General Debate 6 July 2015

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nasska

Nice to see the Conservatives are still at it. John Stringer has resigned from the board to concentrate on dismembering Colin Craig citing, “online abuse” of his wife, himself and other board members as a “principal reason”.

Godspeed Godnutters…..your politics are crap & your policies worse but the entertainment value is superb.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69970712/conservative-party-acting-board-chairman-john-stringer-resigns
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July 6, 2015 8:01am
Manolo

Iran is playing cat and mouse with this clown: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/05/kerry-reaching-final-iran-nuclear-deal-could-go-either-way-as-deadline-nears/

Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday that the U.S. and Iran are closer to reaching a final nuclear deal but expressed uncertainty about hitting their 48-hour deadline, saying negotiations “could go either way.
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July 6, 2015 8:02am
ciaron

“”The more sensible, moderate conservatives who have got political acumen will continue with the Conservative Party and rebuild it.”

John Stringer is a funny man.
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July 6, 2015 8:09am
Chuck Bird

Kidney donor living in agony and poverty after generous gift to father

MP Chris Bishop has had a bill drawn from the parliamentary ballot that would vastly increase payments to kidney and liver donors. “We just want to make it as easy as possible for donors,” he says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/69975626/Kidney-donor-living-in-agony-and-poverty-after-generous-gift-to-father
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July 6, 2015 8:15am
Chuck Bird

The police do not get charged when they kill someone through negligence but this guy got a suspended sentence.

First-term MP reveals fight with gang member after threats to his life
5:00 AM Monday Jul 6, 2015

An MP received a suspended sentence following a fight with a gang member who attacked him after being refused entry to a bar.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476239
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July 6, 2015 8:19am
Awww C-mon

@Chuck

Read everything in that article, and anything Mitchell says with a grain of salt, in fact a truck load of salt.

If half the Clayton Mitchell stories come out it will be the end of him and NZ 1st
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July 6, 2015 8:22am
Griff

It is quite sad nasska .
Just imagine if the assorted fruitloops had made 5 %.
Oh what fun that would have been when the inevitable meltdown came.
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July 6, 2015 8:25am
OneTrack

Manolo – “Iran is playing cat and mouse with this clown..”

Kerry is clearly the mouse, unwilling to say anything mean to Iran, in case someone accuses him of racism.
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July 6, 2015 8:25am
oldpark

Appears the Greeks are celebrating a form of financial Euthanasia,with their “NO” vote. Little realising twenty four hours after the celebrations the money tap will be turned off ,there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth,when they realise how their Prime Minister, has tricked them into voting for a self inflicted form of financial suicide.
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July 6, 2015 8:30am
Simon

“t’s 7.9sq m inside, has no kitchen, sink or toilet and fits little more than a single bed – but a buyer has just paid $104,000 for the shoebox living space.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11476240

Turnips for everyone comrades. This is what happens when the State immerses itself into any market.

Keep voting for National you tribal tards.
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July 6, 2015 8:33am
iMP

COLIN CRAIG CONFESSES. A letter is circulating…

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/22-colin-craig-confesses-behind-the-scenes-of-the-colin-craig-catastrophe-06-july-2015/

[This post is dedicated to Nasska (8:01 am above).
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July 6, 2015 8:34am
Dennis Horne

Stretched parents plead for help
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476238
Last year [Ministry of Education] spent $20 million on physical modifications in schools, and would like to hear about incidences where fences were not provided if necessary.

Incidents.

Whether this howler arose in the ministry or the newspaper it shows a poor standard.

Demands for more money for child minding that should be going on teaching.
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July 6, 2015 8:36am
G152

Beware Greeks doing silly things
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July 6, 2015 8:40am
stephieboy

Manolo (16,412 comments) says:
July 6th, 2015 at 8:02 am

Manolo, dear devoted disciple of Fox .Hear endeth the first lesson for today from the Gospel according to Fox !
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July 6, 2015 8:43am
Lance

@Simon
You are assuming someone wants to ‘live’ there.
Any evidence for that or are you just guessing?

Could just be a crash pad, there are plenty of people with enough money for such luxury.
Who knows?

Certainly bigger than student rooms when I was at polytech, with the same communal facilities. Might be good value for a student who practically lives at Uni anyway.
My daughter is studying Architecture and they pretty much do late or all nighters most of the year.

So are you suggesting this is accommodation for a family?
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July 6, 2015 8:43am
Manolo

Not at all, stephieboy. Even your beloved Aljaazera reports the same:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/kerry-iran-nuclear-talks-150705134741667.html

US Secretary of State John Kerry has said negotiating teams are close to a historic agreement over Iran’s nuclear programme byt cautioned that the talks could still go either way, and that Washington is still willing to walk away if an acceptable deal is not reached.

The mullahs are duping your hero.
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July 6, 2015 8:49am
kowtow

Uk diversity dividend.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3150089/Man-parading-ISIS-flag-outside-Big-Ben.html
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July 6, 2015 8:50am
SGA

I’ve seen no sign of mikenmild since the Super15 final? If anyone comes across a disoriented, bewildered, Hurricanes-clad chap with two-days’ growth wandering the streets of Wellingon, please be kind.
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July 6, 2015 8:52am
Inandout

I dread the forthcoming TV ads imploring us to contribute to the starving people in Greece. And after the ‘No’ vote will there be any unbroken dinner plates left in Athens?
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July 6, 2015 9:00am
Albert_Ross

If Mikenmild is disorientated and bewildered it’s unlikely to be anything to do with the Super15 final. We Wellingtonians are used to sporting disappointment. We are still a bit puzzled by the Hurricanes season overall and would have been utterly discombobulated by a win
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July 6, 2015 9:01am
stephieboy

Manolo, how so if as you quote “,

…and that Washington is still willing to walk away if an acceptable deal is not reached.”

????

Fox and you would of course much prefer instead Washington was peeing in Netanyahu”s pocket ??
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July 6, 2015 9:03am
Manolo

@kowtow: When did UT go to London?
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July 6, 2015 9:04am
UglyTruth

A 7-page Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document dated to August of 2012, recently released under a Freedom Of Information Act, request specifically states that the Syrian opposition was by that time “taking a clear sectarian direction,” and that “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”

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it was predicted by the DIA that “ISI (Islamic State in Iraq) could also declare an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organization in Iraq and Syria” and that “there is a possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria.” This is exactly what transpired in the years after 2012 with the declaration of the Islamic State. Yet not only was this a possibility, this was instead “exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion” with Iran and Iraq being labelled as integral parts of this expansion. The supporting powers are said to be “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-isis-is-made-in-america-the-pentagon-had-planned-the-fall-of-mosul-and-ramadi-in-2012/5451363
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July 6, 2015 9:13am
NK

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476239

Tracey Martin Utu, but a bad one. Are we supposed to think less of Clayton Mitchell because he dealt to a gang member? I think most Kiwis would want to shake his hand.
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July 6, 2015 9:13am
stephieboy

UT,

“..The supporting powers are said to be “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.”

“said” ?? and yet the US is attacking ISIS here ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E256UMVw2po

How does that work ??

Or is the video footage according to Global BS and you fabricated ?
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July 6, 2015 9:20am
MT_Tinman

While I certainly cannot argue against the fact that Wellingtonians are very used to losing I do wonder why they are so bad at accepting it.
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July 6, 2015 9:22am
Manolo

We all know colonialism is the culprit, don’t we? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11476319

After a history of oppression it is no wonder many Maori struggle with alcohol-related issues, says a leader in Maori health. Ngati Hine Health Trust manager Mariameno Kapa said many Maori struggled with their sense of identity.
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July 6, 2015 9:27am
sbk

geez…is StephieBot a Obama Admin. sponsored initiative(a la mode Putin’s special unit of trolls)…you got to wonder when he quick of the mark( 24/7) to counter anything negative on Obama.
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July 6, 2015 9:43am
dime

LOL @ these loser parents taking schools to court.

IMHO the schools bought this shit on themselves.

They are the ones who changed society the most! “little timmy is special” “we dont need exams, we will assess him and give him a gold star for spelling his name right” “you arent responsible for anything timmy” “no winners on sports day!!”

now these kids are either influencing their parents or the parents went through this same mentality at school.

reap what ya sow teachers! enjoy 🙂

oh yeah, be sure not to pat a kid on the head or its assault.

the upside is – im sure little timmy is much more well behaved than the kids of the 70s/80s BAHAHAHAHHA
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July 6, 2015 9:46am
Paulus

Understand in Tauranga the former Publican Clayton Mitchell has been pushing hard for recognition in the local sphere and media that he is the real tough guy and the one to succeed Winestone as Leader of the NZ First Party.
Forget the little ???SAS mechanic guy- his real history will soon emerge bow that he is in the media spotlight.
Clayton will see to it – another Clayton !
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July 6, 2015 9:46am
Dennis Horne

Are people getting sillier and sillier?

Married woman left $41,000 out of pocket after online scam
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476193
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July 6, 2015 9:49am
hj

Paul Krugman and Joseph Stigletz advise the Greeks to vote no. For one thing with your own currency as it falls in value you can (hopefully export your way out. Also it seems that austerity has just made things worse.
Some people are suggesting Greece demonstrates the limits to growth. It isn’t something you can prove but it fits the hypothesis.
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July 6, 2015 9:55am
igm

Ron Mark and Cunliffe do have something in common . . . embellishment of things military! Imagine if one of National’s line-up attempted this terrible misleading rort? Still, when MSM try and discredit another NZ First MP for protecting his business and hammering a gang member, one wonders where decency in media exists . . . maybe it does not.
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July 6, 2015 10:04am
hj

I happened to catch Sounds Historical last night. It included Brian Priestly but also someone recalling their life as a swagger and bushman. He was very contented with life (which is interesting from a point of view of evolutionary psychology). A great voice singing in the last point.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201761187
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July 6, 2015 10:21am
Viking2

As could be expected.

Runanga supports Sonny Tau

A hui held in Kaikohe saw almost 100 kaumatua and kuia support Sonny Tau continuing as chairman of the Ngapuhi Runanga after it was announced he would face charges of hunting/killing kukupa and possessing the protected bird.

At the hui held on Friday at the Te Runanga A iwi O Ngapuhi office, called together at a day’s notice, Mr Tau said he would step aside as chairman of Te Runanga A iwi O Ngapuhi if it was the wish of his elders, but overwhelming support from attendees meant Mr Tau would be continuing his leadership, the runanga said in a statement.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476236

Against all our laws but apparently its different when Ngapuhi do it.
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July 6, 2015 10:26am
hj

The tunisian killer must have bought his T shirt at the Warehouse as it appears to be inside out. The stiching seems to incorporate plastic which irritates the shoulders after a while?
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July 6, 2015 10:27am
hj

I knew someone who was scammed by a southern beauty queen. I was talking to the driver of the truck he used to drive and I asked who the picture was pasted on the cab. He told me how the previous driver had been scammed by the beautiful womans picture (and a Mexican with a keyboard?) And here’s him having a big romance.
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July 6, 2015 10:33am
howitis

Well done to Danny Lee in winning the Greenbrier PGA Golf Classic in West Virginia in a playoff.

It was sudden death 4 way (4 people tied) after 4 full rounds. 2 dropped out after the first hole and Danny won on the second playoff hole.

A world class result from Danny Lee and few bucks in the back pocket.
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July 6, 2015 11:05am
kowtow

Isn’t this bloody marvellous? I reckon people are sick to death of all the PC shit that the media and Establishment figures have been ramming down ordinary folks’ necks for the last 20 years. And that would include the anti democratic Supreme Stupidity’s so called same sex marriage ruling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/11718563/Republicans-cast-into-turmoil-as-Donald-Trump-rides-the-populist-surge.html

There’s a story on Breitbart about a US newspaper decrying the border fence as being too high and a danger to illegal immigrants!
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July 6, 2015 11:33am
ciaron

Snap! (2degrees) helpdesk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n_Ty_72Qds
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July 6, 2015 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Can some of you financial literates explain whether this settlement of the FMA with the Hanover Directors is a good/bad thing?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11476426
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July 6, 2015 11:39am
kowtow

More UK diversity dividend.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/sunday/588917/Athletes-Commonwealth-Games-claiming-asylum
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July 6, 2015 11:41am
kowtow

maggy w

Try this. maybe the comment section will answer your question, eventually.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/76371/eligible-investors-hanover-group-get-18m-after-fma-settlements-failed-finance-companys
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July 6, 2015 11:48am
waripori

Watched too much tele at the weekend but two things stood out. Saw Ron Mark yesterday saying Winston will be around forever and his best days are still to come. Also saw the same Winston on Friday night on 7 days in the segment where the panellists try and get a politician to say yes or no. A few get through including Judith Collins who was too quick for them but not poor old Winston. First thing he said was yes and after that they tried to make it easy for him and he still could not think straight. Just seemed a bit tired and probably still confused as to how he finished up with Ron as Deputy.
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July 6, 2015 12:01pm
NK

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/07/06/life-after-winston-part-two-tracey-martin-rise-and-fall-of-the-queen-of-hearts/

You gotta read this. You just have to.
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July 6, 2015 12:07pm
stephieboy

kowtow, bring it on with Trump. Nothing ore calculated to split the GOP further and the now all important Hispanic vote going for Hilary.
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July 6, 2015 12:28pm
ste3e

Good on the Greeks for reclaiming democracy and refusing to be tyrannized by an economic dictatorship run by the top 10 percent intent on appropriating 60 percent plus of all national incomes. So what do they do? If they kick Greece out, Greece looks toward the east and invites Russia, Iran and Pakistan into the European bloc and in ISIS is smuggled. Or they capitulate and indicate to other countries that the free market is a myth and it is the irrational fears of the dictated to that binds them.
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July 6, 2015 12:43pm
Manolo

Tell the Grim Reaper to help Cuba and hurry up:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/cuba/11718191/Fidel-Castro-makes-rare-public-appearance-to-visit-cheese-makers-in-Havana.html

Former Cuban President Fidel Castro, 88, visited 19 cheese masters for four hours on Friday in a rare trip outside his Havana home, official media reported on Saturday.
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July 6, 2015 12:44pm
Manolo

stephieboy will blame Fox: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-70-percent-of-americans-believe-news-media-is-intentionally-biased/article/2567583

Nearly three quarters of Americans believe the news media reports with an intentional bias, according to a new survey.
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July 6, 2015 12:47pm
SGA

ste3e at 12:43 pm

If they kick Greece out, Greece looks toward the east and invites Russia, Iran and Pakistan into the European bloc and in ISIS is smuggled.

Unless the Greeks have changed a lot over the last generation or so, Greece looking to the Middle East seems unlikely – I’d think there would be too much bad blood with Turkey.
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July 6, 2015 12:50pm
HB

@dime

I have to disagree. Well for high schools, anyway.
Some parents are wrapped around their kids fingers. They will ring up and say little Timmy is ‘sick’ today and can’t come to school when little Timmy doesn’t want to go to swimming sports. Absences are higher by a factor of 3-4 on days such as these at the school I teacher at – the vast majority are excused by parents.
I also think you’re wrong about the sports teams – the teachers I know in charge of sports teams definitely want their teams to win! Both the students and teachers are highly competitive. They will pick the best for the team – it’s not like you miss out on playing if you don’t make the first XI. Or you could go play for a club if you don’t get picked for the firsts at your own school. From what I have seen it is parents who try and shelter their darlings from the realities of competition, not teachers.

Most parents are great. Some, however, have a bad case of ‘entitlement’ and don’t accept that they and their children need to take responsibility for their actions. This happens at levels of society. From the infamous rowing incident to parents who try to blame the school for lack of achievement while at the same time trying to justify only 70% attendance.
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July 6, 2015 12:51pm
kowtow

Yep manolo, “comrades” can live long healthy lives off the back of their oppressed peoples, while the majority of the wests’ media and academics pretend it’s all about equality and Viva la revolution. Fucking lying scum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2634816/King-Castro-How-Fidel-lived-life-luxury-Cuba-complete-luxury-island-turtle-farm.html
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July 6, 2015 12:53pm
ste3e

@SGA

If EEC trade with Greece then they accept Greek currency because the Greeks have no more hard currency. If the EEC do not trade with Greece then Greece is forced to trade elsewhere.
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July 6, 2015 1:06pm
stephieboy

Manolo, that 70% pol would depend on both the framing of the question and who was actually surveyed. If for example they surveyed Washington Examiner readers or Fox viewers like you then it would be hardly surprising about the out come of such a poll.

Also stand back a bit. You not seriously suggesting that either the above are intentionally impeccably impartial and objectively neutral about US and world affairs ??
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July 6, 2015 1:17pm
ste3e

To extend the last. If the EEC continue trade with Greece accepting Greek currency, then it doesn’t matter whether that currency is indebted to the US dollar or is outright printed by the sovereign Greek government (assuming Greece is out of the EEC).
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July 6, 2015 1:21pm
Manolo

The sheriff is going to ask stephieboy for help: http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/sheriff-joe-affirms-obamas-birth-certificate-fake/ 😀 😀
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July 6, 2015 1:25pm
kowtow

“the now all important Hispanic vote going for Hilary.”

It’ll go to Hilarious anyway. Don’t know why RINO’s like Jeb et al suck up to ’em in the first place, just like the vast majority of black voters ,they’ll always vote for the left who steal off the productive to give to the lazy in order to seize power.
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July 6, 2015 1:32pm
stephieboy

Manolo,oh dear the old deluded wind bag of a Sheriff never gives up at playing his usual silly games of shifting the goal posts. Of course no matter what the President ever did the Sheriff would still say it was faked . Maybe the old clown should now give more serious attention to Ted Cruz’s birth origins ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

kowtow, steal off the productive ?? Such as these ?
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July 6, 2015 1:49pm
stephieboy

kowtow, such as these ?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/22/5086/
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July 6, 2015 1:55pm
Shawn Herles

Kowtow,

Hispanics have a very strong work ethic as a general rule.

In order to win the Federal election a candidate MUST win Florida. Florida has a large Hispanic population, particularly Cuban. Cuban’s, for obvious reasons, are fiercely anti-communist and pro-American.

While it should not prevent them from speaking the truth about illegal immigration, it makes total sense for the Republicans to woo the Hispanic vote. The vote is likely to be very close, so writing off ANY ethnic group as potential Republican voters is dumb, because even shaving just a few votes off the Dems here and there could make a difference.
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July 6, 2015 1:58pm
Manolo

Political hanky panky: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11719289/Labour-MP-Simon-Danczuk-in-public-spat-with-wife-over-split.html
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July 6, 2015 2:00pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles,

Correct . What the Republicans need is strong centre right candidate . Jeb Bush fits the bill and so does I believe Scott Walker etc .

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/bush-trump-immigrants/index.html

Also lets not be surprised by the positive reactions to Trump with supporters after all like kowtow etc.
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July 6, 2015 2:15pm
Manolo

You can write off the majority Blacks, but not the Hispanics from Florida (the ones from California are a different matter). As Shawn indicated, FL is a key state.
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July 6, 2015 2:18pm
Shawn Herles

Yes stephie, Bush, Walker, and I would add Rubio, are the Republicans best bet. They are solidly conservative, but don’t come across as extremists (because their not to be fair.)

Trump is a circus sideshow. He will make some noise in the media, but he won’t win the nomination.
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July 6, 2015 2:24pm
Fletch

Here we go. Liberals now want the flag for Minnesota (circa 1819) taken down for imaginary racism. It features a white guy working on a farm, and an Indian on a horse with a spear and somehow that is supposed to be racist because he is working and the Indian isn’t.

The contrast in the images of the figures is interesting: The image of the pioneer, a peaceful man who has laid down his gun and is plowing his field, is juxtaposed with the image of the Indian, who may still want to fight (his spear is at the ready) but who seems to be riding away. The pioneer/farmer is using a plow, a symbol of civilization. The white man is depicted as a “doer” who is entitled to the land, trees and water, empowered by the concept of Manifest Destiny. The Indian is the vacating tenant. A peaceful transition is suggested, but this ignores the tense and problematic history of conflict between European settlers and Indians, such as the complicated history of treaties and the Dakota War of 1862. More problematic, however, is the depiction of a racist, stereotyped Indian, who wears only a loin cloth and a feather.

http://www.startribune.com/as-long-as-we-re-discussing-flags-what-about-minnesota-s/311320071/

This liberal bullshit is actually starting to make me angry. Who are these stupid people?
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July 6, 2015 2:31pm
Griff

This liberal bullshit is actually starting to make me angry. Who are these stupid people?

DPF is a liberal bletch .
You want to know who is stupid look into a mirror……
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July 6, 2015 2:34pm
Fletch

Talk about cradle-snatching. Stephen Fry (aged 57) ‘marries’ his partner Elliot Spencer (aged 27). And yes, they do look like father and son. One would suggest that Elliot has daddy issues.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/jan/17/stephen-fry-elliott-spencer-marries-twitter

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150117135219-stephen-fry-elliot-spencer—restricted-super-169.jpg

Look at the photo and tell me there is not something terribly wrong there.
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July 6, 2015 2:37pm
Shawn Herles

“This liberal bullshit is actually starting to make me angry. Who are these stupid people?”

Yes. it’s liberal-left stupidity. The argument that the Native American is being portrayed as lazy is bizarre. He’s on a horse with a spear, hunting, obviously.

But just as there are different kinds of conservatism, there are different kinds of liberalism. I wouldn’t tar all of them with the same brush.
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July 6, 2015 2:46pm
Reid

Fletch, https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-marriage-and-homosexuality-were-part-of-moral-landscape-in-ancient-rome, and we all know what happened to them.
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July 6, 2015 2:49pm
Shawn Herles

” and we all know what happened to them.”

They created one of the largest, most stable, and longest lasting empires the world has ever seen, and created a civilization that we are still indebted to today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
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July 6, 2015 3:23pm
stephieboy

Reid, and the Roman Empire fell for a multiple of reasons other than alledged homosexual decadence ,

http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell
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July 6, 2015 3:23pm
kowtow

Flags and emblems are all important symbols of where we come from, our heritage etc.That is why the marxists seek to attack and rewrite history, to erase the past,

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/politics/2014/02/06/15782/aclu-sues-over-cross-symbol-on-official-la-county/
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July 6, 2015 3:31pm
kowtow

Same at one of the oldest universities in the British Isles.

“In its place, a simple blue and white scheme reveals three elements from the existing shield – a harp, a lion and a castle – while the fourth, a clasped Bible or book, is replaced with an image of an open book taken from a separate university shield.”

https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/opinions-are-not-as-one-over-trinity-college-dublin-rebrand/2012727.article

Always get rid of the Christian.
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July 6, 2015 3:32pm
Griff

The homosexuality of Rome still lingers.
It’s legacy can still be found in the Roman Catholic church.
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July 6, 2015 3:36pm
SGA

Fletch at 2:37 pm

Look at the photo and tell me there is not something terribly wrong there.

Here’s another for you Fletch 🙂
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10178207/Catherine-Zeta-Jones-talks-for-first-time-about-husband-Michael-Douglass-cancer.html
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July 6, 2015 3:37pm
stigie

“Look at the photo and tell me there is not something terribly wrong there”.

Elliot just looks a bit dainty thats all ?
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July 6, 2015 3:40pm
Manolo

@SGA: How much would one pay to be Michael?
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July 6, 2015 3:42pm
SGA

@SGA: How much would one pay to be Michael?

Well, nothing given he’s been battling cancer. If you are asking if I think that CZJ is gorgeous – oh yeah, very much so.
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July 6, 2015 3:45pm
Mike Readman

hey DPF, did you go to the US embassy this year for the 4th of July like you often do? It’s funny you like to, but then say conpiracy theorists are “crazy”. Check this out for proof 76% of Americans are conspiracy theorists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories
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July 6, 2015 3:48pm
cricko

In the old days “Justice must be seen to be done.” was a basic tenet.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11476559

Of course, in New Zealand these days that turns out to be just bullshit.
The reputation of someone in the establishment needs to be protected trumps that old fashioned idea every time,
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July 6, 2015 3:49pm
kowtow

Bonkers Britain benefitting from the diversity dividend. How the hell British voters put up with this is beyond me. They have been betrayed by their political and legal elites

“But he is living on £50,000 a year in handouts with his wife and five children in a £1 million house in West London, after using human rights laws to thwart attempts to deport him for more than 15 years”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3150348/Living-50-000-benefits-hate-preacher-inspired-beach-killer-Cleric-lives-five-bedroom-home-wife-five-children-thwarting-deportation-attempts-15-years.html#comments
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July 6, 2015 3:56pm
kowtow

One of the reasons Rome fell was that Romans would no longer fight for themselves and they hired their enemies to do the fighting for them.Eventually Romans became barbarians themselves.

This is what’s happening to the west today. Multiculturalism ,self loathing , human rights and the loss of nationalism and national pride.

Meanwhile our leaders allow the barbarian hordes to swarm the gates.
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July 6, 2015 4:00pm
Manolo

@kowtow: And the bastard Muslim cleric is begetting scum that will continue to drain the British taxpayer. What a triumph for multiculturalism.
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July 6, 2015 4:01pm
Griff

.Eventually Romans became barbarians themselves.
Yip they all turned Christian kow tow .
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July 6, 2015 4:05pm
UglyTruth

Humans got their name from Cicero’s distinction between Roman citizens and non-Roman “barbarians”.
Of course the Romans could be every bit as barbaric as anyone else.
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July 6, 2015 4:10pm
Reid

Great article on how Putin’s wiping out the US divide and rule EU strategy by building not one but two pipelines one to Germany the other to Turkey thus supplying Russian gas to all of Europe. It also has a quote from the head of stratfor to the effect the US policy for centuries has been to prevent a German Russia union because that has the power to destroy the US (although he means the UKUSA). And this is the premise of this book I’ve cited before. Good to know the head of stratfor and I both agree on this topic, although its pretty obvious when you think about it.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-gobsmacks-uncle-sam-again/ri8485
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July 6, 2015 4:12pm
wreck1080

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/70004037/man-wearing-isis-flag-not-breaking-uk-law

This should be against the law. British people are losing their lives at the hands of isis so they are an enemy of the state . Therefore, to support them would make one an enemy.

Freedom of speech does have a limit.
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July 6, 2015 4:18pm
Fletch

re: Rome etc.

The moral life of a civilization is always the first to fall before the physical fall of that civilization.

Dr. Carle Zimmerman from Harvard wrote a book in 1947 in which he researched the different roles that marriage played in different historical periods. He wanted to find out if there was a correlation between the health of a nation and the health of the family. His book is called “Family and Civilization”.

He found that there are three basic patterns to families. One pattern is always dominant in a developing nation, the second pattern always dominates in a thriving nation, and the third pattern always dominates in a nation in decline.

He found a direct correlation between the health of the family and the health of a nation. He said that you can predict exactly where a nation is in its life cycle just by studying the family.

According to this research, eight specific patterns of domestic behaviour have signalled the downward spiral and imminent demise of every culture:

* Marriage lost its sacredness; it was frequently broken by divorce.

* Traditional meaning of the marriage ceremony was lost. Alternate forms and definitions of marriage arose, and traditional marriage vows were replaced by individual marriage contracts.

* Feminist movements appeared, and women lost interest in child bearing and mothering, preferring to pursue power and influence.

* Public disrespect for parents and authority in general increased.

* Juvenile delinquency, promiscuity, and rebellion accelerated

* People with traditional marriages refused to accept family responsibilities.

* Desire for and acceptance of adultery grew.

* Increased tolerance for sexual perversions of all kinds, particularly homosexuality, with a resultant increase in sex-related crimes.

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Civilization-Prof-Carle-Zimmerman/dp/1933859377

Sounds like our culture fits all eight destructive patterns to me.
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July 6, 2015 4:26pm
UglyTruth

On marriage (lawful union) and real property:

Blackstone, in his Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765) said that a bastard “cannot be heir to anyone, neither can he have heirs” and could be legitimized only by “act of Parliament”.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/B/Bastard.aspx
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July 6, 2015 4:36pm
Griff

Yip fletch
Now about Colon Graig Conservatism and traditional family values…
or was that Graham kiddy fiddly Capill.
Your conservative heroes are some of the worst offenders when it comes to lacking morals.
We could go on to the Catholic church, slavery of single mothers, baby selling and boy molesting but I think I have already made my point.
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July 6, 2015 4:38pm
nasska

….”Your conservative heroes are some of the worst offenders when it comes to lacking morals”….

You’ll disturb the comforted by stating things like that Griff. After all, even if the conservative’s anointed ones are usually sexual reprobates they do talk the talk.
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July 6, 2015 4:52pm
stephieboy

kowtow (10,421 comments) says:
July 6th, 2015 at 4:00 pm

What utter piffle and facile the comparison between Rome’s use of mercenaries , its decline and contemporary “multiculturalism” As I posted before Rome fell for multiple reasons including “over extension ” i.e fighting battles remote from centers of power and a love of luxury and materialism. that is a feature of our life to day. Can’t see Fletch and you surrendering that.

Fletch , you present an over simplistic account of the rise and alleged fall marriage according to Carle Zimmerman . One of the ironies it was the Barbarian invasions with their extended idea of family that had big role in restoring the ideal of family and kin ties.
Just when did the “feminist” movements appear in including disrespect for Parental authority say in the Reformation period ?
It’s worth recalling that the Eastern Orthodox Church had a no fault system of divorce recognising the concept of irretrievable breakdown of the marriage as the sole grounds for divorce.

Zimmermann confines his studies to Western marriage and largely ignores it; evolution and development in e.g Ancient China and Confucianism and Hindu India .
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July 6, 2015 4:55pm
UglyTruth

Now about Colon Graig Conservatism and traditional family values…

Conservative values don’t have a common origin. The “Nineteen Year Winter” of King Stephen was marked by two competing philosophies: the civil law of Europe and the common law of England, clergy vs nobility if you like.
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July 6, 2015 5:00pm
Griff

The ultimate expression of “Conservative values”
look towards ISIS.
Because that is what the ReligoConservative ultimately want .
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July 6, 2015 5:05pm
stephieboy

UT, Marriage in England and wales during the Medieval period was based on Canon law and Common law marriage derived therefrom was effectively abolished by the 1753 Marriage Act,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_England_and_Wales#Medieval_period
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July 6, 2015 5:12pm
Shawn Herles

“The ultimate expression of “Conservative values”
look towards ISIS.”

Griff, there are two possibilities.

You are trolling.

You actually believe this.

If the first, it’s kinda obvious.

If the second, that’s about as batshit crazy as anything UglyTruth says.

Either way, comparing mainstream Christian conservatives with ISIS is just plain dumb.
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July 6, 2015 5:12pm
stigie

“You’ll disturb the comforted by stating things like that Griff. After all, even if the conservative’s anointed ones are usually sexual reprobates they do talk the talk”.

http://liberation.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d75d69e20120a5acf814970c-320wi
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July 6, 2015 5:13pm
Shawn Herles

Speaking of moral reprobates who are a threat to children….

” England (RNS) Richard Dawkins, one of the world’s best-known and outspoken atheists, has provoked outrage among child protection agencies and experts after suggesting that recent child abuse scandals have been overblown.

In an interview in The Times magazine on Saturday (Sept. 7), Dawkins, 72, he said he was unable to condemn what he called “the mild pedophilia” he experienced at an English school when he was a child in the 1950s.

Referring to his early days at a boarding school in Salisbury, he recalled how one of the (unnamed) masters “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts.”

He said other children in his school peer group had been molested by the same teacher but concluded: “I don’t think he did any of us lasting harm.”

“I am very conscious that you can’t condemn people of an earlier era by the standards of ours. Just as we don’t look back at the 18th and 19th centuries and condemn people for racism in the same way as we would condemn a modern person for racism, I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today,” he said.

He said the most notorious cases of pedophilia involve rape and even murder and should not be bracketed with what he called “just mild touching up.””

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/richard-dawkins-pedophilia_n_3895514.html

Would anyone let liberal atheist Richard Dawkins babysit their children when he has no problem with a bit of “mild touching up”?
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July 6, 2015 5:16pm
nasska

…..”that is what the ReligoConservative ultimately want “…..

Surely they’re not like the ISIS Griff? Not our very own religious know all nuts. But then again…..

1) Women to be chattels & breeding machines…..Check.

2) The country to be resaturated with Skyfairy crap…..Check

3) What cannot be gained by God to be gained by violence. eg child beating…..Check

4) …….

Why bother going on……you’re right!
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July 6, 2015 5:17pm
UglyTruth

If the second, that’s about as batshit crazy as anything UglyTruth says.

You still all butthurt about me pointing out that hypocrisy is part of the Christian canon via the Paul the Pharisee?
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