O’Sullivan on Key

May 17th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Fran O’Sullivan writes:

When the Prime Minister is on top of his game – as he was at yesterday’s post Budget luncheon – he is world-class.

spoke without notes. He was completely fluent. No “ums” or “ahs” or stumbling Mr Average here. He was very much in the mode of a former top-flight international businessman. The guy who served on the board of the New York branch of the Federal Reserve. The persona that I prefer to the one that he has created to make him accessible to all New Zealanders.

He held the audience in his hand. Even the joke about his daughter Steffie being in the news again for “taking off another item of clothing” was delivered with sufficient panache to have the audience laughing with him rather than wincing.

Key has already launched the phony election campaign.

He did that in Parliament on Thursday afternoon when he slaughtered Labour leader David Cunliffe in a rambunctious speech designed to rally his troops, during which he compared the National-led Government’s record with Labour’s on well-chosen metrics ranging from house price inflation, interest rates, the number of Kiwis turning their backs on New Zealand to pursue their fortune in Australia – and more.

Slaughter is probably the right word for it.

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90 Responses to “O’Sullivan on Key”

  1. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. Paulus (2,564 comments) says:

    Red

    Appreciate you are an extremist but it would appear that New Zealanders are very happy with the way the country is going.

    Balanced middle of the road is what people want – called stable Government.

    It rains, the sunshine abounds, grass grows, and the children grow tall.

    It is for the Unions supporters like yourself to try and destroy the goodness we have. At your peril.

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  3. Hugh Pavletich (114 comments) says:

    A sound assessment by Fran O’Sullivan.

    I’m surprised the number of people, without prompting, speaking in positive terms of the Governments general direction and handling of the Budget.

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  4. tvb (4,255 comments) says:

    The Labour Party approach to the management of Government finances is to spend and spend until the money runs out usually with a recession and high interest rates and a massive deficit. Then a National Government has to repair the damage with the Labour Party opposing every measure to bring things back into balance. The current good news on the Government finances was no thanks to the Labour Party. They created the problem and subsequently opposed EVERY cut in spending needed to restore things. You cannot somehow say the current budget surplus is a fluke or would have happened anyway but oppose every measure that was done to get things stabilised. This message needs to be repeated over and over again. John Key hammered it in his budget reply speech and the Labour Party was left spluttering in its response.

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  5. Neil (572 comments) says:

    Watched Key follow Cunliffe in parliament on Thursday. That was brilliant. The opposition sat there transfixed like opossums staring into oncoming headlights.
    Powerful stuff which must have filled National MP’s with optimism.

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  6. peterwn (3,213 comments) says:

    Sorry, Redbaiter, but strict adherence to a party’s ‘Founding Principles’ does not exactly help win elections. The only people who demand that national stick to its ‘Founding Principles’ are left wingers and Redbaiter.

    Therefore Redbaiter must be a left winger.
    QED

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  7. Hugh Pavletich (114 comments) says:

    PM Key was impressive on TV3. Particularly heartening with his comments on land supply with respect to housing …

    http://www.3news.co.nz/John-Key-answers-Budget-questions/tabid/817/articleID/344389/Default.aspx

    …if probs with video above come in via …

    http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive.aspx

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  8. Mrs Trellis (34 comments) says:

    Farage is a swivel-eyed loon :)

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  9. deadrightkev (340 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    I agree regarding John Key. No doubt he would be a great guy at a BBQ and he is charming and all that but a leader he is not in my opinion. Sure, he would come up with a sound reason why he has no balls or cannot do this and that but he can show muscle when he chooses MMP or no MMP. Remember the ETS, anti smacking, UNDRIPS, Super City and Maori Statutory Board, WFF, IFSL, SCF bailout, 15% GST, etc.

    With his “popularity” he could have cashed some political capital and sold Kiwis on a long-term strategic vision toward prosperity implementing a globally competitive tax structure and dumped masses of red tape. He had the means and time to do it but he didn’t because he is an internationalist socialist working to a global agenda. He has no competition so he looks good.

    Just my opinion.

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  10. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    “Powerful stuff which must have filled National MP’s with optimism.”

    It wasn’t actually. Just listen to what was said. The content. He’s no Nigel Farage, who actually makes telling points when he speaks. Points that mean something. Keys speech was just a litany of scorn and derision directed at Labour, who may indeed deserve such scorn, but really, that is all it was.

    John Key has reduced NZ’s political situation to where all that is argued is who is best to lead the one party socialist state, and he treats the National Party’s founding principles with the same scorn he treats those in Labour who would contest his leadership of this one party state.

    John Key’s message to NZers is that he and his Nat cronies are the best to lead the one party socialist state. He and his cronies have completely betrayed the brave people who originally founded the National Party with these excellent principles-

    “To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red still thinks Kiwis want someone to the right of Vlad the Impaler running the country. Fortunately Key does not listen to bitter old authoritarians and their ultra-rightwing fantasies. And nor does Nigel Farage (another very articulate man), which is why his message is increasingly popular in the UK. Even the statistically invisible Conservative party is far to the left of Reds fascist utopia.

    I am just the vanguard of a political movement that is going to wipe Progressives off the face of the earth. They’ll disappear like the Dodo birds did.

    I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.

    Redbaiter KB 2013

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  12. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    “Sorry, Redbaiter, but strict adherence to a party’s ‘Founding Principles’ does not exactly help win elections.”

    You did not read the article I referenced on Farage at all did you you pathetic spineless surrender monkey?

    People like you, completely out strategized by the left, are dragging the whole West into the Progressive gutter.

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  13. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    Well of course he is liked. Most conmen are luvley people.

    ahhh he says, as he ducks the shit flying towards him..

    Well we still have some bills to pay, like about 60 billion and we ain’t gunna do that on a 371 million surplus.
    So how popular is either Bill or John going to be when we have to do that.

    But of course they will be long gone. And it won’t be my generation that pays it will be you young smart arses. So remember to suck it up nicely and smile when you have your privileges removed and your taxation increased, your pensions cut or eliminated and you are not allowed to skip to Aussie.

    Lots to look forward to.

    And some of you complain about labours spending. (which you have continued.)

    Just another Labour National cycle of good and depression.

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  14. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Redbaiter,

    Yes they are great principles, but the National Party never believed in all of those principles, not even in 1936, and certainly not by 1949.

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  15. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Key’s greatest achievement is keeping Labour/Greens out of power in an MMP environment.

    He may be mediocre in many other areas, but for that he deserves the greatest respect.

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  16. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “actually makes telling points when he speaks. Points that mean something.”

    Yes a very powerful speaker. I love listening to him and agree with most of what Farage says. Fortunately he has been smart enough to distance himself from racists, authoritarian, homo hating, heartless money grubbing pricks like Redbaiter. :)

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  17. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    Kea (11,730 comments) says:
    May 17th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Red still thinks Kiwis want someone to the right of Vlad the Impaler running the country.
    ====================

    Kea, you are as bigger propagandist as any spin merchant.

    Red has never advocated that.
    He has always suggested that the National Parties Founding Statement is where we should be.

    But then you know that don’t you.
    You are just too gutless to support that stance so that leaves you fair and square in the socialist camp. Like so many other lazy people.

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  18. Ross Miller (1,681 comments) says:

    If Redbaiter and deadrightkev were the answer then it surely was a stupid question. Policies that have rabid rightists creaming their genes/jeans are hardly a recipe for success. Qu’ils mangent de la brioche is not going to cut the mustard out there in voterland. The electorate expects/demands more than empty rhetoric from those who prefer to view the world through 19th century spectacles. There is a balance to be achieved in getting things done in this country and John Key has it about right.

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  19. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    No less a statesman than U.S. president Abraham Lincoln defined democracy as:

    «Government of the people, by the people, for the people»

    Note he didn’t say a dicky bird about lying to the electorate in order to gain power then doing something totally different. Also he made no mention of “using political capital” to put things right which is another way of phrasing “lying to the electorate”.

    Say what you will about JK…..at least he knows his place as the leader of a democratic nation.

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  20. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Ross Miller is another politically confused idiot who describes the National Party’s founding principles as rabidly right wing.

    John Key is taxing and spending the same or more than Helen Clark did, and you disliked her for that.

    None of the projections the National Party have prepared for our economic future take us back to the same levels as the Clark govt.

    You are cheering on a continuation of the Clark govt.

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  21. mandk (878 comments) says:

    I love these people who bang on about the $60bn debt. It’s like the GFC and the destruction of ChCh never happened. And I wonder what their counterfactual is.
    Still, I agree paying it off is important.

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  22. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Viking2 , you are making the same mistake the left make. You are putting ideology ahead of outcomes.

    I am sure Key is further to the right than he makes known. He is smart enough to know that NZ is a very left leaning country and in fact has actually said that. If he goes too far right, all at once, he will be out on his ear. Then you will face the specter of Labour/Greens running NZ.

    Your idealistic view should not be mistaken for political reality. Don’t take my word for it. Look at what Kiwis actually vote for. The Reds of this world are politically invisible on the NZ political scene.

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  23. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Despite all evidence to the contrary the comrades at The sub-Standard continue to praise Silent T’s speech and announce his prime ministership will be fabulous.

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  24. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    ” He may be mediocre in many other areas, but for that he deserves the greatest respect.”

    Here is what you will be hearing in the future from the socialists and progressives who have infiltrated National.

    “We’re sorry we’re in such a financial mess, the global economy wasn’t as robust as what we thought and therefore our calculations were out by a few billion.”

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  25. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    “Despite all evidence to the contrary the comrades at The sub-Standard continue to praise Silent T’s speech and announce his prime ministership will be fabulous.”

    Right on Manolo. Cunliffe’s ascendancy to the leadership was the work of the extreme left in Labour, who finally succeeded in their ambition of taking over from the far left Helen Klark faction.

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  26. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Reds problem is democracy. People are not voting for what he wants in order to validate the choices he has made in his own life. He does not feel he receives the appreciation he deserves in our left leaning society. He provides a solution [to the democracy problem] which is far more revealing than his rhetoric.

    “I am just the vanguard of a political movement that is going to wipe Progressives off the face of the earth. They’ll disappear like the Dodo birds did.

    I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.”

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  27. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Kea you should write your torrent of boring narcissistic trash on Whaleoil.

    Then you would as you have done here, retard Whale’s growth and Kiwiblog could regain its position as the most visited political blog.

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  28. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    mandk (748 comments) says:
    May 17th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    I love these people who bang on about the $60bn debt. It’s like the GFC and the destruction of ChCh never happened. And I wonder what their counterfactual is.
    Still, I agree paying it off is important.
    =========================
    Well in terms of CHCH.

    Had those that owned assets in CHCH had them adequately insured then no borrowing would have been necessary. That includes individuals, Councils and Govt.
    Sure there would still have been some cost but that cost could and should be covered by the sales of some of those viable assets. I see no reason for the taxpayer to continue to front for CHCH ratepayers and those negligent enough to not ensure their properties etc sufficiently.
    And there is the nub of another issue. Because insurance was so cheap and the CHCH City Council ignored sound engineering advice and CHCH (like many other towns), was full of either defective buildings or buildings that were too old so the economy was propped up by low cost rents. The insurance companies are as much to blame for accepting high risk buildings at low rates.
    Now of course the rest of NZ is lumped with paying for CHCH and the insurance company mistakes. Had the insurance companies been required just to allocate the premiums collected in CHCH and not elsewhere, CHCH would be totally stuffed.
    NZ is diverse in its insurance needs and the risk in CHCH for earthquakes was no 2 on the scale after Wgtn. Why should someone in the Waikato, (and area of low earthquake risk), pay for some high risk property in CHCH.

    Why should an Auckland taxpayer who already has huge infrastructure costs as a rate payer bail out a CHCH ratepayer when assets can be sold to cover the expenses. (Same applies to Auckland of course.)

    The 60 billion of debt is 10 billion a year for the last 6 years. Now there are many places that at least some of that could have been found. Wastage is everywhere. Just look at the wastage in education resources with dumb courses etc.

    Look at the extreme efforts to avoid tax that our neighbors big companies have indulged in via our own lawyers and accountants. Latest being IAG.

    We prop up film companies, all sorts of commissions and we have donated how much to one section of our population. All when times were tough. Why didn’t we delay or modify lots of this stuff.

    There is nothing new here. We have spent six years since Bill and John took over pointing this out even when they had a mandate to make some changes right at the beginning.

    They may make it back this time but next time will be different. Then the changes will be forced upon as as before.

    You can chose between making changes faster or a slow death back to Labour.

    Vote National if you want the later but Party Vote Act of you want to stop the rot.

    P.S. I am not an Act member, just in case you are in any doubt.

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  29. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red, you should run along back to Twitter – to Twit – to Tweens- or what ever the hell it is you do there ! Justin Bieber and his fans are probably missing your political wisdom.

    You better get in fast they will be of voting age about now :twisted:

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  30. stigie (1,003 comments) says:

    “Cowardly, prog, homo, knuckle dragging, marxist, leftist scum”. Yep that sums us up !~

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  31. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    Yep

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  32. Pete George (23,330 comments) says:

    Key and English are managing with what they inherited and have to deal with. They can’t start with some idealistic theoretical utopia.

    The alternative was evident on The Nation this morning. David Cunliffe promoted little more than wishy washy waffle but Labour’s claimed position is they would maintain the surpluses National have managed to bring us back to, and they would spend more than National in a number of policy areas, but when questioned about how to pay for it they won’t divulge their aims with tax.

    If they want to spend more without overspending they have to raise more tax somehow.

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  33. Pete George (23,330 comments) says:

    However there are question marks about National’s plans with tax. Either Key and English are playing a game with tax policy, distracting, testing the water or whatever their aim is, or there’s a disconnect between them on income tax and GST.

    They’re not talking from the same tax policy script.

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  34. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Redbaiter.

    You may see the political landscape in strict black and white tones, but a right of center party espousing the policies you want in this country would never get the opportunity to put them to the test. The voters simply would not allow it. It is, and shall remain, a pipedream with the same hope of seeing the light of day as the environmental utopia put forward by the greens.

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  35. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Slightlyrighty you are another surrender monkey who did not take the trouble to read the link to what Nigel Farage has accomplished.

    You just repeat the boilerplate far left drivel of so many above, that supporting the National Party’s founding principles is “extreme” and that no one, even if they had the guts to try, could ever defeat the political assassination efforts of the all powerful Progressive establishment and its media lapdogs.

    Wrong on both issues. Unless the founding National Party was extreme right wing and unless the mainstream media hate target the UKIP is not threatening to overtake the Conservatives and Labour as one of the UK’s most voted for parties, then what you say is just worthless baseless assertion.

    http://truebluenz.com/2014/05/04/nigel-farage-does-the-alleged-impossible/

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  36. duggledog (1,439 comments) says:

    At the end of the day kids, that 60 bn will be paid by:

    Higher taxes, CGT, death duties, you name it
    Cut services
    More state assets sold
    Devaluing the dollar
    More pollution from higher intensity farming & aquaculture
    Many more immigrants (and resulting infrastructure overload), meaning higher regional taxes & petrol taxes etc
    More shit quality Vietnamese fish in the super market as our premium stuff disappears to China

    Etc.

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  37. David in Chch (512 comments) says:

    Red: 20 % does not mean a majority. The UKIP may have grown, but they also likely have reached their peak. Many of those who voted for them are disaffected people, more of a protest vote. To claim that they now represent a mainstream view is like the Greens claiming that they represent the mainstream.

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  38. ross411 (295 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,524 comments) says:
    May 17th, 2014 at 11:44 am
    “Powerful stuff which must have filled National MP’s with optimism.”

    It wasn’t actually. Just listen to what was said. The content. He’s no Nigel Farage, who actually makes telling points when he speaks. Points that mean something. Keys speech was just a litany of scorn and derision directed at Labour, who may indeed deserve such scorn, but really, that is all it was.

    At first, I thought the speech was going to be just the empty scornful sounding lambasting of Cunliffe and Labour, that it seemed to be. But you could hear his tone change when he became serious, and listed point after point of relevant information that proved Labour was incompetent and National had simply done a good job with notable results.

    Yes, there were times when his tone changed again and he went back to the lambasting, but when it came down to it, what he gave was an interesting speech filled with attention grabbing facts and comparisons and mixed with light-hearted humour.

    You and others may choose to see something else there, but after reading the continual imagined negativity from your type, all I can hear is the malcontent moaning of curmudgeons who will never be happy.

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  39. Alan (1,082 comments) says:

    John Key is a magnificently talented political operator, an election winning genius. He’s as good a communicator as Tony Blair or Bill Clinton.

    But like Blair and Clinton it all seems to be without purpose, he doesn’t seem to want to do anything, except whatever is required to keep being in power.

    I guess it reflects that most people in this country are happy enough with how things are going, the flagship policies of the Clark administration are left untouched, it’s just the veneer of better management.

    The truth is the two parties closet in policy terms are Labour and National, it’s been this way since Key took over

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  40. duggledog (1,439 comments) says:

    You get the government you deserve, and I wish people could realise this.

    The first thing the dopey constituents will blame, should we encounter a calamity like that brought on by Muldoon, will be the government – who the people vote for in the first place.

    Western democratic governments are like computers. They are not allowed to be capable of independent thought, rather they simply perform the tasks they are programmed to do

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  41. bc (1,353 comments) says:

    A pretty good opinion piece, although she is seriously deluded in the last paragraph where she thinks Act can get 3% of the vote!

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  42. publicwatchdog (2,290 comments) says:

    Wonder if there will be many electoral debates out in the wilds of Helensville?

    It’s my intention to stand against John Key in Helensville to help keep the BLOWTORCH on corruption.

    Corruption at both central and local government level.

    It just so happens that the Helensville electorate is within the boundary of the Auckland SUPER RIPOFF.

    So, I guess there are likely to be a few folk who voted for me amongst the 11,723 votes I received as the 4th highest polling Auckland Mayoral candidate?

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/HowCouncilWorks/Elections/Documents/mayorfinalresults2013.pdf

    Should be FUN!

    I’m rather looking forward to it :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    PS: I’ve only stood in 2 Mayoral elections (so far ….)

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  43. stigie (1,003 comments) says:

    “It’s my intention to stand against John Key in Helensville to help keep the BLOWTORCH on corruption”

    Oh shit, John Key and National are done for now !!~

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  44. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    ….” there are likely to be a few folk who voted for me amongst the 11,723 votes I received as the 4th highest polling Auckland Mayoral candidate”….

    There might be one or two who haven’t been sectioned yet. :)

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  45. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Stigie you’re a good example of the average Key supporter. A brainless idiot with the inability to come up with anything to say on this blog that sounds much different to a stone being rattled in an empty Coke can.

    Like many who come here, damn fools who swoon vacuously over John Key at the same time as they profess a keen dislike of Helen Clark, and are too eternally stupid to see what that makes them.

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  46. publicwatchdog (2,290 comments) says:

    John Key and National are VERY vulnerable on issues relating to corruption, in my considered opinion.

    In 2013 – as an Auckland Mayoral candidate, I campaigned against CORRUPT corporate control of the Auckland region, and got nearly 12,000 votes.

    Seems an increasing number of voters are ‘getting it’?

    It will be an opportunity for Helensville folks to exercise a PROTEST vote against corruption generally and SUPERCITY corruption specifically.

    Those who like National – can still party vote National.

    Will be a lot easier to campaign in an electorate of 50,000 people than the entire Auckland region with 1.4 million voters …

    Gee – there might even be a few Kiwibloggers who will ‘SEIZE THE MOMENT’?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  47. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Narsekisser is pleased Penny has turned up.

    Someone he can relate to.

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  48. publicwatchdog (2,290 comments) says:

    Haven’t you been ‘sectioned’ yet Nasska?

    Plenty of sleep, exercise, nutritional food and a good friend to talk to when time get tough should help you avoid the ‘sectioned’ bit?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  49. publicwatchdog (2,290 comments) says:

    Ok folks – it’s been fun – but I’ve got other things to do now.

    Have a LOVELY evening :)

    Kind regards,

    Her Warship

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  50. big bruv (13,559 comments) says:

    Penny.

    “John Key and National are VERY vulnerable on issues relating to corruption, in my considered opinion.”

    Given that the entire nation is of the opinion that you are bat shit crazy I don’t imagine either John Key or the Nat’s are going to lose any sleep over what you think.

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  51. big bruv (13,559 comments) says:

    Before any of you get all excited about one of Bedwetters little rants remember that this is the man who has spent the better part of five years telling us that Obama is a Kenyan and that Sarah Palin would make a great POTUS.

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  52. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Does POTUS stand for “Piece Of Tottie U’ed Shag” bb? :)

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  53. stigie (1,003 comments) says:

    Good to see you back here with all your charm and good wit, knew you wouldnt stay away for long ole chap.

    BTW how is the muscle car going or have you traded it back for a Skoda ?

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  54. Nostradamus (3,148 comments) says:

    Penny Not-So:

    In 2013 – as an Auckland Mayoral candidate, I campaigned against CORRUPT corporate control of the Auckland region, and got nearly 12,000 votes.

    Yes, you’ve made this claim a number of times now, but let’s put those “nearly 12,000 votes” in context.

    The election results are here.

    So what did I find when I put those results into Microsoft Excel?

    - You received 11,723 votes out of a total 352,656 votes – or 3.32% of the total vote.
    - Even if BLANK (7,147) and INFORMAL (1,584) votes are excluded from the analysis, you still only got 3.41% of the total vote.

    One could reasonably infer that the 96.68% of voters who didn’t vote for you want you to pay your rates! Now that’s something to think about next time you make this dodgy claim.

    And then we have your Return of Electoral Donations and Expenses form. It appears that you spent $42.78 on “4 cans spray ink”. Were those used to deface other candidates’ signs?

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  55. goldnkiwi (1,174 comments) says:

    So when National win the election since National and Labour are philosophically close according to some commentators, National should just ask Labour to be in Government with them . Then it would be the majority of NZer’s votes counting.

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  56. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “… and that Sarah Palin would make a great POTUS.”

    Well she looks a damn sight better than BO. But I don’t know what her opinions are on drone strikes though.

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  57. johnwellingtonwells (131 comments) says:

    If DG is in the Helensville electorate, will he be Penny’s campaign manager?

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  58. Unity (411 comments) says:

    John Key may have almost everyone’s approval but for me he has done a huge amount of harm with his continuing appeasement of all things Maori. We are going to have enormous racial problems if he doesn’t stop pandering to people based on race, not to mention the enormous expense and for what?!. As far as I can see apartheid is more or less here now and it’s time for us all to be treated equally under the law and move on together as New Zealanders. I will be giving my vote to the Party who will guarantee that this is their bottom line.

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  59. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    “I will be giving my vote to the Party who will guarantee that this is their bottom line.”

    That would be the Ethnic Cussies then Unity.

    They always waggle their bottom line at anyone who can be bothered to watch. :)

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  60. Akld Commercial Lawyer (165 comments) says:

    I only get the Herald on Saturday and then out of habit built on w/end sport. Often the real estate section is better written than the rest of the paper. Of late I wonder if Fran has lost it. Personally, I thought the PM displayed poor impulse control that risked pulling he rug on what English & Co have achieved. And he’s opened the door and let the MSM get away without doing any hard analysis. (But the key selling point, as others have pointed out, is fiscal sanity vs blather from the left).

    By keeping the focus on the core Govt spending and the quality of the spend – they have saved us between $1bn – $2bn a year while in office. There is no better contrast than to look at where a loose rein on those issues has got the Aussies.

    I can’t let the Chch stuff go without mention. Slogans just don’t cut it. Its our 2nd biggest city and an important economic hub – internally and externally. So, two big quakes in Japan should give you the hint that even a very large, wealthy, economy required govt spending to get the affected regions back on their feet.

    Sure, the insurance woes of the un or underinsured add to the pain – but there are fringing issues. We are all underinsured and will be paying for that for the next decade. Hopefully there will be no more big quakes. Who knows.

    And the stuff with the Council and some of the weird things they did/continue to do doesn’t help – but it still doesn’t detract from this being a big, expensive event. My pick is that more houses will end up being red zoned. Probably after the election – but the Flockton mess cost won’t be fixed with bandaids and string – it will take something big and bold and I would back the current govt to get that righter than anyone in opposition.

    There is still plenty for this govt to sort out, and maybe the worst of the recession is behind us, but 10 years hence, after the rebuild, Chch will be a great place to live and will be contributing to its full potential – to the economy. There was no alternative and someone in the Waikato or Auckland should contribute because its in their long term interests to do so. And, frankly, most of us want to lend our friends and neighbours a hand.

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  61. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Amazing how Lawyers can use 22 lines to say something that 6 lines would explain! :)

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  62. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    Akld Commercial Lawyer

    ….”should contribute because its in their long term interests to do so. And, frankly, most of us want to lend our friends and neighbours a hand.”….

    And most of us would go along with you. Trouble is that despite the billions we have given & committed for rebuilding Christchurch all we ever hear is their moaning & bitching about how little it is & incessant demands to fix everything yesterday.

    From my own POV if the ungrateful bastards can’t compromise & work constructively with the government we should walk away & let them get on with it….with their own money.

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  63. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    John Key may have almost everyone’s approval but for me he has done a huge amount of harm with his continuing appeasement of all things Maori.

    Unity [LOL] compared with who ? The Klarken beast put Maori so off side they broke away from her own party to form NZ’s first race based party. She made Maori more militant and angry than ever before. Key has done a great job of putting a lid on it and settling things down.

    Now run along back to Stormfront.

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  64. Unity (411 comments) says:

    Sorry Kea but from where I’m sitting there are many many very angry non-Maori out there. They now feel like second-class citizens in their own country. They especially feel we don’t have a democracy except for once every 3 years when we vote. Overwhelming referenda on several topics have meant absolutely nothing to politicians, especially Key.

    My ‘name’ is because there is nothing I want more in this country than racial unity. Laugh if you must. I’m very serious. At least Clark put legislation in place that guaranteed the foreshore and seabed was for all of us, and couldn’t be given away, one of the few things I could possibly congratulate her on because I don’t like most of her policies. What did Key do as soon as he was elected, but free it up so that in many places in New Zealand people already have to pay to go to the beach? It will get worse as more and more of these fraudulent settlements take place.

    Can someone please tell me what ‘full and final’ really means with regard to these settlements which are now based on a re-written Treaty and invented Principles of the Treaty, courtesy of Geoffrey Palmer in the late 1980′s. Ngai Tahu, to name one tribe, have had FIVE full and final settlements with a top-up of a huge amount about to be triggered if any tribes get over $1 million (or some such figure). They were very satisfied with every settlement apart from the first one!!

    So, when I hear people applauding John Key, I cringe. He’s a Trader by trade and has spent his time in power trading away a good chunk of the country. I am a much disillusioned National Party supporter. I’m not sure where I’m going to place my vote in the coming election and am waiting (probably in vain!!?) for a Party to come along whose bottom line is binding referenda and racial equality under the law. Until we get both, this country will go from bad to worse and no amount of fiscal responsibility will fix it. I may not vote if a suitable serious Party doesn’t materialise and that would be a first for me but a measure of how fed up I am with what we have got.

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  65. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,833 comments) says:

    This reminds me of the story of David and Goliath

    In today’s version of the story the silly little runt David forgot to put any stones in his sling and Goliath turned him into mincemeat.

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  66. deadrightkev (340 comments) says:

    I agree with you Unity because you are factually correct.

    Key has acted disgracefully and divided NZ very badly in order to retain power. The separatism is not blatantly apparent on the surface but it is bubbling away underneath and Kiwis know.

    If the average Kiwi understood what has been taken from them in money and property rights on the basis of totally untrue historic misinformation they would be horrified. It would bring this particular government down.

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  67. Jack5 (4,895 comments) says:

    Kea posted at 6.24 about another poster:

    ..Now run along back to Stormfront..

    Hell, Kea, I was wondering where you got all this stuff you spout about ultra-orthodox Jewish Israelis.

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  68. wiseowl (827 comments) says:

    Spot on Unity.
    You are not alone.

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  69. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Jack5, why did you “wonder” when I provided links to Israeli news services ?. Written by Jews, for Jews, in Israel, in Jewish news papers.

    Its not me preaching hate on here every day. Try and find a day I even raise religion first up.

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  70. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    Unity. Here’s a good description of the propaganda.

    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/bruce-moon-treaty-gurus-teach-guilt.html

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  71. MT_Tinman (3,046 comments) says:

    nasska (9,844 comments) says:
    May 17th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
    Akld Commercial Lawyer

    ….”should contribute because its in their long term interests to do so. And, frankly, most of us want to lend our friends and neighbours a hand.”….

    And most of us would go along with you. Trouble is that despite the billions we have given & committed for rebuilding Christchurch all we ever hear is their moaning & bitching about how little it is & incessant demands to fix everything yesterday.

    Wrong.

    All you ever hear is the fucking communists along with their fucking slime mates whingeing and moaning because NZ has a National led govt.

    I can assure you that most genuine Cantabrians are very grateful for the country’s assistance in our time of need.

    Christ, we’ve twice donated our championship to the Waikato cheats as penance – isn’t that e-bloody-nough?

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  72. altiora (221 comments) says:

    @ Unity. I disagree. Key’s tenure has seen a significant calming down in Maori-Pakeha relations. Compared to the Clark years, the absence of Maori grievances in the news is palpable.

    I suspect it is a tangible benefit of the coalition with the Maori Party.

    I don’t really know why you’re concerned about this Maori aspirations for more self-governance. The people who fear it seem to be the old Statists, like Clark, Brash and Peters. As a small government classical Liberal, I think that much of devolution to iwi and Maori organisations is entirely consistent with my values. So long, that is, there is proper accountability.

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  73. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    deadrightkev- The National Party under John Key thinks its founding principles are “extreme right”. This shows how hopelessly infested with left wingers and racists it really is.

    The Nats have done nothing to defend those founding principles and for twenty years they have merely curled themselves into the fetal position as a means to survive.

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  74. Pete George (23,330 comments) says:

    Radbaiter – if that’s the case there must be a huge gap to the right of National, ACT don’t come close to acting the part with Banks and Conservatives are all over the place.

    So there’s a big opportunity for you and your movement. How’s that coming along? There hasn’t been a better time to step up and be what you say you are.

    It would help if you can find a charismatic deputy, like someone who can see Australia from her place.

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  75. freemark (519 comments) says:

    Is Unity Judith? :)

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  76. Unity (411 comments) says:

    Thank you deadrightkev. I really do worry about the direction in which this country is heading, as do many others. Something is going to erupt sooner or later and it won’t be pretty, unless we can hopefully get a strong leader who will unite the country peacefuly but I fear this will be impossible as we have gone too far down the racist divisive road and certain ones now feel they are ‘entitled’ and ‘special’. They are not.

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  77. Unity (411 comments) says:

    Viking2, what Bruce Moon has written is very correct. His knowledge is second to none as I know he has done meticulous research.

    Altiora would do well to read what he has written very carefully. People of Maori descent have absolutely no right to self-government. Imagine if all the different cultures in this country decided they wanted self-government. The only way forward is that we are all New Zealanders first and foremost with no divisive preferential treatment based on race. We are all equal under the law and nothing else will work.

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  78. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Unity, having read through your comments I find considerable common ground. Yes I am greatly troubled by the apartheid in NZ and apartheid is exactly what it is. It is creating a fertile seed bed for serious problems down the track.

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  79. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Fran is in groupie mode, it must be one of those years.

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  80. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    I agree with altiora, that what this government is doing is in keeping with a rightist less big state line. As per its moves in social housing and charter schools etc.

    I don’t support it, but it is what the government is doing and why it is doing it.

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  81. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Redbaiter.

    You talk of Farage’s accomplishments, and they are noteworthy when looked at in isolation, but have been ably assisted by the sort of immigration policies that have created a social timebomb in the UK. When immigrants and their descendants (particularly those of Muslim Extraction) start involving themselves in terrorist acts such at the murder of british soldiers and the blowing up of buses, then hardened attitudes does result in the support growing for a party that such as the UKIP.

    The growth in Nationalism in some political arenas is disquieting, the nascent extremism it can lead to bears watching.

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  82. Bogusnews (461 comments) says:

    I have to say I was initially critical of John Key when he first came to office. But I’ve got to tip my hat at how well he’s done. The thing that impresses me the most is that he seems to be running the country very much like a business in that specific measurables are being used to determine the success of ministers (e.g. how much reductions in wait lists for hospitals, how many people a week have to come off benefits etc).

    For anyone in such a public position it will be impossible to please everyone. There will always be those who want him be more radical or not move too fast. But of course he has to deal with the electorate.

    Having seen the completely irrational response to such things as asset sales and 90 day probation period I can only imagine how quickly the media would have killed him. Then God help us, we’d be back to a Labour Greens nightmare.

    His government has done very well. But possibly his greatest achievement is keeping out the Labour/greens nutbars.

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  83. altiora (221 comments) says:

    Unity: “Altiora would do well to read what he has written very carefully. People of Maori descent have absolutely no right to self-government. Imagine if all the different cultures in this country decided they wanted self-government. The only way forward is that we are all New Zealanders first and foremost with no divisive preferential treatment based on race. We are all equal under the law and nothing else will work.”

    That’s a specious argument. Only Maori have a claim to rights to self-governance; no one else does; and most Maori proponents of self-governance are still blessedly moderate and understand that it’s not simply a case of setting up separate organisations, and that co-operation is required.

    Maori were here before British sovereignty was proclaimed; the British recognised Maori governance in the Treaty; and that is an entirely orthodox reading of international law, then and as now.

    The simple fact is this: Maori claims to self-governance are not going to go away by just ignoring them; as with all tribal based societies, they are very very good at keeping the previous generations’ aspirations alive and burning. And why shouldn’t they continue to keep the fires of self governance burning, just like my Scot’s forefathers did and have.

    So National and the right have a choice: fight what cannot be defeated, or embrace it and shape it according to the the Classical liberal principles that are supposed to underlie National’s philosophy. If National had any sense, it would be headhunting talented young Maori people to lead the charge. National’s contribution should be to support Maori initiatives, but to insist on absolute transparency and accountability.

    Either that or let the leftists like Harawira set the debate; which will it be?

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  84. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Can’t help smiling when JMS says Key’s greatest achievement is keeping the “other lot” out of power.

    Once, many years ago, I bumped into Marilyn Waring.

    The conversation went something this:

    Me: Marilyn, who did you go into politics?

    Marilyn: I guess it was to fight socialism.

    Me: Is that all? No ambitions, no plans, no real principles, nothing you want to achieve except to fight socialists?

    Marilyn: Well, of course I have all of those. But fighting socialism is my main goal.

    A bit sad, really. Nice person, though, and a woman of rare courage.

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  85. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    Labour had 9 budget surpluses in a row while the Tories are having a wet dream over the fact they’ve achieved one. Tom Scott got it right.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/cartoons/6736460/Tom-Scott-and-others

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  86. altiora (221 comments) says:

    Ross01 “Labour had 9 budget surpluses in a row while the Tories are having a wet dream over the fact they’ve achieved one. Tom Scott got it right.”

    Yes but Labour achieved those during the best economic conditions in a lifetime; and blew them on election bribes aka welfare for the middle classes.

    National achieved the surplus after GFC, and is the first government in the western world to do so.

    Pray whose achievement is more impressive?

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  87. lofty (1,304 comments) says:

    Ummm boy that’s a toughie altiora, wait wait let me think…ummmm….shit….ummm.

    I know,,I know, you have pwnd Ross…so easy,and thanks.

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  88. Unity (411 comments) says:

    Altiora, I assume you were joking when you said -

    “Only Maori have a claim to rights to self-governance; no one else does; and most Maori proponents of self-governance are still blessedly moderate and understand that it’s not simply a case of setting up separate organisations, and that co-operation is required.

    Maori were here before British sovereignty was proclaimed; the British recognised Maori governance in the Treaty; and that is an entirely orthodox reading of international law, then and as now.”

    Nowhere in the Treaty is Maori governance mentioned. It states quite explicitly that Maori ceded sovereignty to the Queen forever. How can you be a sovereign of the Queen and also a co-governor which would imply partnership?

    It seems you have bought into the recent rewriting of our Treaty and our history. Our true history and the Treaty made us all equal under the law with the Queen as the head. All of this was reaffirmed at the Kohimarama Conferenced attended by the Chiefs in 1860 where one by one they restated the Queen as their head.

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  89. deadrightkev (340 comments) says:

    Unity

    This is the massive underlying cancer growing throughout NZ society. So much cultural ignorance, misinformation and untruth masquerading as equality.

    This perpetual scam is supported by National either through deeply shameful ignorance or blatant property rights fraud. As the media is donkey deep in the whole charade it is unlikely that those culpable of this mass destruction of democracy and transfer of wealth to iwi will be held to account. Not in my lifetime anyway. By then our children and their children will be second class citizens funding a small totally undeserving privileged group that exist simply through accident at birth.

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  90. Unity (411 comments) says:

    We are obviously on the same page, deadrightkev. However, we must never give up on enlightening all the ignorant (either by accident or design) ones as to our true history and how an enormous wrong is currently being done to the rest of us who don’t have a thread of Maori blood in our veins. It’s all an utter disgrace and only allowed to happen by corrupt politicians who are more interested in their own re-election chances than what’s right for the people and the country.

    The sheer gall of some greedy people of Maori descent is staggering, and if it wasn’t actually happening right before our eyes, would be totally unbelievable. We must keep on informing our children of our correct history and hopefully we will get a credible leader with the guts to turn this mess around sooner rather than later.

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