Translating Laila

June 1st, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The HoS interviews Laila Harre:

Is it your purpose to destroy Prime Minister John Key, as this appears to be a motivation of your party founder Kim Dotcom?

We are determined to change the government of New Zealand come September. The global financial crisis in 2008 and the Canterbury earthquakes had a massive impact on people’s sense of security. This climate led to a rise in conservatism and a fear of change. We are now moving beyond that.

Translation: yes

What do you think of Kim Dotcom, his business practices and the charges he is facing?

He is a world expert in his field – a highly intelligent man who is serious and passionate about this party and public policy issues. I think New Zealanders feel embarrassed by our Government’s treatment of him as well as the misuse of our intelligence agency with regard to a number of other New Zealanders they have admitted to spying on. It would not be appropriate for me to comment on the charges against Kim Dotcom.

Translation: He’s paying me $150,000 a year to lead his party before I jump ship to Mana. It’s great. He pays me much much more than the CTU and Greens did.

Your party is targeting young, disillusioned voters, but does a middle-aged woman have the credibility to pull this off?

I am connected to young people through my own two children, who are now young adults. 

You’re claiming a connection to young people, because you’re a parent? Oh dear. That’s exactly what old people say.

 

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103 Responses to “Translating Laila”

  1. geoff3012 (56 comments) says:

    Silly tart.

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  2. Colville (2,184 comments) says:

    I am connected to young people through my own two children, who are now young adults.

    The more I talk to my Son of 22 the more I think we live on different planets!

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  3. Igotta Numbum (446 comments) says:

    The answer to the last question is nauseating… it’s like when it was “in” to say your daughter was “my best friend” and vice versa.

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  4. Other_Andy (2,513 comments) says:

    Do they actually have any well defined policies, apart from giving crim.con a ‘get out of jail’ card..?

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  5. nasska (10,908 comments) says:

    ….”I am connected to young people through my own two children, who are now young adults”…..

    Go Granny….go! :)

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  6. tvb (4,253 comments) says:

    Oh dear she was a mistake. The Mana-IP alliance is made up of ageing baby boomers. Minto and Harawera are old enough to be grandparents. I suppose they relate to young people through their grandchildren. They are still banging on about the springbok tour. Minto’s great moment, Typical of people their age they are prepared to deal with someone on a pragmatic basis. Harawera and Harre have not the faintest idea what the internet is and what is means. This has got to be the shabbiest deal in politics

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  7. big bruv (13,558 comments) says:

    Harre strikes me as just another stinking hypocritical socialist who wants to steal more money from the productive sector of our economy and give that money to bludgers and parasites.

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  8. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  9. Minnie (96 comments) says:

    It’s a John Clark satire surely? Leader of the Internet Party claims “I’m no expert” and “we have computers all over the house” as qualifications for this role.
    Seriously strange.

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  10. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ” give that money to bludgers and parasites.”

    They won’t get a lot. KDC and Mana aren’t in it for them. But if it means taqking the reigns off the old school woohoooooo.

    Kiwibloggers are well aware of this and using bludgers and parasites as a smokescreen to perpetuate their rot.

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  11. JC (933 comments) says:

    On radio Josie Pagani on Harre’s appeal to the young..

    “Its like seeing your parents in lycra”

    JC

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  12. minus (159 comments) says:

    Stop in new gravy train – Willie Jackson wants to get aboard …

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  13. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    KDC has made a major tactical error in engaging two old boiler commies like Harre and Corkery to front the Internet party. He will need a lot more than $4 million to undo the negative effect of this move.

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  14. Other_Andy (2,513 comments) says:

    Just call her out for what she is…
    A mercenary.
    Plain and simple.

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  15. tvb (4,253 comments) says:

    Or it is like seeing John Minto is budgie smugglers.

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  16. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Yes, “young people” will be attracted to the IP because all young people think alike. They are all social liberals and trendy lefties, rebelling against the establishment, hate tradition and anything conservative, and deeply concerned about information technology.

    For this and other bullshit cliché’s see the excellent book ‘Liberal Mantras For Mindless Dummies.’

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  17. CrazyIvan (88 comments) says:

    Agreed Red, if this is the best talent the Internet party can dig up after nearly a year of planning then heaven help them. They have leaders who can’t even talk convincingly about the party’s raison d’etre.

    It’s very telling that the Conservatives and ACT both have leadership younger than the so-called ‘youth-oriented Internet party.’ Also I’m not sure how harping on about the Springbok tour will draw in voters who weren’t even born in the 1980s.

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  18. Ben2001 (21 comments) says:

    So presumably children are connected to old people because they have two parents; what total bollocks.

    And the thought of this bunch getting their hands on the levers of power gives me a far greater sense of insecurity than the GFC ever did.

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  19. rouppe (942 comments) says:

    She also says that she is internet savvy because her husband has an internet business and they have computers in the house…

    But he doesn’t know who her ISP is because “her husband pays the bills”, so I doubt she knows anything about her husbands “internet business” which could easily be selling stuff on TradeMe.

    And I guess I’m a really good mechanic cause I have a car in the garage…

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  20. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Also I’m not sure how harping on about the Springbok tour will draw in voters who weren’t even born in the 1980s.”

    It won’t. The entire IMP circus is a party of has been “radicals” stuck in the 70′s-80′s and still fighting the same battles. The notion that Harre will be, or in fact ever was, a youth vote attractor is a load of superficial, media driven rubbish.

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  21. radvad (702 comments) says:

    Question for Laila….
    How can the internet party go into coalition with a party that recently considered banning facebook?

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  22. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (836 comments) says:

    You should have seen lying Laila on “The Nation” programme this morning……It is very clear she has been bought out for $150K. Compared to lying Laila Sue Bradford looks like mother Teresa to me…..

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  23. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    As she has children, she will not be attacked for not having any when developing a policy on families …

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  24. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    I honestly thought Dotcom would have the nous to roll out some former All Black, a Shortland Street ‘Star’ or even that silly Castle Hughes bint…(To appeal to the ‘Youth’ vote)
    But Harre is just a laughing stock- and her partner in crime Harawira can’t even PRONOUNCE Technology!
    And Pam Corkery??? Wasn’t she last heard of trying to open a brothel or something?
    These are the ‘hip young’ faces of NZ Politics??

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  25. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    This thread does indicate that as money cannot be ignored, there is instead the resort to ridicule to dismiss a threat to the status quo from those connected to trickle down reward by connection to it.

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “The Mana-IP alliance is made up of ageing baby boomers.”

    Bla haha.

    National is supported by aging baby boomers and even older.

    what a cronyist convulated air head argument . Have you laughed out of every sane room you enter.

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  27. David Garrett (6,773 comments) says:

    ‘Knives: Well said Sir…When you read the piece in the SST there is quite a nasty sidebar about how disorganized Harre was for the interview, and how she was having a “major makeover” before she met the press and had pictures took…not sure if that is a comment on how the left can see through this charade or further evidence that the SST has become a much better paper lately…

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  28. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “I honestly thought Dotcom would have the nous to roll out some former All Black,”

    Pffff. Michael Jones turned down National. Obvious he smelled a rat.

    Love some succssful grass root Kiwi’s in the Beehive but they too honest to be sold out.

    Politics is an evil business and the higher you climb the eviller it becomes.

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  29. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Just a squalid left-wing tart, no better than Corkery or Snake Kelly. Has in the past proven to be a loose canon and must get its own way . . . will attract envious losers.

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  30. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    You should watch her interview on Q&A.

    Dimbo Wood asks her about the cost of providing free interweb and Lala says that politics these days has become misfocused and what we need to start doing is finding out what people want and then worrying about how we’re going to pay for it once that’s been established.

    So one assumes of course that the way Lala runs her household is that she asks her “young adults” what they want and if they both say, “a brand new car” then she doesn’t worry at all about managing their expectations, no, she just rushes out and buys them.

    This election is going to be a real laugh but you know what’s going to happen, don’t you. Their target audience won’t give a damn about the logic. Between the IP and Hone their expectations will be raised through the roof with absolutely no moderation whatsoever.

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  31. Tauhei Notts (1,649 comments) says:

    IGM at 1.12.
    Years ago our Anglican minister, on occasions, drank too much sherry.
    That made him a loose Canon.

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  32. minus (159 comments) says:

    David Farrar, translating Laila –
    He’s paying me $150,000 a year to lead his party before I jump ship to Mana.

    Can she jump to Mana when the IP/Mana List says she is 3rd on the List as IP Member
    and as no name may appear twice on a List, she can be nothing else.

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  33. minus (159 comments) says:

    What is the official solution to the disbanding of Internet / Mana after Election Day?

    Say they have three seats – Hone an Electorate, and one other [List], and Internet one [List].
    Hone keeps the Electorate seat. But is he entitled to an List seat because no one will know who Party-voted in support of –
    • Internet / Mana combined
    • Internet itself
    • Mana itself.

    Should Parliament then be underhung by two? :-)

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  34. geoff3012 (56 comments) says:

    David Garrett (5,510 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    evidence that the SST has become a much better paper lately…

    NO

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  35. Peter (1,664 comments) says:

    I have a lot of experience in changing nappies. I feel qualified to lead the Labour Party.

    Laila logic.

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  36. Peter (1,664 comments) says:

    So, they want votes from the internet kidz only to turn around and not represent the internet kidz post election?

    Sounds like a winning pitch.

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  37. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    Laila came across in a way that will appeal to many Baby Boomer females. Sure, her policies don’t stack up, and her promises are unlikely to be met. But think about the alternatives?

    Baby boomer females are left to choose between the examples of Judith Collins (who comes across like a pitbull at times), or Annette King (god knows how you’d describe her).

    Laila comes across as feminine, but strong. She appeals to Baby Boomer females who still believe in yoga, and would love nothing more than to be Zen Masters. She addresses the softness of motherhood (grand-motherhood) that other parties aren’t providing – as the biggest population group in the electorate – addressing some of the Baby Boomers is not going to go against them. Don’t forget these women are too old to understand the workings of the internet and have sons the same age as KDC – they may be feeling like he is being a bit picked on and find him just a sweet misunderstood boy, with a weight problem, whose done very well for himself. This is a generation in which some of its members remember being bullied by the US over Vietnam and Nuclear issues – and they probably aren’t going to take their side over the KDC issue anyway.

    Those of them that are a bit flakey on their votes, may very well support Laila.

    (Okay – now feel free to tick down, because none of you like the truth).

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  38. ross411 (295 comments) says:

    What an empty article. I hope whomever wrote it doesn’t look in the mirror and congratulate themselves on being a journalist. I don’t expect a hard-hitting expose, but there were easy questions which weren’t asked and clueless answers which weren’t challenged or clarified.

    It’s more like a paid advertisement than a work of journalism. Quid-pro-quo. You give us some content, and we’ll softball you some exposure.

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  39. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    ross 69: Like all lefties you know everything, have an answer for everything, but like the current line-up of Labour/Green trough snouters, have nothing, are nothing, and will never be anything.

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  40. stephieboy (2,536 comments) says:

    Judith, Laila might ( and it’s a big, might ) be all those things but I think those highly debatable qualities are the best chance for that ” someone ” getting a no questions asked payout.
    Given your lauding it over Laila what do you think of Sue Bradford’s actions.?Unprincipled .? Self serving.?
    That $150,000 salary package must of been sorely tempting.?

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  41. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    She appeals to Baby Boomer females who still believe in yoga, and would love nothing more than to be Zen Masters…some of its members remember being bullied by the US over Vietnam and Nuclear issues – and they probably aren’t going to take their side over the KDC issue… Those of them that are a bit flakey on their votes, may very well support Laila.

    A bit flakey only on their votes, Judith? You’re being too kind on them.

    BTW, personally, I like the truth. I thought you lefties hated generalisations…

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  42. annie (540 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,592 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    If it’s possible that the old paradims are changing and the world is moving on and a new political realm is encroaching causing the demise of the dinosaur era that is exciting and I for one am rejoicing.
    ….

    Oooooh! Listen to this guy with respect. He used the word “paradigm”, he must be right up with current thinking…

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  43. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Laila came across in a way that will appeal to many Baby Boomer females.”

    Evidence?

    “Sure, her policies don’t stack up, and her promises are unlikely to be met. But think about the alternatives?”

    I can think of at least two that are vastly better.

    “Baby boomer females are left to choose between the examples of Judith Collins (who comes across like a pitbull at times), or Annette King (god knows how you’d describe her).”

    Or “they” could decide which policies they think are better for the country. Just a thought.

    “Laila comes across as feminine, but strong.”

    She doesn’t come across as either.

    “She appeals to Baby Boomer females who still believe in yoga, and would love nothing more than to be Zen Masters.”

    I doubt it. She appealls to a small number of hard left unionists, thats all.

    “She addresses the softness of motherhood (grand-motherhood) that other parties aren’t providing”

    No, she really doesn’t, and political parties do not exist to provide archetypes.

    “Those of them that are a bit flakey on their votes, may very well support Laila.”

    Again, evidence?

    “(Okay – now feel free to tick down, because none of you like the truth).”

    I love the truth. I just never hear much of it from you.

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  44. Rex Widerstrom (5,330 comments) says:

    It’s a bit unfair on Judith to demand hard evidence for what she has clearly stated as an opinion. The subset of voters she has described sounds very much like the group nicknamed “doctors’ wives” by the Australian media – middle aged urban liberals with good incomes and what they like to think is a social conscience. Except their understanding of the issues is limited to a mix of thinking in cliches and misinterpreting feeling as fact.

    They want policies which will make things better for the poor, but not at the expense of the incomes they spend on yoga classes, latte, and the nanny.

    The relative wealth of many Australians means such people are an influential bloc in some urban seats and thus have an effect on elections. But in NZ, most families have to have both partners working just to make ends meet. Aside perhaps from Remuera, Khandallah and a handful of other suburbs our coffee shops aren’t over-run with ladies who lunch.

    So while Harre’s brand of warm fuzzy Earth mother-mixed-with-professional may well appeal to the sorts of voters Judith describes, there aren’t enough of them to make a difference.

    And more importantly, when the campaign gets under way and they hear Annette Sykes and Hone in full flight, they won’t be able to reconcile what they’re hearing with what they’ve seen from that nice Ms Harre, and will flock back to the parties they used to support.

    It’s as though Dotcom thought blending his electronica with the Ratana brass band would produce anything but the most unappealing, indeed unsettling, dissonance.

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  45. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Laila comes across as feminine, but strong.”
    “This is a generation in which some of its members remember being bullied by the US over Vietnam and Nuclear issues”

    Ye Gods- Have you ever visited planet earth Judith??

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  46. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Laila is just a politcal whore and her new friend Pam can beat her at that profession ask some old boys from the Wainui Rugby League Club! :)

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  47. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Really? I’d pay her to keep her clothes on!
    Though Wainui League Club may not be the most ‘discerning’ gentlemen….

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  48. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    The Ol Boy’s not servicing Judith to well recently Longknives. …..She just get’s a tad frustrated at times! :)

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  49. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Twas many years ago Longknives! :)

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  50. big bruv (13,558 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    It may well have been many years ago but given to whom you are referring one cannot claim that the particular female was any better looking back in her younger days.

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  51. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    After ten jugs the boy’s thought she looked OK apparently bb! :)

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  52. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Shit! A bb Minus Monster seems to be stalking the land of KB! :)

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  53. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    My one’s still asleep…..got in early today I did! :)

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  54. big bruv (13,558 comments) says:

    Don’t worry Johnboy. In true Bedwetter fashion I give you an uptick irrespective of what you write :)

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  55. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Just like you…everything I write is worthy of an upsy bb! :)

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  56. deckboy (17 comments) says:

    Watched her on Q&A. Frightening! How that disorganised rabble of losers could ever agree on anything is beyond me.

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  57. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Minus has awoken at last! :)

    Bit slow today old chap! :)

    Must have stayed up too late last night waiting for the posts that never came! :)

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  58. G152 (231 comments) says:

    As a matter of interest how old are these crones?

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  59. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Laila’s 48 and Pam’s 58 G152. One dyes her hair and the other doesn’t so it’s a bit hard to tell whose oldest! :)

    Both are fugely! :)

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  60. lilman (928 comments) says:

    Judith,I love your posts.
    You say,I will not support

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  61. jcuk (639 comments) says:

    It appears that there are misogynists elsewhere than in India.

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  62. OneTrack (2,815 comments) says:

    “global financial crisis in 2008″? – She does know the crisis is still ongoing doesn’t she?

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  63. davidp (3,557 comments) says:

    From the interview: “At the core of that initial appeal is the scandalously high prices for internet access in this country. I was in Fiji for two years and had faster internet there than we have in New Zealand, where some 70,000 school children do not even have internet access at home.”

    So I wanted to compare by own broadband with Fiji. I’m with Vodafone, and they’ve recently (unprompted) moved me from a 500GB cap to an unlimited plan, for $105 per month.

    On the other hand, Telecom Fiji Ltd seem to only offer one broadband package, with a 5GB cap for about $NZ25 a month. They also have a pre-pay contract-free broadband, where 12GB costs around $NZ40.

    So, Fiji does have reasonably cheap broadband if you are a VERY light user. But the caps are miniscule and the cost per gig is really high compared to NZ. I suspect that Harre just uses the internet for e-mail and FaceBook, and has absolutely no idea what you’d use more than 5GB a month for. She’s a bit like Katrina Shanks, who told us that she has no idea how the internet works, but she knew it was scarey and that her children understood it… and therefore she supported the Skynet Bill.

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  64. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    “……She addresses the softness of motherhood (grand-motherhood) that other parties aren’t providing – as the biggest population group in the electorate –….”

    Abortion isn’t soft Judith. And she’s an advocate.

    And to then say that ‘grandmothers are the biggest population group’ – why of course – as they aborted their children!

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  65. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    evidence that the SST has become a much better paper lately…

    Correction. The SST said something you liked, therefore you believe it is a better paper.

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  66. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    Mssr. Farrar.

    Aside from the whole IP party being a bit of a sell out joke, you’re not in the slightest jealous are you? I mean you’ve spent a lot of time in the field. You try to associate yourself with younger beings (those that are “disaffected”). Sometimes these posts about the IP party get a little personal rather than subjective – I’m wondering if you hadn’t thought this was a good idea before the German fellow came along and nicked it out of your lap.

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  67. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    Harry, how many times do I have to say… it’s not always about you!

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  68. goldnkiwi (1,170 comments) says:

    ‘Personal’ surely is subjective, do you mean objective or did I read it wrong?

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  69. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Cruel, very cruel itstricky! :)

    You have dared to utter what many have thought! :)

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  70. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    Sorry, yes, stuffed that up, I meant objective. Good spotting.

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  71. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Still better for a chap like David to spend his wad on popping off to exotic climes cause he can rather than a wanted crim having to blow his cash here on silly political buggers like Hone, Laila and Pam cause he’s afeared of being deported if he goes on a hol to anywhere other than say the South Island and who knows even the sensible Mainlanders will probably deport the fararsed prick! :)

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  72. chris (589 comments) says:

    @Rex Widerstrom

    It’s a bit unfair on Judith to demand hard evidence for what she has clearly stated as an opinion.

    She didn’t say it was an opinion, and quite clearly in the parentheses at the end said it was “the truth”.

    The rest of your comment, bang on.

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  73. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    rather than a wanted crim having to blow his cash here on silly political buggers like Hone, Laila and Pam cause he’s afeared of being deported if he goes on a hol

    The Herald published the full preceedings last week. The intro read like a who’s who of people you don’t really want to muck with. Plantiffs Warner, Disney, Universal,… … … etc etc etc take beef with Mssr. Dot Com.

    Faced with that, I’d probably buy myself a political party as well. Or get on the next plane to the Maldives.

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  74. OneTrack (2,815 comments) says:

    itstricky – “Faced with that, I’d probably buy myself a political party as well. Or get on the next plane to the Maldives.”

    Or, if you really thought you were innocent of the charges, you might go and face your accusers in a court of law?

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  75. itstricky (1,696 comments) says:

    I’ve never said that I don’t think he is a dodgy crim, OneTrack. Where there is smoke there is fire, blah blah blah. Innocent until proven guilty, blah. Insert random saying, idiom or whatever…HERE.

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  76. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (1,537 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    Sue Bradford is a highly principled woman. She clearly believes that she cannot work with KDC, and has made the right decision.

    Don’t for one minute think I support the IP/MANA alliance. – I don’t. I merely made the comment because that is what I think will happen. The Alliance will appeal to some voters who are not being targeted by National or Labour.

    I simply wish to point out that if you really want National to succeed, then they are going to have to address more than new mothers, and Science and Technology Students. If they don’t offer something for the biggest age cohort in the electorate, then those parties that do – will win that vote. And although National think the have it made by the polls, I think they would be very unwise to get too complacent. Each poll is only an indication of the circumstances on the day it is taken – if someone comes along tomorrow and offers a better deal, then the swinging voters will move where they think they are better off.

    I’m just being pragmatic – National needs to take note of just who these other parties are targeting… because generally they are people National has ignored.

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  77. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,141 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    If they had aborted their children, they wouldn’t be grandmothers, would they?

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  78. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Is it OK if I have another whisky and soda now Judith? :)

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  79. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,541 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    The fact is Shawn, I am a Baby Boomer grand mother, and I have friends, relations and colleagues who are BBer Grandmothers, of whom I talk to regularly about these things.

    Tell me Shawn, how many women of the same group share their confidences with you on a daily basis – and what makes you think that as a man, they tell you what they tell other women?

    I knew you wouldn’t like the truth, because it doesn’t fit with your agenda. However, many women of my age are not interested in election year policies – we’ve lived long enough, and seen enough election years to know they are as disposable as babies nappies.

    As a women, I see Laila as soft, compared to the other options. I have friends of the same age group that have said the same. As a man, and a National supporter you might not see her that way – but you are not even in the same group, so how is your opinion relevant when the specific group being discussed, is not one you belong to – both by age and sex?

    As I said, the evidence comes from the fact I am one, and I talk to others – I’m not claiming they all think the same, but quite a few of them do. Your denial is admirable but clearly you are judging from your own experience and mindset.

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  80. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (14,031 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    ??? if you aren’t man enough to drink it straight – go ahead!

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  81. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    You pop round and suck the top off of the bottle (anyway you feel you can) Judith and I’ll put my lips round it! :)

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  82. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Rex

    there aren’t enough of them to make a difference.

    And that is exactly why National will lose their votes – they don’t think they are a big enough group to worry about.

    Check the numbers Rex – then check how many of that group are on the middle and upper income level – and then do something that you are all forgetting to do – add up the number of other females with whom they associate and have influence.

    If they are grandmothers, chances are they have daughters, and daughters have friends who are all probably mothers in their thirties, and have had their families, so aren’t bothered by ‘stay at home’ payments. Free doctors visits aren’t too much of a worry for the middle income earners – its nice, but its not THAT nice.

    Men underestimating the power of female influence on other females is a big mistake.

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  83. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    “Men underestimating the power of female influence on other females is a big mistake.”

    Simon Dallow found that out unfortunately! :)

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  84. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (14,034 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    I thought you were a farmer and strong enough to open your own bottle? If you are limp wristed, perhaps I should send the ol’ boy instead?

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  85. Johnboy (15,584 comments) says:

    Lot’s of folk think I’m a farmer Judith! :)

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  86. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (14,036 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Hey, you’re not the PM are you? You can tell me, I won’t tell anyone.

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  87. Zapper (965 comments) says:

    Judith, so all middle aged women think the same?

    The pitchforks come out for men who make such comments

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  88. slijmbal (1,223 comments) says:

    Nicely hijacked thread

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  89. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Zapper (873 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Of course not – I didn’t say all – just that I had noted a significant amount that do. Of course there are variants of all opinions, but generally the point is, most political parties have concentrated on other demographics and ignored the very large Baby Boomer age cohort. Whilst they are addressed in the general policies, I would think it would be wise, if bribes are being given, to at least try and get this cohort on board.

    Because many baby boomers have been politically active during their life times, taking strong stands on a variety of issues, it makes sense to presume they are still politically motivated, and will be taking note of the current discourse.

    And to put the thread back on task – I think Laila will appeal to some in that cohort, because they can relate to her.

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  90. goldnkiwi (1,170 comments) says:

    As they should Zapper ;) As I think I am of a similar demographic as ‘Judith’ cites, I do not think like that at all but I am sure ‘Judith’ indoctrinates her right thinking associates, how she thinks best.

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  91. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (758 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    If you are a grandmother, then you may very well be, I didn’t say all shared the same opinion, but that significant amounts do. As you well know, women talk about all sorts of things, and who is impressing them politically is frequently a subject my colleagues and myself talk about, perhaps that is because those issues are pertinent to our discipline or maybe we are just like minded and therefore have similar interests – who knows. But just because your friends don’t do the same, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    And I don’t ‘indoctrinate’ anyone – but nice of you to think I have the power!

    PS. you can’t be ‘similar’, you either are in the same cohort or you aren’t. It’s not a choice thing. If you aren’t born in the right years, you don’t qualify.

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  92. Zapper (965 comments) says:

    I think you’re seriously underestimating your cohort Judith. Or more accurately, seriously simplifying the situation and putting your own slant on it according to your political bias. So business as usual then.

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  93. goldnkiwi (1,170 comments) says:

    Early 60′s. three children, three grandchildren, apparently educated…so subjective ;) do not hang around the hallowed halls of academia any more, (which I thought might be a distinction), nor (cough) do I have a cohort, is that another name for a coven?

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  94. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (760 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    No one ‘has’ a cohort. It is something you belong to because you have a common factor – in this particular case, the Baby Boomer cohort are those born between 1946 and 1964, according to demographers who decide these things. So either you are one, or you aren’t. It’s not an optional thing. If you are born after that you are probably a generation X.

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  95. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Zapper (874 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Everybody puts their own slant on their opinion – its impossible not to. It’s very hard to give ones opinion – from another persons perspective. I would have thought that would have been something that was covered under the category of commonsense – and wouldn’t have needed explaining.

    And your ‘judgement’ isn’t from your own political bias?

    Of course as a national supporter you’ll ignore it – that’s exactly what they have done – and they will find out perhaps they should have given it more attention when other parties get votes, Nat should have got.

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  96. goldnkiwi (1,170 comments) says:

    (cough) earlier than 1964 lol later than 1960 ;) by your definition, I guess gangs can be renamed cohorts. That would be fun. The Mongrel Mob cohort.

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  97. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Judith serious question in that I’m not attacking your baby-boomer female voter analysis but I’m interested in your insights into Laila’s “scene.”

    As you know the IP is not particularly aiming at baby boomers like Laila but rather, is aiming at people like Laila’s children.

    Laila I would assume would be seen by such people as a rather ‘hip’ mother-figure, relatively speaking.

    You’re a mother yourself, I assume. You’re also an astute political analyst from your comments. So my question is:

    Given that both you and Laila know perfectly well the dangers and mischief that may be created IF one inflates young people’s expectations beyond what is realistically possible

    And given that such inflation is evidently and indubitably the strategy of both the IP and Mana

    What, as both a mother and a citizen who may have to live with and pay for such inflated expectations, is your reaction to the launch of these lollipop people, given that you know, that they will be playing to your child’s minds 24/7/365 over this campaign using techniques like these?

    Are you happy for your kids to be subjected to this? And you know they will be. If so, why?

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  98. Nostalgia-NZ (5,043 comments) says:

    Oh that’s interesting the failed Mayoral candidate is a Mongrel Mob cohort with a cough, known in other circles as ‘cough a lot’ creator of poems for dead donkeys who knows that ‘hiding’ the identity of political donors can be hidden by giving one cheque rather than two.

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  99. goldnkiwi (1,170 comments) says:

    Sorry, back now, just realised there was still some piece of shit stuck to my gumboot. lol Some pieces of shit are really hard to scrape off. ;) Today’s Public Announcement.

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  100. Zapper (965 comments) says:

    Judith, your default response is to attack me as a national supporter and imply I’m dumb and just don’t understand.

    Why are you so arrogant and so woefully misinformed?

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  101. Judith (8,442 comments) says:

    @ Reid (15,791 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    The problem is Reid, that once they are of an age to vote, it is not longer within my control to do anything about, other than to tell my child(adult child) how I feel and hope that I have bought him up in a responsible manner to do the right thing – the decision is his to make alone.

    Most of my kids are in their late 20′s and 30′s, and well able to make up their own minds, depending on their life experiences and situation. However, I do worry about my 18 (almost 19 year old). This is the first time he will vote. I have tried to impress on him that voting is not a joke, and that it is his one way of having some (albeit small) influence on his future.

    Regardless of what I tell him, both research and experience tells me that by time he is this age, it is his friends that will have the most influence on him. I am lucky, he has some great friends, who are all artistic like him and all in tertiary education, with big aspirations to make something of themselves. They will be influenced by what the internet party is offering – and probably not mature enough to realise that, like the games they play, it is mostly illusion. But as a parent all I can do is guide my son, and hope he understands that when something looks too good to be true, it probably isn’t good.

    We cannot, as much as we would like to, wrap them in cotton wool, and protect them from those who will negatively influence them – the best we can ask for is that our teachings will enable them to understand the importance of voting. Any attempts to try and stop any party from promoting their cause irresponsibly, would only draw more attention to that party, and probably make some teenagers vote for it, just because their parents don’t like it.

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  102. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Yes I do appreciate the issue Judith.

    The question I asked however was:

    “Are you happy for your kids to be subjected to this?”

    as-in, an endless diatribe that anything is possible, nothing is their fault, the only thing stopping the IP from achieving their [i.e. their target market's] dreams are the selfish rich pricks who just want to oppress you [their voters] and there is no reason whatsoever as to why we can’t simply give you the world and all that is in it, if you’ll only vote for us.

    My question is Judith: are you happy for your kids to be subjected to this message, for that is precisely what it will be. And if so, why are you happy?

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  103. wf (400 comments) says:

    Laila.

    Think House of Cards.

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