Hipkins on Dotcom

August 8th, 2014 at 9:47 am by David Farrar

My respect levels for Chris Hipkins have just soared for having the balls to call it honestly, despite the fact Mana/Internet is a party of the left.

I wonder if Mr Cunliffe has a view on the video, or more importantly what it says about a party that not only encourages that behaviour, but is so proud of it, they turn it into an official party advertisement?

UPDATE:

That’s a second Labour candidate to call a spade a spade and condemn the tactics of Dotcom as thuggish and megalomaniac. My hope is Dotcom will not get to hold the balance of power. The problem for Labour is the polls shows they can not govern without him.

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67 Responses to “Hipkins on Dotcom”

  1. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Well said.

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  2. notrotsky (85 comments) says:

    Yep credit where credit is due … thuggery and megalomania sums up KDC very well.

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  3. George Patton (350 comments) says:

    What Hipkins said was showing leadership.

    Now, what will Cunliffe say?

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  4. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    Dotcom is a bit of a puzzle – he certainly seems a unable to comprehend how this sort of thing, plus his hooker jokes and Nazi fetish, will play with the public. Do his antics really appeal to young people?

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  5. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    I’m sure Cunliffe is drafting his apology. He’s quite good like that.

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  6. holysheet (424 comments) says:

    No doubt silent T will say sorry to crim.com for Hipkins comments above.

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  7. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    I think Hipkins has eloquently expressed a widely held impression.

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  8. peterwn (3,300 comments) says:

    Nah. It is just Labour talking out of both sides of its mouth. It may badly needs IM’s support if it falls short on numbers, nut Labour do not want to be seen too close to IM as this may put off voters. There was obviously no place in Labour for Laila, Annette and John, so Labour dfoes not want to be seen too closely associated with them, let alone Kim Dotcom.

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  9. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    Yes except Labour have not ruled mana/dotcom parties out hook, line,and sinker, in the unlikely event that sugar daddy dotcom convinces the rest of NZ TO VOTE FOR THEM.Time for Gomerel Cunliffe to come out of his ambigious cocoon on that lot,he seems to forever speak with forked tongue.

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  10. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    I wonder if Mr Cunliffe has a view on the video, or more importantly what it says about a party that not only encourages that behaviour, but is so proud of it, they turn it into an official party advertisement?

    And as importantly – what does Hone Harawira think of it?

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  11. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 9:52 am

    Dotcom is a bit of a puzzle – he certainly seems a unable to comprehend how this sort of thing, plus his hooker jokes and Nazi fetish, will play with the public. Do his antics really appeal to young people?

    Hard to say – I’m similarly puzzled by some aspects of the “hip hop” culture.

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  12. Kelly (29 comments) says:

    I think Chris Hipkins comments are awesome however I think just like Kelvin Davis will be told to remove these comments etc even though there is no “secret deal” between Labour and IMP

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  13. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    It is clear to me that Kim Schmidt is an attention-seeking sociopath. Everything about him seems to crave it- the mansion, the fireworks displays, mixing with politicians (before deciding to become one himself), releasing a “music” album, giant parties, the fancy car collections. The sooner we all ignore this carry-on the better, we are just serving his ego & its exactly what he wants.

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  14. Huevon (223 comments) says:

    You people all need to get a grip.

    99% of the people chanting at that gig would have completely forgotten about what they were doing 5 minutes after it finished.

    I doubt KDC was thinking about more than where to buy his next pie.

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  15. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    And as importantly – what does Hone Harawira think of it?

    Mr “White Mother-BLEEP-ers”? I don’t think we really need to ask, but it might be fun watching him try to answer on TV.

    I doubt KDC was thinking about more than where to buy his next pie.

    I’m up for infiltrating the next gig and starting a “You fat bastard!” chant.

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  16. nickle (30 comments) says:

    Didn’t you see Cunliffe mention Kiwiblog on Paul Henry last night – from memory he was against the KDC stunt, he also mentioned that there is no place for the nasty Jew attacks on billboards. Good grief, the man spoke some sense that I actually listened to. The rest he had to say was of no consequence – sticky beaking about a farm for sale?

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  17. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  18. secondcumming (93 comments) says:

    Come on guys – get with the pogrom. What we now know is that Mr Kim Dotcom is even recognized by the judiciary in this country as being a ‘reliable and credible individual, more so than the Hon. John Banks’. (Wylie, E.)

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  19. freemark (614 comments) says:

    This hate on JK has been propagated/encouraged by all parties of the left for a few years now. Most of it is based on either complete fabrication/fantasy, or media manipulation of the facts. The worse culprits & chanters were the Greens & their supporters, closely followed by Labour. Now the mantle has passed to GIMPs, but it in no way excuses or exonerates the other Parties – Hipkins & his colleagues included. The sheer desperation of the Left for power in NZ (the last possible bastion of Socialism) knows no bounds, & no tactic is too low for them – any of them.

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  20. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    @ Mikenmild

    “Do his antics really appeal to young people?”

    I think there is a lot of myth making about the “youth vote.” The idea that all or even most young people share the same values and political views seems dubious to me, and more than a little condescending.

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  21. Drp (8 comments) says:

    great comment by Hipkins.
    Given KDC is not standing for poltiical office but the leader of the IP is and she has very publicly supported this video – would Chris H be willing to offer an opinion on her suitabliity as a member of parliament and even her involvment in NZ politics.
    Chris (i know you are out there) do you think there is any place for some one who supports “that kind of thuggery in NZ politics”? let me know.

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  22. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    thumbs up from Dime!

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  23. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Good for Chris. I would feel exactly the same about this if the foreign criminal conman led a group of idiots to hatefully chant “Fuck David Cunliffe” or anyone else. Could those people name ONE policy of the so-called Internet Party – other than protecting it’s leader from justice?

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  24. flipper (4,197 comments) says:

    That “foreign devil” Yoza is at it again with classic left wing hate language.

    Yoza says.,.., “….. sniveling lickspittle who is part of a Labour Party faction….”

    Make U feel better foreign devil?

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  25. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure that most of those youths shouting “fuck John Key” will show the depth of their political engagement by not bothering to vote…

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  26. thePeoplesFlag (256 comments) says:

    “…My respect levels for Chris Hipkins have just soared…”

    perhaps he should fuck off and join the National party then.

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  27. band4u (20 comments) says:

    Interestingly , every good business knows its target market. The people the Internet Party are targeting will love this. Mana will love it too because in the main thats how they feel about Key.

    Those who are offended would in all probability never have voted for them anyway so I guess its great marketing on the Internet Mana’s part.

    Re the sugardaddy comment; Do those who think it was ok, think it would be ok to say Key was prostituting himself to doners prepared to pay $1300.00 for a dinner? Again its all about marketing. Those who find that dinner obsecene whist we have more and more homeless and deprived in New Zealand, wouldnt be voting for Key anyway . Therefore their disgust is as irrelevant to Key, as that of the haters of of Internet Mana is to Kim Dot com.

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  28. G152 (385 comments) says:

    Apparently Hipkins is lining up to be Liebors next leader. He’s making more sense than the current wannabe

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  29. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Oh dear, thepeopleswhatever is upset that a comrade spoke his mind.

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Christ – why don’t you all run off and join the Internet Party – the amount of coverage you’re giving it – and the amount you’ve bought into KDC’s games is alarming.

    Hey, the more coverage for the video that better – perhaps we should play it to every young and impressionable first time voter –
    please make sure you mention it to your kids – let’s give it all the air time we can – and make sure everyone see’s it, because at least half of the population has an IQ under 100 or are immature – and a good amount of them will be impressed by it, and vote accordingly.

    None so blind as them that just cannot see. I’m not impress DPF – stop buying into KDC’s crap!

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  31. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Judith, the coverage is good. It’s most likely encouraging votes away from the Greens and the low rent end of Labour.

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  32. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    Wow if yoza and “the people’s flag” don’t like him maybe he isn’t so bad after all. Being a ginga lefty is a lot to have to get over though.

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  33. Pita (374 comments) says:

    Cunliffes covert assistance to Hone in the TTT, and his quiet acquiescence of Mana/ dotcom’s behaviour has encouraged these excesses. Mana/dotcom have Cunliffe by the short and curlies, they have the whip hand and they know it.

    This will be replicated in Parliament, should they become the key to his electoral success. Unless Cunliffe is unequivocal in his isolation of the Mana/dotcom party now, before and after the election, he will be a weak and indecisive leader.

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  34. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    Rich Prick at 10:46 am

    Judith, the coverage is good. It’s most likely encouraging votes away from the Greens and the low rent end of Labour.

    And possibly young voters who otherwise wouldn’t vote at all, I’d guess.

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  35. Keeping Stock (10,407 comments) says:

    Very rare for me to compliment a Labour MP, but Chris Hipkins has shown the kind of leadership that should be expected from the party leader; all power to him.

    In the meantime, Cunliffe will still not rule out some kind of deal with MegaMana after the election, but he is increasingly clutching at straws.

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  36. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    SGA, perhaps, but the realist in me suspects that once the party is over and the cheep beer is gone I don’t think they will remember to care enough to vote, or if they do, they won’t find a Dotcom box to tick.

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  37. Liberty (269 comments) says:

    So the Kid has finally woken up to the fact that the pinkos sugar daddy is an evil bastard.
    He has only been crawling up the left. Because they are so gullible. So desperate
    for power they would sell their soul.

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  38. Viking2 (11,557 comments) says:

    What a bullshitting hypocrite.
    The Labour Party History is full of this stuff and worse including Clark treating Vietnam Soldiers in a similar manner.

    Hipkins is just another uneducated Labour twat.

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  39. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Jolly good show Chippie! You should bring back a few “swing” voters from PIMP to Labour with your reasoned announcements, and ultimately the Greens will wear the losses. The left continues to eat itself

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  40. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    Cunliffe was pretty clear on PH last night. In fact he was almost excited to denounce it, and the sign vandalism, to show how positive he is.

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  41. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    Bros – Now wait for Cunliffe, The Messiah to kneecap Chippie, exactly like what he did with Kelvin Davis. Chippie is trying to undermine Cunliffe who is prepared to clean Krim DotCon’s shoes for support after the election. I am expecting some veiled threats from Messiah to Chippie in terms of adhering to “positive messages”.

    Chippie will then backtrack his messages and say this is a democratic country and everybody is free to say what they want.

    But one good thing fellows!! Krim DotCon made the biggest mistake of his life by releasing this video and many fair minded Kiwis are extremely upset by the behavious of this criminal and how he is corrupting the political landscape of this country to escape prison term in USA. He has done John Key an enormous favour with this video :-)

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  42. Ben2001 (26 comments) says:

    One reason why my electorate vote will go to Hipkins and the party vote to National

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  43. macdee (43 comments) says:

    Could the Labour Party split on this after the election if they have the opportunity to form a Government with the support of the InternetMana Party?

    Maybe a Shearer led faction sitting on the crossbenches to allow National to govern thus preventing KDC et al to have any influence in the NZ political scene.

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  44. kiwi in america (2,508 comments) says:

    Cunliffe was only denouncing the video because he knows this damages Labour and enhances Key. Having ABCs like Hipkins and Nash openly condemn the clip boxes Cunliffe in even more. Kelvin Davis needs to do the same and link his condemnation to a plea for support to strangle the monster at source and give him the electorate votes to defeat Hone.

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  45. Unity (609 comments) says:

    Well said from Hipkins. Have we heard from Hone about this disgusting display yet? Has he lost his tongue? Laila Harre, if she has any credibility, should resign rather than be associated with such a debacle. She won’t though – because of the money!!

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  46. Dale 08 (34 comments) says:

    Cunliffe wont say bugger all about it. He cant afford to upset his secret donner. Just like he won’t go and stand next to Kelvin Davis and fight for ttt. If anyone thinks theres no deal your kidding yourself. Dotcom is labours archillys heel and only a few at the top of labour are fully aware of the deal. So who is gonna spill the beans?

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  47. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    Rich Prick at 11:03 am

    SGA, perhaps, but the realist in me suspects that once the party is over and the cheep beer is gone I don’t think they will remember to care enough to vote, or if they do, they won’t find a Dotcom box to tick.

    Maybe, but if 13,000+ bothered to turn up to vote for a complete joke party like “Bill and Ben” (and I’d guess it’s a similar disaffected voter demographic), then it might add a small but significant amount to a party with a Mana electorate seat (if you follow me).

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  48. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,447 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Cunliffe was only denouncing the video because he knows this damages Labour and enhances Key. Having ABCs like Hipkins and Nash openly condemn the clip boxes Cunliffe in even more. Kelvin Davis needs to do the same and link his condemnation to a plea for support to strangle the monster at source and give him the electorate votes to defeat Hone.

    Chris Trotter would disagree,

    “THE CRUDE POLITICAL GAMBIT of Kelvin Davis and his supporters in Te Tai Tokerau has fallen flat. His plans to knock Internet-Mana out of the electoral race have been revealed and the Maori voters of the North will punish him severely. Not only for his confrontational and abusive rhetoric, but also for the rank ingratitude and disloyalty he has displayed toward Labour. The rest of the country can only shake their heads in wonder at the strategic stupidity of the man.

    …Wittingly or unwittingly, Davis has allowed himself to become a pawn in this game. How else to explain his willingness to be associated with David Farrar and Cameron Slater, the twin serpents sent to dispatch the Left’s infant hero?”

    And on coalition deals:

    It is this need to distance himself from Dotcom and his allies that explains Cunliffe’s refusal to call out Davis for the dangerous political distraction he has become. Indeed, in a funny sort of way, Davis’s extreme animus towards Harawira and Dotcom has played into the Labour Leader’s hands. It has enabled him to reiterate in even more unequivocal language that Labour will have no truck with Internet-Mana. That there will be no deals done and that no Internet-Mana MPs will be invited to serve in any coalition Cabinet over which Cunliffe presides. In Andy Williams’ immortal words to the importunate Cookie Bear: “Not now. Not ever. Never. No cookies! ”

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  49. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    Stuart Nash has followed up:

    @StuartANash

    @chrishipkins v dangerous when megalomania meets disaffected. Totally irresponsible behaviour & no place for it in NZ politics – or society

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  50. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Davis, Chippie and now Nash. I wonder if Dotcom’s taint might be just enough for the ABC’s to split away. I can’t imagine a Labour/Greens/Dotcom-Mana/NZ First coalition (or a supply and confidence deal with *certain* favours promised in return) lasting more than a month.

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  51. wf (464 comments) says:

    What a furore!

    Who remembers Mao’s Little Red Book? And a certain larrikin Tim Shadbolt? Us young’uns had a lot of fun that year!

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  52. G152 (385 comments) says:

    Who remembers Mao’s Little Red Book? And a certain larrikin Tim Shadbolt? Us young’uns had a lot of fun that year!

    ———
    Shadbolts contribution to NZ gutter media was “Bullshit and Jelly beans”

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  53. Mr_Blobby (189 comments) says:

    The trouble is if National, Labor or the Greens hold a party. The media out number the guests.

    Don’t care who you vote for as long as you participate in the democratic process.

    You may not like the outcome or who they vote for but that is democracy.

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  54. burt (8,309 comments) says:

    George Patton

    Now, what will Cunliffe say?

    To who ?

    To Dotcom – probably yeah … F$$# John Key
    To others – Probably Sorry .

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  55. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Kim you have my vote if i bother,
    PS voters work hard as you are paying my pension every second week,pay double pay pay double pay work hard suckers

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  56. Longknives (4,864 comments) says:

    “work hard suckers..”

    Perhaps you might feel more at home over at the Standard Lurcher?

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  57. Inky_the_Red (761 comments) says:

    Labour has got soft. In my early 20s I was proudly chanting 2 4 6 8 Bolger’s head on a plate

    Proves to my that Labour are now right of centre

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  58. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    “Proves to my that Labour are now right of centre”

    Proves to me how braindead the Left in general is.

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  59. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    “Chris Trotter would disagree, ”

    Chris Trotter wouldn’t know his ass from his face.

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    wf (381 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
    What a furore!

    Who remembers Mao’s Little Red Book? And a certain larrikin Tim Shadbolt? Us young’uns had a lot of fun that year

    Hell yes, although we managed alright without it, the Little Red Book gave us some interesting alternatives!!

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  61. Komata (1,197 comments) says:

    But Judith, don’t you mean the Little Red SCHOOL book?

    Both were ‘interesting’ little volumes weren’t they? (just don’t look too hard at the consequences and the frankenstein monster we created in our innocent ignorance and in the name of ‘Free love’ and ‘Liberation’ …).

    If we knew then what we know now…

    (It was all rather a long time ago).

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  62. Dazzaman (1,144 comments) says:

    What a bunch of soft cocks!

    Kim Dotcom may be just a fat head arsehole but it was all just a bit of a dag really.

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  63. Dazzaman (1,144 comments) says:

    James Stephenson
    I’m up for infiltrating the next gig and starting a “You fat bastard!” chant.

    Hahahaha……that’d be awesome!

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  64. Inky_the_Red (761 comments) says:

    James Stephenson
    ‘I’m up for infiltrating the next gig and starting a “You fat bastard!” chant.’

    good song
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGgBv5sOYM

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  65. Duxton (657 comments) says:

    Chris Hipkins is my local MP, and I must say that I have a bit of time for him. Despite his age, he is the old-fashioned constituency MP, who will do his best for anyone who needs help, even if he knows they are from ‘the other side’ and would likely never vote for him. He is a genuinely decent bloke.

    I’ll be giving him my electorate vote this year, but as always will Party Vote National.

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  66. daniel carter (34 comments) says:

    Get over it. It’s not like Key doesn’t deserve it. http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2014/08/08/gordon-campbell-on-internet-manas-swearing-video/

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  67. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    “Get over it. It’s not like Key doesn’t deserve it.”

    He doesn’t deserve it. Of course socialist Gordon Campbell thinks so, bit so what?

    His first question is: “Hand on heart time, folks. At any time in the past six years, has the thought “ F+++ John Key” ever crossed your mind?”

    No comrade, it hasn’t.

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