    Poe’s Law states:[1]
    “”Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.

    It is an observation that it’s difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of fundamentalism or other extreme views and their genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane. For example, some conservatives consider noted homophobe Fred Phelps to have been so over-the-top that they argue he was a “deep cover liberal” trying to discredit more mainstream homophobes.

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  34. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    As if these Islamic savages fear the UN: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8849185/nigeria-hit-by-missing-girls-protest

    The United Nations has imposed sanctions on Boko Haram, blacklisting it as an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist organisation as protesters stepped up demands on Nigeria to secure the release of 200 kidnapped schoolgirls.

    The terror designation, immediately welcomed by the United States, subjects Boko Haram to an arms embargo and asset freeze, though it remains unclear what practical impact it will have.

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  35. minus (193 comments) says:

    UPDATE – “John Key tells lies,” Cunliffe said

    The stuff.co.nz item “Cunliffe attacks PM over spy agency” 

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10073284/Cunliffe-attacks-PM-over-spy-agency
    which earlier said –

    Cunliffe used a speech in Rotorua today to launch a scathing attack on Key and the National Government. He homed in on the continuing controversy around the appointment of Ian Fletcher to head the GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau). “John Key tells lies,” Cunliffe said. “That’s very sad. If the prime minister’s word cannot be trusted we should get rid of him.”

    deletes that comment and now carries the remark –
    * This story has been edited to provide background and balance. An earlier version was published before these steps were taken.

    Oh, really? Is this now weasel words for a cover-up of a Cunliffe gaffe that is likely libelous?
    And who initiated that – stuff or Cunliffe’s War Room?

    where they haven’t any ability to delete it –
    http://article.wn.com/view/2014/05/22/Cunliffe_attacks_PM_over_spy_agency/ [Worldnews] 
also

    http://whoar.co.nz/2014/prime-minister-john-key-is-a-liar-and-his-word-cant-be-trusted-labour-leader-david-cunliffe-says/ and –
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/mainstream-media-cant-trusted/#more-137269 please return here :-)

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  36. MH (753 comments) says:

    maybe the black members of Boko Harem will turn a whiter shade of pale with a few drones hovering over them.

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  37. stephieboy (3,046 comments) says:

    I see Ed Snack on Topics for Campbell claims he’s an expert on Birtherism therefore ideal as a research assistant for the Campbell Live on the said subject. I hope included is an item on his idol Ted Cruz too just for balance .
    He might like also seek the sponsorship and assistance of Colin Craig and promote an episode on the fakery of the Apollo Moon landings .

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  38. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You will be pleased to know this morning the PM said the we were known for our “honesty in Government and sport.” Is that true?

    I really wish that it was. Key usually comes across as a straightforward guy IMO, but there have been the “memory fades” and now the new accusations. You’ve probably heard the joke: “Q: How do you tell if a politician is lying? A: Their lips are moving.” Fact is that politicians will spin anything if it is in their interest to do so, but spin is not the same as lying, which involves an actual falsehood as well as intent to mislead or deceive. In defence of Key, if he has been lying about the Dotcom raid then it is probably a lie borne of pragmatism rather than a lie borne of cronyism. What I mean by that is that if he has been lying then he was lying because he believed that it was in the interests of New Zealand for him to do so.

    Can I trust him when he says that when he has lied to me?

    No. A true liar will pile lie upon lie in order to remain consistent with his original story. On day-to-day issues, sure, you can trust him. Where you can’t trust him is when a reasonable interpretation of the facts is at odds with his position, eg his dismissal of “conspiracy theory”, specifically the US involvement in the terrorism of 9/11 or the relationship between US security interests and Fletcher’s appointment.

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I see Ed Snack on Topics for Campbell claims he’s an expert on Birtherism…

    Really, stevieboy?

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  40. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    The Maori Party has picked former Christchurch deputy mayor Ngaire Button as its Te Tai Tonga candidate.

    Button, of Tuhoe and Ngati Porou descent, brought an astute business mind and an impressive background in local body politics to the Maori Party agenda, co-leader Tariana Turia said.

    She was deputy mayor “during times when the people were shattered by the traumatic impact of the 2011 earthquakes”.

    Te Tai Tonga is the country’s biggest seat taking in all of the South Island, Stewart Island, the Chatham Islands, Wellington and parts of the Hutt Valley as far north as Avalon.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10076836/Maori-Party-picks-former-deputy-Christchurch-mayor

    That will set the election alight in the South.
    It is held by Labour’s Rino Tirikatene who in 2011 won with a majority of 1475 over the Maori Party’s Rahui Katene.

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  41. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    You will be pleased to know this morning the PM said the we were known for our “honesty in Government and sport.”

    It’s a bit like those TV adds that claim a certain product is ‘New Zealand’s best’ but don’t offer any indication of who the judges were.

    Known by whom? The appropriately blinkered members of the community perhaps?

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  42. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    South American Coffee Blight To Cause Severe Caffeine Deficiency

    Widespread coffee leaf ‘rust’ resulting in coffee plan devastation, loss of jobs, and eventually a change in coffee exports to the US

    South America is one of the main coffee importers of coffee. Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and El Salvador have all been affected by the recent blight. The rain continues to arrive, but still plantations are producing damaged bushes.

    Because of what a large industry coffee is in these countries, over half a million people have been out of work because of the severe damage to the plants. Because of job loss, migration to the U.S., and subsequently crime, have increased.

    The rust usually doesn’t exist in the coffee-growing conditions, but because of a change of climate, it can now thrive on the plants. “No one imagined that it could thrive in that environment and go airborne,” said Christian Wolthers to the McClatchy News. As a past president of the Specialty Coffee Association of America, he has observed the coffee industry over the years.

    Usually, pesticides have been able to kill off the rust, but in this case, the climate and environment over powered the herbicides. Farmers are looking for alternative ways to assist the situation, and hopefully keep the countries that they export to, like America, running on coffee.

    http://www.thedailymeal.com/south-american-coffee-blight-cause-severe-caffeine-deficiency

    OK. so I hope you guys remembered what I said last year about the Bilderbergers and coffee high on their agenda as a growth industry they will cripple. Look no further. After smoking and alcohol are crippled industries, coffee will be the next on the agenda.

    Also, the closure of state housing will result in houses being down sized to shoe box accomodation. Watch the new developments of low cost accomodation from the state. Apparently new state homes are being moved into midle class areas instead of being concentrated. The middle class will become over rated then be forced into shoe box accomodation themselves. Then every one will be in little boxes and not just by the sea side.

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  43. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    ““Q: How do you tell if a politician is lying? A: Their lips are moving.”

    someone told me a lot of tone in J Keys voice is fear. Not surprised after the so called suicides of around fourty bankers around the world. Elite people with the world at their feet decide to kill themselves. Unbelievable…..and yet…… it’s believed. You can bet J Key knows.

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  44. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “maybe the black members of Boko Harem will turn a whiter shade of pale with a few drones hovering over them.”

    Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff

    The world and it’s military can’t even find a missing airplane.

    Can’t satellite surveillance be retrieved. What about using a nuclear sub.

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  45. lilman (959 comments) says:

    I know what you mean Judith,its like saying” David Bain wouldn’t lie to anyone.”

    Cant have one rule for one and not the other.

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  46. MH (753 comments) says:

    Like politicians skipping the light fandango
    turned cartwheels ‘crossing the floor
    I was feeling kinda seasick
    but the crowd called out for more
    The drone was humming harder
    as it blew the ceiling away
    When we called out for another strike
    the Key waiter brought in the fray

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    MH

    Brilliant verbal doodle

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  48. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “but assailants now increasingly target public places, and not particular individuals, which is “a hallmark of modern terrorism,” said Clarke.”

    Which confirms to me terroism is not ideological at all but state financed through the CIA as has been revealed.

    Leadership needs to be attacked to be truly successful. Not innocent pawns.

    Bin Laden had th efinance to attack the finacial and political core of the US to cripple the nation.

    A CIA psyop would only target civilian centres.

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  49. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    ” ‘dime’ using illeism for some reason,”

    He gets away with it cause he’s so entertaining.

    He’s a complete Nazi but even I like him.

    Hard worker and deserves his success.

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  50. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    ‘Dodgy John is going …going … going …..’

    I tried to get on Sean Plonker’s show to remind them of THE LAW relating to the definition of ‘anonymous’ donations, as it applied in 2010.

    The producer wouldn’t let me on. As soon as I said my name – he cut me off.

    I rang back to ask why he did that and he cut me off again.

    I wasn’t actually expecting that PIVOTAL evidence – best evidence – directly from the horse’s (rat’s) mouth – John Banks’ recorded interview with Police.

    Banks has put his defence in the BLENDER, and even if David Jones QC was a superhuman Perry Mason on STEROIDS – there is no way he can turn that evidential ‘goatsh*t into honey’.

    Lying his teeth off to the Police?

    It wasn’t a ‘sworn statement’ – so it’s not subject to a perjury charge – but do you really think the Judge is going to like that?

    In my considered opinion, it is no longer a question of whether John Banks is going to be convicted – it’s for how long is he going to be imprisoned.

    We shall see…. Monday is more PIVOTAL evidence – the evidence of the CEO of Sky City – Nigel Morrison (from whom Banks ‘forgot’ he received a cheque which Nigel personally handed over, at a special meeting convened for just that purpose ……)

    Whose coming?

    Monday 26 May 2014, 10am Auckland High Court Waterloo Quadrant.

    Penny Bright

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  51. kowtow (8,463 comments) says:

    WTF is “illeism”?

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  52. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    The corrupt Miss Dim, the woman who refuses to pay her rates, disgraces KB with her presence.

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  53. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    Could someone tell Len the Lecher? http://lifestyle.msn.co.nz/nzmenslifestyle/latestnews/8849012/most-men-last-five-minutes-sex-guidelines

    The corrupt socialist mayor has a long way to go: from thirty seconds to five minutes!

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    It’s time to take a stand on Paul Henry

    Last Thursday’s show, when he picked on a hard-working Parliamentary Services worker and made fun of their job – and more disturbingly the person themselves, was a return to the bad old days.

    See, this person was on screen during a Parliamentary session and didn’t have a figure like the women Henry presumably thinks of as ‘normal’.

    Cue giggling and mockery – classic Henry, right down to the sneering emphasis on ‘women’ as if her figure made it difficult to tell, or indeed as if it mattered in the slightest.

    Henry has apologised, of course, defending what he did as ‘satirical’ and saying it wasn’t his intention to offend.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/couch-potato/10076897/Its-time-to-take-a-stand-on-Paul-Henry

    Is Paul Henry Kiwi Blog on steroids?

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  55. Manolo (13,765 comments) says:

    UT moonlights as a writer of fiction in his spare time: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/they-huffed-and-puffed-and-blew-the-buildings-down-aussie-book-for-kids-says-911-was-a-conspiracy/story-fnet085v-1226928238866

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  56. Nostradamus (3,324 comments) says:

    Penny Not-So comes on to Kiwiblog, cocks her leg, pisses all over the thread, then fucks off.

    In my considered opinion, it is no longer a question of whether John Banks is going to be convicted – it’s for how long is he going to be imprisoned.

    Rule of law = the judge hears the evidence before making a decision (or, applying a lower threshold, before thinking about what that decision is likely to be).

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  57. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    The Maori Party has selected former Christchurch Deputy Mayor Ngaire Button as its candidate for the Te Tai Tonga electorate. What is up with this party? Don’t they know that she was ceremoniously dumped by the voters of Christchurch in the local body elections because she was utterly hopeless as a city councillor? She will be a liability and Labour will increase its electorate vote.

    What will amaze most folk in the garden city is that, despite the Maori resonance of her Christian name, she even qualifies to stand for the Maori Party. Maori? Ngaire Button? Pull the other one!

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  58. stephieboy (3,046 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth,

    Just a small sampling of the deception 9/11 Tuthers use through quote mining and mis quoting,,

    http://www.jod911.com/evidence.pdf

    Ed Snack an expert on Bitherism.? Well he appears to claim thus at 4.58pm, yesterday

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/future_topics_for_campbell_live.html#comments

    As I’ve stated I hope he ,in this capacity , brings some balance to bear by using his hero Ted Cruz for comparison and contrast.
    The problem with the Ed Snack types and Birthers is that even if you produced a document authenticating Obamas birth they still would say it was faked. That would include even if there was e.g a mere smudge on the birth registry stamp.This why I regard. many Birthers, like most 9/11 Truthers , a rather dishonest bunch.

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  59. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Katie griff says if you goggle the word you will be less of an illiterate fool.

    here to make it simple hence manageable for you is the wiki entry.
    One click love and you will know.

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  60. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    From memory, John Banks stated that he was handed an envelope by Morrisson. Why did Sky city want their donation to be acknowledged? It was under the declaration threshold anyway, was it so they could escape any thoughts re bias or hedging their bets. It sounded at the time that Brown was donated to first and Banks as an after thought, does any one know?

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Come the revolution Yoza swears that those whom repeatedly refer to themselves in the third-person will be first against the wall!”

    Dime can breath very easily and sleep the sleep of the innocent

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Keeping left on a laned road”

    absolutely. Most accidents aren’t speed at all but moving out of the lane.

    you can’t have a front end collision in your own lane.

    Staying in your lane should be the real PR programme police should facilitate.

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  63. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Ed Snack an expert on Bitherism.? Well he appears to claim thus at 4.58pm, yesterday

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/future_topics_for_campbell_live.html#comments

    Let’s remember, Obama’s birth cert has been proved a forgery and Obama himself has forbidden the media from continuing with the issue. Hence no more reporting of it.

    But….. the leading birther proponents have seem to be stymied in their progress. Sheriff Joe Arapoho esp has been silent. A silence sadly I cannot defend. Only time will tell.

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  64. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Thanks to the ‘John Banks case’ – the Local Electoral Act 2001 was amended.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2001/0035/latest/DLM5315333.html

    However – the LAW regarding the definition of ‘anonymous’ in December 2010, when John Banks signed his 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate return, was, as I understand it:

    anonymous, in relation to an electoral donation, means a donation that is made in such a way that the candidate who receives the donation—

    does not know the identity of the donor;
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    FYI – here are the amendments to the Local Electoral Act 2001 covering electoral donations and expenses and related matters, so those who are interested, can ‘seek truth from FACTS’?

    Part 5

    Electoral donations and expenses

    Subpart 1—Electoral donations

    103A Interpretation
    103B Donations and contributions include GST
    103C Donations to be transmitted to candidate
    103D Contributors to be identified
    103E Offence relating to contravention of section 103D
    103F Identity of donor to be disclosed by transmitter, if known
    103G Offence relating to contravention of section 103F
    103H Disclosure of identity of donor
    103I Offence relating to contravention of section 103H
    103J Anonymous donation may not exceed $1,500
    103K Offence relating to contravention of section 103J
    103L Records of electoral donations

    Subpart 2—Electoral expenses

    104 Interpretation
    105 Periods for claiming and paying expenses
    106 Procedure if claim disputed
    107 Leave to pay claim after time limited
    108 Payments to be vouched by bill
    109 Return of electoral expenses [Repealed]
    110 Return to be open for public inspection [Repealed]
    111 Maximum amount of electoral expenses
    112 Apportionment of electoral expenses
    112AA Offence to pay electoral expenses in excess of relevant prescribed maximum

    Subpart 3—Return of electoral donations and expenses

    112A Return of electoral donations and expenses
    112B Nil return
    112C Failure to file return of electoral donations and expenses
    112D Filing a false return of electoral donations and expenses
    112E Obligation to retain records necessary to verify return
    112F Return of electoral donations and expenses to be open for public inspection
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    This is NOT a complicated case.

    The very simple question is, as I understand it:

    Did John Banks, as a 2010 Auckland Mayoral candidate, know that Kim Dotcom and Sky City Entertainment Ltd had made a donation to his electoral campaign?

    If he did – then those donations should not have been listed as ‘anonymous’.

    ” anonymous, in relation to an electoral donation, means a donation that is made in such a way that the candidate who receives the donation—

    does not know the identity of the donor;”

    Penny Bright

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  65. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Ah BOYolo – still using words – the meaning thereof that you don’t understand.

    No wonder you don’t put your name to your defamatory posts – you anonymous GUTLESS wonder.

    Penny Bright

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  66. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    You are too corrupt Penny…no wonder they wont let you on the radio !~

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Did Led Zeppelin rip off Stairway to Heaven?

    ccusations of plagiarism in music happen every other day, but what if a song that defined a genre came into question? What if Stairway To Heaven was ripped off another song?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/10067620/Did-Led-Zeppelin-rip-off-Stairway-to-Heaven

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  68. srylands (410 comments) says:

    “Campbell Live pointed to a massive, integrated shift in NZ governance under John Key’s watch. This enhances the power of international trade and commerce, incorporating the GCSB the US, & 5 Eyes . At the centre of this shift, is the murky relationship between John Key & Ian Fletcher.”

    The headline in today’s .. yep you guessed right.

    How does a group of people become so totally, totally deluded? It is not like they are mistaken, or exaggerating. Or there is room for debate. That would be cool. But it is ALL MAKE BELIEVE. That is not cool in a modern, educated country in 2014. It is kind of scary.

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  69. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Stephieboy, you are a right little one-track dipstick aren’t you.

    For all your references you obviously haven’t read what I wrote ! But like I said, the main reason why I’d be a damn sight better as a researcher for a program on birtherism is that I research and read my sources and don’t simply believe the spin being put on information.

    Here’s some true information for you, and please, if you want to deny any of this please cite sources.

    1. Birtherism was started by the Clinton campaign as the started to lose to Obama; it then petered out for a couple of years before being taken up by other generally but not necessarily fanatic Obama “dislikers”;

    2. A 1991 pamphlet printed by his literary agents gave Barack Obama’s birthplace as Kenya, and the same information was also present on their website from around 1994 until 2007 when it was amended to say he was born in Hawaii; This is the primary source for people who want to claim that Obama was born in Kenya (along with a botched recording of an interview with an Obama relative in Kenya who really said she celebrated his birth in Kenya meaning She was in Kenya, not Obama, as is clear from the whole interview). The pamphlet is said to be the result of a mistake by the agency by one of the principals;

    3. Redbaiter in the thread claimed Obama was born in Kenya, I disagreed but pointed out the source of that meme, as a matter of perhaps academic interest;

    4. Also, I pointed out something (of limited interest to most but interesting to me) that in 1961 it was actually possible to gain a Hawaiian birth certificate for a child NOT born in Hawaii by (falsely) attesting that the child had been born in Hawaii but not at a hospital and was not attended by a medical professional. If at a hospital that institution would report the birth, and if attended by a registered professional they would report, but a home birth with no medic present, only the Parents or guardians report the birth. The alleged location of the birth is recorded in Hawaii but is only reported on the “long form” certificate. So the original 2008-9 copy of Obama’s Hawaiian certificate was (as is usual in copies) of the short form, which could (unlikely but not impossible) by both legitimate AND allow him to be actually born elsewhere.

    That possibility could be reduced to a mere statistical improbability (just about nothing is utterly impossible but many things are so unlikely that the heat death of the Universe will happen first) by a review of the more comprehensive “long form”. If that long form listed the place of birth as a hospital and/or listed a medical professional as attending, then it would take a mighty conspiracy indeed to have faked that information into the record. Hence in my opinion stated in the former thread several times, the release of a copy of the long form PLUS the attestation by the head of the Hawaiian department of Health that it was genuine, effectively completely destroyed any remote but feasible claims that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

    5. I also expressed an opinion that one possible reason why the controversy lingered on so long when this slam-dunk data was available at Obama’s say so was political tactics. Obama and his team quite possibly were able to exploit for political advantage the birtherism issue. After all, Donald Trump took up the cause and when the long form was produced, that reduced his chances in the GOP primaries to zero. I’m not convinced that scotching Trump was a useful act, but that’s just my view, nobbled he certainly was.

    So I can see the Stephieboy version of a special documentary on birtherism: Obama was born in Hawaii because he said so, your only objections are racist, shut-up. Not an interesting program really.

    As for Ted Cruz, he’s an interesting guy, I don’t particularly follow him though I do know he was born in Calgary, Canada to a then American citizen mother and a Cuban father who became naturalized in 2005. His father actually fought for Castro early on but fled Cuba in 1958; his sister (Ted’s aunt) stayed on and was imprisoned and tortured by Castro. I’m not sure of how the constitutional qualification “a natural born citizen” would be interpreted as it has never been specifically tested in court, but I would guess that he is more at risk of not meeting that qualification than Obama. It would be interesting; for those Democrats who hate Ted Cruz who argued for a very loose interpretation when the Obama issue was actually looking vaguely threatening, would they do so for Ted as well ?

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  70. Swifty (26 comments) says:

    Big rumble today at 2pm among the congregation of the Stoddard Road mosque. Multiple cops had to separate two groups. Avondale coming to Mt Roskill?

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  71. Grant (443 comments) says:

    @ swifty. I wondered what was going on there when I saw uniforms in the car park, but that was at about 11.00. Very interesting.
    G

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    The hideous truth of student debt slavery

    We are all slaves to these bankers….
    To survive means you have to get an education and getting an education means you have to go to college and take out loans and taking out loans makes you pay for education what it is plus 20% interest fees…

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=562100227239696&set=a.508438032605916.1073742157.114896831960040&type=1

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  73. Swifty (26 comments) says:

    @Grant – quite possibly connected, I drove past several times between 2pm and 2.45pm when things were clearly at a head in the Harvey Norman carpark, right alongside the mosque. Multiple police cars, uniformed and plainclothes police, and maybe twenty highly animated ‘religion of peace’-types separated by police into at least two groups. Not a good advertisement for the brethren so soon after their antics in Avondale.

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  74. cricko (330 comments) says:

    Who can complete this statement ?

    muslim immigrants are good for New Zealand because……..?

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  75. kowtow (8,463 comments) says:

    Big rumble at the mosque?

    Don’t tune in to RNZ or TVNZ for any “news” ,they’ll be doing their best to get out stories on how enriching ” diversity” is for us.

    Even the Sunni Al Jazeera leads its broadcasts with the latest Muslim outrages in China and Nigeria as well as the debacle that the so called Arab Spring is in Egypt and Libya.

    Meanwhile in multicultural Aotearoa……move along ,nothing to see here.

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  76. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Another way at looking at this emerging Muslim dynamic is the moderates are rejecting the more extreme factions from their community’s We do not know yet if it is the same small group of extremists involved in both fights…..
    just sayin.

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  77. kowtow (8,463 comments) says:

    srylands

    You are making the mistake of considering Campbell a bona fides journalist reporting the news.

    Once you see him for the far left socialist activist he has declared himself to be ,you will see that his broadcasts are actually worse than any shite that Pravda or Radio Peking ever published.

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  78. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    On student loans

    When the guaranteed student loans were started the interest was 2% and GUARANTEED not to change. Then came George W and he lifted that and allowed the lenders to add on a percentage of the loan in one lump sum, change the interest rate, and apply penalties

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  79. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    The overhyped, convicted fraudster Krim Dotcon lost another battle in the Auckland District Court today.

    At the centre of the argument is a document called the Record of Case, a summary document from more than 22 million emails obtained by the FBI…. …Auckland District Court Judge Nevin Dawson lifted the prohibition order on the summary of the FBI case in a decision released today

    Unlucky. Roll on July 7th and the Extradition hearing.

    Tick, tick, tick.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60075126/dotcom-loses-record-of-case-fight.html

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  80. Swifty (26 comments) says:

    Agreed Griff. I heard the Avondale spokesperson interviewed on radio the other day, and that’s exactly what he was saying including that the Egyptian sheik (Yer Booty) had repeatedly broken mosque rules by talking about what people should think and do about overseas conflicts including Syria. A ‘no-no’ he maintained, according to their rules, and hence his expulsion.

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  81. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The fact that this has happened should be taken as a point in favor of the vast number of moderates in the NZs Muslim community’s rather than an indictment of all Muslims.
    It always takes far more to incite moderates into any action yet they seem to be intent on pushing the extremists out of their community’s.

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  82. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Well he appears to claim thus at 4.58pm, yesterday

    You mean when he said:

    “So, actually, I think I’d be pretty good as a researcher into a program on birtherism.”

    A claim and an opinion are two different things, and being pretty good does not make you an expert.
    Go take your meds, stevieboy.

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  83. Swifty (26 comments) says:

    Griff, I certainly hope so. It could just be a business dispute though, or similar, we just don’t yet know.

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  84. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

    According to a retired FXX agent specializing in Israeli counter intel: The type of nuclear devices used on 911 were a modified version of the W-54 nuclear artillery shells that were covertly provided to the Israelis between 1988 and 1998 from US surplus stockpiles illegally exported during the Bush/Clinton era.

    Chemical analysis done by DOE Sandi was able to identify the chemical/radiation footprint or fingerprint of the warheads based on samples taken after 911 of the fallout at ground zero.

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  85. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Veterans Today? Still think it’s a credible source?

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  86. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    More credible than you are, milky.

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  87. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Technology for her:

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4njx6l672i7pniw/Future%20dating%201.gif

    Technology for him:

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3az2ngxnsf6j6ak/Future%20dating%202.gif

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  88. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Penny pay up,pay what you owe.

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  89. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    When asked by their host if she would like another drink, the attractive blonde bowed her head slightly and said,

    “No thank you. My husband limits me to one drink.”

    “Why is that,” the host asked?

    Her reply…

    “Because after one drink I can feel it; after two drinks …anyone can

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  90. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    A story with a twist. quite funny.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/_CwHrJt8Oz8?rel=0

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  91. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    Senior Love……. I was in my back yard trying to launch a kite.
    I threw the kite up in the air, the wind would catch it for a few
    Seconds, then it would come crashing back down to earth.
    I tried this a few more times with no success.

    All the while, my wife Vicki is watching from the kitchen window,
    Muttering to herself how men need to be told how to do everything.

    She opens the window and yelled to me,
    ‘You need a piece of tail.’

    I turned with a confused look on my face and yelled back,
    ‘Make up your mind. Last night, you told me to go fly a kite

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  92. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    A carrier is someone who doesn’t show symptoms of an illness but can pass it on to people they come into contact with.

    For example, Russell Norman is a carrier for Tourettes.

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  93. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    HILLBILLY DIVORCE

    A hillbilly farmer who wanted to get a divorce paid a visit to a lawyer. The lawyer said, ‘How can I help you?’ The farmer said, ‘I want to get one of them dayvorces.’

    The lawyer said, ‘Do you have any grounds?’ The farmer said, ‘Yes, I got 40 acres’ The lawyer said, ‘No, No, you don’t understand, Do you have a suit?

    The farmer said, ‘Yes, I got a suit, I wears it to church on Sundays.’ The lawyer said, ‘No, no, I mean, do you have a case?’ The farmer said, ‘No, I ain’t got a Case, but I got a John Deere.

    The lawyer said, ‘No, I mean, do you have a grudge?’ The farmer said,’Yes, I got a grudge, that’s where I parks the John Deere’

    The lawyer said, ‘Does your wife beat you up or something?’ The farmer said, ‘No, we both get up at 4:30.’

    By now the lawyer is getting frustrated but tries one last question …The lawyer said, ‘Is your wife a nagger?’ The farmer said, ‘No, she’s a little white gal, but our last child was a nagger and that’s why I wants a dayvorce.’

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  94. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    For example, Russell Norman is a carrier for Tourettes.

    Wussel makes me lisp online nasska. What’s that called and can I take some time off work and get some cash for it? Plus star in a Fair Go episode featuring Wussel and other nasties who made me turn out like that in the first place? I mean I never used to do it before they came along so it must be their fault.

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  95. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    ….”Wussel makes me lisp online nasska”…..

    One of life’s great mysteries has been explained Reid. :)

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  96. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    One of life’s great mysteries has been explained Reid.

    He also makes me point my toes toward each other when I walk, dribble and poo my pants more than usual but you guys never see any of that which is probably quite a good thing, all things considered.

    But vewy distwessing, nevertheless.

    I’m a victim you see. Of Wussel. He’s just a gweat big meanie, and I can’t wait to tell NZ all about him, on Campbell Live maybe, as soon as they stop reporting conspiwacy theowies and start on the real stories about real people…

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  97. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    “For example, Russell Norman is a carrier for Tourettes.”

    His co-leader is a carrier of 10BMI’s more than her stature would regard as optimum! :)

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  98. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What is it with the faux lisp thing? I hadn’t noticed Russel Norman lisping at all.

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  99. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Tywing to exist in Whamilton should swhoon stwhatin you out Weid ! :)

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  100. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    WHOBM whill be wisping twhomorrow after Whainui gwive twhim a thwik whlip mhilkey! :)

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  101. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think not Johnboy. It’ll be a good evening in the Bell.

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  102. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    It’s a very nice place Johnboy, seriously under-rated. Thanks for following me up when I went AWOL from KB BTW, very good of you to do that.

    I’ll be back there when the property sells and let’s catch up then, I’ll be in touch.

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  103. Viking2 (11,469 comments) says:

    https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/eqEkPjUbmIA?rel=0

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  104. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Dhowning your swhorrows in the arwhms of Dhwionysus or Bhwaccus whill not wheduce the pwhain of utter dewheat mwhilkey! :)

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  105. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’ll be a small victory celebration, Johnboy. Only a small one, as a win over Wainui is pretty much taken for granted.

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  106. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    The air in Hamilton seems to have cured your lisp Reid?

    I seem to be catching a bad dose of it! :)

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  107. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And you’ll have the shits when you see what Hutt does to Wainui…

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  108. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I suppose you’ve cleared a win with the Vatican milkey. Pope Francis isn’t big on posers, so don’t get too cocky just yet! :)

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  109. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Reid
    unfortunately I piped up this moaning when someone asked after you.
    dang.
    You have killed what little creditability I retain.
    I said you would return in a week or two….
    moments before you posted.
    still as a Hamiltonian I amsure you ill add an even more unquie slant on the world affaires

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  110. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    What is it with the faux lisp thing?

    I don’t know why other people do it mm but personally I’ve always done it because to me, in my juvenile, childish and immature way, it simply personifies the absolute useless patheticularity of your typical common-or-garden lefty and that’s why I use it and use it a lot.

    I mean every single time any lefty politician opens their moronic mouth, more naive childish idiocy your average 10-year-old could have thought of spews out which for some reason equally moronic, naive, childish and idiotic journalists breathlessly report, as if even a jot of it is worth listening to, which it isn’t, if you’re over 10.

    I got very sick indeed of this state of affairs many many years ago but rather than go postal like others have done to release similar pressure, I merely started lisping on political blogs and the uptake of that over the years has been most gratifying in an amusing, bwahaha sort of way.

    So that’s why I do it. I’ve noticed you don’t though mm. Why is that? Too childish for you? And yet, you… but I do go on, don’t I.

    I said you would return in a week or two….

    Sorry griff, we must coordinate next time.

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  111. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    “I said you would return in a week or two….”

    So true. Reid’s a bit more measured in his response than Jesus! :)

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  112. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    milkey (Mike) is a socialist Reid and had to lisp all his almost life in the public service so finds non-lisping freedom here in his KB afterlife so invigorating! :)

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  113. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t call myself a socialist Johnboy. Although socialising some services like health and education makes good sense, I’m opposed to a wider application.

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  114. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Lets face it milkey you only don’t consider yourself a socialist since you retired with a nice government pension when all those years as a PSA man you espoused the union line. :)

    Hypocrite is a word that springs to mind! :)

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  115. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s been a long time since I was a PSA man and pension time is still a long way off.

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  116. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Thanks Mike. I’m filling in the gaps on my pegboard! :)

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  117. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Rationalist ……
    miky has slowly lost the hard Marxist edge and steely lisp required to be a true socialist
    Instead he sometimes even thinks passing laws to micro manage us aint a good idea.

    its redblather I worry about he seems even more confused and is even showing signs of the Orwellian type mind control by double speak
    freedom comes though tougher laws.
    you are free if you do only as I say.

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  118. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t call myself a socialist

    No indeed. You are an extortionist.

    You and your fellow union scum fucked over the ordinary workers to line your own pockets.

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  119. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Here’s a bit of good news:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10077750/Vasectomies-offered-free-in-Counties-Manukau

    The real concern is in the words “be sure his family is complete”. They should have just said 10 to 15 sprogs is more than enough.

    Not offered in Epsom or Oriental Bay I see! :)

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  120. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Oh dear its watytwaty.

    Griff has been a unionist and shop steward.

    In the fine tradition followed by his Marxist scum buddy’s.

    D Garret and Sir R Douglas.

    Two of the BEST free market right wing politicians that NZ has ever had.

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  121. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Johnboy then is a paragon of conservatism compared to Garret and Douglas griff.

    In 46 years of almost continuous contributions to the taxation of NZ I have only been a reluctant member of a union for six weeks at GM Petone (much against my will I might add) when I was in between real jobs for a short period of time.

    I can honestly say that all the union folks I have ever had dealings with in my life have been rather sad, pathetic little wankers! :)

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  122. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    In the fine tradition followed by his Marxist scum buddy’s.

    To be fair Mike doesn’t and never has seemed to me to be a lefty. That’s why I’ve never lisped him.

    Even if he doesn’t seem to know how to think properly, on certain subjects.

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  123. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    He can’t think properly in regards to the superiority of Wainui over HOBM Reid hence I regretfully had to lisp him.

    He’s a bit of a union man so you could lisp him if you had some spare time and weren’t busy lisping other more important folk! :)

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  124. Nostradamus (3,324 comments) says:

    mikenmild:

    It’s been a long time since I was a PSA man and pension time is still a long way off.

    Uh oh, sorry Mikenmild, I hope this won’t affect your entitlement to the pension. Perhaps, when that time comes, it’s best you change your bank account details from Mikenmild to something else – like MikenMaximiseMyPension :)

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  125. Reid (16,447 comments) says:

    Johnboy I was a union rep 30 years ago at the IRD Branch in Henderson. We had a very hot summer one year and renovations at our office had taken out the aircon. So I fronted an initiative to install temporary conditioners so we could all be comfortable while we added up all the money you guys needed to pay the country so we could afford things like temporary aircon for us. It gave me a nice warm glow in my tummy at the time, but that wore off as I morphed into a ruthless venture capitalist and built my giant laser cannon on Waiheke, which I later used to shoot down Atlantis and get Hulun elected to the UN on the strength of I wasn’t kidding around, anymore. Watch what happens when she gets UN S-G. She owes me.

    I won’t need to lisp anymore then, I’ll be able to play NATO like a violin.

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  126. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Good point Nostradamus. I have to wait till I get home from work and cook tea and do the dishes before my wife will let me play on KB and this Mike asshole gets to comment all day cause he’s a bloody socialist!

    Fuck I better join HOBM! :)

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  127. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Will you get a Mini Reid…mmmmh? :)

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  128. Rowan (2,345 comments) says:

    Not a blues supporter but I thought they were hard done by from a poor performance from referee Nick Briant, especially with the second ‘try’ scored by the Sharks which was the difference between the two sides. I just expect basic competence from the referee and touch judges and the turnover from the Sharks player who was offside and knocked the ball on before the halfback scored the ‘try’ was a very poor call. The Sharks are also serial offenders at the breakdown and I noticed at least 4 times the Blues were wrongly penalised on attack, which the commentators also picked up on, it would be nice if the Sharks were not given points on the table due to poor refereeing decisions. Lets hope that they do not end up winning the competition!

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  129. cha (4,011 comments) says:

    What’s not to like.

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  130. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    “I just expect basic competence from the referee ..”

    Yet not a peep a couple of years ago when your beloved, self-professed “invincible” All Blacks ‘won’ a rather dubious World Cup final courtesy of a terrified referee in the most laughably one-eyed refereeing performance in modern rugby history.
    NZ rugby fans have remarkably short memories…

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  131. Rowan (2,345 comments) says:

    LK
    I actually agree with you, it was a poor performance and the whole 2011 WC a bit of a farce! This does not excuse refereeing incompetence as demonstrated by Briant last night!

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