General Debate 6 May 2014

May 6th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    First? Yep; first :D

    Roll on 2pm; today’s Question Time could be fun for young and old. I’ll make the prediction now that QT will not end with the same number of MP’s in the Chamber as there were when it began. I think David Carter will have a testing day.

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  2. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    Taxi drivers should be allowed to charge what they like as far as I care.

    But, the km/rate and flag fall should be prominently displayed before you even enter the taxi so you can compare the cabs in the rank.

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  3. Scott Chris (6,149 comments) says:

    Wonder if Konrad Hurrell blew a kiss to his Mum after he scored…

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  4. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Today our politicians are planning on sweeping drugs under the campaign carpet.

    John Key has pledged to set the ‘low harm’ bar so low that anything that clears the hurdle will be “so weak they will not be considered drugs”.

    Both key and David Cunliffe have pledged to keep cannabis illegal, so no matter who forms the next Government there seems no prospect of realistically addressing drugs until 2017 at least.

    It may be representing a majority but it does nothing to resolve a Drugged Democracy.

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  5. minus (201 comments) says:

    See? – Cunliffe still pisses me off
    He’s managed to accept and probably use secret donations that, when found out, he has turned into secret six-month loans

    David Cunliffe has admitted a trust was used to take donations for his leadership campaign, allowing him to sidestep the obligation to disclose donations in the MPs’ register of financial interests …
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/cunliffes-secret-trust-dc-152735

    Then … Rather than face the embarrassment of New Zealanders knowing who his donors are, [Cunliffe] refunded the money.

    Isn’t accepting a loan from unidentified persons, hoping to influence the position of a Member of Parliament, an infringement of Standing Orders?
    Just a little? :-)

    [I have to mention this again – sorry – because anti-corruption transparent Winston is so busy trying to frame the coup de grâce Question to smash outm Judith Collins]

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  6. flipper (4,081 comments) says:

    Ok…

    David Carter’s instructions for the battle of the egos………

    “Seconds out now. “No scratching; no biting; no hitting below the belt; no hitting after the bell; break when instructed.

    “Shake hands…and let the battle begin.

    “And may thr best man [generic use of the word] win. “

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  7. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,814 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Yep, have the popcorn ready – today may not achieve anything, but by god it is bound to be entertaining.

    Will Carter handle the jandal? Is there such a thing as a double gloat? Will Winston be removed from the house?

    The one thing I will put my money on, is that Collins will be a picture of decorum – she daren’t be anything but.

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  8. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Yes Pete,I guess we can rely on Peter DO NOTHING Dunne to save us?

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  9. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Case study: Developers v’s Residents Houston USA.

    Developers can move forward with the proposed Ashby high-rise after a much-anticipated ruling Thursday by a judge who agreed the tower is a nuisance for its immediate neighbors but concluded there was no way he could stop the project or determine a more appropriate alternative.

    “If an injunction is granted, there is no question but that it will have a chilling effect on other developments in Houston,” wrote state District Judge Randy Wilson, a stance that drew mostly positive comments from the development community for eliminating uncertainty for groups considering future projects.

    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Ashby-ruling-allows-high-rise-to-go-forward-5447064.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=edb67c600d3b9e5e12

    Owen McShane maintained it was o.k as people on the fringes of housing developments brought at a discount.
    [RMA National Real Estate “Asia is Our Future”]]

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  10. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Hey PG ,did Dunnes wife ever get to read those Emails fron the young female reporter?
    Or was it swept under the carpet?

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  11. flipper (4,081 comments) says:

    A message for DPF…..

    May we -please have a separate post for “immigration and land development” to accommodate the one and only single subject nutter?

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  12. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    The brilliant James Delingpole weighs in on the Clarkson “N-word” affair and skewers the language totalitarians:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/05/Jeremy-Clarkson-the-N-word-and-the-creeping-tyranny-of-political-correctness

    I won’t spoil it but here are 5 of his top ten examples “of when I think you might reasonably argue it’s still OK for a white person to use the “N” word without it meaning they’re a member of the Ku Klux Klan or that they ought to be sacked from their job forthwith”. Number 5 had me in stitches:
    1. In a quiz, when they’re asked the name of Guy Gibson’s dog in The Dambusters – or, indeed, X 3, the code phrase used by the Lancaster pilots to signal that the dams had been successfully breached.
    4. It’s your Latin class and you’re saying the word for “black”.
    5. You’re starring as a nasty white person in a liberal-guilt-porn movie such as Twelve Years A Guardian Reader and you are required to make your character more realistic and unpleasant.
    7. You’re talking about the funniest moment in the entire history of South Park, when Randy appears on Wheel Of Fortune and the clue is “People who annoy you” – and the word is “N-GGERS”
    9. You are an outspoken controversialist who loathes the stultifying effects of political correctness and wants to test its boundaries.

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  13. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    A drug and booze crazed idiot gets 12 months home detention for among other offences ,smashing a woman in the face causing serious injury?

    Aotearoa ,a country fit for criminals.

    Obviously not mellow yellow, eh Pete?Cannabis abusers are just such nice people .

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/301206/victims-deeply-affected

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  14. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    No surprises here – the EU & the UK Govt are paying for Anti-UKIP propaganda to dissuade the populace to vote for UKIP.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/05/eu-and-uk-govts-propagandise-using-taxpayer-money

    We’ve come full circle in history and as many people are waking up to, it is no longer a matter of “left” vs. the “right”, it is now the people vs. the Political class, the Rulers vs. the Ruled, the governed vs. those governing.

    Don’t let the novel concept of “representative democracy” lull you into a false sense of security – since the dawn of mankind, this is the oldest battle in the book.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/a-fable-for-our-time/

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  15. MT_Tinman (3,202 comments) says:

    wreck1080 (3,555 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 8:05 am
    Taxi drivers should be allowed to charge what they like as far as I care.

    But, the km/rate and flag fall should be prominently displayed before you even enter the taxi so you can compare the cabs in the rank.

    Wreck, by law they are displayed both on the front passenger’s door (exterior) and inside the vehicle in a place visible to all passengers.

    The notices, incidentally, are approved by LTSA (or whatever name it’s calling itself this week) before being used and checked by the god-squad and during CoFs.

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  16. wf (447 comments) says:

    The Labour jackals are circling, and Winston the hyena is lurking.

    Where’s my shotgun?

    I want to know Who Cunliffe’s mystery donors were, and why they are so reluctant to be identified. What promises did they get in return for the donations? Legality for the Legal Highs? Entry for his cousin’s aunt’s dairy products to Ghina? What could they possibly be?
    If Cunliffe ever wants to get credibility (haha) he should tell us, otherwise he will be lumped in with Winston and his unpaid $158k.
    Come to think of it, he seems to be joining him voluntarily.

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (6,842 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    I doubt very much that cannabis was the sole ingredient of what he smoked and mixed with the bourbon. Cannabis does not tend to accompany violence – alcohol yes, but given that many dealers are lacing cannabis with other substances, it’s my pick this guy was loaded with something else as well.

    When Home Detention was being considered for being offered as a sentencing option, the rules were very strict, and any type of drug addiction/abuse was deemed to make the offender not eligible for the sentence of HD. Not sure when this changed, but I note there are now a heap of offences that allow HD, that I’m damned if I would support – even if it is the cheaper option. Home detention should in my mind only be considered when the type of offending is unable to be continued during the sentence.

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  18. jcuk (693 comments) says:

    MT T … I guess it depends on what “prominently” means and is implemented ?

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  19. twofish (95 comments) says:

    This sort of bullying psychopathy makes her singularly unsuitable for any ministerial role –

    Indeed in terms of bullying, will today see who is the biggest [figurative, because they are both bloody short] bully, Winston or that little fat guy from Labour, vying to make history in taking down Judith Collins, or will Cunliffe ham in over the little fat guy from Labour because David should look like a leader?
    Just as well impressionable little kids are back at school and not flipping channels with the chance of seeing Parliamentary TV.

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  20. Tauhei Notts (1,722 comments) says:

    $198 cab fare from Mangere to Albany.
    I offered to bet my mates $20 that the driver came from the sub-continent.
    No takers.
    That’s like betting on the ethnic origin of a suspect on Police 10/7, one of them remarked.

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  21. Manolo (13,833 comments) says:

    A left-wing rag opines: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/10011210/Editorial-Key-must-weigh-up-Collins-risk

    Judith Collins must go before it’s too late.

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  22. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    What are the chances of dotcom being one of Cunliffe’s donors?

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  23. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts. What in god’s name has the ethnic origin of a taxi driver got to do with the fares his employer charges? If ethnic kiwis are too lazy or too greedy to do the graft needed to drive taxis in Auckland, then we should be grateful for people who do. That comment is about as stupid as a Londoner blaming the price of a pint on the fact that the bar staff are all from the Antipodes.

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  24. MT_Tinman (3,202 comments) says:

    jcuk (529 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 8:54 am
    MT T … I guess it depends on what “prominently” means and is implemented ?

    No, it doesn’t.

    It depends on whether people bother to check the fare schedule before getting in the car.

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  25. Jacob Cohen (46 comments) says:

    Ciaron – What are the chances of dotcom being one of Cunliffe’s donors?

    Dotcom has denied it, but then he is subject of a 72-page Indictment in the USA and several other actions relating to honesty.

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  26. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This crap around Collins and Williamson is starting to really piss me off. Not only is it all the fat fairy can operate on, it is the main topic on TV, NewstalkZB, Fairfax, and APN. These Little lackeys are making it abundantly clear they are as weak as he, and as vile. I would hate to be the Speaker in this session, especially as Bauble Sucker has entered the fray with bullshit evidence. The whole recent affair is the result of Labour-supporting, PSA-indoctrinated, Goff-led scum trying to get their benefactors back into power. It is time a few more heads rolled in MFAT, beig a dropping zone for unwanted drones.

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  27. flipper (4,081 comments) says:

    The Herald this morning takes the unusual step naming the author of its Editorial opinion (Hart, but name since removed).

    The opinion piece makes mountains out of mouse dirts, but it concludes with a message that deserves the very close attention of J Key, W English, S Joyce, P Goodfellow (et al), with which I am unable to disagree.

    ” That pressure on Ms Collins is getting in the way of her doing her job. That state of affairs cannot continue. She has not been red-carded, given the proximity of Mr Williamson’s demise. But she has been directed to take time out.
    She needs to use the yellow card to get her head together and be honest with herself and the nation.”

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  28. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    “I want to know Who Cunliffe’s mystery donors were…”

    It’s such fun when the screamers to know names of the donors to the cause of a prospective leader of a political party which is polling very low, who is rubbished as totally hopeless and insignificant anyway once in the role, are the same who are saying Judith Collins can do whatever she wants, and act as how she wants, because she’s a good minister.

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  29. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    The Port of Vancouver Dispute Is An Immigration Displacement Issue

    Our media have presented the recent strike at the Port of Vancouver as a complicated conflict between workers and management. That may be partly true. But the most important point is that it is a simple immigration issue. In particular, it is an issue of a very large group of low-wage, low-skilled unnecessary immigrants using the practice of under-cutting to overwhelm mainstream Canadian workers and displace them. In a weird twist of logic, these people have compounded the injury by then complaining about being underpaid and demanding wages similar to those paid to the Canadians they displaced.
    Two big questions are these : (1) Why have our governments not done something about this and all other unjust immigration-driven displacement? and (2) Why has our media not focused on the injustice created by this displacement?

    Let’s identify the group that caused the displacement at the Port of Vancouver. They are people of East Indian background. They like to call themselves South Asians, but their most specific label is Sikhs from India’s Punjab.

    Regarding our government’s reaction to them : Many would say that the government and opposition parties have not interfered because they are afraid of losing votes, particularly votes from large Sikh blocks in a number of ridings. In other words, politicians grovel to these blocks. Simultaneously, they treat mainstream Canadians as disposables. All of the thousands of politicians who have behaved this way deserve to be identified, shamed and disposed of.

    Regarding the media’s reaction to them : Many would say that the media, particularly our CBC, is addicted to fawning at the sight of a turban or other ethnic markers. Anyone who follows the CBC and a number of other prominent news chains has seen or heard hundreds of examples of this shameless behaviour. In fact, the most striking thing about the trucking dispute is that all the media have seldom, if ever, identified the offending group as Sikhs. If Canadians did not have television, they would have to guess who these people are. Our Human Rights Commissions have contributed most to this problem. They have created a chill throughout our society about issues like this that need to be discussed publicly. This chill has undermined our grasp of what is going on in our country. But the media should not be allowed to claim that they have to cower to Human Rights Commission bullying. Canada is supposed to be a free society. If Human Rights Commissions are preventing Canadians from seeing what is happening in their country, then the media should be working to expose and abolish Human Rights Commissions and their suppression of issues like this.

    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2014/03/29/port-vancouver-dispute-immigration-displacement-issue/
    http://business.financialpost.com/2014/03/24/b-c-back-to-work-legislation-to-end-truckers-strike-at-vancouver-port-includes-fines-of-up-to-10000/

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  30. Ryan Sproull (7,196 comments) says:

    Hey, Kiwibloggers. I made a thing for you. Well, for you and others who are interested.

    New Zealand Question Time Buzz.

    The idea is that it’s kind of like the worm during political debates, but you can join in from anywhere and see how everyone collectively is reacting to what the MPs are saying in Parliament. There’s an iOS and Android app for it too, if that’s your preference. NZQT kicks off at 2pm.

    Full disclosure is that I’m employed by the company that’s created the dial tool, so keen to hear any feedback you have about it.

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  31. questions (208 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock says: I think David Carter will have a testing day.

    Probably being briefed by Eagleson right now as to what he needs to do in the house this afternoon.

    Re the taxi’s, its not the fare I have a problem with, its all the buttons they start pushing at the end which and 4 dollars here, 2 there so and and so fourth, I once had a taxi ride increase 50% in cost for all the button pushing for no apparent reason.

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  32. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    What QT today will show is just a bigger version of the usual “kids play pit” game which Parliament often is. It will show why most of the voting public ( outside the beltway at least) wonder what their taxes are being wasted on in that building and why politics has become a huge turn off for them.

    Totally agree with igm @9.24

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  33. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    Given the news an MP from NZF has written to Police (on MP letterhead) asking for reconsideration of a Police decision to transfer the local OC to another district, can we now expect Winston Peters to apply the same standards he cited when he vented against the actions of Maurice Williamson and can we also assume Peters will announce he has stood down his own MP, Tracy Martin?

    Because Peters wouldn’t have two sets of ‘standards’, would he?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11250250

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  34. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Elaycee (4,118 comments) says:
    It was just a community matter rather than a property developer from China involved in domestic violence.

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  35. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee – I don’t see Tracey Martin’s action of writing on MP letterhead as a sacking offence, but it a significant lapse of judgment by her, especially when she signed the letter as the chair of Mahurangi College BoT.

    But wait until you hear Winston’s rant later today; it’s gold!

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  36. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    I think a lot of us are Crystal Palace fans today

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  37. Manolo (13,833 comments) says:

    Will the resident jihadist defend this atrocity? http://news.sky.com/story/1255454/boko-haram-to-sell-abducted-nigerian-girls

    The Islamist kidnapper of more than 200 Nigerian girls missing since April 14 has vowed to sell them, reports say.
    Abubakar Shekau claimed in a video obtained by AFP that a buyer for the schoolgirls would be found.

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  38. questions (208 comments) says:

    Perhaps he could find a buyer here Manolo, someone here was singing the praises of slavery just a few days ago (name escapes me).

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Re: Boko Haram

    Turkish Airlines allegedly shipped weapons to unknown groups in Nigeria, which has been ravaged by violence between the army and Boko Haram militants, a new incriminating phone call revealed on Tuesday.
    https://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/29/bfp-exclusive-turkish-power-struggle-impedes-natos-campaign-in-syria/

    The attack on the Benghazi consulate and CIA annex followed a meeting between Ambassador Stevens and Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin. Seymour Hersh has described what the CIA called the rat line, the supply chain for the Syrian militants overseen by the US in covert cooperation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

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  40. flipper (4,081 comments) says:

    So “interfering” (asking questions) in a Police investigation is taboo for Ministers. (Not by Statute, bear in mind. But by administrative fiat.)

    That had now morphed into “operational” matters.

    This is becoming ridiculous.
    The NZ Police are not the “Sword and Shield”, a la KGB. They are a department of state given special investigatory and prosecution powers.

    Tax payers meet the cost of all Police operations. I elect MPs to run the nation. I do not get to appoint a substitute. If MPs cannot “interferer” in Police operational (as distinct from prosecution/investigation) then we have come to a sorry state of affairs..

    I hold no brief for Martin, and less for the serial liar, Peters. But on this occasion I am with Martin.

    The letter should have been written on school letterhead. But that does not deny her ability to write, nor any validity that her arguments may have.
    If Peters gets belted about the ears over this, it is something he will have brought on himself.

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  41. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    ryan sproul

    Feedback? Here’s some.

    What the hell is “iOS” and “Android app”?

    Full disclosure; I don’t own a mobile phone or other such innovation. Happy not to.

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  42. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Flipper

    Re: ‘If Peters gets belted about the ears over this, it is something he will have brought on himself’.

    Except that he won’t!! Winnie has the gift of the gab (it comes I understand, with his training as a lawyer), and can slide-out from anything that doesn’t suit himself first and then, perhaps, the ‘Party’. The MSM love him of course, (and he knows it, and plays to it), especially when he says outrageous things against the current government. This is why he is effectively given a ‘free ride’, in the media, despite behaviour that really should be investigated and which in other parts of the world would be closely-scrutinised. His ‘antics’ and pronouncements fit in completely with the MSM’s unwritten agenda of ‘get at the Nats any way we can’, so no, he won’t be held to account, and no journalist is going to ‘investigate’ too closely; it would spoil the ‘Oh Winnie, you’e SUCH a naughty boy’ narrative they follow.

    And if he actually IS ‘belted about the ears’ you’ll probably not be given much detail anyway and, as always, it won’t make the headlines.

    As I said before, the narrative is all important, and if it doesn’t fit, then ignore it, or ‘invent’ something better…

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  43. NoCash (258 comments) says:

    Have a look at the photo at the bottom of the page:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11249855

    Did Judith Collins in 1977 look a bit like Belinda Todd?

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  44. flipper (4,081 comments) says:

    Komata (990 comments) says:

    May 6th, 2014 at 11:16 am
    *****

    Cannot disagree.

    And it is worth comparing what Collins said about Bradford with what Peters says about Slater.

    The Whale nails him a recording of the conversation available on his blog. Whales opined, almost certainly correctly, that the SM will ignore Peters outburst and concentrate in Collins.

    Oh dear. What standards the MSM exhibit in 2014.

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  45. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    Kia kaha Judith
    Eight questions are directed at her.
    Hopefully the opposition gets nothing out of it

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  46. lilman (960 comments) says:

    So Cunliffe says that Collins was untruthful to her boss and the average kiwi would loose their job!!

    1.Cunliffe was a major player in the formation of Fonterra

    2.Cunliffe did Charity work for an local green l group

    3.Cunliffes has war medals that are quite correct according to him

    4.Cunliffe has Trusts and secret donations

    5.When voting for the leadership Cunliffe never mentioned that those on the inner circle were acrtually voting for their
    continued employment.

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  47. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    The thing I don’t understand about Labour continuing on the Collins issue is that they have taken their “flagship” monetary policy off the front pages so quick. If they really believed in it they would have really kept in the lime light as much as they could.
    ( or maybe they have worked through their polls quite quickly that it is not as great as they hoped)

    But then I should not be surprised because their track record in recent years has been all about attacking the man / woman and not worrying about facts or policy.

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  48. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Given the news an MP from NZF has written to Police (on MP letterhead) asking for reconsideration of a Police decision to transfer the local OC to another district, can we now expect Winston Peters to apply the same standards he cited when he vented against the actions of Maurice Williamson and can we also assume Peters will announce he has stood down his own MP, Tracy Martin?

    Because telling the police that you value an officer’s community work and character and asking them to consider letting him to stay in the community is exactly the same as calling the cops and warning them that the wife beater they just arrested is “investing a lot of money in New Zealand”.

    Which one of these is attempting to pervert the course of justice? Go on, tell us.

    You lot are desperate. Collins is bent, and Williamson is bent.

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  49. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ross12
    Because the fall of a senior cabinet minister is a greater political achievement to bring about?
    In any case, policy is the last thing people consider when voting. Case in point: what new policies will National be putting before the electorate?

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  50. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The thing I don’t understand about Labour continuing on the Collins issue is that they have taken their “flagship” monetary policy off the front pages so quick.

    There’s plenty of time for that later.

    What’s important now is telling New Zealanders about the corrupt government minister who used public money and resources to enrich her husband’s company and then lied about it over and over again.

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  51. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Tom

    Re: ‘What’s important now is telling New Zealanders about the corrupt government minister who used public money and resources to enrich her husband’s company and then lied about it over and over again’.

    Oh, you mean lying like David…and David….and David…. and Helun… and Trevor…and David….and….etc., etc., etc., do, and have done….

    Just checking to make sure that we’re talking about the same thing…

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  52. fonctionnaire (11 comments) says:

    Labour will need to be careful that their attacks on Collins are not so vigorous that Collins begins to attract media and public sympathy. She is now in such a weak position that to be effective the tone of the questioning and comments should be “more in sorrow than in anger”. Many react against kicking someone when they are down.

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  53. Ryan Sproull (7,196 comments) says:

    Labour will need to be careful that their attacks on Collins are not so vigorous that Collins begins to attract media and public sympathy. She is now in such a weak position that to be effective the tone of the questioning and comments should be “more in sorrow than in anger”. Many react against kicking someone when they are down.

    Kinda hoping that this kind of thing might shine through in the Buzzdial experiment.

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  54. muggins (3,787 comments) says:

    UNKNOWN Johnny Come Down To Hilo Lyrics

    Johnny Come Down to Hilo

    I neber see de like since I been born
    When a big buck nigger wid his sea boots on,
    chorus:
    Says: `Johnny come down to Hilo,
    Poor old man! Oh, wake her, oh, shake her!
    Oh wake dat gal wid de blue dress on!
    When Johnny comes down to Hilo,
    Poor old man!

    Original version.

    Never seen the like since I been born
    An Arkansas farmer with his sea boots on
    Johnny come down to Hilo, poor old man
    Wake her, shake her
    Wake that gal with the blue dress on
    Johnny come down to Hilo, poor old man

    Politically correct version.

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (698 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    So because Cunnliffe is a prat, that means we have to turn a blind eye at everyone else who acts in a manner unbecoming to a minister?

    I am sorry, but one the first rules I was taught as a child is that two wrongs do not make a right.

    National is encouraging us to vote for them because they are the ‘better’ team – well the evidence this week is not supporting that assertion – in short, it evens the playing field at best – making it more an anyone’s game.

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  56. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    As expected Kent has folded and done to himself what Karam publicly stated he would do when beating him and his hate campaign in the High Court. Meanwhile as the OA looks into who contributed money to Kent and on what basis, also to see if he moved property deliberately from his name in order to avoid paying, Karam will be able to decide if there was any person mentioned in the Judgement who the Judge decided made defamatory comments. Perhaps someone who encouraged the defamation, promised money and in fact aggravated the harm caused. I know who that is, a blow arse who brags about money – what fun and almost impossible to overcome the findings in the judgement against one particular person who was also an administrator. Interesting, more interesting that rehashed bs.

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nostalgia-NZ (4,726 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Yes, good point. The definition has been made, and the comments deemed defamatory – if the administrator can’t/won’t pay, then of course those who actually made the statements should be made to. Aunty Fanny and the sisters, the cook, the teacher and the Catholic ‘well connected’ surely have a bob or two hidden in their voluptuous knickers drawer. :-)

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  58. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ & Judith

    I think I recall Karam saying at the time the judgment was made that he did not expect to receive anything. But he was right to push it just to show these guys cannot expect to say anything they like and get away with it.

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  59. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Another piss weak sentence on a thug. This time he picked on an old couple and another couple, both minding their own business.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/301206/victims-deeply-affected

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  60. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Killer: Get back under your rock…

    Looking at Question time Minister Collins has handled herself very well…dignified. methodical; no histrionics…She will be around a while yet….

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  61. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    Yes he did say that Ross12 and a positive result is a clear as crystal evaluation of internet publishing in NZ. There is a lot more in this story yet. On a similar note there may be a weakening of resolve regarding the Crown and the JR, it was a poorly constructed use of the Royal Prerogative that is being questioned and unlikely to stand critical analysis by the High Court. The fact that one of it’s authors is subject to disclosure isn’t going to be a pretty picture and the climate may encourage some distance to be sought by The Executive from a poorly handled and used exercise of Executive Power.

    One thing at a time of course, still some mopping up to do in respect of the once mighty army that now flees.

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  62. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    She still misled Parliament, David. And should resign.

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  63. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    but David she didn’t actually answer any of the questions – “I don’t recall”, “I don’t agree”, “I believe I’m right” don’t really answer the question

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  64. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Hard lessons and tests can strengthen one Milky…the loser today was Mallard….If I was the Minister I would be asking Mallard to repeat his allegation of personal benefit to the Minister’s family outside the house…You can bet ur arse he won’t….just as you can bet the Killer won’t ever show up at my place…will ya Killer…you big brave boy…

    MikeG: I was listening very closely…She said she disagreed with some premises put to her…but I disagree she resorted to “I dont recall”. or “I believe I am right”…the relevant Hansard will no doubt be put up somewhere soon…

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  65. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I didn’t mean she lied today. She lied to the House on an earlier occasion. I’ll look up yesterday’s thread and re-post the specifics.

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  66. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Collins did well.

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  67. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Milky: No, I knew you weren’t suggesting she lied today…It was obvious she had showed absolutely everything of relevance to Key, and he had presumably satisfied himself that she had no liability…But the whole business is very messy I agree…particularly the precise circumstances of the Oravida meeting vs. the scheduled Justice meeting which clashed with it…

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  68. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    She told the House that she ‘popped in’ to Oravida on the way to the airport. The OIA release showed that it was a pre-planned part of her itinerary. Ergo, she lied. Today’s interesting bit was the suggestion she may have dumped a justice meeting to fit in the Oravida visit. She denies that, of course.

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  69. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Collins did well.

    She did nothing to extricate herself, and the opposition racked up answers that they will use against her in future question periods. It’s only a matter of time.

    They could have gone full bore at her, but chose to keep turning the screw. Remember, it is only a matter of time until the identity of the Chinese official is leaked, and Collins is then toast.

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  70. Nukuleka (331 comments) says:

    Collins did indeed do well. The dull and dreary questioning of opposition parties made no dent whatsoever in her composure- and Anne Tolley in great form answering the confused questioning of Ms Adern.

    Loved it when Collins replied to Winnie that he knew the contents of her diary better than she did!

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  71. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Robertson had nothing today. He needs a smoking gun and he hasn’t got one. Desperate attempts to hang onto any thread such as the suggested removal of a justice meeting at her request, went nowhere. Hang in there Judith, you did really well today.

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  72. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Mikey
    Is that the best you got? How pathetic. Hardly like having secret trusts and secret donors. How much influence did those people expect to get for their money? One thing which has been clearly revealed is what a bunch of bullies the left are.

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  73. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You think it is pathetic to mislead Parliament?

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  74. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Lefties really are bottom feeders.

    According to Tom Jackson:

    “There’s plenty of time for that later.”

    NO, there is not. The election is les than twenty weeks away, and unless Labour has some magic trick up it’s sleeve it’s policy proposals so far have bombed with the public. Unless Labour gets out of the gutter and starts being positive, they are toast.

    “What’s important now is telling New Zealanders about the corrupt government minister who used public money and resources to enrich her husband’s company and then lied about it over and over again.”

    Bullshit. She went to a dinner, that’s all. As to corruption, the two main parties attacking her are led by “Vela family” Winston Peters and Secret Trust Cunliffe.

    The public knows corrupt hypocrites when they see them.

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I don’t think Collins did do well. All she did was leave the door open to have this matter hang over Key and National for much longer. She could have shut that door today, she didn’t. All she had to do was say she accepts how it looked, but that was never her intention – She is sorry, she should have given more thought as to how others could have taken her actions, but in the end she was acting in what she thought at the time was in the best interests of NZ.

    If she had done that, she would have retained her dignity and allowed the PM etc to retain theirs – she would have shut the door on claims of cronyism and ended the matter … a little tainted but still possessing the qualities required of a minister.

    She had the chance to minimise the damage and end the hunt from the left – sadly all she did was wave a red flag and inflame the matter – inciting the left to pursue more information, and tie the medias attention – keeping it away from what really should matter.

    This has to be gone before the budget next week – if it isn’t it will overshadow it.

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  76. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    NO, there is not. The election is les than twenty weeks away, and unless Labour has some magic trick up it’s sleeve it’s policy proposals so far have bombed with the public. Unless Labour gets out of the gutter and starts being positive, they are toast.

    I don’t think that Labour will win the election, but that’s not what this is about. What this is about is removing a corrupt minister from her job.

    “What’s important now is telling New Zealanders about the corrupt government minister who used public money and resources to enrich her husband’s company and then lied about it over and over again.”

    Bullshit. She went to a dinner, that’s all. As to corruption, the two main parties attacking her are led by “Vela family” Winston Peters and Secret Trust Cunliffe.

    Then you haven’t been following the story. She lied on numerous occasions about this visit. There is absolutely no doubt about that as the MFAT documents have shown.

    Ask yourself this: if she were innocent, Collins could have easily extricated herself from this mess weeks ago by telling the truth. She could have:

    (a) Not told porkies about the visit being a drop in for a quick cup of tea on the way to the airport (when it required a 60km trip away from the airport, and it was planned in advance such that the ambassador was invited but refused to attend).

    (b) Revealed the identity of the Chinese government official.

    She did neither of these, which has resulted in MFAT documents showing her to be a liar and the latest leak showing that Oravida got preferential treatment.

    If by some miracle she is actually innocent, she should still go because she is fatally compromised by her own dissembling and poor judgement.

    NB: Collins did nothing today to extricate herself from the accusations. Nothing at all. She has provided no evidence against the accusations made. She thinks that she can wait this out. Well, there is no doubt more evidence to come, and it will be drip fed over time to make her and the government look worse.

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  77. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: Since you confidently predict Collins will be “toast” when the identity of the Chinese official is revealed, you presumably know who that Honourable Gentleman is…so do please accelerate the process and let us all into the secret. (Transliteration of the Gentleman’s name will do fine…)

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  78. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Nothing Judith could have said today would make a blind bit of difference. Do you know why? Because she did nothing wrong and so she will always disagree with the premise. There is no smoking gun.

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  79. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Well, it’s one and a half hours since I invited someone to put up a link to Hansard which shows Collins resorted to “I dont recall” and “I believe I am right…” and similar answers today…. Perhaps someone has put such a link up on another thread?? If so, would some kind person indicate where I might find same…

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  80. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Tom

    I agree, this will overshadow the election if not checked and people will be voting on this matter, and not what is best for New Zealand. That is not good for any of us.

    I wanted to see National get out there today and show us why they are BETTER than anything else on offer – that they are the best – not just as good or bad as everyone else. Their defense today was to point out that Labour/Green/NZ 1st – has made similar mistakes – what does that achieve? What sort of excuse is that? They’ve done it, so we can too? It’s childish and immature.

    The performance today in the house was sad – sad for all New Zealanders in that it revealed we don’t have any choice that is worth making. Bloody disgusting for a country that continues to punch above its weight on the world stage, but domestically is a mess.

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  81. goldnkiwi (1,310 comments) says:

    Labour needs to get back to work, they seem easily distracted.

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  82. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: Since you confidently predict Collins will be “toast” when the identity of the Chinese official is revealed, you presumably know who that Honourable Gentleman is

    It seems pretty obvious that it’s someone from border control.

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  83. Scott Chris (6,149 comments) says:

    She told the House that she ‘popped in’ to Oravida on the way to the airport. The OIA release showed that it was a pre-planned part of her itinerary. Ergo, she lied.

    I disagree. A ‘pop-in’ can be pre-planned.

    As it happens I plan to pop-in and see Mum a bit later on the way to the airport.

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  84. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Tom: But you are confidently predicting Collins will be “toast” when this man’s identity is revealed…I now assume from your 4.45 that you havent got a clue who the man might be…

    Surely your mates in the Labour Party can find out? They found out I supposedly had a conviction for common assault in Tonga…and that’s a third world country with no proper recording system for the doings of the Magistrates Courts (which are held in village halls)…China by contrast is the third biggest economy in the world, and can put rockets into space…But forget rockets…there must be waitresses, barmen and assorted flunkies at this dinner…or do you think the Chinese have had them all shot to protect JC?

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  85. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @Judith

    I agree, this will overshadow the election if not checked and people will be voting on this matter, and not what is best for New Zealand. That is not good for any of us.

    I would agree with you except that such matters are never really discussed during election campaigns, because they would bore and turn off the people the parties need to turn up to the polls. The politically engaged will turn up anyway (unless they’re like me and no longer vote), so the campaign has to more or less pitch to the dimwits.

    I wanted to see National get out there today and show us why they are BETTER than anything else on offer – that they are the best – not just as good or bad as everyone else. Their defense today was to point out that Labour/Green/NZ 1st – has made similar mistakes – what does that achieve? What sort of excuse is that? They’ve done it, so we can too? It’s childish and immature.

    I don’t think they can do this, because all the parties are bad. I don’t think it’s their fault. National is in a peculiar position, since it has never been the party of change in NZ politics. Even the neoliberal political environment we currently live in was introduced by a Labour government (and the welfare state was introduced by a previous Labour government – National has historically been a party of management rather than ideas).

    So we have the weird situation where the accepted paradigm of political economy has collapsed, but the current way elections are won (by market research and pandering to short term voter interests) make effective change impossible. Meanwhile, the country racks up debt as the consequence of tax and spend policies it cannot afford in the long term with the current economic model.

    The performance today in the house was sad – sad for all New Zealanders in that it revealed we don’t have any choice that is worth making. Bloody disgusting for a country that continues to punch above its weight on the world stage, but domestically is a mess.

    Everywhere is like this. The Emperor has no clothes, but the current incentives in democracies give politicians no reasons to do anything different, and our countries slip further into oligarchy.

    Perhaps some stoic tranquility is in order.

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  86. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom: But you are confidently predicting Collins will be “toast” when this man’s identity is revealed…I now assume from your 4.45 that you havent got a clue who the man might be…

    If his identity wasn’t a massive political inconvenience for Collins and the National Party, we would have known who it was long ago. The fact that we don’t know points to it being a massive political inconvenience for Collins and National. Collins isn’t the sort of person to refrain from throwing someone under the bus to rescue her own career.

    I suspect Grant Robertson already knows who it is.

    For a while I suspected Collins of doing a GWB and stringing the opposition along until they were having a fit and then just revealing who it was and their inconsequential status. Things seem to have progressed too far for that.

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  87. Scott Chris (6,149 comments) says:

    Thing is, if political parties were publicly funded we wouldn’t have these so called conflicts of interest.

    Okay, so it’s more taxpayer money going in the trough (albeit a relatively small amount), but it gets rid of the systemic problem of undesirable private sector influence on our policy makers.

    I’d suggest an allocation of x dollars per (regulated) registered party member.

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  88. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris (5,717 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    I agree. Level the playing field, and if nothing else it will reveal the party best at managing a set budget!

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  89. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Would you then forbid private donations? Might that encourage more illicit ways of financing partes?

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  90. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Thing is, if political parties were publicly funded we wouldn’t have these so called conflicts of interest.

    It’s too late for that. The wealthy interests whom the current setup serves would smother any party that attempted to establish it. Look at what happened over Clark’s relatively mild attempts tp get money out of political advertising.

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  91. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Judith,Judith,Judith.
    Seriously your talking standards,how do you come to make anything work on a daily basis?
    Labour are SHITE,thats a reasonable acessment of their ability.
    Yet you are voting for them,why?
    So you are voting labour and expect any reasonable person to takr anything you say with any amount of seriousness.
    I mean you also believe in fairy tales as well dont you?

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  92. freemark (581 comments) says:

    Breaking News.. Govt MP tries to assist NZ taxpaying & employing Exporters increase revenue to State coffers.
    Buried in the back pages.. Socialists spend at least $50k of taxpayers money buying signatures to destroy $250M of state Wealth.
    Go figure…

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  93. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    ….”The wealthy interests whom the current setup serves would smother any party that attempted to establish it.”…..

    Couldn’t agree more. The workers who have their wages pillaged so their union masters can pay for the electoral campaigns of the time serving, career no hopers who front up the Labour Party must be gutted.

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  94. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You are for public funding of political parties then nasska?

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  95. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    No….I’d like to think there were a couple of things left that the bloody taxpayer didn’t get milked for & paying to hear Cunliffe & Norman lie would top the list.

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  96. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think funding should remain voluntary too, albeit with full public disclosure of all donations.

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  97. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    It’s always handy to know who’s bought who Mike so yes, disclosure should be mandatory.

    Including funding of leadership campaigns within a party.

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  98. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, any donations to politicians and political parties should be disclosed. I’d make the tax returns of MPs public too.

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  99. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (699 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Where have I ever said I am voting for Labour?

    Historically I am mostly a National voter. I voted for JK first term but not last time, because on a matter I had dealings with him over, I believe he lied, or rather mislead us – I don’t like his politics and don’t think it is in the best interest of NZ to have him as PM for a third term. I have great respect for Gerry though and if he was PM, he would get my vote. I would vote ACT if Rodney had returned, but he didn’t. I don’t like Colin Craig, he reminds me of a wet dishcloth.

    I am now what you would call a swinging voter. If it wasn’t for it being instilled in me from a young age that it is ones civil duty to vote, I would not bother to – however, as I believe that is irresponsible, I am faced with finding someone (the best of the worst) or placing an eenie meenie minee vote. For the first time in my life I will be voting against someone, rather than for them. Not something I’m proud of, but then I think it is a reflection of the sad state of politics in this country at the moment.

    Just because someone doesn’t like National, doesn’t mean they are automatically a Labour supporter. My Politics have altered with age and changing circumstances, my concerns are now for my grandchildren and the kind of world they will inherit.

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  100. RF (1,402 comments) says:

    Must admit I am amused watching the current line up from Labour trying to be serious. Cunliffe with his smirk, chubby bum from Wellington asking shallow questions no doubt prompted by his mate alf, mallard trying to be tough but failing as he gets booted. Now we have Micky mouse from the standard spewing out many posts. Obviously sucking up to the silent T after his many stuff ups. You have to worry when you see a different post everyday from Micky mouse. What is he trying to deflect attention from. Oh. Remind me… Has labour released any new policy lately. If so it’s disappeared.

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  101. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Has National released any new policy lately?

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  102. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    a bit of levity to this boring discussion.

    Cleaning mens Balls.

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  103. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    You will just luv this this. Its all about Adam, Eve and Labour.

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  104. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Four hours later…still waiting for the link to Hansard which shows Collins saying variations of “I dont recall” and “I believe X to be true” in answer to questions today…That’ll be because at no point did she say either of those things….

    freemark: Well said Sir/Madam…

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  105. thedavincimode (6,780 comments) says:

    Has National released any new policy lately?

    milky, you suffer from pinkeye; the delusion that changing stuff all the time equates to good gummint. This afflicts your deadbeat mates who are determined to release “policy” irrespective of how stupid it might be, just so they can be seen to be important in the eyes of those of you who suffer your affliction.

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  106. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    and if you just want a laugh.

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  107. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (5,248 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    David I don’t think they are available yet. One of my students is searching for something said today in question time, and says they can only find the transcripts from the debates.

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  108. thedavincimode (6,780 comments) says:

    Labour are SHITE,thats a reasonable acessment of their ability.
    Yet you are voting for them,why?

    lilman

    Nursey has a huge hate on Key; supposedly, she has said, because he broke an assurance he once gave her. I don’t think it would an enormous leap to speculate that it had something to do with DB, having regard to the monumental hate chip she carries on her shoulder.

    I suspect that Key told her that cabinet would follow any recommendation in relation to awarding compo to DB. Of course, Key had no way of knowing that Binnie was a fuckwit of the first order and was so incompetent and out of his depth that he couldn’t even follow his instructions.

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  109. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    Now you know. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/12f5f667ewroc8s/Sex%20Ed2.jpg

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  110. thedavincimode (6,780 comments) says:

    No offence milky. I know that wasn’t you. :)

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  111. OneTrack (3,112 comments) says:

    mikenmild – “Has National released any new policy lately?”

    Has Labour?

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  112. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Well Jude Baby….if you or your students can find JC using eiother of those two responses, a chocolate fish for you…

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  113. freemark (581 comments) says:

    This is for all the Muslim Terrorist lovers, and the haters of America & drones. Your implied support for people & groups like this emboldens & encourages them to kidnap, rape, murder & sell children. Yet you will quite happily call people who believe in the good parents’ ability to correct their children with a smack abusers. Fucking scum.

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  114. freemark (581 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/10012119/Threats-to-sell-300-kidnapped-girls

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  115. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Turkish Airlines allegedly shipped weapons to unknown groups in Nigeria, which has been ravaged by violence between the army and Boko Haram militants, a new incriminating phone call revealed on Tuesday.
    https://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/29/bfp-exclusive-turkish-power-struggle-impedes-natos-campaign-in-syria/

    The attack on the Benghazi consulate and CIA annex followed a meeting between Ambassador Stevens and Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin. Seymour Hersh has described what the CIA called the rat line, the supply chain for the Syrian militants overseen by the US in covert cooperation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

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  116. RF (1,402 comments) says:

    Watched Labour savaging Judith Collins today. FFS what a bunch of soft cocks. Even the drunken dwarf failed to fire.

    JK must be having a few whiskeys tonight in preparation for victory later this year.

    Note to self… Must renew membership to the National Party.

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  117. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    Scientists have discovered a jawbone that they think is over 2 million years old.

    They believe it belonged to a woman as it was still moving.

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  118. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (5,250 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    David Dear – I am far too lazy and far too ‘disinterested’ to be bothered looking for anything any of them said today in a transcript. I listened and decided the whole lot of them (all sides) sounded more like a bunch of bad mannered misfits than a nations leaders.

    If they are the best we have to offer, then ‘baby’ are we ever in trouble!

    I can’t help but fear we are about to have a ‘melting pot’ mishmash government – my money is that we will return to the polls within 18 months. I hope I’m wrong – I have been on the odd occasion. Don’t you just love MMP!

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  119. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,693 comments) says:
    May 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Yeah probably telling some man to put the friggin toilet seat down!!

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  120. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Absolutely confused about what news channel to watch going forward.

    Just watching 3 News and what a fucken hatchet job on National. First 20 mins attacking National on about 4 different topics including asking Ruth Dyson for feedback on the jobs in ChCh scheme and another insinuating most National MP take bribes for favours.

    Guess this is the lefts election strategy. Don’t need policies when you can use the MSM on prime time news to assaninate the Govt

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  121. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    Funny you should mention it Judith….I’ve heard that expression a few times over the years but now I leave it up & she leaves it down. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2f50qhs940uz117/Toilet%20Seat%20ex%20MG.jpg

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  122. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    How fucken bad is the media in the country?

    Just reading an article in Herald about what is the best country in world to be a mum.

    Article starts off saying NZ just scraped into top 20 and then at the end says we are 16 and that is 15 ahead of the USA.

    How fuck is 16th place just scrapping in

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  123. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Problem,big problem Judith.

    You say Key lied and mislead you so you can’t vote for him.
    But yet you are willing to vote for the left block,which in itself is a vote for labour.
    Cunliffe is a proven liar,without doubt on many occasions he has misled you and me and every single person in the country,FACT.
    Yet you are voting left,why?
    Under your reasoning you can only vote for someone who doesn’t lie or mislead,good luck with that.

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  124. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Fuckin’ is not spelt fucken. Eh is not spelt aye. Led is not spelt lead. And don’t get me started on apostrophe’s.

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  125. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s actually apostrophes’.

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  126. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    fernglas.

    I thought you weren’t meant to start a sentence with a conjunction.

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  127. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I do not own a television. I attempted to watch some TV tonight in my hotel room while away working. A multitude of channels avaliable. My conclusion is that society is doomed and the end times are upon us ! I suffered brain injury from glancing at the vapid contrived drivel. And I ain’t that bright to start with !

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  128. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Freemark @ 7:23 is clearly a big TV watcher and forms his entire world view from it. Hard to fathom such a distorted mind.

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  129. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Thanks Mikenmild. Irony is not lost on you. Kowtow, I thought you weren’t meant to start a sentence with a proposition, so I suppose a shag’s out of the question?

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  130. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    In my day job, I’m a grammar and spelling nazi.

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  131. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    fernglas

    Who said grammar was boring?Eh?

    The one that gets me is bought instead of brought. People pronounce it wrong but now they even spell it wrong.

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  132. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    Good evening Kiwibloggers :)

    Seen this?

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Documents-back-Collins-version-of-events—Key/tabid/1607/articleID/342920/Default.aspx

    “Prime Minister John Key admits the sequence of events around Judith Collins’ dealings with Oravida in China does make it look as though the Justice Minister has done something wrong.

    But he maintains she hasn’t, and says documents released under the Official Information Act over the last few days prove she’s telling the truth.

    “People have been making allegations for a long time and actually none of them have had much basis to it,” Mr Key said on Firstline this morning.

    “Yes, we accept – and Judith accepts… the combination of events could lead to the perception of a conflict of interest.
    But outside of that, actually nothing has changed and nothing is inconsistent.”

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Documents-back-Collins-version-of-events—Key/tabid/1607/articleID/342920/Default.aspx#ixzz30vHbZ9nd
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    What utter CRAP!

    Read this ‘Meeting Brief Oravida’ for yourself – it clearly shows that the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities’, was pre-planned, and it’s stated ‘Purpose/Objective being:

    “To increase the profile of a successful importer and distributor of New Zealand products into China.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0/images/MFAT_paper.pdf

    Small technical point – Minister of Justice Judith Collins’ husband is a Director of Oravida, and is owned by Mr Deyi (Stone) Shi, her close personal friend, as is fellow Director Julia Xu.

    Another small technical point – please note that the following photo, taken of both the Minister of Justice Judith Collins, and the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, attending the ‘visit and tour of Oravida Facilities’ on 23 October 2013, is STILL up on the Oravida Ltd website:

    http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/

    “10/23/2013 NZ’s Minister of Justice and NZ’s China Ambassador visit Oravida Shanghai”
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/files/manual.pdf

    2.87 No Minister should endorse in any media any product or service.

    ………………………

    2.89 When accepting an invitation, a Minister should inform the organisation that it may not:

    (a) use any photos taken of the Minister at the event; or
    (b) publicise the event,
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    errr……. so – how is the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities – not a CLEAR breach of the Cabinet Manual?

    WHY IS JUDITH COLLINS NOT BEING STOOD DOWN AS A MINISTER??

    In my considered opinion as an anti-corruption campaigner – this is a CORRUPT ‘conflict of interest’. which NZ Prime Minister John Key is trying to minimise and cover-up.

    I guess the Prime Minister can’t hold his Ministers accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’ – if he doesn’t ‘lead from the front’ and practice these himself?

    CORRUPT Judith Collins protected by ‘shonky’ John Key?

    http://cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/files/manual.pdf

    Conduct of Ministers

    2.52 A Minister of the Crown, while holding a ministerial warrant, acts in a number of different capacities:

    (a) in a ministerial capacity, making decisions, and determining and promoting policy within particular portfolios;

    (b) in a political capacity as a member of Parliament, representing a constituency or particular community of interest;

    (c) in a personal capacity.

    2.53 In all these roles and at all times, Ministers are expected to act lawfully and to behave in a way that upholds, and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards.

    Ultimately, Ministers are accountable to the Prime Minister for their behaviour.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’.

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  133. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s GD fucked for the evening…

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  134. Nookin (3,353 comments) says:

    Penny has lost her Anasol. Crotchety tonight. Splat!!! Right in the middle of repartee.

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  135. Ryan Sproull (7,196 comments) says:

    fernglas

    Who said grammar was boring?Eh?

    The one that gets me is bought instead of brought. People pronounce it wrong but now they even spell it wrong.

    Kowtow,

    Mine is people saying they “wrote a blog”. They wrote a blog post. They posted to a blog or on a blog. I’ll accept “they blogged”. But they didn’t fucking “write a blog”.

    Oh, and the other one is when people use “text” as the past tense of “to text”. I accept that “text” is now a verb. BUT IF IT IS A FUCKING VERB, ITS PAST TENSE IS “TEXTED”.

    “I text you yesterday.” NO, YOU TEXTED ME YESTERDAY. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU’RE SAYING YOU TEXED ME AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO TEX.

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  136. Ryan Sproull (7,196 comments) says:

    Oh, and Americans using “would have” to mean “had”.

    “If only I would have locked my car last night!” NO. NO, AMERICA. STOP IT.

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  137. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Ryan is everything okay at home mate ? ;)

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  138. Ryan Sproull (7,196 comments) says:

    Heh heh heh.

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  139. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    Which FACTS don’t you like Nookin?

    Or do you like Judith Collins CORRUPT ‘conflicts of interest’ being protected by NZ Prime Minister ‘shonky’ John Key?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  140. minus (201 comments) says:

    NZ’s minister Tim Grosser tastes Oravida fresh milk in Shanghai

    
During Prime Minister John Key’s visit to China, The Honorable Tim Grosser, Minister of Trade, The Right Honorable Sir Donald McKinnon,Chairman of New Zealand China Council visited Sogo Supermarket in Shanghai, where many of the NZ premium products are sold. Among many of the NZ products, Oraivda’s fresh milk and Sanford’s scampi are the newest additions to the product lists, and can certainly be categorized as the most innovative.
    04/09/2013
    http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/
    [photo]

    Penny, from that link you gave
    HERE’S ANOTHER ONE !
    another of these transparently corrupt bastards drinking New Zealand milk.

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  141. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Labour are SHITE,thats a reasonable acessment of their ability.

    They are not.

    Like most parties, they have their share of no hopers, but the National Party cannot talk, having alienated a series of respected, centre right politicians who would have brought in votes from across the divide and replaced them with simian derpers like Collins, Bennett, Parata and Tolley, none of whom should be let near a school committee let alone cabinet.

    National has some competent people in Joyce, English, Groser, Finlayson and Smith, but this is balanced by horrors such as the two stuffed shirts who represent the Hamilton Electorates.

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  142. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ minus

    Are any of them married to Oravida Directors, or their family members financially involved with Oravida?
    One would expect the Minister of Trade to do such things, it is within his job description, the same for the Chairman of NZ China Council.

    But please explain where the role of a Justice Minister, or even the Minister of ACC fits within that same remit, especially when, like it or not, she stands to benefit personally via her husband?

    There is a vast difference between the examples you give and Collins.

    We expect our Ministers to do what is right for the country, and IF as Collins has claimed it was a spur of the moment thing, to fill in time and promote NZ, then it is acceptable for her to step outside the boundaries of her ministerial remit –

    BUT, we also expect integrity from our Ministers, and the fact that she is married to a director, and therefore personally involved, makes her actions wrong and foolhardy. I do not think she is an idiot, she is a very intelligent calculated woman, and therefore she did not just ‘forget’ that part of her responsibilities. She did a very big ‘favour’ to her husband, on our time when the circumstances should have stopped her.

    All that is required was a ‘I’m sorry, I didn’t think it through and realise how it would be interpreted by the public’ and all this would have gone away – no OIA’s, no long drawn out comedy routines in the house by the opposition. An instant apologies would have taken the wind out of any argument. New Zealander’s are forgiving people – this would brushed over quickly with minimal damage to the party and the PM, and anyone continually dragging it up would have been met with ‘look, she apologised – move on’ – but instead Collins subsequent actions and demeanor have made it what it has become. She has no one to blame but herself, because if the situation was reversed, she would be gunning for the opposition like they are, her.

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  143. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    No, Labour are definitely shite. A truly corrupt and evil party.

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  144. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’.”

    Should read: “Penny Bright-corrupt lefty thief who cries like a baby when the cops through her in a van.”

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  145. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    There’s no way Judith or anyone can spin this out, it doesn’t matter how one phrases it or employs whatever beatup one can come up with. The relationship she has with the people involved and her physical where abouts at the times stated are historical facts that can’t be distorted.

    What was she thinking? She could bring the party down, her husband played the hand and now even he would have been affected. It’s a game but the public are not total blinded idiots. I smell arrogance and where’s our so called tree’s?

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