Kelvin Davis on Dotcom and Mana

August 5th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

writes on Facebook:

I was on 3 News tonight because my campaign team had a look at a proposed website designed to take down and stop him from buying the seat of Te Tai Tokerau with his $3million dollars.

We explored this concept, debated it, then along with the Labour Party hierarchy decided it wasn’t in line with our Vote Positive messages and ditched it.

It was all about Kim Dotcom.

This is the same Kim Dotcom who donated $50,000 to far-right wing disgraced politician John Banks.

This is the same Kim Dotcom who said the police turning up at his front door was as bad as the suffering Maori have endured for close to two centuries.

This is the same Kim Dotcom had nothing to do with Maori until he found a way to take advantage of some to try to keep himself out of an American jail.

This is the same Kim Dotcom who’s garage is bigger and flasher than 99% of homes in Te Tai Tokerau, and still cries ‘poor me’.

This is the same Kim Dotcom, who if he really cared about the people of Te Tai Tokerau, would have got out with all the Labour volunteers after the floods and storms and distributed food packages to those who needed them instead of staying tucked up in the mansion.

This is the same Kim Dotcom who turned up to hui up north in a limousine while kaumatua and kuia rode in a rattly bus.

This is the same Kim Dotcom whose interference in Te Tai Tokerau politics was described as a disgrace to over 300 people at the Ngati Hine hearings in Pipiwai yesterday.

I make no apologies about looking at a website that asked the public to donate $5, $10 or whatever they wish to koha, to bring down a fake.

I’m just an ordinary Maori living up north trying to stop the biggest con in New Zealand’s political history from being pulled against my whanau, my hapu, my iwi.

I make no apologies if there’s another Maori politician in the north feeling pretty sensitive about all the criticism he’s copping from hapu throughout Te Tai Tokerau because of the con job.

I’m prepared to cop the criticism from him because it’s just the price a person pays when he stands up for his people and his principles.

Great to see Kelvin call it as it is. Hone’s sell out to Dotcom is a turn off for many voters, and if Davis aggressively targets Hone, I have no doubt he can win the seat.

But Labour Head Office told Davis he can’t attack Dotcom, because they may need his pet party to form a Government.

Interesting that Kelvin’s Facebook post has been liked by Chris Hipkins,

Labour won’t allow Kelvin to run a website to fundraise for his campaign against the guy who has spent $4 million trying to get an election outcome to stop his extradition. But he has facebooked his campaign account for those who want to try and balance the fight a bit. Hone has Dotcom’s $4 million behind him. Kelvin only has his supporters. If you think Kelvin Davis will be a better MP for Te Tai Tokerau than (and I do, regardless of the Dotcom issue) then you can donate to:

38-9009-0235341-01

Account name: NZLP TTT Campaign Acc.

Every $10 or $20 can help.

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45 Responses to “Kelvin Davis on Dotcom and Mana”

  1. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Harawira’s response:

    LABOUR SELLS OUT TO NATIONAL
    Posted on August 4, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases

    “If there’s any truth to what I have seen today, then somebody’s head should roll” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira when told of emails suggesting Kelvin Davis’ campaign team in Tai Tokerau was planning to launch an attack campaign against him with money solicited from National.

    “Changing the government is going to be tough enough – it’ll be bloody impossible if Labour does dirty deals with National” said Harawira.

    “National has been directly responsible for driving up unemployment, homelessness, ill health, and poverty for Maori right across the north” said Harawira. “I’m trying to get rid of them and Kelvin Davis and his crew are doing deals with them!”

    “I’m gutted, and Maori in Tai Tokerau will be seriously troubled that Davis and his mates are cozying up to the people who have caused so much damage to our communities”

    “And don’t buy this rubbish about me having more money because of Kim Dotcom either” said Harawira. “You’re only allowed to spend $25,000 anyway and I’d already banked mine before MANA signed its deal with the Internet Party”

    “Where does this go now?”

    “As a matter of principle, Davis should either admit that he knew what was going on here and resign, or state categorically that he didn’t and sack his campaign team”

    “Either way, he owes the people of the north an apology”

    Interesting to see Harawira use the term “sells out”.

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  2. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    The Standard had been completely silent on this until this morning when Michael Nolan commented:

    Okay so I am trying to stay positive, and it has been great to see so many of the MPs and members starting to stick to the positive message. But can someone please punch Kelvin Davis in the throat so he cannot talk until election day? Us members on the doorsteps trying to convince the people we have a positive message are getting pretty fucking sick of self-centered MPs contradicting that.

    Staying positive always seemed an idealistic slogan.

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  3. Peter (1,713 comments) says:

    But can someone please punch Kelvin Davis in the throat so he cannot talk until election day? Us members on the doorsteps trying to convince the people we have a positive message are getting pretty fucking sick of self-centered MPs contradicting that.

    Irony-free zone.

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  4. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    Do we know if we donate to that account that it won’t just go to a general Labour Party fund?

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  5. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    So no secret deal with Mana over TTT then? Looks like Kelvin Davis really wants to win.

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  6. voltaire (40 comments) says:

    As a firm right of centre type have placed a few hundred in the Davis campaign fund

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  7. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    The Harawira/Dotcom approach seems to be to get rid of the current government, without any coherent vision of what will replace it. Conceivably a coalition of the disaffected pulled together by Labour and the Greens will be less able to accomplish anything for the people of TTT than the current government. At least Davis is prepared to be positive. With his attitude he looks likely to be more of a force as a constituency MP in opposition than Harawira would be in power, even if by some miracle he got into Government, which Cunliffe has now ruled out. Given that Labour has now shut the door on Mana, Davis seems to be the only way for the people of TTT to have a say. They need to have a say; poverty in the North has been endemic for decades and Hone, for all his bluster, seems more interested in drawing his salary and staying away from Wellington than using the system to his people’s advantage.

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  8. Tarquin North (305 comments) says:

    Every person in Te Tai Tokerau has a duty to vote for Kelvin. Forget the politics, just ask one question. What has Hone ever done for the people of TTT? The only ones who have benefited from his tenure are his family and his ever present hangers on who bear more than a passing resembelance to the Mandela football club. I believe things are changing up here. Hone took a kicking from some influential people in Pipiwai yesterday and Kelvin is a respected person. The people of the North have the opportunity to send a message to the politicians, one that Labour and Internet Mana don’t like. I hope the ground swell Kelvin is creating turns into a tidal wave that washes this trash away and leaves a holiday highway in it’s wake! I will be donating to the cause. Go Kelvin!

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  9. Dave Mann (1,224 comments) says:

    DPF, it says a lot about your good sense and judgement that you write an intelligent post about your opposition’s statements in an election campaign. Well written… its always a pleasure to come here and be better informed as a result. Cheers!

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  10. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    I would donate if I thought there was a chance pf the money ending up with KD … but it seems its going to Chris Hipkins where no doubt it will be snaffled up by a broke Labour Party head office.

    My spies tell me there is but one (repeat one) KD sign up in TTT and that’s in Whangarei. Certainly none in the Bay of Islands/mid north. KD has been thrown well and truly under the bus. A telling ‘sign’ of just how much a pariah he is to Labour is the fact that the Northland Labour candidate won’t even countenance sharing joint hordings with him.

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  11. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    @dpfdpf

    First time for everything – have just donated $100 to the Labour Party!

    @Whaleoil

    I have a confession to make, I just donated $101 to a Labour candidate, had to beat @dpfdpf to make him look tight

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  12. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Shane Jones lives on – Maybe Kelv can provide the nucleus for a reborn Labour Party, that actually stands for the working man, sees the value of business and stands by it’s principles.

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  13. voltaire (40 comments) says:

    Not sure about the disclosure rules but its in the Davis account # that DPF blogged as NAT BUT H8 KIMCRIM

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  14. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @Tarquin North – “Every person in Te Tai Tokerau has a duty to vote for Kelvin. Forget the politics, just ask one question. What has Hone ever done for the people of TTT?’

    Agreed. Hone has done *nothing*.

    Davis is *light-years* ahead of Hone when it comes to positive can-do attitude.

    Ok, it’s up to the people of the north, but not only do I want Davis to win, I would like to see the people of the north *disown* and shun the whole Harawira clan. They have been *nothing but trouble* for this country. They are the past, not the future.

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  15. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Wow; finally someone on the left who has the nous to realise that it is ever so slightly hypocritical to be joined at the hip with a wildly wealthy, rascist, Nazi sympathisng criminal, who underpays his menial workers and made a fortune out of degrading women.

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  16. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    The Labour Party is not getting one single cent from me.

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  17. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    “Great to see Kelvin call it as it is”? Huuh?

    Let’s not allow our hatred of Krim Slobcon blind us to the utter shite Kelvin posted.

    banksie “far right” How does that work?

    and Maoris suffering for 2 centuries? Clearly Kelvin sees the honkey as a colonial oppressor.How about how maori lived in the centuries previous to evil honkey? Dare to compare the suffering then? Didn’t think so.

    and kelvin the part maori with a Welsh name calls himself “an ordinary Maori”.No Kelvin ,you’re a member of the New Zealand permanent political class. A member of a tiny but highly priveliged power elite that runs this country.

    Being a part maori labourite does not make you “ordinary”.

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  18. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘A member of a tiny but highly priveliged power elite that runs this country’
    That’s quite some paranoia you’ve got going there.

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  19. I Say Look Here (57 comments) says:

    I hope the voters of Te Tai Tokerau realise the attacks by Harawira and Nolan etc on Davis are also an attack on them. Unbelievable the way they think they can manipulate the people.

    RNZ, May 30:
    “But Labour leader David Cunliffe said on Friday that his party is going out to win all seven Maori seats.

    Mr Cunliffe said he expects that Kelvin Davis, who was 1165 votes behind Mr Harawira at the 2011 election, to run a vigourous campaign. He said there would be no deals with other parties until after the election on 20 September once it is known what voters want.”

    Not that it’s up to the likes of me to make any suggestions to TTT voters, but an electorate vote for Davis and party vote Maori Party might give them some serious representation.

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  20. Igotta Numbum (463 comments) says:

    DPF – Is there an ulterior motive as to Labour trying to hamper Kelvin’s attempt to win the seat, that goes beyond IMP helping Labour form a government (highly unlikely, but just saying)?

    If Kelvin gets in, via the list even if he loses, who is the likely list placement to miss out should he win the seat?

    This is an every man/woman/other for themselves fight for Labour this election.

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  21. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    I like the way they’ve decided not to have the website because that’d be negative, but take all the draft words that would be on that website and put it on facebook. Because facebook isn’t a website. :-)

    I’d say there are lots in Labour who are very unhappy this morning. I’ll bet also that the National party conspiracy stories will be humming by this afternoon. What’s the chance that Kelvin would actually leave the Labour party as a result of all this – become an independent perhaps? Probably after the election though.

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  22. redqueen (567 comments) says:

    Actually sounds like a decent bloke, even if he’s playing for the wrong side. Will get my donation.

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  23. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Who from within Labour leaked the emails?

    It could have been someone backing Davis who knew it would generate publicity. Or it could have been someone opposing his campaigning, but they would have surely known it would have created adverse publicity.

    Either way it has worked.

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  24. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    I think it is very clear that Labour has indeed done a deal with IMP over TTT. It’s just that Davis isn’t a party to it. Labour thinks it is fine to slam National for its open deals but meanwhile it is stabbing its own candidate in the back with a secret one. From all I hear Davis is a far better candidate than Labour deserves.

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  25. Tarquin North (305 comments) says:

    The Maori Party should tell everyone to vote for Kelvin. That would be hilarious.

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  26. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (10.05am) – isn’t it nice to see the caring, sensitive and non-violent face of the political Left on display for all to see :D

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  27. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Hmm nice little red on red fight brewing replete with the requisite hating of one of Labour’s few electable up and coming centrist MPs from The Stranded. Davis is exactly the type of pragmatic electable centrist Labour needs to win back Waitakere Man (especially after Cunliffe’s manpology) and yet here he is being shat on by his own leader in secret shabby deal with Dotcon’s lefty lapdog Hone Harawira and his Marxist mates.

    If Davis wins TTT with centre right donors’ money as a consequence of DPF and Slater’s encouragements, it would be a slam dunk for a Nobel Prize in Irony if one existed!

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  28. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Nice to see the herald story uses the new less is more photo of you David.. Looking good mate.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11304222

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  29. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill – have you noticed anything different re billboards up north? Last week (29 July) Jenny Kirk said “Its a big electorate and Kel’s hoardings are being put up all over the place as we speak !”

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  30. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Cheers BB – good to see Claire Trevett onto this. Be interesting to see how much other MSM will follow. They love intra party/intra potential coalition partner stoushes so this might be more likely than not to see more media coverage. Plus the spectre of two high profile Nat bloggers contributing to a Labour Party candidate’s campaign is just too juicy to pass up reporting on!

    All it would take would be for the Maori Party to signal to their voters to vote for Davis and it would be game over Hone. Their 2011 candidate Waihoroi Shortland garnered 3,114 electorate votes and Hone’s majority was only 1,165.

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  31. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    The Herald has updated:

    Labour’s Te Tai Tokerau candidate Kelvin Davis says he will donate money given to his campaign by National-aligned bloggers to Rape Crisis.

    Not sure how things stand with redirecting donations to a political campaign to a charity but it will be hard to argue against that. Political utu?

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  32. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Labour’s Te Tai Tokerau candidate Kelvin Davis says he will donate money given to his campaign by National-aligned bloggers to Rape Crisis.

    Clever move. Never trust the Left with your money.

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  33. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    Not to mention how would you know who donated what? Hardly likely to be sums needing declaration.

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  34. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    He’s just hosing down the problem that Whale and DPF have created for him – he doesn’t want to start being seen as a National stooge (and I’d say that DPF and Whale didn’t entirely think it through before doing it – cause it’s not helping the cause much).

    All he has to do is to donate $500 to Rape Crisis, declare it’s tidied up, and move on. Probably better to just let him do that. And for those who do donate to him, to not publicly declare “I donated to Kelvin so as to help National win.”

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  35. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Yes Paul, publicising right wing financial support won’t help Kelvin’s campaign.

    In another development – Cunliffe has finally ruled out doing a coalition deal with IMP:

    Chris Bramwell ‏@rnzgallerychris

    David Cunliffe rules out Internet-Mana being part of a Labour-led Government

    It’s taken him a while to be clear about that.

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  36. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    Looks like the donations from DPF and Slater are so toxic Kelvin refuses to use it for his campaign and is donating them to Rape Crisis

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  37. Batman (103 comments) says:

    dear lord, have a look at the comments on his actual Facebook post. you will want to throw yourself out the window

    https://www.facebook.com/KelvinDavisLabour/posts/832926910072491

    as the internet says, the stupid is strong with that one

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  38. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    PG

    Re: ‘David Cunliffe rules out Internet-Mana being part of a Labour-led Government. It’s taken him a while to be clear about that’.

    Sadly, based-upon previous experience, the best response to that announcement can only be ‘Yeah, nah’, and to start looking around for a Tui billboard…

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  39. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Batman – in the main that looks like an Internet Party campaign against Davis. It includes comments by the Internet Party social media manager.

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  40. Batman (103 comments) says:

    PG – its certainly does look like it! but done by people who the spelling abilities of a new entrant Primary student!

    sometimes I despair that everybody is allowed to vote

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  41. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    as of 1 PM today there appears to be two signs. One at the bottom of Kamo hill on the road from town and another popped up overnight at the roundabout to whangarei heads road in Onerahi.

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  42. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    By comparison there are hundreds of parliamentary services signs with some bloke called Harawira featuring on them. Allthough on some signs they have been around and spray painted over the parliamentary crest

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  43. Than (475 comments) says:

    In another development – Cunliffe has finally ruled out doing a coalition deal with IMP

    Which is basically meaningless. Formal coalitions have been rare in NZ under MMP. Informal support agreements are the norm, and unspoken agreements to abstain seem a likely option post-2014. One way or another Cunliffe would need IMP to form a government.

    Cunliffe knows how toxic the Internet-Mana party is to centerist voters, and he’s desperately trying to distance Labour from them. The electoral math makes this impossible, but he’s trying as best he can.

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  44. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Makes you wonder whether continuing to display a defaced sign with no parliamentary crest would be a breach of rules. Seems that it could be….otherwise there’s kind of a loophole there for those with ill intent.

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  45. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    I think David Cunliffe himself *is* definitely uneasy about the Mana/Internet Party, for the following reasons. Although Laila Harre was a first term Clark administration Cabinet Minister for the Alliance, one suspects that the Internet Party leader’s role in the ensuing self-destruction of Labour’s first coalition partner, the Alliance, may have raised questions of party stability and consequent governmental stability. Harawira may be seen as “too radical” in other quarters. In addition, there are questions about Mana/Internet’s policy development, costings, ultimate internal coalition stability and other issues that suggest that Cunliffe’s prudence may be well-founded.

    Ironically enough, it may well be a mirror image of the concerns that many National, ACT and United Future party activists and voters have about their own bete noir, the Conservative Party and for many of the same organisational and strategic reasons.

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