Benefit numbers down 5%

July 18th, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

WINZ has released the latest benefit stats, and they’re good news.

  • 16,196 fewer people on a main benefit than a year ago
  • A 5% decrease for all from June 2013 to June 2014
  • An 11% decrease for sole parent support benefits
  • A drop in the proportion of working age adults on from 11.2% to 10.5%
  • Lowest number of people on welfare since 2008 before the Great Recession
  • Welfare numbers peaked at 352,000 in 2010 and now 294,000.
  • The number of teen solo parents is down 12%. On average a teenager who goes on the benefit stays there 19 years and has a lifetime cost of $246,000

It is great to see the welfare reforms working. The best way to boost incomes is for people to move from welfare into work.

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38 Responses to “Benefit numbers down 5%”

  1. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Our friend, a nice enough woman with two daughters 15 years apart in age (different fathers) will have received the DPB type benefit for over 30 years before her youngest leaves school. She is under pressure to work now but daughter number one is pregnant so history is about to repeat.
    Again, actually nice people but our paying for them has to stop. It is not fair on low paid responsible workers.

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  2. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Corporate fraud is far more serious than any number of beneficiaries

    Estimated corporate fraud is around $6B.

    Beneficiaries are a red herring

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  3. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Also, beneficiaries aren’t finding work. They just kicked off benefits and creating a lower level of underclass that is swelling soon to epic proportions as overseas workers are working for less.

    Thanks to National Socialism

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  4. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Excellent news indeed!
    Heck, given that Sole Parent Support is dropping by over 8,000 per year we could be looking at around 50,000 on that benefit in 2017 if the Nats get back in. Jobseeker support could be 100K or fewer.

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  5. HB (321 comments) says:

    just wondering how many of the people coming off a benefit are just moving to super (with our aging population) and how many are finding employment?

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  6. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Excellent news indeed!”

    all for the wrong reasons

    I wonder how many business people chuckle over these threads.

    None who are going to admit anything on here

    Mostly National supporters and gross cowards

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  7. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    The National Socialist Party just has to be filled with fraudulent cowards owing billions to this country and must be protected by MP’s .

    The Manukau Counties Police certainly are by the Minister of Police.

    [DPF:20 demerits]

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  8. Skttrbrain (26 comments) says:

    DPF – have you done the working age population numbers vs. employment numbers and compared them to these numbers?

    Otherwise the claim that these people are moving “from welfare to work”, and that this is unqualified “good news” look quite shaky indeed.

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  9. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Hey wikiriwhis business, $6B in corporate fraud is HUGE! It doesn’t seem possible to me; the NZ economy isn’t big enough for that much theft. Who’s doing it? and How? If you are being truthful I want names so I can lay formal complaints.

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  10. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    We have a lot of part-timers in the service sector of the economy (tourism etc).
    has anyone thought about the role of bank economists in shouting the positive news about the NZ economy? Every morning on Radio NZ.

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  11. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    When you think about beneficiaries bludging you also have to consider the alternative (the low wage service sector), but also the lack of incentive (motivation is a function of the value of a goal and probability of achieving it) caused by policies which favour real estate investors.

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  12. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Also, beneficiaries aren’t finding work. They just kicked off benefits and creating a lower level of underclass that is swelling soon to epic proportions as overseas workers are working for less.”

    Yes, they are.

    “The National Socialist Party”

    A couple of days ago you were quoting from a web site promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and claiming a global conspiracy by Jews to rule the world.

    Your clearly deeply confused, and even more clearly not a reliable source for fact based arguments.

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  13. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    This is pleasing but of one thing we can be sure. The lazing bludging magpie will still be represented in the statistics.

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  14. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    No matter how much benefit numbers drop and exports rise and great results are published there will still be a hard core of Leftists who will ignore all the evidence of improvement and still vote for a weak fractured extremist bunch of losers. Every vote counts. A well reasoned sane vote for National counts the. same as a stoner dragged out and told to vote Green at Aro Valley. Vote early and encourage people to vote early and lock in the gains for National to gain a record result.

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  15. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Not that I’m suspicious or have cause to doubt, but can we be sure these statistics are kosher? (Wink, wink)

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  16. peterwn (3,272 comments) says:

    Fisiani – The Aro Valley stoner would be told to give the party vote to the Greens but the electorate vote to Grant Robertson (Labour) for fear of letting the National candidate slip in.

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  17. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    I’ll ask again – where’s National’s review of ‘corporate welfare’?

    And – where are the statistics on ‘white-collar’ crime?

    Penny Bright

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  18. artemisia (242 comments) says:

    However, the black economy appears to be increasing and there may (or may not, who knows) be a correlation with numbers of beneficiaries.

    Estimates range from $10 billion to $20 billion a year. And The Treasury says black economy averaged about 9% of GDP over the period of 1972 to 1994, and approx 12% over the period from 1999 to 2006.

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  19. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    I’ll ask again – when is Penny going to pay her rates and contribute her fair share?

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  20. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Sue Bradford would be horrified! This is clearly a result of “Beneficiary Bashing”!!

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  21. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Well well, well….the numbers are going to increase when lot of Labour MPs join the dole queue on September 21st….me thinking aloud….

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  22. Unity (584 comments) says:

    Why am I sceptical that all these reductions have come out just before the election? One part of me wonders if the figures have been massaged in some way or people have been taken off benefits for one reason or another and left to fend for themselves. I thought there weren’t nearly enough jobs to go around so how does that work out?

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  23. mandk (993 comments) says:

    “The best way to boost incomes is for people to move from welfare into work.”

    More importantly, the best way to boost social outcomes is for people to move from welfare to work.

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  24. mandk (993 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,858 comments) says:
    July 18th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    “Also, beneficiaries aren’t finding work”

    83,000 more people are now in work than there were a year ago.

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  25. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Of course, as usual, no one bothers to check the demographics that show there will a natural fall in numbers due to the largest population group leaving the workforce and retiring or dying. As the baby boomers reach 65 they receive the super and no longer feature in main beneficiary statistics.

    The sheer size of this cohort is going to skew many of our social stats for sometime to come – and shouldn’t be left out of any explanation, such as that above – unless of course you wish to fool people.

    Of course that won’t account for all the decrease, but it will have a significant affect in the numbers.

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    mandk (814 comments) says:
    July 18th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    83,000 more people are now in work than there were a year ago.

    Where did you get that figure from?

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  27. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Somewhat different to Labour’s efforts: Unemployment down? Public servants increased by 42%, thousands on sickness and ACC. Judith is a f/wit.

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  28. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @flash

    “Hey wikiriwhis business, $6B in corporate fraud is HUGE!”

    As artemesia points out the so called corporate fraud is predominantly the cash economy – corporates don’t do cash – your small sole traders and businesses do. Corporates find legal ways to minimise tax.

    This left wing false meme needs to be challenged every time it is raised by the likes of wikiriwhis.

    Good luck in taxing the cash economy.

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  29. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    ACC is not a benefit, it is insurance, and they owe me. 5 years now, and almost at court

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  30. mandk (993 comments) says:

    @ Judith,
    Household Labour Force Survey, Stats NZ

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ mandk (815 comments) says:
    July 18th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Thanks, I’ll check it out. Of course there is no saying that they all came off welfare, but its good to see.

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  32. duggledog (1,557 comments) says:

    ACC is the biggest rort going. I had hoped National would introduce competition; I would have been first in line. My ACC bill is more than my house, contents, life ins & cars.

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  33. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t Igm get demerits? EDIT: at least he gets down votes I suppose

    Anyone else think it’s too good to be true? Days upon days of ‘oh Labour stuffed up the colours on their website’ followed by inflation down, unemployment down, Benes down etc. Oh, and as others have said – Crime stats down. Next he’ll tell me that it has been medically proven that the sun shines out of JKs behind with a cute little graph.

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  34. duggledog (1,557 comments) says:

    Wiki

    ‘Also, beneficiaries aren’t finding work. They just kicked off benefits and creating a lower level of underclass’

    That’s of their own making then. Not all, but many. Farmers all over NZ have to get workers (thousands of them dear boy) from South America, Philippines etc to do things like milk cows or pick fruit even, because their own countrymen

    A: Won’t move (especially to the… South Island!! Oooh that’s too cold!)
    B: Can’t get out of bed
    C: Are unreliable
    D: Have no work ethic.

    Are you actually Maori? Parallels have recently been made between certain parts of Northland and… Timor. Having been up there recently that’s a bit OTT but some areas – I’m thinking Herekino back blocks – hard to believe they are actually in NZ. Yet there are plenty of opportunities up north; tons of Maori land (that don’t attract rates), the full backing of massive government spending on all the basic necessities of life… but some people are just bone idle and won’t help themselves. Why is it the Far North (parts of) and the Eastern BOP (parts of) are so utterly depressed? Sometimes you have to go where the jobs are. It’s the human story.

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  35. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    dugledog,
    “ACC is the biggest rort going. I had hoped National would introduce competition; I would have been first in line. My ACC bill is more than my house, contents, life ins & cars.”
    Fully covered until you make a claim. Come and talk to me about this, DPF will give you my email on condition that I get yours.
    Unless of course you are a seed from ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation)
    I don’t care if ACC has competition, they need to pay claims – not fight those who are injured in the Courts.
    Fucking corksoakers

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  36. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Steve (North Shore) (4,483 comments) says:
    July 18th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    Did you know that ACC are changing the system and you can no longer take them to court if you have a review dispute. Now they will be heard by an ACC tribunal – supposedly to make the process quicker, but word is, that because they have been losing so many cases in the courts, the new system which will be run by govt/ACC will increase their wins. I’m not sure of the details but it sounds damn shonky.

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  37. duggledog (1,557 comments) says:

    Steve
    True that. I believe you. In my experience, all insurers run for the hills, the bigger the claim. It’s the compulsion and the monopoly that gets me. It just ain’t right!
    Hope you get there!

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ Judith (4.53pm) – here you go; direct from the Stats NZ Household Labour Force Survey commentary for the March quarter (the emphasis is mine):

    Labour force participation reaches record high

    In seasonally adjusted terms, the number of people in the labour force increased by 22,000 (0.9 percent) in the March 2014 quarter, reflecting a large rise in employment and no change in unemployment.

    As the number of people in the labour force rose and the number of people outside the labour force fell, the participation rate rose 0.4 percentage points to 69.3 percent in the March 2014 quarter. The participation rate is now at the highest level since the series began in 1986, just surpassing the 69.2 percent seen in the December 2008 quarter. Over the year, the labour force participation rate rose 1.4 percentage points. This is also the largest annual increase for the series

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPMar14qtr/Commentary.aspx#Participation

    The most pleasing figure for me is the drop in the number of children from welfare-dependent homes; around 30,000 less today than two years ago. Growing up in a home where one or both parents goes to work every day is a far better example for children to see than viewing staying home and not working as the norm.

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