General Debate 30 May 2014

May 30th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Elaycee (4,302 comments) says:

    No-one can ever accuse Hone Harawira of being a ‘Yes’ man….

    ‘Cos whenever Kim says ‘No’, Hone says ‘No’…. :lol:

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  2. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    Here’s an example of the death of free speech in the UK.A pastor can’t express genuinely and sincerely held views on Islam without the police investigating for ‘hate speech”.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/robinson-and-mcguinness-clash-over-pastor-s-muslims-remarks-1.1813595

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  3. mandk (821 comments) says:

    This is interesting, a Decile 1 school with 90% achievement at NCEA 1,2, and 3, and 74% UE.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11264263

    What stands out is that the school places great emphasis on pastoral care and has high expectations of the pupils.
    Disadvantage is no excuse for failure. But, regrettably, it is often used as an excuse.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee – ain’t that the truth. And why wouldn’t he, for half a million big ones?

    Every man has his price, and we now know what Hone’s was.

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  5. Brian Smaller (3,992 comments) says:

    On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life. Spoken like a true socialist. The finer things in life are great, especially when someone else is paying for them.

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  6. duggledog (1,358 comments) says:

    This whole Kim Dotcom / Mana / Laila Harre debacle has made me seriously wonder at the thinking processes of this country’s inhabitants. The polls still show that on the other side of the house there is still, even now, 40 – 45% per cent support of a Labour Party bereft of workable policy or even a semblance of being all on the same page, a Green party that will certainly seek to destroy everything, the above mentioned scam and I don’t even want to describe Winston Peters. All hell bent on destroying a government that could hardly be described as tyrannically right wing, and has a racist party as a coalition partner!

    This is why I chickened out of buying Meridian etc shares. When I looked at those numbers, it was just too big a risk. Maybe I will regret it in 25 years when we have 50% sensible Asians in Auckland who will have voted to wind back the welfare state, but I’ll be a very old man then – probably senile!

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  7. EAD (618 comments) says:

    The Libertarian fightback begins:

    There is a “twitter” uproar in the UK because a UKIP Councillor has refused to attend “equality training” as she views it as being indoctrination and she doesn’t want to have her views “corrected”:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/27/ukip-councillor-i-wont-attend-equality-training-as-its-indoctrination/

    All I can say is well done her for refusing to kowtow to the selectively-illiberal politically-correct pieties of cultural-marxist state-enforced equality authoritarianism.

    Here is a little secret of mine – I discriminate all the time……………………………….mostly against stupidity and hypocrisy which is found in droves in all sectors of government (especially local).

    I discriminate against certain foods and or activities and one could say that I have discriminating taste in a number of other areas.

    I discriminate when choosing my friends and who I work for and who I won’t.

    Discrimination is a sign of logic, reason and intelligence.

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  8. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    What with Kim Dot Com and Leila joining Hone and Minto, it’s almost like the league of super villains team up :)
    At least Bradford has gone, I guess.

    Can anyone come up with some cool supervillain names?

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  9. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    According to one report, in Houston, men are now allowed to use women’s restrooms etc – all in the name of equality you know.
    I can’t see anything going wrong with this policy, can you?

    HOUSTON, Texas—Houston’s bathrooms, showers, and dressing facilities will now be open to all, regardless of gender, gender identity, gender expression, or other predilection of gender behavior. By an 11-6 vote of the Houston City Council, Mayor Annise Parker achieved this as the crowning jewel of her tenure as mayor.
    Mayor Parker, Houston’s first openly gay mayor, said passing this ordinance was not the most important thing she has done in office, according to an article in the Fairfield Citizen, but it is the “most personally meaningful thing I will ever do as mayor.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/05/28/Houston-Mayor-Forces-All-to-Open-Girls-Rooms-to-Men

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  10. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    Transgender is the new civil rights battle, according to Time magazine, which has a transgender man on its latest cover, with the caption saying, “The Transgender Tipping Point – America’s next civil rights frontier”

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/time-mag-cover-transgender-tipping-point

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Here’s a new acronym for a Friday – can you imagine being governed by a coalition of David Cunliffe and the GIMPs? Labour, Green, Internet, Mana and Peters is hardly a recipe for stable, low-spending government…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/of-david-and-gimps.html

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  12. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    kowtow, Christianity is heathen, Christianity is satanic, Christianity is a doctrine spawned in hell. They have persecuted non Christians as well as those of rival churches. And they have formed cells across many nations to perpetuate their crime against humanity. Now people say there are good Christians – that may be so – but I don’t trust them.

    And no thanks to Christians of the past for the right of free speech to say this – over their dead (royal) beast bodies came this right of free speech.

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  13. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Lollies banned at Waikato Hospital! What about KFC for obese PIs in coronary care wards throughout NZ? I have seen this and it is bloody awful, not only do they make little effort to rehabilitate themselves, they eat crap all day, costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more than any other ethnicity. In some cases, they have been flown here from the Islands (at our expense), depriving those that have paid a lifetime of heavy taxes the opportunity for surgery.

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  14. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    This is a worrying article – UK Parliament comes to an effective end. “Europe has succeeded in subordinating the parliaments of its nation states, including the UK, to become the equivalent of local councils within a wider United States of Europe” ~ Wishart.

    On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.

    Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.

    The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:

    Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
    Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
    Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
    Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
    Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
    Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
    Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
    Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
    Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
    Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
    Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
    Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV

    A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU.

    For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/eu-qualified-majority-voting-qmv.html

    http://pjcjournal.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/uk-parliament-comes-to-an-effective-end/

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  15. mandk (821 comments) says:

    @ Fletch,
    And so it goes on.
    Next on the ghastly progressive agenda will fighting for the civil rights of people who are drawn to inter-generational love.

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  16. Harriet (4,523 comments) says:

    “…..Here’s an example of the death of free speech in the UK.A pastor can’t express genuinely and sincerely held views on Islam without the police investigating for ‘hate speech”…..”

    Kowtow I picked this interesting comment up on that matter.

    The “knock on the door” could well come about almost anywhere in the UK for those who dare to speak out about the evil of homosexual ideology[or Islam, in the form of a European Arrest Warrant.
    This is an instrument of EU totalitarianism adopted by a “conservative” British government by which a British subject can be arbitrarily arrested anywhere in the EU member states for what may not be crimes in the UK, or indeed for the most trivial of reasons.
    Gone is the presumption of innocence unless proved guilty in a court of law. Gone is habeas corpus (the uniquely British requirement to hold a person under arrest for a set period only, then charge via a magistrate, or release) – once the central pillar of justice under the Magna Carta for centuries.
    Such a person can languish in a foreign gaol for months, without being formally charged, so is “punished” before guilt is established. Indeed many Brits have already experienced this travesty of justice.
    Under the regime of the European Union the police state is already well advanced in the UK.
    Fortunately the rise of UKIP (UK Independence Party) with astonishing results in the recent ‘Euro’ elections gives rise for hope that such gross injustices may yet be reversed.

    http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/05/28/that-knock-on-the-door-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

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  17. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Via the “Harmful Digital Communications” Bill anyone of us could be silenced by the threat of criminal action against us because “our speech” caused someone hurt.

    Thus “hate speech” style censorship is coming to the internet in New Zealand via this current government.

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/a-committee-of-fuckwits.html

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  18. doggone7 (703 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller; “The finer things in life are great, especially when someone else’s paying for them.”

    The finer things of life enjoyed by Graeme Hart have been paid for by someone else?

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  19. Brian Smaller (3,992 comments) says:

    doggone – Yes they were, but the finer things he enjoys came about by him buying and selling stuff (businesses, products, services etc). If people didn’t want what he offered, he would be still driving a tow truck or whatever it was he did. He enjoys the fruits of his own labours. He just made a crap load more fruit than me. Socialists want the fruits of other people’s labours because they are generally too lazy or stupid to grow their own.

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  20. itstricky (1,569 comments) says:

    Come off it Brian – you lefties are always jealous of rich pricks!

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  21. duggledog (1,358 comments) says:

    I think National need to start the campaign right now before the GIMPs get too embedded. I was listening to Willie Jackson and Alison Mau and Chris Trotter yesterday on their liberal / hard left / unionist / racist show, and the number of numb-nut callers they had ringing in showing tacit approval of the Internet / Mana crock was astounding. Granted, the callers sounded like uneducated layabout whack jobs to a man – who has time to ring talkback? But come on guys, get started!

    All the National Party strategists need to do is put up large billboards showing the differential between the last two terms of Labour and the first two terms of this government – in particular how much prices increased as opposed to now.

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  22. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Graeme Hart was given a helping hand by the Lange government. He purchased Government Print for roughly the value of its printing contracts. This caused quite a stir, but Graeme could not be blamed for grabbing a fire sale bargain . . . good on him. Bet he still does not vote Labour.

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  23. itstricky (1,569 comments) says:

    Brian, on a more serious note I’m sure d7s point was that GH was selling rotten apples.

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  24. wiseowl (763 comments) says:

    EAD @ 8.15
    Congratulations to that councillor.

    Unfortunately we have had similar type indoctrination of our councillors in this country. Treaty workshops all around the country spreading bias about the treaty. (and National goes along with it)

    I have only heard of one councillor in Rotorua standing up against unelected race based seats on his council.Good on him .

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  25. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    Treaty indoctrination.

    Indeed.

    And how many state sector jobs do we see advertised where one of the “qualities” required for employment is “Supports the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”?

    Yet some 80% of the population do not support this state mandated requirement,as proven in various referenda and opinion polls.

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  26. doggone7 (703 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller

    I know virtually nothing about Ms Harré so can’t comment on the fruits of her labour but you have directly implied that someone else paid for the finer things she enjoys in her life. I realise Graeme Hart put himself in a position through his ‘labour’ that others would pay him so he could enjoy the finer things in life. Was it different for Ms Harré ?

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  27. James Stephenson (2,033 comments) says:

    On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life.

    Such as, apparently, membership of a Napoleonic wars renactment society?

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  28. Harriet (4,523 comments) says:

    Is Cunliffe going to march on Rome under the Nazi and Palestinian Flags with Dotcrim, Minto, Hone, Harre et al?

    Yep ……….and under MMP! :cool:

    And that’s German too y’now! :cool:

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  29. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Here’s an article all the insufferable JK fanboys who hang out at Kiwiblog need to read. I’ve been saying for sometime that staking NZ’s economic future on a relationship with the Chicom generals is a mistake.

    We should only trade with our political allies, and trading with China today is tantamount to trading with Nazi Germany before WWII.

    JK and the Nats are a bunch of weak blind fools and cuddling up to Communist China is one of the biggest mistakes they have made.

    Unfortunately its not only the Nats who have engaged with the Chicoms. Most western countries have similarly reached out to these war mongering communists.

    Readers here have to face the facts. All across the West, we have been badly betrayed by govts who stand as right wing, but act as left wing. National in NZ, the Republicans in the US and the Conservatives in the UK have all betrayed their founding principles and taken us far down the communist road.

    The NZ’s govt fawning relationship with Red China is one of the worst examples of this betrayal. To stake NZ’s future on an economic pact with these totalitarian monsters is a reckless gamble that could easily end in real disaster.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10102271/Too-much-at-risk-to-stay-quiet

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  30. Lucia Maria (2,208 comments) says:

    Remember the story just a couple of days ago where a woman was stoned to death in public by her family for marrying the wrong man? Well, it turns out he killed his first wife so that he could marry her. Lovely.

    Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) — The husband of Farzana Parveen, the Pakistani woman stoned to death for refusing to participate in an arranged marriage, told CNN he killed his first wife so he could marry Parveen.

    Authorities said the first wife was killed six years ago.

    “I wanted to send a proposal to Farzana, so I killed my wife,” Mohammad Iqbal said Thursday in an interview with CNN.

    Zulfiqar Hameed, district inspector general for the Punjab police, said Iqbal’s son from the first marriage alerted police to the slaying six years ago.

    I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says

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  31. Scott (1,707 comments) says:

    For those who not familiar with Islam’s general response to the presence of Christian churches in their proximity we have the following news –
    “At least 30 Christians were shot dead by Muslim rebels in an attack on a church in the war-torn Central African Republic, a pastor said.”We were in the church when were heard the shooting outside,” the Rev. Freddy Mboula of Notre Dame de Fatima in Bangui told The Associated Press. “There were screams and after 30 minutes of gunfire there were bodies everywhere.”
    http://www.mychristiandaily.com/index.php/uk/186-generic-news-5-7/10720-30-christians-killed-inside-church-by-muslims

    It appears to be a fact that Moslems cannot even abide Christians worshipping in the church. Christians don’t have to say anything in public, it’s just their presence and their worship that Moslems find intolerable.
    That’s one more reason why “the religion of peace” cannot be allowed to gain a foothold in this country. It’s not that we Christians can’t tolerate them. Once in power they cannot tolerate us.

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  32. Odakyu-sen (441 comments) says:

    ” It’s not that we Christians can’t tolerate them. Once in power they cannot tolerate us.”

    You mean something like Niemöller’s quote: “First they came for the Christians…”

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  33. Harriet (4,523 comments) says:

    “…..You mean something like Niemöller’s quote: “First they came for the Christians…”….”

    Or far better this one:

    “……I lived in Germany during the Nazi Holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. We heard stories of what was happening to the Jews, but we tried to distance ourselves from it, because, what could anyone do to stop it? A railroad track ran behind our small church and each Sunday morning we could hear the whistle in the distance and then the wheels coming over the tracks.
    We became disturbed when we heard the cries coming from the train as it passed by. We realized that it was carrying Jews like cattle in the cars! Week after week the whistle would blow. We dreaded to hear the sound of those wheels because we knew that we could hear the cries of the Jews en route to a death camp. Their screams tormented us.
    We knew the time the train was coming and when we heard the whistle blow we began singing hymns. By the time the train came past our church we were singing at the top of our voices. If we heard the screams, we sang more loudly and soon we heard them no more. Years have passed and no one talks about it anymore. But I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. God forgive me; forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians yet did nothing to intervene…….

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  34. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Vice President Biden urges Air Force Cadets to help shape the New World Order http://www.paulbegleyprophecy.com also http://rt.com/usa/162344-biden-new-wo

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  35. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ” “Europe has succeeded in subordinating the parliaments of its nation states, including the UK, to become the equivalent of local councils within a wider United States of Europe” ~ Wishart.”

    Stephieboy really needs waking up

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  36. wiseowl (763 comments) says:

    Agree with you Red over China, however seems you are on the outer if you challenge the move to put so many eggs in that basket.
    Had a friend ,very much private enterprise person, who went over there and came back so excited and full of enthusiasm .

    It just doesn’t make sense placing so much emphasis on trading with a communist country and how come so many of them are millionaires ?
    I thought they were all supposed to be equal?

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  37. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    People are free to trade with China as individuals but I am talking about govts like the NZ govt gambling all of our future development on agreements with Communist country officials. They’re untrustworthy, corrupt and cronyist and also bent on buying political influence to expand global power. Its a mistake for NZ to rely on China as a major trading partner.

    Secondly,China is currently focused on replacing the US as a major world power. Its increasing its political influence all over the globe with this objective. Should any democratic western country be actively engaged in assisting Communist China in this intent?

    Bill English’s economic forecasts depend too heavily on trade with Communist China. We are basically their plaything, and what political and strategic concessions could they force from our govt under threat of cutting off trade?

    Bottom line is they’re dangerous and untrustworthy people and we take a huge risk in making them our most favoured trade partner. The largely Asian issues talked about in the referenced article are only the tip of the iceberg. There’s much more going on behind the scenes in the South Pacific, the South Americas and Africa.

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    » All Blacks Hitler attack by Samoan rugby star

    In an apparent bid to get the New Zealand rugby team to tour the Polynesian Islands, former Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu has claimed that the All Blacks would have toured Nazi Germany “if Hitler had an interest in rugby”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/10102605/All-Blacks-Hitler-attack-by-Samoan-rugby-star

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  39. Harriet (4,523 comments) says:

    Lucia#

    Thanks very much for that information. I will most certainly look at the Christian book website as I too am going back over algebra. The programme I have had for a couple of years, but I want to further the use and my knowledge of it as it is very powerful and robust for analyzing data.

    ‘Programming is really a combination of logic and language. Maths, being the ultimate in logic and language, goes far beyond what is necessary for programming.’ That’s a good way of explaining the differance – so I now mainly only have to learn maths that is necessary to the programming[AFL] – if I find I have to. That’s good as I can mostly now learn it from a programming point of view – than looking at it from the more difficult mathmatical point of view. Thanks again Lucia.

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  40. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    Unfortunately for Reddy, China is not going anywhere. It is well on track to becoming the world’s largest economy. New Zealand cannot afford to choose its trading partners over vague political ideals.

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  41. Odakyu-sen (441 comments) says:

    “God forgive me; forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians yet did nothing to intervene…….”

    The admission “but we tried to distance ourselves from it, because, what could anyone do to stop it?” right there tells you that these Christians right from the onset felt powerless to influence the state. So, in typical bleeding-heart fashion, they flagellate themselves with guilt for not doing anything (that would have immediately gotten themselves and their families sent to the same camps).

    Like a cancer, once the totalitarian apparatus is in place, you, non-state-party left-wingers or anyone (and their families) is a target for the state police to liquidate.

    To quote that oldie but goody: “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” You have to kill the first few cells of a cancer; not wait until it metastasizes.

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  42. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    China may be on track to become the world’s largest economy.But it won’t make it.

    One problem for China is state control of the economy and we know where that eventually and inevitably leads.

    There are far too many problems for China to overcome to become a genuine world leading economy.Everything there comes down to Deng opening up to foreign investment back in the seventies.That was the key to the current boom.The underlying basis for a successful economy isn’t there. Democracy, private property rights,rule of law…….Now the major “investor” is not foreign capital but the party itself building infrastructure in China and abroad that isn’t strategic but more ‘make work” for the hordes who expect their current false standard of living to be maintained forever by the state.

    Why is all the “smart money” in China going overseas? Even the Chinese elites don’t believe in China’s future as stable and assured.

    There will be a “revolution of rising expectations” and when that happens it will turn very ugly for the Chinese people themselves and it will hurt economies such as ours who are over reliant on that market.

    Make money now by all means, but diversify or die.

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  43. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    Any country where this type of thing happens on a regular basis will never be a world power.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642922/Two-teenage-sisters-14-15-hanging-mango-tree-gang-raped-Indian-village.html

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  44. Paulus (2,502 comments) says:

    Of course Laila Harre can afford to be a Socialist, and enjoy the finer things of life, like David Cunliffe – the only difference being that Laila inherited a substantial fortune from her grandfather – the inventor of the Jandal I understand.

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  45. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    Is it moral for our government to deal with the government of the PRC on an equal basis when this is how they treat political prisoners?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10856528/Tiananmen-Square-massacre-anniversary-the-last-prisoner-of-the-protests.html

    We won’t let American warships visit, but Chinese communist warships are welcome?

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  46. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    I think any Chinese warships visiting here would have to do so on the same basis as American ones.

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  47. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    That’s not the point. They are warships of an aggressive oppressive state.They have no business here. They are the enemy.

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  48. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    We are not at war with China.

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  49. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    Prostitutes of the world, unite!
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8852797/pam-corkery-joins-internet-party

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  50. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    “We are not at war with China.”

    Oh yes those kindly Chinese . Claims to Vietnamese, Philippine ,Taiwanese and Japanese territory. A massive militarisation of the region. Japan considering a change to its pacifist constitution as a result,support for the evil DPRK.What’s not to like?

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  51. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    If we were to cease trading with every regime that did not meet our own high standards of democracy and openness, we would soon become quite impoverished.

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  52. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    that did not meet our own high standards of democracy and openness

    :?

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  53. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    We’re No. 1!

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  54. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    milky

    The tea trolley is long gone. Kindly get back to work and continue saving the country from itself.

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  55. mikenmild (10,744 comments) says:

    Is it not time to knock off early for the long weekend?

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  56. ciaron (1,315 comments) says:

    Just to mellow it out a bit.

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  57. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    So John Key’s assurance that we would not be spied was a lie. The GCSB is allowed to spy on metadata.

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/statute-or-its-bullshit.html

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  58. lilman (892 comments) says:

    Pam Corkery- I was just sick in my mouth .

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  59. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This Slobcom/Hadfield alliance is producing as many failed socialist rodents as the GWRC.

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  60. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    Pam Corkery- I was just sick in my mouth .

    Yah, it’s even more like the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants super villain team-up.

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  61. wiseowl (763 comments) says:

    Stuff reports a kiwi was off to Syria.
    Named as Mohamed Amin.

    A kiwi FFS.?

    No way.

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  62. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    kowtow, any contention with China cannot be over their internal politics, there are just too many nations that have regimes of that ilk. However their regional bullying is not something that a nation with aspirations for the UNSC can ignore. If our words in support of solidarity with the little nations as a voice for them on that body are to have any meaning, as per international law, then we have to be on the side of other nations being subjugated in China’s quest for humiliating their neighbours to an order of Chinese regional hegemony.

    Claiming uninhabited rocks in the sea are part of China and then claiming sea right up to the coasts of other nations is like nothing in the region since Japan in the 1930′s/1940′s.

    Being silent in this matter is to sign up to being China’s imperial farm.

    The 19th C reprised in the 21st Century.

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  63. Brian Smaller (3,992 comments) says:

    On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life.

    Such as, apparently, membership of a Napoleonic wars renactment society?

    James – it is a cheap hobby. If Laila Harre were involved she would be a shoe in as a camp follower.

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  64. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    As per China’s economic future, they will surely become the largest economy.

    While they have risk in the level of state direction (economy serving geopolitical goals), and a financial risk from politicised credit supply (both at central level and in loose management of lower level local body activity), there is sufficient self awareness and resulting common sense to balance that.

    The once heralded Japanese rise was limited by a smaller population than the USA (and low population replacement and little immigration unlike the USA) and thus always overblown. China has some way to grow internally from wealth already generated externally, and a greater internal resource base than Japan. And its population is still growing, albeit moderated. Once they have raised living standards and more fully urbanised they will move to a 2 child policy (given most of the urban world is now choosing two child families).

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  65. questions (169 comments) says:

    In addition to noting Jackinabox’s domestic terrorism sympathies, and David Garrett’s self presumed right to expect to be treated with respect when he turns up to a juvenile detention center to wind up inmates, there is a wider thing that needs to be looked at.

    Redbaiters buddies over at Stormfront. I think the lot of you should take a good hard look at yourselves.

    From this article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/murder-capital-of-the-internet-at-stormfront-website-of-former-klan-boss/story-fnb64oi6-1226935550650#

    The build-up to a killing often follows a pattern, according to Heidi Beirich, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has tracked the site. The typical Stormfront murderer is a “frustrated, unemployed, white adult male living with his mother or an estranged spouse or girlfriend. She is the sole provider in the household”.

    Forensic psychologists call him a “wound collector”. Instead of searching for a job, “he projects his grievances on society and searches the internet for an explanation unrelated to his behaviour or the choices he has made in life”.

    He begins by reading right-wing anti-government websites. He progresses to hate sites where he will read diatribes claiming that his race is under attack — a target of “white genocide”. He is likely to spend hundreds of hours online.

    “He gradually gains acceptance in this online den of self-described ‘lone wolves’, but he gets no relief, no practical remedies, no suggestions to improve his circumstances. He just gets angrier,” Ms Beirich said. “And then he gets a gun.”

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  66. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    A defeat for Jim Neanderton and his mob. The soon the bugger disappears from Earth, the better for NZ.
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8852917/cathedral-can-be-taken-down-judge

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  67. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”The typical Stormfront murderer is a “frustrated, unemployed, white adult male living with his mother or an estranged spouse or girlfriend. She is the sole provider in the household”.”…..

    Right…..that’s it Baity. Off to McDonalds & apply for a job on Tuesday! :)

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  68. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    So far the greatest risk to us from our Chinese farm role dependency is meeting Chinese import standards. Those companies unable to export to China will be bought up by those who can.

    But local nitrate levels in our water are placing a limit on the level of dairy supply – the ambition is to increase it but environmentally the current level may be hard to sustain.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/poisoned-pasture/
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/10085395/Nitrate-leaching-rules-to-devastate-farming

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  69. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    “Stuff reports a ‘kiwi’ off to Syria”

    I have but one response to that.

    I hope the legitimate forces of Syria, Assads’ military serve the fucker his arse on plate,with a side order of pavlova of course, seeing he’s a “kiwi”.

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  70. stigie (916 comments) says:

    “Right…..that’s it Baity. Off to McDonalds & apply for a job on Tuesday! :)”

    Cant do that Nasska, the keyboard warrior want have time to come on here to make your life a misery ?

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  71. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”a misery ?”….stigie!

    Engaging with the keyboard ninja is like being gummed by a nana. :)

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  72. stigie (916 comments) says:

    Always wondered whether you got off by the warrior Nasska, now that he has a muscle car !~

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  73. Rowan (1,786 comments) says:

    Manolo
    I think they should have awarded costs against the d…head as well, what’s the bet that these do gooders and zealots try appealing this further! Time to bring in the diggers!

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  74. RRM (9,467 comments) says:

    People who care about preservation of CHCH Cathedral have had over 3 years to fundraise, if they’d done that then today they might have been in a position to offer to buy the wreck from the Anglican diocese, and they would then have been free to pursue repair options.

    But no… instead they preferred not to bother with any of that, but just whinged from the sidelines, telling the Anglicans how they should be spending their own funds on their own property. And then complaining some more when they were ignored.

    I am sorry to see it go, but I have no time for those who have wasted the last 3 years whinging and opining that someone else should be fixing “their” cathedral for them. I’m sorry but there was an opportunity to do something and you’ve blown it.

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  75. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    Muslim rights trump ‘equality” in multicultural Canada and is backed up by a human rights commission,Nova Scotia.

    No surprises there.

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  76. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    How unsurprising to see Kiwiblog’s resident cowards trying to smear those who don’t agree with them. Typically left wing. And funny how Narsekissa who commonly describes himself as RW is so frequently observed adopting that kind of left wing behaviour pattern, and is so frequently joining forces with the left wing on here to attack real right wingers.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center is well known as a communist front with zero credibility, so whatever delusional stories its writes, it doesn’t matter much. No one with a brain pays it any heed.

    Pamela Geller has got those communist scum sorted.

    http://pamelageller.com/2012/06/pamela-geller-vs-communist-splc.html/

    The facts are another matter, and contrary to the SPLC’s / Questions’s crank commie claims, the thread that connects most mass murderers is their connection with the Democrat Party.

    - Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim.
    - Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
    - Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
    - James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
    - Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
    - Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
    - James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
    - Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
    - Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
    - Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
    - Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.
    - Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…

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  77. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Anders Behring Breivik, carried out the 2011 Norway attacks.

    Right-wing extremist Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people.

    In April 1999, David Copeland, a neo-Nazi, planted a series of nail bombs over 13 days.

    How many more do you want? Fired up homicidal nuts kill people regardless of political leanings.

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  78. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Cowards smear.

    The evidence for that is right here.

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  79. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    “I believe we and mainly you have an incredible opportunity to lead in shaping a new world order for the 21st century in a way consistent with American interests and common interests” ~ Joe Biden

    http://gazette.com/biden-challenges-graduating-air-force-academy-cadets-to-create-a-new-world-order/article/1520651

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  80. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”Cowards smear.

    The evidence for that is right here.”…..

    Hold on…..I’m searching for a fuck to give.

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  81. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    BTW, being Neo Nazi is not “right wing”. Anyone believing in big powerful govt as any kind of solution is a left winger. McVeigh was a Libertarian and agnostic.

    As usual, the Ekatahuna Imbecile, who shows more signs of an unhealthy obsession than many writers on here, is using left wing misinformation to attack the right.

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  82. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    The courageous eat ninja gum before smearing others as cowards.

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  83. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…

    ROFL

    Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet found on the stretcher, is virtually undamaged and had no blood or tissue on it. Its appearance is consistent with having been fired through the rifle into water or cotton, recovered, and then planted. Also, there is a serious question as to whether the minimal amount of lead missing from the base of CE-399 can account for the fragments left behind in JFK and Connally.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Single_Bullet_Theory

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  84. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”As usual, the Ekatahuna Imbecile, who shows more signs of an unhealthy obsession than many writers on here, is using left wing misinformation to attack the right.”…..

    I won’t gild the lily…..see my 6.09pm. :)

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  85. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Doesn’t like “engaging” but along with his pathetic little commie arse licking crawler mate Stigie had this evening written 3 or 4 posts mentioning or directed at Redbaiter before I even showed up here.

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  86. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    I knew you’d be lurking Baity. :)

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  87. dad4justice (7,790 comments) says:

    What high school do you attend nutska?

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  88. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    D4J

    Pass.

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  89. Colville (2,081 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10103862/Pam-Corkery-joins-Internet-Party

    is the picture of Pam 20 years out of date or what?

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  90. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Just maybe the internet address of some posters is known by other posters – so they know when you are lurking.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/privacy_policy

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  91. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    From where I stand there are some positives concerning our fat German. Cunners and Labour are being pushed into the background and deprived of oxygen. Didums……

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  92. kowtow (7,634 comments) says:

    Donald Sterling! What a winner!

    $2 billion for the LA clippers.

    Well done.

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  93. Fletch (6,026 comments) says:

    Pregnant woman stoned to death in Pakistan on Tuesday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/pakistani-woman-stoned_n_5396665.html

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  94. big bruv (13,311 comments) says:

    “Stigie had this evening written 3 or 4 posts mentioning or directed at Redbaiter before I even showed up here.”

    Ahh, speaking in the third person again.

    “Not unlike the royal we, referring to oneself in the third person is a sign of extreme narcissism”

    http://makyamcbee.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/vs-referring-to-yourself-in-the-third-person/

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  95. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Fletch, that was not a sharia law thing, it was simply the parents wanting to force their daughter to accept the arranged marriage they intended for her.

    Arranged marriage is a widespread issue. It is a legacy of poverty – feeding the daughter is seen as a cost to develop “the asset” for sale – dowry paid to them by the husband. Like a fatted calf sent off to sale. Thus a fear that the asset would be ruined if not married off young before loss of virginity and pregnancy to a man of her choice.

    The solution is

    1. food security to the family
    2. education to the daughter so she can earn money to support the family before marriage
    3. contraception being available so having her remain unmarried is not a “shameful” pregnancy risk.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27619295

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  96. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Thank goodness I never popped up tonight so Minus could have a lie in! :)

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  97. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Like cancer and rust you never sleep Minus and are just as welcome! :)

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  98. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Illegal migration into Europe 60,000 so far this year.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27628416

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  99. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Johnboy… Just LMK and for the right price I will take minus out of your life. I feel your your hurt when he gives you a minus. When I was an impressionable kid I used to love seeing gangsters in films setting people into concrete shoes and giving swimming lessons.

    I am near the Hutt River so can work something out.

    If minus was a greenie there would be no charge.

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  100. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Microsoft’s former CEO Steve Ballmer has reached a deal to buy the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team for $2bn (£1.2bn), reports say.

    But the deal is only with Mrs Sterling and the co-trustee says he will not sell.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27630630

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  101. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Oh woe woe woe is me SPC….We’re all doomed I tell you! :)

    http://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/1200bc_abstracts.pdf

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  102. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I love Minus and all his clones actually RF.

    They give me a reason for carrying on here as a a complete prick.

    Without them my KB life would be meaningless! :)

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  103. dad4justice (7,790 comments) says:

    Great to see the Crusaders win again eh big blouse bigot.

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  104. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Johnboy, it’s only a problem for those in the north when the sea peoples are coming from the south.

    But on tonight’s form I cannot see the Crusaders beating the Hurricanes next week. One invasion easily repulsed.

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  105. big bruv (13,311 comments) says:

    D4J

    Were you allowed to watch the Crusaders when you were locked up?

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  106. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Thank God we Northwestern sea peoples have been welcomed with open arms by the indigenous folks of this South Pacific paradise then SPC! :)

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  107. dad4justice (7,790 comments) says:

    Unlock your twisted head big blouse you scum of the earth maggot thriving on false allegations. You need mental help you creep.

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  108. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    On a more recent welcoming it’s nice to see that the indigenous folk of Northland are happy to welcome, with open pockets, a fatarse bastard when their more honourable ancestors were more than pleased to bayonet his kind! :)

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  109. dad4justice (7,790 comments) says:

    Johnboy is the fat German going to buy a new treaty.? :-)

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  110. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    johnboy, is minus your shadow? The demon inside you after you have had a drink, the one that punishes you for tomorrows hangover by downticking your posts?

    I thought it was mikenmild who was guilt-ridden after selling his soul/drinking premises to HVM.

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  111. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Keep up with the treaty play Dad he’s bought the Hone hori (who comes real cheap) and he’s bought the Laila whori (who’s had more parties than you’ve had arguments with Bruv) :)

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  112. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Who knows SPC. Minus makes my time here that much more enjoyable.

    You can really get your rocks off when you know every comment you make utterly pisses off some nonentity! :)

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  113. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    A disembodied non entity, a shadow lurking on the net, who regards this as a place for everyone to be serious and thus has a “German’s” sense of vendetta and the appropriate “appreciation of humour” to go with that when others dare to show any levity.

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  114. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Quite so SPC and whoever minus is he or she has no appreciation of the pleasures to be derived from playing about with virtual sheep! :)

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  115. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    I once wrote a strongly worded letter to the US Ambassador Josiah Horton Beeman (back in the 1990′s), telling the USA off for what they were doing to our precious lambs. I told them to get their tariffs off them. And added gratuitously that they could post up a message from me to the CIA to be pro human rights in future (as if those who did such things to lambs would ever listen).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-4lk2-UA_I&feature=kp

    Now it is known that being nice to lambs is a sign of civilisation and those who will not do this will probably go on to abuse human rights.

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  116. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Johnboy.. Ok I will wear fishnet stockings and a short dress to lure minus onto my tricycle built for 2. After a good spanking I will send him back to you. God… Just thinking about this makes me feel dizzy.

    You keep very strange company.

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  117. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Only since you befriended me RF! :)

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  118. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    How did you get that last photo of me (when I used to smoke) SPC….. cuddling my beloved Flossy? :)

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  119. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Enough dirty talk. Off to bed to dream about my new mistress Laila. If she is busy I will turn to Pam.

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