General Debate 25 July 2014

July 25th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    ‘Disgustingly Biased’ – The Corporate Media On The Gaza Massacre

    Soon after Malaysian Airlines MH17 crashed near Donetsk, Ukraine on July 18, killing 298 people, the BBC website quickly, and rightly, set up a ‘LIVE’ feed with rolling reports and commentary on the disaster. This was clearly an important and dramatic event involving horrific loss of life with serious political implications. The public would, of course, be searching for the latest news.
    However, since July 8, ten days prior to the crash, Israeli armed forces had been bombarding the trapped civilian population of Gaza with airstrikes, drone strikes and naval shelling. As the massive Israeli assault ramped up on July 9, the World section of the BBC News website had this as its headline:

    ‘Israel under renewed Hamas attack’

    By July 18, around 300 people had been killed in Gaza, 80% of them civilians. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a key political issue of our time, one that was clearly developing by the minute after July 8. And yet at no point had the BBC set up a ‘LIVE’ feed with rolling news.
    That finally changed on July 20 after so many days in which so many Palestinians had been killed. Why July 20? The answer appears to be found in the fourth entry of the live feed under the title ‘Breaking News':

    ‘Some 13 Israeli soldiers were killed overnight in Gaza, news agencies, quoting Israeli military sources, say. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to address the nation shortly.’

    Despite this small number of military deaths compared to the Palestinian toll, it seems clear that the killing of the Israeli troops triggered the BBC live feed. It focused intensely on these deaths, with entries of this kind:

    ‘Ben White, writer tweets: Israel has lost more soldiers in a 3 day old ground offensive than it did during Cast Lead & Pillar of Defense combined (12).’

    And:

    ‘View to the Mid East, a writer in Ashdod, Israel tweets: One of the soldiers who was killed in Gaza tonight prays at the same synagogue I go to. Grew up in the same neighbourhood.’

    The feed incorporated no less than five photographs from two funerals of the Israeli soldiers but none from the far more numerous Palestinian funerals (one picture showed Palestinian relatives collecting a body from a morgue), with these captions:

    ‘Friends and relatives of Israeli Sergeant Adar Barsano mourn during his funeral at the military cemetery in the northern Israeli city of Nahariya.’

    And:

    ‘Sagit Greenberg, the wife of Israeli soldier Maj Amotz Greenberg, mourns during his funeral in the central town of Hod Hasharon.’

    Obviously, Israeli suffering also merits compassion, but these military deaths were overshadowed by a far higher loss of Palestinian lives, most of them civilian men, women and children. The toll currently stands at 746 Palestinians killed and 4,640 wounded. Israel has suffered 32 military and two civilian deaths. One foreign worker from Thailand has also been killed.

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  2. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Yoza

    If you want this to stop then you would be far better to spend your time imploring Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israel.

    It really is as simple as that.

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  3. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    John Armstrong on Gerry Brownlee: Offer to quit should have been taken – Brownlee broke rules of his own portfolio with airport breach and must face music.

    The Prime Minister should have accepted Gerry Brownlee’s offer to resign his Transport portfolio for breaching airport security regulations.

    The Transport portfolio includes responsibility for civil aviation. If the minister responsible for the rules covering airport security cannot be bothered abiding by those rules, why should anyone else feel they have to.

    His being a minister also put airport security staff in a compromising position – and that is also unacceptable. As a minimum. John Key should have relieved Brownlee of the portfolio on a temporary basis until the Civil Aviation Authority’s investigation has ascertained exactly what happened – something which should take only a day or so at most. To some extent, however, Brownlee has – to his credit – pre-empted that investigation by admitting he was in the wrong and the one who is to blame.

    Like anyone else, Brownlee should not receive any special treatment and should face the potential legal consequences of his actions.

    Cabinet ministers, however, also have to set an example. Otherwise the rule of law is rendered meaningless.

    I think Armstrong makes a fair point.

    Brownlee has handed over responsibility of CAA to the Associate Minister but some level of reprimand should be seen to be given over this breach of airport rules.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Kudos to Kate Hawkesby for sticking up for her hubby. David Cunliffe has bought himself and Labour into a battle they cannot win.

    On Tuesday Cunliffe promised that he and his MP’s would “stick to the Labour knitting and make sure everybody hears the same stuff at the same time.” Now, it looks more like nit-picking…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/hell-hath-no-fury.html

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  5. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Another very funny week in G**zone politics. We’re certainly getting to know “Dave”; that’s for sure.

    Who would have thought that this is what he had in mind in terms of “letting people in”. Perhaps he would be best advised to let the people out again.

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  6. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Pete George – I would prefer to wait for the matter to be investigated before passing judgment. The allied issue is why the ‘secure’ areas did not seem to be secure.

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  7. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    Sent an email to Gerry this morning shortly after 6.00 am to express my disappointment and to say I would be holding him to account if the next round of polls show a dip in National support. Impressively, a reply- full of abject apology- received from him by 7.00 am. Pretty good and clearly sincere from him. Keep on wearing the hair shirt, Gerry. John Key does not need this kind of thoughtless nonsense 2 months prior to the election!

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  8. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @PG
    Hands up those that don’t think domestic air travel security is laughable.
    So the airports that turbo-prop aircraft land at have no security whatsoever but this is OK?
    So turbo-props are harmless compared to a 737?

    Yes there are the rules.. the rules… the rules.. we must have the rules….

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  9. OneTrack (3,087 comments) says:

    KS – Labour are sticking to their knitting – gotcha politics., whining about every thing, complaining the all the news media are not as supportive as Campbell, etc

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  10. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Like anyone else, Brownlee should not receive any special treatment and should face the potential legal consequences of his actions.”

    Hello Mr McCready!

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  11. oldpark (316 comments) says:

    Three cheers for Cunliffe coming out of the closet,proving once and for all he really is the coward of the county.Running scared so afraid that in the TV debates John Key might ,expose his completely lack of common sense and leadership.One would think Cunliffe would go on the Labour Party Channel TVNZ.After all the same channels premises that allowed Cunliffe and his sycophants run Labour Party meetings,all paid for by the NZ TAXPAYER.Cunliffe is using Mike Hoskins as an excuse to duck debating election issues with John Key.

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  12. Harriet (4,967 comments) says:

    Yoza#

    “That’s what it’s like,” says the daughter, “and it never ends.”

    The son, a teenager, says, “It’s all I’ve known my whole life. Rockets falling. Mortars.”

    “Thirteen years!” says the daughter, “What country in the world would put up with that? Thirteen years of rocket attacks? Would the Americans let that happen to I don’t know, San Diego, New York?…Texas? For thirteen years? Would France put up with that? Would England? What do you think Putin would do? And we’re supposed to ‘show restraint.’ Show restraint?! How much more restrained can we be? For thirteen years we’ve been under attack! Even after the last two operations in 2009 and 20012, when there was supposedly a ceasefire.”

    “What ceasefire?” the mother says. “Every month Hamas would fire a rocket here, a rocket there, ten rockets, twenty in a month….”

    “And Israel said, well it’s only a few rockets a week, so we can’t react to that,” says the son.

    “A few rockets a week? Is the whole world insane?” the daughter says, Are they all crazy? Listen to that, only a few rockets a week and for them that’s normal! That’s how we’re supposed to live! Only a few rockets a week! Only what they call a drizzle of rockets! And we were restrained. We didn’t do anything because after all it’s only a few rockets! And I don’t even care about the rockets! But the tunnels, now! The terrorist tunnels. Right out there!”

    She points to her front door, “Right out there!”

    “You know what happened here today?” the son says.

    “They tried to attack again. The terrorists.” The daughter says, “They came up out of a tunnel that just opened up in the ground. The army got some of them but then said that two were still on the loose so they tell you to go into the fortified room and lock the door.”

    “Do you have any weapons in the house?” I ask

    “What weapon?” she says, “They have anti-tank missiles with them! Anti tank missiles that can rip a tank apart and kill everyone inside, except this isn’t a tank. It’s my home!”

    “So why do you stay here?” I ask.

    “It’s our home!” the son says.

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  13. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The old maxim has come true.

    Hand over too much power to someone and they begin to act as if the normal restraints no longer apply to them.

    Brownlee’s (the Commissar of Christchurch) actions were inevitable.

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  14. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s hypocrisy exposed again

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11298630

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  15. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    If you want this to stop then you would be far better to spend your time imploring Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israel.

    By RICHARD SALE, UPI Terrorism Correspondent
    June 18, 2002

    Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/

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  16. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Pete George (22,755 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    I like Gerry – always have, and have stated I think he is one of the better National MP’s. But on this one, although he was right to apologise, I don’t think it is a sackable offence. However, I do think the matter needs to be dealt with in the same way it would have been handled if it was you or I that had done the same. The public, especially given the last few years of parliamentary games, needs to know that our politicians are just as accountable for mistakes as we are.

    It is a tricky one, because of Gerry’s responsibilities and therefore his assumed knowledge. When a police officer commits a crime they are frequently dealt with in a harsher manner, because they, more than others, know the law, and in their position are regarded as role models. That could apply to Gerry. However, should he, a fallible human being, be treated differently, when all are ‘equal’ ?

    If the matter is dropped, and Gerry is not charged, it will follow him through his career. Gerry is certainly between a ‘rock and a hard place’ on this one – and joins the many people that in order to save a couple of minutes will spend a lifetime apologizing.

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  17. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    The trougher should have said money instead: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11298596

    Farewell to another racist: go away, Pita Sharples.

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  18. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “This is no minor matter. Avoiding security screening is a serious offence which carries a fine of up to $3000 and up to two months in prison.

    Like anyone else, Brownlee should not receive any special treatment and should face the potential legal consequences of his actions.

    Cabinet ministers, however, also have to set an example. Otherwise the rule of law is rendered meaningless.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&obj
    ectid=11298716

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  19. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Hosking is as politically bent a commentator as one can be, however that is somewhat irrelevant to hosting debates as hosts should be operating to a set format of questions and topics – and thus have little room to manipulate what occurs. Cunliffe and Labour must know this – so why this non issue sideshow?

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  20. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Four times in recent days, Hamas fighters emerged from the tunnels in the vicinity of Israeli civilian communities. Hamas sent teams of fighters (dressed in Israeli uniforms) into four tunnels from Gaza that came up not far from dining rooms of several kibbutzim inside Israel. The concrete-lined structures are stocked with materials, such as handcuffs and tranquilizers that could be used on hostages. They wanted to grab or kill as many civilians as possible. For them, success means killing or abducting the enemy, grabbing a headline, not building anything.
    Other tunnels in northern Gaza are designed for the storage and firing of missiles at Israeli cities. Hamas and Hizballah have not built anything but tunnels and bunkers. Al-Qaeda and its copy-cats have not built anything, not a road or one school. Most of the imported cement in Gaza has gone to line tunnels two or three miles long.
    The resources devoted by Hamas to this project are staggering, particularly in view of Gaza’s extreme poverty. By one Israeli account, the typical tunnel cost $1 million to build over the course of several years, using tons of concrete desperately needed for civilian housing. By design, many of the tunnels have entrances in the heavily populated Shijaiyah district, where the Israeli offensive has been concentrated. One was found underneath al-Wafa hospital, where Hamas also located a command post and stored weapons, according to Israeli officials.

    These are the people Yoza supports.

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  21. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    The sub-Standard divas are outraged Key is on the cover of Rugby News magazine: http://rugbynews.co.nz/

    It is a shame that the cost of the magazine will not be counted towards National’s election spend. Because a clearer example of party propaganda you will never see.

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  22. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    It wasn’t that long ago that Israel had settlements in Gaza. Now I get why they pulled them out, aye andy?

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  23. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    No mention at all on Kiwiblog on yet another interest rate rise by the Reserve Bank?

    Perhaps National Party supporters are trying to pretend that Governor Graeme Wheeler was wrong to act to tame the rampant inflation cause by the big spending National Government. These rate rises reflect just how poorly the Nats have been leading our government over the past 6 years with eye-watering house prices caused by their open door immigration policies and an economy an government drowning in debt.

    The scary thing is, if the economy keeps on crashing as the dollar tanks, I worry people will vote in the even further left Labour Party and things will go from bad to worse rather than vote for the two parties who might actually put country before party and stop trying to bribe the electorate with money we haven’t got on things we can’t afford.

    Memo to the Nats – Inflation does not cause growth
    http://mises.org/daily/6691/Inflation-Does-Not-Produce-Economic-Growth

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  24. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    To anyone who is interested here are the videos ad draft transcripts of veledictory speeches from two MPs who have represented their constituencies very well.

    Hon Dr Pita Sharples – Valedictory Statement

    Hon Tariana Turia – Valedictory Statement

    Both are widely respected for how they have represented their people.

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  25. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    jackinabox (558 comments) says:

    “It wasn’t that long ago that Israel had settlements in Gaza. Now I get why they pulled them out!”

    Yep, Gaza is Judenrein again, like most of the Middle East.

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  26. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    @ Manolo – as as they sit there, feeling sorry for themselves, the polls continue to fall. Matthew Hooten tweeted yesterday morning that private polling of 150 voters on Wednesday night had Labour at 17% support. The old jokes about the Greens becoming the main opposition party suddenly don’t seem so funny.

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  27. tom hunter (4,805 comments) says:

    The BBC are pro-Israel? That must come as a hell of shock to its journalists and editors?

    Fortunately for Yoza there’s always Al Jazeera. Some of their current news highlights:
    – UN shelter in Gaza ‘struck by Israeli shells’
    – Has Israel committed war crimes in Gaza?
    – Israel facing new divestment support in US
    – In Pictures: Destruction and devastation in Gaza
    – In Pictures: Childbirth under Israeli attack
    – Israeli court rejects Bedouin request for bomb shelter

    And that’s just the website. The live channel is even more focused. It’s all Hamas all the time, which is exactly what you’d expect from the country that funds Al Jazeera – and also fund Hamas. And Al Jazeera has global reach, in the case of NZ a reach that exceeds that of the BBC. I’m watching Al Jazeera on Freeview NZ right now and they’re often playing in the Auckland City Council waiting rooms I visit, rather as CNN was over a decade ago.

    I’m sure Yoza will be glad to know that the awful pro-Yid BBC is not on Freeview NZ.

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  28. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Lance – Current airport security requirements arose out of 9/11 especially noting the larger the plane the more damage it is capable of inflicting. If turbo-props are to be included the issue becomes where should the line be drawn – should all flights be subject to security? Presumably as airports are re-modelled, security arrangements will be streamlined and perhaps a higher portion of flights will be subject to security.

    In NZ’s case the issue becomes one of whether domestic flight security is necessary anyway, presumably NZ would become excessively vulnerable if it dropped such security.

    There could be similar thoughts about the need for security agencies in NZ. But if something major occurs, the question arises of why the matter was not foreseen or in the event of a major crime why investigations were hamstrung by over-restrictive laws.

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  29. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    It was all surreal last night on TVone news
    Cunliffe was bleating and moaning about Hosking etc and Russell Norman was saying it was all no big deal.

    So when did the Greens become the voice of reason and Labour become unhinged?

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  30. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Their people
    That is the problem.
    Its us and them for Maori.
    We have a government for all of us.
    Not one for us and them on racial lines.
    Apartheid.

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  31. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    Why aren’t they making more of the Labour ICT policy?

    I mean, they’re going to have a review of stuff, give us some more regulation and they’ve invented a new buzzword (Digital Citizenship! woo-hoo! When do we get our new Bullshit Bingo cards?).

    Surely the man without the red scarf and the Dunedin bag-lady are the team to take Labour to victory with this triumph.

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  32. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    bringbackdemocracy – that’s been exposed all week. What the article you link to exposes is a potential loose canon in the Conservative candidate ranks.

    Steve Taylor has already openly exposed the identity online so he has breached the suppression order. He would have found it difficult taking it further than that because no media would want to publish it.

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  33. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Go over to the standard Lance.
    They haven’t “become unhinged” they are unhinged.

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  34. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    @ Judith (8.29am) – I agree. It’s a stupid error by Brownlee, but it’s not by any means a hanging offence politically. He’s done the right thing by taking full responsibility, and by specifically exonerating both his staff and the ground staff at the airport.

    If the CAA decides he should be prosecuted, as with John Banks years ago for using his cellphone on a plane, then go for it; no one is above the law. I’m sure he would plead guilty at the first opportunity, and take his medicine.

    And I think John Key has done the right thing not accepting the resignation offer, although I note that Brownlee has passed over the Civil Aviation component of his portfolio to Michael Woodhouse. Interestingly, Labour resorted to type yesterday with a series of jibes around Brownlee’s girth; the very behaviour Cunliffe has prohibited. It was all pretty light-hearted, but demonstrates how much Cunliffe has hamstrung his MP’s with the Sledge Pledge.

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  35. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    Yoza– Regarding the coverage of the fighting in Gaza I would have said that the BBC is pro Hamas as is most of the coverage that we get from British news channels.

    However you can always go to TV3 where the Palestinian bodies are shown and named, particularly those of dead children and the grieving relatives are shown and their grievances are aired. Until recently the Israeli dead were not shown, however I think last night on TV 3 they did show the coffins of the dead soldiers and their grieving relatives.

    However the biggest show of bias towards Hamas is that rockets have been firing from Gaza into Israel for years. This receives no coverage in the news. It is only when Israel retaliates that there is news – “Israel attacks Gaza”.

    Please understand this clearly. The fighting is because of Hamas which for years has fired rockets into Israel. If they stopped firing rockets into Israel then the fighting would stop. Surely you can understand this?

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  36. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – one more question for you – are you a Muslim?

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  37. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    @KS: Labour appears to be falling so fast that even P.G.’s UnitedFuture or, Heaven forbid, Colin’s Conservatives, could overtaken them soon. :-)

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  38. Yogibear (365 comments) says:

    If Cunliffe is going to “let people in”, he’s going to need one of those quirky Air NZ in-flight safety videos.

    With particular emphasis on pointing our where the emergency exits are.

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  39. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock at 8:58 am

    @ Judith (8.29am) – I agree. It’s a stupid error by Brownlee, but it’s not by any means a hanging offence politically. He’s done the right thing by taking full responsibility, and by specifically exonerating both his staff and the ground staff at the airport.

    It’s poor timing for such an error too. Some people, I think, are suspicious of multi-term governments (irrespective of hue) developing a sense of, I don’t know, arrogance, hubris, entitlement, whatever. Such behaviour feeds into such suspicions.

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  40. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    You’re being deliberately dishonest again Manolo. Lying seems to be one of your main aims here.

    It’s your Conservatives isn’t it? Colin’s fan boy?

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  41. mandk (992 comments) says:

    @ Lance

    A good strategy for the Greens would have been to shift slightly to the right of Labour in order to become the Opposition-in-waiting. However, it’s probably a bit late for that now.

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  42. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Greens are shifting as right as they can, or at least to the centre. A policy released this week, extending Early Childhood Education (20 hours a week) to two year olds is targeting middle New Zealand.

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  43. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    @mandk – If Labour’s activist base have dragged their party across to the left, how easy do you think it will be for the Greens to get their activists to allow them to move right? Never going to happen, is it?

    The current situation is tailor-made for a centrist / populist party like NZ First to pick up a chunk of votes, unfortunately Winnie’s obviously past it. In his prime, he’d have been in the 12-15% range IMO

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  44. tom hunter (4,805 comments) says:

    Greens are shifting as right as they can, or at least to the centre. A policy released this week, extending Early Childhood Education (20 hours a week) to two year olds …

    Shifting right is extending government to more of the population?

    Perhaps this could be explained by showing what shifting further left would look like in the context of childhood education.

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  45. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Free education (to an extent) is supported across the political spectrum. National have policy for extending free Early Childhood Education.

    Left/right/centre is relative in practical terms. Greens are clearly targeting what are regarded as centrist or middle New Zealand voters.

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  46. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    I am always surprised to see people aligning so completely with one side or the other in the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Both sides of the debate focus on a very narrow view of the conflict, and a very recent one at that. Comparing body counts or rocket attacks in the last four years attempts to simplify a very complex & vexing issue.

    I support neither Israel nor Hamas, but empathise with their causes and losses. A few basic observations that I would draw:
    * The mess of control, occupation and conflict has raged for over 2,000 years, though more dramatically in the last 100 years since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
    * Loss of life in the conflict is tragic, regardless of which side of the border it occurs on or the ethnicity of the victim. Numerically, these are certainly skewed in one direction due to the large disparity in military and economic strength.
    * Both sides of the conflict have successfully demonised the other, and even if a magical solution were presented today there would be a toxic hatred on both sides that would last for generations
    * The political will of both sides of the conflict speak of desiring peace, but their actions tell a different story. Both antagonise each other goading further conflict.
    * Outside vested political and religious influences further inflame the issue. Case and point the amount of economic and military aid provided by the USA in the region: (amounts in USD for 2012 year)
    – $3.1B to Israel
    – $1.4B to Egypt (incidentally, the USA has recently ‘unlocked’ $600M in military aid to Egypt in the last month)
    – $1.1B to Jordan
    – $0.5B to West Bank / Gaza

    I do not see it being resolved in my lifetime outside of a large scale regional conflict that either destroys Israel or Gaza & West Bank are absorbed within Israel.

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  47. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ EAD – You seem to think that the National Party controls the Reserve Bank?

    RBNZ is independent based on long-standing monetary policy conditions. It is not subject to the whim of government ministers.

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  48. Tarquin North (295 comments) says:

    You may have come up with something new here Pete, A right leaning communist. And while I’m at it WineOh, the reserve bank is controlled by the Aussies – just ask Asenati what’s her face from Winston First. She’s an expert on the subject.

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  49. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    EAD – i’m surprised the OCR went up again. I have to admit though, my mortgage is locked in for a few years so i didnt pay much attention..

    then i noticed our dollar. wtf? on the back of the reserve bank saying our dollar is too high?

    how long til people remember the US is at 0% and we are at at 4%. the dollar will bounce me thinks.

    Thats Dimes simplistic view anyway!

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  50. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    National have policy for extending free Early Childhood Education.

    …and the most common criticism of National, that you get around these parts is…?

    Trying to extend beneficiary status into the middle class (for want of a better descriptor) is not, and never will be “a move to the right”.

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I don’t think either of those two things are very likely at all, WineOh. Israel’s military capabilities easily outmatch its neighbours’ combined strength, and will so for the foreseeable future. Israel could conquer and annex Gaza and the West Bank but wouldn’t want the Palestinians forming part (possibly even a majority) of its population. No, the conflict will drag on interminably at a low level punctuated by these small scale wars.

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  52. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    @dime – the commodity prices that back our dollar have come off their peaks a bit, so it’s not really surprising that the dollar do the same.

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  53. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ Dime, I didn’t read the full commentary from the RBNZ, but my understanding is that they advised this was the last rate rise for the immediate future, that the dollar has fallen indicates to me that the market had priced in further increases later in the year, and combined with the fall in dairy prices would support a drop in NZD vs USD.

    @ Tarquin, LOL.

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  54. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    James – true. i forget our dollar is quite strong cause we are doing ok. i always think its cause of the US’ weakness..

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  55. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ miken, yes I agree absolutely. As I said, I don’t see it being resolved in my lifetime.

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  56. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    Looks like Orwell’s nightmare is becoming America’s reality under Obama as it descends further and further into a Police State with the public mere fodder to a brutal police force:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703549/Shocking-new-video-shows-NYPD-officer-choking-suspect-police-commissioner-ordered-bottom-review-choke-hold-police-following-death-Staten-Island-father.html

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  57. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Dave Mustaine from Megadeth is loving Obamacare.

    I guess its doing what they want it to do – everyone is fucked!

    “I had the surgery on my neck and I was going to get a doctor’s appointment yesterday to get a CT scan, ’cause I’ve got a pinched nerve, and they said, ‘Well, we’ve gotta apply to see if you can get approval for a CT scan.’ And I said, ‘You know what?! I’m a freakin’ millionaire, and for me to have to go in there and ask somebody to get an X-ray? Shame on you, guys. ‘Cause if you’re doing this to me, what are you doing to the middle-class, what are you doing to the lower-class people?’ I was a poor kid, but that stuff pisses me off.”

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  58. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    @ dime – our economy is fundamentally stronger than America’s(which isn’t saying a lot!)

    In times of economic stress the USD is a go to currency as people take flight to safety. I think this is the smart money moving out of small economies into the supposed safety of the greenback in times of geopolitical uncertainty.

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  59. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

    Nice to see Rugby News politicising and denigrating the All Black jersey by putting a man who was never an All Black on it’s cover in an All Black jersey in a frankly partisan political piece of sycophantic endorsement.

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  60. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    @ wineoh “that the dollar has fallen indicates to me that the market had priced in further increases later in the year” – good point.

    Dime requires another 2mill US dollars between now an April.. last week i locked in another 500k @ 86something.. 500k to buy on the spot market.. maybe i should have locked it all in. doh.

    fuck it, ill hold my nerve and wait for the bounce :D

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  61. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Nice to see Rugby News politicising and denigrating the All Black jersey by putting a man who was never an All Black on it’s cover in an All Black jersey in a frankly partisan political piece of sycophantic endorsement.”

    LMAO i was at the England test in June. I saw a bunch of people “denigrating” the AB jersey by wearing it. None of em were ever all blacks! its almost like the jersey is for sale in shops ffs

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  62. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Yes, PeoplesFlag. Instead, it would be lovely to see the socialists tight five: Silent T, Phil Goofy, Duckie Mallard, Captain Mumblefuck Shearer and Full Moon King.

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  63. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Dime, $2M buys a lot of loose women, especially with the weak US economy.

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  64. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    supposed safety of the greenback

    Supposed is a good word. James Cameron hasn’t bought half of the Wairarapa just because he likes making films in New Zealand. That’s “crash proofing” advice straight out of Peter Schiff’s books.

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  65. tom hunter (4,805 comments) says:

    Left/right/centre is relative in practical terms

    So if a political party pushed this childhood policy further – lets say to 40 hours per week for all children or whatever counts as the maximum government intervention in this area – one could say that party had pushed further to the right, perhaps even to the far-right?

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  66. jcuk (684 comments) says:

    If Gaza was free of the border restrictions and its people could move around the world as most of the rest of us then they would have no reason to be firing rockets and the conflict would end …. obviously there would need to be restrictions on the militant types who want to destroy Israel and sweep her into the sea but for the normal rational folk there should be no restrictions other than what the rest of us face.

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  67. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Nice to see Rugby News politicising and denigrating the All Black jersey by putting a man who was never an All Black on it’s cover in an All Black jersey in a frankly partisan political piece of sycophantic endorsement.”

    Translation: “Why can’t we have a leader who looks natural in an AB’s jersey, instead of that weepy, whiny, apologising for being a man, metro-sexual we have to put up with for another 12 weeks!”

    :) :) :)

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  68. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Dime, $2M buys a lot of loose women, especially with the weak US economy.”

    it also buys many containers of quality chinese imports :D

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  69. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    Peter Schiffs “Crash Proof” and “How an economy grows and why it crashes” are two of my favourites perhaps unsurprisingly…..

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  70. OneTrack (3,087 comments) says:

    If Gaza would stop importing and firing rockets there would be no need for import restrictions.

    FIFY

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  71. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I think the ‘left/right’ dichotomy is no longer particularly relevant to New Zealand, or indeed global politics.

    We try desperately to categorize particular policies into these old concepts, however, fail to accept that the vast majority of the population cannot be slotted into them. We have ‘workers’, now strongly opposed to unions, who however are critical of free trade agreements and many big business practices. We have big businesses, that operate on a similar concept to communism, by sharing their profits with their workers, and so on.

    I do not believe that any of our main political parties are solely left or right – and in fact perhaps that is what is wrong with post-modern politics, that as the community is no longer strictly one way or the other – political parties are having to morph themselves into some sort of prism that reflects the vast and differing attitudes of the general public – each of whom possesses a mix of the old ‘left and right’ political stance/s.

    I see the government, and oppositions scrambling under MMP to provide for everyone and anyone, who might be able to assimilate at least in part, with some of what they are proposing in a scramble to win votes – to win an election, to do what?
    Because without those old ‘left and right’ guidelines, no one is or can be sure exactly which direction any of them will take us in – or in deed, in which direction any of us want to go – given that most support both left and right policy at times.

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  72. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    It’s the feudal Muslims dragging the world down.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10989576/Social-media-fuelling-surge-in-back-to-the-dark-ages-religious-persecution-Lord-Sacks.html

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  73. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘It’s the feudal Muslims dragging the world down’
    That’s not what Lord Sacks said.

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,222 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 10:22 am
    “Why can’t we have a leader who looks natural in an AB’s jersey, instead of that weepy, whiny, apologising for being a man, metro-sexual we have to put up with for another 12 weeks!”

    Oh I think John Key will be around for a bit longer than 12 weeks, although I do agree, with his sunken chest and pathetic biceps, he is certainly doesn’t look natural in a AB Jersey. Personally I don’t think the ‘looks’ or physical attributes of our leader/s are much of a worry, as long as they are healthy, I’m more concerned with their honesty and integrity.

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  75. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    From A beginner’s guide to NZ politics:

    Conservative Party: Colin Craig is staring at you with those deep dishy eyes, and if you call him loony or mad or bonkers or wild or nuts, he sayeth unto you: I know you are but what am I?

    His bottom line – bottom! – is that referendums returning more than two-thirds support for something or other shall be binding. Polls show more than 98 per cent of people do not particularly want the Conservative Party in Parliament.

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  76. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,095 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    It wasn’t just Labour that resorted to passing jibes regarding Brownlee’s girth. There were a fair few on here, some Nat supporters among them that made some funny remarks. Let’s face it, Gerry would have found them just as funny – the one thing Gerry doesn’t do, is hide behind his proportions, he is realistic about what he is, and doesn’t take offence at all, often being the first one to make the joke.

    I thought the funniest I read was that Gerry should have claimed that once he had the ‘momentum’ it was too hard to stop in time for the security doors! ** we have to keep smiling – its all us lefties have remaining **

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  77. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Don Quixote, aka Peter George, the fabled Mother Teresa of Dunedin, continues his crusade against the imaginary danger of Craig’s Conservative Party.

    The anti-male paladin should be reminded that he has nothing to fear.

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  78. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    And Mother Mary Manolo continues her crusade.

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  79. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    EAD (585 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Oh come on EAD. ! Police excesses are not uncommon in the US or other jurisdictions including ours . They’re certainly not unique to Obama’s tenure and its moon bat craziness to describe the incident as an Orwellian nightmare or generic police brutality everywhere .
    Not of course if your into Conspiracy and other associated kinds of paranoia.

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  80. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Pete George (22,764 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    … Polls show more than 98 per cent of people do not particularly want the Conservative Party in Parliament…

    Sadly, and as strange as it is, something that I’m sure would defy every rule of quantum physics (not that I know anything about quantum physics) under our current rules regarding MMP, those 2% may very well not only get what they want, but actually be the deciding factor in every piece of legislation before the house in the next three years.

    And we immunise against the measles – is there an injection we can have to immunise us against ‘the Craig Plague’?

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  81. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    A Silent T government would implement a similar policy: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2014/07/8549536/state-agencies-launch-lgbt-data-collection-effort

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  82. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    jcuk- “If Gaza was free of the border restrictions and its people could move around the world as most of the rest of us then they would have no reason to be firing rockets and the conflict would end …. ”

    Well that is an opinion but not one borne out by the facts. The facts are that Israel does not occupy one square inch of Gaza. The facts are that Israel does had border restrictions because otherwise terrorists from Gaza would come over and kill many Israelis. The facts are that Gaza spends a huge amount of their resources making tunnels so that they can go into Israel and cause mayhem – the kidnapping and murder of 3 Israeli teenagers recently being a case in point.

    The facts are that the rulers of Gaza, Hamas want to destroy Israel, that is the reason for their existence and is an explicit part of their founding charter.

    So the rulers of Gaza do not accept the existence of Israel. Their stance is not contingent on what Israel does, whether it opens its borders or not. The only thing Israel could do that the rulers of Gaza would accept is to cease to exist. That’s what Hamas wants. And they are pledged to wage war until they achieve their goals.

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  83. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (13,332 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    So you will be first to sign my petition to make paying income tax optional, will you? I expect getting the quota of signatures will not be too difficult, and I’m pretty sure the referendum would be duly supported. Of course it would cripple government, but, well, as Colin says, referendums must be binding – no exceptions.

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  84. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    That’s a great photo on the rugby news. National should put up a few billboards outside the main rugby grounds, sure to hit a chord with a few voters who otherwise don’t take much notice.

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  85. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    How long before Iwi impose a fee for visits? It’s supported by Len the Lecher support, so it could be a dodgy deal.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11298135

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  86. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – one more question for you – are you a Muslim?

    In religion there are a lot of people who claim to be affiliated with a particular group but don’t have any real attachment to its core beliefs and values. As a result the more devout followers tend to get tarred with the same brush as the hypocrites. Also, it is a lot easier to manipulate people by arguing that they should behave in particular way if they want to belong to the social order – the politics of organized religion.

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  87. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Polls show more than 98 per cent of people do not particularly want the Conservative Party in Parliament.”

    lol based on polls?

    so

    “Polls show 100 per cent of people do not particularly want the United Future Party in Parliament”

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  88. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “It’s the feudal Muslims dragging the world down”

    It’s the sin in all our hearts that has dragged the world down.

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  89. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    @Judith: Fortunately I am impervious to nutters such as Colin Craig and yourself. End of story.

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  90. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Outside of “the bow-tie with a man attached, walking purposefully around Johnsonville Mall” there is a distinct and terminal lack of interest in UF.

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  91. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Out in the wilds of Helensville yesterday – it was interesting to see that John Key’s electorate hoardings were just calling for the National PARTY vote! That’s the one. Why would the good folk living in the Helensville electorate waste their ELECTORATE vote on John Keywhen he’ll be Number One on Nationals Party list and get in anyway? Seems that John Key can’t be too interested in the Helensville ELECTORATE seat when he’s just focused on the PARTY vote? I am. Kind regards Penny Bright :)

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  92. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,224 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    It’s all reative Shawn. If one doesn’t know its a sin, or think of it as a sin, is it still a sin? If someone thinks their neighbour’s wife is a bit of okay, and wouldn’t mind a bit of the old rumpty bumpty with her, does that still come under the ‘coverting the neighbour’s wife’ sin – even though many don’t see anything wrong with ‘looking’ but not ‘touching’? And just how would that ‘drag’ the world down? (providing he doesn’t tell his thoughts to his own wife – in which case the rest of the world would be his least worry).

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  93. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Fortunately I am impervious to nutters such as Colin Craig

    Very funny Manolo, that’s a bit contradicted by your frequent rushes to Craig’s defence.

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  94. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog (2,094 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    And best of luck to you Penny. The people of Helensville need active representation and a member of Parliament that is there for them … I hope you are successful, I applaud people that are prepared to stand up and be counted for what they believe in. It takes guts far greater than posting a few comments on a message board to do it. Good on you! :-)

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  95. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – thank you for your reply. Based on your answer would you see yourself as one of the more devout followers of Islam?

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  96. Lucia Maria (2,416 comments) says:

    Russians are firing missiles into Ukraine:L

    WASHINGTON—The U.S. believes Russia is firing artillery across its border at Ukrainian military positions, the State Department said on Thursday, an assertion that Moscow is playing a more direct role in the Ukrainian conflict.

    The latest accusations show U.S. officials raising pressure on Moscow and more closely examining Russian activities near the rebel-held portions of eastern Ukraine since the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which Washington blames on pro-Russian separatist fighters.

    State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf also said the U.S. has evidence that Russia intends to deliver powerful rocket systems to the pro-Russia fighters in Ukraine, but declined to provide details about the systems or about how officials came to that conclusion.

    “We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions,” Ms. Harf told reporters at a news briefing, calling the findings “some pieces of info I’ve been able to get from our intelligence friends.”

    Russia has repeatedly denied supporting the separatist fighters. Moscow denounced as fantasy previous charges by Kiev that missiles fired from Russia brought down two Ukrainian military planes on Wednesday.

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  97. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (13,335 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    So you keep saying, along with comments about how you are sick to death of my inane posts, and yet you keep reading them, when you have the option not to. Can I suggest that you remove my name from your ‘nutters club’ and insert your own, next to Craig’s, because after all, to keep doing the same thing (reading my posts) and expecting a different result, is a common definition of insanity.

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  98. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Perhaps somebody can correct me if they know the actual figures re the OCR increase and the effect on Mortgages.
    I understand that only something like 40% of dwellings actually have a mortgage.
    And this is what the Banks fight over – nothing else matters because a bank has only one job – to lend money.

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  99. Igotta Numbum (463 comments) says:

    Just seen the latest Green’s billboards, and their campaign…. you have got to be joking?!

    Negative attacks like this are going to backfire on them big time (and I’m happy about that).

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  100. Don the Kiwi (1,749 comments) says:

    The pro-Muzzies are complaining about the closed border between Gaza and Israel, and about a blockade that is causing widespread unemployment and poverty in Gaza.

    Tell us – why is the border with Egypt closed – or very closely monitored?

    Why is Egypt as concerned as Israel WRT the Hamas led government in Gaza?

    If Israel is constantly condemned, why isn’t Egypt also?

    Just a few questions for the blinded Muzzi supporters.

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  101. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Apparently, the IDF deserve the Noble Peace Prize, at least according to Israeli ambassador to US, who also compared the Hamas rockets attacks on Israel to Nazi bombardment of Britain during WWII. That he was able to say this with a straight face is a testament to his level of psychopathy.

    a quick fact check

    Israeli deaths due to Hamas rockets attacks since 2001: 28 (well, that is according to wikipedia)

    Palestinian deaths in latest conflict: Over 600, 150 babies

    The Blitz -about 43,000 civilian deaths

    How’s that for proportionality?

    Some Israelis do seem to have gone insane.

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  102. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Igotta Numbum – it surprises me that Greens have gone so negative with their hoardings, and you have to look hard to see it’s Greens. They must have researched this but I have my doubts how effective it will be.

    Here are their billboard graphics:
    https://twitter.com/NZGreens/status/492458695792394240/photo/1

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  103. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,768 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    One of the signs of a successful visual campaigns is having people notice them – either negatively or positively, the simple fact they have drawn attention is good.

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  104. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi (1,587 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    The pro-Muzzies are complaining about the closed border between Gaza and Israel, and about a blockade that is causing widespread unemployment and poverty in Gaza.

    Tell us – why is the border with Egypt closed – or very closely monitored?

    Why is Egypt as concerned as Israel WRT the Hamas led government in Gaza?

    If Israel is constantly condemned, why isn’t Egypt also?

    Just a few questions for the blinded Muzzi supporters

    Now the generals are back in charge in Egypt they do whatever the godfathers in Washington tell them to do, although I can’t recall the Egyptians shelling any hospitals, schools or UN buildings.

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  105. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Dean Papa , in terms of casualties and proportionality in respect of the Gazan and other conflicts one has to factor these kind of considerations,

    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-

    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-scho

    That is not by any means unique . In addition Hamas does not provide air raid and bomb shelters for its people.It seeks maximum propaganda effect from the mounting toll of casualties in Gaza. If you and e.g Yoza are anything to go by ,their succeeding beyond their wildest dreams .

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  106. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    It seemes that in April Cunliffe was happy to do an election debate with Hosking.

    Audio of Labour leader David Cunliffe speaking to Newstalk ZB’s Tim Fookes in April and stating he will happily take part in an election debate with Mike Hosking.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/listen-on-demand/audio/tf-david-cunliffe-says-he-ll-debate-with-hosking-25thjuly2014

    This seems to be par for Labour’s course.

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  107. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703938/The-West-sympathetic-Israel-Britain-s-warning-Netanyahu-concerns-grows-rise-civilian-deaths-Palestine.html

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  108. lilman (957 comments) says:

    Penny pay your rates you dishonest person.

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  109. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    stephie, Hamas has acted to refute accusations that it uses humans as shields.

    It built weapons storage underground and uses tunnels to move (weapons, troops and) rockets to where they are fired. Rather than fire from civilian areas.

    This allows Hamas militants and the IDF to fight over the tunnels, rather than in built up areas.

    However Israel continues to fire into Gaza City and risk civilian lives there – despite this being the area where civilians from other areas closer to the border retreat to for safety.

    It might claim that with fewer border restrictions it would have had the resources to build underground shelters as well. But if they did Israel would simply accuse them of building them by underground storage areas to use the civilians as human shields for these underground weapons storage centres.

    The main problem is that any military resistance by a group confined to a heavily populated area involves civilian risk, to either life during military conflict or to economic activity under border lockdown.

    While the Hamas gun remains in control of Gaza nothing will change. As Israel has no policy to end this control by Hamas a co-dependent relationship exists. One both parties are happy to continue.

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  110. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    There are reporters in Gaza who have been telling the truth about Hamas using hospitals et al as places to store weapons or as command centres and who been threatened for saying so.

    On Wednesday, Peter Stefanovic of Australia’s Channel Nine News tweeted: “Hamas rockets just launched over our hotel from a site about two hundred metres away. So a missile launch site is basically next door.”

    And

    At the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, crowds gathered to throw shoes and eggs at the Palestinian Authority’s health minister, who represents the crumbling “unity government” in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The minister was turned away before he reached the hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israel-held-its-fire-the-militant-group-hamas-did-not/2014/07/15/116fd3d7-3c0f-4413-94a9-2ab16af1445d_story.html

    ANd

    Wall Street Journal correspondent Nick Casey tweeted on Tuesday a photo of a Hamas official using Shifa hospital for media interviews, writing: “You have to wonder w the shelling how patients at Shifa hospital feel as Hamas uses it as a safe place to see interviews.”

    By Wednesday, the tweet was deleted, but pro-Palestinian Twitter accounts continued to include him on lists of “journos in Gaza [who] lie/fabricate info for Israel” and “must be sued for crimes.”

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  111. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Proportionality? You do not just give a slap on the face to a home intruder. You hammer the crim hard.
    The Jewish state should teach a very harsh lesson to those violent jihadists and followers of Islam.

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  112. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Recordings of IDF phoning Al-Wafa hospital to make sure no one is inside.

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  113. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Manolo, are the civilians of Gaza criminals?

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  114. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Online polls are usually of very dubious merit but this is one of the more useless examples on Stuff:

    Will you be voting in this year’s General Election?

    – Yes, I always vote – 1034 votes, 92.5%
    – Not this year. None of the parties represent my political views – 61 votes, 5.5%
    – I never vote – 23 votes, 2.1%

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/

    People who don’t think any parties represent their views and especially people who never vote are unlikely to be reading Stuff’s political page and are unlikely to vote in a self selecting poll.

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  115. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Those wanting to see an end to the Gaza conflicts should watch the Egypt Gaza border scene.

    If Israel takes over the Egypt-Gaza border they can dig down and take out the tunnels coming from the Egyptian side.
    And or Egypt takes out tunnels on their side of the border.

    then weapons supply to Hamas will dry up.

    Any other result and this conflict will recur.

    Gaza needs rebuilding and improved infrastructure for civilian well being and these two things should occur together.

    How the resources come in and are not used by Hamas for military purposes is the constraint on Israeli consent.

    Presumably it means monitoring use of supplies coming in.

    But first Israel has to give up collective punishment.

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  116. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    I note that the trailer for porn film 50 Shades of Grey is out today and news presenters seem all enthused about it and people can’t wait to see it. The One News female presenter was beaming just now and she announced it. Anyone would think it was The Hobbit. I just can’t understand it. Have society’s morals fallen so far that everyone is so looking forward to this pornography that has somehow been mainstreamed?

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  117. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Yoza ,

    “Now the generals are back in charge in Egypt they do whatever the godfathers in Washington tell them to do, although I can’t recall the Egyptians shelling any hospitals, schools or UN buildings.”

    Godfathers in Washington .?? Your obviously overdosed on Russia Today or is it Global “Research .”

    Nor can I recall Egyptians using Hospitals , Schools, UN Buildings etc for munition storage dumps or to launch Rockets and mortars.

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  118. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Apparently, the IDF deserve the Noble Peace Prize, at least according to Israeli ambassador to US, who also compared the Hamas rockets attacks on Israel to Nazi bombardment of Britain during WWII. That he was able to say this with a straight face is a testament to his level of psychopathy.

    a quick fact check

    Israeli deaths due to Hamas rockets attacks since 2001: 28 (well, that is according to wikipedia)

    Palestinian deaths in latest conflict: Over 600, 150 babies

    The Blitz -about 43,000 civilian deaths

    How’s that for proportionality?

    Some Israelis do seem to have gone insane.

    From the Guardian:

    “In all the years they have been swooping over the border like useless fireworks, the primitive rockets that Hamas fires at Israel have killed hardly anybody. They scare people, close supermarkets, disrupt business and increase insurance premiums. Of course it is hard to live under even a remote threat, and the damage done to young children especially should not be underestimated. But this is not the blitz, or anything like it.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/21/guardian-view-futile-war-gaza

    The opposing view:

    Contrary to Guardian claims (that “hardly anybody” has been killed by these “useless fireworks”), at least 20 Israelis have been killed in Gaza rocket attacks since 2001, and 15 have been killed in Gaza mortar attacks. (sources: here, here, here, here, here, and here). Over a thousand Israelis have been injured in such attacks.

    http://cifwatch.com/2014/07/23/guardian-likens-hamas-rockets-to-useless-fireworks/

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  119. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    A fifth-columnist at work. Give me the poor says the Messiah’s administration: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/americas/administration-weighs-plan-to-move-processing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html

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  120. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    Hamas boasts about human shield policy.

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  121. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    kowtow, as a means for people to human shield their own homes by being on the roof so the IDF knows they are still there and have not left. It is interesting that Hamas places so much confidence that the IDF will not hit these homes if they know people are at home.

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  122. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Yoza,

    Godfathers in Washington .?? Your obviously overdosed on Russia Today or is it Global “Research .”

    You seem to have conveniently forgotten how Obama and his chums tried to foist Mubarak’s chief of secret police on the Egyptians after they overthrew the dictator. No surprises democracy didn’t last with seedy old Uncle Sam lurking in the background.

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  123. tom hunter (4,805 comments) says:

    Now the generals are back in charge in Egypt they do whatever the godfathers in Washington tell them to do

    Poor old Yoza. For all his blather about “new” media sources he simply cannot break free from the thought-patterns of the 1980’s Far Left because they can’t.

    The good news for Yoza, although he won’t believe it, is that basically every group in Egypt is now pissed off with the USA. The generals feel Obama betrayed them in not opposing Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in the first place. The MB feel that Obama betrayed them by allowing the generals to retake power and not punishing them through de-funding. That last one saw some hilarious legal gymnastics as the Obama administration desperately avoided labelling that takeover as a military coup, which it so obviously was, because that term was written into law and would have caused an automatic funding stop. And this anger is not confined to the leadership of the Generals and the MB, it’s there among the grass-root supporters of both groups, covering the vast majority of the Egyptian population.

    Just one example of the fallout is that the generals have recently sought to strengthen ties with Russia after four decades of keeping them out in the cold, and also gave Kerry the cold shoulder when he turned up the other day to try and negotiate a cease fire between Hamas and Israel, as they have done to repeated efforts by Kerry and other State Department diplomats since last year.

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  124. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Yippee
    http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/nzta-welcome-draft-consent-puhoi-warkworth-motorway/5/197348
    The holiday highway has draft consent.
    Eventually I will be able to get to the holiday home quicker without the dome valley mess and all the losers who have batches east of Warkworth getting in the way. Omaha residents can eat my shorts.

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  125. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Cunliffe should be wary of mixing wine with politics by now but a photo shows him taking one as a gift.

    [DPF: Link deleted.]

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  126. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Judith (7,502 comments) says:

    July 25th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Is the coveting covert or something?

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  127. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    In more news from the religion of peace, Jonahs’ Tomb and Associated mosque blown up by ISIS.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/webtv/reports/2014/07/25/Video-shows-Jonah-s-tomb-in-Mosul-being-blown-up-1280.html

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  128. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “Have society’s morals fallen so far that everyone is so looking forward to this pornography that has somehow been mainstreamed?”

    Yes and a lot of it is because dimwitted and poorly educated citizens don’t know the difference between being a Libertarian and being a libertine.

    (..and no doubt this comment will attract attention from those poor confused ill-raised lemmings who drift to amorality like moths to a flame, and as they can’t tell the difference between the two concepts above, neither can they discern the difference between disapproving of something and introducing legislation to ban it.)

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  129. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @goldnkiwi (986 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Wow – you went through all these comments just to find one of mine, so you could point out a spelling mistake. And what’s more you do the same thing with obsessive regularity. You must have a really ‘interesting’ life if that is the most interesting thing you can find to spend your time on out of all these comments!

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  130. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Good music, Sam Smith and Mary J Blige-

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  131. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (562 comments) says:

    I see Whale Oil is claiming a blogger close to Peter Dunne has broken name suppression. It’s almost like the show grounds over there at the moment. They want you to park there but then you have all dicks in white coats banning you.

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  132. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Whale Oil is wrong on two counts. I think he’s just stirring – and protects his agenda by banning alternate messengers.

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  133. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Everyone here has some sort of agenda Reid. Some more than others, don’t they.

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  134. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Sorry Pete, deleted it. Thought better of it.

    Yes, everyone does have agendi. It’s a bit disingenuous though to self-righteously criticise someone for having one at the same time you’re running a strong one yourself though, isn’t it.

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  135. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    :lol:
    I see
    knowing who is under name suppression and also knowing who is alleged to be close to united future……
    I looked and couldn’t see any reference to a crime under name suppression or any link that would be makeable without prior knowledge.
    At what point does ” it ” become a crime? what is “it”

    Whale all be fucked.
    :lol:
    I cant be fucked with your beef whale more like it.

    Whale apparently has a fleet of moderators
    just like the standard ….EH……

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  136. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    I tuned into One Network News tonight. Lasted ten seconds as I couldn’t understand a word Simon Dallow was rambling on about…
    Top service TVNZ-Whose taxes pay your wages again?

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  137. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “They want you to park there but then you have all dicks in white coats banning you.”

    Hey hey, its a REPUTABLE blog didn’t you know?

    (I often wonder where Slater managed to find such pompous and sycophantic dicky lickers as those he employs as “moderators”. Such spineless amoebas would have to be extremely few and far between. Or so one would hope.)

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  138. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (562 comments) says:

    I think Whale Oil has a real issue here as he is claiming this blogger has broken name suppression yet the article implies nothing of the recent case. He’s saying, it’s over there but don’t look.

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  139. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Seen Whale Oil on TV the other night does he have a real job yet or still leaching a benefit?

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  140. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Tell us about the moderation on true blue nz redbaiter
    what is your policy on dissenting voices ?
    Do you welcome debate redbaiter or is your blog only for those who sycophantically arse lick agree?

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  141. stigie (1,164 comments) says:

    That blog is not for progs/cowards/imbeciles/filthy commies Griff !~

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  142. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    what is your policy on dissenting voices ?

    Its on the blog you blind bore. (bottom right)

    (My policy on Kiwiblog illiterates is to show them some degree of pity and help them out when absolutely necessary, but in the main ignore the rambling incoherent dropkicks.)

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  143. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Just imagine if Mr Farrar said this ” blog is not for progs/cowards/imbeciles/filthy commies” . Only red and myself and a handful of other bloggers would be here.

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  144. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    ….”Its on the blog you blind bore. (bottom right)”…..

    Look harder Griff…..it was probably hidden by cobwebs & tumbleweeds. :)

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  145. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    @ Judith (7,509 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    “It’s all reative Shawn.”

    No it’s not.

    “If one doesn’t know its a sin, or think of it as a sin, is it still a sin?”

    Yes.

    “If someone thinks their neighbour’s wife is a bit of okay, and wouldn’t mind a bit of the old rumpty bumpty with her, does that still come under the ‘coverting the neighbour’s wife’ sin”

    Yes.

    “even though many don’t see anything wrong with ‘looking’ but not ‘touching’?”

    I don’t believe right and wrong are defined by popular opinion.

    “And just how would that ‘drag’ the world down? (providing he doesn’t tell his thoughts to his own wife – in which case the rest of the world would be his least worry).”

    It’s the cumulative effect of sin over generations that drags the world down.

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  146. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “While the Hamas gun remains in control of Gaza nothing will change. As Israel has no policy to end this control by Hamas a co-dependent relationship exists. One both parties are happy to continue.”

    Israel is losing too many soldiers so it has stepped up the deliberate killing of women and children by shelling UN “safe havens” in an effort to induce the US to call for an immediate ceasefire.

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  147. Rowan (2,291 comments) says:

    Dad4J
    Agreed this blog would be greatly enhanced if DPF permenantly banned quite a few of the regular brainless trolls here like big blouse, griff etc

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  148. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Judith (7,509 comments) says:

    July 25th, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    Well since they are both words with different meanings I was just checking that you were saying what I thought you meant. ;) It can be confusing you know and frequently you are sanctimonious. I do also think you get your affects and effects mixed up too, but then I guess that gives you an out and speaking of too’s, they are often missing also but I do not always point it out specifically as spelling mistakes are different to wrong words.

    I am sure as an ‘academic’/tutor that you would wish to be a shining example to lesser mortals and would wish to appear professional, I would expect that if my papers were being marked, I would be corrected or don’t you do that?

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  149. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Indeed Rowan, the brainless trolls are worthy of pity.

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  150. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Longknives

    You do know that Dallow has Maori blood?

    Having said that, I am bloody glad that Maori Language week is almost over. I can go back to watching the weather forecast without having to guess what part of the country they are talking about.

    Did you notice that Sharples said in his valedictory speech that Maori will be the first language of NZ within thirty years. All I can say there is that Mr Sharples (assuming he lives that long) is in for a big disappointment.

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  151. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (987 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    I am sure you would expect all sorts of things – however, you are set to judge only from your own experience, which from what you have said, is not in the same area or even close to it.

    The students I deal with are adults, we do not correct the errors you talk about, in fact, we do not correct anything – we comment on their theoretical arguments, adherence to their thesis, supporting arguments and so on, as to whether they have sufficiently answered or covered the requirements of the assignment. Their overall mark reflects their presentation, but as adults, we expect them to already have the necessary standards to present a piece of work of an adequate standard for their particular level. They lose marks if it is not up to an overall standard. We are not their to teach spelling or grammar – they are expected to know that – or get assistance from the appropriate student support service, if they need that sort of assistance.

    In my discipline we don’t wipe bums and noses – I guess from your comments Law students are more needy.

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,225 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    So then its not actually the sin itself, but the perception of the sin? Is that what you are saying?

    Because people perceive that sins have or are being committed? I’m a bit lost on this – I’m presuming ‘dragging the world down’ means a degrading of societal values, promiscuity and such? Or are you meaning something different? I’m genuinely interested. I found your comment interesting and thought provoking.

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  153. stigie (1,164 comments) says:

    Im sure DPF gets a bit of a laugh out of us progs,imbeciles,commies etc…thats why we are not banned.

    Lighten the fuck up and have a giggle ?

    If we wanted to be banned, we would go over to the Stranded !~

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  154. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Judith

    Is it true that you are firing up the beast and heading down to Wainui for the weekend?

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  155. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Well said Stigie. Some of those commenting about bans and the like would do well to remember that this is possibly the only site they can still visit.

    You may not like the rules at the standard (I totally understand why) but the reality is that the site belongs to the pinko’s and as such they set the rules. To comment there you have to play by their rules (which are subject to change without notice)

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  156. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    What would be the use of a blog where everyone agreed?

    There is much to be learned by seeing alternative opinions. It’s easy to become so set in our own ‘worlds’ that we fail to see or appreciate the experiences of others. As mouthy and argumentative as I am, I learn a lot from this blog, which is why I come back here. There is a lot of thought provoking, and interesting information given on it – by some really intelligent people.

    Never be afraid of an alternative view – it is when everyone is agreeing with you, that you are more likely to have wandered into a psyche ward.

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  157. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Judith

    ….” but as adults, we expect them to already have the necessary standards to present a piece of work of an adequate standard for their particular level. They lose marks if it is not up to an overall standard.”…..

    Some of the grammar & spelling employed by so called professionals is a shocker. I had a run in with our eldest granddaughter’s year 6 pedagogue a while back……there was no wonder the kid wasn’t up to scratch with her written work. The teacher was functionally illiterate.

    My question….in your opinion would it be possible to obtain a BA with a level of written English not much better than “text speak”? It’s either that or she bought it on the internet.

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  158. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,223 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Did the sun rise in the west today?

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  159. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    “If we wanted to be banned, we would go over to the Stranded !~”

    What do you mean Stigieeee? I am not banned at the Standard. At least they don’t have stupid thumbs over there.

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  160. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Don’t be like that Judith. I can see you living the life of a farming lady. Casting a glimpse over your 200 odd acres of a morning before firing up the Senator (in red of course) and zooming over the hill into civilisation to start another day.

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  161. stigie (1,164 comments) says:

    Yes D4J, just agree with that lot and you will be fine ole chap !~

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  162. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @nasska (10,628 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Indeed it would be, although I have to say that I send work back to be re-written if the standards are unreadable, especially those using txt language – but I do warn my students that it is not acceptable and if they try it, the will not get away with it – however, many lecturers don’t have those standards and we are requested to be flexible. I’m more likely to refer students on to student services, but I know there are a lot that don’t.

    There is no way, that in an english speaking country her standards should be so low. I realise that on here I make lots of typing errors and such, but I am not presenting a formal document to an audience of academics. When it matters, spell and grammar checker are my best friends, and I employ an editor to check anything I have published.

    But, to answer your question – sadly yes, it is possible to get a BA with very low standards, however, to be a lecturer one has to have completed (or should have) post-graduate study. Presenting an inferior quality document to your peers, would not pass the grade and would soon be rejected. I do not know how the person you mentioned has got as far as they have, perhaps they are just lazy and can’t be bothered?

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  163. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Having just had a conversation with Pete from Whale Oil it would appear that they are doing their best to dump me in something:

    What’s the game today Pete? Mind letting us in on the strategy? Our readers are speculating.

    Someone can pay your fines, but you have to do your own jail time you know.

    While they claim that others are trying to set them up. Ironically they have done more to dump themselves than anyone else has by trying to be too clever with their hit job.

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  164. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,224 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    I think I’d get very jealous of the sheep BB, and drive over the Wainui hill everyday? Do I really come across as that mad? The last time I drove over that hill in winter I applied the brakes and ended up on the opposite side of the road in a very undignified position!

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  165. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    How do I find the numbers for self employed versus wage and salary workers?

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  166. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    “Yes D4J, just agree with that lot and you will be fine ole chap !~”

    Where did I say I “agree” with what is said at the Standard? You missed my point however I don’t normally engage with trolls so enough said.

    Pete George I think you’ll find Whale Oil has run out of his medication.

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  167. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Wasn’t a lecturer Judith…..just a fat ignorant arrogant bitch teaching primary school kids.

    As far as she was concerned she had the degree, she was a teacher & what she considered was reasonable English was okay. The BoT & the Principal eventually saw the light & the kid was going to Intermediate the next year anyway but I shudder at thinking of the damage she has done to pupils since then.

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  168. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I do not bother reading Whaleoil now unless it is quoted on here, and I only ever ventured to the Standard once, and realised I was way out of my league. I pride myself on making simplistic issues complicated, but some of them have made it an art form.

    The Whale is a certainly in need of medication – I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed such a bitchy male – again, although a prize bitch, I also feel totally surpassed by Slaters high grade of bitchiness. Which is why I stay here – it allows the inner bitch to shine, without feeling someone’s going to pee on my powerpole.

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  169. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (10,629 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Sadly there are many just like her, don’t get me started on school teachers. As a mother, I never met one I could agree with. My kids used to say to the teacher that ‘threatened to phone’ their mum – to go ahead – if they dare!

    Unfortunately many believe that a B.A is some sort of optimal qualification. It is not. It is only of use if it accompanies prior learning from work or life experience, or is going to be added to by practical experience – as a qualification of sufficient standard to teach others – I don’t believe its enough.

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  170. ex-golfer (161 comments) says:

    Oh well Pete – your attempt at being clever is just not all that………….errrrrrrr, clever – you really need to learn to lighten up.
    I would have thought someone that wanted to get in to politics (your failed attempts) would have had thicker skin.
    But you appear to react to the smallest and most pointless things.

    In 3….2…..1…….

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  171. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    stigie (897 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    If we wanted to be banned, we would go over to the Stranded !~

    Banned? You’d be castrated. Even I’m scared of them, and I’m a leftie!

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  172. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I wonder if the poster above thought about the legal risk he was bringing on innocent parties by all his reckless linkwhoring….

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  173. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    I have never been banned at the Standard. Even though I don’t hold back there.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/amnesty/#comment-604427

    I’m banned at Whaleoil for calling Slater an arsehole, which I think makes him far less tolerant than the Standard. But then again, it was never really about the arsehole comment.

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  174. Tauhei Notts (1,710 comments) says:

    Judith,
    Were you serious when you wrote;
    “we are not their to teach spelling or grammar”.
    My second brother, now aged 68, went to school to eat his lunch. But there is no way he would write anything like that. He became a woodsman because his School Certificate marks were so low. Nowadays he is astounded that a dumb bloke like him needs to correct the grammar of university graduates.

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  175. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The scandal of fiddled global warming data
    The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

    12756 comments

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

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  176. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    “I’m banned at Whaleoil for calling Slater an arsehole”

    But Slater is an “arsehole” and good buddy with John Key. I suppose they both got the same psych doctor.

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  177. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Colville, try the Census info at Statistics NZ.

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  178. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Tauhei Notts (1,604 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    Oops, obviously got the wrong ‘there’ there! Sorry didn’t proof read. I touch type at a very fast pace but are not very accurate. I am aware of which ‘their’ goes where!

    We are told, as part of our training that it is not up to us to correct spelling or grammar mistakes, unless of course they are so extreme it renders the document unreadable. We can however deduct marks for them, and naturally make comments about the poor standard of spelling, and the need to use spell checker etc.

    Of course a lot depends on the particular discipline, and even the subject under consideration.
    Personally, I believe the secondary school system should sort this sort of thing out. Most university students are simply not prepared enough to undertake the study they do. When I was young a person had to have University Entrance – proof of their level of competence. Now the focus appears to be more on money, and providing they pay their fees, no one cares whether they can actually succeed or not. Many are set up to fail.

    Believe me, despite being an academic, I didn’t get my first degree until I was 32. I had plenty of life experience, and that has shown me time and time again, that all the study in the world, cannot replace practical experience. The most intelligent and knowledgeable people I know, have never set foot on a campus.

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  179. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    With you on that Tauhei. I was booted out of school when I was sixteen & worked as a driver then as a cocky since.

    Even I’d cringe to write some of the stuff you can get in a business letter. :)

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  180. OneTrack (3,087 comments) says:

    nzherald – “Mr Cunliffe said Hosking’s apparent endorsement of National “raised some questions that TVNZ will want to very carefully consider.””

    Is it just me, or is Cunliffe threatening TVNZ?

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  181. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    nasska (10,630 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    The only reason I went to university was because at the time it was decided that unless you had the relevant pieces of paper for the job I’d been doing voluntarily for years, that one could no longer do it! So I trotted off and got the piece of paper, and promptly changed my focus!

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  182. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    The recklessness occurred elsewhere, making false claims and deliberately making it easier to link two separate stories while trying to claim the credit for a “breaking story” which they know was broken days ago – still openly displayed on an unrelated blog.

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  183. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    ….”I’m banned at Whaleoil for calling Slater an arsehole, which I think makes him far less tolerant than the Standard. But then again, it was never really about the arsehole comment.”…….

    I know Baity…..it was when they found out that you were wanking ticks. :)

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  184. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has made up with TVNZ.

    Cunliffe accepts TVNZ assurances

    Labour leader David Cunliffe says he has accepted Television New Zealand assurances about presenter Mike Hosking and has dropped his objection to appearing in a live televised leaders’ debate with Prime Minister John Key.

    Cunliffe said today that TVNZ had assured him Hosking would be scrupulously fair and apolitical in the way he conducted the debate.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10311391/Cunliffe-accepts-TVNZ-assurances

    Deliberate or not (by TVNZ and/or Cunliffe) it ensures there will be plenty of attention on the debate.

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  185. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    The mouldys are running scared..the spotlight is about to be shone on them…

    http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2014/07/25/3377/

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  186. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    I know Baity…..it was when they found out that you were wanking ticks.

    No it wasn’t you uneducated hillbilly.

    That allegation was a cowardly and completely unproven lie made up to cover for the fact that my comments (that frequently attacked Slater’s positions on the redefinition of marriage) were far more popular than any comment Slater himself ever wrote.

    It was Slater’s weak vanity and the slobbering cowering crawling of Pete his moderator that lead to that falsity.

    As you well know, or though others reading your smears probably don’t.

    You’re an evil slimy little coward who can post any outrageous cowardly slander here without a skerrick of conscience and always with the meaningless and disgustingly false smiley at the end.

    Not to mention the ever present and overwhelming smugness, which is actually far more irritating than your penchant for fabrication.

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  187. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    Pete George and his sidespick Judith is running scared as well looking at the downticks..
    Maybe because 1law bagged the snot out of his man friend Dunne

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  188. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    This NZ Rolf (as WOBH is calling it) situation is a farce and his post on ‘someone close to Peter Dunne” is just as farcical. The whole nudge nudge wink wink is really grating. You’d have to have the IQ of the village idiot or not have opposable thumbs not to know who it is by now if you were even slightly curious.
    Following my hmm hmm intuition I was surprised to see that on facebook Cam Slater is now friends with NZ Rolf, when I asked WTF my comment was deleted.
    The more I visit other sites whether they be left or right the more I come to realise the freedom & tolerance DPF offers is far from the norm & is something to be treasured not abused.

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  189. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Was it something I said Baity? :)

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  190. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ starboard (2,465 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Running scared, or peeing himself with laughter?

    I think most kiwis are ‘over’ new political parties at this point in time. I think KDC’s effort was a ‘bridge too far’ and anyone else is now just so far ‘out there’ that even if they had a great message – it would be totally ignored. There is a time for everything – and now, dare I suggest, is not your time. But best of luck anyway – I still think if you’d called your party “none of the above”, you’d do really well.

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  191. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Piss off narsekisser flea. What a jerk you are. Red is correct about you.

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  192. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    The stakes a very high for party start-ups now. Unless you have multi millions to finance it the media won’t be interested. And without tv, radio and print approval and coverage it’s next to impossible to gain any traction. That’s the reality of our democracy.

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  193. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    The mouldys are running scared..the spotlight is about to be shone on them…

    http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2014/07/25/3377/

    Good news indeed Starboard.

    Hope they get up.

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  194. Steve (North Shore) (4,559 comments) says:

    Pete George wants his mummy.
    You own your own shit sunshine, you got out of line and now crying.
    You have a BLOG Pete George? no you don’t, you have a repeater station that you link to. DPF pulled you up today and now you are having a sook.
    Saw my fucking cock off, a whinger of the first degree when the links to his blog get cut

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  195. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Steve (North Shore) (4,492 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Nice to see you Steve – always good to see your happy smiley disposition shine in your comments. Such a little ray of sunshine! :-)

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  196. stigie (1,164 comments) says:

    Must have been something you said Nasska…but what may i ask ?

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  197. Nostalgia-NZ (5,190 comments) says:

    So Cunliffe ‘accepts’ TVNZ assurances. Fantastic.

    After backing down on the right for him to spend time with his children he postures about a potentially unfair debate. The guy can’t seem to work out that most people think for themselves whether an interviewer appears to be favouring one side or the other – they will take that into consideration. Cunliffe is so negative at the moment. He could have been upbeat about Hoskins, let others make the noise and publicly proclaim that he was confident because he had the message nzers wanted to hear.

    I can think of a couple of possibly inappropriate descriptions, like the ‘favoured’ panty waist from the limp wristed, though ‘mummy’s boy’ sort of does it.

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  198. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    They will Red Im sure..if not this time round , next. My sights are on the Conservatives , some great newspaper ads out last week getting their message across. Key will be sniffing around soon enough once he realises he has fuck all friends.

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  199. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    Shouldn’t you be in bed Judith with ya false teeth sitting in a glass beside you?

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  200. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Agree Starboard. As they did last election, the Conservatives will get far more votes than the Maori Party, but they don’t have the benefit of a rigged and racially selective electoral system as a means to get a seat or two.

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  201. Steve (North Shore) (4,559 comments) says:

    Nice to see you Steve – always good to see your happy smiley disposition shine in your comments. Such a little ray of sunshine! :-)

    Are you hitting on me Judith? Can you wait for a while please? Like Sept 21st is a good day.
    And I will get a great Birthday gift, my Birthday is Sept 20th, whoop whoop :)

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  202. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    How many times now has Cunliffe made a stance on something and then had to back down, apologise or change his position?

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  203. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ starboard

    Have trouble with people who don’t agree with you Starboard? Must make living in the real world quite challenging for you? Do you really think abusing members of the electorate is going to win you support? You’ve just proved you don’t have what it takes to be a politician.

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  204. Steve (North Shore) (4,559 comments) says:

    Come on Pete, come have another sook, the united front are here to cry with you

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  205. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    Silly old spinster..off you go Judith its past your bedtime..

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  206. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Wow, I didn’t know ‘Grumpy old Men’, is a recognised syndrome, Uncle Google just told me.

    I also didn’t realise they were holding their monthly meeting in KB tonight.

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  207. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Steve (North Shore) (4,494 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    The best birthday presents are the surprises!
    I’m sure you’ll get just what you wanted Steve, I already know I’m backing the unlikely nag – but I have to live with my conscience, and I couldn’t do that if I supported your team – (no I’m not hitting on you dear – you just aren’t that lucky :P )

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  208. Steve (North Shore) (4,559 comments) says:

    Seems ‘Starboard’ is back after a long time.
    No red port left Mr Starboard?
    ps what out for the trolls, they are still here

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  209. Nostalgia-NZ (5,190 comments) says:

    ‘How many times now has Cunliffe made a stance on something and then had to back down, apologise or change his position?’

    He doesn’t have to back down. That’s his flaw. He doesn’t have power on the front foot or back. That’s something that isn’t taught, but which is innate or learnt through tough experiences. Most recently he comes across as responding to what the spin doctors are telling him when things are getting tight. Some one strong enough would tell them to f off and lead from instinct – win or lose on that.

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  210. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Judith did you post under the name of sonic a few years back?

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  211. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    Misplaced ya bottle Steveo…ah well try the shed , might be some meths out there..

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  212. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Don’t think that lots of Helensville folk are too enamoured with the Auckland ‘Supercity – Super RIPOFF’ that was railroaded through Parliament under the John Key led National/ACT Government….. Bigger contracts for fewer but bigger private contractors – in my considered opinion – a corrupt corporate coup – the mechanism being Council (sorry -CORPORATE) Controlled Organisations (CCOs) with their Boards of unelected business people, looking after the interests of the 1%. Follow the dollar http://www.committeforaucand.co.nz. membership. Can’t wait to be inside the House – asking the HARD questions no one else is – under ‘Parliamentary privilege’ :) Kind regards – Penny Bright

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  213. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dad4justice (7,737 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    No, I used to post under the name Ginny, but I forgot the password, and as I no longer had the email address associated with it, I had to start a new ID. Only ever been me in here, my other personalities exist only my head …

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  214. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Come on baity you know I went to your cesspit of tea bagging once already this year. I asked about moderation because I have no intention of taking your stats up higher then a totally irrelevant arse licking club deserves by actually visiting twice in the same calender year. That and I just eat dinner and didn’t want to puke at the redneck whack content.

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  215. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    “Can’t wait to be inside the House ”

    You will do well in the cess- pit of parasites.

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  216. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Opps, gotta go, 7 days is on, and its the most factual political commentary on the TV – must go catch up with what’s really happening in the world.

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  217. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    http://1law4all.com/maori_party_objection.htm

    stupid mouldys

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  218. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    I want to wipe my arse on the treaty of waitangi and ask mouldys in our local tribe why don’t they have to pay tax? Is that why the mouldy elders are at the races every week day? Stupid white boy hehehe said Rick Tau. Rot in hell bro. Haha.

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  219. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10310656/Bus-driver-bashed-unconscious

    Inept judge farish apologises to scum criminal before sentencing her to jail. This judge needs a kick in the arse and stood down.

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  220. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Looks like we have a new tag team on GD — Don Quixote from Tauranga, tilting at windmills and Sancho Panza from Chch — small bald man on a donkey making assinine comments (the small bald man – not the donkey).

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  221. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Judith,

    “o then its not actually the sin itself, but the perception of the sin? Is that what you are saying?”

    No, I’m saying it’s the sin itself. Perception is irrelevant, as a sin is the breaking of an objective law or moral principle.

    “I’m a bit lost on this – I’m presuming ‘dragging the world down’ means a degrading of societal values, promiscuity and such? ”

    Not exactly, I mean the full range of human evil, from the smallest lie to child abuse to mass murder or genocide. All the hurtful, selfish, oppressive, violent, abusive and evil acts we commit.

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  222. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    For Dj4 @ July 25th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    “I want to wipe my arse on the treaty of waitangi”

    Numbers 30:2: ‘If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.’

    “and ask mouldys in our local tribe why don’t they have to pay tax? Is that why the mouldy elders are at the races every week day? ”

    Leviticus 19:32: ‘Show respect to the elderly, and honor older people. In this way you show respect for your God.’

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  223. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    WWII referred to as the European Civil War: The EU cannot be serious?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2131484/House-European-History-museum-EU-serious.html

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  224. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Gulag , absolutely and fatuously absurd. iIs this some out of control mad PC stuff .? Was the “civil war ” against Japan somehow a side show.
    A gratuitous insult to the fallen.!

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  225. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    etephieboy
    Agreed.

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  226. deadrightkev (464 comments) says:

    Pete George spends a lot of time commenting about Colin Craig.

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  227. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    cha says at 12:51 pm

    Really…
    http://forward.com/articles/123925/rabbinic-text-or-call-to-terror/

    If this is another ‘but they do it as well you know’, you have missed the point spectacularly.
    Your link is some obscure text that, apart from a few religious nutters and people like you, nobody cares about.

    You (of course, yeah right) know that the verse I quoted is part of article seven of the ‘Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement’.
    The charter of an organisation that governs Gaza today, namely Hamas.
    As for “Remember Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews!”
    This was chanted by Turkish activists on the day before the Gaza flotilla confronted the Israeli navy and refers to the massacre of Jews in Medina.

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