General Debate 21 June 2014

June 21st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    On The Panel….. Ie elite (le Bullshit)?

    Jim Moira”

    Would you like to know more about the family quota? We have some figures from the ministry, it seems we get 50 to 60% skillied (or investor or whatever), but we still get a lot of family members. But does that matter?”

    Gareth Kiernan

    I guess I don’t have a big issue with that. I’ve looked at that parent quota and it’s looking like 1% of arrivals in the current year therin so it’s come back a bit over the last 2 to 3 years. It was 5% but it looks like within that they’re cutting back.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/20140619

    2013/2014
    Family Parent Tier 1 5152
    Family Parent Tier 2 1
    Family parent 59
    Parent Retirement 48
    Total 5260
    Arrivals 2013/14 44,854 =11.7%
    Long Term Skill Shortage List Occupation 1,809
    Religious workers 488
    http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/statistics/
    http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/C8FC1AEE-7147-44C8-A56F-E030CBEF8E3F/0/R7ResidenceApplicationsAccepted.zip

    “To qualify for New Zealand superannuation you must have lived in New Zealand for at least 10 years since you turned 20. Five of these years must be since you turned 50.

    New Zealand has social security agreements with Australia, Canada, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Jersey/Guernsey, The Netherlands and The United Kingdom. “

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  2. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    The joys of multiculturalism and the vile influence of the religion of peace:
    School health services in the small Swedish city of Norrköping have found 60 cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) among schoolgirls since March, with evidence of mutilation found in all 30 girls in one class, 28 of the most severe form.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/20/Female-genital-mutilation-in-Sweden-all-30-girls-in-one-class-cut

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  3. Yvette (2,845 comments) says:

    And it will get worse for Labour when the rumoured $300k issue emerges.
    – Matthew Hooton
    http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/entities/#comment-112536

    The amounts donated to Labour that National are aware of add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.
    Hundreds of thousands of undeclared financial support from one man: Donghua Liu.
    Call it a smear campaign all you like, but all it is doing is highlighting that Labour have been running a party on hidden cash for some years.  (this is a fact, not a smear)
    – Cameron Slater
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labour-desperation/#more-141310

    It was The Herald who happened to out the Cunliffe letter
    I wonder who will drop the next bomb, and when?

    …it isn’t a bomb, it is squadron of B-52s and the carpet bombing will commence when I am good and ready. Unlike Kim Dotcom, I don’t bluff.

    Oh, merde – that is Cameron on Dotcom.
    But I was wondering about Labour and the next nail in the lid of Cunloffin :-)

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  4. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    How’s that integration , peace and tolerance thingey going?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663558/ISIS-releases-chilling-recruitment-video-featuring-young-British-men.html

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  5. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Good morning all, good morning David,

    If you are interested in freedom of the internet – and schooling [public vs charter] – then this link will describe to you how US public schools are EXACTLY the same as Nth Korean ones!!

    “…….And other findings: Christianity.com was blocked, as was the Vatican’s site — but not Islam-guide.com, he said……”

    It’s disturbing to say the least when you swap Labour with Dems, Nats with Reps – as the ALLOWED websites!!!! :

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/student_protests_school_blocking_conservative_websites_but_not_liberal_ones.html

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  6. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Religion gives people a motive. Not everyone becomes a jihadist but we don’t all rape either.

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  7. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Hundreds of thousands of undeclared financial support from one man: Donghua Liu.

    You and your family need to be of good character to be approved residence under the Investor
    (Investor 2 Category).

    – Every person included in your application aged 17 years and over
    must provide police certificates from:

    their country(ies) of citizenship (unless they can provide satisfactory evidence to an immigration
    officer that a police certificate is either not available or is unduly difficult to obtain

    all countries in which they have lived for 12 months or more in the last 10 years, including countries where their stay has been broken by short departures.

    http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/0A98CC3B-AD6B-41D3-8526-99F7DA9F71AF/0/INZ116430July2012.pdf

    Bad stuff goin down in Aotearoa?

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  8. duggledog (1,582 comments) says:

    Yesterday in the Herald –

    Two Whangarei wahines beating the snot out of each other (one pregnant) at a rugby game

    A Maori Whangarei caregiver gets prison for sexual molestation & rape of kids in his ‘care’

    Heard a few people discussing the latest case of a toddler being murdered by its father or stepfather and then assuming the ethnicity involved. Made me feel sick.

    When they broke the story of the findings of Owen Glenn’s child abuse caper they said it was going to be shocking. I assumed one of the major conclusions would be that Maori have a propensity for violence especially towards children. It wasn’t. It was simply ‘us’.

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  9. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    The ISIS rebels seize Saddam’s WMD stockpile outside Baghdad.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10913275/Isis-storms-Saddam-era-chemical-weapons-complex-in-Iraq.html

    Ah, so they DO exist after all.

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  10. duggledog (1,582 comments) says:

    Isaac Davidson’s article in the NZ Herald ‘Kiwi’s don’t care about anything – John Key':

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278412

    John Key should sue this guy. I think he’s treading on very thin ice. He’s put together all the things the PM has said off the cuff over the years in regard to what New Zealanders are or aren’t concerned about and extrapolated heavily to make the headline that Key thinks we don’t care about anything.

    It may well be true, by and large I don’t think kiwis give a f*** about anything bar rugby which is why their country is slowly slipping away underneath them, but Davidson has put words in the PM’s mouth. Unfortunately if JK was to do a Colin Craig and object, he’s caught in a ‘are you still beating your wife’ type charade.

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  11. Paulus (2,658 comments) says:

    Saddam’s WMD were shipped to Syria overland at the start of the Gulf War so Bush could be accused of lying, assume they now being returned – or what is left of them.

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  12. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    Not interested in World Cup? Scroll now.
    Uruguay, Italy, England, and Costa Rica – Costa Rica first through. Didn’t see that coming.

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  13. Viking2 (11,553 comments) says:

    Looking back up this thread today is there anything nice happening in your world?

    Well Face book seems to be down again.
    We will have mayhem in the streets and lots of depressed people. Oh dam.

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  14. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Manolo #

    Thanks for posting that – I’ve said often before that the Australian Federal Police now where in Indonesia that Australian and kiwi girls get taken to to have there ‘excitable bit’ cut off [it varies in amount removed].

    I know it’s a hard issue with the threat of terrorism ect but it has to come out if smacking is to be frowned upon. MORESO with the law they passed ONLY YESTERDAY!!!!

    A restriction on NZ child passports would ‘maybe’ be a good start – and foreign child passports handed in when immigrating to NZ. But the problem with that is no muslim child can leave till they are of legal age – which then ain’t going to happen.

    It’s about putting pressure on the countries themselves – but that ain’t going to happen either, unless there is a social move towards it – as no government will raise the issue without it.

    It’s up to the feminists and Christians — it’ll be the Christians —— as the moderate Muslims have far more time for us.

    Viva diversity! :cool:

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  15. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    V2, wow, I’ve never seen Facebook down before. Strange.
    I better facebook that and…oh, wait….

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  16. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Fletch ,you again are posting highly misleading information re the alleged WMDs falling into the hands of ISIS militants.First the acronym  is never mentioned  in your link and secondly the so called stockpile is in fact the remnants of Sadaam’s manufacturing facilities largely dismantled by US forces 2003-2009.
    Typically again you fail to mention the role the  Reagan administration played in help  establishing the very  same  facility when the US backed Sadaam and Iraq in their war  against Iran in the 1980s.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html

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  17. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    National thinks prudent use of taxpayers money is funding rich guys racing boats whose CEO makes $2m a year (probably in the top 10 salaries in NZ).

    Good to know.

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  18. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    happy birthday to me ;-}

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  19. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    Happy Birthday jaba

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  20. Simon (758 comments) says:

    “Typically again you fail to mention the role the State played in help establishing the very same facility when the State backed Sadaam and Iraq in their war against Iran in the 1980s.”

    But you love the State stephieclown.

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  21. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See the left rallying to support “Tojo”, leader of the party of perverts, paedophiles, leeches, deviants and losers. TVNZ showing the condescending arsehole putting on a birthday party for an old lady (maybe that is his forte), left-wing wimpy cartoonist Scott trying to make light of the fact “Tojo” is a know liar and charlatan, etc., etc. How long must we endure these media leeches trying to push the left’s agenda, even dumbarse Norman was having a go re partial sell-down costs . . . he should know, between the Greens and mumblefuck they stuffed things up real bad for the whole country. They are effen treasonous mongrels. Another person once respected, Kevin Milne, has also become a preacher for the left-wing scum . . . goodbye any programme he is involved in.

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  22. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Happy Birthday Jabba. Have a good weekend.

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  23. Jack5 (5,145 comments) says:

    Another branch of the legal system moves to extend control. This time they want to intrude between doctors and patients.

    Coroners once just decided cause of death, then they started lecturing and lecturing, and now they are moving into areas that should be politically decided.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10184616/Deadly-secrets-could-be-exposed

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  24. Jack5 (5,145 comments) says:

    Happy birthday jaba (9.17 post), and happy grizzle day to igm (9.23).

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  25. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Simon, in editing my post you were not by chance alluding to some kind of Liberatrain idiocy.?
    Otherwise clarify please.?
    Otherwise quite bizarre.!

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  26. Jack5 (5,145 comments) says:

    Do you feel a long series of claims for handouts coming with the pardon of a Maori hanged for the brutal murder and cannibalism of a missionary in 1865?

    But the whanau might want the pardon to go further and remove the stigma that had burdened his family for generations. Mrs Bidois said there was a history of suicide among male descendants of the Arawa chief. “It’s hard to undo the shame which his whanau has felt,” she said.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278442

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  27. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    Why not a bullet, instead?
    A convicted paedophile who sadistically tortured and chained one of his victims in a cupboard will be paroled in a matter of weeks.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8863240/paedophile-poses-risk-out-of-prison-judge

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  28. Sofia (862 comments) says:

    Plenty of claims of undeclared donations, secret funds and lies now surround Labour.

    Time for some complaints to the SFO or at the least the Police for an investigation into undeclared donations to the Labour party and the filing of false electoral returns.
    Someone will crack and the truth will come out.
    Undeclared donations are no longer donations…they are bribes, graft and corruption.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/donated-labour-records-time-sfo/#more-141377

    But of course this could cause a quandary for some.
    Like cuckoo magpie Penny, Corruption Watchdog, who if she got stuck into this one, could help ruin Labour’s position enough that it may aid her hated fixation, John Key and National win the Election.
    Eh, Penny – this possible fraud could be more fun than John Banks, but the run-on effect could be bit of a bugger

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  29. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    Miss Dim is keeping a very low profile these days. The question: is she on Kim DotCom’s payroll?

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  30. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    IT will be interesting to learn who killed Blessie as protestors were out with signs “Shame on the Justice System”?
    27 years old, Maori, “quite good looking”?

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  31. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    Penny needs to get her teeth into this latest Labour donation scandal….

    Far bigger than the Banks fiasco by far !~

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  32. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Under the bonnet of NZ First
    O.K so we have people but what we need is argument. There is a void in politics for NZ First but it isn’t being filled. Winston is preaching to the converted but not getting to a wider audience. The problem is that immigration, multiculturalism, globalisation type issues belong in a high-level arena (economics, statistics, evolutionary psychology, natural sciences). National, Labour and Green have (mainly) more educated candidates who can put out an essay. Until NZ First can up it’s act it wont get anywhere.
    Politics needs a site like wikipedia that does an analysis with free entry to all sides (space for side by side arguments). This would help circumvent the dominance of a political elite.
    Politics needs reform we can’t rely on the media or the politicians.

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  33. Yvette (2,845 comments) says:

    At what point will Labour tip over?
    This Election seems to be a repeat of the last –
    Trying to convince voters to support a Leader who will be replaced straight after they loose the Election.
    And while any new replacement now may better Labour’s status but not win, he or she will also go down the gurgler post-Election.

    So while Grant Robinson says silly krap like “David will have three or four terms as Prime Minister, then I may have a turn” he knows Cunliffe is gone post-Election, and his turn as Leader may come much sooner. But of course he doesn’t want it yet.

    What he does need to consider though, is that Cunliffe meanwhile may bring Labour so low, and the Election defeat be so devastating, that the job Grant wants after September may go down the toilet with the whole Party. “Keep your powder dry, Grant” may then be a waste of time.

    Ha, it is a little like Global Warming :-) You think it may be going one way, but when will there be enough krap up there, to it turn to a Nuclear Winter?
    However the demise of Labour should come sooner
    And Grant may not get much of a turn at the post-Election job he is saving himself for.

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  34. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Politics needs reform we can’t rely on the media or the politicians.

    EXACTLY !!

    So who can we rely on? Who is there that doesn’t have a commercial interest in the process that could initiate and guide the process? There in lies the problem.

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  35. dirty harry (513 comments) says:

    “It’s hard to undo the shame which his whanau has felt,” she said.

    Code..:” a nice fat cheque from you dumb arse white mo/fo’s should do the trick tank you vedy much “

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  36. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    D2:
    A Proposal For The Improvement of Democracy

    (preliminary draft)

    Let’s consider an improved form of Democracy. Let’s call this new, improved Democracy D2 and the current form we can call D1.

    D1 has not evolved with the realities of the world, and therefore is sorely lacking in its design of a “government of the people, by the people, for the people”. Our current form of Democracy was established well over 200 years ago, long before the modern miracles of electronic communications such as radio, telephone, television, computers, internet, email, bio-informatics, encryption, and so on. In those olden days, Democracy (D1) had us vote for “representatives” of the local communities and states to physically meet with each other in the same room to discuss and agree on compromises and establish laws that would be in the best interests of the nation, the states, and the local communities. The representatives were necessary because all of the rest of us normal people were too busy with our farms, jobs, and families to be in those far away central government places to debate each and every issue and to vote on the bills as they came up. This scheme essentially places the Fox inside the hen house.

    D2 is essentially the same concept, except that the Fox is removed from the system completely. We get to vote directly on any or all laws we want, any time we want, simply by using the currently available technology (website/email/telephone, etc).
    / /
    Imagine: if instead of representatives who owned our vote for everything for several years, we could vote, or not, based on the feedback we could get on the internet from distinguished writers, college professors, business people, and lots of other people just like us (in discussion forums, blogs, etc.). And we could make up our own minds as to whether these people had their own self interest involved in their point of view. If it was subsequently learned that a deal had been done out of self interest, we could reverse our vote on that same issue. Corruption would be dramatically reduced. Government would be much more responsive. Billions could be saved, and put to better use. People would be empowered as never before in History.

    http://www.michaelmccafferty.com/DemocracyProposal.htm

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  37. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    ” In relation to the usage of media political communication has suffered dramatic changes in the last few decades. More and more contemporary democracies are becoming “media-centered democracy” (Swanson and Mancini 1996: 248). Also, incredible level of growth in the supply of political information corresponds closely to the tremendous, almost exponential growth, for usage of the television and internet in last two decades (Ohr 2011:13). Consequently, we can say that media belongs to the group of primary sources of information.”
    http://www.openmontenegro.eu/2012/03/26/ways-to-improve-representative-democracy/

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  38. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Bomber Sensitive and Inexperienced
    My comment at The Daily Blog responding to a section of one of Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury’s post got moderated out. That does rather reinforce what my comment said. So I will simply repeat it here. The political scene is a very bad place to have as sensitive ego in as Bomber has. Most people involved around the political scene will have different opinions and they usually aren’t hesitant in expressing them. It appears that young Bomber lacks the backbone to withstand that diversity without having a fit of pique.
    ………….
    Lprent bipolar (or something)? Lacks insight into self?
    http://thestandard.org.nz/bomber-a-sensitive-and-inexperienced-political-prima-donna/

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  39. Gulag1917 (982 comments) says:

    Geopolitical idiots;
    Indications that the U.S. Is Planning a Nuclear Attack Against Russia
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/indications-u-s-planning-nuclear-attack-russia.html

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  40. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Any IT nerds out there answer me this?

    I have a samsung S3, went thru a recent update and now..

    If I delete an email from the top of my inbox a few minutes later I get a notification that email has arrived and the oldest email in my inbox will show as being unread.

    WTF do I do?

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  41. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    It is not getting any better for the leader of the socialists in the UK:
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/20/ed-miliband-must-go-lose-election-labour-frontbencher

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  42. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    JERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

    The officials said dozens of ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

    The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/

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  43. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The joys of multiculturalism and the vile influence of the religion of peace:

    Why don’t you slander Islam some more Manolo? Devil, from diablos, means slanderer.

    The Muslim Council of Britain: Barbaric practice of FGM is un-Islamic
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/the-muslim-council-of-britain-barbaric-practice-of-fgm-is-unislamic-9551258.html

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  44. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    NZ welcomed back to spy network

    New Zealand was “reintegrated” into the controversial Five Eyes intelligence network only five years ago, America’s top spy agency has revealed.

    Responding to questions from Fairfax during Prime Minister John Key’s trip to New York and Washington, the office of the Director of National Intelligence confirmed New Zealand was welcomed back into the fold in 2009 after a “2 decade absence”.

    Pffffffff. What a joke. I hardly believe we’ve been absent from Five eyes for that many years…if any.

    Anyway, the next item on the agenda is nuclear ships. Should have them back in the future. Means a lot of money from servicemen we have already lost to the tune of billions. Only with the return of nuclear/war ships could we say our economy and deficits will bounce back. This is the only guage we have our economy is not being sabotaged by our leaders.

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  45. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    President Obama plans New Zealand visit

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10184946/President-Obama-plans-New-Zealand-visit

    This is a sure sign nuclear/warships are coming back

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  46. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Visit by Obama.? This will get Manolo,Fletch, Ed Snack etc out with their waling costumes and ashes, and their mass mlvement of ten or so converging on Parliament in protest.!
    They’ll no doubt call on Kylie Chapman for reinforcements.!

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  47. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    Obama says we’re the closest ever?

    Bullshit.

    1941.

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  48. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, agains posts misinformation and further deceit from Erik Rush of to the right of Fox News , World Net Daily.
    Rush’s competly ignores the fact that his links to the Guardian etc show the rebels were in fact been trained to fight extreme right insurgents like the ISIS.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-claims-obama-training-isis-fighters

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  49. Gulag1917 (982 comments) says:

    The logic that the American Christian Right fails to get.

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  50. doggone7 (818 comments) says:

    hj: “IT will be interesting to learn who killed Blessie…”

    I know who the person who appeared in court charged in relation to this. I do not understand why he has name suppression.

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  51. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    “Miss Dim is keeping a very low profile these days. The question: is she on Kim DotCom’s payroll?”

    Nah. She too far removed from any substantial doors. Probably barred from Lens door.

    The Labour Entity Non Sensical blames the Bright one for being too far left on the shoulder.

    Curiously, that should give him room to over take. Trying to look safe on the road but really weary of speed camera’s pinging his purse.

    Spending would have protected his image the first time. But he thought, “nah. I can’t be shamed by anything. Especially in front of ding bat Aucklanders”

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  52. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “The logic that the American Christian Right fails to get.”

    What garbage.

    If you think that posturing pompous dialogue doesn’t have a strong counter argument to neutralise it then I suggest you book yourself in for a brain scan. Don’t be surprised if they can’t find one.

    Lange was a puppet of Soviet Russia and his decision to ban US nuclear ships was a cowardly and disgusting betrayal of the ANZUS alliance.

    He was just socialist/ soviet scum.

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  53. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    “A convicted paedophile who sadistically tortured and chained one of his victims in a cupboard will be paroled in a matter of weeks.”

    This is the system taunting th epublic to demand the death sentence. When the public gets it’s emotive way in a decade or sooner, the even larger disposessed will be starring at the ropes. Hamilton homeless already being arrested.

    For NO fault of their own but an over crowdwd job market where employers state ‘let them eat cake’. While they recruit from overseas.

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  54. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    I note with utter dismay that our courts have allowed name suppression on the parents (and the entire family) of the scum who killed the shopkeeper in Henderson.

    It appears that we are never to find out the names of this feral Maori family, why would that be?

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  55. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    I was embarrassed this morning to hear news coverage of President Obama praising NZ and its Prime Minister for their support in the global climate change effort (these are my paraphrase words, not a direct quote from the President).

    A country that contributes about 0.2% of world carbon dioxide emissions should not be seen to associate itself too closely on this issue with a country – even a friendly one – that is one of the world’s major industrial powers and emitters. There are many aspects of the science and extent of climate change that remain to be resolved and, until they are, NZ needs to keep an open mind on all its relevant policies (including internal tax implications).

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  56. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    ‘Lange was a puppet of Soviet Russia’
    Sometimes Reddy surpasses himself. LOL at that one.

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  57. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    calender girl#

    Abbott was in Canada and it was all over America that he is building a coalition to stop climate tax. With Canada, Australia, UK, India and NZ. He is a good friend of Harper the Canadian PM – from uni days. Harper hates carbon tax as well.

    Then he went to the White House – and Obama had to ASK him to put climate change on the G20 programme for Brisbane in Oct.

    Obama is using Key to divide them as NZ already has a carbon tax.

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  58. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “The US president, Barack Obama, has praised New Zealand prime minister John Key as a key ally in his crusade to tackle climate change.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/21/barack-obama-praises-kiwi-prime-minister-as-climate-change-ally

    What a gutless useless prick Key is. Wish we could swap him for Tony Abbot.

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  59. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Nice try ‘BOYolo’ – keep going….. I have never received and would never accept any donations from Kim Dotcom. I have been to his mansion – as a ‘process server’ to deliver the witness summonses which resulted in Kim Dotcom & Wayne Tempero appearing in Court to give evidence pre-trial. (Also delivered the witness summonses which got Kim Dotcoms lawyer Greg Tower, & Sky City CEO Nigel Morrison to Court). The rest, as they say, is history? http://www.dodgyjohnHASgone.com ? First John Banks – then John Key? That’s my next little project – as I stand in Helensville against NZs first U$A Prime Minister – ex Wall St banker John Key. So naturally I expect the lies and defamatory attacks to continue – ‘you don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target….Kind regards, Penny Bright :)

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  60. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    Thanks for that background Harriet. It fits with my own feeling that NZ was being led by the nose on this issue.

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  61. ross411 (865 comments) says:

    big bruv (12,754 comments) says:
    June 21st, 2014 at 3:37 pm
    I note with utter dismay that our courts have allowed name suppression on the parents (and the entire family) of the scum who killed the shopkeeper in Henderson.

    It appears that we are never to find out the names of this feral Maori family, why would that be?

    Do not question the master race, they will not be named if they do to you what they did to him.

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  62. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    For once you are right, dear stephie: a visit by your Messiah should be opposed. He is neither wanted nor welcomed here.

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  63. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    Key’s grovelling to the Kenyan on AGW is embarrassing. Labour Lite’s greedy paws are looking for new ways to extract money, as they did with the ETS tax.

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  64. ross411 (865 comments) says:

    Manolo (13,043 comments) says:
    June 21st, 2014 at 9:42 am
    Why not a bullet, instead?
    A convicted paedophile who sadistically tortured and chained one of his victims in a cupboard will be paroled in a matter of weeks.

    I believe this kiwiblog post from the other day, on the guilty until proven innocent recommendation, will give a good reason why not.. The comments on that were along the lines of female partners accusing the male partners of things to get custody of the kids and whatever else.

    Wait until your crazy vindictive partner accuses you of something like this which is abhorred and which the death penalty or gelding or whatever has been attached to it, and you get jailed and killed. Then several years layer, she accuses another later ex-partner who happens to have the evidence to prove he is innocent which infers you were given the hard shrift, first by her, then by your fellow inmates before you were executed.

    What do we say then about you? Poor manolo had to take one for the team.. got to break a few eggs to make an omelette? The worst part is that if you go to feminist forums on the internet, they tend to think that this is the way it should be! A few good men should take a few hits for the bad ones to get what’s coming..

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  65. Gulag1917 (982 comments) says:

    The Christian Right as represented by the likes of John Hagee [chief warmonger} does not do Christianity much service at all. Obsessed with Israel as being the Promised Land, Premillennialism and dispensationalism are key components of their belief which compared with other theological interpretations and agreements throughout the history of Christianity is basically heresy.The Christian Right are more American than Christian. The Christian Right will be viewing Russia as Gog a Biblical term which is open to different interpretations.
    Guess the reason for numerous Christians in NZ not wishing to associate with the Christian Right of the US is they have not got a brain. Got any medical evidence?

    “The popularity of this theory during the Cold War can be seen in that it was openly advocated in 1971 by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan. During a dinner address to state legislators Reagan said “Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn’t seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog

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  66. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    Penny

    ” I have never received and would never accept any donations from Kim Dotcom”

    Surprisingly, I will take you at your word. Now, have you ever been, or are you currently, on the payroll of Mr Dotcon?

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  67. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “…..Thanks for that background Harriet. It fits with my own feeling that NZ was being led by the nose on this issue….”

    On evidence – climate change so far is only an opinion.

    Anyway, I think it’s a case of both sides trying to lead Key.

    Key won’t say too much as it is/was too much of a political matter in OZ – which Abbott won the election on. Doing favours for Obama when he is very questionable – would not be a good look. It’s a domestic matter anyway, as you DON’T have to trade carbon credits under any international agreement – TPP ect.

    As Mr Abbott seems to be expressing to the public:

    There are plenty of other ways to prevent so called climate change – the Greens are telling us something new every week – the markets will then just pick and choose which idea/products/service they need where the science backs up by what it produces in less carbon. Science doesn’t back up climate change itself – it only backs up the products we produce. Climate change so far is only an opinion.Products are real.

    Carbon tax is just another layer of tax on every product – and simply differs from GST – in that you can trade in the tax itself on an international market scale.

    It’s the Greens out gambling on international markets with a product that science doesn’t back up. It’s just a tax – as Mr Abbott has won the election on.

    Tax payers won’t ever allow governments or business gambling with tax income – based on an opinion of which science doesn’t back up – especially the LEFT doing it – imagine the leverage they’ed use couertsy of Wall Street!!

    Money talks – Obama will lose.

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  68. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Manolo , opposed to a visit by Obama.? What you and the demented and crazed Redbaiter.?
    Who else exactly apart from the usual Birther nutjkbbers that infest the Con Party and RWR..?

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  69. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Glorious victory to Wainui today milkey! :)

    Your semi-Catholics just scraped in as well I see.

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  70. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Still on top, Johnboy

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  71. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    And riding it like a cow girl milky! :)

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  72. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    bb must be depressed milkey, so we shouldn’t gloat! :)

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  73. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Grant Dalton’s $ 2 million salary package for the foundering Team N Z.One of the better paid of our civil servants and is it also another case of sociialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor..?
    Didn’t Dean Barker point the finger ar his boss for letting the team down as unfit at the grinding job.?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278576

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  74. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    What’s his team?

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  75. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Mighty Orie’s (as he calls them) I think. The other branch of your religion did for them today! :)

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  76. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    stephieboy – “Visit by Obama.? This will get Manolo,Fletch, Ed Snack etc out with their waling costumes and ashes, and their mass mlvement of ten or so converging on Parliament in protest.!”

    This will get Cunliffe out as well. Wah, wah, wah. John Keys getting more time with the Messiah. I should get the same. Look I can hold a golf club too. It’s not fair.

    Meanwhile Russel will be out with his nuclear-free flag, demanding a meeting too, so he can tell Obama off over “kiwis” getting killed in drone strikes.

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  77. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Still, it’s cquite an even comp so far, apart from the unbeaten teams at the top, of course.

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  78. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Are you guys still one point ahead then milkey?

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  79. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    OneTrack, I take you’ll be joining Fletch , Manolo,Redbaiter etc in their ranting and wailing with the sack cloths and ashes.?
    Colin Craig could even chip in donating the sack cloths and ashes.!

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  80. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Johnboy
    I think it’s even at the top coz Wainui have a couple of bonus points.
    Correction: you guys are shown as losing today – is that right?

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  81. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “……This will get Cunliffe out as well….Wah, wah, wah. John Keys getting more time with the Messiah…….Meanwhile Russel will be out with his nuclear-free flag…..”

    And Laila…..asking about DotCom.

    I can’t see Obama coming.

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  82. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    And we’re a secular team as well milkey! :)

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  83. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    23 Wainui/16 OBU I heard milkey. Bastard anti-Wainuiomartian conspiracy wonks at it again I suspect! :)

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  84. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    WRFU website shows it the other way around, Johnboy.

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  85. Komata (1,196 comments) says:

    Ah Penelope

    Thank you for returning.

    Re: ‘First John Banks – then John Key? That’s my next little project – as I stand in Helensville against NZs first U$A Prime Minister – ex Wall St banker John Key’.

    But m’dear, what about the Labour Party CORRUPTION; the one involving Messers. Cunnliffe and Liu, the one that everyone is talking about, and the one, that you will of course have been reading-about since you arrived back in New Zealand from your ‘Anti-Corruption’ conference in Brisbane?

    As an ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGNER of long standing, especially one who has just returned from an ‘Anti Corruption Conference’ , surely you are MORALLY required and obliged to investigate this matter? You have, after all, been regaling us with your endeavours in this field, for quite a considerable time

    Or is it that you won’t investigate because it involves the New Zealand Labour Party?

    Your silence on this matter, where usually you are so vociferous in your condemnation of ‘Corruption’ does make one wonder…

    So, and so that absolutely everyone who reads Kiwiblog knows exactly where you stand on this matter, a question:

    Are you, Penelope Bright, publicly self-proclaimed and promoted ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGNER going to mount a campaign to investigate and bring to justice Messers. Cunnliffe and Liu?

    And if not, why not?

    As you can appreciate Penelope, because of the urgent need for an investigation into this sordid case of political corruption, involving as it does a major political figure ( a party leader no less), an early reply would be appreciated and if none is forthcoming Kiwiblog readers will, of course, draw their own conclusions…

    Your reply is awaited, and don’t forget, your reputation as an ‘ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGNER’ is at stake…

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  86. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Thanks Komata,

    KB commentators will now be a very loud vocal support group for Penny – in her anti-corruption fight against Cunliffe. :cool:

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  87. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    HOBM 12 and no daylight behind the Rams on 11.

    The bastard, who put his car headlights on as it darkened near the end so the HOBM team knew where the try line was, has been identified and lynched.

    And every team in the comp now knows the sort of playing conditions they do not want when they play last years champs Tawa.

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  88. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    So Grant Dalton has been paying himself a two million dollar salary with our taxpayer cash….
    As Johnny Rotten said- Ever get the feeling you are being cheated??

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  89. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    And he was only useful as ballast last time he got on board Longknives! :)

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  90. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    Can’t wait for the nuclear warships to visit our ports.

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  91. Griff (8,159 comments) says:

    On evidence – climate change so far is only an opinion

    :lol:
    yip the opinion of every major scientific body in the world says its real

    Canada has carbon tax in Quebec British Columbia and Alberta:

    China and the UK just signed this
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/320665/UK_PRC_Joint_Climate_Change_Statement.pdf

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and thePeople's Republic of China recognise the threat of dangerous climatechange as one of the greatest global challenges we face. The publication ofthe Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on ClimateChangeconfirms that climate change is already happening, much of it as a
    result of human activity.The odds of extreme weather events, whichthreaten lives and property, have increased.
    Sea levels are rising, and iceis melting faster than we expected.The IPCC’s report makes clear that
    unless we act now the impacts of climate change will worsen in comingdecades. In addition, the burning of fossil fuels createsserious air pollution,affecting quality of life for millionsBothsides recognise that climatechange and air pollution share many of the same root causes, as well asmany of the same solutions. This constitutes an urgent call to action

    Harry you are an idiot who doesn’t now his arse from shit.
    calender girl must be as thick as you to take your word for anything.

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  92. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Well I listened to 1503 khz milkey and they said a win to Wainui?

    Perhaps I should hie me to a resthome if you are correct….post the WRFU link you looked at! :)

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  93. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “Can’t wait for the nuclear warships to visit our ports.”

    That’s only so you can chat up all the sailors Dad! :)

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  94. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    I have not checked out who the ref was in the Mighty Ories game but I would bet he is a fucking Catholic.

    On another subject, has anybody seen Penny since I asked her if she is on Dotcon’s payroll?

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  95. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Johnboy
    Check it out at http://www.wrfu.co.nz

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  96. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    She may have joined a Holy Order bb! :)

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  97. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    “That’s only so you can chat up all the sailors Dad”

    I would like a chat with that Grant Dalton prick. $2 million a year the taxpayer forks out for this parasitic scum. F##king disgusting. The money is a total waste.

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  98. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Yeah milkey.. it says Wainui 23/OBU 16 but the standings look weird I must admit?

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  99. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    D4J

    Are you now threatening Grant Dalton?

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  100. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    Oh gawd here we go again. Get help big bigot you snake. You are one very disturbed creep. Last word to you mental one.

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  101. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    And all the sailors in the US Navy! :)

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  102. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Doesn’t look weird to me to have HOB on top, Johnboy.

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  103. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    dad – “Can’t wait for the nuclear warships to visit our ports”

    You just want to see Russel and Metiria sharing an inflatable dinghy and waving a nuclear free flag out on the harbour. In a twenty knot south westerly.

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  104. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    There is no such team as HOB milkey.

    They sold their souls to the Marist Brothers many years ago! :)

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  105. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Keep religion, like politics, out of rugby, JB

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  106. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    I asked a reasonable question D4J, from what you said it sounded like you wanted to bash Grant Dalton.

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  107. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    From your rancour I bet you’ve never been shouted by a Priest at the clubrooms then milkey? :)

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  108. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    “You just want to see Russel and Metiria sharing an inflatable dinghy and waving a nuclear free flag out on the harbour. In a twenty knot south westerly”

    OneTrack – Russel is that thin and frail he would get blown away before fatty Metiria sunk the dinghy :-)

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  109. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    There’s room for hope that he hasn’t been offered a massage behind the changing sheds either JB. :)

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  110. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    Anyway.

    COME ON ENGLAND!!!

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  111. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “COME ON ENGLAND!!!”

    I’d rather have a wank on all those Brazilian sheilas big Latina arse’s bb! :)

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  112. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Glenn Green, NZ’s most prolific stalker, to appear back in court in August. Who would have thought?

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  113. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    The NZ team do look ridiculous doing the rain dance but for some reason the white guys just look plain fucking stupid.

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  114. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    Oh shut up traitor. Great try All Blacks.

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  115. Sofia (862 comments) says:

    KomataAh Penelope … what about the Labour Party CORRUPTION; the one involving Messers. Cunnliffe and Liu, the one that everyone is talking about, and the one, that you will of course have been reading-about since you arrived back in New Zealand from your ‘Anti-Corruption’ conference in Brisbane?

    publicwatchdogFirst John Banks – then John Key? That’s my next little project – as I stand in Helensville against NZs first U$A Prime Minister – ex Wall St banker John Key.

    You see, Komata? Not all corruption is equal and the corruption you talk of, if taken to court and rammed home more than voters already see it, could further disadvantage David Cunliffe, and in turn enhance Prime Minister John Key and National’s advantage this Election.
    So, sorry! Penny Bright Anti-Corruption Crusader and Watchdog, fresh back from Brisbane, will turn her back on Cunliffe’s corruption just because it could help John Key.

    Regrettably it would seem this is a case where one’s individual beliefs can conflict with the same individual’s obsessions, with a sad result of cognitive dissonance, and a mental conflict undesired in Parliamentary candidates, although quite a large number of nutbars do make it through into the House. :-)

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  116. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    This gives the score as Wainui 23 OBU 16 and then states the 16 points scored by OBU to various players – and thus is more credible

    http://www.clubrugby.co.nz/wellington/games-results.php

    The official WRU link here says OBU 23 Wainui 16 (click go and the results are displayed) – but seems to be wrong.

    http://draws.nzrugby.co.nz/competitions/Fixtures.aspx?Provincial=2431&Name=Wellington%20RFU

    And now it has been corrected.

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  117. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You can see how the armed forces have trouble recruiting any one with more than half a brain bb! :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/10181087/Ohakea-upgrade-complete

    Glad to see they only get the other ranks to do the dancing! :)

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  118. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Some smart-arse Uni fellow has hacked the site just so milkey could get his rocks off SPC! :)

    And who’s at the top of the table??? :)

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  119. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Minus seems to be dead…..what a shame! :)

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  120. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Sorry folks he’s just come back to life! :)

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  121. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    When two teams are level on the same number of points, either the result of their game, number of wins, or for and against is used to determine which is higher ranked.

    It says

    Wainui 12
    HOBM 12.

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  122. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Quite right SPC. I’m riding on top of milkey at the moment despite what he claims!

    I don’t even care that as a good Catholic he isn’t wearing a condom! :)

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  123. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Of course dancing in the armed forces is a fine old tradition! :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fisher,_1st_Baron_Fisher

    Note:

    “He was not keen on sport, but he was a highly proficient dancer. Fisher employed his dancing skill later in life to charm a number of important ladies. He became interested in dancing in 1877 and insisted that the officers of his ship learn to dance. Fisher cancelled the leave of midshipmen who would not take part. He introduced the practice of junior officers dancing on deck when the band was playing for senior officers’ wardroom dinners. This practice spread through the fleet. He broke with the then ball tradition of dancing with a different partner for each dance, instead adopting the scandalous habit of choosing one good dancer as his partner for the evening.[10] His ability to charm all comers of all social classes made up for his sometimes blunt or tactless comments.[11] He suffered from seasickness throughout his life.[12]”

    Rum, sodomy and the lash chaps! :)

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  124. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    At the bottom is says

    Rams 1, the only team yet to win a game.

    The 3 teams it has played are now the top 3 in the table.

    Wainui 12
    HOBM 12
    MSP 9

    The Rams host the other Hutt Valley team Petone next week and a Petone win will take them into 4th spot.

    The 3 losses at home to the other 3 Hutt Valley teams will secure them their semi-final spots. Expect the Rams to start winning when they play City teams later on. The Super City is not popular in the upper valley and someone has to pay. Eliminating City teams from the semi-finals is just the beginning.

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  125. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Go Petone….My grandchildren play for them! :)

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  126. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Sometimes it pays to check with the experts first. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0q62ln1kh4qemd/Dear%20Abby.jpg

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  127. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    “COME ON ENGLAND!!!”

    Haha big bruv bigot what a loser. You can pick em sucker. NZ might declare at half time.

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  128. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    Once again the referees come to the assistance of the NZ team. Has nobody told the Poms that in NZ you are not allowed to tackle a NZ player? That alone is enough to get you ten minutes in the bin.

    I also noticed that forward passes are allowed if you are the team in black and that in particular the NZ number 7 is permitted to play the game by his own set of rules.

    This could have been a great game and a great series had we appointed referees who were tough enough to ignore the direction from the NZRU.

    Other observations;

    1. McCaw being owned again.
    2. Has anybody told the new centre that his job is to pass the ball?
    3. The commentator said that Savea is the best finisher in the world at the moment, I can only assume he has not heard of Israel Folau.

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  129. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    Blame the haka, blame the ref, blame McCaw, blame Burns, blame your brain. Haha what a loser.

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  130. big bruv (14,132 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    What has happened to Wests?, unless I missed it I could not even find them in the Hardup Cup.

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  131. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Why is NZ so poor that we need to let SHIT like Donghua Liu, fuck NZ was once run by the poms then the yanks now the communist chinese with the corrupt shit like LIU UNDER THE living GOD key

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  132. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Senior 1 is their top team surely bb?

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  133. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Here you go bb…beat Ories by 1 point! :)

    http://www.clubrugby.co.nz/wellington/games-results.php

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  134. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Johnboy I’ll be honest. When you mention ‘minus’ I sometimes give you a minus because you’re being a self conscious sheep-shagger.

    Hint: Don’t mention minus!

    On another note – nice win Warriors. Lookin’ sharp.

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  135. Griff (8,159 comments) says:

    minus for everyone
    bwahahahahaha

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  136. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    i chuckle at the posts from the right ,the posts with cuntliffe slobdotcom and the other CHILDISH names fuck rich bully kids insults from fuckwitsl WHO POST ON KIWIBLOG but what i cannot understand is a party sucking up to the chinese OPPS THE LEFT WING COMMUNIST CHINESE like Donghau Liu, a scummy communist,OPPS john KEY loves him but hes a rich piece of shit the sort national LOVES , corrupt AND A FEMALE FAMILY basher, SEEMS LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT SEND HIM BACK TO HIS HOMELAND scum

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  137. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Good to see you shined your jackboots tonight lurcher.

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  138. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Colville:

    You may not be aware, but “Lurcher1948″ is currently banned from Kiwiblog until 11 September 2032 (yes, you read that correctly).

    He’s previously posted under the following aliases (that I know of):

    – John
    – JSF
    – Joe Average
    – JoeAverage1948
    – Roger Rabbit
    – Jock
    – Harry Glicken
    – paws
    – Plebe

    He’s an ex-printer, from what I understand, and generally uses the CAPSLOCK key when he gets VERY UPSET.

    If you’d like to know more about Lurcher’s unique commenting style, he had a memorable meltdown on this thread. One of my favourite all-time meltdowns on Kiwiblog, in fact!

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  139. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Once again the referees come to the assistance of the NZ team

    That’d be the bit when they sent someone off in the last ten minutes, right?

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  140. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Good to read the 2010 thread, Carter riding the Fullers fairy I mean ferry … ;-)

    Good night lurcher !

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