Cunliffe wrote on behalf of Liu after denying he knew him or advocated for him

June 18th, 2014 at 1:06 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports Cunliffe’s earlier denials on Tuesday:

Q: Do you recall ever meeting Liu?
A: I don’t recall ever meeting him, no.
Q: Did you have anything to do with the granting of his permanent residency?
A: No, I did not.
Q: Did you advocate on his behalf at all?
A: Nope.
Q:Were you aware of any advice against granting him permanent residency?
A: Not to my recollection.

They now reveal that he wrote to immigration officials on his behalf in 2003:

The 2003 letter was written in his capacity as the MP for New Lynn after he was “approached my constituent Donghua Lui [sic] who is concerned at the time it is taking to process his Investment Category application”.

Mr Cunliffe this week denied any involvement with Liu’s residency bid after the Herald revealed the property developer paid $15,000 at a Labour Party fundraiser for a book signed by Helen Clark in 2007.

The letter, released to the Herald today under the Official Information Act, dated April 11, 2003 said Liu’s application for residency was accepted for processing by the Immigration Service on August 13, 2002.

Mr Cunliffe said Mr Liu wished to set up a joint venture business with his Tianlong Property Development Company – which owns his stalled property development in Newmarket – to export large quantities of agricultural and horticultural products to China.

“It is hoped that products from the company will be available to the market in July 2003,” wrote Mr Cunliffe.

“I am aware of the difficulties facing the Business Migration Branch of New Zealand Immigration Services in coping with the overwhelming numbers of applicants that have applied for consideration under these categories and the time taken to verify documents.

“However, it would be very helpful to Mr Liu to be advised of an estimated period of time in which he could expect a decision on his case.”

So what do we have now:

  • denied advocating on behalf of Liu or ever even meeting him, yet wrote a letter on his behalf to immigration officials
  • Liu made two large donations to Labour (one for a book and one for wine), neither of which Labour ever disclosed
  • A former Labour Internal Affairs Minister was hosted by Liu in China, with costs likely to be well over $500 yet not disclosed on the Register of Pecuniary Interests
  • Labour granted Liu residency despite official advice, after lobbying by Cunliffe

In light of all of this, the Electoral Commission needs to formally investigate Labour’s 2007 donations return and determine why these donations were not disclosed.

But most of all David Cunliffe has to explain why he denied knowing Liu or advocating for him, when his name and i signature is on a letter doing just that.

UPDATE: John Armstrong writes:

David Cunliffe is in deep political trouble. So deep that his resignation as Labour’s leader may now be very much in order.

It now emerges that – contrary to the point-blank denials that Cunliffe gave to a press conference only yesterday – that he did assist controversial businessman in the latter’s application for New Zealand residency.

At a minimum, the revelation that Cunliffe wrote a letter to immigration officials seeking information on progress regarding the residency application is a massive blow to the Labour leader’s personal credibility. How can anyone have any confidence in what he says from hereon?

Harsh, but what his colleagues will be wondering.

Cunliffe may argue that the letter was about immigration processes and written on a constituent’s behalf – something MPs frequently do – and therefore was not an endorsement of the application.

But that does not wash. Either deliberately or through a lapse of memory, Cunliffe has been economical with the truth.

He has called for National Party ministers’ heads to roll for the equivalent or less. Having set the standard required of others, it is incumbent on him to himself follow suit.

The self-ravaging of his credibility means Labour now has to abandon its strategy of trying to paint John Key and National as corrupt. To carry on it that fashion would be the height of hypocrisy.

But the bigger question now is whether Cunliffe can lead Labour into the coming election campaign with this albatross reeking around his neck.

Unless Cunliffe can come up with a very good explanation, the answer has to be ‘no’. After all Cunliffe is not just trying to win the election, he is also auditioning for the job of Prime Minister. And on that score, today’s events qualify as a fail – and by a wide margin.

Ouch.

The only relatively good news for his colleagues – if you can call it good news – is that under Labour Party rules dealing with emergency situations close to an election, the ballot on a replacement is likely to be restricted to the parliamentary wing rather than also taking in the wider party membership and affiliated trade unions.

Wouldn’t it be fascinating if certain Labour MPs knew that Liu had donated to Labour, but deliberately didn’t tell Cunliffe, so that this would blow up at this stage.

UPDATE2: Duncan Garner writes:

If David Cunliffe’s credibility wasn’t shot before this, it is now. Cunliffe is now unelectable as the next Prime Minister.

He had made it clear: he had not had anything to do with, or met or advocated for National party donor Donghua Liu. But, that’s gone up in smoke, because it’s now become clear he did advocate for him as the local MP.

He wrote a letter to Immigration officials in April 2003 as the MP for New Lynn – on behalf of Liu who was concerned about the time it was taking to process his Investment Category application.

Cunliffe says he can’t recall any of it and his office had no record of the letter. That’s just hopeless. It’s not even a creative excuse.

None of this looks flash for Cunliffe. He looks dishonest and who can trust him now? This goes to the heart of his credibility, integrity and likeability; on all three fronts he’s in serious trouble.

He’s either got “brain-fade”, or he’s a sloppy liar. Perhaps both.

Garner concludes:

This is sloppy and his opponents in caucus will write today’s date down: today is crucial. Today is the day his MPs all privately lost the faith; they’ll be sharpening their knives for the days after the election.

David Cunliffe is toast. Not immediately, but his days are numbered. Unless he can pull off some sort of unlikely and remarkable election victory – which today – just became even more remote.

Labour is now at 23% to win on iPredict.

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242 Responses to “Cunliffe wrote on behalf of Liu after denying he knew him or advocated for him”

  1. FeralScrote (127 comments) says:

    Unbeereevable!

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  2. Huevon (211 comments) says:

    Not going to happen. Only Tories break the law.

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  3. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    If I were the Labour caucus I’d be using that three month window to get rid of their leader. Probably by lunchtime tomorrow.

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  4. wreck1080 (3,813 comments) says:

    Oh this is corrupt!!

    Jeeezz!!!

    This could affect NZ’s standing on the global corruption index.

    Is 2007 outside the statute of limitations?

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    Judith? Where are you Judith?

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  6. Martin Gibson (230 comments) says:

    Traditional Labour voters must be starting to realise they have to “destroy the village to save the village”; close their eyes and take their votes elsewhere or nowhere so Labour get the purge they they will need to be worth electing again ever.

    As an additional bonus I can’t wait to see some of those troughers try to find employment outside the echo chamber of hatred.

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  7. polemic (429 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how to get hold of Graham McCready?
    Is that his name? – something rings a bell about his prowess as pursing politicians but I may be thinking of Nicky Hager !

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  8. mara (752 comments) says:

    I need a stronger grade of pop-corn!

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  9. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

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    David Cunliffe is in deep political trouble. So deep that his resignation as Labour’s leader may now be very much in order.

    It now emerges that – contrary to the point-blank denials that Cunliffe gave to a press conference only yesterday – that he did assist controversial businessman Donghua Liu in the latter’s application for New Zealand residency.

    At a minimum, the revelation that Cunliffe wrote a letter to immigration officials seeking information on progress regarding the residency application is a massive blow to the Labour leader’s personal credibility. How can anyone have any confidence in what he says from hereon?

    Cunliffe may argue that the letter was about immigration processes and written on a constituent’s behalf – something MPs frequently do – and therefore was not an endorsement of the application.

    But that does not wash. Either deliberately or through a lapse of memory, Cunliffe has been economical with the truth.

    He has called for National Party ministers’ heads to roll for the equivalent or less. Having set the standard required of others, it is incumbent on him to himself follow suit.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11276526

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  10. J Mex (184 comments) says:

    Inside the Labour Caucus…

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  11. Paulus (2,565 comments) says:

    Well done Grant. Timing is everything – right.

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  12. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Has anyone asked Maurice Williamson for comment?

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  13. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    Where is Judge Judith when you need her advice. Looking forward to see what spin she puts on this one. Old thumb face Cunners is in trouble and will have trouble getting out of this hole.

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  14. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Bloody cunners – just when Key is looking like he has it in the bag. Disaster for National if cunners is forced to resign.

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  15. mikemikemikemike (320 comments) says:

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  16. nadir (100 comments) says:

    Hmmm – I can see how Cunliffe will spin this already. His answers to the 4 questions were very artfully phrased.

    Q1 and Q4 he has attempted to leave sufficient wriggle room – faulty memory, long time ago etc “I didn’t deny it, just couldn’t remember it”

    Q2 – probably fair he was outside the official loop, therefore a definitive answer

    Q3 again probably ok – ” the letter isn’t advocacy, I was merely asking how the process was going”

    But taken in context, he has seriously screwed up. This will make him such damaged goods hypocritical, dishonest and incompetent all in the same package. If he lasts to the debates it will be worse for him than either Goff getting asked “show me the money” or Helen Clark suggesting John Key was a wifebeater. Pure comedy gold.

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  18. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (839 comments) says:

    Folks – I trust David Cunliffe. He is a honest man. Yeah Right……….This is the best day of my political life!! I want to celebrate with like minded Kiwiblog and WhaleOil friends!!

    I hope Cunliffe doesn’t resign…..I can see Key making a mince meat of him in the leaders’ debate….Please Mr Farrar do not give any ideas to Cunliffe that he should resign……Armstrong, encourage him to stay on please….

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  19. redqueen (521 comments) says:

    For once, and I’m still struggling here, it might be that the MSM is actually not being biased…they’ve beaten National up over this, and now they’re giving Labour a good pounding. Still not sure I believe it!

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  20. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    J Mex

    “Battleship” is a game of strategy. The fuckwit Lord cunners of “The Leaves”, Marine Parade, Herne Bay, is playing an entirely different game.

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  21. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Yes that would be fascinating.
    This is awesome. The guy should just stay at home and pick the eggs up for his wife, hes blown it and its all so wonderfully his own fault

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  22. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

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  23. James Stephenson (2,096 comments) says:

    Either deliberately or through a lapse of memory, Cunliffe has been economical with the truth.

    Again

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  24. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s 4 answers to the 4 questions appear to be TRUE.

    Looks pretty slimy though…

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  25. davidp (3,558 comments) says:

    Q. Does David Cunliffe stand behind all his statements?

    “Labour Party leader David Cunliffe says the resignation is “another example of a decline in ministerial standards” among the National Government. “The Prime Minister has had no choice but to sack him from his Government and any minister who interfered in police matters in a government I lead would be instantly gone.” Whether Mr Williamson should resign as an MP would be up to the Electoral Act, he says. New Zealanders expect higher standards of ministers than Mr Key is requiring, he says. “National ministers seem to believe they don’t have to follow the same rules as everyone else. “John Key once had high standards for his ministers. The cases of ministers breaking the rules for their friends are mounting up. Maurice Williamson now joins the ranks of the disgraced behind Richard Worth, Pansy Wong, Nick Smith, John Banks, Peter Dunne and Judith Collins.” Mr Cunliffe says while Mr Williamson has been forced to go, Mr Key’s “culture of entitlement” will continue.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Maurice-Williamson-resigns-as-minister/tabid/1607/articleID/342297/Default.aspx

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  26. Pdubyah (17 comments) says:

    Sinking quicker and with less trace than TNZ

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  27. OneTrack (2,822 comments) says:

    nadir – ” faulty memory, long time ago etc “I didn’t deny it, just couldn’t remember it””

    Except the lefties have made it clear that not being able to remember is not a valid excuse.

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  28. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    RPM
    How can you say they are all true, he clearly advocated so they are clearly a lie!!!!!!!!!

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  29. anonymouse (708 comments) says:

    Its probably close enough to the election that if Cunliffe did the honourable thing and resigned that Robertson would get a free pass for the election result, and could start afresh in October…….
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  30. BeaB (2,084 comments) says:

    Reeks of an inside job.

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  31. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    That is the harshest column I can recall Armstrong ever writing…But I am with Sir Cullen: Cunners as leader – and facing JK in debates – is a much better prospect that him being replaced with someone not so inept…and dishonest.

    RRM: Your definition of “true” obviously differs from mine…

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  32. timmydevo (46 comments) says:

    How on earth did he ever imagine that no one would find out about this? How on earth can he expect to lead the country if this is his way of going about things? Time for the man to go.

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  33. Julian (169 comments) says:

    I’m surprised there’s nothing on The Standard about this? /sarcasm

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  34. maxwell (49 comments) says:

    The Dance of St. David.

    Shrinking pinhead, expanding feet.

    No room left in mouth.

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  35. davidp (3,558 comments) says:

    One of these things is not like the others…

    1. Len Brown. Asked for donations from Sky City. Accepted free hotel rooms from Sky City. Advocated on behalf of Sky City’s casino business.

    2. David Cunliffe. His party took secret donations from Liu. In return, he wrote a secret letter to Immigration on Liu’s behalf.

    3. John Banks. Took donations from Dotcom. When asked to do a favour for Dotcom, he refused.

    The only one of the three who isn’t corrupt is the only one who was charged of a crime.

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  36. ROJ (104 comments) says:

    Mr. Liu has certainly shown himslf not to be partisan.

    He just buys influence from whomever happens to the Govt. at the time.

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  37. timmydevo (46 comments) says:

    I expect Donghua Liu to start and bankroll a political party now. Just because.

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  38. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Shane Jones will be very pissed off now…….

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  39. Liberty (252 comments) says:

    National is being far to nice. Labour have been caught out big time over donations.
    Time for National to stick the boot in.

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  40. mike tan (433 comments) says:

    Popped over to the stranded to see the rigorous strategical debate about the effects of this revelation. Found everyone piling on Key.

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  41. Jack5 (4,905 comments) says:

    How does NZ get rated one of the least corrupt countries in the world, when our politicians are on the take from foreigners trying to force their way into the country?

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  42. Chris2 (768 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s letter to Immigration refers to Liu as a constituent.

    It would be useful to have confirmation that Liu was residing in Cunliffe’s electorate at that time.

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  43. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    The ABC Club operates in a much better fashion in regards to Labour’s donations than the Cabinet Club does for National, that seems evident.

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  44. greenjacket (437 comments) says:

    “You’re not the messiah. You’re just a very naughty boy”.

    And Shane Jones must be REALLY pissed off he resigned when he did!

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  45. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    In light of all of this, the Electoral Commission needs to formally investigate Labour’s 2007 donations return and determine why these donations were not disclosed.

    The Electoral Commission responsible for investigating 2007 donation returns *literally* does not exist.

    The new Electoral Commission has no responsibility for investigating things that if they occurred did so under a law that is no longer in effect, several years before it existed.

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  46. eszett (2,374 comments) says:

    martinh (1,129 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
    RPM
    How can you say they are all true, he clearly advocated so they are clearly a lie!!!!!!!!!

    He did not advocate , he asked for a date when the decision would be made:

    “However, it would be very helpful to Mr Liu to be advised of an estimated period of time in which he could expect a decision on his case.”

    So technically his answer was truthful, he did not advocate for Lui.

    Advocating for Lui would have been to argue for a positive outcome

    Still, given the line on questioning and given the focus on this topic, he should have been upfront about writing the letter. It is just plain stupid not to

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  47. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    martinh / David Garrett:

    My definition of “true” in this context is that the message contained in the actual words that were spoken is strictly correct.

    The overall effect is dodgy though, I agree…

    [edit: what eszett just said. That's what I meant ;-) ]

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  48. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Silent T comes across more bogus and implausible than a $3 note.
    The socialist leader is a FAILURE on all counts.

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  50. Nostalgia-NZ (5,045 comments) says:

    Another example of where using ‘yes I did’ would have deflated the balloon but Cunliffe, despite seeing what happened to Banks because of his denials, follows the same ‘chem’ trails.

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  51. alloytoo (468 comments) says:

    We need to reject any notion of Cunners resigning, any notion at all. Cunners is the best man to lead labour into this election.

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  52. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    lol @ the judith standard.

    national mp – coincidence and innuendo = guilty.
    labour mp – sees proof, asks – wheres the proof?

    hahaha

    partisan nutter

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  53. Captain Pugwash (98 comments) says:

    What a dork! He is a politician he should know how to answer this question… “… Look I don’t recall if I’ve ever met this guy, I’ll check my records… and get back to you…”

    You would have thought Cunliffe or his people would have would have checked his records to see what contact Cunliffe or the Labour party has had with Liu.

    FFS the guy is out of his depth. The country needs more out of out leaders than this.

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  54. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    ross001 (60 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Meanwhile, John Key says re Iraq that: “We are not a country out there looking for a fight.” Yet in 2003 he was desperate for NZ troops to be sent to Iraq. Shocking hypocrisy.

    Compare and contrast Iraq in 2003 vs Iraq in 2014. Are they the same thing? They are not, are they?

    There is no inconsistency (and CERTAINLY no hypocrisy!) in being for A and against B, when A and B are two different things.

    But I think you probably meant to post that in the Iraq thread?

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  55. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    Penny. Report to your post, Penny, PENNY, PENNNNNNY where are you!

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  56. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    eszett, RRM
    If you read the letter he clearly had something to do with his residency granting, the letter was an involvement in itself.

    Q: Did you have anything to do with the granting of his permanent residency?
    A: No, I did not.

    Reading the letter there is also subtleties of lobbying in there two such as about hoping to get products to market

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  57. Simon (717 comments) says:

    Labour should stop shagging around and just appoint Dotcom as Labour leader now. Will save a lot of time.

    They both have the same amount of creditability but Dotcom will be able to rally the base (the nutters) better and no scrambling for donations.

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  59. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Well I hope Cunliffe stays. He’s just the gift that keeps on giving- to National. Besides only someone with a massive ego would consider that they had any hope at this stage of resurrecting Labour would stand. Oh wait…

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  60. Sam A (18 comments) says:

    Hmm…Taito Phillip Field batted for friends who were constituents and was sent to prison for 6 years. His alleged benefit was $24,000 (which btw was based on dodgy inflated valuations of work done, and the amount was cut in half to $24k AFTER he was released from jail).
    Fairness, equity anyone?

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  61. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    FeralScrote (20 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Unbeereevable!

    So Ronery

    Why is everyone so fuckin’ stupid?

    Why aren’t more people intewrigent?

    Wike me?

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  62. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    …while the PM can blatantly lie..

    Two wrongs make a right!

    Hey, LOOK AT THAT OVER THERE!

    :-)

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  64. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Sam A

    Taito was sitting fine till he said he might stand as an independent. I’m picking Cunliffe won’t do that so he’ll be fine.

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  65. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    Presumably he [Key] now realises that the invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake.

    So let me get this straight:

    If it supports the premise that something John Key said or did was wrong, you’re willing to argue that Saddam Hussein was a good guy and there was no more legitimate case for removing him than any other political leader?

    You can’t trust John Key, right? :-D

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  66. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    Yes Sam, But Tatio was a brown man. They are out of favour at the moment. The Left like oversized white racist foreigners with crimianal records. Mr Cunliffe looks like he might be have reset his moral compass, while he was out at the “mansion”

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  67. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    “ROJ (46 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    Mr. Liu has certainly shown himslf not to be partisan.

    He just buys influence from whomever happens to the Govt. at the time.

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    The Nationalistas taking so much glee in this current stuff up should take heed.

    kowtow kowtow kowtow.

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  68. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Fortunately for Key, cunners’ War Room will be in hyperdrive on this to clean up the mess and keep cunners in the job – all cunners’ best people will be on the case … oops …

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  69. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Wrong thread ross001 – you should be commenting on Key rules out SAS going to Iraq.

    You would not want anyone to think that you were pathetically trying to divert this thread about yet another Cunnliffe/Labour ballsup?

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  70. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    If it supports the premise that something John Key said or did was wrong, you’re willing to argue that Saddam Hussein was a good guy and there was no more legitimate case for removing him than any other political leader?

    Good attempt at a straw man. I don’t recall saying that Hussein was a “good guy”. The raison d’etre for invading Iraq was to remove those dastardly WMDs, which of course never existed.

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  71. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    you should be commenting on Key rules out SAS going to Iraq.

    So, you have no comment on the PM’s shocking hypocrisy?

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  72. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    I have comments on the shocking hypocrisy and double standards of Cunnliffe and the Labour party if that helps? :)

    Also on their political and communication incompetence, although as noted above by one commentator, perhaps the ABC faction withheld this vital information.

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  73. unaha-closp (1,141 comments) says:

    Presumably he now realises that the invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake.

    In 2003 the Labour Party sent a warship to support the invasion and then had our troops occupy Iraq.

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  74. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    I don’t recall saying that Hussein was a “good guy”.

    No, but you claimed there was hypocrisy in JK supporting going to Iraq in 2003 vs opposing going to Iraq in 2014.

    Let’s unpack that:

    1/
    For there to be hypocrisy, he has to be claiming a higher moral position than is in fact the case, i.e. his 2014 opposition has to be a deceitful attempt to smokescreen his 2003 support.

    2/
    But “Iraq” in 2014 is a different country with a different political system and different circumstances than “Iraq” in 2003.

    3/
    Therefore sending troops to one is an entirely different proposition to sending troops to the other.

    4/
    Therefore it is entirely consistent to hold different positions on the two different propositions, there is no hypocrisy.

    5/
    You cling to the words “looking for a fight”. Do you believe New Zealanders were “looking for a fight” in September 1939?

    I put it to you, that you dispute my point (2) and you see no difference between sending troops to Hussein’s Iraq in 2003, vs sending troops now, and that is the source of what you perceive as Hypocrisy.

    (Either that, or else John Key said it, and you can’t trust John Key, therefore it’s hypocrisy.)

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  75. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    Why are we talking about Iraq in 2003, This is about a porkie Cunliffe told yesterday!

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  76. Bill (94 comments) says:

    “However, it would be very helpful to Mr Liu to be advised of an estimated period of time in which he could expect a decision on his case.”

    This is what Cunliffe asked in his letter. It is the minimum any MP should do for a member of the public appoaching his office.

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  77. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Why are we talking about Iraq in 2003, This is about a porkie Cunliffe told yesterday!

    We’re not!

    ross001 is talking about Iraq in 2003 – and he’s doing so precisely because Cunliffe told a huge porky yesterday.

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  78. slernz (33 comments) says:

    I wonder if Comrade Campbell will run a witch hunt, er… show about this matter?

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  79. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    My goodness, Cunliffe wrote a letter more than 11 years ago! The temerity of the guy…

    David Garrett was railroaded out of parliament for something he did almost 30 years ago and when he wasn’t a MP. Cunliffe was a MP 11 yrs ago and it’s much more recent. On these bases he’s in the dole queue.

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  80. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    @ Graeme Edgeler – is it too late for criminal charges to be filed against Labour if it is found that donations received by the party in 2007 and requiring declaration were not declared? Or will Father Time and the Statute of Limitations save Labour?

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  81. CHFR (220 comments) says:

    It is always the cover up not the crime that gets you in trouble. For heavens sake even my 8 year old knows this.

    As for all of you pointing at National please remember when doing that for every one finger you point at National you have 3 pointing back at you. Just think about it and ask yourself is it really worth trying to defend the indefensible.

    At least Maurice W had the balls to say he DID advocate for a constituent, something Bill rightly points out is the job of an MP.

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  82. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    KS: I can answer half that question…there IS no “statute of limitations” in New Zealand…which was why I faced a charge of forgery in respect of the passport application 27 years after the offence…

    I believe there are time limits for some pretty minor offences…Graeme will know…anyone know what has happened to FES??

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  83. James Stephenson (2,096 comments) says:

    @DG & KS – I think Mr Edgeler was around yesterday to say that the clock had indeed run out on charging anyone over the declarations, or lack thereof.

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  84. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    JS: Yes…I think he was…but the reason was not a Statute of Limitations…If we had one of those I might still be an MP!! Rodders would certainly have remained leader for the remainder of the term with a solid 3-2 majority in caucus…

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  85. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    Se it works like this; Offences that MPs may commit have a short statute of limitations and other offences …. the MPs don’t need to worry about them so they live for ever.

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  86. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is pleading – I didn’t lie !

    Loser !!!!!

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  87. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    He may well stay on as leader…but can you imagine the debates during the campaign? Everywhere he goes – except when preaching to the converted – he will be dogged about this…

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  88. Prince (92 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s letter smacks of the same inappropriate advocacy Williamson showed on his phone call to Police.
    They both requested something be done (Cunliffe – set a timeline, Williamson – communicate with Liu), they also subtly positioned Liu as someone who should be given preferential treatment (Williamson – invested heavily in Akld property, Cunliffe – setting up an export venture).
    Now Williamson at least did not lie when questioned on this, but on the other hand, Cunliffe was not a minister at the time.

    Cunliffe’s attacks on Williamson, when he clearly behaved the same way, leaves him in a very awkward position.
    I don’t believe National will want Cunliffe to stand down as Labour leader before the election – he is a significant strength to their chances. The ABC club, however, may think otherwise, and they now have the power to act.

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  89. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    Yes…I think he was…but the reason was not a Statute of Limitations…If we had one of those I might still be an MP!!

    A large number of offences have limitation periods. This is one reason you weren’t charged under the Passports Act, David! Limitation had expired on that offence.

    The limitation period for the potential offence involved in Labour maybe not declaring a donation is well passed.

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  90. mikemikemikemike (320 comments) says:

    I just read the letter sent, its somewhat light isn’t it? Hardly advocating for him – he is asking how long the processing will take.

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  91. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    ross001 & Bill. So it is OK for Cunliffe to write a letter on behalf of a constituent to get an update to how long something will take but it is not OK for McCully to do the same thing with a phone call.

    What you two don’t understand is most of us could not give a stuff about either episode but we do care about the hypocrisy of Cunliffe helping push a Cabinet Minister out of his job when he did the same sort thing.

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  92. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    @ Graeme Edgeler – is it too late for criminal charges to be filed against Labour if it is found that donations received by the party in 2007 and requiring declaration were not declared? Or will Father Time and the Statute of Limitations save Labour?

    The time limit was, at the time, six months. It is too late.

    Section 226 of the Electoral Act 1993 (as then in force http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/1.0/DLM310424.html)

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  93. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Ross12

    It’s different when Labour do it !

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  94. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Graeme

    The court of public opinion has a some what longer accountability period.

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  95. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    mikenwimp: Not only are you a supporter of losers leeches, and layabouts, but also liars. I call it KARMA.

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  96. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I see Cunliffe is now running the “I didn’t lie, I just couldn’t remember” defence.
    Oh, and good afternoon jgm.

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  97. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    ross001 is talking about Iraq in 2003 – and he’s doing so precisely because Cunliffe told a huge porky yesterday.

    Except Cunliffe didn’t tell a porkie, a good example of which is John Key saying that Standard and Poors had told him a credit downgrade would be more likely with a change of Government. Standard and Poors never said such a thing. Clearly, you’re comfortable with a dishonest PM.

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  98. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    I see Cunliffe is now running the “I didn’t lie, I just couldn’t remember” defence.

    Yeah the temerity of the guy. How could he not recall something that happened more than 11 years ago!

    By the way, what was John Key’s position on the controversial Springboks’ tour?

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  99. Igotta Numbum (446 comments) says:

    I just read the letter sent, its somewhat light isn’t it? Hardly advocating for him – he is asking how long the processing will take.

    Mikemikemikemike…. it is light, but when it’s written on parliamentary letterhead, with a pic of the MP, the people receiving it know EXACTLY what the writer is getting at.

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  100. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    ross001 aka Ross69: You were at the meeting between the PM and the Standard and Poors reps were you?? How many were there? What was discussed?

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  101. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    So it is OK for Cunliffe to write a letter on behalf of a constituent to get an update to how long something will take but it is not OK for McCully to do the same thing with a phone call.

    Actually, it was Williamson (not McCully) who made a phone call. To the police. While they were undertaking a criminal investigation into Liu. Massively different from what Cunliffe did many years earlier.

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  102. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Bet the fat fairy and his rainbow room rectum reamers are getting ready for a shindig. Who will be queen, Grant or Alf? They will go from bad to worse . . . decadent scum.

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  103. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,834 comments) says:

    I can hear Judith Collins laughing from here!

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  104. Komata (1,142 comments) says:

    PENELOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As others are asking, Where are you?

    Mr Cunnliffe is handing you a classic ‘Corruption’ case on a plate but you are conspicuous by your silence and absence!!!

    Surely as an ‘Anti Corruption Campaigner’, publicly-minded citizen and self-proclaimed pursuer of transparency by ALL politicians, your DUTY is to be here, telling us, and the rest of New Zealand exactly how you are going to go about prosecuting this individual in Court in the same way that you did with John Banks.

    Or are your actions (or lack of) eloquent statements in themselves?

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  105. Duxton (595 comments) says:

    I’m not sure what looks worse (or better, depending on your perspective): the fact that Labour took a $15,000 from someone they have been haranguing National about; or the fact that the individual concerned is a Chinese property investor (you know, the type who Labour blame for putting up house prices)……

    Hilarious!!!!

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  106. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    I can easily imagine that he wouldn’t remember. But that isn’t good enough any more – is it cunners?

    Seems to me that if nothing else, cunners’ brain fade boomerang has returned and collected him in the jack crackers.

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  107. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Neither side comes out smelling good in this, one has resigned – the other wants us to ‘Move on !’

    No prize for guessing which side of the house takes which position.

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  108. Barnsley Bill (982 comments) says:

    A few questions for us to Ponder;
    What role has Chris Carter had in this debacle?
    Who tipped off Jared Savage?
    Is Clark using Carter to clean house and squash Laila Harres chance of being in government?
    When are they going to leak what they did with the 15k and the 100k donations in exchange for residency and really finish Cunliffe.

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  109. minus (160 comments) says:

    Do you trust David Cunliffe after he advocated for Donghua Liu?

    Yes, the revelations don’t change a thing.
    93 votes, 9.4%
     
    I did, but I trust him less now.
    99 votes, 10.0%
     
    I’ve never trusted him.
    802 votes, 80.7%
     
    Total 994 votes
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10172715/David-Cunliffe-advocated-for-Donghua-Liu#

    Nearly a 1000 votes in quarter of an hour – can Cunliffe’s staff [probably most of 93 votes, 9.4% "Yes, the revelations don't change a thing"] keep up?

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  110. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    Minus: Your post neatly explains why these online self selected “polls” are utterly worthless. DPF: We need an update on his press conference…anything new other than “I don’t remember?” Just as an aside…less that scrupulous lawyers tell their clients that “I don’t recall” can be a pretty useful answer…cant be accused of misleading the court…

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  111. Mark (1,432 comments) says:

    Just another straw on the camels back. I am sure John Key would rather see Cunliff survive this and go into the election completely neutered than have a labour leadership change but either way there is little hope for Labour

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  112. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    igm (1,220 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Bet the fat fairy and his rainbow room rectum reamers are getting ready for a shindig. Who will be queen, Grant or Alf? They will go from bad to worse . . . decadent scum.

    Stay classy… we’re meant to be better than the left, right?

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  113. ROJ (104 comments) says:

    Where’s Matt?

    Isn’t he supposed to be Cunliffe’s Chief of Staff, shouldn’t he be pulling out the paperwork and until then, telling him to say “It’ll all get sorted … I’ll have the detail for you soon … move along and you’ll forget all about this in the morning …” ?

    Or maybe he’s got another puppet in the war chest. Where’s Laila’s phone number?

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  114. RossM (39 comments) says:

    I did not have sexual relations with that man.

    Sorry, David, we’ve heard it all before.

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  115. polemic (429 comments) says:

    The Dear Leader has sent out a mandate to the faithful – (I think there is still some)

    “Most Faithful Comrades, At all costs all comrades must attack the PM very quickly, dig up anything at all to divert the attention away from me as the Herald has viciously attacked me for something that I didn’t do, I mean,I cant remember – I have authorized the use of lethal force to take out all who doubt my integrity- Your Dear Leader Kim Yong Cunners”

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  116. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Come on Fairfax/APN/Mediaworks, really take this treacherous bastard apart while he is down . . . this is the way you operate when National look shaky!

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  117. lilman (931 comments) says:

    Yes hes a twat Judith,yet you still support him leading labour and you will vote labour.

    God David Bain was lucky to have people like you supporting him,must have made him all warm and fuzzy in side.

    What a joke.

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  118. tas (596 comments) says:

    To be honest, I don’t think Cunliffe has really done anything wrong …apart from being a complete and utter hypocrite. If Cunliffe hadn’t fiercely attacked National and ACT MPs when they got in trouble for similar things, I’d have some sympathy for him over this. Now the media sharks are circling him and all I can do is laugh (all the way to ipredict).

    Karma’s a bitch innit.

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  119. tvb (4,255 comments) says:

    June 18 is battle of Waterloo anniversary.

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  120. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    David was a good man, a faithfull husband and a loving father
    He made substantial contribution to NZ politics and was always was loyal to his” principles”, he will be missed by friend and foe!
    Oh wait on, I’m a bit early, he hasnt resigned yet.

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  121. polemic (429 comments) says:

    Another update to the Faithful,

    Dear Comrades,

    I have just taken a call from our most Revered Former Dear Leaderess and she has informed me not to give up yet – wait until tomorrow as she wants to talk to H2 whoever that is.

    So Comrades the dreadful MSM have sent only one reporter so far and only armed with a pen, notebook and and Ipad, I could see no other weapons, so we may live to fight this out yet.

    Keep fighting Comrades I will make you great. ( ps she said get KDC to help you but we only have a KFC in Herne Bay)

    Your Dear Leader Kim Yong Cunners

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  122. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    ross001 @ 2.56. Yes I did get the names mixed up ( Williamson & McCully) . But please explain how the two instances are different and how “many years earlier” has got anything to do with it ?

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  123. PhilP (159 comments) says:

    @ polemic
    “Does anyone know how to get hold of Graham McCready?
    Is that his name? – something rings a bell about his prowess as pursing politicians but I may be thinking of Nicky Hager !”

    Graham McCready only goes after politicians on the right.

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  124. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Ross12

    But please explain how the two instances are different and how “many years earlier” has got anything to do with it ?

    Are you new to NZ ? It’s different when Labour do it !

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  125. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Rapidly approaching 50 downticks for Judith’s bonkers post at 1:23!
    Penny will be getting jealous….

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  126. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Longknives

    It’s got to 50 ;-)

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  127. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    Longknives. 4.20pm.

    Judge Judith is in free fall. Now waiting for fresh instructions from Cunners.

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  128. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    Phillp said “Graham McCready only goes after politicians on the right”.
    But Penny is a woman of principle she will demonstrate her integrity and impartialiy by immediately commencing a private prosecution against David Cunliffe.
    Penny, PENNY, PENNNNNNNNNY where are you.

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  129. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,834 comments) says:

    Before he became leader I thought Cunliffe was the best they had. I had not realised how thoroughly incompetent and dishonest he is.

    My guess is he’ll be rolled during the three month window and Labour will try to get NZ to elect its first poofter PM.

    Will that be the first time Labour uses the 90 day trial period?

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  130. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Judith is now speechless because I keep stealing her line – It’s different when Labour do it !

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  131. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    I see that the female Iprent over on the substandard is in complete denial.

    Many of their posters are unable to find fault with what Cunners did and making threats of payback when he becomes PM.

    Got to watch out for those low flying pigs !!!!

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  132. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Adolf

    That is; knowingly elect its first openly poofter gay PM.

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  133. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    In the Herald, Cunliffe is quoted as saying:

    He said that “I have not lied about anything to do with Mr Liu”, and he would not resign.

    “I did not advocate for him. A letter has just come to my attention which is eleven years old.

    I simply asked how long a processing process would take.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11276510

    But check out the first 25 seconds or so of Sue Moroney’s speech in the General Debate this afternoon as she says “All they can do is get very excited about a letter about an MP advocating for a constituent…

    http://youtu.be/968HRBX2TcQ

    Sue Moroney is a Cunliffe loyalist. Whether by accident or whether by design, she pulled the rug out from under Mr Cunliffe earlier this afternoon.

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  134. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    He is on One News, looks like he is going to try and ride it out!
    Great! Labour heads into the election fronted by a “lame duck” (No Mallard hasn’t broken his leg).
    My biggest fear now is they might ditch him and get someone more competent!

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  135. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,834 comments) says:

    KS

    Is that the letter in which he carefully pointed out how much money Mr Liu was going to invest in NZ and what huge amounts of exports would result from his presence here?

    Was that before or after he ‘simply asked’ how long the process would take?

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  136. Bill (94 comments) says:

    A constituent enters Cunliffe’s office and tells one of his staff that his application for residency is going along slowly and as he wants to invest in NZ he would like to have it processed faster.
    Cunliffe’s staff write up a letter asking when it might be proceses and gets Cunliffe to sign it.

    Eleven year later
    Cunliffe is asked if “Do you recall ever meeting Liu?”
    Cunliffe said “I don’t recall ever meeting him, no.”

    This beat-up is bull@#$%.

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  137. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Labour’s immigration policy – Too many foreigners buying houses – just let in extremely wealthy foreigners who can buy multiple houses and make secret donations to Labour – Bwahahahahaha

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  138. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    burt: Yep,. I am with you…I am pretty sure we have already had a closet gay PM…I wonder if the country is ready for Robertson and his “husband”?? I somehow doubt it…

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  139. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Bill

    see: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10173411/David-Cunliffes-catastrophes

    This is one of many … (ah-hem) beat ups …..

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  140. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    He is on One News, looks like he is going to try and ride it out!

    Ride what out? That he wrote a letter on behalf of a constituent more than 11 years ago, a letter that nearly all MPs will have written at some stage?

    The National Party Research Unit really do have to try harder…this is an A grade fail. But it does show one thing – that they are serisouly scared of being in Opposition after September 20.

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  141. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    ross001

    Perhaps the fact he is on TV trying to front foot this tells us it’s a bigger issue than you want to pretend it isn’t.

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  142. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    To continue your analogy Polemic:
    Standing staunchly on the top of his obsolete Red & Green submarine Dear Leader put his blind eye to the polls as he commands “Dive” to plum the depths of political hypocrisy.

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  143. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    A constituent enters Cunliffe’s office and tells one of his staff that his application for residency is going along slowly and as he wants to invest in NZ he would like to have it processed faster.
    Cunliffe’s staff write up a letter asking when it might be proceses and gets Cunliffe to sign it.

    Eleven year later
    Cunliffe is asked if “Do you recall ever meeting Liu?”
    Cunliffe said “I don’t recall ever meeting him, no.”

    This beat-up is bull@#$%.

    So a prospective Prime Minister neither reads nor pays attention to his letters he signs on behalf of constituents.

    Three comments on that. The first is to question whether he didn’t want to read it so as to be “wilfully blind”. The second is to question why he expected John Key to have read John Banks police report when he chooses to ignore politically difficult correspondence himself. The last one is to seriously question whether he is PM material if he just signs stuff willy-nilly.

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  144. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    explaining is losing ross001

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  145. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    Ross: You have to be joking! Have you read Armstrong and Garner?? OK, Armstrong probably leans a wee bit to the right, but Garner??

    Typical leftie self delusion…What was Clark’s favourite phrase? “Time to move on…”

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  146. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    I wonder if cunners’ secret donors feel they’re getting their money’s worth.

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  147. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    Perhaps the fact he is on TV trying to front foot this tells us it’s a bigger issue than you want to pretend it isn’t.

    Perhaps the fact it will be fish and chip paper next week and will be just as memorable as its contents tells us all we need to know.

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  148. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    A constituent enters Cunliffe’s office….

    Man walks into a bar ….

    Both are the start of a joke Ross001…..

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  149. Sporteone (31 comments) says:

    Oh dear. Poor David.
    I think we have a massive outbreak of ‘Foot in Mouth’ disease. He should be quarantined.

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  150. burt (8,035 comments) says:

    Perhaps the fact it will be fish and chip paper next week …

    Or will it be chopped liver wrapper ?

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  151. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Now hear this.
    Now hear this.
    This is not a drill.
    I repeat.
    This is not a drill

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  152. fernglas (121 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is probably right when he says he has no memory of this incident. His big mistake is bagging others over Liu without doing proper checks to make sure he was clean himself. It’s not dishonesty, it’s incompetence, and at least you expect politicians to be dishonest.

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  153. polemic (429 comments) says:

    Here is the Dear Leader searching for the PM…

    Why am I sweating so much!!

    I give the command to dive NOW but I fear my story is full of holes my sub is full of holes….

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  154. altiora (221 comments) says:

    @ Judith an alternative view is that Labour are being held to the standard they expect of National and Act; but I doubt your Key Derangement Syndrome allows you to see that.

    What’s got me more concerned is why are our politicians throwing all sense to the wind by associating with these dodgy wealthy foreigners? Why do we need to allow these people in? Get rid of the investor category. Canada’s similar category was routinely abused by dubious wealthy Chinese businessmen and they’ve restricted it considerably. We should do so too.

    I can imagine people like Liu are fanning anti-Chinese sentiment in this country more than anything Winston Peters has ever said.

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  155. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    The hotline to New York must be overloaded with ‘help’ requests

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  156. UpandComer (525 comments) says:

    Ross01 he’s done. I agree the action itself isn’t that bad, arguably. But cunliffe has relentlessly appraised much less active stuff then this as ‘corruption’, for months, and resignable, I.e Nick Smith’s mere letter head. We now have unequivocal proof he lied or he is incompetent, and he is a hypocrite of the highest order. We already knew that, but now it’s undeniable. Cheers.

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  157. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Cunliffe hangs up on Larry Williams http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/listen-on-demand/audio/223514700-david-cunliffe–donghua-liu

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  158. Floyd60 (90 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has to go – useless prk

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  159. Scott1 (481 comments) says:

    I listened to Cunliffe’s explanation and read the letter – simply he is right, this isn’t a significant issue.
    It isn’t the sort of thing you would remember unless you are super human. Cunliffes office could record it but its Cunliffes office and policies 8-11 years ago are the ones that need to be punished for that.

    As to hypocrisy, to use that argument with force one would have to support the policy of not making queries like this on behalf of constituents.

    If one has that position (and thinks that that is the case Cunliffe has been making) then fair enough.

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  160. polemic (429 comments) says:

    Beloved Comrades,

    I haf told zee One News man ” I did not lie, I did not lie ” but they don’t want to listen -

    but wait I have just heard from an aged but trusted friend and he says make up a big sign that says NO and then everyone will believe you

    So stray strong comrades while we make the sign…

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  161. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    Scott, I say again – he is a prospective Prime Minister who neither reads nor pays attention to his letters he signs on behalf of constituents.

    Three comments on that. The first is to question whether he didn’t want to read it so as to be “wilfully blind”. The second is to question why he expected John Key to have read John Banks police report when he chooses to ignore politically difficult correspondence himself. The last one is to seriously question whether he is PM material if he just signs stuff willy-nilly.

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  162. Julian (169 comments) says:

    Lyn at The Stranded thinks: “National’s research unit getting illegal access to immigration files and then telling a journalist what to OIA for.”

    You just couldn’t make this stuff up. It’s too good.

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  163. Julian (169 comments) says:

    QMKIWI sums it up pretty well over there (I can’t post there as am banned for eight weeks for supporting private schools):

    You are completely missing the point. No one (who I have read) on the right or left is suggesting that Cunliffe’s letter was in any way inappropriate – he was just doing an MP’s job. The problem here is that Cunliffe has repeatedly denied ever even hearing about Liu, and now it turns out that this is untrue. So assuming he was not lying – which is what he claims – he now just looks inept, and untrustworthy not because of dishonesty but because of incompetence, which is in some ways worse. People like strong leaders, and have contempt for stumbling, sad, inept – read weak – ones. He’s now comes across as a bit of a Jonah on a boat – bad luck, and due to get thrown overboard.The worst part about this is the talk that this attack comes from within Labour itself – making it obvious that this sad party is completely unready to govern. I used to be a Labour voter, but this just shows that having the left in power right now would be a fragmented disaster. Meanwhile, Key consistently says smart, prudent things on Iraq, Team NZ, etc. No wonder the polls are the way they are.

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  164. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Peters turned down money to talk immigration
    “”They’ve tried to meet with me and the answer’s been ‘no’. I know what it means – they’re not here to advance our democracy – quite the converse,” he said.

    When asked what they were interested it, Mr Peters said: “buying policy changes”.

    “I didn’t have to ask many more questions. If someone is offering that sort of money to go to China to talk about these kinds of issues then I kind of think it’s a lot of money for a trip that should only cost maybe $7000.”

    Mr Peters says the party “did not receive a cent” from Chinese businessman Donghua Liu who has donated money to the two crooked parties (Labour and National).

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Peters-turned-down-money-to-talk-immigration/tabid/1607/articleID/349159/Default.aspx#ixzz34y4WZ4pD

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  165. Floyd60 (90 comments) says:

    Agreed Julian

    Cunliffe is now a liability. His honesty AND judgement are in question – a terminal combination.

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  166. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    I have been trying to confirm that it was the hypocrite Cunliffe who got caught smacking his toddler during the smacking debate. Can anyone recall if I am right or if not which Labour MP it was? If I am right now would be the time to put the pressure on him.

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  167. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    This is the leading article on Radio NZ news 6pm… including the point that Labour’s been after National over Liu for some time.

    Cunliffe saying “this will all blow over in a few days.” :shock: Astonishing!

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  168. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    Hanging up on Larry Williams…very bad look…Williams wasn’t badgering him, being rude or talking over him…quite unlike that harridan at RNZ Mary Wilson…

    hj: Peters talking about receiving dodgy money is a bloody joke…

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  169. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,834 comments) says:

    Scott1
    Cunliffe is no less advocating for this fellow’s interests than was Maurice Williamson. I suggest you get hold of the transcript of Williamson’s phone call. That’s what will hang Cunliffe.

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  170. Julian (169 comments) says:

    Floyd60 – not my comment (copied from the Standard) but pretty accurate I thought.

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  171. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    According to Cunliffe he deals with hundreds of constituents a year and it was 11 years ago. Possibly a few hundred people if he’s exaggerating. Hmm trust this one or Key, who reckons he forgot he went to school with the GCSB chappie’s brother AND forgot that their parents were bosom pals? Maybe I should dig out all those excuses for Key that were lumped on those posts back then…

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  172. dad4justice (7,979 comments) says:

    There isn’t a kiwi politician who is not corrupt ask anybody with a brain cell.

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  173. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    Three comments on that. The first is to question whether he didn’t want to read it so as to be “wilfully blind”. The second is to question why he expected John Key to have read John Banks police report when he chooses to ignore politically difficult correspondence himself. The last one is to seriously question whether he is PM material if he just signs stuff willy-nilly.

    Hundreds of constituents a year allegedly. Bit different to reading the report of a guy in your own Government who you publically had a cup of tea with and has been splashed on the front page for the past month…

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  174. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    its a fool: It’s actually quite fun listening to you lefties twist and twirl ..FWIW I don’t think “the letter” is that big a deal…what IS a big deal is him going after Williamson to beat the band and then later trying to deny he even met the guy…Mr Dongua Liu is not just any old constituent…if indeed he ever WAS Cunliffe’s constituent…He is a highly dodgy Chinese “businessman” spraying around money…If Cunliffe really cant remember, then at the very least he’s inept…

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  175. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Has anyone ever had 63 Downticks before??

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  176. wreck1080 (3,813 comments) says:

    With respect to Cunliffes brain fade— it’s been mentioned many times that Cunliffe is an exceptionally bright individual.

    In view of that, i don’t accept his forgetfulness.

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  177. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    Shouldn’t a minister writing such a letter at least know or make enquiry about the subject of the letter? At least Williamson had a sense of what tangible benefits Liu was proposing before advocating/lobbying the put forward ideas. I find it bizarre if they just send off form letters for all and sundry.

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  178. Yvette (2,745 comments) says:

    Approaching the last Election the nation was asked to vote for Labour, knowing their Leader would be dumped immediately after the Election.
    Now, approaching this up-coming Election, we have exactly the same situation.

    Don’t they get any points for consistency? :-)

    Cunliffe has the full support of Caucus … the National Caucus.

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  179. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    I’ve been busy this afternoon, and just came back, how nice – 63 people reading my post (because they wouldn’t be biased twats that vote without making an informed decision, would they! :P ). Good to know people bother –

    As I’ve said before, if other people decide only to post to be part of the club, posting only to be popular, then kudos to them – leemings have lots of friends.

    There is no reason to twist and turn – whatever Cunliffe has done, is no surprise, he’s a fool – he proved that when he got rid of Shearer, but I do love the hypocrisy of the John Key sunshine club, who for some reason think that their team is squeaky clean – just because Labour are also fiddling and forgetting.

    As for comparing what Cunliffe did to Williamson – I guess that can only be described as desperation. Making a phone call to interfere in a police matter is interfering in a crime – something far more serious than writing a letter (something frequently done) and lying about it.

    Now, has anyone come up with the proof about the $15,000 yet, or are we still forming our opinions on unfounded accusations? Can we talk about John Key’s lies yet, or is that still a no-no, and we’re still working our way through the ‘L’s and haven’t got to N yet?

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  180. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (864 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    If ministers took time to investigate fully every matter before them, they wouldn’t get their correspondence done. I have lots of correspondence from MP’s that I’m sure didn’t even read the response some staff member wrote on their behalf. That doesn’t excuse them, they are at the top and that is where the buck stops, but we would need double the amount of MP’s if they were to take such care over every matter they are asked to deal with.

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  181. Floyd60 (90 comments) says:

    Poor memory is not just a Cunliffe problem – Key does not remember the 81 Springbok Tour (as alluded to by Ross001)- mind you, his briefing notes probably advised him to say that.

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  182. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ itstricky (1,425 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    It’s different when Key does it!

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  183. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    I think that cunners point is that he signs letters without bothering to satisfy himself as to the veracity of the issue raised by his constituents or even a one-on-one with the person on whose behalf he advocates.

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  184. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    According to the effeminate Lynn Prentice is all National’s fault. The diva writes at The sub-Standard:

    “Unlikely. Who inside Labour would have been aware of a form letter written 11 years ago by a electorate staff member in New Lynn?

    This looks to me as being National’s research unit getting illegal access to immigration files and then telling a journalist what to OIA for.”

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  185. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ thedavincimode (6,293 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    I agree, but then its hardly a condition that is specific to Cunliffe.

    Anyone that seriously thinks that ministers investigate every request for assistance they get are dreaming. Electronic emails etc make the process of quickly checking easier. But 11 years ago the Govt was sending the majority of such letters by snail mail – I bet Cunliffe signed the damn thing without even reading it – relying, as most MP’s do, on the judgement of their staff to accentuate any important issues. Another Asian rich guy asking for immigration support, was hardly unique.

    What I want to see is real evidence of this $15,000 donation, and whether it was given at the same time as the support letter. Thus implying a bribe for the support.

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  186. Grant (428 comments) says:

    If what Larry Williams and other say is true, then this letter is just the tip of the ice berg.

    Am enjoying watching Mrs. Prentice and Bradbury squirming.

    All roads lead to China it seems, and there are more donations to be spoken about. I can’t wait.
    G

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  187. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    Judith

    I appreciate that popularity is not your bag but 63 for 2 at stumps is possibly an innings record.

    The best I can remember was Waterwoman’s 55 not out last year. :)

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  188. slijmbal (1,224 comments) says:

    Hopefully, Cunliffe does not get rolled as his failings are as resignable as most of those he has roundly criticised, which weren’t that significant. His crime is is throwing stones in his own glasshouse.

    This will leave him open to to being smacked around the chops until September and making Labour much more difficult to re-elect.

    I must admit to being surprised at the fervour the MDM are showing in going after him. I expected them to be more lenient based on recent behaviour.

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  189. Anthony (785 comments) says:

    A response to that kind of request doesn’t get written by the dept and stuck in the Minister’s in-tray for bulk signing! The Minister would have to personally request that a sympathetic response be written!

    On the $15,000 for the signed book of Helen Clark’s – maybe a book with her signature is worth that so not a donation at all???????

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  190. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe should take tomorrow off to get his head sorted. He could take a day in Liu ;-)

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  191. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    Anthony (751 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    On the $15,000 for the signed book of Helen Clark’s – maybe a book with her signature is worth that so not a donation at all???????

    Any article or service is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. However, what I want to see is the proof that $15,000 is what was paid – so far there has not been one piece of solid evidence. A bank transfer, a bank statement, a receipt – nothing. Now I find that really strange. All these people happy to accept an unsubstantiated word – no wonder fraudsters have such an easy life in New Zealand, with so many prepared to accept something without asking for proof.

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  192. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ nasska (10,216 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    As my naughty two year old grandson demonstrates, any attention is better than none at all! I remember some huge scores when the ticking system first came in – it was so easy to multi-vote. Now its a little harder, but not impossible. However, I prefer to believe that 63 people have taken the time to read my comments. I’m humbled! :P

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  193. Scott1 (481 comments) says:

    NK,
    if you have a problem with that then good. But currently its considered good constituency work. As I was saying before to score points against it honestly you would have to oppose this sort of constituency work.

    Adolf,
    In the letter? No this is definitely less than what Williamson did, unless you are saying that Cunliffe also phoned about the issue. If so then I’m interested. I’m happy to get stuck into Cunliffe too if you have something more than this letter.

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  194. David Garrett (6,785 comments) says:

    Why wud u bother to work out how to double vote Judith?

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  195. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    Labour are probably looking in the wrong place for records of the $15K. Instead of checking under donations they should look at the subheadings.

    The categories of ‘Bribes’, ‘Graft’ & ‘Sale of Ministerial Integrity’ should turn up something. :)

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  196. Scott1 (481 comments) says:

    As per Judith,
    the general assumption is that ministers won’t be doing a full set of background checks on everyone they ask questions on behalf of.

    Personally I am tempted to say that politicians should not help constituents at all at this sort of level but it is a quite tentative position and I think that that might be considered pretty radical as I’m pretty much suggesting abandoning constituency representation.

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  197. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    @ Judith – If it’s evidence you want, I suggest you read the Herald tomorrow. If what as being hinted at this afternoon comes to fruition, some former MP’s ( and maybe some current ones) are going to have some explaining to do.

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  198. Scott1 (481 comments) says:

    For the 15,000 – My guess would be that the dodgy businessman in question has some sort of evidence of his donation and has shown some people. I suspect he is correct but also that Labour hid it (but not illegally) via some sort of a trust or whatever and don’t have a ‘record’ of it.

    there you go – a little bit of charity to both sides.

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  199. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    Wilful blindness?

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  200. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    I am bloody enjoying this. Watching Cuntliffe fall apart on our TV screens and listening to him flounder on our radio waves has really made my week.

    Remember how the left danced all over John Banks political grave?, well I did say at that time that it would not be long before the shoe was on the other foot and as such I am going to enjoy every last minute of Cuntliffes discomfort, I will enjoy it all the more as I get to piss all over Cuntliffes very own political grave.

    Just in the last few hours we have seen Cuntliffe hang up on Larry Williams, turn up late for what I imagine was a soft soap interview with Comrade Campbell and refuse to be interviewed by Hosking on seven sharp.

    There is much more to come here, Hooten is already asking if Liu was even a constituent of Cuntliffe’s, a man with that much money is hardly going to be living in Grey Lynn.

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  201. ross411 (296 comments) says:

    Judith (6,648 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
    There is no reason to twist and turn – whatever Cunliffe has done, is no surprise, he’s a fool – he proved that when he got rid of Shearer, but I do love the hypocrisy of the John Key sunshine club, who for some reason think that their team is squeaky clean – just because Labour are also fiddling and forgetting.

    Cunliffe is indeed a fool. If Liu was not his constituent however, then this looks like more than bungling on his part. It starts to smell, and look dodgy.

    Can we talk about John Key’s lies yet, or is that still a no-no, and we’re still working our way through the ‘L’s and haven’t got to N yet?

    What lies? How can we talk about something that solely exists in your mind, and also only the minds of the desperate Labour fanatic? What are these lies? You need to list them.

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  202. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    Judith. 7.05pm. Suspect you are wrong. Doubt if many of the 63 did read your posts. Just the sight of your name turns blood to ice and the down tick is automatic.

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  203. rightoverlabour (76 comments) says:

    Judith 66 and counting. Is there a record on this blog? Maybe we could set up bets. Ross whatever vs Judith. Almost starting to feel sorry for Cunners. Imagine the dinner table discussion. “Now darling, how was your day?”….. “heard that awful Larry Williams asking you so many impertinent questions. You did the right thing putting the phone down…..”

    Sorry 68…

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  204. OneTrack (2,822 comments) says:

    tdvm – “I wonder if cunners’ secret donors feel they’re getting their money’s worth.”

    Kim won’t be happy.

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  205. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  206. dad4justice (7,979 comments) says:

    “John Key has told more lies than any PM in living memory”

    Utter bullshit that vile snake Klarkula is the biggest lying PM this country has ever had to endure!

    Watch big bigot crawl out from its hole . 1,2,3,4…….

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  207. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    Poor memory is not just a Cunliffe problem – Key does not remember the 81 Springbok Tour

    To be fair, everyone has an opinion on the Springbok tour. John Key is simply bullshitting when he uses that line.

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  208. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    Did you ever get to the bottom of the LAX incident D4J?

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  209. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    “Have you got all night? John Key has told more lies than any PM in living memory.”
    Oh why don’t you list them for us.
    ( wanders off to make coffee)
    Then looks forward to impending demerits for off topic. 10 points a time. Bye troll.

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  210. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    Rubbish re the Springbok Tour, I was in Hamilton at the time with a 3 year old, I didn’t give a toss.

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  211. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    LMAO ya can tell the left are in shit when they start coming out with

    “but but but the springbok tour! umm there were umm springboks!”

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  212. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Hey Ross001

    Must be burning huh. Just like my sides from laughing at what an incompetent fool Cunliffe is. I mean seriously , is that the best Labour can do? It’s just the joke which keeps giving, and giving, and giving. And even funnier, you’re on here trolling away , trying to deflect. Just hilarious. Much like the Standard or Daily Blog. Wow, what a cesspit of denial.

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  213. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    I remember the 81 tour well. I remember feeling quite proud as the cops decided they would not allow low life scum from the left to take over the country.

    Plus, the footy was outstanding.

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  214. Sector 7g (237 comments) says:

    I have nothing to add. Just logged in to down tick Judith.

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  215. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “…..Cunliffe may argue that the letter was about immigration processes and written on a constituent’s behalf – something MPs frequently do – and therefore was not an endorsement of the application….”

    “…..written on a constituent’s behalf…”

    How the fuck do you get to become a constituent – without being a full citizen? That practice should be banned.

    If immigration needs so many ‘frequent letters’ on immigration processes from MP’s – and written on behalf of an applicant – then why don’t they just reform the fucken thing?

    All MP’s & public servants should be banned from immigration processes – outside of those who work in immigration.

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  216. MT_Tinman (3,054 comments) says:

    big bruv (12,718 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
    I remember the 81 tour well. I remember feeling quite proud as the cops decided they would not allow low life scum from the left to take over the country.

    Plus, the footy was outstanding.

    well it would have been had NZ fielded a fullback.

    I don’t down tick so am not one of the 75 – just add one to the final score :-)

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  217. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    “well it would have been had NZ fielded a fullback.”

    We fielded the best available. :)

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  218. big bruv (13,560 comments) says:

    I had to pop over to the sewer blogs and have a laugh at what they are saying.

    Both Bradbury and Iprent are spinning like crazy trying to divert attention anywhere else but onto the truth. Some of the deluded fools still think that Labour will win with or without Cuntliffe.

    As I said before, I am really enjoying this and cannot wait to see what tomorrow brings, hopefully more discomfort for Cuntliffe and more misery for the left.

    On a similar topic, I note that Whale has been hinting for weeks that he has a B52 full of crap to drop on somebody soon, I wonder is this story has stolen his thunder or if what he has coming is going to be even bigger, time will tell I guess but I do hope that the hits keep on a coming.

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  219. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    What are these lies? You need to list them.

    You did ask, and I can’t be fagged listing them but this names a few, the music is the best part, enjoy :-)

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  220. polemic (429 comments) says:

    And Judith is just rolling over to a new high of 80!!!to 4 not out

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  221. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    “Have you got all night? John Key has told more lies than any PM in living memory.”
    Oh why don’t you list them for us.

    Seeing as there’s at least 264 lies at last count, no I won’t list them because I don’t have all night. But you can read them here at your favourite website. :)

    http://tinyurl.com/p55y257

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf69eV2uiyE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWm0VwoVimk

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  222. srylands (392 comments) says:

    “Good news, National are afraid of David Cunliffe”

    “Personally I’m very encouraged by this attempted smear, it means National are worried about Cunliffe, their internal polling will be showing they are weak on issues that Labour can be strong on and they know that Cunliffe is the only member of caucus who can go toe to toe with Key.”

    When I first saw this title, I thought it was satire. But the author is serious.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/good-news-national-are-afraid-of-david-cunliffe/#comment-833461

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  223. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    David Garrett (5,830 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
    Why wud u bother to work out how to double vote Judith?

    So I could get double then enjoyment from ticking you down? :P

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  224. Zapper (967 comments) says:

    This is incredible. Judith often appears on Collins etc posts saying things like “saying Labour does it too is no defence”.

    And look at the lefties falling over themselves on this thread trying to justify something for which they’ve called for resignations on the other side for lesser offences. What complete muppets.

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  225. Hodor (38 comments) says:

    Nothing to add either just wanted to get Judith over the 80 down ticks mark. 80, lol!

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  226. ross001 (142 comments) says:

    I am really enjoying this and cannot wait to see what tomorrow brings

    Probably another lie by our illustrious PM if history is any guide. Why does John Key feel the need to tell porkies, and does he think he’s being a good role model to his kids?

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  227. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ polemic (336 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Yes, the word has gone out – I was even sent the email, thanks for that ‘sweetie’ – I’m touched. I’m honoured that you find me such a threat that you think if it goes high enough DPF will have reason to ban me! Enjoy your efforts – I guess if you silence all the opposition you can spend more time playing with each other (which would make a nice change from playing with yourself).

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  228. NK (1,138 comments) says:

    Hooten is already asking if Liu was even a constituent of Cuntliffe’s, a man with that much money is hardly going to be living in Grey Lynn.

    Cunliffe was the member for New Lynn, not Grey Lynn. And there is evidence in the letter itself (if you look hard enough) that Liu might well have been living in New Lynn at the time the letter was written.

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  229. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    It’d be fair to say that tonight is the night Judith jumped the shark while riding her high horse.

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  230. dishy (234 comments) says:

    The lose-bags who are trying to defend Cunliffe might like to consider their answers to this pair of questions:

    1) Have you ever been to Kuwait?

    2) Have you ever heard the song “Waterloo” while you are eating?

    Now with question no. 2, you probably won’t know or remember. You’ve heard the song “Waterloo” as many times as Cunliffe has advocated on behalf of constituents. And if you don’t remember, why would you say no? Saying no means you CAN remember.

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  231. polemic (429 comments) says:

    From Dear Leader,

    We have just given “good navigational advice” to the rest of the comrades.
    We are upgrading our subs to the new 2014 Cunnliffe Class with self destructing torpedoes…we are inviting over our NZ fiend friend Judith Eightyticks to christian our new Submarine .It will be unfloatable unsinkable!!….All stand and Clap

    North Korea’s official news agency reported that the multi-talented leader “taught” the submarine’s captain a “good method of navigation”.

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  232. Nostalgia-NZ (5,045 comments) says:

    Looking at the difference in the spelling of the name, Liu to Lui, and the time gap it may well be that Cunliffe didn’t recall a letter written 11 years ago. It seems to be 1 of 2 possibilities, a genuine non recollection, or a deliberate misleading statement. Because he is a lawyer, a politician in the thick of an election it is hard to credit that it would be the second because it would downright stupidity. But to this point who knows he may be that stupid. Looking at another event during the week he corrected himself about the possibility of sending troops to Iraq. In other words he’s showing the ability to recover from a blunder, if not the ability to use evasive political terms that can have at least 2 meanings. Whatever the case is, I doubt he’ll be going anywhere before the election as, has it has been pointed out, the ‘donation,’ or it’s non disclosure was not illegal at the time. Not only that but the die is cast, there is not chance of a change of leadership imo whether it is warranted or not, it seems clear that Cunliffe will lead Labour into the election and no doubt need to overcome more hiccups along the way as most likely will many of the political aspirants, along with all the parties, as well. Fairly interesting.

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  233. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    its a fool: It’s actually quite fun listening to you

    David Garrett, it’s quite fun seeing you twist my handle in new ways every day. How desperate are you?

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  234. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    And to answer the rest of your malakey… I’m not twisting and turning, I’m mearly playing devil’s advocate. There’s nothing worse than a bunch of navel gazers patting each other on the back. I like to keep them in check. Esp. when Williamson was caught out in the same way but it was all jumping up in arms to defend him.

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  235. Scott1 (481 comments) says:

    dishy,
    If only politicians had that level of integrity.
    The problem however is that the media would destroy such a politician.

    “ever stolen things?”
    “well I can’t remember much specific but…”

    Jamie White couldn’t even get away with his answer to an incest question.

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  236. kiwi in america (2,477 comments) says:

    I’m late to all the latest Cunliffe drama due to a v busy day. I watched the Cunliffe presser and he’s a man clearly under pressure. If you look at Cunliffe’s pattern it’s of sloppy workmanship, of making stuff up as he goes along and of grandstanding. It’s why he released a CV with errors and exaggerations. It’s why his fingerprints are all over the policy release and social media missteps because neither he nor his staff are prepared to do the careful hard yards research to get it right as they are only after a sound bite for a single news cycle – bumper sticker campaigning. So when he says he genuinely believed he had no contact with Liu I actually believe him. He’s shallow and facile enough to forget who he met earlier in the day and he has not surrounded himself with an inner circle of thorough people with acute political instincts like Clark managed with Heather Simpson. Say what you want about H1 and H2, they would never have made an unforced error like this. So this is in the cockup category versus a conspiracy or outright lies. What Cunliffe clearly fails to appreciate is that not having systems in place to check something like this so that your public statements are accurate is almost as bad as lying about it. It confirms that Cunliffe doesn’t concentrate, pay attention to detail (or has the foresight to have someone close to him that does). How can he be trusted to hold the most high pressure and complex job in the land as PM when he cannot even be trusted to properly research any and all contact he had with a Chinese donor whose interface with politicians had already claimed one Ministerial scalp!

    It has been hilarious watching Judith twist and turn. Despite her ‘plague on both your houses’ approach, she’s clearly a Labour sock puppet because her line has been to obfuscate on the Liu donation issue. THAT is the issue that has the potential to do Labour really lasting damage. Cunliffe eventually will be gone – I’m picking that no one in the caucus will want the poisoned chalice of taking the tarnished Labour brand into the campaign proper and will let Cunliffe sink with the ship. With Jones gone there is no Mike Moore equivalent to throw the Hail Mary pass to.

    Jared Savage has done a superb job with this investigation – surprising coming from the Herald. Labour set themselves up for this with the way they used Liu’s connection with Williamson to claim his scalp. If you live by that sword then you will die by that sword. Their crowing over Banks’ prosecution will also come back to haunt them because it is becoming increasingly clear (despite Judith’s “show me the proof” bleating) that Liu’s various donations to Labour have not been declared. I’m sure the indomitable and irritating Mr. McCready will be nowhere to be seen in court on this matter but I’m sure the Nats will find a willing party to bring a private prosecution in the likely event that the police steer clear.

    Internet Mana have the money to try and hoover up disaffected Labour voters and the Greens, for all their nutty policies, at least have the look of a stable and functioning opposition, will get some as well. This could be 2002 redux with Labour reduced to its low 20′s core and the left vote scattered into an even more unstable and weird looking hybrid. Middle NZ and floating voters will stick with the stability and economic strength embodied in the Key led National Party.

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  237. Than (440 comments) says:

    Their crowing over Banks’ prosecution will also come back to haunt them because it is becoming increasingly clear (despite Judith’s “show me the proof” bleating) that Liu’s various donations to Labour have not been declared. I’m sure the indomitable and irritating Mr. McCready will be nowhere to be seen in court on this matter but I’m sure the Nats will find a willing party to bring a private prosecution in the likely event that the police steer clear.

    Sadly Mr Edgeler has weighed in on this, and it is too late to prosecute Labour for failing to declare these donations. They will avoid any legal consequence, although they will still be tried in the court of public opinion.

    Still, the precedent set by the Banks case should have all politicians nervous. After being shamed by McCready’s success the police are now far more likely to prosecute future breaches. Even if they don’t activists on all sides know they can take a private prosecution. All parties will need to be very careful they are complying with the law, including the interpretations given by the electoral commission and parliamentary services. If Cunliffe does not start paying more attention to detail this could come back to bite him.

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  238. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    You guys are dreaming- Cunliffe is going to ‘hang around like Len Brown’!
    Lefties have no shame- just an endless sense of entitlement to taxpayer cash!

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  239. Dead Earnest (149 comments) says:

    The longer the better Longknives!

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  240. Tauhei Notts (1,650 comments) says:

    Kiwi In America;
    Thank you.
    It is posts like your’s that help make this the top blog on the Net.
    I hope you have a lovely day. You deserve it.

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  241. Yoza (1,678 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,408 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 3:16 am

    It has been hilarious watching Judith twist and turn. Despite her ‘plague on both your houses’ approach, she’s clearly a Labour sock puppet because her line has been to obfuscate on the Liu donation issue.

    News Flash! Labour is as corrupt as National!

    *yawn*

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  242. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    “Cunliffe was the member for New Lynn, not Grey Lynn. And there is evidence in the letter itself (if you look hard enough) that Liu might well have been living in New Lynn at the time the letter was written.”

    Just heard from Leighton Smith and he has checked Liu never lived in Cunliffe’s electorate. The funny thing is that neither did Cunliffe.

    Cunliffe said in his letter that he was approached by his constituent Liu. I would certainly take Leighton’s word ahead of Cunliffe.

    By saying he was approached he is at the very least implying that he met Liu.

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