A reader on Labour’s website

July 16th, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

A reader e-mails:

I went there yesterday to try and find out what Phil Twyford had said about the roading package.  First thing I noticed on the front page: no search function.  So I went to news and clicked on press releases.  They’re in chronological order.  So I clicked on page 3, as I figured that might take me back as far as June 29, when we made the announcement.  It didn’t, so I clicked on the last available page – page 5.  That took me back as far as July 4, but there is an arrow to the right of the five numbered pages, so I clicked on that, figuring it would take me to pages 6 and beyond.  Nope, it took me back to the front page of press releases.

 Shit I thought, I’ll have to go to Phil Twyford’s MP page – that’s bound to have his press releases.  No, it doesn’t.  It doesn’t actually have any of his media statements – there’s no hyperlinks from his page to anything he’s said, press releases or speeches.  It did have a link to what looked to be his personal website (‘Website: twyord.org.nz’), so I thought it might be there, but astonishingly that link merely refreshed the very page I was looking at.

 So in a nutshell:

  • ’s website has no search function
  • It has no archive of its press releases older than the past two weeks, and older releases just seem to drop off the bottom of the list as new ones enter the system
  • Its MP pages have none of their statements, and the links to what appear to be their external personal websites don’t work

 And, as someone else out to me, if you look at their team page, here: http://campaign.labour.org.nz/team the bios don’t follow any orchestrated formula; they’re a shambles – some are in the first person, such as Nanaia Mahuta … “since becoming an MP I have …”, some are in the third person, such as David Cunliffe … “David is in politics because he believes people matter …”, and some, like Chris Hipkins (ironically the Education Spokesperson) are a grammatical mess … “Chris passionate about education …”

The main purpose of Labour’s website seems to be to get people to give them their e-mail address.

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26 Responses to “A reader on Labour’s website”

  1. metcalph (1,433 comments) says:

    Try “site:labour.org.nz [searchterm1]” etc.

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  2. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Try labour08.co.nz :) Far better content there.

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  3. thedavincimode (6,869 comments) says:

    I don’t see a problem here. This website appears to be set up perfectly for multiple players to make up contradictory policy on the hoof.

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  4. ROJ (121 comments) says:

    Having media statements drop off after a couple of weeks seems eminently sensible to me. They’re going to be contradicted by that time, anyway.

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  5. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    The first thing about David Cunliffe’s bio is “Spokesperson for the SIS”. I know what it means, but the phrasing seems awkward. And Damien O’Connor doesn’t even have a photo. Wonder why! Shoddy and amateur at best.

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  6. ashishnaicker (21 comments) says:

    I believe they removed the search function on purpose. Otherwise, you’d have found multiple conflicting views of the same policy, and probably left more confused than finding what you were looking for.

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  7. annie (539 comments) says:

    The word “passionate” appears on the Labour website’s team page 21 times. It reads like a women’s magazine.

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  8. Monty (980 comments) says:

    And these guys together with the green Taliban, wobbley Winston, hater and wrecker Hone and leftard Laila are perfectly poised to run NZ?

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  9. soundhill1 (269 comments) says:

    Most people know how to use Google.
    https://www.labour.org.nz/media/lets-see-numbers-road-projects-gerry

    “Labour is committed to restoring the balance in transport funding. We will fund regional highway projects out of the country’s transport budget, the National Land Transport Fund, rather than relying on a one-off windfall from selling profitable public assets. Regions are entitled to a proper funding process for their badly needed roading projects.

    “Even the Government’s biggest fan of road spending, trucking lobby spokesperson Ken Shirley, has raised concerns about the apparent lack of analysis behind this announcement, saying: ‘The danger is that it becomes pork barrelled politics and just throwing money into marginal electorates; that’s the old days. I thought we moved away from that.’

    “Let’s see the numbers Mr Brownlee. How do they stack up?

    “If the Minister won’t release the benefit cost ratios on these projects, he could release the polling data the Government based its decisions on,” Phil Twyford says.”

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  10. Tarquin North (352 comments) says:

    Thankyou for your political broadcast soundhill1. The benefits of the holiday highway would be huge for Northland. I’m told it is quicker to move a container from Marsden Point to the North Shore than it is from the Auckland wharves. Imagine how much better it would be with a decent road. As for pork barrel politics, National don’t need to bribe us. All the general electorate seats up here are blue. The best Labour can come up with is a flea lawyer come cross dresser to stand in Whangarei. Even worse than the tired old union hack disguised as a school teacher last time. The only good thing he did was get chucked out of the Ruakaka Tavern for annoying people – that was funny. Having a joke for a web site sums Labour up perfectly.

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  11. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Another thing with their website is that their Capital Gains Tax – which according to David Cunliffe is “the single biggest change to New Zealand tax policy in decades and it’s one that I’ve personally championed for years” – is not mentioned on their Policy or their Announced Policies pages.

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  12. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    “If the Minister won’t release the benefit cost ratios on these projects, he could release the polling data the Government based its decisions on,”

    Ha ha

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  13. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    Im developing a new business model for a customer at the moment. Its taking an existing bricks and mortar business to the web. They understand their business really well, they dont understand the web. One of the things we talk about is that a static website is like a gravestone – its the first sign of death.

    And given politics is all about communication, WTF is wrong with the labour party?

    You have to wonder – is this deliberate, to destabilise and build again over the next 5 years? Im lucky, Ive been on holiday for the last 3 weeks overseas, and watching events from afar. Silent T and his man apology. Guilt in place of innocence. Moa’s. I mean, FFS, Moa’s????

    And all I can think of is someone is tearing labour apart from inside. Why else would you do this shit?

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  14. noskire (842 comments) says:

    The search function was there earlier this month http://web.archive.org/web/20140704062953/https://www.labour.org.nz/

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  15. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    They’ve obviously just done a specific custom “make over” (borrowing the earlier reference to a woman’s magazine) in preparation for their election campaign, which might encompass trying to gather extra bodies for their efforts. And this is news exactly how, DPF? Is this what it gets like as we get closer to election? More and more catty? Eeeeewwwwwwww I don’t like the tone of red Labour use, it’s too dawdy.

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  16. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    I am dissapointed.

    15 comments on this thread so far and no one has pointed out the obvious solution!

    lprent, the God of code that rules the Stranded with an iron mouse click must come to Labours rescue!

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  17. SHG (318 comments) says:

    LOL, the Standard is the most mismanaged and badly-admin’d website in the NZ political scene. Its uptime is shocking.

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  18. timmydevo (53 comments) says:

    Just watched McGuillicuddy v Alf’s Army battle on http://www.labour08.co.nz

    HILARIOUS!

    When you refresh the screen, something new comes up! (Kinda works like the actual Labour party!)

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  19. bringbackdemocracy (428 comments) says:

    Labour wont be happy with their latest morgan poll result
    http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Findings%20PDF/2014/July/5684-NZ-National-Voting-Intention.pdf

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  20. CharlieBrown (1,027 comments) says:

    LOL – what a poor website. Looking at the website it appears they are targeting the voters that already are going to vote labour regardless. Its like a newspaper trying to grow revenue just by posting an advert about their classified columns within their classified columns. None of the images they have would appeal to the thick swing voter that they should be targeting.

    Unfortunately for them, I doubt the issues they are talking about mean much to the swing voter who probably are white and middle class. If I was labour I would hold my ground at the center left where National have lurked to and focus on how they would do things better than National, not what National are doing wrong. That would mean admitting that some of Nationals policies are good (from a slightly left leaning swing voters point of view) then saying we would make these changes to make it better. People love to hate the opposition, by being so senselessly opposed to everything the government is doing just gives people reason to hate them.

    Here is a radical (from labours point of view) policy labour could adopt, propose to abolish the maori seats. Thats what turned the tide against Helen Clark, it might work against Helen Key. They will obviously lose all their maori electorates but that would grab a whole lot of votes from the swing voters. It will also force national into working with the Maori Party which would make their coalition with ACT more difficult… hmmm, flag that idea :-)

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  21. Igotta Numbum (465 comments) says:

    Holy shit, Roy Morgan….. lol

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  22. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Of course you don’t want people seeing press releases and articles from more than 2 weeks ago, then you might actually get held accountable for all the bat-shit crazy things you come up with!?

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  23. scrubone (3,104 comments) says:

    I’m constantly amazed that Labour have made such great effort to make sure we don’t have a good highway going north from our largest city.

    It beggars belief frankly.

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  24. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    Forget it bros. The way Labour is sinking in the polls, there won’t be any need for Labour website.

    NewtalkZB reports:

    A healthy jump for National in the latest Roy Morgan Poll that’s just been released.

    The poll has the Nats on 51 percent, up three percent on the previous poll two weeks ago.

    In contrast, support for Labour is down 4.5 points to 23.5 percent, their lowest figure since November 2011.

    There’s better news for the Green Party, up three percent to 15 percent.

    However, on those figures if the election was held today, the result would be a comfortable victory for National and a third term for John Key.

    Now I am worried about FatCon’s bomb to be released on September 15th…….

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  25. marcw (254 comments) says:

    Probably no more than they had to let the webmaster “go” – you know, they cost as much as a treasury analyst. And Matt’s nephew won’t work for nothing, even though he’s a wizz on Facebook and Bebo.

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  26. s.russell (1,646 comments) says:

    The purpose of Labour policy (and press releases) is to generate a good sound bite. Full stop. They do not want anyone actually reading policy details or trying to analyse them – that would expose the complete lack of thought behind them. So once they have served their purpose it makes sense that Labour wants to bury them.

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