General Debate 24 May 2014

May 24th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    Boomshanka!

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  2. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

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  3. lolitasbrother (686 comments) says:

    what Boomshanka that you say dude, I think you mean a NZ Nat Government 2014 and 2017

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  4. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    I fail to see why police like other government employees like teachers remain on full pay when there are such a strong case against them. This would never happen in the public sector.

    Cop stood down over sex selfie

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11260759

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Christopher Finlayson schooled Jacinda Ardern yesterday over her criticism of the Arts budget allocation. She has repeated the criticism a number of times, despite it being pointed out to her that she’s wrong.

    There’s a strategic reference to the film industry as well, reminding us all of Ms Ardern’s Hobbit hypocrisy…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/finlayson-on-financial-illiteracy.html

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  6. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    The CEO of car-maker Fiat asks people not to buy their electric car because they lose $14,000 every time someone does.

    Speaking at a conference in Washington on Wednesday, Marchionne said Tesla Motors Inc was the only company making money on electric cars and that was because of the higher price point for its Model S sedan. Decrying the federal and state mandates that push manufacturers to build electric cars, Marchionne said he hoped to sell the minimum number of 500e cars possible.

    “I hope you don’t buy it because every time I sell one it costs me $14,000,” he said to the audience at the Brookings Institution about the 500e. “I’m honest enough to tell you that.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/chrsyelr-ceo-evs-idUSL1N0O71MS20140521

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  7. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    “The most recent satellite derived global sea level rise study available (abstract link below) determined that the rate shows no acceleration whatsoever in the period from 1992 to 2011 and amounts to only about 7 inches per century. Specifically this sea level rise study notes:

    “We use 1277 tide gauge records since 1807 to provide an improved global sea level reconstruction and analyse the evolution of sea level trend and acceleration.”

    “The new reconstruction suggests a linear trend of 1.9 ± 0.3 mm·yr- 1 during the 20th century, with 1.8 ± 0.5 mm·yr- 1 since 1970.”
    The authors of this latest Antarctica ice loss study estimate that the rate of global sea level rise contributed by their measured Antarctica ice loss results is about 0.45 mm per year which is about the thickness of a human fingernail.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113002750#f0015

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  8. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    No-good, PC cultural Marxists desecrate a site sacred to New Zealand’s indigenous Aryan population:
    http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/honouring-obelisk.html

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  9. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Michelle Fields strikes again. She went to the National Mall in Washington to quiz self-described environmentalists on whether global warming or global cooling is the problem. Take a look.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCeq8DFroM

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  10. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I see ACC has shelled out $43 million in one year to fund pseudoscience.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10079063/Big-bill-for-alternative-health

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  11. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    KS. 8.29am. Good post. I was a few feet from Ardern and Alfs mate when they pushed in front of Hobbit fans to get onto the red carpet. A number of people shouted abuse at them but it was water off a ducks back. Actually she was very excited with her pearly whites flashing in the sun. Hypocricy !!!!!!!

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  12. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    How the hell did that Iman get into NZ?

    Under police surveillance, on a USA terrorist watch list.

    Worst of all has seven kids, refuses to work and is on a fuckin benefit.

    He has also breached our religious laws by telling his supporters at the Mosque in 2011 they would be infidels if they carried NZ flags or supported the All Blacks. Doesn’t he now that is just reason for us to start a jihad against him.

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  13. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    UKIP advances: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/world/europe/britain-elections.html?_r=0
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636838/Big-parties-braced-Fallout-Friday-Ukip-surge-polls.html

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  14. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Following on from the Abbott thread yesterday here are some interesting figures comparing Aussie and NZ

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/australians_smash_kiwis_again_at_the_handout_olympics/

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  15. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Scott Hamilton,

    good one with that link to the “Stonehemge for racists.” Everyone who feels so inclined should do what the gentleman has done to those volcanic rocks.A suitable homage to our laughable local Aryan pseudo scientists and historians.

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  16. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    With another scandal exploding in his face – veterans dying due to their health care being rationed – I see Obama has been reacting in exactly the same way that he always does, professing that he first found out about it via media reports, then telling everybody about how outraged and angry he is about it, and how he won’t tolerate the situation. If history is any guide we’re only months away from the whole thing being pronounced as a GOP beat-up meme and a phoney scandal with nothing really wrong at its core.

    But I did like this take on Obama from National Review:

    He’s been described as acting like a bystander to his own presidency, but it’s more like he’s a victim of it, as though the presidency were this terrible thing that just happened to him one day that he’s now courageously dealing with.

    Heh, heh, heh!

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  17. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Good post at 8.21 Griff.

    Up-vote: 97 Down-vote: 3

    :)

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  18. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well, all health care is rationed one way or another. I think the scandal is not that but the appalling treatment some of the veterans have received in sub-standard facilities.

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  19. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red
    I have accused you often of being a lying fucknukle
    so why do you insist on repeating easily checked bullshit lies?
    You totally misrepresented your study
    You state
    “The most recent satellite derived global sea level rise study available (abstract link below)
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113002750#f0015
    Abstract

    We use 1277 tide gauge records since 1807 to provide an improved global sea level reconstruction and analyse the evolution of sea level trend and acceleration. In particular we use new data from the polar regions and remote islands to improve data coverage and extend the reconstruction to 2009. There is a good agreement between the rate of sea level rise (3.2 ± 0.4 mm·yr− 1) calculated from satellite altimetry and the rate of 3.1 ± 0.6 mm·yr− 1 from tide gauge based reconstruction for the overlapping time period (1993–2009).

    Its a tide gauge based reconstruction and it gives 3.1mm a year for the latest rise!!!!!
    are you sooo thick that you are incapable of understanding English or did you get that from some wing nut site without actually reading the link?

    Stop the bullshiting lying idiot.

    [DPF: 10 demerits]

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  20. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    How the hell did that Iman get into NZ?

    In his iPod?

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  21. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Griff
    I made no personal comment at all but just presented the Paper. Why do you continue with abuse? I count over 30 abusive posts from you. You are a stalker and cyber bully. Does your father know you behave like this? Do you think he would be proud?
    You really need to get some help.

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  22. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    We should note that it is most reasonable to expect from our Muslim community, including their Imrans , the same level of willingness to abide by the same set of laws as our other religious groups ,whether Buddhists,Hare Krishna’s ,Sikhs,Hindus, Christians etc.
    Otherwise fast track deportation .!

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  23. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock’s 8.29 post says “Christopher Finlayson schooled Jacinda Ardern yesterday”.

    That would be the Chris Finlayson who also schooled Ngai Tahu as their legal counsel when they got their sweetheart settlement, and the Chris Finlayson, who years later and now Treaty Minister, signed the tribe’s top-up.

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  24. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I have just reason to call you a thicko or a lying idiot
    the abstract you linked to is posted and is totally misrepresented by you again.

    And yet you still claim to have some sort of high ground and insist on tying to bring my father into it.
    for your information I just discussed this with dad.
    he said some people really are that thick…..!!!
    :lol:
    STOP THE BULLSHITING.

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  25. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    I think the scandal is not that but the appalling treatment some of the veterans have received in sub-standard facilities

    Of course you do. More money and better management will fix the problems. As Jon Stewart said several years ago during the fight over Obamacare: why can’t everybody in the US have VA healthcare?

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  26. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You think there is some way for health care not to be rationed?

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  27. wf (441 comments) says:

    Stop the name calling you two. It’s only 10 o’clock – in the morning. Leave your computers, go and mow the lawns, or rake up leaves or whatever, and let some fresh air purify your brain cells.

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  28. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s raining, so I can’t mow my lawn. Maybe tomorrow…

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  29. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Griff
    There is no excuse for your constant abuse. You obviously didn’t understand the abstract or read the Paper, which is basically stating that the satellite data and the tidal gauges agree that rise is about (and only) 3 mm per year. Their point is, is that both sets of data source agree. Ok, both sources agree, which means that it’s more likely to be an accurate statement that sea level rise is currently only 3 mm per year.
    Do you get it now?
    I’ve reported your abuse

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  30. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    You think there is some way for health care not to be rationed?

    Absolutely. Give the veterans the money and let them decide where to spend it. Let them escape from this wonderful government monopoly. It can still be there as an emergency backup for those who get failed by the private system – it might even work better if it just focused on the worst cases.

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  31. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It will still be rationed unless you give the veterans unlimited funding.

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  32. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    Are their healthcare needs unlimited?

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  33. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Potentially. All systems of health care necessarily inolve some form of rationing. I take it that your proposal to fund the veterans directly would not involve spending more per capita on veterans’ health.

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  34. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild (9,478 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    Hey, if it works and gets them back to work, I don’t care if they pay someone to teach them to stand on their heads. Anything to get them functional again.

    Were there any figures to show those people using the alternative measures were able to return to work? Whilst doctors might say it doesn’t work, and perhaps it doesn’t technically, but if it allows the person to believe they are feeling better, (the placebo effect) and they can get off ACC, that can’t be bad, can it? Providing of course they don’t reappear in a couple of months having realised they are still in pain.

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild (9,479 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    It’s raining, so I can’t mow my lawn. Maybe tomorrow…

    Lawn mowers work in the rain, and if you don’t have a rain coat I can loan you one. It’s only been raining a few hours, the ground won’t be sodden yet, so no ridges etc.

    Honestly, you men are SO lazy! :P

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  36. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Before considering the rationing of healthcare maybe the US should consider how that care is currently provided. The figures (2012) released by WHO would suggest that for all the bitching & whinging, NZ beats the Yanks hands down.

    We spend $3292 against their $8895/person/year representing 10.3% of GDP (17.9%) for life expectancy of 80(M) & 84(F) against the US 76/81. Infant mortality is lower in NZ too.

    Ref: http://www.who.int/countries/nzl/en/ Ref: http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/

    Whatever the idiot Obama has accomplished seems pretty scungy when compared with what we do on a comparative shoestring.

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  37. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I don’t like mowing wet grass.

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  38. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    This newest analysis of the most comprehensive data set available suggests that there has been no dramatic increase – or any increase, for that matter – in the mean rate of global sea level rise due to the historical increase in the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/20/new-study-finds-sea-levels-rising-only-7-in-per-century-with-no-acceleration/

    This is a helpful chart to contrast the reality of the secular sea level rise with the alarmist claims:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/if-you-like-your-skyrocketing-electricity-prices-you-can-keep-your-skyrocketing-electricity-prices/

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  39. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Judith

    Lawn mowing is work worthy only of sheep. :)

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  40. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    Why would their healthcare needs be potentially unlimited?

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  41. stigie (1,172 comments) says:

    @Milky

    Diddims

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes nasska, but that’s down to us having a sensibly socialised system of health care – anathema to tom.
    tom, whatever you spend on health you could always spend more. All health care is rationed one way or another. If there is a socialised system it is rationed by the overall amount voted by parliament – that has to be divvied up by a series of rules and regulations. If it is an insurance-based system then the care will be rationed by the rules made by the insurers. If you give the money to the individuals, it will not be enough to meet some individuals’ needs, while others will overspend. There is no one perfect solution, but all involve rationing in one way or another.

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  43. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Scott Hamilton should be charged with urinating in public.

    Any Police reading this please take action.

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  44. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10079232/Party-in-danger-of-Peter-ing-out

    Not a bad article from Tracey Watkins. But….

    Quite noteable tho she really holds back from putting the boot into Whineston. Mentions the $158K of leaders money he stole but no mention if it not being repaid.
    Mentions that Peters accused Horan of stealing Grannys money but no mention that Horan was cleared.

    But Watkins is spot on in saying WhinestonFirst is a corpse of a party just too dumb to know its actually dead.

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  45. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    Yes nasska, but that’s down to us having a sensibly socialised system of health care – anathema to tom.

    How is our socialised healthcare system different to the VA? You said they both use rationing, and they do.

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  46. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The VA is a form of socialised health care. It is likely that overall health in the US would improve and costs be lower if all Americans had access to VA-style care.

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  47. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,916 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    hmmm, well I mow the lawns here, so I’m not sure whether you are insulting me or not! Mind you, many men seem to find sheep as useful as women. :P

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  48. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @Southern Raider

    It’s a pretty fair indication that if a ‘man of God’ is on a benefit, then God is not with him.

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  49. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    It is likely that overall health in the US would improve and costs be lower if all Americans had access to VA-style care.

    Even in the face of this disaster you can make this claim? Incredible. Still, you’re in good company:

    I know about a health care system that has been highly successful in containing costs, yet provides excellent care. And the story of this system’s success provides a helpful corrective to anti-government ideology. For the government doesn’t just pay the bills in this system–it runs the hospitals and clinics.

    No, I’m not talking about some faraway country. The system in question is our very own Veterans Health Administration, whose success story is one of the best-kept secrets in the American policy debate.

    That’s not Jon Stewart either but the winner of a Nobel prize in economics, Paul Krugman.

    It would be funny if it was not so stupidly obstinate.

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  50. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….” Mind you, many men seem to find sheep as useful as women. “…..

    If the price of meat & wool dips again I’ll look at starting a dating service for lonely townies who want to try something different Judith.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cekszme9s2et2o3/sheep.jpg

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    tom
    You feel that the scandals at the VHA somehow invalidate the whole system? That would be like saying a few healthcare mishaps here mean we should abandon our highly successful sociliased healthcare.

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  52. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    This is a real and entirely predictable problem. It puts a lie to myth that homosexual behaviour affects no one who does not participate. There is a matter of the bisexual connection.
    It it was not for this bisexual connection very few heterosexual would ever get HIV in New Zealand. If you check the other link by Nicky Park she print the following lie, “The only way to contract HIV is from direct blood to blood contact, unprotected sex, both vaginal and anal, and through breastfeeding. ” Condoms are no guarantee you will not be infected. It is like playing Russian roulette.

    Drug-resistant HIV pandemic is a ‘real possibility’, expert claims
    2:00 PM Friday May 23, 2014
    It’s ‘inevitable’ that resistance to HIV will increase – expert. Photo / Thinkstock

    A new HIV pandemic is “a real possibility”, one of the world’s leading authorities on infectious disease has said, warning that a rise of drug resistant strains of the virus could “reverse progress made since the 1980s” in combating the disease.

    Professor Jeremy Farrar said that “the spectre of drug-resistant HIV” threatened to have “a huge impact” in the next 20 years, if drugs which have made vast improvements to the life expectancy of patients since 1990s become less effective.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11260540

    Read more: New Zealanders living with HIV
    New Zealanders living with HIV
    7:00 AM Thursday Dec 1, 2011

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10769971

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  53. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    You feel that the scandals at the VHA somehow invalidate the whole system? That would be like saying a few healthcare mishaps here mean we should abandon our highly successful sociliased healthcare.

    As opposed to you and Paul Krugman thinking that scandals in the private sector invalidate that whole system, such that it should be taken over by a giant VA-style system across the USA.

    I’d note that even in Europe there are a multitude of different healthcare systems operating across some 400 million people, ranging from semi-private/semi-public systems in places like Holland and Switzerland, to largely socialised systems in Britain and France. But not even in those shrines to the welfare state does anybody propose a single system run centrally to provide healthcare from the tip of Scotland to the Eastern border of Poland.

    Maybe our socialised system works – to the extent that it does – simply because we’re a country of only 4 million people? Maybe we’re intimate enough that “mishaps” can be corrected. Maybe we don’t think about the comparisons enough to ask whether our system is really as good as we think it is.

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  54. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    It’s another Spirit Level implosion for the left.

    It’s been hard to avoid hearing about Thomas Piketty’s recent book, which purported to show that evil inequality is growing as an inevitable function of Capitalism.

    Just a mention of the author’s name is guaranteed to get you laid at The Standard, and fellow traveler
    Gareth Morgan wrote a whole piece about it, describing the book as a ‘pioneering opus’.

    http://garethsworld.com/blog/economics/need-shift-wealth-taxes/

    “Piketty findings undercut by errors”

    The data underpinning Professor Piketty’s 577-page tome, which has dominated best-seller lists in recent weeks, contain a series of errors that skew his findings. The FT found mistakes and unexplained entries in his spreadsheets…once the FT cleaned up and simplified the data, the European numbers do not show any tendency towards rising wealth inequality after 1970. An independent specialist in measuring inequality shared the FT’s concerns.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e1f343ca-e281-11e3-89fd-00144feabdc0.html#axzz32Tbqv13O

    oops

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  55. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Some interesting comments by James Dinglepole about the UKIP’s success in the local council elections and what was and wasn’t successful in the election campaign.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/23/Some-reflections-on-the-UKIP-earthquake

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  56. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    National is going to start loosing votes in middle NZ (especially Auckland) if they don’t come up with an actual immigration policy’s rather than just referring to an open door policy and trying to bat away any statements from Labour and NZ First.

    I fully support immigration and the rights of people living in NZ to own houses. We don’t need the investment in residential property we need their skills.

    However the current policies are a joke and are going to cost National.

    Some questions
    – why should non-residents be able to buy property in NZ. If they want to invest in NZ then there are plenty of other options like buying companies and the share market
    – can we afford the costs of supporting Chinese immigrants who’s parents come in under the family reunification policy. Because of China’s one child policy all parents are eligible. One young couple most likely has one tax paying member and then four older non- working parents can come in
    – how is it so difficult for a company to get someone in who actually has a job offer in a high skill area, yet we have lots of people coming in doing service jobs that loser kiwis should be forced to do
    – shouldn’t our state support rules align with other countries like Australia eg not a citizen equal no payments
    – who actually determines what skills we need to determine who should be allowed in

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  57. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    Well, all health care is rationed one way or another.

    You think there is some way for health care not to be rationed?

    It will still be rationed unless you give the veterans unlimited funding.

    All systems of health care necessarily inolve some form of rationing.

    It’s amazing how this economically illiterate argument has arisen in recent years as the Left try to defend the idea of government healthcare monopolies.

    And it is economically illiterate in that you could make the argument that all marketplace goods and services involve rationing by price – and hence that rationing by a government is just different, but better. Of course there have been such attempts made and they have been godawful failures and abandoned, so the real question is why the Left think it would work any better with healthcare?

    Of course it could also be that applying the meme that its all rationing anyway is simply a mendacious way of excusing the endless fuckups that occur when government tries to monopolise healthcare.

    It would be more accurate to say that all health care – and indeed any good or service – is a scare resource that needs to be allocated. That’s basically what all economics is about and allocating a scarce resource via a central command and control authority usually produces worse results than allocating it via people buying what they need themselves.

    I’m well aware of the argument the Left makes that such a scheme would – just looking at the costs – cause the cost of the overall system to rise relentlessly and quickly. And if you look at Medicaid and Medicare in the US it certainly appears that way as the government gives people ever more money which is then swallowed up by the private sector healthcare providers the system uses. That’s also one of the reasons that Obamacare will fail in cost controls, aside from other failures.

    It’s also why the British and other countries (including NZ) nationalised most hospitals, clinics, doctors, and so forth. Those old socialists knew that just providing money would produce the sort of relentless cost increases that the US Medicare/Medicaid systems have seen over the last fifty years. It’s also why the VA did the same thing, making sure that it runs the hospitals and clinics.

    Yet that has not worked either. Costs are obviously galloping ahead of any budget increases provided to the VA, otherwise there would be no need for the sort of rationing that has let people die who could have lived. Perhaps one explanation is found with this aspect of the scandal:

    Veterans with heart problems are waiting an average of four months to see a cardiologist at the Albuquerque VA, according to the doctor there who has access to patient records.

    There are eight physicians in the cardiology department. But at any given time, only three are working in the clinic, where they see fewer than two patients per day, so on average there are only 36 veterans seen per week. That means the entire eight-person department sees as many patients in a week as a single private practice cardiologist sees in two days, according to the doctor.

    For perspective, 60% of cardiologists reported seeing between 50 and 124 patients per week, according to a 2013 survey of medical professionals’ compensation conducted by Medscape. On the low end, the average single private practice cardiologist who participated in the study saw more patients in a week than the Albuquerque VA’s entire eight-person cardiology department.

    Why would that be? Is rationing the first thing that springs to mind in this department? Does anyone think that the VA could not squeeze even more money out of Congress to bring their rates up to that of the private sector? What politician would say no to veterans in the face of the inevitable public outrage?

    The answer is well-known in economics: monopolies for goods and services will screw-over people in the quality of service and – paradoxically – cost more. They’re black holes where supply creates its own demand.

    The funny thing is that the Left actually do know this, at least when it comes to hitting private sector monopolies: long and loud are the cries that such monopolies are gouging the customers and providing shit service to boot. The amazing thing is they think this is driven by the profit motive and that once you remove that by having the government take it over all will be well and good. In fact it’s driven by a lack of choice, the power to make that choice real, and the lack of competition to meet those choices.

    When you allow people to spend their own money and pick and choose who they’ll buy the service or good from the results are almost always overall lower costs and better services and goods.

    There are not too many examples of healthcare that escape the heavy thumb of the government but at least one is corrective eye surgery. Even here in NZ that seems to be entirely private sector, both in terms of demand and supply, as it appears to be around the world. And what have been the results of this frightening application of the private sector: ever-improving techniques, ever-improving quality, combined with relentlessly falling real costs over many years. Perhaps we should run an experiment and put this sector of healthcare under a government monopoly?

    I’m not arguing that the VA should be wiped out. Accepting the private sector means accepting that there will be failures and in the case of healthcare a failure could mean a persons death because they did not have enough money. But the government should only be looking after those veteran’s cases, they’d probably do a much better job than they are now.

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  58. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    why should non-residents be able to buy property in NZ

    Put another way, ‘why should Kiwis be allowed to sell to non-residents.’

    It’s because it’s private property. Nothing whatsoever to do with the state.

    who actually determines what skills we need to determine who should be allowed in

    Fruit picking is unskilled work, yet there is demand for workers. I’d sooner pay willing foreigners and cut off the dole from work-shy parasitic Kiwis.

    Some desperately poor people borrow money and come half way round the world to try and earn a living here and send some back to feed and educate their children. I admire them enormously and would happily pay such a person when I needed some work done.

    One of the greatest evils in the world is the limits that rich countries put on the poor being able to work there.

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  59. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Tom,

    I think you are overlooking the fact that modern Labour parties, in NZ and Britain for example, are not Socialist. Rather, they are now simply the political vehicles of rent-seeking state-sector unions.

    The healthcare monopoly has nothing to do with quality of delivery to consumers and everything to do with benefitting the monopolists themselves.

    So, no, the ‘left’ is not genuinely making an economically illiterate case for anything. Instead they are rent-seekers cynically putting up a politically acceptable justification for maintaining their monopoly rents.

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  60. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    On a more serious note where all else pales into insignificance. The greatest game of rugby ever played.

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Melbourne’s cat cafe has patrons purring

    CAT CAFE: Soon you’ll be able to drop into Australia’s first cat cafe.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/australia/cities/10068644/Melbournes-cat-cafe-has-patrons-purring

    This has got to come to NZ.

    Or at least Ponsonby

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Niwa supercomputer hacked

    A $12.7 million supercomputer owned by Niwa has been targeted by a computer hacker believed to have come from China

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/60075949/niwa-supercomputer-hacked.html

    This is what I mean about terroism. They focus on the innocuos instead of senstive state computers.

    A complete red herring psyop.

    A weather computer…get real!

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  63. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    I’ve got a heading dog who would welcome such a venture opening in NZ. She’s absolutely murder on legs when it comes to cats…..anticipates their escape moves & can usually run them down over a medium distance.

    While a cat cafe wouldn’t provide the thrill of the chase the menu would offer more variety. :)

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  64. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    Not at all, wikiriwhis. Just another silly trend that will soon disappear once the vacuous patrons stop going for coffee.

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  65. lilman (958 comments) says:

    GULAG -Must admit was a hell of a game.

    Just watch how they set their scrums and how long they take to put one down,god if they could only do that now.
    Sid Going all time favourite player.
    Last night rebels/waratahs took 1min 38 seconds to set one scrum

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  66. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,564 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Oh dear.

    “Piketty findings undercut by errors”

    Of course, because capitalism extracts wealth from the rich a redistributes it too those without! Pfft.

    Piketty replies …

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  67. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    tom hunter,

    outt of the rubble you just posted what in the way of specifics would you like to see changed in our health care system ,especially in the case of major trauma and chronic medical issues like Cancer Nurero ,Renal and liver dysfunction and failure etc.?
    The present government is making no inroads on waiting lists in the public system.?

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  68. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “That would be like saying a few healthcare mishaps here mean we should abandon our highly successful sociliased healthcare.”

    And on what planet are you living on today Mikey?

    Our socialised healthcare has been a monumental failure. For decades people have been dying on waiting lists caused by the governments monopoly on the health care system and through taxation that individuals could use to buy their own health care.

    How is having people die on waiting lists a success?

    The only reason National has been able to get the waiting lists down is by allowing the private sector to take up the slack, something Lefties and socialist health care cultists opposed.

    A system so broken it cannot deal with demand and has to be propped up by the private sector to work at all is not successful in any way whatsoever.

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  69. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Piketty replies…with bluster but without actually refuting anything.

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  70. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    So naaska you haven’t your power yet?

    A storm that’s whalloping much of New Zealand today has cut power to large parts of the Wairarapa and Tararua districts.

    About 1600 homes are without power after strong winds battered the lower North Island overnight, downing tree limbs. Powerco hopes to fix the outages between 1pm and 4pm.

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  71. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Waty
    Thanks for giving the link to wanking with watts Why am I not surprised that All In Red just cut and pasted his post straight from a wingnut site without giving the source.
    Then you link to an idiot graph that uses only San Fransisco bay to compere a global prediction of sea level to reality
    :lol:
    Only the terminally stupid would look at that graph and make a connection between Steve Gofart s blatant cherry pick and the global reality.

    All in red you lied this morning or just accepted bullshit from WUWT uncritically and have now admitted it.. Yet you think DPF will ban me for calling you on your bullshit :lol: Thanks you really are proven stupid then.

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  72. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Ah yes, Griff. I forgot you proudly refuse to read scientific information cited at websites which hold a position contrary to your own.

    You’re in the position of a flat-earther refusing to look at sites which present evidence that the Earth is in fact spherical.

    There’s even a name for that proud state of ignorance and self-censorship, isn’t there:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=griffs+schoolgirl+fallacy

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  73. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Lost power last night V2 but it’s back on…..went off about 8.15 & I couldn’t be bothered to go outside & start the generator so we went to bed. It’s still blowing a bastard so I guess the toothpick & bandaid set up Powerco have run the infrastructure down to will collapse again soon.

    In the meantime we’ll see out the storm while keeping a lookout for low flying cows & freight trains. :)

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  74. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,566 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Piketty replies…with bluster but without actually refuting anything.

    That is because there is nothing to refute. All Piketty has done is quantify the consequences of capitalism accelerated by neoliberal dogma. The policies lobbied for by concentrated capital and pursued by Western governments have had the effect of concentrating a greater share of capital in fewer hands, this was always the intent of the exercise. The ruling elite did not expend billions in advocating for such a system out of an altruistic bent, it was a carefully considered cost/benefit analysis and the benefits they accrued far outstripped the costs they put out.

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,919 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    You’re taking a risk posting that photo on here, there’s some might think it is pornographic!

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  76. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    That is because there is nothing to refute.

    Apart from the evidence for his claims, you mean.

    And in fact, contrary to your claim, global inequality has been dropping.

    The paper presents an overview of calculations of global inequality, recently and over the long-run as well as main controversies and political and philosophical implications of the findings. It focuses in particular on the winners and losers of the most recent episode of globalization, from 1988 to 2008. It suggests that the period might have witnessed the first decline in global inequality between world citizens since the Industrial Revolution.
    http://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/book/10.1596/1813-9450-6259

    Rather than ‘concentrating a greater share of capital in fewer hands, the evidence is that quite the reverse has happened. The last few years, thanks to the globalisation that the left fought just as hard as they could, hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest have largely been lifted from poverty.

    Let’s be clear, had the left won that battle they would have been responsible for the early deaths of millions and the appalling suffering of hundreds of millions.

    Thank fuck that evil people like you lost.

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  77. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “While a cat cafe wouldn’t provide the thrill of the chase the menu would offer more variety.”

    so you’re Asian

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  78. Nostradamus (3,320 comments) says:

    The trials and tribulations of life as a 111 operator:

    A Wellingtonian had a surreal conversation with an emergency services telephonist when they reported a goat wandering beside State Highway 1 on Thursday afternoon.

    “Thinking that it could possibly cause an accident, I called 111. After a long discussion on how far south of Porirua the goat was – 2km or 3km? I don’t bloody know! – the operator started reading from what was obviously a suspect identification script,” the caller said in a workplace email.

    The motorist recalled the conversation as follows:

    Operator: What colour was the goat?
    Motorist: White.
    Operator: Did it have any distinguishing marks?
    Motorist: Um, it had a collar on.
    Operator: What age was it?
    Motorist: I don’t know, it was a goat!
    Operator: Was it slim, medium or heavy build?
    Motorist: It was a goat!
    Operator: Was it hungry?

    “I think he panicked when he asked that last question, unless of course there’s a band of dangerous man-eating goats just south of Porirua and he wasn’t sure whether he needed the armed response unit or not,” the motorist said.

    “I think it illustrates why contact centre staff shouldn’t always stick to a script.”

    Well, actually, it illustrates that some people are unable to differentiate between trivial matters and life-threatening emergencies. I also find it curious that this “workplace email” has somehow been picked up by the media.

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  79. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Griff
    Once again you are wrong. Science Direct is the place where the Peer Reviewed Paper was published. I linked to the actual source. The Paper is there. I have admitted nothing. You are becoming increasingly deluded .So stop calling me a liar. I see your demerits are rising. It will be goodbye soon.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113002750#f0015

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  80. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Clearly not the sort of person we would want in the police force. Anyone stupid enough to take a selfie and pass it on, simply doesn’t have the IQ required.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11260759

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  81. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “You’re taking a risk posting that photo on here, there’s some might think it is pornographic!”

    what constitutes porn these days. going by some sites ample clevage is anti social.

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  82. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat this is your link to sea level at goddards
    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/if-you-like-your-skyrocketing-electricity-prices-you-can-keep-your-skyrocketing-electricity-prices/

    The graph below shows Obama’s predictions, versus what an honest person would say

    .

    http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml
    has all tidal stations in the usa

    Amalda the cherry picked trend godard uses gives 0.82mmyear rise when even the other two sites in San Francisco bay give 2.1mmyear for San Fransisco bay and 2.06mmyear for redwood city. Amalda is actually sinking as the following link shows hence the tidal data is more effected by the land sinking than sea level rise
    http://www.sonel.org/spip.php?page=gps&idStation=3319

    Not a honest graph at all just a blatant bullshit enough of one for me to write the content of Goddards wing nut blog of for any consideration as unbiased and honest comment.

    This has now been shown to you yet you will still maintain such sites are honest evaluation of science :lol: that is why you are called an idiot wingnut for your blind faith is proven bullshiting wing nuts.

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  83. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Lawn mowing is work worthy only of sheep.

    True.

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  84. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    A history of violence . . . and peace

    That opportunity came when Canterbury Youth Development Programme Trust case worker Lee Anne, who did not want her last name used, asked Haenga to take part in a pilot programme for troubled youths.

    The 52-week progressive programme focused on life skills, educational development and community support. Haenga agreed without hesitation.

    “We got picked up and taken to Burnham, and we just got the shock of our lives. We were jumping out of the van thinking we were all tough . . . and these guys were yelling in our face, making us strip down and jump in this pool.

    “I was just thinking: What have I got myself into? But I just had it in my mind that they weren’t going to break me.”

    Haenga also found a mother figure in Lee Anne. The two still keep in contact today.

    Recognising Haenga’s dedication and potential, CYDP kept him for an extra six months. Lee Anne still loves being kept abreast of life milestones.

    “All these years later his boy turns one and I get an invitation – it’s really special,” she said

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10079062/A-history-of-violence-and-peace

    a rare success story in the media whinging Kiwi Bloggers never give heed to. And how many others are there?

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  85. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Could be a bit awkward getting the seat next to Mr Cairns on that flight. Soooo, how’s your week been?

    Cricket match fixing: Cairns flies to UK for Met Police interview
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11261103

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  86. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    CAT CAFE: Soon you’ll be able to drop into Australia’s first cat cafe.

    How bizzare! Do they serve cats or serve cat?

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  87. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,567 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Apart from the evidence for his claims, you mean.

    And in fact, contrary to your claim, global inequality has been dropping.

    The article to which you first posted offers little of any substance which undermines Piketty’s data, if anything it is more of an attempted character assassination. You would have acheived more by linking to the Giles blog which only demonstrates inequality is increasing at a slightly slower rate than Pikett’s research indicates.

    Then there is the World Bank polemic to which you link, the abstract fails to convey the confidence the paper seems to inspire in you.

    It suggests that the period might have witnessed the first decline in global inequality between world citizens since the Industrial Revolution. The decline however can be sustained only if countries’ mean incomes continue to converge (as they have been doing during the past ten years) and if internal (within-country) inequalities, which are already high, are kept in check. Mean-income convergence would also reduce the huge “citizenship premium” that is enjoyed today by the citizens of rich countries.

    So the “…period might have witnessed the first decline in global inequality…”. Wow, you really struggle to find anything backing the fantasy land you inhabit.

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  88. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Griff
    So Obama is claiming 7 feet rise by 2100. You say it’s currently 2 mm per year.
    Do the math. 1foot equals 304.80 mm. Therefore 7 feet is 2133 mm.
    2100 minus 2014 equals 86 years. 86 times 2mm equals 172mm rise by 2100.
    So Obama says 2133 mm but the trend is 172 mm by the year 2100.
    So Goddard is right in saying Obama is a scaremongering liar. He’s exaggerated it by 12.4 times. Still good to see you are becoming a sceptic and believing sea level rise isn’t that bad and is pretty much the same as what I posted in the Science Direct paper being 3 mm per year!

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  89. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,753 comments) says:

    May 24th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    They are a de-stressor, I have a cat at my shop, people who can’t have or can’t afford a pet value the contact. I have a lot of tourists who are missing their animals appreciating the contact too. Instant conversation starter. Herald today ran a story about puppies being brought in by SPCA for study week to de-stress students. Yesterday a paper (Herald or Stuff) ran a story about a woman who needed to pay someone to let her dog sleep over as she was not permitted to have a pet in her rental. She minded it all day and was happy to pay all expenses.

    Might one add that animals can in turn add their own stress. I have donkeys, sheep, Kune kunes, rabbits, cats, dogs, chickens and bees. ;)

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  90. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi
    You are right about being a destressor. I remember when my father got too ill for us to look after him anymore and he had to go to the Hospice for his final days I visited him with my ( then) 1 year old. The word got out amongst the oldies that a baby was in the place. They were lining up. We ended up staying a long time. I’ll never forget the joy they had in their faces at being able to hold such new life.

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  91. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    A very short collection of John Key lies

    There have been a myriad of lies, omissions, half-truths, and manipulated facts stated by John Key over the past five years he has been in office.

    These are just a few of them. There are plenty more where these come from – however these are some of the more glaring examples.

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  92. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,532 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    surely you mean – “times when the Right Honourable John Key was mistaken”? Or perhaps “erred”? ;-)

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  93. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (707 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    I have a cat at my shop

    In the interest of being nice, I shall refrain from the obvious taunt regarding the cat :-)

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  94. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,532 comments) says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I cannot believe people would give a tick down for that post.

    But I guess there are those that do not want to see anything positive happen in the community, because then they’d have nothing to complain about.

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  95. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    I am not a de-stressing type of cat ;). More a distressing one.

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  96. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Amalda is actually sinking

    Er, Griff, what you’re claiming here is that a sceptic cherry-picked an example which exaggerates any sea level rise, and that the real sea level change is therefore in fact significantly less than claimed by said sceptic.

    Thanks for making that point, Griff.

    As for the other sources you cited, are you claiming they are in any way compatible with the claims of seven feet sea rises over the next 85 years?

    If that’s not what you’re saying then it’s not clear what your point is, other than to attempt to salvage a little dignity, if not credibility.

    So the essential point remains, whcih is that the alarmist claims of seven feet sea rises in the next 85 years are laughable.

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  97. OneTrack (3,089 comments) says:

    wiki – “a rare success story in the media whinging Kiwi Bloggers never give heed to. And how many others are there?”

    So you would be supporting military flavoured charter schools then. Welcome aboard :-).

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  98. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    No conspiracy theory is needed to explain a greater return to capital over the last few decades during a period of unprecedented globalisation. The ratio of capital to labour changed is all. You’d expect the return to capital to increase.

    There is no doubt that globalisation has lifted hundreds of millions out of dire poverty.

    It is perhaps the greatest achievement in all of humanity’s history. And it is something that would never have happened if the sanctimonious, thuggish left had had its evil way.

    Capitalism is the cure for poverty. End of story.

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  99. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    …We have already extensively discussed sea level rise and even you have now back tracked on you idiot cut and paste crap and admitted globally it is 3.1 mm year and rising!!! you are now trying to use the local San Fransisco area rise I linked to as the global one. Have you an IQ above two digits ? it is not liner as you claimed and the rate of rise has increased by 1.4 mm year in the last 2 decades*!!!! …Do the sums with +1.4mm a decade acceleration of rise on top of 3.1 at present…. that is 4.5 a year next decade…. 5.9 a year the decade after etc etc etc …..this is a continuation of the present trend not Goddard s bullshit linear graph using one of the lowest figures he could find in the continental usa records.
    *The latest papers giving ice cap loss acceleration for Antarctica Greenland and Iceland over the last ten years are conclusive proof that the rate is accelerateing
    …..

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  100. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    Griff, keep smoking another joint while speaking in the third person.
    By the way, I love your ridiculous AGW claims and fictional stories.

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  101. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Griff,

    The new paper looking at the latest evidence shows that the claimed acceleration in the secular rate of sea rise is not happening.

    Sooner or later you will have to start facing facts.

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  102. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    The increase in total ice coverage is starting to worry me.

    ‘Global Sea Ice Extent is 913,000 sq km above the 1981-2010 mean and is well above the one standard deviation mark.’

    http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/sea-ice-update-may-23-2014-global-sea-ice-skyrocketing/

    Antarctic ice extent is way above normal, and the Arctic extent is almost back within trend (in complete contradiction of Griff’s claims that it was “collapsing” and in a “death spiral.”)

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  103. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    TRy to access story that all European babies will be microchipped in 2014

    Auckland Libraries freezes the site so it can’t be pasted

    But I’ll keep trying

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  104. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    Jetstar NZ are a bunch of fuckwits.

    Thank goodness I figured this out before making a booking.

    (their ‘live’ help advised that I need a medicare card if I wanted to travel AKL-CHC with my kids. And, i am not allowed to bring my three 5 to 11 year old children with me as they do not hold a drivers license or current passport).

    Air NZ are just fine though. Although, they cost 200% more.

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  105. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    That one’s not going to fly Wiki. :)

    Ref: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/newborns-microchipped-europe-may-2014.shtml

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  106. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Wat
    NOAA source data here updated on May 23. It’s increasing in the Arctic alright.
    http://origin.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif

    Not sure Griff can argue with NOAA. Love your Griff Schoolgirl fallacy though- you’re making him famous.

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  107. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Bizarre.

    “A peak moment in American academia.”

    ‘Towson University won the 2014 Cross Examination Debate Association’s national championship on March 24, of this year. The team members inexplicably used the n-word repeatedly and babbled nonsense.’

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/serious-crazy-towson-u-wins-national-debate-contest-by-repeating-n-word-and-babbling-nonsense-video/

    Tragic. Yet, like most tragedies, strangely compelling.

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  108. Nostradamus (3,320 comments) says:

    Ha ha…

    Wikiriwhis Business: all European babies will be microchipped in 2014.
    Nasska (responding to that claim): you’ve been pranked!

    I love this sentence from Nasska’s link:

    Drivel such as this does nothing but clog the interwebs and needlessly cause fear and outrage among the gullible and those hapless and fear-ridden individuals who see conspiracy around every darkened corner.

    UglyTruth, I know you’re out there… hello!

    Incidentally, Wikiriwhis Business, I’m still waiting for evidence of your claim that “sterilising of beneficiaries has been publicly announced“. Please provide a link to this public announcement. Actually, no, please provide a credible link to the public announcement.

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  109. mandk (992 comments) says:

    wat dabney: “Capitalism is the cure for poverty. End of story.”

    Not quite the end of story. You should add: “Socialism is cruel to the people it claims to help.”

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  110. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    Where are UT and Kea when you need them?
    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/muslim-man-refuses-to-stand-in-court-due-to-religion/story-fnii5s3x-1226929228808

    A Muslim who threatened to “slit the throat” of an intelligence officer has refused to stand for a judge in court.

    Milad Bin Ahmad-Shah al-Ahmadzai, 24, yesterday declined to stand as he pleaded guilty to threatening serious harm to a Commonwealth official and using a carriage service to harass and menace.

    His lawyer Nick Hanna yesterday told the District Court his client’s refusal to stand was due to his religion.

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  111. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Pratts we have this rubbish from you every year wattwat the same old same old hysterical nonsense. ..EH
    :lol:
    We all know about the antarctic sea ice….
    The small increase in winter ice ice due to wind direction, glaciers speeding up their flow into the ocean and a fresh water layer freezing quicker…. fresh water that is from the melting land ice….
    http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/difference.html
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060140/abstract
    The arctic is not “growing” its still low by historical standards… the multi year ice has even increased this year but its not at its lowest for another five months…. then it will tell us something… as it melts the change week by week is more an indication of the last weeks weather than global warming…as you know from you hysterical posts last year when it was higher than average for a few days…

    Antarctic extent is all over the place from year to year two years ago it was smaller than average its now significantly larger..its trend is statistical significant increase in extent over the satellite record but its very small .

    The arctic shows a steady decline over the decades with a significant trend of loss in all seasons…

    Of interest is this
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/4
    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for April 2014 tied with 2010 as the highest on record for the month, at 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average of 13.7°C (56.7°F).

    This is with SOI neutral….
    next year will be the warmest recorded by far if the el nino predicted eventuates…

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  112. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Total global ice extent is way high.

    Really, give it up.

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  113. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    1613……A very bad number for a milkymild! :)

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  114. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Say it isn’t so, Johnboy.

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  115. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Did the left footers lose JB? :)

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  116. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Staggering stuff as Wainui downs HOBM at their homeground Hutt Rec!

    Flash news from the Vatican…….Pope Francis can’t understand how his prayers for HOBM failed at that last penalty!!!! :)

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  117. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Revenge will be savoured in the Jubilee Cup round.

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  118. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat so what I just explained why now run along to Goddards site and explain his bullshit graph and why if he posts such rubbish you still go to him for AGW information..
    and while you are at it consider the little detail that last month was the warmest on record and even kb commentators have noticed how warm it is here in nz
    wing nuts go to wing nut sites repeatedly even when its proven they post a load of crap :lol:

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  119. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    “His lawyer Nick Hanna yesterday told the District Court his client’s refusal to stand was due to his religion.”

    Nick is probably quite happy if we behead him then Manolo? :)

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  120. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    And wat you paper states the increase is to 3.1 a year from the historic 1.7 so I don’t now how you add that to make no increase…. I hope you don’t handle the finances at home..
    Is it you can not count ?
    or are you just a deluded denier with your head in the sand

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  121. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    If Nicks accounts have been settled in advance of the beheading of course! :)

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  122. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    The eternal Minus monster still stalks the halls of KB I see!

    When will I be rid of this turbulent downticker? :)

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  123. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    His lawyer Nick Hanna yesterday told the District Court his client’s refusal to stand was due to his religion.

    I’m one of those who firmly believe we are being deliberately setup for a global Muslim-Christian conflict and the bogus war on terror is a simple transparent propaganda meme for the sheeple who continue to act like gullible morons as they react hysterically to the latest media-manufactured “outrage,” just as they have been programmed to do.

    Having said that you can’t have a global propaganda meme if the general issues its based on are palpably false and like all propaganda they use things in the Muslim faith that really do exist but where the propaganda comes in is they exaggerate both the extent of it and the seriousness of it as an issue.

    As a student of human nature one thing I’ve observed is that its interesting how there are many aspect of the Muslim doctrine which closely dovetail with the cultural mindset of its adherents. Mostly in the ME but also in some elements of the Eastern Asian cultures you find quite strong elements of fanaticism in their cultural mindsets and with Islam itself being quite a strict doctrine (and possibly even having evolved that way because of the cultures in which it was founded), in some ways it creates a perfect storm of both culture and the religion when it is compared to that of the West which is by comparison much more laid back and relaxed, possibly too relaxed, in some ways.

    Of course the people designing the propaganda campaign underpinning the ‘war on tewwor’ are well aware of this dichotomy and take advantage of it all the time, to draw comparisons between “us” and “them.” It would be helpful if the Western sheeple weren’t quite so self-righteous in their innate sense of their own “vast” “superiority” when it comes to civilised conduct but then if they did that they wouldn’t be called “sheeple,” would they.

    But having said all of that, there are times when the Muslims could do themselves a giant favour and pull their fanatical heads in just a little bit, especially when they’re in Rome, and more especially, when they are living here under their choice and they haven’t been coerced into being here. I mean, if I go to their place, I act by their rules, the least we should be able to expect, is that they pay us the same courtesy and if they can’t see their way clear toward doing that, then fuck off.

    But sadly, our politically correct Western society (yet another meme) has been taught over the last sixty or so years that when faced with such situations, we’re not allowed to adopt such attitudes, that’s wacist, or sexist, or some other “ist” or “ism” and appawently, that’s weally weally weally weally bad and we should be ashamed of ourselves for not wanting to rush out and cuddle the poor little oppwessed darlings. It’s a shame the sheeple don’t stand up against that meme as well, then we, as a society, might finally start making progress or at least, stop going backwards, as we have been, since the 1960’s when the baby boomer sheeple got sucked in to starting the whole PC psychobabble bullshit bandwagon in the name of human wights.

    When will I be rid of this turbulent downticker?

    I’m surprised your sheer tumescence hasn’t overwhelmed his flaccid sense of inferiority and hopelessnesslessness already, Johnboy.

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  124. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Oh the humanity.

    the new reconstruction suggests a linear trend of 1.9 ± 0.3 mm/yr [7.5 inches per century] during the 20th century

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/20/new-study-finds-sea-levels-rising-only-7-in-per-century-with-no-acceleration/

    7.5 inches fact, versus 7 feet alarmist claim.

    The alarmist claims are not just refuted, they are blown out of the water.

    But, whatever.

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  125. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Good grief Reid has your removal to the near vicinity of Temple Mount done nothing for your ecumenicalism? :)

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  126. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    When I pop out my 7.5″ Wat the ladies get excited enough. If I showed them the whole 7′ I’d never get a fuck! :)

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  127. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    has your removal to the near vicinity of Temple Mount done nothing for your ecumenicalism

    When Muslims accept Jesus as their Saviour Johnboy I’ll be waiting for them with open arms.

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  128. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I’d work on the Mormons first Reid. Their closer and don’t use swords or AK47’s as a normal part of their worship! :)

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  129. muggins (3,640 comments) says:

    I used to have a ride-on mower with side delivery and at the first hint of rain the delivery shute would clog up with grass.
    I later purchased a ride on with rear delivery and it would clog up as well but not quite so often.
    Mowing a lawn in the rain is a no-brainer. Even those employed by city and borough councils to mow parks and the like avoid doing that if they can.
    I use a handmower now and I still don’t mow the grass when it is wet as it just causes the grass to stick to the mower.

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  130. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Their closer and don’t use swords or AK47′s as a normal part of their worship!

    No but they might if I start explaining to them how Joseph Smith really didn’t understand anything about anything at all. I don’t think they’d appreciate my honesty.

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  131. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I was thinking of mowing the lawn tomorrow with the electric if it doesn’t rain and I’m not too pissed muggins.

    What’s your advice? :)

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  132. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Know thine enemy. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3t6iptzkx2sdw9j/Ticks%201.jpg

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  133. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Stay away from windows Reid! :)

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  134. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I really love being a celebrity. Thank you Minus, you poor obsessed creature.

    Even though you are worthless you make everything I do worthwhile! :)

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  135. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    A legend in your own lunchtime.

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  136. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    1613 milkey. How that number galls! :)

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  137. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Revenge will be sweet though.

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  138. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    You must admit though milkey that the poor obsessed, loser, Minus creature needs some therapy. Perhaps you could offer him a membership at HOBM? :)

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  139. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s not the sort of therapy he needs. Perhaps one of the resident godnutters could cast a magic spell over him.

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  140. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Reid,

    You insights are profound, as you pierce the veil which prevents the rest of us from clearly discerning the forces which shape our lives.

    Please do keep posting, just so long as you don’t put your own life in danger.

    I wouldn’t have your death on my conscience.

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  141. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I’m almost certain the Ref was biased! :)

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  142. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ever since they went catholic, Hutt have had the refs against them.

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  143. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    That’s true milky. He’s already a loser so it could drive him over the edge if he associated with you chaps! :)

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  144. Yvette (2,812 comments) says:

    A legend in your own lunchtime.

    La réputation est le caractère moins ce que vous avez été pris à faire.

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  145. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I hope you bring that up at the AGM when the clubs Priests are present milkey! :)

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  146. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Perhaps Pastor Don the Fuckwit could pray up a storm against the minus monster?

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  147. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    J’ai été fait uniquement pour les femmes Yvette. :)

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  148. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Et pour les moutons?

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  149. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    One should never take out one’s frustrations at one’s inadequacies against other folks (like Don for example) milkey! :)

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  150. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Don deserves what he gets. He’s a bit of a pillock, really.

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  151. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    He’s never made the major mistake of not taking a penalty to draw the game when he has had the wind with him though milkey! :)

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  152. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You’d trust Don with the captaincy decisions? You really are disturbed!

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  153. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I really suspect that the only really disturbed chap here is you milkey.

    Your glorious HOBM (despite help from the Pope) have gone down the gurgler despite your gung ho predictions the other night.

    Sad and humble is where you should be. HOBM for relegation next year I suspect! :)

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  154. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Hutt only have to beat Wellington next week to make the top eight. Wainui in third are the best they’ll be this season.

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  155. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    1613 milkey…bitter numbers for you losers to chew on! :)

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  156. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Fuck off Minus. You really are a sad little prick! :)

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  157. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It would be helpful if the Western sheeple weren’t quite so self-righteous in their innate sense of their own “vast” “superiority” when it comes to civilised conduct but then if they did that they wouldn’t be called “sheeple,” would they.

    It’s the way of the civilian, Reid. The don’t have to face the unpleasant realities of the world and so they interpret their own lack of vigilance as a kind of moral superiority.

    But having said all of that, there are times when the Muslims could do themselves a giant favour and pull their fanatical heads in just a little bit, especially when they’re in Rome, and more especially, when they are living here under their choice and they haven’t been coerced into being here.

    The English, particular the Scots, have a noble history of resisting Rome. In this country the law of the land is not Roman law, although some aspects have crept in, eg the doctrine of necessity.

    I mean, if I go to their place, I act by their rules, the least we should be able to expect, is that they pay us the same courtesy and if they can’t see their way clear toward doing that, then fuck off.

    Fair comment if they are here as citizens, but the default condition is that they they have no obligation to obey the rules.

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  158. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Pentagon report: scope of intelligence compromised by Snowden ‘staggering’

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/pentagon-report-snowden-leaks-national-security

    DIA refuses to release the full report. On the grounds doing so would further compromise the intelligence effort. Which is typical. But here’s the thing. Nothing Snowden has revealed has surprised me in anyway whatsoever. Sure I didn’t know it for sure, in terms of the intel techniques he’s revealed and in terms of the data he’s released. But I suspected all of it way before anyone even heard of Edward Snowden. And I’m an amateur who merely knows how to drive google, I have no background in intelligence I am merely a lifelong student of warfare in all its forms and I have read a lot of history and, unlike some, I remember what I’ve read. And there must be millions of others just like me around the world.

    And you would have thought, that if you were a professional bad-guy in the international class, then you’d damn well make it your business to be right up with the play in all of the stuff and more that Snowden is revealing. That’s simply common sense. And newsflash: high-value intelligence targets, despite what movies and the media make out, are not repeat not morons who can’t wait to blow themselves up for Allah and seventy virgins. That’s the movie version, it doesn’t happen in real life. And if an amateur like me can familiarise myself with the details in my own spare time from little ole NZ, then high-value intel targets with all their networks and all their resources (from rich e.g. Saudi donors), sure as heck can do it ten times better than I can. So what’s the REAL compromise the agencies keep munting on about?

    It’s the sheeple, of course. It’s letting the sheeple know that the intel agencies have been vacuuming up every single little thing for decades and that’s not just your personal data on when and where you use your eftpos card and every single phone call you make, it’s business plans, corporate IP, huge, massive vacuums across every single area of our modern life. You think for example Smartphones are useful? Why don’t you ask your ISP whether there are any locked closets at their network junction points that anonymous people occasionally visit after hours? And if your tinpot ISP laughs at the mere suggestion, then ask them which of the major corporate ISPs they connect to and go and ask them the same question. For example. That’s what they don’t want the sheeple to know.

    Of course, it’s all fine, since we don’t commit any crimes and we don’t plan on committing any, do we. But that’s now. What happens in the future, if we say, enter a wartime situation because the US and China got into conflict? What would be the case about that stuff, then? And think about when we get smart appliances, smart thermostats and fridges etc. Think Goggle paid $2 billion for Nest just for fun? What do you think that’s going to be used for? Just selling ads? Think again. For example.

    I’m not making a judgement call on it either way, all I’m saying is, the intel agencies have deployed this and will continue to deploy all of this with absolutely no discussion and absolutely no opportunity for debate. And since this is OUR society we’re talking about, not THEIR society, I would have thought that our worthless, toothless, moronic Fourth-Estate “watchdog” would have been much more onto this than they have been, had they really been working in OUR interests and not in THEIRS. But of course, that couldn’t possibli be, could it.

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  159. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat twat for the third Time I will post and highlight so it easy for you
    from you link at wanking with watts gag gag even.
    the paper abstract

    We use 1277 tide gauge records since 1807 to provide an improved global sea level reconstruction and analyse the evolution of sea level trend and acceleration. In particular we use new data from the polar regions and remote islands to improve data coverage and extend the reconstruction to 2009. There is a good agreement between the rate of sea level rise (3.2 ± 0.4 mm·yr− 1) calculated from satellite altimetry and the rate of 3.1 ± 0.6 mm·yr− 1 from tide gauge based reconstruction for the overlapping time period (1993–2009). The new reconstruction suggests a linear trend of 1.9 ± 0.3 mm·yr− 1 during the 20th century, with 1.8 ± 0.5 mm·yr− 1 since 1970. Regional linear trends for 14 ocean basins since 1970 show the fastest sea level rise for the Antarctica (4.1 ± 0.8 mm·yr− 1) and Arctic (3.6 ± 0.3 mm·yr− 1). Choice of GIA correction is critical in the trends for the local and regional sea levels, introducing up to 8 mm·yr− 1 uncertainties for individual tide gauge records, up to 2 mm·yr− 1 for regional curves and up to 0.3–0.6 mm·yr− 1 in global sea level reconstruction. We calculate an acceleration of 0.02 ± 0.01 mm·yr− 2 in global sea level (1807–2009). In comparison the steric component of sea level shows an acceleration of 0.006 mm·yr− 2 and mass loss of glaciers accelerates at 0.003 mm·yr− 2 over 200 year

    ,I know you have some sort of problem with comprehension but hopefully actually having the bits highlighted will help with that.
    .02 a year acceleration is not liner its exponential wingnut.

    Your paper says that the trend was 1.8 year last century 1.7 from 1972 and is now 3.1 a year betwen 1993 to 2009 it also says the trend that has been accelerating at .02 a year between 1807–2009..

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  160. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Fuck off Minus. You really are a sad little prick!

    He’s like Dick Cheney Johnboy, without the warmth and charm.

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  161. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    It’s simple to nullify the idiot’s effect Reid. Since Baity was caught wanking ticks the “karma” system is valueless.

    I just go along behind & tick it up to create balance. :)

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  162. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Reid,

    You insights are profound, as you pierce the veil which prevents the rest of us from clearly discerning the forces which shape our lives.

    Yes wat. Truth is a funny thing isn’t it. Sometimes it matches the common view and sometimes it opposes it. Wisdom is knowing the difference. If you were living in Europe in the early to mid 1930’s, where would you be, I wonder. With Churchill as he cried in the wilderness, or against him, looking on and cheering the progress as Hitler built the most efficient economy in the world from the smoking ruins which existed just a few years before?

    I just go along behind & tick it up to create balance.

    I bet if you put a karma hack app on itunes it’d sell millions. Bet it would. Even adults up to round 40 want to be popular. It’s just when we reach a certain age we seem to think wine and spirits are a much better answer to life’s little problems… Or maybe that’s just my excuse.

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  163. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    riff,

    Remind us again how big 0.02mm is. It is effectively zero.

    And please do tell us how such an immeasurably small variation could possibly be reconciled with the alarmist claim of 7 feet over the next 85 years.

    If you are trying to make the alarmist case with this evidence you have already lost the argument.

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  164. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Just looking at the Cambridge by pass. Some pics worth looking at.

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Karapiro+Gully+Viaduct&biw=1366&bih=639&tbm=isch&imgil=FLNKeTuSLj5KZM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTHzVdXew-4nY3mi9adybHeFJHZ2ljV4XSDsWdiyziE7OUkSyUJOA%253B600%253B400%253BPvYvozQgPCYYUM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.hera.org.nz%25252FStory%25253FAction%2525253DView%25252526Story_id%2525253D1984&source=iu&usg=__WvHXn8VQdzsR0fJ_UP70UpKpKsU%3D&sa=X&ei=J0OAU5DuA8GQkAWGnoDQBg&ved=0CEMQ9QEwBA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=zkQlGEyVxUNjiM%253A%3B-wGN6a_JWi-CDM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.nzta.govt.nz%252Fprojects%252Fcambridge%252Fimg%252Fcambridge-by-deli-img4.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.nzta.govt.nz%252Fprojects%252Fcambridge%252Fgallery-timelapse-webcam.html%3B333%3B195

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  165. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    Fuck me I am scared. After reading the last 20 posts I am convinced the inmates have taken over the asylum.

    Time to take my cyanide capsule.

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  166. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    It’s the way of the civilian, Reid. The don’t have to face the unpleasant realities of the world and so they interpret their own lack of vigilance as a kind of moral superiority.

    I’m a civilian UT. But I know what you mean.

    On their lack of vigilance though I think it’s not so much that they are self-righteous but that they are ignorant and because they are ignorant they are complacent and the PTB prey on that complacency. Their ignorance is willful but they are not conscious that its willful. They are complacent that the govt is the whole answer to every little problem they have because its behaved that way in every Western nation since WWII dishing out welfare left, right and center and people thereby have conflated that behaviour with benevolence and this is why, for example, the US people by and large cannot look at the evil their govt perpetrates in their name.

    And if you continue that willful ignorance for decades and generations as today’s generations in the West by and large have, you get a powerlessness creeping in which is very difficult to overcome just like losing weight is very difficult for an obese person. You also get a defensive reaction whenever that complacency is threatened which is what you and I and some others all see whenever we discuss those issues which disturb the view that our collective Western govts are benevolent and not malevolent creatures.

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  167. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/td5n8llxeos9h3x/urinal_prompter.jpg

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  168. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Reid,
    I don’t disagree with your description of ignorance as being a cause for dependence, it’s the way of children.
    The thing about civilians is that they are supposed to be adult enough to take responsibility for their own circumstances. The problem I have with them is the assumption of superiority – they call it sovereignty. They exist within a sheltered environment and maintain that there is no accountablity to forces or agencies outside of that environment when history says the exact opposite.

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  169. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    It looks like Norths can escape the Hardham Cup by beating Upper Hutt at Porirua, if Wainui beat OBU at William Jones then OBU are in the Hardham Cup.

    OBU look to be taking merger talks with woeful Wests seriously and taking too readily to a decline to the standards of their future Ian Galloway Park hosts.

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  170. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Believing in every conspiracy theory created is not a sign of responsible adult hood.

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  171. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    I see the nasty party in the standard is in full flight putting the boot into Tony Astle of restaurant fame. I hear they are going to have people making bookings in his restaurant and not turning up. I guess they are trying to divert attention from the rumours about the feminist Iprent and the idiot Micky Savage. Thumb heads new minder does not like the influence of these two tossers on dear pretender and wants to keep them at arms length. He has a point as their advice up until recently has been a disaster. Especially Mickey Mouse. Not a good look.

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  172. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Seems that there are a lot of ‘red’ downticks today. Is this something the deranged idiots must do?
    I mean, to like a comment is fine, but debate fails with the barrage of red ticks.
    Hey DPF, how about changing the Green uptick to a blue uptick? See if we get the Red/Blue thing in context instead of a Green hint – just saying.
    The commies seem to be using this Kiwiblog as a Labour Party propaganda machine

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  173. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    Reid @ 7.12pm – good post.

    I will defer to Frank Zappa on the same reality I see when I watch our kabuki theatre political & complient media in operation:

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater”

    People have handed sovereignty of their lives over to an omnipotent state, in the false belief that governments actually care for the little guy rather than being a tool for the rich and powerful (particularly the international bankers) to plunder the wealth of a once free people.

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  174. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    The Greenie bloke who bought the lifestyle block up the road has just been round.

    Bless him – someone gave him a bar of soap & he wanted to know how to cook it.

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  175. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Wat
    Look on the bright side. At least Griff read the Paper… He’s turning, slowly but surely.

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  176. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    The problem I have with them is the assumption of superiority – they call it sovereignty. They exist within a sheltered environment and maintain that there is no accountability to forces or agencies outside of that environment when history says the exact opposite.

    UT even when Kipling wrote the below, when our education system and our social value structures weren’t the smoking ruins both of those have been for some decades now, such a person wasn’t common.

    Yet those are the very and only qualities we need, not want, but NEED, in spades today; in both our leaders and in those of us who elect them. Our major, massive and tragic problem is, we don’t have any. Both as a society in NZ and as a civilisation in the “West,” we are facing our sunset, because even though our opposition doesn’t have many of them either, they nevertheless have more of them than we have, and those qualities will always prevail, until the rot sets in to their Empire, in the 22nd century.

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

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  177. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat this proves that you are as stupid as all in red the very stupid lying crybaby blubber boy.

    Your claim of !.7mm a year is wrong!

    Your claim of liner is wrong!

    And now you are exposing even more ignorance
    0 .02 is not the present acceleration in rate

    Its the historic rate over the whole 200 year record.

    The acceleration in the rate of change must be an exponential function to get a fit with the resent 3.1per year!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth

    This is why the graph of Goddard and even watts post are pure rubbish unsupported by the paper linked to .Obvious at even my level of basic school boy math.

    :lol:
    red and wat wanking each over off again
    you are both idiots licking each other only proves you both are as stupid as each other
    now cry baby go complain to dpf blubber boY:lol:

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  178. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    0.02
    Lol

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  179. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Not political at all then, a QC really, the maximum is $1000.00 fine.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10078985/Ex-Labour-MP-to-defend-ball-throwing-accused

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  180. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:
    at you idiot
    incapable of even basic math
    hows the demerits going blubber boy? blub blub blub.
    :lol:
    I am still here and still calling you stupid and you are proving it every post you make.

    as for you and wat

    :lol:

    Its called a circle jerk when two idiots try to support each others stupidity

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  181. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    You seriously need help Griff. You’ve been dealt to all day.
    Sleep well.

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  182. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    I have a few friends who are regular smokers of marijuana. A couple have been doing it every day for almost forty years or so. I do notice that when it’s wearing off they become very irritable and grumpy. Paranoid too. It affects their moods quite a lot…

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  183. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I have a few friends who are regular smokers of marijuana.

    Most accurate and penetrating observation I’ve ever heard on marijuana came from Southpark, and you’d imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone might know:

    “Marijuana makes it OK to do nothing.”

    It’s true. It does. Look at every single heavy smoker. That’s their problem. Sure, they might be floating through work but they’re not advancing. It’s only when they stop smoking that they start doing that. Otherwise, they just hold water, on their careers. Every. Single. One.

    That’s the counseling key to stopping them, if they care about their career.

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  184. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….“Marijuana makes it OK to do nothing.”…..

    Bollocks….it just makes you realise that it wasn’t worth the trouble to do whatever it was that you were going to do in the first place. :)

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  185. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:
    parrot chess# as well as lying fuckwit well I never :lol: adds to the circle jerk
    your first post and you were pawned on it blub blub


    The most recent satellite derived global sea level rise study available (abstract link below) determined that the rate shows no acceleration whatsoever in the period from 1992 to 2011 and amounts to only about 7 inches per century. Specifically this sea level rise study notes:

    1 it not a satellite derived study..
    2 its does not say no acceleration.
    3 its not 1.7 for the latest period.

    This is a simple case of your stupidity showing blubbery.

    Then you emailed DPF

    Trying to get me banned for calling you a stupid bullshitter

    :lol: blubbery I proved you are a stupid bullshitter :lol:

    Now you are claiming you have won
    :lol:
    blub blub blub.

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  186. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Bollocks….it just makes you realise that it wasn’t worth the trouble to do whatever it was that you were going to do in the first place.

    It’s a shame marijuana doesn’t make you not want to watch porn.

    I suspect there’d be a lot less usage of both if so.

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  187. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….”It’s a shame marijuana doesn’t make you not want to watch porn.

    I suspect there’d be a lot less usage of both if so.”…..

    You’re taking me back a bit Reid…..probably about the time of the “Super 6″ movie tapes. I remember we used to get stoned on weak weed & pissed on flagon beer watching them when opportunity arose.

    The greatest fun was running the film in reverse & seeing John Holmes use his equipment like a vacuum cleaner. :)

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  188. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Griff,

    You keep triumphantly pointing out that the alarmist claim of seven feet of sea rise in the next 85 years is complete bunk, since that the rate of acceleration is actually effectively zero.

    I guess that makes you a denier.

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  189. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The rising of the sea level is dependent on events that occur at the poles.

    Little happens till a tipping point is reached.

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  190. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol: You are stupid whatatwat 0.02 year is not =0 and it is the historic figure for sea level rise acceleration over the whole record. This figure comes from a paper A Watts posted on his site and maintained there is no acceleration in sea level rise.

    Griff has not posted 7ft at any time this is an extension of your mental delusions.

    You and all in red go to sites that a school boy can prove full of shit
    Ignorance is one thing.
    Denial is a entirely different kettle of fish
    It is a mental problem you and all in red have… called conspiratorial idealization… you hold that the worlds scientists are in a massive conspiracy and go to alt science site to have this confirmed. You keep going back even though they tell you bullshit because it fits in with your madness. :lol: pathetic :lol:

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  191. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Err Griff, I’m the one who posted a Published Peer Reviewed Scientific Paper ( which you agree with btw- sae level rise is currently 3 mm per year ) and you are the one who posts a clip by a comedian who think the discredited Cook paper on 97% etc is real!
    You need to realise you are a laughing stock on KB with your deluded ramblings and that we are all tired of your abusive comments. Sure every village needs it’s idiot but you really do ruin this blog.

    Note to self- leave Griff alone, after all , you didn’t pick on the retarded kids at school.

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  192. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Believing in every conspiracy theory created is not a sign of responsible adult hood.”

    Comprehending govt’s have personal agenda’s that have nothing to do with the good of the people is exact adulthood

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  193. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Incidentally, Wikiriwhis Business, I’m still waiting for evidence of your claim that “sterilising of beneficiaries has been publicly announced“. Please provide a link to this public announcement. Actually, no, please provide a credible link to the public announcement.”

    youtube it as usual.

    Also, Joe Biden’s announcement of the New World Order.

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