General Debate 12 August 2014

August 12th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

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  2. Than (488 comments) says:

    Just a few weeks after Cunliffe said Labour would run a “Vote Positive” campaign, and it’s looking like being one of the nastiest elections New Zealand has seen in decades. The sole cause being the hard-left’s hatred (a strong word, but unfortunately it applies) of John Key.

    Opposition parties and left-wing activists have spent six years trying to vilify Key. They have been ignored by the wider public (as shown by Key’s high approval ratings), but certain segments of the left-wing have bought into the rhetoric and genuinely hate John Key with a passion. Dotcom has played on these feeling perfectly, whipping young activists into enthusiastic action. Racist billboard defacings and effigy burnings are just an extension of the “fuck John Key” chanting.

    Middle-ground voters were already very wary of Internet-Mana before these events and now they’ll be outright hostile. My prediction is that if Cunliffe doesn’t rule out working with them soon (not just “no cabinet posts”, flat out won’t work with them) Labour’s vote will drop drastically.

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  3. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Clooney’s fiancee to serve on Gaza rights probe

    British-Lebanese lawyer Amal Alamuddin, who is engaged to marry George Clooney, has been chosen for the U.N.’s three-member commission of inquiry looking into possible violations of the rules of war in Gaza.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11307487

    A UN probe?
    It’s surreal…..

    Is this UN the same organisation who ‘employs’ and pays thousands of Hamas (UNWRA) operators in Gaza who:
    ….use UN schools to store rockets?
    ….use UN facilities for tunnel entrances to attack Israel?
    ….use UN construction material to build the tunnels?
    ….use UN ambulances to transport terrorists?
    So the same organisation aiding and abetting Hamas will inquiry looking into possible violations of the rules of war in Gaza?

    Now how can anybody object to that?

    To round it off, they could ask Paul Thomas from the New Zealand Hamas to write the report, full of omissions, ‘clever’ half-truths and insinuations to attack Israel and bolster the ‘Make Israel History’ crowd.
    Then again, why pretend anymore?
    We are all Hamas now, Palestine Free from the River to the Sea!
    Alahu Akhbar!

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  4. duggledog (1,587 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe gives his Timaru candidate a ‘final warning’ for his comments about the Prime Minister

    You see, that’s the Labour way, when they get into power. Virtually impossible to get fired from your job. No wonder George Beyer is fuming about losing his job(s); in an ideal world, like during Muldoon’s caper, you just wouldn’t get fired for anything and if you did, you’d be welcomed with open arms into another pretend job.

    Dennis Horne – I suspect Jamie Whyte didn’t know about Whanau Ora because the millions and millions thrown at Maori annually just seem to become a gigantic amorphous blob after a while, and it’s been a while.

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  5. mjw (400 comments) says:

    It is interesting to see how three years of clever dick ‘gotcha’ politics has left some groups in society really angry.

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  6. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    If foreigners shouldn’t buy farms, should they be allowed to buy political parties?

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  7. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    Over in the UK, MPs are now calling for all wine and beer to have cigarette style warnings on them:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11024240/Wine-and-beer-should-have-cigarette-style-health-warnings-and-calorie-content-on-labels-MPs.html

    In our new world order of Western Politics, this idea will no doubt be raised in NZ but will not be in either National or Labours manifestos.

    In say 2 years, regardless of whoever wins the election we will have an onslaught from the media how we need to “protect our children” and “the dangers of beer and wine”. An MP will then put it forward as a “conscience vote” that we need labeling or plain packaging on all beer and wine. Labour and National MPs will then vote “independently” with an 80%+ majority to pass this bill and we will thus have the first progressive step towards the banning of alcohol. You heard it here first.

    The truth is, this is how liberty dies, with a thousand cuts, day after day after day no matter which team you vote into power in our increasingly one party state.

    “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” – Benjamin Franklin

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  8. duggledog (1,587 comments) says:

    You have to wonder whether the millions and millions of eyes looking hungrily and enviously at this country think ‘what an extraordinary country – comparatively one of the best, safest and cleanest in the world and half of the fools are now wanting to change government. Some condone and carry out burning effigies of their Prime Minister’

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  9. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    We are all Hamas now, Palestine Free from the River to the Sea!
    Alahu Akhbar!

    Hamas was created to oppose the movement to liberate Palestine, not to support it.

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  10. Ross12 (1,454 comments) says:

    The tweet on the right, on this blog from Conrad Hackett telling us that for everyone reporter there are 46 in PR helps us understand why the MSM is losing it. Everyone has to justify their existence so the reporters must be swamped with Press Releases every day.

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  11. Komata (1,200 comments) says:

    EAD

    Summed-up in the phrase: ‘We will have control’.

    Number 6’s response comes to mind….

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  12. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    It is commonly repeated that if David Seymour doesn’t win Epsom, ACT is finished because it will have no MP.

    Meanwhile out there in the real world, the Conservatives are doing fine as a party with no Mp.

    The natural conclusion is: without being propped up, ACT has no spine and – unlike the Conservatives – cannot survive without parliamentary prop-ups.

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  13. flipper (4,199 comments) says:

    Both Stuff, and that idiot Davidson in the Herald, are this morning trying to stoke the racism pot, equating Dotslob’s Hitler rally, the Jewish/Shylock comments and other remarks (Peters) with Whyte’s call for equality in in legal proceedings and allied matters.

    I note that the Minister of Everything, Gareth Morgan, is pontificating on Whyte, Devoy, Peters and their crossed swords over alleged racism.

    Typical of an economist of sorts, Morgan shows little regard for facts. He accuses Whyte of not explaining his position. But relies on media reports as his source. Really? The thing is that Whyte followed up his Hamilton speech with a slash at the pejorative media when speaking two days later in New Plymouth. The media ignored key parts of his Hamilton speech, and totally ignored Whyte’s New Plymouth rejoinder. They did run something on his subsequent , and his put down of Devoy.

    I have seen both speeches, and there is not a single racist comment – unless it is now racist to demand that every New Zealander should have equal rights and treatment in every legal situation.

    Then we have the stupid media-jerk reaction by Devoy to Peters’ cunning comments on wongs and wights – a remark designed as a big gobbly bait for the media. A bait promptly gobbled.

    Susie Devoy, a girl from the wrong side of the tracks in Rotorua, made a name in professional squash tournaments. She has an inferiority complex, relating to her home town life. I once knew her quite well, and enjoyed her company in our family homes. She has a temper, but is easily captured by those who want to bend her to their skewed views of the world – the HRC bureaucracy in particular. Interestingly enough Rodney Hide has now written to Devoy reminding her of his observations and advice at the time of her appointment. Sadly for her long term reputation (Will she be remembered mainly as the fighter who dominated women’s squash, or yet another failed RRC?)she has ignored both, and assented to bureaucratic capture. Well, it appears that way at this time.

    So the spotlight is now on personalities, with Devoy today throwing a threat at Whyte. Susie, you would do well to heed Keith Holyoake’s advice to new politicians, Judges and bureaucrats: “Breathe through your nose.”

    Lest it be thought that I am pushing an ACT line, let me make to clear that I have no association with that party, past or present, and do not plan any future embrace. But they do have good ideas on some things, including equality for all before the law, while those at present emanating from Rutherford’s HRC do not cut the mustard, He needs to take to his bureaucracy with one of Devoy’s old racquets. They, rather than children, need good spankings.

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  14. oldpark (377 comments) says:

    After listening to Newstalk ZB today I am convinced they have become the mouthpiece for the Party formed by a convicted money laundering crook wanted by the FBI a guy called Schmidz/Dotcon.The woman now known as Judas Harre who sold her socialist principles for a few pieces of alleged hot money.Newstalk has a person who not so long ago denigrated NZ women who weigh over 70Ks as Heifers and Lardos.In the early interview with Smalley and Harre who deserve each other, she got a lot of undeserved air time.Next in all the news bulletins Harre and her party have been given five star coverage.Seems hard to imagine that a party formed by a person to stop him getting deported to face criminal charges in USA, should become the holier than thou party, in the eyes of the just another radio station Newstalk ZB.

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  15. Keeping Stock (10,419 comments) says:

    The Herald will upset those in the War Room with its editorial this morning as it tears Labour’s “free GP visits for all over-65’s” policy apart, describing it as “unfair” and as being a “subsidy many senior citizens do not need”.

    This is yet another all-things-for-all-people policy from Labour that isn’t going to stand rigorous scrutiny.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/the-herald-on-labours-unfair-health.html

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  16. RRM (10,017 comments) says:

    And lo! Colin brought legal action down upon them, just as He said He would do.

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  17. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    @ Komata,

    read the comments section – I’ve always thought the Telegraph has one of the most perceptive right leaning audience in the world and they’re onto what their politicians are up to. Included are these gems:

    “MPs should have a health warning attached to them: MPs cause profound nausea, especially those with any sense of patriotism and/or objective truth.”

    “First they came for the smokers…Puritans, they just can’t bear anyone enjoying themselves, can they?”

    “When political parasites resort to pondering laws to prevent idiots from harming themselves then it’s safe to assume they have nothing better to do. I propose a new law: I propose that political parasites at every level in our society – from parish councils to The Great Fraud of Europe – be allowed to get together only once every two years and only for a period lasting no longer than six months”

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  19. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    Other_Andy (2,399 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:03 am
    Clooney’s fiancee to serve on Gaza rights probe

    A UN probe?
    It’s surreal…..

    So? Israel has utter contempt for the UN, Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ iMP (2,273 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    I guess that’s democracy New Zealand style iMP. When the least popular get to make a deal and therefore a minority get to influence the government more than another group who have been supported by more voters.

    I don’t like Craig, but if his party gets more votes than ACT, then they should be sitting in the house – these ‘deals’ are nothing but corruption in a pretty dress.

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  21. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Both Stuff, and that idiot Davidson in the Herald, are this morning trying to stoke the racism pot…

    Closely followed by:

    …Dotslob’s Hitler rally…

    Unintentional comedy is the best kind…

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  22. MT_Tinman (3,257 comments) says:

    iMP 08:17, You’re trying too hard mate.

    It is commonly repeated that if David Seymour doesn’t win Epsom, ACT is finished because it will have no MP.

    “commonly repeated” by whom?

    Certainly not by those of us who will vote ACT at the upcoming election.

    Not those of us who will vote for a right-wing liberal party rather than a totally confused conservative dictatorship.

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  23. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    Henry Wong put racism down to ignorance and believed New Zealand was one of the most progressive multicultural countries in the world.

    “Having lived in Australia and further abroad the racism in New Zealand is at a very low level.

    “New Zealand is a multicultral society which is well educated about all cultures and taught to listen to take into account everyone’s views. I am very happy I was bought up in that environment,” he said.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10373461/Two-Wongs-critical-of-Winston
    …..

    unlike China where Han Chinese make up 91.4% of the population.

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  24. Komata (1,200 comments) says:

    EAD

    Thanks. I had done so. IMHO, the Bread and Circuses allegory is perhaps an appropriate one in this specific situation although I haven’t yet decided who (currently) playing the role of Nero (I know, historical-inaccuracy and all that).

    Number 6’s response may in fact be too late, and in the warm water the frog is slowly ‘cooking’ …

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  25. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    They, rather than children, need good spankings.

    I always though spanking was the answer to everything. Goodness, there’s Conservatives and then there are just plain olde weirdos who feel it’s okay to come to a public forum and say something reeeaaallllyyyyy scary like that.

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  26. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    Again, Judith, you put your own embittered gloss on Key’s comments. The term “sugar daddy” has a much more generalised meaning than prostitute. In fact, I would suggest that your interpretation is quite untenable on the facts of this particular case. I doubt whether any person, hearing Key’s comments inferred that there was any sort of sexual relationship between her and dotcom.

    There is even a commercial case involving the interpretation of a memorandum of priority with the judge refers to “sugar-daddy largesse” in the context of the third party (commercial) assisting in the reduction of debt. We know you do not like Key the least you could try to exercise some degree of objectivity.

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  27. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Both Stuff, and that idiot Davidson in the Herald, are this morning trying to stoke the racism pot…

    Closely followed by:

    …Dotslob’s Hitler rally…

    Unintentional comedy is the best kind…

    Gave you a giant uptick for that one, but not quite as perfect as your last comment on the Shylock thread.

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  28. Tauhei Notts (1,747 comments) says:

    Free advice is usually worth what you pay for it.
    BUT
    I subscribe to an Aussie outfit that was very complimentary on NZ’s recent official cash rate rise. “The Kiwis are getting in before global interest rates rise.”
    I think the time has arisen that borrowers should seriously contemplate fixing their interest rates.

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  29. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I haven’t yet decided who (currently) playing the role of Nero (I know, historical-inaccuracy and all that).

    Substitute holidaying for playing the fiddle and Obama might fit.

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nookin (3,068 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Really Nookin ? You are going to start claiming people must apply some objectivity regarding politicians on Kiwiblog?

    Have you read the comments made about Harre, Peters, Hone, and so on? How come I don’t see you telling people that refer to them with the most disgusting statements and using a great amount of subjectivity in their comments, that they should be objective, or even how very racist, sexist etc their comments are.

    Your comment would be acceptable if you applied it across the board – but you don’t, which makes you a hypocrite, and worthy of nothing but being ignored. I also suggest you rethink your ‘suga daddy’ comment, and take a look at the use of the term in several popular movies that portray it to mean exactly how I have interpreted, and I might add, others have interpreted it.

    You blame my dislike of Key for my comments, have you considered your large degree of man-love for Key might influence yours?

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  31. smttc (761 comments) says:

    @ Judith 8.33am.

    You moron. It cannot be corrupt if it is within the rules of MMP.

    Get out of the wrong side of the bed again, did we?

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  32. questions (208 comments) says:

    Other_Andy says:

    “A UN probe?
    It’s surreal…..

    Is this UN the same organisation who ‘employs’ and pays thousands of Hamas (UNWRA) operators in Gaza who:”

    Thanks for your input Tim, but your premise is wrong, the UN does not employ Hamas, the whole premise of your argument is wrong, leading you to wrong conclusions, less WND.com next time perhaps?

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    smttc (694 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    I think you will find that the term corrupt is not defined to law breaking. It may be within the rules, that still does not make it ‘honest’. Honest would be if the people with the most votes, won the ‘prize’. Dishonest is when the people with the least votes ‘win’.

    corrupt
    kəˈrʌpt/Submit
    adjective
    1.
    having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
    “unscrupulous logging companies assisted by corrupt officials”

    2.
    (of a text or a computer database or program) made unreliable by errors or alterations.
    “a progressively corrupt magnetic record is usable nonetheless”
    3.
    archaic
    (of organic or inorganic matter) in a state of decay; rotten or putrid.
    “a corrupt and rotting corpse”
    verb
    verb: corrupt; 3rd person present: corrupts; past tense: corrupted; past participle: corrupted; gerund or present participle: corrupting
    1.
    cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
    “there is a continuing fear of firms corrupting politicians in the search for contracts”
    synonyms: bribe, suborn, buy, buy off, pay off; More
    antonyms: purge
    cause to become morally depraved.
    “he has corrupted the boy”
    synonyms: pervert, debauch, deprave, warp, subvert, make degenerate, lead astray, debase, degrade, defile, sully, infect, influence; More
    antonyms: purify
    2.
    change or debase by making errors or unintentional alterations.
    “a backup copy will be needed if the original copy becomes corrupted”
    synonyms: alter, falsify, manipulate, tamper with, interfere with, tinker with, doctor, distort; More

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  34. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    lol @ stuff. another article today telling women its OK to be a giant fatty.

    #fatkini is gaining popularity blah blah

    no worries fatties, you pretend to gain self esteem and we will continue not to have sex with you :)

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  35. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Gave you a giant uptick for that one…

    Really I should be ashamed of myself – Flipper’s such a big fat blimp of a target there’s no skill in baiting him.

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  36. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    The lefts hate of John Key = BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    There really is extreme hate out there for JK. The sort a lot of us had for clarke. The difference being the left are always more active (not exactly busy making money) so they do horrible shit to billboards etc

    Heres the thing – JK is in the centre! Wait until we get a Tony Abbot PM. Then youll know hate ya dirty hippies!

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  37. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    Does anyone believe this labour guy who said he didn’t understand what shylock implied he posted it and only head it from a friend the week before.

    who would post such a phrase in such a pejorative way and claim not to know its implications

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  38. smttc (761 comments) says:

    insider, Gibson is a bullshit artist.

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  39. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    Judith
    Where have you seen me condoning comments about Harre, Peters and Hone?

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  40. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    But dime that’s why you have to pay them money.
    Else it would only be the Roll in flour or DIY options.

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  41. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,530 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Just like women around the world continue to say no to their husbands with fat beer guts.

    If you can’t see your own willy when you look down, then expect to be celebrate, or at least don’t complain when your partner mutters her dream lovers name during sex. Yes, she really is pretending you’re someone else!

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  42. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nookin (3,069 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    I haven’t seen you criticize those posters, as you did me – therefore by omission, I presume you don’t have issue with their comments, or were you just singling me out because I don’t like John Key, and you can’t cope with that?

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  43. jcuk (713 comments) says:

    I am mildly disgusted at the caliber of a party candidates that they do not know who ‘Shylock’ was and the reason for general distaste of the character’s actions … perhaps I have an advantage having been educated in the UK BUT……

    The number of times I have heard the childish expression about wongs repeated on National Radio ‘news’ bulletins is also a pity … best situation would be to ignore the remark as a childish expression by somebody in their second childhood trying to appeal to others in that age bracket. As for racism in both cases … yeah right.

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  44. Keeping Stock (10,419 comments) says:

    @ Insider – not in the slightest, especially when he claims to have Jewish heritage himself. And here’s why.

    He’s only apologised for “Shylock”, not the full comment which, to refresh readers’ memories was this:

    “Shonky Jonkey Shylock..nasty little creep with the nasty evil and vindictive sneer…”

    If that’s how Steve Gibson communicates when he’s wanting to project a Vote Positive image, imagine what he’d be like if he got uptight and negative,m and said what he REALLY thought!

    The only thing Steve Gibson is sorry for is getting caught. Let’s also not lose sight of the fact that he made the comment on a Facebook post by David Cunliffe’s mate Greg Presland, who didn’t see the potential red flag for his boss. I guess that, more than anything, tells you how much senior Labour people detest John Key.

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,531 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Bullcrap – you righties were all over Clark’s hoardings like rats up drain pipes, and there was also a burning of a ‘Helen’ doll – but we seem to have forgotten about all that now – that was ‘then’ and back then little was made of it – which begs the question, who and why are some making such a big thing of it now – I think one only has to look at who benefits most, to know who is behind it.

    Let’s face it, Key is a man you either love and dribble over, or you hate and vomit over, there is very little in between ground, which is something he uses to his benefit. As long as the voters are concentrating on such issues, no one is asking him about his ‘policies’.

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  46. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    questions says at 8:57 am

    “Thanks for your input Tim, but your premise is wrong, the UN does not employ Hamas, the whole premise of your argument is wrong, leading you to wrong conclusions, less WND.com next time perhaps?”

    Tim, who is Tim?
    WND.com?

    There are more than 20,000 UNRWA employees, most of them Palestinian.
    And guess who gets all the juicy jobs in Gaza?
    Or do you really think that, as a ‘Palestinian’, you will get a job with UNRWA in Gaza if you are not a Hamas supporter?

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  47. Maggy Wassilieff (447 comments) says:

    “then expect to be celebrate,”

    Hope lots of you guys are celebrating soon……

    Wonder how many more slips our uni lecturer is going to deliver today.

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  48. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (2,062 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Nice to see your name Dennis. I hope all is well with you, its been a while :-)

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  49. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    @ judith – after your display in the “shylock” thread last night. You’ve officially been moved into the griff pile. You cant be taken seriously at all.

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  50. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Maggy Wassilieff (293 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    and will it be in direct proportion to the number of nasty bitchy comments you make, especially in your role as spelling monitor :-)

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,532 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    This is the second time you’ve disowned me dime. Last time I seem to remember you saying you were not even going to bother to read my comments or something similar – does this mean you are not a man of your word, or that you are simply ‘fickle’?

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  52. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    A Dozen Departures: Twelve Things Progressives Removed from Our Society that Need to Return
    Written by Linda McKinney on August 9, 2014

    Shame
    Guilt
    Courage
    Responsibility
    Common Sense
    Morality
    Normalcy – Traditional Family Values
    Logic/Reasoning
    Gender
    Righteousness
    Joy
    GOD

    Read more at http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/dozen-departures-twelve-things-progressives-removed-society-need-return/#uSEeTbm74FYjkvYq.99

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  53. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    Dime- Jude is just swimming naked in the Mission Bay fountain again.

    JAN.

    (just another narcissist)

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  54. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    That’s an interesting list Redbaiter. Some of those twelve things seem to have been removed from you.

    Courage
    Responsibility
    Common Sense
    Morality
    Normalcy – Traditional Family Values
    Logic/Reasoning
    Joy

    Don’t see much of those in what you write.

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  55. tom hunter (5,083 comments) says:

    My daughter’s enjoying her history classes at school and landed a project on the atomic bombing of Japan. She just sent me this rather funny Q&A list from MIT. After a little bit of fun along the following lines …

    6. Aren’t there witnesses to the atomic bomb in Hiroshima?
    The only “witnesses” that could possibly survived this supposed explosion would have been blinded by the intense flash of light, so their testimony is quite unreliable and contradictory.

    … the author finishes with this:

    23. Wow! You mean that I could write stuff like this, too?
    Sure! It’s embarrasingly easy to write what we wrote above. In fact, it’s even superior to the usual anti-Semitic revisionist garbage, because it has a higher percentage of REAL FACTS!

    Most of the apparent “contradictions” above come from the facts that Nagasaki was bombed by a plutonium bomb, not uranium; and that hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear, not atomic bombs. Just juggle information about the different types of bombs and mix them up so they seem to be contradicting each other. It doesn’t take ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER, and you can get lots of free air time on “48 Hours”!

    Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I’ve written above. Here she is:
    “Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I’ve always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima.”

    There you have it! Just throw some unverifiable opinions on top of ridiculous proofs to STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE!

    :)

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  56. Maggy Wassilieff (447 comments) says:

    Check back Judith, I don’t do nasty and I don’t do bitchy.
    I publish under my own name. My surname is not common in New Zealand and I endeavour never to bring embarrassment to my family in print.
    Yes I’m a spelling monitor… as well as a grammar guru, encyclopaedist, and general know-it-all. Thank you Google….. so easy to fact-check these days.

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  57. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    Here’s a video about Grief the watermelon voter and all of the other Progressives who flood Kiwiblog GD-

    “I argue that the modern liberal is the stupidest human being to have ever lived. How much stupider can you be than not only always wrong, but as wrong as wrong can be. 180 degrees from Right!”

    “If the liberal is as stupid as I believe them to be, how does he keep rising to the tops of their profession. Then it dawned on me. Liberals reach the tops of their professions because they enter only those professions where you don’t ever actually DO ANYTHING.”

    “When you don’t do anything, what can go wrong?!”

    Evan Sayet.

    Remember the name. He’s pretty good.

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  58. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    “This is the second time you’ve disowned me dime. Last time I seem to remember you saying you were not even going to bother to read my comments or something similar – does this mean you are not a man of your word, or that you are simply ‘fickle’?”

    I see my name so i red the first sentence.

    Last night i just read a ton of comments giving you shit.. so i read 2 of your idiotic comments.

    Basically youve just become this old lady who rants hysterically cause the voices in your head tell you john key betrayed you or some such. i suspect youve never met the man.

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  59. Odakyu-sen (738 comments) says:

    “Dime- Jude is just swimming naked in the Mission Bay fountain again.”

    I wouldn’t do that. The seagulls use it as a giant bird bath and I imaging that there are all kinds of pathogens swimming around in the water.

    Despite the “Do not swim in the fountain” signs, the fountain is full of kids in the summer. Must be something of a local tradition.

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  60. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “I wouldn’t do that. The seagulls use it as a giant bird bath and I imaging that there are all kinds of pathogens swimming around in the water.”

    That this is apparently the only major reason you can come up with says a lot about yourself.

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  61. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “I argue that the modern liberal is the stupidest human being to have ever lived. How much stupider can you be than not only always wrong, but as wrong as wrong can be. 180 degrees from Right!”

    Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

    Higher intelligence is associated with liberal political ideology, atheism, and men’s (but not women’s) preference for sexual exclusivity. More intelligent people are statistically more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to human evolution. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

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  62. stephieboy (3,388 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    like a lot of the gullible and the ill informed in the West you love trotting out those UN Resolutions condemning Israel’s alleged hunan rights violations. These more than usual originating from the Organization of Islamic Conference a cabal of Islamic dictatorships ,who as Pat Condelll observes ,when their not busy oppressing their own people , busy themselves passing these utterly meaningless and hypocritical resolutions .

    Oppression by Islamic states.?

    Shall we start with Sudan . You’ll no doubt be familiar with it’s leader President Omar al-Bashir, an indicted war criminal for genocide in the Dofur wanted by the International Criminal Court ( ICC) Yes real genocide and not the made up one of Israeli genocide that you are so of fond spouting on about.

    Then lets look at the “enviable” record of Iran and Saudi Arabia with a host of human rights abuses that are legend including public executions, persecution of religious minorities such as the Ba ‘ Hai , and Christians etc . Where witchcraft and sorcery are capital of fences and stoning of adulterers are still in the statute book.

    Then other is Pakistan where it’s government could more usefully attend to the acid attacks and other human right violations on women.Also the beleaguered and oppressed religious minorities like Christians

    As Pat Condell observes Human rights violations are problematic when it comes to most Islamic States because as it stands Human Rights and them are a compete contradiction in terms.

    A joke if you will.!

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  63. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

    LOL

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  64. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Pat Condell has shit for brains.

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  65. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    The more people burn JK in effigy, chant hate speech and attack his Jewish heritage, the better for him. NZers hate that kind of politics, and while its promulgators (Let’s call them out: Internet/Mana, Labour and the Greens) will never vote JK anyway, middle NZ are likely to vote National simply to stick it to this kind of ghastliness.

    So, keep up the Brown Shirt tactics groupies, but moderate-minded ‘Fair Go’ NZers will vote accordingly.

    Oh and Winston and his Wong thing. What a dinosaur.

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  66. stephieboy (3,388 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, so you think the e.g the actions of President Omar al-Bashir and his associates , indicted and wanted War Criminals ,are Ok kind of guys.?

    Why.??

    Red baiter , you and Evan Sayet contemplating conversion to Sharia Islam.??

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  67. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    Winston is wong and Jamie is whyte ;)

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  68. Keeping Stock (10,419 comments) says:

    Let’s face it, Key is a man you either love and dribble over, or you hate and vomit over, there is very little in between ground, which is something he uses to his benefit. As long as the voters are concentrating on such issues, no one is asking him about his ‘policies’.

    DPF won’t be handing out any electronic chocolate fish for people guessing which camp you come from Judith; you vomit your hatred of John Key here all day every day.

    Hate is an awfully powerful emotion that can destroy people. If I were you, I’d be seeking professional help; both for the hate, and the vomiting.

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  69. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    My argument against Maori being singled out for ‘privileged’ treatment is as follows:

    Based on the premise that Maori commit more crime and do less well academically because the average Maori is of relatively low socio-economic status (and there is a strong causal link between low s.e.s and high crime/poor academic achievement etc irrespective of race) I would argue that, for the good of society poor people should receive more assistance/intervention (privilege if you will) regardless of race.

    I suspect Jamie Whyte may have used this argument had it not implied forking out for the poor.

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  70. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, so you think the e.g the actions of President Omar al-Bashir and his associates , indicted and wanted War Criminals ,are Ok kind of guys.?

    No. If you had followed the link on my post you might have discovered why Pat Condell is a complete fuckwit.

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  71. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Shame: For up tick wanking.
    Guilt; Got caught and still in denial
    Courage: Hiding behind a non de plume calling others cowards.
    Responsibility: for his zimmer frame ?
    Common Sense; In red :lol:
    Morality; see Shame guilt above
    Normalcy – Traditional Family Values : Red a single old man with no family.
    Logic/Reasoning; Yip agw is a giant scam based on the output of faux news and “I can see Russia” Palin.
    Gender; Grumpy old man
    Righteousness: Self
    Joy: see Gender
    GOD; agnostic
    Your pretty list shows just how far from reality you are redtwit

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  72. kowtow (8,758 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi

    To paraphrase Billy Conolly and to continue the unPC political “racism”

    “Kim Dotcom has more Chins than the Shanghai phonebook.”

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  73. tom hunter (5,083 comments) says:

    And on this ugly, ugly day …. here’s the band Dresses with their infectious little single Blew My Mind.

    Timothy Heller is one very cute chick, nose ring and all, but the cuteness is leavened by the Wes Craven touches at the start of the video.

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  74. Fletch (6,490 comments) says:

    UglyTruth @9:58 –

    And yet many of the most famous inventors, scientists, artists, and musicians are people of faith. I’m sorry, I don’t buy into the notion that people of the Right are less intelligent. Just look at the current status in NZ. John Key vs Cunliffe, or John Key vs (gulp) KDC.

    In my book, liberals aren’t smart. They stand for liberal ideas like gay rights, feminist rights, etc etc, and then protest Israel, which is the only country that supports those very things (as opposed to most other Arab countries where gays are hung from cranes, women have to cover themselves and are victims of circumcision and can’t be educated etc).

    Is that smart? No it is dumb.

    Here Evan Sayet explains (yes I watch his videos, too) why liberals do not do well during an actual debate.

    “Liberals only do well when they lecture to you […] like a college professor lecturing to children, and then punishing them if they disagree. Take those same arguments when you have talk radio and callers challenging the host. How long did Air America last? [..] They have cowed us into not speaking. For one thing, we are polite. And they have made debate and discussion something that is ugly. “You’re a racist, you’re a bigot, you’re a homophobe, you’re a xenophone”. They have actually turned thinking into a hate crime.

    The concept behind this is that anything you believe, anything I believe, anything anybody believes, is going to be so tainted by your personal prejudices – that fact that you’re white, the fact that you’re black, the fact that you’re tall, fat, skinny, you’re rich, you’re poor – anything you believe is going to be just a reflection of your prejudices – therefore, the only way not to be a bigot, is to never think at all.

    So, it’s not that the liberal is stupid, it is that he has made thinking into something that he will not engage in. :)

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  75. Left Right and Centre (2,996 comments) says:

    Robin Williams suicide – I’ll miss him.

    One of the great US funny men.

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  76. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    Reports coming through that Robin Williams has committed suicide…

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  77. Fletch (6,490 comments) says:

    R.I.P Robin Williams.

    Apparently it was suicide :(

    http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/robin-williams-wife-utterly-heartbroken-following-his-death-6053642

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  78. tom hunter (5,083 comments) says:

    I guess the day is going to stay ugly.

    Fuck.!

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  79. kowtow (8,758 comments) says:

    tom hunter alluded to a coup in Baghdad yesterday.

    Their president and parliament has appintd new prime minister.Obama has clearly signalled his backing of the new man, Haider Abadi. It remains to be seen who the crap Iraqi military back.

    This is what Obama wanted and why the White House refused to intervene earlier against the ISIS advance from Syria to baghdad.

    By his deliberate and calculated refusal to back the Iraqi military in the face of the first ISIS advances Obama and his White House are complicit in the humanitarian disaster that unfolded.

    Aid to the beseiged Yazidis , a guilty offering too little too late.

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  80. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And yet many of the most famous inventors, scientists, artists, and musicians are people of faith.

    Sure. My point was that liberals are not, as a group, stupid people. One of the studies concluded atheists are more intelligent, but this doesn’t mean that there is no bell curve for the religious, like you said.

    I’m sorry, I don’t buy into the notion that people of the Right are less intelligent. Just look at the current status in NZ. John Key vs Cunliffe, or John Key vs (gulp) KDC

    The samples from the studies most likely didn’t include Kiwis.

    They stand for liberal ideas like gay rights, feminist rights, etc etc, and then protest Israel, which is the only country that supports those very things (as opposed to most other Arab countries where gays are hung from cranes, women have to cover themselves and are victims of circumcision and can’t be educated etc).

    Looking at the world purely form a liberal-conservative POV means that you don’t get to see the more significant beliefs and values of society. Liberals are quite capable of valuing ethical behaviour, but conservatives are more likely to be hung up on the traditional belief that the state of Israel represents one of the good guys of the world stage.

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  81. Fletch (6,490 comments) says:

    but conservatives are more likely to be hung up on the traditional belief that the state of Israel represents one of the good guys of the world stage.

    Because Israel are. Simple as that.
    The Arabs that live in Israel are the most free in the Middle East. Arabs are even politicians in the Israeli Knesset (the former Speaker was an Arab). They can worship what they like, dress how they feel, love who they like (even same sex), have their own mosques even. An Arab won the last Miss Israel beauty contest (I believe) and an Arab has even won Israeli Idol in the past.

    Try being gay in any other Arab country. Try being in any religion but Islam. Or being a woman and having to wear a tent, or to try and drive.

    Israel is America-lite, the only Democracy in the Middle East, with the most freedom for it’s people (of which about a million are Arab). That’s why any talk of apartheid is rubbish.

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  82. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    Isn’t there a law about defacing a national flag. If not there should be, I thought it was disgusting that someone scribbled on our flag at that meeting last night in Helensville.

    Sad

    New Zealand[edit]

    In New Zealand, under the Flags, Emblems and Names Protection Act 1981 it is illegal to destroy the New Zealand flag with the intent of dishonouring it. In 2003, Paul Hopkinson, a Wellington schoolteacher, burned the Flag of New Zealand as part of a protest in Parliament grounds at the New Zealand Government’s hosting of the Prime Minister of Australia, against the background of Australia’s support of the United States in its war in Iraq. Hopkinson was initially convicted under Flags, Emblems and Names Protection Act 1981 of destroying a New Zealand flag with intent to dishonour it, but appealed against his conviction. On appeal, his conviction was overturned on the grounds that the law had to be read consistently with the right to freedom of expression under the Bill of Rights. This meant that his actions were not unlawful because the word dishonour in the Flags, Emblems and Names Protection Act had many shades of meaning, and when the least restrictive meaning of that word was adopted Hopkinson’s actions did not meet that standard. This somewhat unusual result was due in part to the fact that the Bill of Rights does not overrule other laws (Hopkinson v. Police).

    In 2011 the New Zealand Supreme Court ruled that burning the flag at an ANZAC day dawn service was not offensive behaviour.[

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  83. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Because Israel are. Simple as that.

    The Irgun policy was based on ultra-radical Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s “Revisionist Zionism,” which declared that every Jew had the right to enter Palestine, and that active retaliation and Jewish armed force were necessary methods to ensure the Jewish state. It was the Irgun that bombed the King David Hotel—killing 91 people and injuring 46—and carried out the infamous Deir Yassin massacre, along with the Lehi [the Stern Gang]. The Irgun is the predecessor to today’s Likud Party.

    http://carolynyeager.net/book/export/html/376

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  84. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    Sorry Wikipedia for reference.

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  85. wreck1080 (3,959 comments) says:

    “Moving to a 10-year passport could lead to higher upfront passport fees as revenue would decline from processing passports on a less frequent basis,” Dunne said.

    Surely they’ll need just half the staff as they are more than doubling the effective lifespan (from 4 1/2 years to 9 1/2 years assuming passports are invalid 6 months before expiry as some countries require).

    But, this is typical politician thinking.

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  86. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. ”

    In fact the “research” being touted by Ugly has been debunked and Kanazawa is no longer taken seriously.

    “Satoshi Kanazawa is an (alleged) evolutionary psychologist[2] at the London School of Economics and exactly the kind of researcher who makes evolutionary psychology look bad. So say thirty five leading evolutionary psychologists, at least.[3] His chief weapons are causalation, p-value fishing, bad data analysis, bigotry, and surprise. Psychology Today decided to throw standards out the window and gave him a blog, which was ironically named The Scientific Fundamentalist. It later got pulled from the site after he posted some racist drivel dressed up in pseudoscientific language.”

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa

    Satoshi Kanazawa And The Freefall Of Evolutionary Psychology.

    “The standard line for this kind of gibberish is that the writer is examining ‘hard truths’ and taboo subjects, where others fear to tread, etc., but really it is more like he thought ‘that black woman is unattractive but I see a lot of attractive black men’ and decided to science it up with a diagram. So what? It isn’t even the goofiest thing to come out of evolutionary psychology this month, so why the hubbub? Well, black men were not complaining about being better looking than white guys and hispanics, but black women couldn’t have been all that pleased reading that they are uglier than everyone else but think they are much hotter. Let’s look into the mind of Kanazawa once again. Bring goggles.”

    http://www.science20.com/science_20/satoshi_kanazawa_and_freefall_evolutionary_psychology-79039

    “Black women are less attractive than others': Controversial LSE psychologist sparks backlash with his ‘scientific’ findings”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388313/LSE-psychologist-Satoshi-Kanazawa-claims-black-women-attractive.html

    Psychology Today suspended Kanazawa.

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  87. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Devoy remains silent over ‘two wongs’ comment
    Monday, 11 August 2014, 11:07 am
    Press Release: ACT New Zealand
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1408/S00157/devoy-remains-silent-over-two-wongs-comment.htm
    Devoy remains silent over ‘two wongs’ comment

    Press release: ACT New Zealand
    August 11, 2014. 9:00am
    “The race relations commissioner, Dame Susan Devoy, has not condemned Winston Peters for his statement. “

    “This is no surprise. Devoy recently described my call for racial equality as ‘grotesque’. Racial inequality is much more to her taste,” said Dr Whyte.

    “Devoy and Peters should get together in a Herne Bay bar for a few giggles at the expense of the Chinese, and reminisce about the days when people enjoyed jokes about Wongs and Whites by bigots like Calwell.”

    < “And Devoy should resign as soon as she sobers up.”
    :lol:

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  88. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    I just noticed on Facebook that the Greens are using Waimarama beach in Hawkes bay in their health promo.

    I have a house there…. I feel unclean dammit! :-/

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  89. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,922 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    My argument against Maori being singled out for ‘privileged’ treatment is as follows:

    Based on the premise that Maori commit more crime and do less well academically because the average Maori is of relatively low socio-economic status (and there is a strong causal link between low s.e.s and high crime/poor academic achievement etc irrespective of race) I would argue that, for the good of society poor people should receive more assistance/intervention (privilege if you will) regardless of race.

    We’ve been giving the poor more and more for decades. Is there any evidence that it has made any difference?

    To quote Whyte directly:

    Allow me another analogy. Imagine that SANZAR, the body that administers the Super 15, decided that the Blues deserved a legal privilege. Whereas all the other teams will continue to earn 5 points for a try, the Blues will earn 10.
    This would benefit Blues players over the short-term. They would win many more games than they now do. But giving the Blues this advantage in the rules would reduce their incentive to work hard on their skills and fitness. After a while, standards of play at the Blues would decline. Fewer Blues players would be selected for the All Blacks.

    While I will always support helping those in need, the best help is teaching them to be self-reliant.
    If that is what you’re suggesting, then I agree.

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  90. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,148 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    And will you be seeking assistance for the bias, hatred and vomit you spew on your blog about the left KS, or is your criticism a one way ticket – only the left hate, you on the other hand are merely ‘nicely critical’. You’re a hypocrite – at least I admit my dislike, and are open about it, you on the other hand make every attempt to disguise your hatred – which doesn’t work. You are as biased as me Keeping Stock, but just not honest about how you feel.

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  91. Jack5 (5,152 comments) says:

    Is there a chance in hell, that some Government will have the balls to sort out the piss-weak, liberal Immigration and Deportation Tribunal?

    It has just overruled an NZ family’s appeal not to block a Chilean whose action killed their daughter.

    It’s not easy to find who heard the appeal, but there seems to be a panel of about 17.

    From the decision in this case, it seems the tribunal was interested in the interests and future of the offender rather than that of those affected by his actions and the welfare of New Zealanders as a whole.

    Can we get McVicar, perhaps soon as an MP, to sort out this appeal system to provide more clarity for the public of submissions and of who hears the relevant appeal?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/251947/reckless-driver-wins-deportation-battle

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  92. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    ‘Allow me another analogy. Imagine that SANZAR,…’
    Bit of a shit analogy, really, isn’t it?

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  93. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    The Truth About Palestinian Casualties.

    “Like the subsequent debunking of similar charges about Israeli cruelty during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-09, it may well be that the lies told by Hamas and its enablers among the staff of the United Nations in Gaza are too good a story to be undone by careful analysis. After that round of fighting, subsequent analyses of the casualties proved that Israel’s claims that the bulk of those killed in Gaza were, in fact, Hamas personnel. But that didn’t stop the global lynch mob of Israel-haters from repeating false accusations that Israel had engaged in war crimes reminiscent of the Nazis. Those who march against Israel or blast it in the media claim they aren’t supporting Hamas but merely reacting to the slaughter of civilians even though they are mum about far worse examples of wartime killings in places like Syria or Iraq.”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/08/09/the-truth-about-palestinian-casualties-gaza-israel-hamas-civilians/

    Exposing the UN’s Unreliable Data on Gaza Casualties

    “Okay, it’s official: Even the BBC now admits the UN has been essentially collaborating with a terrorist organization to libel Israel. Of course, the venerable British broadcaster doesn’t say so explicitly; it even assures its readers that UN officials aren’t to blame for the misinformation they’ve been propagating. But it’s hard to reach any other conclusion after reading this analysis of Gaza’s casualty figures by the station’s head of statistics, Anthony Reuben.

    As Reuben notes, the figures on Palestinian casualties cited by most news organizations come from the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. As of August 6, this agency was reporting 1,843 Palestinian fatalities, including at least 1,354 civilians; 279 hadn’t yet been identified. Thus civilians ostensibly comprise at least 73 percent of total fatalities, and since the UN excludes unidentified casualties from its calculations, it usually cites an even higher figure–currently 86 percent.

    But as Reuben writes, “if the Israeli attacks have been ‘indiscriminate’, as the UN Human Rights Council says, it is hard to work out why they have killed so many more civilian men than women.” Quoting a New York Times analysis, he noted that men aged 20-29, who are the most likely to be combatants, are “also the most overrepresented in the death toll,” comprising 9 percent of Gazans but 34 percent of identified fatalities. In contrast, “women and children under 15, the least likely to be legitimate targets, were the most underrepresented, making up 71 percent of the population and 33 percent of the known-age casualties.””

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/08/08/exposing-the-uns-unreliable-data-on-gaza-casualties/

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  94. kowtow (8,758 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi

    In Common law jurisdictions I’d guess there is a provision for charging or certainly binding over to keep the peace any persons who engage in behaviour that is likely to cause a breach of the Queens’/Kings’s Peace.

    Burning flags ,poppies or other patriotic symbols at commemorations in view of commemorators should certainly fit the bill.

    Maybe a KB legal eagle (not ugly) could throw some light on same.

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  95. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Was it just yesterday, or the day before, that you were saying it was too early to draw any conclusions from the Gaza casualty figures?

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  96. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Had to go into Masterton today & going by the reports of graffiti on political hoardings I was expecting scenes of carnage at every intersection. Either the various party faithful are replacing & repairing at great haste or maybe the Greens have run out of spray paint but there’s little evidence of damage.

    Except to the only billboard of this loser that I saw. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8qg7b3ef1yupixt/2014-08-12%2010.57.20.jpg

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  97. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    My favourite part of this Planet Key video is where they spell GCSB wrong. Fascinating insight in to what the people who don’t like John Key interpret him as.

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  98. publicwatchdog (2,812 comments) says:

    What do you think of this Kiwibloggers?

    As a guideline to how effective a person will be in defending the interests of others – is how effective the person is in defending themselves?

    You have NO idea how much work went into getting Helensville candidates meeting organiser Holly Ryan to do the right (LAWFUL) thing and include me as an Independent candidate.

    Hopefully locals will see that if I could (eventually) get Holly Ryan to agree to include me – then that is an indication of how effective I may be as the Independent MP. for Helensville?

    ;)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    PS: REALLY looking forward to a future televised debate between myself and the only other candidate for Helensville who REALLY wants the ELECTORATE vote in Helensville:)
    I want to ask John Key why he is STILL a shareholder in the Bank of America and whose interests he is really serving?

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  99. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    No need to deface conservative bill boards nasska I have seen the look in those eyes before.

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  100. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    In fact the “research” being touted by Ugly has been debunked and Kanazawa is no longer taken seriously.

    “Global Research, a fringe conspiracy theory web site, CLAIMS that…..but provides no credible evidence” ~ ShawnLH, saying how witness testimony on a BBC video isn’t credible evidence.

    Link

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  101. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    I want to ask John Key why he is STILL a shareholder in the Bank of America and whose interests he is really serving?

    Can you also ask him
    1) Who shot JFK
    2) Where were the “moon landings” filmed
    3) What micro-nuke device was used to bring down the twin towers
    #questionsFromPenny

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  102. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    They say that the eyes mirror the soul Griff.

    In the case of the NZ Conservative Party leader I have looked at those eyes & I don’t like what I saw.

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  103. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    The video Ugly links to as evidence is titled on YouTube as “The Video Report Deleted by the BBC”. Not really convincing, but I suppose if you layer your “evidence”, not many will go to the effort to check it.

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  104. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Here’s the video:

    The Russian military adds that it detected another aircraft at 17:21 ascending toward the Malaysian airlines Boeing 777 at a distance of 3-5 km. It was monitored by two radar stations for four minutes and was not equipped with a secondary identification system. Kartapolov says it was a Ukrainian air force Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack aircraft. He stressed that the “Su-25 is capable of reaching the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short time” (the aircraft’s service ceiling is 7,000 meters). The aircraft’s weaponry includes the R-60 (AA-8 Aphid) air-to-air missile capable of striking targets at a distance up to 12 km, the military official says

    http://aviationweek.com/awin-only/russia-shares-mh17-radar-data

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  105. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    labrator
    Those are questions better put to charlie Manson Colon Crag.
    Dont forget to add some about chemtrails Alt med And Homeopathy.

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  106. stephieboy (3,388 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth,

    There are some problems with the alleged eye witness accounts.

    1 As the video of the impact of M17 here shows the weather was cloudy.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975094/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-video-believed-to-show-moment-of-planes-impact.html

    2. How could the witness detect the livery of any aircraft let alone identifying them at 10 km. ( 33,000 ft ) . Can you identify which aircraft was what at 10 kms ?

    3. The Air India flight 25 kms behind did not pick up on its Radar the presence of other unidentified aircraft proximate to M17.

    4. Yes the Su 25 a ground assault aircraft can reach that height but only for a very short duration. A Mig 29 or Su 17 would be far, far better for the job.

    My thoughts at the moment it was a mistake by the separatist rebels . M17 was shot down in territory held by them and they had claimed they had downed an Ukrainian aircraft earlier an A 26 .

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  107. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Why do you say that it is fake?

    Edit: Lucia Maria has deleted her question.

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  108. stigie (1,316 comments) says:

    Maybe you should go and live in Helensville Penny…the rates could be cheaper !~

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  109. stephieboy (3,388 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth , I take it you believe in this absolute nonsense. ?

    http://nodisinfo.com/ukrainian-crisis-actors-zionist-mh17-hoax/

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  110. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    UglyNazi opines: “ShawnLH, saying how witness testimony on a BBC video isn’t credible evidence.”

    Anything published on or by the conspiracy web site “globalresearch” is immediately suspect.

    Anything published on or by ANY conspiracy web site by UglyNazi is immediately suspect.

    Anything posted by UglyNazi is imediately suspect because UglyNazi is a dishonest, lying Jew hater who is so monumentally stupid that he uncritically swallows any crap published by web sites that also rant about aliens on the moon and the earth being hollow.

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  111. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Another slander episode, Shawn?

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  112. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Since conspiracies seem to be a hot topic with Shawn, let’s cut to the chase with the conspiracy theory du jour…

    From: A third anti-semitic defacement:

    The fact that Shawn goes to such lengths in an attempt to debunk the truth about the collaboration between Zionists and Nazis says that it is important in a general sense, not just important to me alone. What I’m talking about there are the connections between Zionism and the false doctrines of Christianity, and the connection between Zionism and Satanism.

    One of the false doctrines of Christianity is the sacraments of baptism, an articles of faith necessary to avoid the logical conclusion that Paul was a false apostle. This connects to the Zionists throught the common element of Jewish hypocrisy. Of course not all Jews are hypocrites, just as not all Christians are hypocrites, but this theme gives a basis for understanding the how the Zionist state betrayed the Jewish people from its very inception.

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  113. stephieboy (3,388 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, you’ll finding this very helpful,

    http://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/conspiracy-connect-the-dots.jpg?w=627

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  114. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Fiscking UglyNazi’s lies.

    “The fact that Shawn goes to such lengths in an attempt to debunk the truth about the collaboration between Zionists and Nazis”

    I made one post about it. Hardly “great lengths” because most sane people know that your 2+2=9 logic is not credible.

    “One of the false doctrines of Christianity is the sacraments of baptism”

    So Ugly’s claim is that when someone has their baby baptized they are participating in a Zionist hoax.

    I rest my case on UglyNazi’s insanity.

    “This connects to the Zionists throught the common element of Jewish hypocrisy.”

    “Jewish hypocrisy.”

    I rest my case on Ugly Nazi being a Jew hater. But he is at least honest about what he really thinks for a change.

    “Of course not all Jews are hypocrites”

    This contradicts the previous statement, and is another example of UglyNazi’s dishonesty when he attempts to cover his ass about his hatred for Jews.

    He might as well have said “Black people are shifty, well not all but most are.”

    People would see through that statement and rightly conclude that the person making it was racist.

    So UglyNazi’s “Jews are hypocrites, well not all but most” claim is also clear evidence of racism towards Jews.

    Ugly Nazi has once again exposed himself for what he is, and no amount of lies and conspiracy theories about “real Jews” can hide the truth.

    UglyNazi is a racist Jew hater and an insane nutjob who thinks baptism is a Zionist hoax.

    He should not be allowed to use KB as a platform for his neo-Nazi ideology.

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  115. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    I do so love it when a one irrational nutter attacks another.

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  116. Viking2 (11,564 comments) says:

    Green Party broadcasting spokeswoman Julie Anne Genter said the United States was the only country that spent less on public broadcasting, per capita, than New Zealand. A fair level of extra funding might be closer to the $50m annually spent on Maori Television than the $15-$17m a year she believed had been spent on TVNZ7, she said.

    She did not own a television but watched programmes on her computer and smartphone. Public broadcasting was invaluable, Genter said. “This National government doesn’t know the value of democracy; they look at everything through a commercial lens.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/10374851/Minister-heckled-at-broadcasting-debate
    ====================================
    Me thinks that JA Genter hasn’t a fucking clue what democracy actually is and what is ripping off Taxpayers hard earned money to fund broadcasting and someone else s wages..
    i.e. stealing from the working man to fund entertainment that most of never listen or watch.

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  117. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I do so love it when a one irrational nutter attacks another.”

    You weren’t attacking him Griff. :)

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  118. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    They both downticked you for that, Griff.

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  119. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Actually Mike I didn’t down tick Griff. I reserve my down ticks for truly idiotic or insane posts.

    Griff’s ok, his brain tends to fall out when it comes to religion, but I don’t take his statements on that subject seriously enough to bother down ticking. Plus Redbatty hates him, which wins Griff brownie points with me. :)

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  120. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    A row between stephieboy’s idols? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/11/exclusive-obama-told-lawmakers-criticism-of-his-syria-policy-is-horsesh-t.html

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  121. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, UT’s mates are determined to wipe out a historical place:
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/07/isis-is-about-to-destroy-biblical-history-in-iraq.html

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  122. Than (488 comments) says:

    What do you think of this Kiwibloggers?

    I think you’re irrelevant Penny. Go away and stop making me waste the effort needed to scroll past your obnoxiously long comments.

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  123. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    This guy could join Dunne’s UF: two jokes together.
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8889627/civilian-party-makes-numbers-to-register

    The satirical Civilian Party is rushing into election mode after successfully becoming registered as a political party.

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  124. Rowan (2,521 comments) says:

    Surely the wobbolies can do better out wide than the one dimensional useless pairing of Horne and McCabe or it’s at least hard to see how they could do any worse!!

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  125. Harriet (5,124 comments) says:

    “…….They’re a good hard-working group of New Zealanders and I don’t think people should be attacked on religious belief, whether they’re Islamic, Christian or Jewish……”

    Clearly Key is an avid reader of Kiwiblog.

    ……..pointing out to some of his voters during an election campaign…..

    …… that they should fuck off to TS and vote for Labour. :cool:

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  126. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    Voda are f**king with my head.
    I am getting peak speeds of over 20Mb/sec !
    I can feel all that radiation flying thru the air :-)

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  127. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    You should try Telecom ADSL in darkest Wairarapa should you wish to return to reality Colville.

    Receiving data via carrier pigeon would be an improvement.

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  128. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    “This guy could join Dunne’s UF: two jokes together.”

    Catch up Manolo. Civilian Party and United Future announce campaign deal

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  129. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “The fact that Shawn goes to such lengths in an attempt to debunk the truth about the collaboration between Zionists and Nazis”

    I made one post about it.

    By great lengths, I mean your obvious slander.

    One post from the original thread

    “Your definition of Zionists means most Jews.” – lie
    “Your a gutless Jew hating Nazi who hides behind lies about the nature of Zionism” – lie

    Followed by this one:

    “But as the article from the Jewish Library shows, UglyNazi easily fits the definition of a Jew hater.” – lie

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  130. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10375401/Songwriter-gagged-over-John-Key-parody

    Understandable.

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  131. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “One of the false doctrines of Christianity is the sacraments of baptism”

    So Ugly’s claim is that when someone has their baby baptized they are participating in a Zionist hoax.

    He’s lying again. According to Shawn:

    “The Sacraments of baptism and communion are always representative and incarnational. God is always present in them.”

    So when I say the sacraments are false there is no implication that Zionism is involved.

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  132. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Oh FFS – UglyTruth seems to spend all day here posting crap. And, judging by the number of thumbs-down hUglyTruth’s comments attract, other Kiwiblog readers agree that UglyTruth posts crap.

    UglyTruth accounts for 19 out of 133 comments on this thread so far – approximately 14%.

    Does anyone know if UglyTruth is gainfully employed in the real world?

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  133. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Data from observation says global cooling. The physical model says it has to be warming.

    When the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recently requested a figure for its annual report, to show global temperature trends over the last 10,000 years, the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s Zhengyu Liu knew that was going to be a problem.
    “We have been building models and there are now robust contradictions,” says Liu, a professor in the UW-Madison Center for Climatic Research. “Data from observation says global cooling. The physical model says it has to be warming.”

    http://www.news.wisc.edu/23050

    I know, the data must be wrong.
    Easy.
    Change the data even more to fit the model.

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  134. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    He should not be allowed to use KB as a platform for his neo-Nazi ideology.

    “All of this language … reflects and furthers the goals of the Anti-Defamation League, which has a stated goal of creating an environment where opposing the State of Israel is considered “anti-Semitism,” and “anti-Semitism” is a “hate crime” punishable by law.”
    http://www.rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

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  135. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    http://www.netsmart.co.nz/residential/index.cfm?page=home_wimax

    Carrier pigeon you”ll be lucky its the gee gees of the pony express for me.
    I have to pay extra for Netsmart because even though I can see the planes land at auckland from here the copper network speed is as slow and reliable as a lada.
    Was on Vodafone 3g broadband for years but I can not even get that reliably here.

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  136. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Oh FFS – UglyTruth seems to spend all day here posting crap.

    Yeah, I’d rather not spend so much time documenting Shawn’s propensity towards calumny either.

    Would you rather that his lies went unchecked?

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  137. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:

    Here’s a dictionary definition:

    calumny
    ˈkaləmni/
    noun
    noun: calumny; plural noun: calumnies

    1. the making of false and defamatory statements about someone in order to damage their reputation; slander.

    “a bitter struggle marked by calumny and litigation”

    synonyms: slander, defamation (of character), character assassination, misrepresentation of character, evil-speaking, calumniation, libel;

    2. a false and slanderous statement.
    “a change in the law would prevent the press from publishing calumnies”

    verb
    formal
    verb: calumny; 3rd person present: calumnies; past tense: calumnied; past participle: calumnied; gerund or present participle: calumnying
    slander (someone).

    Origin
    late Middle English: from Latin calumnia.

    I don’t see how ShawnLH, or anyone else here, can defame a person who chooses to comment on Kiwiblog under a pseudonym.

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  138. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “By great lengths, I mean your obvious slander.”

    Again, it’s the truth, as I proved in my first response to you above.

    “So when I say the sacraments are false there is no implication that Zionism is involved.”

    You link your laughable claim to Paul, who you link to the Pharisees, who you link to Zionism. It’s another example of your insanity.

    ““Your definition of Zionists means most Jews.” – li.e TRUTH.

    “Your a gutless Jew hating Nazi who hides behind lies about the nature of Zionism” – lie. TRUTH.

    Followed by this one:

    “But as the article from the Jewish Library shows, UglyNazi easily fits the definition of a Jew hater.” – lie” TRUTH.

    Give it up Ugly, you have lost every debate with me, you have exposed yourself as a nutjob who thinks web sites ranting about aliens on the moon and the earth being hollow are credible sources of information, and you have exposed yourself, with amongst many others, your claim that most Jews are hypocrites, as a racist Jew hating whackjob.

    Almost nobody apart from your fellow neo-Nazi Reid takes anything you say seriously. You can makes all the posts you want, and almost nobody cares or is bothering to read them.

    Go back to whatever asylum you escaped from. Your wasting your time on KB.

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  139. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,078 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Your delusions of grandeur are getting a bit out of hand Shawn.

    I, for one, enjoy Ugly’s posts, as they provide a balance to the other opinions. I do not believe you have the right to talk on behalf of the blog, saying he is wasting his time. Speak for yourself by all means, but you certainly don’t speak for me, and I am a member of this blog – just like you. You have made quite a habit of say ‘ we’ and ‘us’ etc, I believe without permission.

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  140. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I don’t see how ShawnLH, or anyone else here, can defame a person who chooses to comment on Kiwiblog under a pseudonym.

    I didn’t say that it was defamation. Calumny can simply mean slander:

    2. a false and slanderous statement.

    Re Shawn’s 5:25, he talks like his honesty was never in question. I’ve given links to show the context of his slander.

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  141. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    Ugly, bigot blouse makes false and slanderous statements every second day. It’s just the way things are around here.

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  142. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:

    You may not be aware, but the historical distinction between “libel” and “slander” is no longer part of New Zealand law.

    See the definition of “defamation” in section 2 of the Defamation Act 1992.

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  143. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I, for one, enjoy Ugly’s posts, as they provide a balance to the other opinions.”

    Of course you do. The fact that he is promoting racist ideology towards Jews is of no concern to you. Why am I not surprised.

    So Ugly has two votes, one from Judith, who told lies yesterday about the Shylock issue, and one from D4J, who is insane enough to think Big Bruv and myself are the same person.

    Your in good company Ugly! :)

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  144. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I don’t see how ShawnLH, or anyone else here, can defame a person who chooses to comment on Kiwiblog under a pseudonym.”

    You are quite right. It is not defamation when aimed at a person using a pseudonym.

    That said, I would be very happy if Ugly tried to pursue a case. The wealth of evidence he has provided on KB would be all I would need to win. :)

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  145. cricko (368 comments) says:

    The above brings to mind a quote from Franz Kafka,

    “They discuss minusutae to an extent that is lamentable.”

    Prompted by when he overheard his mother and other fishwives like, UglyTruth and Judith and even ShawnLH going
    round and around in ever diminishing circles untill they dissapear up each others arseholes.

    What is the point ?

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  146. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    “D4J, who is insane enough to think Big Bruv and myself are the same person.”

    Shawn talking about insanity you should spend more time outside rather than spurting nonsense all day everyday here on kiwiblog. Find a new hobby before you are committed or are you already in a ward?

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  147. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, bigot blouse makes false and slanderous statements every second day. It’s just the way things are around here.

    Not about me he doesn’t. If you can document it then others will know.

    You may not be aware, but the law no longer distinguishes between defamation and slander.

    I’m referring to slander according to its meaning in the law of the land, not the Crown’s legislation. The Crown’s legislation is disconnected from the law of nature, but the law of nature and the law of the land are related just as land and nature are related.

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  148. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,081 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Shawn. You need help.
    Yesterday I gave my opinion – I am entitled to have that opinion and just because it doesn’t match yours, does not mean it is a lie.

    I enjoy reading Ugly’s posts because they are informative, and he mostly supports his statements by providing links and references. I don’t always agree with them or understand them, but I defend his right to have his say, just as much as you have yours. He does not seem to take the stance that you do and promote himself as being superior in some way – you are nasty, judgemental, and show definite signs of advanced narcissism – you’re also intolerant to difference, and for some reason feel challenged by it. I guess it doesn’t validate you – and you clearly come across as someone that needs lots of validation.

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  149. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I’m referring to slander according to its meaning in the law of the land, not the Crown’s legislation. The Crown’s legislation is disconnected from the law of nature, but the law of nature and the law of the land are related just as land and nature are related.”

    Translation: “I don’t care about reality, my fantasies about law suit me much better.”

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  150. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    What is the point ?

    The point is that the role of truth should not be underestimated, especially in politics.

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  151. SGA (1,141 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 5:44 pm

    you have exposed yourself as a nutjob who thinks web sites ranting about aliens on the moon and the earth being hollow are credible sources of information

    I suspect that UT poses as much of a threat to the shape-shifting child killers in Buckingham Palace as he does to the people of Tel Aviv. People here know that. I don’t really understand your obsession with him (and your hatred of him – that’s how it comes across) given that you seem very aware of what he is like.

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  152. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Ugly : “I don’t care about reality, my fantasies about law suit me much better.”
    Shawn : “I don’t care about reality, my fantasies about god suit me much better.”

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  153. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Yesterday I gave my opinion – I am entitled to have that opinion and just because it doesn’t match yours, does not mean it is a lie.”

    It is when you are presented with facts proving your opinion is wrong, If you then continue, that is lying.

    “I enjoy reading Ugly’s posts because they are informative, and he mostly supports his statements by providing links and references.”

    Oh dear. Seriously? How is promoting hatred towards Jews “informative” Judith?

    “you’re also intolerant to difference, and for some reason feel challenged by it.”

    No, again, this is a debating forum. The fact that I debate and argue with people here is because, wait for it, this is a debating forum.

    You seem very confused about that, and I suspect it is because your projecting your own psychological issues. You are clearly rabidly intolerant of people who support National and like JK, and clearly have some deep rooted need to attack them at every opportunity, but rather than own your issues and deal with them like an adult, you project them on to others, assuming that everyone else is motivated by the same narcissistic and irrational motivations as you.

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  154. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    you are nasty, judgemental, and show definite signs of advanced narcissism

    Narcissism was also one of Paul’s identifying traits. The last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.

    Acts 9
    6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

    Acts 26
    15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

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  155. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    In an attempt to change the subject: :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/26lpz12x3araxcg/Different.jpg

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  156. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Jeez,
    they can’t help themselves.
    See them dance.
    See D4J and SGA jump in. Even Griff jumps in.

    I thought you had more about you Griff.

    I bet you drongs can’t even remember the subject that sparked youse up.

    Thanks naaska, a Daniel come to Justice.

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  157. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Oh dear. Seriously? How is promoting hatred towards Jews “informative” Judith?

    How is misrepresenting criticism of Zionists as hatred of Jews honest, Shawn?

    According to Shawn, the following is evidence that I hate Jews:

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman

    It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, “Tel Aviv”, while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a “metaphysical absurdity”. Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler’s Third Reich. In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”, better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang…

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  158. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

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  159. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    “Thanks naaska ”

    Nice to see your into frozen anal beads breal. I suppose cricko can spot a drong from a mile.

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  160. stigie (1,316 comments) says:

    Im pleased you changed the subject Nasska to something more suitable ?

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  161. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,084 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    1. You gave your opinion – they were not facts, and they did not change my opinion that the comment made was meant to insult John Key, and not the jewish population of New Zealand.

    2. I made it very clear that I didn’t always agree with UT’s comments – you are very selective in what you pick out Shawn – you are dishonest!

    3. I wasn’t meaning intolerant to different opinions Shawn, you are intolerant to people that different to you in many ways, including religious, culture and sexuality.

    4. It is the opinion I dispute Shawn, as you pointed out this is a debating forum, when someone posts something I disagree with, I say so, just as when someone posts something I agree with – I also say so.

    As I said, you’re a narcissist. You cannot see that the things you accuse me of – are dominant within your own rhetoric. You consider yourself ‘above’ everyone else, I suspect your imaginary friend is telling you so!

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  162. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    I think we all need a humour break.

    Here is some random bullshit. :)

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  163. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Just saw this excellent critique of Noam Chomsky’s thinking with regard to struggles such as those of Palestinians, i.e. conflicts between group identities in which there is a clear power asymmetry.

    Chomsky is an intelligent man worth listening to when he is citing his research in his books. I was so brainwashed by him for a while that I was convinced that America was worse than Nazi Germany. I was also pro-Palestinian and an anarcho-syndicalist, much like Chomsky. Hegemony or Survival and Chomsky on Anarchism were formative books for me as a teenager.
    What people don’t really understand is that, first, Chomsky is a Marxist, meaning his analysis proceeds from the framework of dialectical materialism. To him, the religious aspect of the conflict is really just an expression of the underlying material circumstances of the people. So when he sees religious extremists he must, by virtue of his framework, see an oppressed and subjugated people that have been driven to their actions by the economic conditions in which they are situated. All of this is important to anarchism working, for class consciousness must replace false consciousness, else we can’t live in an undivided stateless society.
    In any case, this ends up being a “the underdog is always right” kind of analysis. In ways it is truly simplistic. The economic elite are the only ones really capable of any kind of agency in this framework. Between cultural hegemony, manufactured consent, and false consciousness (working to undermine a sense of class consciousness) it is the elites that make the proles dance like puppets. Not that I don’t buy into these ideas quite a bit myself, but Chomsky refuses to believe that a poor and destitute people can act violently due to religious ideas, independent of economic context.
    That said, I think the specific facts he lays out on the table are always worth hearing out, even if the narrative is questionable. Although Chomsky sometimes says some real nonsense when generalizing his view of all the facts, like when he claimed that Obama is worse than Bush.

    Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2daspt/noam_chomsky_israeli_occupation_is_much_worse/cjnslbo

    Basically s/he enunciates a big problem with the type of thinking of the left – that power asymmetry between two groups effectively means that moral responsibility exists only for only the most powerful group.

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  164. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    As I said, you’re a narcissist. You cannot see that the things you accuse me of – are dominant within your own rhetoric. You consider yourself ‘above’ everyone else, I suspect your imaginary friend is telling you so!

    You’re right that he’s a narcissist and he can’t see his own hypocrisy. His inability to see is a type of blindness that is described in the Bible, which also describes a related inability to understand reality.

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  165. RF (1,449 comments) says:

    Cunners just cannot win. His useless former mate Presland who is also a
    Mickey Mouse has dropped him right in it. He allowed a post by the drop kick Gibson from Timaru to put up a post that sat there for 2 weeks. It was very critical
    of JK when Cunners was preaching love for the opposition. If Cunners had any guts he would have sacked him.

    Presland used to be in the inner circle. After the secret trust and other stuff ups he has become a leper.

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  166. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Try this D4J

    Get past the jokes and try to be real.

    How would the NZ media react if the next time Laila Harre fronted there was a
    chant,” Fxxk Laila Harre, fxck Laila Harre.”?

    Who would complain ?

    (Judith, bogged down in minusutae forever, as is your want. Keen to point the finger, no idea of reality.)

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  167. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    ” You gave your opinion – they were not facts”

    I gave you information about the history of the Shylock comment, which were facts, facts you chose to ignore because they did not suit your anti-JK agenda.

    “I wasn’t meaning intolerant to different opinions Shawn, you are intolerant to people that different to you in many ways, including religious, culture and sexuality.”

    I would love to see some evidence of that claim. In the meantime, I am currently, with my wife, running an email campaign in support of the Yazidi people, who are bring targeted for extermination by ISIS. The Yazidi people are a totally different religion and culture to mine. And while I opposed the marriage “equality” bill, I supported civil unions out of a sense of being fair to gay people.

    Once again Judith, you’re projecting your own issues.

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  168. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    Interesting step by step analysis of how the ISIS crisis could lead to WW III.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/looking-spark-world-war-3-start-here

    If you’ve read Albert Pikes letter to Mazzini, this 3rd World War has been predicted for a while in a “clash of civilizations between the Islamic World vs. the Judeo-Christian World.

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  169. cricko (368 comments) says:

    And, on behalf of everyone else on this site.
    And the whole of New Zealand.

    UglyTruth, eff off.

    We need muslim suckarses like you like we need a hole in our head.
    New Zealand does not need your type.
    We made a mistake welcoming your type into our country.
    You get lassitude here others would never be granted in whatever shithole you crawled out of.
    Go home .

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  170. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    I see the ‘Person of Interest’ in the Gold Coast death from the high rise has been online since bragging about how many sexual conquests he has had…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11307802

    Another Clayton Weatherston?

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  171. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    More PC madness in the UK:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2722340/Trojan-Horse-purge-threat-Christmas-Independent-schools-academies-forced-drop-celebrations-new-rules-tackle-extremists.html

    Independent schools and academies may be forced to drop Christmas celebrations under rules designed to tackle extremists, critics warned yesterday.

    They say 6,000 private schools will be compelled to adopt political correctness.

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  172. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    Manolo- Only a matter of time before Christmas celebrations are banned from New Zealand Schools too mate..
    But don’t worry- The kids have got ‘Matariki’ to celebrate now…..

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  173. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    Even the ad for Nigel Latta’s crusade to ban alcohol on TV tonight makes me angry…
    This guy is becoming a bigger prat than Gareth Morgan.

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  174. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Independent schools and academies may be forced to drop Christmas celebrations under rules designed to tackle extremists, critics warned yesterday.”

    Santa Clause extremists? Oh my, that really is a threat to the nation. :)

    PC idiots.

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  175. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,551 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Sounds a bit suspect, doesn’t it?
    They said she screamed before she fell?, so something frightened her before hand – be a hard case to prove without any witnesses – maybe he thought she was a burglar. Very sad for the family – I hope they get some answers.

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  176. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    What a huge light you have been hiding under your enormous bushel Yehudit? …… until election time! :)

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  177. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    The thought of another John Key victory on September 20th seems to have brought all the demons out of the closet! :)

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  178. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,164 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    It’s no new revelation to me – I have said for months Key will win again – the only question is, will it be a clean cut win, or will he have to make compromises that will have a detrimental effect on the country, if a coalition is required.

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  179. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Longknives piss-head one eyed anti pot crusader doesn’t like it when the facts about his evil drug of choice get on prime time tv.
    Why not longknifes? The truth about alcohol is really interesting and quite shocking to uninformed drunkards like you. Pissed up druggys should be informed about their poor choice in recreational drugs and the damages it inflicts on both them and society.

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  180. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You’ve recovered from your meltdown last night obviously Yehudit.

    Must be utterly shattering for an anti-semite like you to realise she is named after a Jewish Hero! :)

    I’d blame your parents if I was you! :)

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  181. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    What a pompous shit Peter Dunne is blowing on about 10 year passports and how “he” will think about re-introducing them, but they will cost more. Just do it Dunne , stop being a wanker and a try hard. I dont care much for your opinion on the matter.
    We are being ripped off and have been for a long time. Bring them back now and stop trying to be a show pony about it.

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  182. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    “the only question is, will it be a clean cut win, or will he have to make compromises that will have a detrimental effect on the country, if a coalition is required.”

    As opposed to Labour/Greens jumping into bed with Sugar Daddy Dotcom and Winston?

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  183. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “You’ve recovered from your meltdown last night obviously Yehudit.”

    She’s well on her way to having another meltdown today. :)

    “Must be utterly shattering for an anti-semite like you ”

    You may be right. Her attempts to spin the issue of anti-Jewish graffiti and her defence of Ugly’s Jew hating propaganda look pretty suspicious.

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  184. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    I also heard Dunne interviewed by Larry Williams. True, the whore of Ohariu is a disgrace and cannot avoid speaking like the political prostitute he is.

    Wouldn’t be great if National’s Brett Hudson wins the seat? Sadly, it is not going to happen.

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  185. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    “Pissed up druggys should be informed about their poor choice in recreational drugs and the damages it inflicts on both them and society.”

    Like getting baked on Cannabis, flying a Hot Air Balloon into Powerlines and slaughtering ten innocent people mate?
    Sitting in your Hydroponic Glasshouse throwing stones there pal!

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  186. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2z4wdvtnp1dz1p4/It%20must%20be%20evil%2028.jpg

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  187. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Tell us of you PhD anyway Judith?

    What thesis can someone of your limited intelligence and advanced age write, based on your work with deadbeats like Nosta, that could turn you into a Philosopher? :)

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  188. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I’ll drink to that research nasska! :)

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  189. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Bit slow tonight Minus….get up to speed lad! :)

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  190. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,167 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    I have enough intelligence to know that someone’s IQ can not be measured simply because they aren’t in love with the current Prime Minister and that they have enough guts not to follow the sheep, and instead speak up for what they believe in. I can see why you prefer sheep – you’re surrounded with them in here!

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  191. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Five sprogs could make you a tad philisophical I suppose!!! :)

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  192. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,168 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    That wasn’t minus, it was me – act like a fwit and before you know it you’ll need drenching.

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  193. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You haven’t answered my question Judith. What exciting revelation can we all expect when the thesis of a genius like yourself is published? You don’t have to reveal it all, just give us a hint! :)

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  194. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    Longknives (4,551 comments) says:

    August 12th, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Another Roastbuster?

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  195. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (15,170 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    If I’d valued your opinion enough, you would have been informed by now. That sort of information is on a need to know basis – and you don’t pass the grade.

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  196. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I’m shattered Yehudit. I’ve never given you a downthumb ever. I thought you were above that sort of shit!

    You are much lower in my estimation than you were even after last nights display.

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  197. stigie (1,316 comments) says:

    Looks like Judith wont be going over the hill to Wainui then ?

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  198. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ stigie (928 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Yeah gutted! Holiday in Hawaii – Holiday in Wainuiomata – how would one choose!

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  199. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Slow down JB! Think of the 527KW V8 Holden on the Wainui hill. :)

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  200. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    So it’s Hawaii Judith. After last night you’re no longer welcome in Wainui nor I suspect in Tel Aviv! :)

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  201. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    My 25kw Trabant in the hands of an expert like me could still beat a poser like Yehudit up the hill nasska! :)

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  202. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And, on behalf of everyone else on this site.
    And the whole of New Zealand.

    UglyTruth, eff off.

    cricko, you seem to have contracted some of Shawn’s narcissism, assuming to speak for the whole of New Zealand.

    We need muslim suckarses like you like we need a hole in our head.

    Are you still butthurt after having it pointed out that you used a mistranslation when you tried to argue the the verse of swords abrogated something?

    New Zealand does not need your type.
    We made a mistake welcoming your type into our country.
    You get lassitude here others would never be granted in whatever shithole you crawled out of.
    Go home .

    I was born here, fool.

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  203. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “imply because they aren’t in love with the current Prime Minister and that they have enough guts not to follow the sheep, and instead speak up for what they believe in.”

    Two problems with that. It could just as easily be said that being anti-Jk is following a different set of sheep.

    And people who are not afraid to speak up and be counted are not afraid to post under their own names.

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  204. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    It’s telling that every anti-Semite that posts here does so under a pseudonym.

    Gutless cowards, the lot of them.

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  205. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,091 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    How do you know Judith isn’t my name Shawn?

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  206. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    She’s well on her way to having another meltdown today.

    Blessed with the gift of prophecy as well, Shawn?

    No answer to the clear evidence of the false apostle Paul’s narcissm, either.

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  207. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    Judith (7,978 comments) says:

    August 12th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Personally I prefer ‘clean cuts’.

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  208. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (1,042 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    ummm, when it comes to elections, yes so do I.

    As I have said before, although I dislike Key, I would prefer him to win and be able to form a National only government. The thought of another coalition government made up in with the current options will, I fear, be the worst thing for this country.

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  209. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “No answer to the clear evidence of the false apostle Paul’s narcissm, either.”

    LOL! “clear evidence”!!!! :)

    All you did was post your usual batshit crazy conspiracy theories UglyNazi.

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  210. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Jewish folk are renowned for being very economical. Yehudit would be far too mean to be wasting time posting under a false name.

    However I do find it hard to believe, despite her bullshit, :) that she has the economy of time to achieve writing a thesis for her PhD and the many full days she has spent on KB for all these years!

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  211. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Oh dear lonknifes still sitting in a pool of piss preaching lies and misstruths.
    The hoppy guy was a drunkard who was binge drinking every week.
    That has more effect then pot on your cognitive capability and is equally liable to blame for the balloon accident as pot
    Another story your own today.
    Drunkin wanker kills drunk girl.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11307802
    “Fact is I’ve taken home probably about 150 girls from clubs over the last few years,” wrote a poster using the initials “GT” and reported by Australian media to be Mr Tostee.
    “When you go out often to the same places and get drunk and talk to girls”

    Happens every day so common for alcohol to kill its not even worth noting in the press
    All you have is a story of two plus two equals five from years ago in you bullshit ignoring of fact to justify your own prejudice whilst drink and killing or drink and death is an every day fact.

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  212. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “How do you know Judith isn’t my name Shawn?”

    If it is I will happily apologise for getting that wrong.

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  213. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    All you did was post your usual batshit crazy conspiracy theories UglyNazi.

    Here’s what I posted (facts, not theories):

    Narcissism was also one of Paul’s identifying traits. The last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.

    Acts 9
    6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

    Acts 26
    15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

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  214. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,094 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    An apology from someone with an imaginary friend? No thanks.

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  215. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    Shawn

    Did you win $20,000 on the footy at the weekend?

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  216. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Is your thesis the shortest ever perhaps Yehudit…..ala….”Bain is innocent… and..and..and.. Nosta is greatly misjudged” ? :)

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  217. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Exactly Ugly, no evidence at all. It’s your rather nutty opinion that the passages in question are evidence of narcissism.

    “The last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.”

    Do you have a credible source for that claim?

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  218. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Judith:

    How do you know Judith isn’t my name Shawn?

    A quick targetted Google search and – hey presto – on this thread, which ironically was called “Key Derangement Syndrome”, you said this:

    Judith (7,980 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    @ David Garrett

    You are always asking me why I don’t use my real name on here and the net – well the actions of tempest above are the exact reason – too many creeps.

    So it appears that “Judith” is a pseudonym.

    Still, if you’re going to use a pseudonym, “Judith” is a better choice than “Harriet” (the guy who uses a girl’s name) I suppose!

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  219. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,174 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    If you are trying to make me reveal my identity by posting evidence of my qualifications, you can suck eggs Johnboy. Given that you’ve said you have never studied to this level, I fail to see how you would know one way or the other. You comment is only worthwhile if I was someone that actually gave a damn what people believe and what they don’t. If I wanted people to believe it, if their opinions about me personally were valuable to me – I’d be posting with my full name, wouldn’t I?

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  220. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “An apology from someone with an imaginary friend? No thanks.”

    Ah yes, there is that rabid intolerance of people with different views again. Like I said, you project your own issues.

    Apologising when they get facts wrong is what adults do Judith.

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  221. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “You are always asking me why I don’t use my real name on here and the net – well the actions of tempest above are the exact reason – too many creeps.”

    Oops, caught out lying again Judith? So in fact it’s not your real name.

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  222. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    In your capacity as Nostradamus what’s your prediction for the trigger point for the next Yehudit meltdown event?

    Will comets and full moons appear first as harbingers? :)

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  223. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,096 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    god you are thick, I didnt’ get any facts wrong. The point I disagreed with was that Gibson posted that comment to start some sort of anti-semitic campaign, as others were suggesting. I do not believe he did that. He posted that comment to insult only one person, and that was John Key. He was not intending it for me, for DPF or any other practicing jew or jewish descendant. He wanted to be insulting about John Key – which as I said yesterday was nasty – but I stand by my opinion that it was not meant for anyone else but him.

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  224. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Given that you’ve said you have never studied to this level, I fail to see how you would know one way or the other.”

    I would, as I do know people who have studied to that level, and working on a thesis is, to put it mildly, time consuming.

    Yet you seem to have a great deal of time to post here.

    Hmmmmmm……….

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  225. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Do you have a credible source for that claim?

    Is the book of Acts not credible enough for you, Shawn, or do you not understand what “proceed to Damascus for instructions” means?

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

    Acts 26
    15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

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  226. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,097 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    You are a bit thick aren’t you Shawn – I didn’t say it was my name, I asked you how do you know it wasn’t my name. I wouldn’t put a name on here that could identify me – Judith doesn’t identify me, you’d need my surname to do that – because I believe, there are many Judith’s in NZ.

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  227. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “You comment is only worthwhile if I was someone that actually gave a damn what people believe and what they don’t.”

    Don’t be silly Yehudit darling. A simpleton like me couldn’t give a fuck about the real identity of a future PhD Laureate with grammar as poor as your’s.

    DG seems to be working on that aspect of your strange personality! :)

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  228. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “god you are thick, I didnt’ get any facts wrong.”

    Your understanding of the history of the term Shylock was factually wrong. Yet you ignored that and kept up the charade.

    Time to grow up a little Judith. Adults admit when they are wrong. Adults don’t claim others are intolerant while filling their posts with intolerant remarks towards others. Adults don’t whine when they go onto a debating forum and people debate with them.

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  229. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Oops, caught out lying again Judith?

    Again? What else are you accusing her of, liar?

    Using a pseudonym doesn’t mean that someone is lying.

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  230. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I asked you how do you know it wasn’t my name.”

    Because I had already seen your response to DG. So I knew it wasn’t.

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  231. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    What is your thesis on Judith?
    I am hoping my partner will finally do hers.
    Her masters was a 1sthons and she has gained a lot of experience and respect within her profession since
    She is winding towards one— in the rape counseling in youth area probably.
    Hopefully you and I dont meet though her professional networks she would never ever ever forgive me.
    I am looking forward to being a reader for her research should be quite an interesting diversion for a while.

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  232. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,098 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Shawn, what do you know about the research process?

    If you know anything at all about getting such a qualification you will know that there are many many steps, each which must be completed and accepted before the next can begin. At present I am waiting for ethics approval because my area of research is a really sensitive subject. My research assistant is helping me by putting together an online survey (he’s doing the programming stuff), so it is ready to go as soon as approval is through. At the moment there is nothing for me to do regarding my study. But I have to be online all this week and was last week, as others are attending a conference, and I am filling in for them as well as my own group, addressing any student queries as they arise. Some days I can sit here and not answer any.

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  233. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Adults admit when they are wrong.

    Like you admitted that you were wrong to call the facts about Acts a theory, Shawn?

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  234. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Is the book of Acts not credible enough for you”

    Yes, I’m fine with the book of Acts. It’s your bizarre interpretation which is not credible.

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  235. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Shawn, what do you know about the research process?”

    Quite a lot. I have had to research for papers, and I witnessed the research my wife had to do for her thesis.

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  236. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “My research assistant “… I hope that’s not the Jewish colleague you pissed off after your diatribe last night Yehudit?

    Might have to do all the hard work yourself…..less time for posing here! :)

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  237. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Like you admitted that you were wrong to call the facts about Acts a theory”

    What “facts” were those again? All I have seen is your opinions.

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  238. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Griff (6,920 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Encourage her to do it, it is the most challenging thing I’ve ever started. I just hope I have what it takes to finish it.

    It is not in the same area as your wife works, but her interests are much needed. There is a real shortage of current research in that topic.

    I can’t say on here what area Griff, that would be ethically wrong. I have no problem with sharing that information with you privately, but it is not for publication. When it gets to the point that it does become public, I will no longer be posting on here (I bet some can’t wait for that !!) :-)

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  239. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,178 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    He wasn’t annoyed, he was the one that made the point the comment was not meant for other jews, and was only meant as an insult to Key.

    I have no knowledge in building databases, I need his skill to do that, and to format the programme to suit the requirements of the questionnaire etc.

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  240. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Yes, I’m fine with the book of Acts. It’s your bizarre interpretation which is not credible.

    My interpretation isn’t bizarre. I said that narcissism was also one of Paul’s identifying traits, and that the last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

    Acts 26
    15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    Also, Paul was characterized by James the Just as being a “vain man”.
    http://www.actsinjunction.info/pages/paul.html#s13

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  241. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    For what it’s worth Judith and I think you are doing a thesis. It is a bit of naughty fun winding you up though. :)

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  242. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    fair enough i am well aware of the ethical considerations around research even my comment could compromise the girl in future if it was identifiable.

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  243. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,104 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    I think we are probably both guilty of that sin Shawn! :P

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  244. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “My interpretation isn’t bizarre.”

    No, it really is Ugly.

    “and that the last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.”

    Evidence? Source? Anything at all to back this up?

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  245. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I think we are probably both guilty of that sin Shawn! ”

    Yup! I think most people here are. :)

    The whole winding people up thing is a very Kiwi cultural trait. It confused the hell out of me when I first got here.

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  246. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    It’s such fun finding out that Judith is pure Aryan with blonde hair and green eyes and that her Jewish friend is just someone she uses because she has to until she can dispose of him! :)

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  247. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,179 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Yeah, and the best part is that you pay for him to do it for me – well actually he’s paid out of my budget, but all roads lead to rome!!

    Ayran = blue eyes.

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  248. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    What “facts” were those again? All I have seen is your opinions.

    They are facts because they are consistent with the truth. You are unable to cope with the truth, so you call them opinions.

    1 Narcissism was also one of Paul’s identifying traits.

    2 The last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.

    My description of “embellished” is probably being too kind to Paul. “Falsified” would be more accurate.

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  249. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    A man in England has been killed after an e-cigarette exploded in his mouth.

    “His face was a complete mess,” said the coroner, “but his lungs were mint.”

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  250. goldnkiwi (1,526 comments) says:

    I think Jew should be spelt with a capital too Johnboy.

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  251. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “My interpretation isn’t bizarre.”

    No, it really is Ugly.

    It’s obvious that you’re full of shit, Shawn. Are you still pretending to be a Christian?

    “and that the last account of the events on the road to Damascus (to King Agrippa) was embellished to make Paul look more important.”

    Evidence? Source? Anything at all to back this up?

    Apart from the verses from Acts that you ignored, you mean?

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  252. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Judith probably thinks the diminutive is fine goldnkiwi specially when she’s denigrating our PM.

    Then again she is obviously not a very educated person despite whatever useless bits of paper she may have gained! :)

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  253. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “They are facts because they are consistent with the truth.”

    No, facts are things you can back up with evidence. Saying that in your opinion they are consistent with what is in your opinion is “the truth”, is opinion, not fact.

    “Narcissism was also one of Paul’s identifying traits.”

    In your opinion. I see no evidence for this claim.

    “My description of “embellished” is probably being too kind to Paul. “Falsified” would be more accurate.”

    And for the third time, what is your evidence for this claim?

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  254. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    ““His face was a complete mess,” said the coroner, “but his lungs were mint.””

    Mine would be cherry bomb! :)

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  255. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “Oh FFS – UglyTruth seems to spend all day here posting crap.”

    The idiot liberal Shawn is as much to blame. (I count 33 comments) So desperate for someone to engage with he doesn’t care how much of a lunatic they may be.

    If those two arseholes had any manners they’d be emailing each other.

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  256. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “Ayran = blue eyes.”

    It’s spelt Aryan Judith (PhD…almost)

    Seeing you know fuck all here it is! :)

    http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask316

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  257. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “It’s obvious that you’re full of shit, Shawn. Are you still pretending to be a Christian?”

    I’m not pretending. And saying I’m full of shit for just asking you to provide something more than just your opinion is a telling indication of your mental state.

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  258. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “The idiot liberal Shawn is as much to blame.”

    Just for a bit of fun, how many people here, apart from batty, think I’m liberal? :)

    “If those two arseholes had any manners they’d be emailing each other.”

    If you had any manners you would stick to your own blog.

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  259. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “My description of “embellished” is probably being too kind to Paul. “Falsified” would be more accurate.”

    And for the third time, what is your evidence for this claim?

    Here are the links to the four times that I have posted the evidence.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1379012
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1379108
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1379122
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1379139

    Note that “proceed to Damascus for instructions” is not the same as “I have appeared to make thee a minister and a witness”.

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  260. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Would you liberally spread some 7.62 x 39 amongst the Jihadists ShawnLH ?

    If so you’re a fuckin Liberal! :)

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  261. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    If those two arseholes had any manners they’d be emailing each other.

    You don’t think that the false apostle Paul lying about a divine appointment is relevant when the head of state is an Anglican?

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  262. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Compared to whom Shawn
    compared to lee 001 you are a radical liberal

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  263. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Here are the links to the four times that I have posted the evidence.”

    That’s not evidence Ugly. They are quotes from the book of Acts, which don’t prove your claim.

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  264. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’m not pretending. And saying I’m full of shit for just asking you to provide something more than just your opinion is a telling indication of your mental state.

    I’ve repeatedly posted verses from Acts – these verses are not my opinion. The fact that you have repeatedly ignored them is a telling indication of your own mental state, Shawn.

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  265. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “compared to lee 001 you are a radical liberal”

    Possibly Griff. I would say just older and a little less doctrinaire about political issues.

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  266. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    @ RB:

    This Shawn character has been spending years posting crap on this site. I just did a google of Shawn/Redbaiter/Kiwiblog and came up with this little gem from 10 years ago. 1 comment from Red, 10/25 (40%) of the comments from Shawn repeating exactly the same soundbites he’s still spouting to this day.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2005/07/tammy_bruce.html#comment-128685

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  267. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Redbaiter:

    Just while you’re here, I should let you know that one of my all-time favourite comments on Kiwiblog is yours:

    Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Reid, if anyone is foolish enough to buy a gold painted brick, the only way of recovering from the situation is to sell that brick to someone who is today as stupid as the original buyer was initially. No matter how many buyers and sellers, in the end, someone is inevitably left with no money and a worthless brick. You can join in the game, or you can stay out of it. If you decide to play, all you can ever do is try the best you can to ensure that when the game is up, you’re not the one holding the brick..

    As of yesterday, I have another comment to add to my list:

    Redbaiter (7,762 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    I think motor cars are far too dangerous for NZers to use. Whereas Americans can drive at 70 and 80 mph and other countries even faster, NZers should only be permitted (by govt) to use horses and buggies. Providing they complied with regulations of course. WOF every two weeks. Driver training monthly. Licences renewable every three months. Nobody under 26 and over 35 permitted to drive. Talking to passengers must be strictly forbidden. No radios or in buggy entertainment permitted. This would I think bring the safety we all yearn for so much.

    Thank for the laughs – much appreciated!

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  268. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s not evidence Ugly. They are quotes from the book of Acts, which don’t prove your claim.

    They prove my claim because the quotes describe contradictory events, and the quote from Acts 26 to King Agrippa makes Paul look more important.

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  269. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “You don’t think that the false apostle Paul lying about a divine appointment”

    How do you know he was lying Ugly? That’s a matter of faith.

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  270. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    Dime was just over at whale oil. Holy hell, they have a little hittler there called pete.

    i guess when hes there hes someone? what an arrogant condescending nut job. i cant believe people would bother cmmenting there.

    “I’m not kidding. This is getting out of hand. If I don’t see some sanity return in the comments sections, there are going to lots of people permanently blocked. THERE WILL BE NO 2ND CHANCES. You idiots should know better by now. You didn’t just come here yesterday.”

    ” If a mod is in a bad mood, it will not go well for you.” – sounds scawy

    “You are not a MOD. Don’t act like one. Best intentions still can get you in trouble.” – lmao

    “I know your background, but I can’t save you if you don’t help yourself. This blog is bigger than your specific needs.” – lol

    “I’m trying to run a decent blog here – if you start chewing into my productive time, you’re gone.” – i thought it was whales blog.

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  271. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “I’ve repeatedly posted verses from Acts – these verses are not my opinion. The fact that you have repeatedly ignored them is a telling indication of your own mental state, Shawn.”

    I haven’t ignored the verses Ugly. It’s your interpretation that I am opposing.

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  272. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    How do you know he was lying Ugly?

    Because he contradicted the earlier two accounts of the event, and there’s no possibility that he made an innocent mistake.
    Also, he has a history of lying.

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  273. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I haven’t ignored the verses Ugly. It’s your interpretation that I am opposing.

    No alternative interpretation exists which gives a reasonable explanation for the verses.

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  274. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “Thank for the laughs – much appreciated!”

    My pleasure, and thanks for appreciating.

    Not many are able to.

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  275. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Because he contradicted their earlier two account of the event, and there’s no possibility that he made an innocent mistake.”

    No he didn’t. Where is the contradiction?

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  276. Maggy Wassilieff (447 comments) says:

    Gosh this Ph.D lark nowadays seems a bit of a breeze…… research assistants, programmers, ethics committees… editors, all on tap.

    Gee, we had it hard back in the dark ages….. lugging our gear into the deep dark bush, stuck on lonely islands alone for weeks on end, subsisting on a diet of eggs and cabbage, then endless hours labbing in the lab, countless hours counting vegetation points and 6 months doing hard sums…. then another 6 months writing the brilliant opus….. such fun. Gives me great status down at Kaiti Mall.

    (actually the hubby didn’t have it too hard….. 3 nights of experiments… 2 weeks of write-up and hey presto Ph.D).

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  277. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    See we do really love you Red. :)

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  278. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    Dime- so called “moderators” are all the same. Scratch one and under the surface you’ll find a power drunk POS.

    Whaleoil’s “Pete” (or “Petal” as he used to call himself and which might give you a clue as to the real problem) is IMHO one of the worst examples of cowardly lying scum on the NZ internet.

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  279. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    ….”Not many are able to.”…..

    Not true Baity…..your “homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist scum” will live with me forever! :)

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  280. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No he didn’t. Where is the contradiction?

    Acts 22 contradicts Acts 26 regarding Paul’s purpose. In Acts 22 his purpose is to proceed to Damascus for instructions, while in Acts 26 his purpose is to be a minister and a witness.

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

    Acts 26
    15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

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  281. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    @ EAD

    “This Shawn character has been spending years posting crap on this site. ”

    Like your constant predictions of a banking apocalypse? Your pro-Russian conspiracy theories?

    “I just did a google of Shawn/Redbaiter/Kiwiblog and came up with this little gem from 10 years ago. ”

    I will happily stand by that comment. I can’t have changed that much, because I still agree with it.

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  282. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Eggs and cabbage must have made weeks in the tent interesting Maggy.

    Judith might smell a tad better if she had to do that too! :)

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  283. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “Not true Baity…..for me your “homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist scum” will live with me forever! ”

    Except I have never said it dipshit.

    TDVM said that.

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  284. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Acts 22 contradicts Acts 26 regarding Paul’s purpose. In Acts 22 his purpose is to proceed to Damascus for instructions, while in Acts 26 his purpose is to be a minister and a witness.”

    That’s not a contradiction. Both are true. He was to go to Damascus for instructions, as well as to be a minister and witness.

    The contradiction is in your mind, not in the text.

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  285. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    Red – petal? lol

    is he actually employed by the blog?

    hes a friggen nutter. his posts are garbage too. an intellectual lightweight

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  286. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    If you said that at an electoral meeting I’d vote for you Red! :)

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  287. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Don’t be so modest Baity….it was when you were at your peak.

    A few years ago. :)

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  288. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    EAD- Apparently Shawn has voted for the National Party and/ or the Republicans all his life.

    Which is just about all you need to know about him.

    One of the best examples of a Progressive enabler as you’d find.

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  289. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    ““homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist scum””

    That certainly sounds like Red! :)

    And come on batty, you post something like that nearly every time someone disagrees with you.

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  290. stigie (1,316 comments) says:

    No Nasska, it was “homo knuckle-dragging marxist leftist commie coward scum”. Get it right ole chap !~

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  291. wf (464 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    Judith (if that is her name?) seems to have a very healthy opinion of her own intellect, and a ponderous sense of humour to go with it. She has learnt well from her students, the art of diversion, in her ripostes.
    She is so busy establishing her academic credentials, what she sees as her ‘special’ status, that subtleties pass her by – good work lads!

    Time to scroll on by.

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  292. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    “Dime- so called “moderators” are all the same. Scratch one and under the surface you’ll find a power drunk POS”

    Says the man who will not allow dissenting opinions on his own blog. You really are a hypocrite Bedwetter.

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  293. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “EAD- Apparently Shawn has voted for the National Party and/ or the Republicans all his life.”

    National, and once for ACT. I don’t vote in US elections, but if I did I would vote Republican.

    “Which is just about all you need to know about him.

    One of the best examples of a Progressive enabler as you’d find.”

    And how does voting for National, ACT, and being supportive of the Republicans make me a “Progressive enabler” Reddy? :)

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  294. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “Acts 22 contradicts Acts 26 regarding Paul’s purpose. In Acts 22 his purpose is to proceed to Damascus for instructions, while in Acts 26 his purpose is to be a minister and a witness.”

    That’s not a contradiction.

    Yes it is.

    Both are true.

    No, they can’t both be true. There were witnesses, we’re not just taking Paul’s word for it.

    He was to go to Damascus for instructions, as well as to be a minister and witness.

    So what you are implying is that despite the witnesses on the road hearing the voice, only Paul heard it say that that he was appointed as a minister and a witness, and Paul didn’t mention this to anyone until he was before King Agrippa?

    The contradiction is in your mind, not in the text.

    Comedy gold.

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  295. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    A true RINO if ever there was one.

    He’d be a fan of George W Bush who once described himself as “A Big Government Conservative”

    If he were in the UK, he’d ignore UKIP and vote for the Tory arm of the “LibLabCon”

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  296. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “He’d be a fan of George W Bush”

    Pretty much, yes.

    That doesn’t make me a RINO though.

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  297. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    You forgot the prog. How could you forget such a basic part of redtards dribbles.

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  298. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “So what you are implying is that despite the witnesses on the road hearing the voice, only Paul heard it say that that he was appointed as a minister and a witness”

    Yes, the message was for him personally, not the other guys. That’s a pretty typical Biblical theme.

    So yes, the contradiction is only in your mind, not the text.

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  299. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Question for EAD and Reddy.

    When did the global conservative movement appoint you guys as the sole arbiters of what is or is not conservatism?

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  300. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Yes, the message was for him personally, not the other guys.

    If the message was only for Paul, then why did the others hear the voice?

    And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
    Acts 9:7

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  301. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Says the man who will not allow dissenting opinions on his own blog. You really are a hypocrite Bedwetter.”

    Yup BB. It’s hilarious watching Red claim that ad hominem is out of the Marxist playbook, and then engage in more ad hominem than almost anyone else on KB.

    It’s also hilarious when he talks about power drunk POS when his own approach to dissent is like a Stalinist on speed. :)

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  302. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “If the message was only for Paul, then why did the others hear the voice?”

    They heard the voice, but they didn’t hear the message clearly. Only Paul did, as it was for him personally.

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  303. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    Shawn

    If you and I are the same person how the hell are we on here at the same time?

    There must be a way to do it, after all that is how Bedwettter gets so many upticks.

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  304. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (563 comments) says:

    Yes, Pete at WhaleOil is your typical white coat wearer and he’s on the payroll with WO. Apparently his little rant will make WO a better place. It’s looking more like The Standard everyday.

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  305. dime (10,102 comments) says:

    i know im stating the obvious but fuck the herald is sad.

    Sporting records that may never be broken:

    St George Dragons – 11 straight titles
    Wilt Chamberlain – 100 points in a game
    Auckland – 61 successful Ranfurly Shield defences
    Cy Young – 511 career wins
    Don Bradman – 99.94 test batting average

    all impressive! but because its the herald and women can do anything.. the best they can come up with for a chick is:

    Laura Langman – 257 consecutive netball games – lol. wow.

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  306. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “You really are a hypocrite Bedwetter.”

    TrueblueNZ commenting policy

    “This is a privately owned Conservative blog. Progressives, leftists, socialists, communists, etc are not encouraged to comment here. Any comment left by any of the above may stand if it is presented in polite terms. This decision is strictly at the discretion of the blog owner. Redbaiter- in the leftist’s lexicon, the lowest of the low.”

    You can see why fuckwits like you are not encouraged to comment there Bigot. Your poorly developed comprehension skills make engaging with you just far too tiresome.

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  307. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    They didn’t hear the message clearly. Only Paul did.

    If they didn’t hear the message clearly, then how come the witnesses from Acts 9 gave the same account as Paul did (in Acts 22 – not Acts 26)?

    Acts 9
    6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    Acts 22
    10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

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  308. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    @ Big Bruv

    “If you and I are the same person how the hell are we on here at the same time?”

    Oh I think we can safely put that down to D4J’s mental issues. :)

    It is bloody funny that he really thinks that though! :)

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  309. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “It’s looking more like The Standard everyday.”

    Yes, everyone agrees with Pete, who agrees with Slater, so its basically an echo chamber for political retards.

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  310. EAD (1,305 comments) says:

    Shawn, Conservatism is nuanced but it can be summed up as being the respect for experience – the collected wisdom of our ancestors. The dictionary defined it as “the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society”. I’d hardly call National radical social engineering “Conservative”.

    What really f**ks me off is that the National Party and Republican Party and Liberal Party and Tory party all piss on their founding principles and are quite happy to spend money like drunken sailors in order to be popular. This big spending religion has come to dominate the National Party and is perfectly enabled by the usefuel idiots like yourself because like Key, you don’t have any principles and don’t understand what conservatism is. Read below for an illumination with respect to debt.

    http://www.debtbombshell.com/immorality-of-national-debt.htm

    “It teaches that the values of our forebears are outmoded and their achievements of no great significance. It preaches that wealth is no longer created through man’s ingenuity and endeavour, but something bestowed upon the grateful congregation by a divine elite. This religion is government, its ministers are politicians and its gospel is debt.

    The National & Labour parties have convinced us that everyone has a right to comfort and happiness and that government has a moral duty to provide it. They believe that wealth and liberation come in the form of paper or electronic money and that distributing limitless amounts of this commodity is a cure for all social and economic ills.

    Only by spending this confiscated or borrowed money is a person truly moral. Anyone who dares to question this twisted faith is demonised. Any politician who questions the wisdom of government indebtedness and debt-fueled consumption is branded inhumane for supporting “savage cuts to vital public services.”

    Is it ethical to inflate our currency to reduce the debt burden, punishing generations of savers and their prudent lives of hard work?

    Is it right that our greed threatens the economic freedom that’s enabled more people to improve their lives than at any other time in history?

    Is it moral that our debt has to be repaid by our unborn children, while we enrich our lives at their expense?”

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  311. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.”

    In both Acts 9 and 22 it is Paul speaking, not the witnesses.

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  312. Maggy Wassilieff (447 comments) says:

    “Eggs and cabbage must have made weeks in the tent interesting Maggy.”

    kept the wild pigs away; not so effective on weka tho’

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  313. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    I am well aware of your highly moderated comments policy Bedwetter. Even allowing for that the hypocrisy of you pissing and moaning like an old women about somebody else’s moderating policy is hilarious.

    BTW, I am still amazed at your ability to give yourself so many upticks. Just how do you do it?

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  314. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.”

    In both Acts 9 and 22 it is Paul speaking, not the witnesses.

    No, Acts 9 is from the witnesses, not from Paul:

    And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
    And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
    And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
    And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
    And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
    Acts 9:3-8

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  315. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Shawn, Conservatism is nuanced but it can be summed up as being the respect for experience – the collected wisdom of our ancestors. The dictionary defined it as “the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society”. I’d hardly call National radical social engineering “Conservative”.

    What both you and Red seem to not understand is that politics is the art of the possible. National is a centre right party, and it must appeal to the centre to win elections and get anything done.

    I don’t agree with everything they do, but they are vastly preferable to a Labour/Green?IMP coalition.

    ” This big spending religion has come to dominate the National Party and is perfectly enabled by the usefuel idiots like yourself because like Key you don’t have any principles.”

    I have principles, I just subject them to reality. Marxist notions of ideological purity at the expense of pragmatism have nothing to do with conservatism.

    Austrian economics has nothing to do with conservatism either.

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  316. Redbaiter (9,586 comments) says:

    “Just how do you do it?”

    That’s funny coming from someone desperately reaching for hypocrisy as an insult, and who was banned from one site for having around 20 different identities and is known to have had at least more than one on Kiwiblog.

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  317. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “No, Acts 9 is from the witnesses, not from Paul”

    That is not what the text says. Nowhere does it say it is his companions speaking.

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  318. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    BTW, I am still amazed at your ability to give yourself so many upticks. Just how do you do it?

    I give him upticks from time to time.
    People should learn to appreciate true comedy.

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  319. SGA (1,141 comments) says:

    dime at 9:10 pm

    Sporting records that may never be broken:
    … snip …
    the best they can come up with for a chick is:
    Laura Langman – 257 consecutive netball games – lol. wow.

    There are some that may be very hard to break, but you can’t be certain that they won’t abandon “testing” sometime in the future ;-)

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  320. stigie (1,316 comments) says:

    “People should learn to appreciate true comedy.”

    When has Reddy been a true comedian Ugly ?

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  321. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That is not what the text says. Nowhere does it say it is his companions speaking.

    That’s not the point. The point is that the witnesses heard the voice speaking, so it is clear that Paul was lying in Acts 26 when he contradicted what they said. If the voice actually said that Paul was being appointed as a minister and a witness then the witnesses would have said so.

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  322. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    When has Reddy been a true comedian Ugly ?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1379173

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  323. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “The point is that the witnesses heard the voice speaking, so it is clear that Paul was lying in Acts 26 when he contradicted what they said. If they voice actually said that Paul was being appointed as a minister and a witness then the witnesses would have said so.”

    The witnesses did not hear what the voice said. So no, they would not. Your getting desperate here Ugly. The text is clear his companions head a voice, but did not understand or hear what it was saying.

    So you have not made your case. Paul alone heard what the voice was actually saying, not his companions, so he is not lying.

    We are back to the fact that the problem is not Paul or the text, but your bizarre interpretation of them.

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  324. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The witnesses did not hear what the voice said.

    If they didn’t hear what the voice said, they how could an account of events be written that wasn’t from Paul’s perspective? When Paul wrote, he wrote in the first person.

    And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
    And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
    And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
    And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
    And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
    Acts 9:3-8

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  325. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “If they didn’t hear what the voice said, they how could an account of events be written that wasn’t from Paul’s perspective?”

    The companions did not write the book of Acts, Luke did.

    The text is clear, they did not hear what the voice was saying. Nor is the account from their perspective. It is Luke’s account, who knew Paul personally.

    By the way, the King James is not always a reliable translation, though that has nothing to do with this issue.

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  326. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The companions did not write the book of Acts, Luke did.

    That’s irrelevant. The point is that Acts 9 was not written by Paul, so the only reasonable explanation for the text of Acts 9 is that the information came from someone who was traveling with him. Remember that at the time Paul was a persecutor of the disciples, so they would have been crazy to take Paul’s word for what had happened on the road to Damascus.

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  327. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “That’s irrelevant.”

    No, it’s extremely relevant.

    “The point is that Acts 9 was not written by Paul, so the only reasonable explanation for the text of Acts 9 is that the information came from someone who was traveling with him.”

    Not at all. The account was written by Luke, who was not with him at the time. That is a historical fact, as we can see the same language and phrases in Acts as in Luke’s gospel. Luke got his information from Paul and other sources.

    This is the intro:

    “In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.”

    Clearly that is Luke speaking.

    Moreover, it is reliable because it is God’s Word.

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  328. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Who would want to comment at trully pooh any way red its just a sycophantic circle jerk for screen licking conservonutters.

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  329. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Why would u argue with a bit of shit ?

    Why would you give a bit of shit creedence.

    Why do you do it ShawnLH ?

    How long can u let UglyTruth pull your string, You fool.

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  330. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No, it’s extremely relevant.

    No, it isn’t relevant that Acts 9 wasn’t written by any of the witnesses to the events on the road to Damascus.

    “The point is that Acts 9 was not written by Paul, so the only reasonable explanation for the text of Acts 9 is that the information came from someone who was traveling with him.”

    Not at all.

    It really is the point, and using irrelevancies and ambiguous language isn’t going to get you off the hook.

    The account was written by Luke, who was not with him at the time. That is a historical fact, as the can see the same language and phrases in Acts and in Luke’s gospel.

    So what? I’ve never contested Luke’s authorship or the fact that he was not with Paul at the time.

    Luke got his information from Paul and other sources.

    If Luke got his information for Acts 9 from Paul, then why did Luke misrepresent it to look like Paul was not the source of that information?

    The only reasonable explanation is that Luke got the information from the witnesses who were with Paul, since that matches the point of view of the text of Acts 9.

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  331. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Cricko,

    For three reasons.

    1. The GD thread is for debate.

    2. There are many people reading this, not just posters, and I feel it’s important to counter Ugly’s crap.

    3. It’s entertaining to me.

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  332. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “No, it isn’t relevant that Acts 9 wasn’t written by any of the witnesses to the events on the road to Damascus.”

    Your case rests on it being the account of Paul’s companions. The fact that it is not is thus relevant.

    “It really is the point, and using irrelevancies and ambiguous language isn’t going to get you off the hook.”

    That would be you using irrelevancies and ambiguous language.

    “If Luke got his information for Acts 9 from Paul, then why did Luke misrepresent it look like Paul was not the source of that information?”

    He doesn’t do that.

    “The only reasonable explanation is that Luke got the information from the witnesses who were with Paul, since that matches the point of view of the text of Acts 9.”

    That makes zero sense. This again rests on your opinion that there is a contradiction between the verses, and you have failed to establish that.

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  333. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Shawn
    How long must you dance at the end of UglyTruths wires ?

    Fuck, Can’t you see that you are dancing to his tune. You Fool.

    ShawnLH jumps whenever….

    UT pulls his strings.

    How sad.

    Silly ShawnLH

    Wake up Shawn. You let the team down.

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  334. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Cricko nobody is forcing to read anything. Get a grip. It’s a debating forum, so I’m debating with someone.

    You’re free to go watch TV.

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  335. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Your case rests on it being the account of Paul’s companions. The fact that it is not is thus relevant.

    Your “fact” is based on nothing but irrelevancies.

    That would be you using irrelevancies and ambiguous language.

    What exactly have I said that is not relevant to the argument?

    “If Luke got his information for Acts 9 from Paul, then why did Luke misrepresent it look like Paul was not the source of that information?”

    He doesn’t do that.

    Right. So logically, Luke did not get his information for Acts 9 from Paul.

    “The only reasonable explanation is that Luke got the information from the witnesses who were with Paul, since that matches the point of view of the text of Acts 9.”

    That makes zero sense.

    It’s easy enough to figure it out.

    The point of view of the text of Acts 9 is that of a witness: eg “And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.”

    It makes no sense for Luke to misrepresent the text, so the only explanation left is the simple one that Luke got the information from the witnesses and wrote their account of it.

    The reason that you can’t accept this is because it proves that Paul was lying when he contradicted the witnesses in Acts 26.

    You’re now using the “God’s Word” argument, and you have previously contradicted yourself on that one.

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  336. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “What exactly have I said that is not relevant to the argument?”

    Everything you have said is irrelevant.

    “Right. So logically, Luke did not get his information for Acts 9 from Paul.”

    No, logically he did.

    “The point of view of the text of Acts 9 is that of a witness: eg “And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.”

    No, the point of view is from Luke guided by the Holy Spirit.

    “It makes no sense for Luke to misrepresent the text,”

    Which he does not do.

    ” it proves that Paul was lying when he contradicted the witnesses in Acts 26.”

    Not at all. The account in Acts 9 is not from the witnesses. Your assumption here is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of Scripture.

    “ou’re now using the “God’s Word” argument, and you have previously contradicted yourself on that one.”

    No, not at all. That issue was about how the canon was formed, not whether or not the canon is God’s word.

    I have been very clear about that. ALL of Scripture from Genesis to Revelations is God’s word, the work of the Holy Spirit. How the canon was formed over time is a different issue.

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  337. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That was hilarious.
    Goodnight.

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  338. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Lost again Ugly. Run away like a coward, like a good little Jew hating Nazi coward eh? :)

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  339. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Hey Shawn.
    UglyTruth craps all over you.
    Craps all over you.
    Runs rings around you.
    You need help babe.
    So sad.
    So very sad.
    You think you are debating, you’r dreaming mate.
    You need help.
    Sad thing is Shawn, you don’t even get it.

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  340. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Hey Cricko, are you on some kind of medication? You sound unhinged.

    No, I just ran rings all around Ugly. That’s why he is running away, again. :)

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  341. cricko (368 comments) says:

    Hey Shawn
    I was on your side. But…..
    But…. you make it so hard.
    Best thing you can do is…
    Shut the fuck up.

    “like a good little Jew hating Nazi coward eh.”

    You make my skin crawl you sick fuck.

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  342. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    “Hey Shawn
    I was on your side. But…..”

    I don’t need anyone on my side. I can take care of myself thanks.

    “You make my skin crawl you sick fuck.”

    Well, he IS a Jew hating Nazi. That’s just a fact. And for someone who was supposedly on my side, you have a strange way of showing it.

    Anyway, bye bye. :)

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  343. cricko (368 comments) says:

    ShawnLH says,
    Well, he IS a, “A Jew hating Nazi.” That’s just a fact. @ 11.27 pm

    see “ShawnLH”

    For the record ShawnLH,

    You make me want to puke l
    You make me sick to my guts.
    You make my skin crawl.
    You are one sick fuck.
    You disgust me.

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  344. ShawnLH (5,750 comments) says:

    Wow, you’re really not well in the head Cricko. Might want to get some professional help with that.

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  345. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    Go away world!
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-vacations-as-the-world-burns/2014/08/11/58755e5e-21a5-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

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  346. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No, I just ran rings all around Ugly. That’s why he is running away, again.

    Like Judith said, Shawn is an a-grade narcissist.

    You make my skin crawl you sick fuck.

    I hear ya, cricko. What’s really dangerous about Shawn is that he’s socially functional. If you don’t argue religion with him he comes across as a normal person.

    For those of you who don’t want to troll through screeds of religious debate, here’s the skinny version: My position is that Paul lied to King Agrippa (Acts 26) to make himself look more important, and that this is one of several lines of evidence that show Paul to be a narcissist. Shawn’s version is that the witnesses who were with Paul on the road to Damascus didn’t hear the voice clearly, and the message was for Paul alone. Shawn’s position implies that Luke misrepresented Paul’s account in Acts 9 to make it look like the account of events didn’t come from Paul, but Shawn agrees with me that Luke did not misrepresent the facts.

    Shawn’s strategy as this point was to introduce irrelevancies and fall back to the “God’s Word” argument. Shawn has previously contradicted himself on this argument, so I want to show the context for the contradiction, since he says it’s only about when the canon was formed.

    Shawn has previously agreed with this statement from RationalWiki.

    “The Bible does not refer to itself as a unit, nor could it possibly do so, since its most recent books were written generations before church councils compiled the canon of scripture. The closest the Bible comes to self-referral and claims of inerrancy is, for example, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, which says “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching…”

    Shawns argument was:

    The canon did exist, it was just incomplete, which is what RW was referring too. And yes, Paul was referring to the OT, but in doing so he makes the point that the legitimacy of the OT is because of it’s Divine origin, which Christians understand to include the NT.

    In fact, the canon was so “incomplete” that parts of it hadn’t even been written when Paul wrote to Timothy about the divine origin of scripture.

    Finally, after his exercise in creative writing, Shawn adopts his usual slanderous position, this time accusing me of being “a Jew hating Nazi”.

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