General Debate 7 August 2014

August 7th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. J Bloggs (250 comments) says:

    Great Billboard modification in the Herald today:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/article.cfm?c_id=702&objectid=11304970

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  2. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders. Six years for a vicious home invasion?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311850/savagery-beyond-belief

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  3. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Obama and his minions ,Baroness Warsi,the UN ,leftists and the world’s media who are so concerned about Gaza don’t give a shit for a much bigger humanitarian disaster and genuine genocide.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11016794/40000-Iraqis-stranded-on-Sinjar-mountain-after-Islamic-State-death-threats.html

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  4. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders.”

    Read the article. That judge has completely failed to do her job. 40 years would be too short for those disgusting pieces of excrement.

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  5. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    Watched that person called Harre .A woman with a mans face.She looked all bitter and twisted,just like her big never missed a meal in his live dotcom documented for all to see A real sugar daddy,financing a party with alleged hot illegal money.Harre has no shame she is as tough as old boots .W

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  6. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    NZ Bus, which operates the Go Wellington and Valley Flyer services, attached surveillance devices to the engines of its 382 buses last August as part of a $3 million investment in driver training.

    Excellent – now to fit devices to every registered vehicle in NZ.

    (You’re speeding – ping !! Ping ping ping !! Oh – gotcha – whoo – gotcha. And again. And again – oooh – and again. Well done. Oooo – there’s another one – thank you very much for your kind donation, thank you very much, thank you very very very much. Every tenth one is free – just kidding – hand it over mate – there you go. Easy does it – got him again – struth – and another one. Budget surplus coming up – keep going – thaaaaank you sir, well played).

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  7. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “Excellent – now to fit devices to every registered vehicle in NZ.”

    You do know that the financial burden to govt of the long term unemployed is one of the drivers behind these kind of actions don’t you?

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  8. Tarquin North (365 comments) says:

    I see the Herald is fawning over gang members again this morning. They might as well print a patch on the front page. Bring on the pay wall it will be their death knell.

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  9. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Being vermin scum who is not to be associated with Red I feel so validated I could cry.

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  10. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Well, how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?

    We are already paying billions of dollars in interest on money borrowed to prop up the welfare state.

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Will Russel Norman’s concerns about plunging dairy prices be so genuine that the Greens will can their proposed Carbon Tax of 12.5%, or at least defer it until prices recover? Or is his unrestrained glee at the latest fall at the global auction more about political opportunism?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/we-cant-help-but-wonder.html

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  12. flipper (4,237 comments) says:

    Here we go again….
    The silly xyz Herald pontificating on matters on which it chooses to remain ignorant.
    It says…

    *** … “Editorial: Peace up to Israel
    Once again, Israel may have bought itself a respite from rockets and other incursions from Palestinian… “

    The Herald and KB readers / commenters should read the excellent Whale piece this morning

    *** … “Compare and Contrast: Part three
    by SB on August 7, 2014 at 7:30am
    …..
    Lets look at how Germany kept its preparations for war hidden from the world prior to WWII and what Hamas has successfully hidden from the world until now.
    Covert preparation for War

    COMPARE WWII …..

    A read of that excellent piece will astound y’all because the NAZI manipulation of and by the media (1920-1929)is identical to what we are seeing/reading/hearing today in respect of Gaza and Israel..

    To paraphrase….. There are none so blind as those who choose not to see…

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  13. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    More lunacy from the Greens:

    Greens threaten expressway with roadblock

    Hamilton’s Ruakura development may have received interim approval to move to its next stage but the Green Party has said it will not commit to completing a major expressway that would feed the transport hub site.

    Green MP Julie Anne Genter said completing the Waikato Expressway through to Hamilton, past the Ruakura site, did not make sense, despite projections the hub would reduce road traffic by 65,000 truck journeys.

    The backers of the Ruakura project, which won interim approval from an independent board of inquiry this week, plan to build a massive logistics hub, retail space, knowledge zone and residential area to the city’s east.

    The $3.3 billion development is projected to generate more than 10,000 jobs and $4.4b in gross regional product, while reducing traffic movements.

    The $420 million Huntly section and the $700m Hamilton section of the Waikato Expressway are scheduled for approval next year but Genter said the money would be better spent elsewhere.

    “I don’t think it makes sense to spend billions of dollars on projects that are going to do nothing to make New Zealand more resilient to higher oil prices and having a more sustainably balanced transport system,” Genter said.

    Work continues south of Hamilton and north of Rangiriri, and the two sections would complete the road from the Bombay Hills to Cambridge.

    “A billion dollars to join up one road to another one is probably not the best use of a billion dollars,” Genter said.

    So, dare we ask, how would Ms Genter spend a billion dollars of other people’s money?

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  14. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    I could be wrong Red – but I’m quite certain you don’t give a toss what anyone else thinks. Waste of key pressing.

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  15. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    “Will Russel Norman’s concerns about plunging dairy prices be so genuine that the Greens will can their proposed Carbon Tax of 12.5%”

    No it won’t. The Greens want to put the dairy farmers out of business – for Gaia. A simple drop in dairy prices won’t stop them. They probably had a celebration drink in the caucus room when the news came through.

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  16. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    “Editorial: Peace up to Israel”

    What a lefty rag. Peace is up to the Palestinians.

    Stop firing the rockets. Oh, look, you did and the shelling stopped. Who would have thought.

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  17. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    Just waiting for the tape made by the big sugar daddy convicted criminal Schmidz/Dotcon and hopefully will be released by apologist Harre.The tapes shows Dotcon inciting the crowd to chant F*** John Key.Certainly hoping the holier than thou, thick skinned Harre will show her real colours,based on her previous controversial track record.

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  18. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  19. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Redbaiter said:

    Well, how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?

    In case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:

    Welfare numbers lowest since 2008

    Social Development Minister Paula Bennett has today released latest benefit figures showing the number of people on welfare for the June quarter is the lowest since 2008, with sole parents leading the impressive results.

    “There are over 16,000 fewer people on welfare compared to June 2013, with the total number currently 293,586,” Mrs Bennett said.

    “When we look back just a few years to 2010, when benefit numbers were around 352,000, it’s clear to see the difference that welfare reforms are making, alongside New Zealand’s strong and growing economy.”

    Numbers on the Jobseeker Support benefit have decreased by almost 7,500 since last year and have been consistently declining since 2010, even as the overall working age population has increased over the same time.

    “Most significant is the 10.7 per cent total drop in people on the Sole Parent Support benefit in the past year, which is happening nationwide with 12 per cent drops in Nelson and Waikato, and an 11.9 per cent drop in the Bay of Plenty, as well as big decreases in Canterbury and Auckland,” Mrs Bennett said

    “Sole parents, particularly those who go on benefit in their teens, have the highest lifetime costs of any group on welfare and are more likely to stay on benefit the longest.”

    “We’ve deliberately targeted our welfare reforms at sole parents by investing millions into intensive support and training and into help with study and childcare, so that working while raising children alone is achievable, and rewarding.”

    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/welfare-numbers-lowest-2008

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  20. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “I could be wrong Red”

    Why don’t you answer the question? You’re prepared to heavily criticise whatever actions the govt might take to keep you in food and shelter but are apparently unable to offer any better alternatives. If you are going to continue a life style based entirely on money from govt, how is that money going to be collected from the increasingly burdened productive sector?

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  21. Simon (764 comments) says:

    “how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?”

    The productive have been long since sucked dry via tax. Apart from tax the sources of revenue for the State are borrowing, govt department fees, selling assets, printing, fines & liens/confiscation of property. The State will never reduce spending.

    Thatcher said that sooner or later the socialists run out of other peoples money. NZ currently floats along on a massive bubble of credit.

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  22. Nookin (3,472 comments) says:

    Penny

    I suspect that given your intention to rabbit on about the repeal of US legislation and blame Key for GFC, the organisers have decided that you have nothing relevant or realistic to say.

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  23. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    @ oldpark – you mean this one? Go right to the end…

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  24. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    Penny Not-So:

    … vigorously and publicly supporting the right of the voting public to ‘cast an informed vote’ …

    Yes!

    Now, so that the voting public can cast an informed vote, would you kindly answer the following questions (which go back to 4 August – but I understand you’ve been busy campaigning):

    1. How many people have made donations through your website since you posted your bank account details?

    2. In the last financial year:

    – What was the total amount donated?
    – Who made the smallest donation, and how much was their donation?
    – Who made the largest donation, and how much was their donation?

    3. Have you spent any of the total amount donated in the last financial year?

    4. If yes to 3, please specify: (i) each item purchased; (ii) when it was purchased; (iii) the purpose for which it was purchased; and (iv) the relevant amount.

    5. In your Return of Electoral Donations and Expenses form, you declared an amount of $42.78 spent on “4 cans spray ink”? Given the unusual nature of that purchase in the context of a mayoral campaign, did the amount of $42.78 come from donations? Were the “4 cans spray ink” used to deface other candidates’ signs?

    6. Have you retained any of the total amount donated in the last financial year as remuneration (however characterised) for your “self-funded work”?

    7. If yes to 6, how much have you retained, and for what purpose?

    8. If yes to 6, have you, or do you intend to, declare the retained amount in your tax return?

    Your answers – all in the name of transparency – will be of considerable interest to Kiwiblog readers and the IRD!

    But, of course, you have no intention of being all that transparent, do you?

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  25. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    Also looking forward to the ACT Party and Conservative Party candidates equally supporting my being given an equal opportunity to be heard at this upcoming Helensville candidates’ meeting.

    Sorry – but I don’t (yet) know your names.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright
    2014 Independent candidate for the Helensville electorate

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  26. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    or maybe because you are a loon?

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    @ Nookin – and I suspect you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    Penny needs to find herself a sugar daddy :D

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  28. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “n case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:”

    Spare me the hollow National Party propaganda please KS.

    The bottom line is govt spending is increasing and whereas this years budget is around $80 billion its projected to grow to around $100 billion in a few years.

    All this from an ever shrinking productive sector.

    There is going to be a massive correction one day, without doubt.

    And who will be to blame for the widespread desperation and deprivation that will arise from that event?

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  29. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    and what Hamas has successfully hidden from the world until now.

    ground penetrating radars Companies in Israel
    20 Results found

    “Ilana Freedman, veteran intelligence analys, raised the issue of the threat of tunnels crossing the Lebanon Israel frontier. The IDF was warned about the Hezbollah tunnels as early as April 2010, including a large tunnel which was being constructed from southern Lebanon to central Haifa.”

    Link

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  30. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Freedom of speech US style.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stars-face-hollywood-backlash-war-723613

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  31. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    Gee Nookin – you have the ability to read minds do you?

    WOW!

    How clever are you?

    You know my subject matter, before I even get the right to speak?

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright
    2014 Independent Candidate for Helensville

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  32. alloytoo (575 comments) says:

    @ Penny

    In the interests of transparency how much did you contribute to the repair of Aotea Square after your squat there a few years back?

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  33. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Penny, once you’ve answered the excellent questions that Nostradamus has asked, could you possibly address this one.

    On the 4th of August, you were singing the praises of Grace Haden, candidate for Epsom, for her policies and “proven track record in fighting corruption”.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/rankin_for_epsom.html#comment-1373364

    I asked you to provide the INDEPENDENT evidence of what Grace Haden has actually achieved. I think the people of Epsom have a right to know the history and the achievements (or lack thereof) of people they are considering voting for – don’t you?

    Kiwiblog – supporting the right of the voting public to ‘cast an informed vote’ – as you so rightly put it.

    Meant – as always – in a CARING way. :)

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  34. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Red – I get the impression that you’re a person who is quite intelligent but you’re just not a fun fella – why on earth would anyone want to bother with your shit ? You come across to me as a nasty vile unsmiling loser who sees the worst in everything and makes me shudder. But who knows, right ?

    Why don’t you answer the question ? Why don’t you answer the question ? I demand an answer !! Answer you vermin !!

    Answer me !! Answer me !! NOW !!!!!!!!

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  35. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    This is not Benghazi, Beirut, Karachi, Tower Hamlets or some other place full of Islamic fundamentalists..
    It is…..
    Sydney.
    Just a short plane flight away.
    ‘Multiculturalism’, look and weep.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&feature=player_embedded

    From the Herald Sun in Australia
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/these_people_walk_our_streets_yet_the_left_reckons_silly_abbott_overreacts_/

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  36. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    John Key – question to Laila Harre this afternoon:

    “Who’s your daddy, babe, who’s your sugar daddy?”

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  37. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    Graham:

    Penny, once you’ve answered the excellent questions that Nostradamus has asked, could you possibly address this one.

    Goodness – you’d think our questions are like garlic to a vampire for Penny – she’s outta here faster than Roadrunner on steroids!

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  38. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “Answer me !! Answer me !! NOW !!!!!!!!”

    OK, so you can’t answer the question- because you’re a vacant headed left wing loser, and not as you proclaim yourself “left right and center”. Just another commie of severely limited intellect complaining about outcomes and in insane self serving denial about his own responsibility for those outcomes.

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  39. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    In the interests of transparency how much did you contribute to the repair of Aotea Square after your squat there a few years back?

    Interesting that this has been brought up. That was in the lead up to the last election. While at the start there were some well meaning participants it was driven by Mana and Sociialist Aotearoa interests. They’ve manipulated themselves on to a much bigger stage this campaign, with a very big “founder and visionary” (and financier) to promote their revolution.

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  40. Nookin (3,472 comments) says:

    No, Penny, I did not read your mind. It is too scrambled. I read the posts where you said what you were going to talk about.

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  41. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “n case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:”

    So what? Nearly everyone in NZ is under employed. Incomes say so. National has been around for 6yrs.

    ‘….welfare….’

    Socialised medicine….education………’government services’ is newspeak for ‘welfare’.

    All national is doing is showing us improved outcomes of socialism. You may get better services for your taxes, but they’re no where near as good as those you would get in the private sector.

    Nothing has changed – much.

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  42. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

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  43. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    @KEEPING STOCK 8.38 am.Thanks for that.Was wondering why the sicko leffto MSM have not exposed the filth as generated by the gang of so called hard done by Dotcon and sycophants party.Also surprised the TVNZ Labour Party channel have ignored it.Not forgetting another who should be better informed,, Toni Street a Seven Sharp person,who last night put her mouth into action before her brain was engaged supporting the sugar daddy funded female.from a dubious party

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  44. dirty harry (517 comments) says:

    Kowtow , re the filth who beat up the lady , why are they always maori ?

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  45. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Gulag,

    Brother Nathaniel is a proper nutcase even disowned and denounced by Stormfront and other Neo Nazi websites
    .
    Meanwhile more conspiracy theory craziness and lunacy Flight MH 17 as a Hoax with a cast of crises actors as passengers and crew,

    http://globalelite.tv/2014/07/25/malaysian-airline-flight-mh17-hoax-exposed/

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  46. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    On 2 July 2014 the petition of Grace Haden calling for an Independent Commission Against Corruption was presented to the House by Labour MP Andrew Little.

    It has been referred to the Law and Order Select Committee.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  47. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    This is not Benghazi, Beirut, Karachi, Tower Hamlets or some other place full of Islamic fundamentalists..
    It is…..
    Sydney.

    From the speech: “The struggle and the Jihad will continue until the words of Allah come true: Judgment day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews”

    Hizb ut-Tahrir are misleading people. The saying that “Judgment day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews” is from the Hadith and is attributed to Muhammed. The Hadith has a history of being incorrect and is actually opposed by the Quran. Also their statement that the Jews have no place in Palestine is contradicted by the Quran.

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  48. dirty harry (517 comments) says:

    Im going to burn down your hoardings Penny Bright when I see them..muwhhahahaha ! ( and where did you get all the money to contest the seat, I thought you were a bum )

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  49. flipper (4,237 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (702 comments) says:

    August 7th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    *****

    Brilliant!

    A classic example of the standard of education you and others (Example … Ugly) of your persuasion received in your gulag

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  50. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system.I

    Is this core Conservative Party policy by chance.?

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dirty harry (439 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Because they are the ones that are caught, and tend to be more violent. The ‘white’ ones prefer to leave them sitting in their own filth, steal or misappropriate their life savings, force them to sign power of attorneys that allow them to spend their elderly parent’s money, and generally treat them like crap, without leaving bruises. (Not all of course – the vast majority of both Maori and Pakeha respect their elders, but there are always some that don’t).

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  52. G152 (387 comments) says:

    The emotive terms used by Goneville about how the farms should be sold to New Zealanders are amusing.
    Back in the early 1920s and the late 1940s very large farms were cut up into small units and balloted out to Returned Servicemen.
    Most of these were not economic units, failed and the farms reverted to larger economically viable units.
    And it costs lots of money to create these smaller farms, fencing, stock water, buildings, road access and internal tracks…
    Another Liebor fiasco in the making

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  53. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    How is it not a fair question to ask what role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which left the derivatives market completely without regulation) in November 1999, when John Key was the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a foreign exchange advisor for the New York Federal Reserve?

    Why don’t mainstream media ask this HARD question?

    Penny Bright

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  54. dirty harry (517 comments) says:

    WTF? What are you talking about you stupid woman ?? What are you on ? Where are you from Judith ?

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  55. lilman (968 comments) says:

    Christsake Penny pay your bloody rates !!!!!!!!!!!

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  56. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Stephie- if you want to stop people from parking in unapproved places, you fine them. The fines drive them away. Simple logic right?

    So how come you can’t see the obvious outcomes over time of continually punishing the productive sector with high taxes?

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  57. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    oldpark – “Was wondering why the sicko leffto MSM have not exposed the filth as generated by the gang of so called hard done by Dotcon and sycophants party.Also surprised the TVNZ Labour Party channel have ignored it”

    I think we all have a good idea why the LSM ignored it.

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  58. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Everyone on planet earth is left wing in your thinking Red – because nothing in known existence could out-right your being.

    Left Right and Centre – accuracy please. Is that deliberate ? Probably – who knows ? Who knows who Red is ?

    No – I can’t be bothered – with over the top hateful windbags. You’re a broken record pal – you’re boring. Really boring. You’re always exactly the same. I’ve seen it over and over again and it’s always the same tired old gobshite. So I don’t see any point in doing what ? Interacting ? FFS – I don’t listen to my cds hoping to change their tune. And I don’t listen to the same track repeatedly.

    I really don’t care – you could type anything – same old Red – same shit different day – he’s off and running – it’s commies – everyone’s a commie – everyone’s deluding themselves – what else ? Everyone’s complaining. Are they ? Where did you get that one from ? I love people who make things up. I’d like to make a complaint about the accusation of complaining. I don’t see any myself.

    Today’s GD song ‘Red Red Whine’. Over and over and over again. Good song. I’ll just look at this as ‘community service’ for the ‘socially disadvantaged’. Maybe I’m doing some good in this world after all.

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  59. publicwatchdog (2,844 comments) says:

    How exposed has NZ now become to derivatives at both central and local government since John Key has been Prime Minister?

    Where ‘on the books’ is the information which is available for public scrutiny – showing just how exposed NZ is now to derivatives?

    Penny Bright

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,268 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 9:14 am
    Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system

    Had a discussion with someone about this over a hot chocolate this morning.

    They made an interesting point – privatising the health care system would result in a tax cut – which would enable people to seek their own cover. Cover which would invariably be based on whether a person lead a healthy lifestyle etc. Perhaps it would serve to be a great incentive for people to actually make the necessary changes to their diets/exercise regimes, that can’t be a bad thing. Whilst good health and fitness isn’t always an incentive – money usually is.

    The draw back is, being a caring nation we would require their to be an ‘ambulance at the bottom of the cliff’ for those that failed to get cover – and the system would destroy itself.

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  61. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “I really don’t care ”

    Wow, that sure is a lot of stuff for someone who “doesn’t care” Sixteen lines and over 200 words. Maybe I have had some small degree of success in awakening you to your complicity and hypocrisy in the matter of a thieving stealing out of control state.

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  62. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    On 2 July 2014 the petition of Grace Haden calling for an Independent Commission Against Corruption was presented to the House by Labour MP Andrew Little.

    It has been referred to the Law and Order Select Committee.

    Well thank you for the answer Penny, but I have to say – is that it?

    You claim that Grace Haden’s role “in terms of policies and proven track record in fighting corruption” positions her as an idela candidate for Epsom, but this “proven track record” consists of getting a petition presented to the House.

    All I can say is, if that’s all she’s bringing to the fight against Christine Rankin’s proven track record, she should ask for her money back now …

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  63. Changeiscoming (199 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock not often I down vote your posts but I did above as your post is totally deceiving. And Reds response is correct.

    While I think Paula Bennett is doing a fine job, National has expanded the welfare state while in Govt – For example, food in schools, free doctors visits age limit increased to 13. All the while taking us further into debt. And dont get me started on working for families. I have a mate that earns $80k plus and loves his working for families payment. It is helping him pay off the home mortgage faster and redecorate the inside as well.

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  64. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    Could Graham Ed. or one of the other lawyers who comment on here give us a layman’s explanation of what the ruling in the Greenpeace case actually said, please. I’m confused. Nostradamus’ comments yesterday made sense to me ( overall lose to Gp ) but other media statements seem to suggest something else. Maybe Greenpeace are spinning it to mean something that isn’t correct.

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  65. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    In case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:

    And do you realise that when you take the recession and the demographics into account – there is NOTHING spectacular about the drop in the number of people on welfare, and it is in keeping with other factors, rather than government moves?

    No… I didn’t think so, and even if you did realise it, you’d prefer to falsely attribute it to the government anyway.

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  66. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    As long as you keep pretending that National Superannuation isn’t welfare.

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  67. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Changeiscoming (147 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Exactly, National has simply re-organised the system, and placed even more ambulances at the bottom of the cliff. It has done nothing to encourage people to be fully self sufficient.

    By extending the Paid Parental Leave, they have now increased the length of dependency from conception to death (funeral payments). Hell, a person can now go from being a fetus to a corpse and be supported by the government their entire life!

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  68. flipper (4,237 comments) says:

    I have rarely bothered to comment on anything that pennyidiot has written, other than to down thumb it.

    But it would increase the sum of human knowledge many-fold if pennydumbarse were to list (most, to least) the top 20 illegal, or un-parliamentary, or improper, or “corrupt”, or call it what pennydumbarse likes, things that J Key has done since becoming Prime Minister.

    Oh if you have trouble pennydumbarse, make that “since becoming an MP.”

    Cold beers and pretzels ,all around, please !

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  69. Grendel (1,005 comments) says:

    i am shocked Penny can spell derivatives. of course its a given she has no idea what they are.

    the reason oh dim one that no one is asking your ‘hard’ questions is that the premise is false. the derivative market in the US was never ‘completely unregulated’, the US finance industry is the most regulated in the country.

    and why should anyone answer any of your questions when you wont answer any asked of you.

    for someone who beleives in transparency for other people, you are very good at providing none on you.

    What is your opinion of white collar criminals who use resources paid for by others but refuses to pay their own fair share of the costs? or is this more double standards from the dim one?

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  70. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    And maybe I’m naked pouring hot wax on my genitals.

    You counted the words Red ? Really ? To type 200 words isn’t exactly pushing the boat out, is it ? I’m sorry – over 200 words. Yeah – that took hours of considered effort to crack out.

    How many words so far Red ? Give me a number if you want and I’ll see what I can do for ya. What number do commies usually go for ? If it’s more than 400 – does that make one more of a commie or less ? You’ve lost me with the grandiose accusations of something or rather . . in your usual theatrical style of course. Reminds me of Shakespeare or something – ‘to what now do we owe the hypocrisy and complicity – for it is I, the commie, who thou hatest though – to wit – it is thee who needn’t shower thy thinking with impure and violent intercobobulations’ – far out Red – do you ever speak non-blowhard ?

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  71. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Do as I tell you, not as I do: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/06/ex-clinton-official-robert-reich-delivers-lecture-on-greed-while-earning-240g/

    Labor Secretary-turned-college professor Robert Reich’s latest lectures on income inequality don’t square with his $240,000 salary for teaching just one class.

    Reich, who served in the Clinton White House and is now a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, took on the topic of “Work and Worth” in an Aug. 2 post on his blog. In it, he lamented that there is “little or no relationship” between what someone is paid and their actual worth to society, and he wrapped up his post by calling for student loans to be forgiven for graduates in fields like social work, nursing and teaching.

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  72. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “You counted the words Red ?”

    No I counted the lines and multiplied that by 15. Not very accurate but good enough and rough for this exercise. The point is you keep saying you don’t care at the same time as you write emotive stuff here by the truckload that proves you do care. Self denial is a major problem with you isn’t it? But then considering your lifestyle I guess it has to be.

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dirty harry (441 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Did you not see the European woman recently jailed for leaving her elderly mother to sit in her own urine and dirt, to the extent that she had maggots eating her – plus she stolen her mother’s money etc. As far as I am concerned, it is not just Maori that disrespect their elderly, and harm them, as you intimidated. People of all races are doing it (not the majority fortunately). It might not have been a sudden violent action, but what that woman did to her mother was equally as disgusting, and she’s not the only one that has been caught doing similar. Elderly abuse is not just a Maori issue, no matter how much you’d like it be.

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  74. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    Calls for civil service inquiry grow:

    Labour’s plan for a royal commission into the public service to address issues such as poor advice from officials, bullying of civil servants by ministers and the threat of “creeping corruption” has gained the backing of a former prime minister.

    Labour’s state services spokeswoman, Maryan Street, yesterday said Labour would initiate an inquiry because the public service had lost much of its protections against “creeping corruption” in recent years and had “lost the courage required of a neutral professional public service”.

    What utter hypocrisy.

    Let’s take Phil Goff (2010) for starters:

    [Goff] had no compunction using notes of a private meeting between former National leader Don Brash and a visiting United States delegation to claim New Zealand’s anti-nuclear policy “would be gone by lunchtime” under a National government.

    Former United States ambassador Bill McCormick wrote in November 2006 that Goff had “misquoted” an Mfat staffer’s notes from the meeting to claim that Brash had promised the nuclear ban would be “gone by lunchtime”.

    It’s notable that Goff refused the Herald’s request under the Official Information Act to release the full notes of the meeting that Brash had with the six visiting Republican senators.

    And, let’s see, for seconds we have David Benson-Pope (2007):

    Prime Minister Helen Clark today accepted the resignation of Cabinet Minister David Benson-Pope saying he had lost credibility following the [Madeleine Setchell] Setchell affair.

    National leader John Key welcomed the resignation but said it was two days’ late and should have come on Wednesday night.

    He said he trusted his press secretary not to leak information to the Government and Mr Benson-Pope should have done the same.

    Mr Key said the neutrality of the public service is important and needs to be protected.

    Oh well, if Labour wants a Royal Commission, then we’ll have to start with their lot.

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  75. dime (10,135 comments) says:

    “The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders. Six years for a vicious home invasion?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311850/savagery-beyond-belief

    6 years????????

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  76. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    You proved what now ?

    Time is a major problem for me Red. Same for everyone. It’s a very brief flicker of existence. You won’t have to worry about the commies or anyone else for too much longer – soon it will be all better. For everyone.

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  77. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Why I support Israel from Pat Condell.

    Spot on Pat and do note the detail and his comment comment on the boycott divestment Israel advocates. Israel produces much, much more than avocados and oranges . More than likely the chip sets that run your computer not to speak of much of the technology behind avionics, industry, technology for both military and non military applications etc, etc.

    But as Pat notes it boils down to a simple equation,

    The Israelis wont peace the Arabs don’t. !

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  78. wreck1080 (3,972 comments) says:

    Justice in New Zealand is no more.

    Judge let the guy that killed steven dudley off scott free.

    No repercussions at all. Nothing.

    even though it was just a scrap and a heart condition was involved, surely some charge like brawling in public would be appropriate.

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  79. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    A copy has been sent to stephieboy’s home address: http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/obamas-half-brother-spills-beans-on-president/

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  80. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Why I support Israel from Pat Condell.

    “All anyone needs to know about the middle east conflict is that the Jews want peace and the Arabs don’t.”

    Pat Condell has shit for brains.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u6yYiWqmeCM

    And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
    But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am YHWH Elohykim.
    Leviticus 19:33-34

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  81. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    Sugar Daddy Dotcons hate speech tape denigrating John Key has made Face Book Radio Live.Viewers are now waking up to the fact just what Harre /Harawira gangs have bought into.To think John Key a real New Zealander has been attacked by a criminal foreigner with such unadulterated filth by Schmidz/Dotcon beggars belief.

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  82. lilman (968 comments) says:

    Muslim extremists need to be exterminated not negotiated with.

    Sad we have Obama in charge.

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  83. Yvette (2,853 comments) says:

    “To talk about me as somebody who would have a sugar daddy, given the integrity that I bring into the political system,
    I find deeply offensive …” – Internet Party leader Laila Harré

    While her manager / visionary Kim Dotcom inspires an audience of young people to chant “Fuck John Key”

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  84. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Manolo ,the Family Photo and the overttly racist attempt to use it to smear and discredit not only The president but the extended family too.! The children in the photo are Obama’s half siblings from his fathers first marriage in Kenya that includes WND’s alleged half bother Mark Obama Ndesandjo, Barack.
    The name is not in the family photo.
    Hmmmm…. !

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/familyphoto.asp

    A word about WND . A rabid right wing blog to the right of Fox News. It’s run by ultra right wing Joseph Farrah conspiracy theorists , fundamentalist christian and creationist.

    Likely the US’s answer to David Icke so bizarre his views .

    WND= World Nut Daily.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/WND

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  85. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Muslim extremists need to be exterminated not negotiated with.

    Got your ticket to the middle east all sorted, lilman?
    Hope you don’t expect anyone else to fight your battles for you.

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  86. backster (2,185 comments) says:

    WRECK…………………..It wasn’t just a scrap. IT was an unprovoked assault. The victim didn’t throw a punch. The original charge was manslaughter and that is what the assailants should have gone down for…. Letting the main assailant off completely is an injustice to the dead victim, his family, the public and even the assailants

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  87. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Penny, I could be incensed on your behalf, believe that a panel programme on Helenville should allow all candidates to speak, but then you say you would ask –

    What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which left the derivatives market completely without regulation) in November 1999, when John Key was the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a foreign exchange advisor for the New York Federal Reserve?

    So, in fact, your campaign will benefit from you not having speaking rights.
    What you conceive to be a record and reputation destroying gotcha question, not to mention the glib brush off you would get, is a total fucking waste of time.

    If you had a relevant, controversial and valid point, you would likely be invited to appear.
    You haven’t – neither the question, or the invitation.

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  88. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system.I

    Is this core Conservative Party policy by chance.?”

    No stephie. Any other silly questions?

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  89. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    wreck1080

    Yep,that’s the second case today.

    Judges act as social workers.Once upon a time we could rely on “the establishment” to deal with crime.However so called progressive policies are encouraging crime and criminality.There is no personal responsibility or accounting thereof.

    They fly in the face of what we want . 1999 referendum.

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  90. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    stephieboy, if someone is using WND, you can’t use snopes. Snopes are not impartial. It’s the Left to their Right.

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  91. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    Yes, this happened in Australia.

    Jewish children as young as five were subjected to a terrifying racial attack when thugs stormed their school bus and threatened to slit their throats.

    Screaming “Kill the Jews” and “Heil Hitler” the louts jumped on the bus packed with about 30 students, from kindergarten to year 12, who were on their way home from school yesterday.

    Police this morning arrested five alleged offenders involved in the attack.

    […]

    Mother Jacqui Blackburn said her three daughters on the bus, aged eight, 10 and 12, were traumatised. “The bus driver opened the doors for these strange men and allowed them on to torment the kids,” she said.

    “They were screaming ‘Heil Hitler’, ‘Kill the Jews’, ‘Palestine must kill you Jews’, ‘We are going to cut your throats and slice your throats open’ — just all very bad, anti-Semitic stuff.

    The thugs got off at Bondi Junction after children phoned their parents in tears.

    Mrs Blackburn said: “They phoned hysterically from Bondi saying, ‘Help us Mummy, strange bad drunk men are on the bus’.

    “Then the phone cut off and another child rang saying, ‘They’re threatening to kill us, they are screaming ‘Heil Hitler’.”

    One female student who was on the bus said: “All we could do was run to the front of the bus. They told the girls they were ‘f … ing c … s.”

    Another mother, Isabelle Stanton, whose daughters Noa, 8, and Anais, 12, boarded at Mount Sinai College in Maroubra, said: “They were screaming racial stuff, ‘We are going to murder you’, ‘We are going to kill you’, and ‘Free Palestine’.

    “When they got on the bus they wanted to sit next to the kids. When they got off they kicked the door and windows of the bus and yelled, ‘We are going to bash you guys. F. ­Israel, Free Palestine’.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-males-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats-five-teenagers-arrested/story-fni0cx4q-1227015860427?nk=5a57273a9ff9be6bef9884112164486b

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  92. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    I think I’d take Snopes over WND…
    They are two different things, anyway. WND pretends to be a news site.

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  93. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Yes, but who cares for your judgment?

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  94. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    mm, the article is news, as far as I can see. It reports the release of Obama’s brother’s new book and gives quotes from it, just like any news site.

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  95. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch at 11.42am,

    Fletch, snopes is an anathema to you that I know but at least it attempts to look at the evidence about Obama a lot more calmly , dispassionately and objectively than you, Manolo and Joseph Farrar etc ever could or want to.

    How WND makes up stuff on the hop,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/worldnetdaily-the-newsroom_b_3824286.html

    Yes WND did releazse the book with the allegations but for what purpose,?

    The fact that WND makes up news and creates disinformation gives you a great deal of confidence .?

    BTW you support the full privatization of NZ’s health care and is it core Conservative party policy.?

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  96. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    stephie, WND is unashamedly right wing, just as the Huffpo is unashamedly left wing. The Huffpo prints some pretty ridiculous stuff as well. Ditto for Salon etc..

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  97. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    Fletch
    the WND story is full of birther rubbish. You really expect anyone to take it seriously?

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  98. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    mm, they are just reporting what Obama’s half-brother says in his book. If you want to consider it rubbish, that is up to you, but that is not WND’s fault. He probably knows his half-brother better than you though.

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  99. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch , but the named half brother by Joseph Farrah Mark does not seem to appear in the family photo.
    Clarify this apparent discrepancy please.?

    The ridiculous and made up stuff Huffington has posted comparable to WND.???

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  100. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “You really expect anyone to take it seriously?”

    When would we have ever had such a laughable expectation of the left? Their intent is always to ridicule and discredit those who speak truth.

    Sarah Palin.
    Ted Cruz.
    Trey Gowdey.

    BTW, see another secretive “Journolist” exposed in the US. Left wing propagandists posing as journalists and udsing their positions to influence public opinion. An unofficial Pravda. That is the left for you, so fucked in the head they produce Pravda style journalism completely uncoerced by govt.

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  101. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Link to story on progressive “journalism” group-

    http://eagnews.org/1000-member-secretive-progressive-journalist-group-uncovered/

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  102. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz ridicule themselves without much help from anyone else. Trey Gowdey I’m not familiar with.

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  103. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    Fletch , but the named half brother by Joseph Farrah Mark does not seem to appear in the family photo.
    Clarify this apparent discrepancy please.?

    He is the little boy standing on the ground.

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  104. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin have like you this in common,

    http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=10472

    and,

    http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=19485

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  105. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch, We can’t be looking at the same family photo. The one in snopes does appear to not have “the little boy standing on the ground..”

    If another photo where did WND or the alleged Joseph Farrah Mark source it from.???

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  106. tom hunter (5,096 comments) says:

    … and Ted Cruz ridicule themselves without much help from anyone else.

    After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review,

    Hey, where have I heard something like that before?

    … and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.
    Referring to Cruz’s time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant.” At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.

    Adequate I suppose (sniff), if you accept the word of certifiable RWNJ’s like Dershowitiz.

    Cruz was the first Hispanic to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States.[45]

    Cruz has authored 70 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court. Cruz’s record of having argued before the Supreme Court nine times is more than any practicing lawyer in Texas or any current member of Congress.

    Remind me again how the Smartest President Evah used his Harvard Law Degree to argue and win cases in front of SCOTUS?

    Cruz has been named by American Lawyer magazine as one of the 50 Best Litigators under 45 in America, by The National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America,

    Oh yeah, Ted Cruz sounds like a guy who’s imminently mockable as a person who ridicules himself.

    Trey Gowdey I’m not familiar with.

    Like Ted Cruz he’s only a Wikipedia search away …..

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  107. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter,

    Very impressive but that does not stop someone like the “Canadian ” Ted Cruz from making idiotic and stupid comments. Please read again more carefully,

    http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=10472

    BTW , Obama can himself boast similar impressive academic etc credentials but that would not stop Birthers and you belittling and demeaning them.??

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  108. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    So when Ted Cruz was wondering whether the Secretary of Defense was taking money from North Korea, or alleging that Harvard was infested with communists plotting the overthrow of the United States, he wasn’t opening himself up to ridicule at all?

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  109. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    LOL, stephie, it would help if you actually looked at the WND link.

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  110. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Much prefer rational wiki

    Ted Cruz is a Canadian-American Senator from Alberta[1] representing Texas, and a gibbering Tea Party nut.

    Like other Republican congressmen from said state, he’s an obnoxious wingnut on every social and economic issue. Unlike them, he has become a leading light in the absurdist wing of the GOP.

    Palin and cruz
    The GOP decay even more towards the raving loony party.

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  111. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch , this issues are simple. Joseph Farrah Mark is a half bother of the President born in Kenya . His half brother Barack Obama was born in Hawaii or does the half brother claim like you and Joseph Farrah that the long form Hawaiian birth certificate was photo shopped.???

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  112. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz ridicule themselves without much help from anyone else.”

    Only in the tiny minds of Liberals Mike.

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  113. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Krauthammer: ‘Lethargic’ Obama seems to have no interest in discussing Hamas, Russia.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/06/krauthammer-lethargic-obama-seems-to-have-no-interest-in-discussing-hamas/?intcmp=latestnews

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  114. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    The hypocrisy of the Liberal-Left.

    “Ex-Clinton official Robert Reich delivers lecture on greed while earning $240G to teach one class”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/06/ex-clinton-official-robert-reich-delivers-lecture-on-greed-while-earning-240g/?intcmp=latestnews

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  115. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    Thanks tom, I looked up Trey Gowdy. A Benghazi nut job.

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  116. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Thanks tom, I looked up Trey Gowdy. A Benghazi nut job.”

    Right or wrong, questioning the administrations handling of Benghazi does not make him a nut job Mike.

    There is, on the other hand, something very nutty about a Kiwi PSA seat warmer with vast amounts of tax payer funded time on his hands to post on blogs during work hours questioning a man who “after graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.”

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  117. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    And he’s been to Harvard, so he would be right when he claimed it was infested with communists, wouldn’t he?

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  118. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Harvard has veered to the left for a long time Mike.

    Given the state of Academia both in the US and here he may well be right.

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  119. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    Seriously, you need to look under other beds for reds.

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  120. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Shawn L H, I would think that $240.000 pa would be a modest amount by GOP and Tea Party standards.
    Is Reich supposed to work as a volunteer for charity.?

    “Given the state of Academia both in the US and here he may well be right.”

    Therefore factually based or… ???

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  121. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    And you drooling All Black fans thought Shooting Seals was pretty heroic! But shooting Zebras…Wow that’s badass and macho!!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/10358749/Crusaders-snapped-in-big-game-joyride

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  122. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Where is the outrage?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/06/Christian-Leaders-Call-for-Help-As-Islamic-State-Sweeps-Sinjar

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  123. cricko (382 comments) says:

    mikenmilds doctor is explaining to mikenmild how nature adjusts for some physical disabilities.

    “For example,” says the doctor, ” if a man is blind he developes a keen sense of touch. If
    he is deaf, he developes other senses.”

    “I know exactly what you mean.” says mikenmild.
    “I’ve noticed that if a bloke has one short leg, then the other is always a bit longer.”

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  124. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    Don’t give up your day job for a career in comedy, cricko.

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  125. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    kowtow, am afraid that it is easier to indulge in the Israel / Jews blame game. But yes it does cry out for answers and responses from the international community including John Minto and those one thousand anti israeli protestors.

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  126. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Without US backing Israel could not stand on its own two feet.

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  127. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Jeez oh dear,

    Longknives @ 3.20 , as an All Black supporter I agree that that if fucking disgusting.
    Puke inducing even.

    These shitheads should be ashamed of themselves. (but brains were never required to be an All Black)
    So they shoot these animals, congratulate each other, take a photo, hop back in their vehicle and drive on.

    Just low feral shitheads.

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  128. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    What’s the big deal? They shot a few wild animals. Not my cup of tea, but so what?

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  129. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Gulag, I think Israel could but certainly Hamas and the PLO would crumble into a heap with out propping up by its Islamic neighbours including Saudi Arabia

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  130. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Apparently the animals for big game hunting in game parks in South Africa are selected because they are sick and/or injured and are going to die anyway. I would not do it myself. Have to agree with mikemild on that one.

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  131. cricko (382 comments) says:

    There was a drum roll and the lion tamer cracked his whip.
    The largest, most savage looking lion opened its mouth.
    To everyones amazement the lion tamer unzipped his fly and stuck his dick in the lions mouth.
    The applauge was tumultuos. There were cheers and calls for an encore.

    The lion tamer went to the microphone and announced,”That act was not difficult. Anyone can do it.
    The owners of this circus offer $1000 to anyone who can emulate that feat, do we have any volunteers ?”

    “Here !’ called a squeaky voice from up in the back row.
    He was called down into the ring and the ringmaster asked him if he was ready.

    “Yes” said mikenmild. “I don’t think I can open my mouth as wide as the lion, but I’ll give it a go.”

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  132. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    gulag1917

    The Israelis stood firm in 1948.Against all their neighbours and Iraq.

    The ragheads would get no where against the Israelis today if they didn’t have arms supplies either.

    Where do the gaza rockets come from.Syria,Iran and where else?Lots of money from Qatar behind the Islamic terrorism.No one talks about that.

    How the hell did they get the World Cup?

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  133. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Yup, gotta agree with Mikey. Cannot see what the fuss is about with regards to game hunting.

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  134. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    KB’s resident jidahist will blame Israel for this too:

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  135. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Mikey
    “Don’t give up your day job for a career in comedy, cricko.”

    Jeez, if would be nice if you actually did your day job. Fucking lazy public servant.

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  136. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    Television Labour Party TVNZ seem to be ignoring the blatant hate speech by Dotcon on John Key.They were all over the news on the sugar daddy quip.Up to now there is no sign they will mention the hate speech attack on our PM.Even TV3 are reporting on it .Will be interesting if they REPORT THE NUMBER ONE STORY OF THE WEEK,ON SIX O CLOCK NEWS TONIGHT.07 08 2014.jUST TO PROVE THEY ARE NOT BIASED.

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  137. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    “Apparently the animals for big game hunting in game parks in South Africa are selected because they are sick and/or injured ”

    Which in my books makes the actions of these so-called ‘Tough Guys’ even more laughable.
    Look at the guy posing with his face daubed in blood- What a ‘mighty hunter’ he thinks he is!

    The only thing worse than these pathetic morons is their hero-worshiping New Zealand public who gush and drool over their every action and justify behaviour like this..

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  138. cricko (382 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Try conjuring with this.

    It’s one thing to go pig hunting, or deer stalking for some game meat.
    Or even shooting vermin like rabbits or possums.

    It’s a totally different thing to shoot a magnificent animal for the’ fun’ of it and just leave it to rot.

    It’s not sport, it has no purpose, it’s just fucking sick.
    And takes about as much skill as shooting fish in a barrell.

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  139. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Not a rugby fan I take it LK?

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  140. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Another Islamic savage: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/11011634/Islamic-States-new-icon-is-a-hipster-jihadi.html

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  141. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “It’s one thing to go pig hunting, or deer stalking for some game meat.
    Or even shooting vermin like rabbits or possums.

    It’s a totally different thing to shoot a magnificent animal for the fun of it and just leave it to rot.”

    Well it’s not my thing. I did a lot of hunting with an uncle when I was young and I would never just leave something to rot.

    That said, the affair is a storm in a tea cup imo.

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  142. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Israels incursion into Gaza was a sledgehammer sorting out an ant.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_domestic_weapons_production

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  143. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Not really Gulag.

    “Iranian Official Confirms Tehran Sent Missile Technology To Hamas”

    http://www.rferl.org/content/iran-hamas-missile-technology-transfer-israel/26514553.html

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  144. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Yeah. ShawnLH

    It is a storm in a teacup. But even you agree that you would not do it.

    mikenmild 3.51 would but.

    Only a fucking feral moron would shoot a zebra just for the fun/hell of it then drive off and leave it to rot.

    Shooting cows or sheep in some farmers paddock then driving off is just as brave or sporting.

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  145. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    All on Red.

    My son has bought his ’66 fastback Mustang. He has secured it in Nova Scotia, Canada. for $24,000 Can. He is presently arranging shipping etc. – will take possibly 2 months to get it here.

    There was an amazing co-incidence – his wife has an uncle who lives near Montreal. Daman contacted him to see if he knew how it could be inspected, because ot was too far away for the uncle to inspect. Amazingly, his uncle has a cousin who lives 2 doors down the street in the same town, is a Mustang fan, and has 2 of his own, and knows the car that my son has bought.

    Sometimes, you just shake your head in disbelief – but it actually happened.

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  146. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Only a fucking feral moron would shoot a zebra just for the fun/hell of it then drive off and leave it to rot.”

    Well, I wouldn’t go that far. Like I said, not my cup of tea, but I don’t see anything overly wrong with it either. Rotting meat does provide food for carrion. Circle of life and all.

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  147. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    What a laugh,don mckinnon was at the funeral of millie elder-holmes bonker gangster,morris send of. Fuck the police are the biggest gang in NZ and national are the second biggest gang and mckinnon stood in for john keys gsngPS has mckinnon turned up to your parents funeral ,no NATIONAL only turns UP TO DRUGGIES FUNERALS, they are important

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  148. Albert_Ross (311 comments) says:

    cricko, are you under the impression that the zebra would otherwise have died a peaceful, painless and dignified death?

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  149. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Wheres the support for larry williams, the poor piece of rubbish is wetting his pants over Kims little rally, give the bauldy some support, what a wanker

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  150. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “What a laugh,don mckinnon was at the funeral of millie elder-holmes bonker gangster,morris send of. Fuck the police are the biggest gang in NZ and national are the second biggest gang and mckinnon stood in for john keys gsngPS has mckinnon turned up to your parents funeral ,no NATIONAL only turns UP TO DRUGGIES FUNERALS, they are important”

    Are you on some kind of medication?

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  151. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Albert-Ross @5.11

    No. It might have though. We will never know now.

    Following your ‘logic.’
    What would be wrong with shooting all the animals on earth, every single one ?
    Any problem with that ?

    See how silly you are A_R ?

    FYI I have walked up to a herd of 30 or so grazing zebra to within less than 100 yards before they bolted. And walked up, I did not stalk
    them. Could’ve got closer if I tried.
    I could have killed, say, 15 or so with a Bren gun.

    Any fuckin idiot can shoot a zebra, it’s not sport, it’s not fun.

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  152. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “What would be wrong with shooting all the animals on earth, every single one ?
    Any problem with that ?”

    Well now you have descended into loony tunes land.

    “Any fuckin idiot can shoot a zebra, it’s not sport, it’s not fun.”

    Not to you, but to others it would be. It’s purely subjective.

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  153. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    ‘it’s not sport, it’s not fun’
    I feel the same way about darts, but I’m not going to get upset about it.

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  154. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    “Not to you, but to others it would be. It’s purely subjective.”

    What a ridiculous argument! So it’s okay if Richie McCaw wants to shoot an elderly Panda Bear for fun?
    I know that these guys are your heroes Shawn but think about what you are saying- You are better than that!

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  155. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    I feel the same way about cricket and soccer.

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  156. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Jeez Shawn
    Sometimes stuff you say makes sense but you are letting yourself down here.
    And for what ?
    5.48 was particularly vacuous.

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  157. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “So it’s okay if Richie McCaw wants to shoot an elderly Panda Bear for fun?”

    If I’m not mistaken Panda’s are endangered, Zebras are not. That is an important distinction to me.

    “I know that these guys are your heroes Shawn”

    Hardly. I enjoy watching the All Blacks play, but I’m generally more of a league fan, and, when I get the opportunity, Gridiron.

    But while I enjoy some sports, I would not consider any sporting person to be a personal hero.

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  158. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Sometimes stuff you say makes sense but you are realy letting yourself down here.”

    I’m a conservative right winger. I’m surprised anyone thinks I would get upset about this in the first place.

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  159. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Interestingly when I posted a link a few months back passing scorn on the American chick who was shooting African Wildlife I got a truckload of support/upticks.
    But when it is our untouchable All Black ‘Heroes’ who are blasting African Wildlife to bits then smugly posing with the carcasses you all come out in support of them!

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  160. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    ” I would not consider any sporting person to be a personal hero.”

    C’mon Shawn I strongly suspect your bedroom walls are adorned with posters of the self-professed “Greatest Sports Team in the History of the Universe”…

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  161. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    Laila, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen woman.
    You have a sugar daddy, and no amount of money will change the public opinion on that

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  162. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Maybe like the alleged odd figure figure on the moon this alleged alien base on the moon was found to be a result of digital artifacts originating with the layering and zooming of google maps,

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-alien-base-on-the-moon-triangle-of-dots-photo-artifact

    Might spoil the party for some of in resident UFO and conspiracy devotees.

    But as the author shows people out there really, really want to be believe that there is Alien life out there despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

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  163. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “C’mon Shawn I strongly suspect your bedroom walls are adorned with posters of the self-professed “Greatest Sports Team in the History of the Universe”…”

    Oh dear. Let me be clear, I have zero problem with legal hunting for sport. That, and that alone, is the reason I see nothing wrong with this. It really does not matter to me who is doing it. If the American women you spoke of was engaged in legal hunting, I would have down ticked you for that as well.

    What I think is that you have some kind of personal animosity towards the All Blacks, and this issue is just a hook for that. As for me, I don’t have strong feelings about them either way.

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  164. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    ‘you have some kind of personal animosity towards the All Blacks’
    Longknives? Surely not?

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  165. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    But as the author shows people out there really, really want to be believe that there is Alien life out there despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

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  166. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, very disappointing . It could be anything really whatever takes your fancy . Lets see- a Dingo,feral dog or cat, wombat or morel likely flare or artifact on the lens with the video camera wobbling and bobbing about so much.
    Sigh. ! A bit of a joke actually.
    Try something else

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  167. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    UT, if you want something serious on that, check out this site.

    Here’s an interesting starter:

    http://projectcamelot.org/pete_peterson.html and http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html.

    And this is the overview:

    http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html

    Sad fact is, most people, as you know, do their thinking by subconsciously seeking resources that backup their predetermined perspective and we see this coming through in their limited arguments based on their limited perspectives shaped out of their limited worldviews. Hammer boy is a classic but you see it in most people all the time, in their politics and in their life.

    You see it in lefties by the way they get excited about successful people in hallucinating for example the only way they’ve become successful is by climbing over others to get there and you see it in conservatives who hallucinate for example the only media bias that exists is leftist and it never seems to occur to them that the media bias is in the stories they don’t cover more than it is in the way they cover the limited stories they cover.

    For example.

    Aliens however doesn’t have the fear factor for people. It doesn’t have the ego-busting humiliation factor that is the reason why people act like I’ve described, because there is no shame in admitting you were wrong on this topic because it’s like the new frontier and everyone knows knowledge is developing.

    But having said that it’s interesting isn’t it that most people still don’t go there and all I can think of is because they give a fuck about what other people think. They probably don’t consciously process that but that’s the only thing that makes sense. Tony Robbins once said his research indicated a significant proportion of people would rather die than speak in public. That’s right. They’d rather die than face humiliation, as they saw it.

    I don’t know if its true for you but for me, I’ve been taught since childhood never to worry about what other people thought of what I did or what I said, within of course the boundaries of civilised behaviour. Of course for example I’ve also been taught to love others, but that’s different from caring what they think about me or about what I’ve just said. And I wonder if this comparatively rare attribute is what gives you, EAD, I and a few others the capacity to see straight through the bullshit that surrounds subjects like alien life, 911, Iswael and numerous others, and just focus, dispassionately, on the data, whatever it may be, whoever says it, whenever and from whomever it comes. Whereas for all the other people, who know the answer already (because their tummy tells them so), data is anaethema, it’s bullshit, it doesn’t matter, how could their view be wrong, being as it’s shared by millions of others around the world, etc etc etc.

    Evidence-based thinking, to them, is a mindfuck because they don’t want evidence, they can’t handle the evidence.

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  168. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Evidence-based thinking”

    Comedy gold Reid! :)

    You, Ugly and EAD are always good for a laugh!

    “And I wonder if this comparatively rare attribute is what gives you, EAD, I and a few others the capacity to see straight through the bullshit”

    Your friend Ugly denies that Jesus is the Messiah, thinks St Paul is a liar, and does not believe that Christ died on the cross.

    How is that for ” the capacity to see straight through the bullshit”?

    Hanging out with anti-Christs is not a good idea Reid, let alone going to bat for them.

    Oh, and that itchy feeling on the bottom of your feet? No, your feet not your tummy. That’s the flames of hell son.

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  169. wiseowl (937 comments) says:

    Great result in Campbells very scientific poll taken in Oharreoo.

    National way ahead of Untied in jube poll.

    Yay.!

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  170. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    I don’t know if its true for you but for me, I’ve been taught since childhood never to worry about what other people thought of what I did or what I said, within of course the boundaries of civilised behaviour.

    I think that’s it, that most people are ruled by how society judges them. To them being accepted by their peers is the measure of their self-worth.

    Back in the forties the ET phenomena didn’t have the ridicule factor, so when encounters occurred the public were curious rather than dismissive.

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  171. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Your friend Ugly denies that Jesus is the Messiah

    Really? When did I do that?

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  172. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    “Evidence-based thinking”

    Comedy gold Reid!

    Yes hammer boy. Like the way you really really really believe Bibi’s statement that Iswael weally weally weally wegwets every single civilian death they’ve caused, isn’t it.

    You and your ilk of fools really truly believe that, don’t you.

    If you don’t, then say so.

    Go on.

    I think that’s it, that most people are ruled by how society judges them.

    They rule themselves, UT. That’s the tragic thing. The key to their own freedom is inside themselves and always has been…

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  173. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Really? When did I do that?”

    A few days back when you claimed that the Messiah in the OT is not Christ.

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  174. EAD (1,331 comments) says:

    Thanks Reid (7.18pm) for this well thought out comment.

    I had been thinking about the ongoing frustration we have with people who will not wake up. I like to analyse reasons for things, so I tried to figure out what the difference is between those who doze on and those of us who keep shouting to the deaf, those who roll their eyes as we plead for their very survival.

    I tend to be responsible, loyal, a team player, the perfect candidate for sheepledom, where I resided for most of my adult life. The whole time, however, I always sensed that a lot of stuff didn’t quite add up. There was always a vague uneasiness about the storyline. I now understand that what was operating was my sense of intuition, a life tool I had trained myself to ignore for my whole life. The thing that really caught my attention was the 2008 financial crisis and recognising the futility of all these ME wars being fought. I could no longer ignore what my gut was telling me.

    By chance, have you ever done the Mylers-Briggs personality test? I can guarantee you, you’ll be an INTJ. Those of my friends who I know are able to at least block out some of the constant sh*t being spewed by the MSM all had the N (for intuitive) component. After your comment, I reviewed iNtuiton and its opposite quality, Sensing. What I rediscovered is that Sensors are concrete, realistic, live in the present, are aware of surroundings, notice details, are practical, and factual. They are concrete thinkers, processing information through their five senses. On the other hand, us iNtuitives are future-focused, see possibilities, are inventive, imaginative, deep, abstract, idealistic, complicated and theoretical. We process information through patterns and impressions; we read between the lines.

    After reviewing these factors I had an aha moment regarding the sleepyheads. I just bet you that most of them are Sensors. In their practical take on life, they have not yet seen that anything really bad is happening because their world still appears to be fairly normal. This also explains why they can be easily fooled by a false narrative if it confirms the environment they perceive. They don’t sense anything wrong about the unsustainability of the debt spiral the country is on because it doesn’t seem to have affected their daily lives………yet.

    In short, we iNtuitives speak a foreign language to the Sensors. All the things that could possibly happen don’t concern them. When they see concrete evidence, then they’re on board. It is a good reminder that when we do try to awaken someone, if we can approach it from good evidence rather than possibilities, we might be more successful. This requires facts and figures, not generalities.

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  175. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Like anyone should believe what you say, Shawn.
    Remember your little slander episode earlier today?

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  176. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    ” Like the way you really really really believe Bibi’s statement that Iswael weally weally weally wegwets every single civilian death they’ve caused, isn’t it.”

    You do realize that writing this way makes you look like a fruitloop right? I mean, if you wan’t to look like a nutjob, all power to you, but it does your arguments no good.

    “They rule themselves, UT. That’s the tragic thing. The key to their own freedom is inside themselves and always has been…”

    No, freedom is found in Christ. Claiming that freedom is within is Gnosticism. But then, I already knew your were a heretic pretending to be a Christian.

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  177. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Like anyone should believe what you say, Shawn.”

    Oh I think on that front I’m safe compared to you, given that the vast majority of KB folks think your a nut.

    “Remember your little slander episode earlier today?”

    Not slander, fact. That is why a judge sent you to get a psych evaluation. You’re not ok in the head Ugly.

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  178. cricko (382 comments) says:

    And now the resident jihad lover UglyTruth sticks his head up again.

    When it was pointed out to poor old UT that the latter more vile verses of the koran abrogate earlier more moderate ones,
    and this principle is even explained in the koran itself, and UT is given chapter and verse to prove that fact, this pathetic jihad
    lover comes up with his own testament.

    This is what the drong said.

    “In Islam there is no abrogation if the situation would be made worse by it.”

    No kidding, this drong actually said that.

    How ludicrous. Nowhere does it say that and even if it did who the fuck makes the subjective call on what “worse” is ?

    This shows that there is no such thing as a straight up debate with a radical muslim. (or one of their suckarses)

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  179. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    @EAD

    I see it as a distinction between people who focus on the concrete and people who focus on the abstract or the intangible. Those who focus on the concrete have a good grasp of the here and now, but those who focus on the intangible are aware of the the laws of nature and are able to make reasonably informed guesses about what the future will hold for scenarios that they are familiar with.

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  180. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Tony Abbot- another betrayer of Conservatives in the style of Key, Cameron and Bush?

    Andrew Bolt

    This Liberal Government:

    – has dropped its plans to restore free speech.

    – maintains the fiction that man-made global warming threatens the world and we can stop it.

    – proposes to change the constitution to divide Australians on the basis of their “race”.

    – maintains absurdly high levels of immigration despite evidence of overcrowding and social dysfunction.

    – has actually increased government spending.

    – has left the ABC largely untouched, and dangerously huge.

    – has left the Human Rights Commission intact and now functioning as a de facto opposition.

    – proposes intrusive new surveillance powers it struggles to explain.

    – has left oppressive workplace restrictions in place.

    – has raised the top tax rate by 2 per cent, and broke an election promise in doing so.

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  181. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Oh I think on that front I’m safe compared to you, given that the vast majority of KB folks think your a nut.

    I believe you may have confused me with someone who gives a flying fuck.

    Not slander, fact. That is why a judge sent you to get a psych evaluation. You’re not ok in the head Ugly.

    Nothing to do with the fact that he was caught in a fraud and the psych eval didn’t find anything wrong, eh Shawn?

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  182. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ shawn

    Oh I think on that front I’m safe compared to you, given that the vast majority of KB folks think your a nut.

    Hey, you just had a go at me for saying ‘we’ and accusing me of talking for others and here you are doing the same.
    Have you asked the majority of KB folks if they think that?

    Just giving a person a tick down, doesn’t indicate what a person is thinking.

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  183. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Good guess EAD. I’m an INFJ. And I think your hypothesis is interesting, too bad Nigel Latte probably doesn’t read KB, pursuing you line of thought and putting it on telly might make a huge diff if it panned out…

    You do realize that writing this way makes you look like a fruitloop right?

    Explained why awhile ago hammer boy. Educate yourself. http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/maori_offending.html#comment-1367466

    Sorry to remove one of your slanderous accusations from me in particular, hammer boy. I imagine you’ll only take around a few secs to come up with another one though, it seems to be one of the things you’ve spent a lot of your life thinking about how to get really good at. Looking from the outside in… Wonder what your MB profile is. IIRC correctly arrogance isn’t one of their measures so you might not be assessed accurately.

    But then, I already knew your were a heretic pretending to be a Christian.

    And the way to establish that serious accusation against a fellow brother is to ask your wife to pick up the phone and talk to Ellie, but you’re not about to do that, are you. Are you. Are you. Are you. Noooooooooooooo. Think about what I said above Shawn. Paints you to a T. When you put your faith on the line by alleging what you just said about a fellow brother given he’s previously days ago given you the solution to your question, it’s a serious indication of where you’re at, brother.

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  184. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Nothing to do with the fact that he was caught in a fraud”

    No, your opinion is that he was because he disagreed with your moonbat interpretation of the law.

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  185. mikenmild (11,779 comments) says:

    You know Myers-Briggs is complete pseudoscience, don’t you?

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  186. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    When it was pointed out to poor old UT that the latter more vile verses of the koran abrogate earlier more moderate ones,
    and this principle is even explained in the koran itself, and UT is given chapter and verse to prove that fact, this pathetic jihad
    lover comes up with his own testament.

    Wow, cricko, you are one seriously fucked up puppy.

    This is what the drong said.

    “In Islam there is no abrogation if the situation would be made worse by it.”

    No kidding, this drong actually said that.

    How ludicrous. Nowhere does it say that

    We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
    Surah 2:106

    Here’s the context to the original argument.

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  187. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “And the way to establish that serious accusation against a fellow brother is to ask your wife to pick up the phone and talk to Ellie, but you’re not about to do that, are you. Are you. Are you. Are you. Noooooooooooooo.”

    Actually yes. She is ringing Ellie next Monday (she’s on leave this week) to give her a heads up that you dragged her name into the public eye and associated her with your vile claim that Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy.

    You had no right to do that, it was unfair and grossly irresponsible to her to bring her and her church into disrepute that way.

    So yes Reid, she is getting a call.

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  188. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    No, your opinion is that he was because he disagreed with your moonbat interpretation of the law.

    No, I said that he had misrepresented my position and that was fraudulent, and he said “yes”. He said that it was due to the “rules”.

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  189. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Actually yes. She is ringing Ellie next Monday (she’s on leave this week) to give her a heads up that you dragged her name into the public eye and associated her with your vile claim that Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy.

    Shawn if your wife puts the call in those terms, then God will be in touch with both of you.

    And I hope you both listen.

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  190. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbm49880nte6mnm/Conservonutter%203.jpg

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  191. cricko (382 comments) says:

    And Reid, I do respect your opinion.

    Have you any thoughts on the concept of abrogation regards the koran ?
    ie. Later verses overrule earlier verses, the concept as explained in 2:106 sura 8.

    Therefore. 9.5 (the later)
    “Kill the unbeliever wherever you find them, but if they repent and perform As-Salat then
    leave their way free. Verily Allah is oft forgiving-most mercifull.”

    Is what radical muslims adhere to and use it as one of their justifications.

    PS I note that when defending radical islamists UglyTruth now refers to them as “WE”
    Oh dear.

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  192. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Have you any thoughts on the concept of abrogation regards the koran ?

    Not really because I’ve never read it.

    I do have thoughts on Islam though.

    Want to hear them?

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  193. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    “Kill the unbeliever wherever you find them, but if they repent and perform As-Salat then
    leave their way free. Verily Allah is oft forgiving-most mercifull.”

    I’ve previously shown that his verse is a mistranslation.

    PS I note that when defending radical islamists UglyTruth now refers to them as “WE”

    What are you talking about, cricko?

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  194. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Want to hear them?

    Yeah, why not.

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  195. cricko (382 comments) says:

    And hey UglyTruth,
    After reading your 8.07
    Who, in your opinion makes the call on which verse overules another when the koran clearly states that the later
    overules the former. ?

    And, trying to do the impossible and tie down one of your ilk.
    Did you, or did you not say that,
    “There is no abrogation if the situation would be made worse by it.”

    Simple yes or no answer is all that is called for. And.
    Where did you get that from ? or did you pull that straight out of your arse ?

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  196. cricko (382 comments) says:

    This is so much fun.

    Poor old UglyTruth is starting to fall apart before our very eyes.
    So hard trying to defend the indefensible.
    Isn’t it Ugly ?

    Already resorting to the old tactic of attributing specious arguments to your adversary and then attacking those, eh! Ugly ?

    Pittifull.

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  197. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Reid.
    Radical islam, as endorsed by our mate Ugly, yes.

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  198. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Who, in your opinion makes the call on which verse overules another when the koran clearly states that the later
    overules the former. ?

    The Quran does not say that the later overrules the former, but it is implied when a better or similar one is brought forth.

    We do not abrogate (yansakhu) a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
    Surah 2:106

    The word abrogate is translated from the Arabic yansakhu, which means abolish.

    And, trying to do the impossible and tie down one of your ilk.
    Did you, or did you not say that,
    “There is no abrogation if the situation would be made worse by it.”

    Yes, I said that.

    Where did you get that from ?

    From a process of logical reasoning. “better than it or similar to” is logically equivalent to “not worse”.

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  199. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 8:07 pm

    You know Myers-Briggs is complete pseudoscience, don’t you?

    I don’t think that matters here, does it?

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  200. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Poor old UglyTruth is starting to fall apart before our very eyes.
    So hard trying to defend the indefensible.
    Isn’t it Ugly ?

    Seriously, cricko, are you on drugs or something?

    Already resorting to the old tactic of attributing specious arguments to your adversary and then attacking those, eh! Ugly ?

    Which argument of yours do you think that I misrepresented?

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  201. EAD (1,331 comments) says:

    Quite interesting when you look at the people who have your same personality types. Despite making up only 2% of the population, a disproportionate numbers of the politicians I admire are all INTJ’s – Thomas Jefferson, John F Kennedy, Ron Paul and (this one will confirm it for Shawn)…..Vladimir Putin

    Also, many of people I quote often such as Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzche, H.L. Mencken, John Adams, Heraclitus and Hegel and Roger Waters from Pink Floyd are all INTJs. Explains the inspiration for so many Pink Floyd songs such as this:

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  202. cricko (382 comments) says:

    So Ugly,
    If the word abrogate means “abolish” When the koran itself, or muhammed, or whoever wrote it down for him
    used the term abolish to explain how a later verse abrogates or “abolishes” a previous verse then
    surely the ‘Verse of the sword’ 9.5 (which i quoted) takes precedence over earlier verses. Right ?

    And, you state that you get your explanation that there is no abrogation unless the situation would be made
    worse by it from a “process of logical reasoning” Whose logical reasoning ? Your logical reasoning ?

    Who decides the definition of “worse.” You ?

    Heard of, ‘painting yourself into a corner’ Ugly ?

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  203. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    If the word abrogate means “abolish” When the koran itself, or muhammed, or whoever wrote it down for him
    used the term abolish to explain how a later verse abrogates or “abolishes” a previous verse then
    surely the ‘Verse of the sword’ 9.5 (which i quoted) takes precedence over earlier verses. Right ?

    No. You’re not considering the essence of the verse, that abrogation does not occur unless something similar or better is introduced.

    The verse of the sword only takes precedence of over earlier verses which are worse.

    Who decides the definition of “worse.” You ?

    No, the ethical framework is described by the the Torah, the gospels, and the Quran itself. Peace, justice, mercy, and wisdom are described as being ethically positive, while disbelief of what has been revealed is described as being ethically negative.

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  204. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Yeah, why not.

    Islam to me is based on idolatory. e.g. what’s the Mecca thing about? A black stone? What’s that if not an idol?

    Islam to me is Satan’s No.1 vehicle to bring about the best chance he has of winning the contest between him and God.

    Think about it.

    Christians today in all the Western nations are currently being educated through propaganda to think about ALL Muslims (fellow humans who are being) as personified by thugs. You can see this everyday on KB and why would this microcosm be any different to what’s discussed on any other politically conservative blog anywhere else in the world where the propaganda, which is all subconscious (so no-one notices it) screams 24/7/365. Hence what we are seeing today.

    Every movie, every novel, every play every TV show needs protagonist(s). That’s part of the story because the storylines bounce off it. Sometimes protagonists aren’t evil, like Michael from The Office, and sometimes they are, like The Joker. But that’s what human drama needs. And the western world is being setup by satan to view, wrongly, Muslim humans who are being, as The Joker.

    Satan is not just bright, he’s got an IQ that dwarfs the best and the brightest we’ve ever seen here. He knows that humans need to be fooled but he hasn’t power to coerce, so he puts up calculated memes he knows we’ll fall for. He’s also eternal, he’s been around here since Adam and he’ll be around until the last of us leave this rock. In other words, he knows us and he knows us well.

    So what better way to implement his plan than to use willing dupes to create the ultimate adversary? Not these dupes aren’t just Muslim they’re Christian too. It takes two to tango, doesn’t it.

    It’s always struck me that Islam took hold in the very regions of the Earth which held the most fiery and pig-headed peoples. It’s like all the Irish traits were exported to the land of Islam and they made a religion out of it. But that’s Satan for you.

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  205. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Ted Nugent kicks liberal ass. So.

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  206. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    What kind of god…

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  207. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Islam to me is based on idolatory. e.g. what’s the Mecca thing about?

    Qibla. It represented a shift of focus from Jerusalem to Mecca.

    A black stone? What’s that if not an idol?

    I don’t know how the stone came to be part of Islamic tradition. I don’t know of any reference to it in the Quran, so I suspect that it doesn’t belong in true Islam.

    Satan is not just bright, he’s got an IQ that dwarfs the best and the brightest we’ve ever seen here. He knows that humans need to be fooled but he hasn’t power to coerce, so he puts up calculated memes he knows we’ll fall for.

    Christianity never really understood the nature of Satan. Satan means adversary, and is a title that can refer to different beings.

    And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
    2 Sam 24:1

    And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
    1Ch 21:1

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  208. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Reid,

    The fact is you brought her name up in a conversation in which you claimed Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy. That is a fact. Now even if you did not attribute your views to her, you did associate her name with them, and that was wrong, to say the least.

    The media loves to have any excuse to attack the clergy, and an ordained persons reputation is a precious thing, especially in this day and age.

    She has a right to know that you are mentioning her name in relation to your posts on KB.

    On the Gnosticism issue, that is so bloody obvious you need to be blind or ignorant not to see it. It’s why you use the Matrix film as an analogy so much, which was heavily based on Gnostic ideas. Ideas such as that world is an illusion created by malevolent forces keeping us blind, and that if we look within we can find truth and freedom. Anyone remotely familiar with Gnosticism would spot it in your posts easily.

    I think you have spent so much time filling your mind with all your conspiracy theories that it is corrupting you. Corrupting your understanding of the Gospel, and corrupting your heart in such a way that you see no problem with making evil claims about Jews desecrating graves.

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  209. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    The fact is you brought her name up in a conversation in which you claimed Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy.

    Given your history of telling lies about people, let’s have a link to the post or an actual quote.

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  210. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Given your history of telling lies about people, let’s have a link to the post or an actual quote.”

    I have no history of lies Ugly, you have a history of calling people liars who merely disagree with you. That is part of your mental health issues.

    The conversation in question is still on KB in a GD thread from a few days back. Go see for yourself. Otherwise I am not here to hold your hand and wipe your ass for you.

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  211. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Shawn, God knows my heart and He knows yours.

    I think you’ve spent so much time filling your mind with the thoughts all the people from whom you sought approval, you’ve forgotten what it is like to have a mind of your own, notwithstanding you think your mind is your own. And this has corrupted your thinking so much that you hallucinate that when someone states a fact that has occurred many times all around the world, you don’t even bother to find out whether it’s true or not, you hallucinate you already know and your core personality reacts accordingly.

    On the Gnosticism issue, that is so bloody obvious you need to be blind or ignorant not to see it. It’s why you use the Matrix film as an analogy so much

    I think I’ve mentioned it a few times. I’ve made over 16000 comments. Let’s say I’ve mentioned it ten times. That’s an over-estimate. That makes it .000625% of the comments I’ve made. Why in your hallucination is that using it as an analogy “so bloody much?” Also, has it occurred to you that if you and the rest of your ilk weren’t quite so profoundly moronic as you all in fact are in recognising what’s clearly and presently happening all around you, that I wouldn’t have had to use it as an analogy at all? The only reason I used it analogously – der – is so you and your ilk could get a clue, not because – der – I in some way admired it as a piece of stellar art.

    But that hasn’t occurred, has it, hammer boy.

    She has a right to know that you are mentioning her name in relation to your posts on KB.

    She also has a right to know what you’ve been accusing me of as well, hammer boy which is the only reason I raised her name and you can be sure she will. Tell me, when your wife goes to the next clergy conference, how is she going to feel when everyone there knows her husband supported the Gaza murders that have just taken place. etc etc etc.

    ??

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  212. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “I think you’ve spent so much time filling your mind with the thoughts all the people from whom you sought approval, ”

    I seek approval only from God.

    ” And this has corrupted your thinking so much that you hallucinate that when someone states a fact that has occurred many times all around the world”

    Your opinions are not facts. I notice that despite repeating this claim you never provide any evidence for it. And I suspect that is because you get it from a source that you know is anti-Semitic.

    “you don’t even bother to find out whether it’s true or not”

    Because unlike you I do know Jews, and have known quite a few of them over the years, and while I was in Auckland I was a fairly regular attendant at a synagogue.

    You see, my knowledge is based on the real world, yours is based on web sites that are half a goose step away from being Nazi propaganda.

    “I think I’ve mentioned it a few times. I’ve made over 16000 comments…..But that hasn’t occurred, has it”

    It occurs to me that your trying to cover your ass. Playing the numbers game is like all your excuses for posting crap from white supremacist sites. That’s just you being dishonest and trying to have it both ways.

    “She also has a right to know what you’ve been accusing me of as well, ”

    Hardly, but I would be happy to tell her myself.

    Her reputation is a serious issue Reid. Stop playing fast and loose with it just because you are too weak to stand up for yourself by yourself.

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  213. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    I have no history of lies Ugly,

    Here are few of them:

    “Ugly, you have a history of calling people liars who merely disagree with you. That is part of your mental health issues.”

    “Your a supporter and apologist for Islamic terrorism against Israel Ugly”
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/general_debate_8_may_2014.html#comment-1318129

    “Ugly, he was asking a question about the actual laws of New Zealand, not the laws in the delusional fantasy world you dwell in.”
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/general_debate_14_may_2014.html#comment-1321886

    “You hate Zionists, ergo you hate most Jews.”
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/mh370-2.html#comment-1372515

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  214. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 10:15 pm

    Because unlike you I do know Jews, and have known quite a few of them over the years, and while I was in Auckland I was a fairly regular attendant at a synagogue.

    Regular? Why? (Just curious – if too personal, no answer required)

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  215. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Playing the numbers game is like all your excuses for posting crap from white supremacist sites.

    So the fact you posted links from a satanist make you a satanist Shawn, by your logic. Which explains a lot about you, by your logic. It doesn’t make any difference to me BTW, I still regard you on your word as a Christian Brother, but by your logic, you’re a satanist.

    Does your wife know?

    Because unlike you I do know Jews, and have known quite a few of them over the years, and while I was in Auckland I was a fairly regular attendant at a synagogue.

    I know quite a few as well Shawn. But I’ve never said ordinary Jews were the problem, so why do you pretend this is what I have said?

    You see, my knowledge is based on the real world, yours is based on web sites that are half a goose step away from being Nazi propaganda.

    Your knowledge evidently is based on the people from whom you seek approval.

    Since you’ve never met me, how would you possibly know from whence I come?

    Your opinions are not facts. I notice that despite repeating this claim you never provide any evidence for it. And I suspect that is because you get it from a source that you know is anti-Semitic.

    I’ve never claimed my opinions were facts. I asked Tim and the blog if they knew if anyone had ever been prosecuted for the desecration that occurred during the Mossad agent trial in NZ and no-one responded. Which reinforced my recollection that no-one had been. And I made the accurate observation that the timing of that incident was very cute in the context of what was happening. And it was. That’s a fact.

    And if you want evidence, google, hammer boy. If you can’t do that, it’s not my job. And even if you can but you don’t want to read the myriad instances of propaganda-driven grave desecrations, that’s not my problem either.

    But it’s extremely disingenuous of you to proclaim that just because you can’t bring yourself to do that simple task, that therefore the allegation that such exists is false and the alleger whom you’ve never met has motives which you’re speculating on but in your view, is anti-semitic racist, is a fact.

    But that’s a mere logic crime. But then hammer boy, you go one step further and step into the hate-filled world of the racists, the murderers, the assaulters and the thieves and you then allege that this person, whom you’ve never met, has inner thoughts which you’re not acquainted with, that are the equivalent of those aforesaid characters, on the basis of what?

    Simply because you, in your towering arrogance, hallucinate that such a person, to allege what that person has alleged, would HAVE, in your hallucination, to have thoughts like that?

    That’s what you did and continue doing, hammer boy. And that’s mental.

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  216. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    @ SGA

    “Regular? Why? (Just curious – if too personal, no answer required)”

    Christianity grew out of Judaism, and I wanted to learn and understand as much of it as I could, as I was studying Christian theology full time then. Jewish worship is how Jesus worshiped, and I felt closer to Him by participating.

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  217. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “So the fact you posted links from a satanist make you a satanist Shawn, by your logic.”

    Which post was that?

    Oh and I checked out your claim about Jews and desecrating graves. I went through about ten Google pages and could only find one web site that made the claim.

    It was Stromfront, a well known Nazi web site.

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  218. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    @Shawn
    Thanks. If you’ve been around Jews a lot, you might appreciate this –
    A new rabbi comes to a well-established congregation. Every week on the Sabbath, a fight erupts during the service. When it comes time to recite the Shema prayer, half of the congregation stands and the other half sits. The half who stand say, “Of course we stand for the Shema. It’s the credo of Judaism. Throughout history, thousands of Jews have died with the words of the Shema on their lips.” The half who remain seated say, “No. According to the Shulchan Aruch (the code of Jewish law), if you are seated when you get to the Shema you remain seated.”
    The people who are standing yell at the people who are sitting, “Stand up!” while the people who are sitting yell at the people who are standing, “Sit down!” It’s destroying the whole decorum of the service, and driving the new rabbi crazy. Finally, it’s brought to the rabbi’s attention that at a nearby home for the aged is a 98-year-old man who was a founding member of the congregation. So, in accordance with Talmudic tradition, the rabbi appoints a delegation of three, one who stands for the Shema, one who sits, and the rabbi himself, to go interview the man. They enter his room, and the man who stands for the Shema rushes over to the old man and says, “Wasn’t it the tradition in our synagogue to stand for the Shema?”
    “No,” the old man answers in a weak voice. “That wasn’t the tradition.”
    The other man jumps in excitedly. “Wasn’t it the tradition in our synagogue to sit for the Shema?”
    “No,” the old man says. “That wasn’t the tradition.”
    At this point, the rabbi cannot control himself. He cuts in angrily. “I don’t care what the tradition was! Just tell them one or the other. Do you know what goes on in services every week — the people who are standing yell at the people who are sitting, the people who are sitting yell at the people who are standing—”
    “That was the tradition,” the old man says.

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  219. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    Yup, that was funny SGA, and very similar to some of the jokes I heard from Rabbi there.

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  220. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    EAD, Reid and Ugly have come out on Kiwiblog and shared how they have come into their own different understanding of the world. They now bear the burden of all those who came before them with a similar predicament, do they share without prophesying economic, political and religious doom to civilisation as it exists if it does not repent?

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  221. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    SGA, not sure which leg to stand on some stand to be half right and some sit so they remain innocent of a mistake.

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  222. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Christianity grew out of Judaism

    A half truth. The two threads of Christianity are Judaism via the Jewish messiah and Pharisaism via the Pharisee Paul. At the time of the gospels Pharisaism was disconnected from the Torah and condemned. The name of Christianity and the doctrine of sacrifice is from Paul, while the core teaching of love of deity is from the Messiah.

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  223. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Ugly, those who think the Torah is Judaism are adhering to Samaritan tradition. The only Jews who make this mistake are Karaite. You are neither.

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  224. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    SPC at 10:54 pm

    SGA, not sure which leg to stand on some stand to be half right and some sit so they remain innocent of a mistake.

    I’m sorry – it’s late, and it’s been a long day. I don’t follow you at all.

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  225. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “are Judaism via the Jewish messiah and Pharisaism via the Pharisee Paul.”

    Oh dear. For a start the Pharisees were Jews, it was a Jewish movement. So that changes nothing at all, even if it were true, which anyone who has studied the history of that time and the early Church knows it’s not.

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  226. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    The only Jews who make this mistake are Karaite

    The Karaites are not mistaken. All religions suffer from politicization, the politicization of Judiasm occurred with the addition gezeirah, the “fence” of traditions which kept the people from the Torah.

    And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
    Luke 11:46

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  227. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Ugly, the idea that there is a people with a true faith in deity, separate from the errors of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, is attractive to those who like to think themselves of a superior knowledge of God than those of these traditions.

    Unsurprisingly this would not include deists – as this belief is absent of claim of knowledge or dogma or assertion of greater status or quality to deist’s than others of humanity.

    It is however commonplace amongst theists who think they can identify a superior knowledge of matters which cannot be proven or unproven.

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  228. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    “The two threads of Christianity are Judaism via the Jewish messiah and Pharisaism via the Pharisee Paul.”

    For a start the Pharisees were Jews, it was a Jewish movement.

    Being Jewish isn’t a licence to be a hypocrite.

    But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    Matthew 22:13

    So that changes nothing at all, even if it were true

    Which part isn’t true?

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  229. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    SGA, never heard that one half of the way of righteousness was keeping the law, represented by standing on one leg – but this was not the complete life of a human being etc? The 98 year old must have died before passing on the story.

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  230. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Unsurprisingly this would not include deists – as this belief is absent of claim of knowledge or dogma or assertion of greater status or quality to deist’s than others of humanity.

    Deists are not necessarily humanists, i.e. the human condition is not a universal one.

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  231. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Ugly, scribes covers those whose faith was limited to the written word – whether Torah or Torah and the rest – Tanakh.

    The criticism of the righteous of Jewish religion excluded no one. Dissing Jewish standing in matters of God was a means to an end. Faith in God was a matter for all of humanity not the nationalism of one people. Thus faith in a man to restore their national throne was a barrier to true faith in God.

    re 11.19

    that sort of resort to pointless semantics is similar to petty legalism. Does that make you a hypo…..? .

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  232. cricko (382 comments) says:

    Thanks for your thoughts Reid.

    and,

    It is hard for anyone to keep to the larger picture in this type of discussion when obsfucation is raised to the
    level of an art.

    The way the likes of Ugly deal with direct questions as in the 9.23 effort is instructive.

    We will all draw our own conclusions.

    G’nite all, and good luck to your families.

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  233. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Revealing quote
    In July 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that “humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp.

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  234. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    More from the savage and barbaric Islam:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11018298/Islamic-State-pulls-down-church-crosses-in-northern-Iraq-as-200000-flee.html

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  235. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    The criticism of the righteous of Jewish religion excluded no one.

    Was this criticism valid? The criticism of Israel and Judah by the Jewish prophets focused on specific wrongdoings, it wasn’t a general condemnation of the people.

    Dissing Jewish standing in matters of God was a means to an end.

    Yes, the politicization of religion.

    Faith in God was a matter for all of humanity not the nationalism of one people.

    Humans have difficulty with this because of their faith is directed towards the state rather than deity. Humans consider themselves to be civilized, and tend to condemn those who don’t share their atheism as being barbaric.

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  236. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    I was extending the courtesy of offering an explanation as to why I can’t be bothered trying to engage in any form of meaningful interaction with a person whom I suspect has some very offputting personality defects. Call it judgment – call it whatever you want.

    And when I find myself composing formally – I take it as a fairly good indication that I think the other person aint worth a tin of shit to know.

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