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DifferentPerspective

“Socialism” = Rape Culture

How is importing swathes of sub-human, sub-Saharan muslims working out for Sweden? Not that well, apparently!
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November 6, 2016 8:01am
artemisia

So, if Angela Merkel et EU al had not opened the doors to migrants, would Brexit have won? I think not.
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November 6, 2016 8:07am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  There is that positive aspect to it, proving that every rape cloud has a silver lining?!
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:08am
DifferentPerspective

Rigged!

Voter fraud in the US by the DNC – it’s real

Imagine that, a corrupt political party acting corruptly – in Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s county.

How awful are the Democrats if they keep on proving Trump’s ‘outrageous’ comments correct? Over and over and over again!
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November 6, 2016 8:11am
- stephieboy
  
  pah for the course stuff among Republicans according to this report,
  
  Iowa GOP voter arrested for alleged voter fraud: report
  
  “A Republican woman in Iowa has been arrested on suspicion that she voted twice in the general election, according to a new report.
  
  Terri Lynn Rote, 55, was arrested and charged with first-degree election misconduct, The Des Moines Register reported.
  
  Rote allegedly voted early at an election office in Des Moines and then cast another ballot at a satellite voting location, according to police.>>”
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/303406-iowa-republican-voter-arrested-for-alleged-voter-fraud
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:28am
  - burt
    
    I think both parties are using the same defence that ultimately killed a standing court case for dear leader Clark after the 2005 election debacle here.
    
    Others do it too, it’s not fair to just punish us – MOVE ON!
    
    And we do.
    
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    November 6, 2016 9:18am
  - Gabby
    
    The Crook Clinton Put Her Up To It.
    
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    November 6, 2016 9:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Said it before, the media finds one elderly confused person who cast two votes because she was concerned that her first one had gone astray and it’s a Republican voter fraud headline. Meanwhile we have the video of senior Democrat officials boasting that they bussed illegal voters around precincts to vote in a large scale exercise in vote fraud and…………..crickets.
    
    In fact despite Jonar’s claim below by “experts” those are merely Democrat paid experts. Most people accept that there is an endemic level of voter fraud with 99.9% carried out by Democrats. This does affect elections, even presidential ones. JFK’s victory in 1960 is widely agreed to have hinged on massive fraud to win the critical state; Al Franken became a senator on the back of illegal votes by felons, investigators have tracked more felon’s votes than Franken’s majority.
    
    Right now, the DO (J) is actively obstructing any attempts to clean up voter rolls and to ensure that only legitimate voters can vote. If Hillary Clinton wins the number of illegal votes will almost certainly be greater than her victory margin; that’s why the Democrats so vociferously object to any attempts to prevent voter fraud, they rely on it in many cases and nobody has ever looked at it seriously.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:03am
- jonar
  
  http://fortune.com/2016/10/18/studies-contradict-trump-claim-that-voter-fraud-is-very-very-common/
  
  Most experts say voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S., with one study by a Loyola Law School professor finding just 31 known cases of impersonation fraud out of 1 billion votes cast in U.S. elections between 2000 and 2014.
  
  http://www.voanews.com/a/voter-fraud-extremely-rare-hard-accomplish/3562240.html
  
  The New York Times noted that an aggressive campaign against voter fraud by the administration of President George W. Bush brought 120 cases, with 86 convictions, out of 200 million votes cast.
  
  What’s more dangerous for democracy in the US is Trump’s promotion of a myth.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  Rigging elections is all par-for-the-course for Democrats. Just a normal part of an election for them.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    Based on what evidence ? These rigging allegations stem from ,
    
    1 Republican attempts to stifle the Democrat vote
    
    2 A petulant Trump and his supporters who claim if he loses the elections they have to be rigged but if he wins it is hard to say what except hopefully some hot runny eggs on his face.
    
    Trump’s bogus voter fraud claims ,
    
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:36am
Chuck Bird

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This is a disgrace. This will end up costing National. Not only has Kelvin Davis spoken out again this violation of human rights but so has Davin Seymour, Peter Dunne and Winston Peters. I hear many on this blog saying it inhumane not to allow assisted suicide. I wonder how many of you also support this denial basic human rights of medical care for a non violent prisoner.

Dying prisoner Vicki Letele left in pain for almost four hours, family claim

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11742473
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November 6, 2016 8:19am
- VicParking
  
  Its the parole board who have control over this situation not John Key. He is unable by law to override the Board. He made a statement to the effect that it would be good to allow this poor person to die with her family, buts thats it.
  If Politicans could influence Parole Board decisions the prsions would be empty and the streets full of prisoner’s whos mother inlaw’s step brother needs his toenails cut and only they can do it.
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    A policy to be announced from the labour party conference this afternoon (now that they read it here!)
    
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    November 6, 2016 9:06am
- G152
  
  If you look at the names of the politician opportunists in your post it may give you an indication as to why Corrections hasn’t done anything yet
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:38am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You seem to think process is more important than justice. If Muldoon had not acted against advice Arthur Thomas would not have been pardoned.
    
    If National did some internal polling and found out the treatment of Vicky Letele would cost National at the polls heavily Key would act.
    
    The National government was happy to pay $900k to David Bain and ignore proper process just for votes.
    
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    November 6, 2016 8:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Bollocks
      
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      November 6, 2016 9:08am
    - Nookin
      
      Chuck, you criticise VicParking for putting process before justice and then condemn the government for ignoring proper process. You cant have it both ways – except if the only assessment criteria that you apply is that no matter what, the government must be wrong!
      
      Incidentally, what is the proper process for a situation where you have determined that there is no basis for making an ex gratia payment by way of compensation but, to avoid litigation and put a matter to bed you negotiate a settlement?
      
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      November 6, 2016 9:35am
      - Gabby
        
        It’s called pulling a McMutton.
        
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        November 6, 2016 9:51am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Nookin, I am saying John Key only cares about process except when it can cost him votes.
        
        Why did the so called justice system not bring justice to Pora a lot earlier. Why do they not prosecute Rewa.
        
        John Key is driven by polling. He is totally devoid of ethics.
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:21am
- cmm
  
  People are quick to claim all sorts of bullshit and the MSM just repeats it with no fact checking.
  
  These days the MSM are quick to report emotionally charged unsubstantiated claims. By now your bullshit detector should start flashing.
  
  This claim might be perfectly legitimate, but after the MSM have cried wolf so much, one can be forgiven for distrusting them.
  
  File alongside all the other bullshit stories they’ve run in the last many years.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:24am
- holysheet
  
  Chucky most of us on here don’t give a rats arse about this fraudulent criminal. And yet you keep bringing up the topic. Move on.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:42am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The fact is most of you John Key sycophants are racist against Maori and Pacific Islanders and do not give a rats ass about corruption. We have judges giving permanent name suppression to paedophiles, child abuses and sexual offenders to protect the National Party. I am glad to see David Seymour is a least consistent and I think is opposed to corruption.
    
    Chucky most of us on here don’t give a rats arse about this fraudulent criminal.
    
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    November 6, 2016 5:04pm
- Liberty
  
  You have right now to jump of a cliff.
  because that is a individual choice.
  But a so called right to pop granny off because she asked me to do it. Is wrong on so many levels.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:02am
- thedavincimode
  
  You need to get a grip Chuck. I would hope Key is doing something more important than pandering to a crook and associated political opportunists. Corrections will review its decision. End of non story.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:58am
stephieboy

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NEW ZEALAND ENVIRONMENT

Hottest year yet could mean agriculture suffers

This year is set to be New Zealand’s hottest on record.

” A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) spokesperson says temperatures for the first 10 months of this year have been one degree warmer than the average, with November and December likely to follow suit.

Victoria University of Wellington physical geography professor and former NIWA principal scientist James Renwick said one degree may not sound substantial but it could have considerable effects.

Dr Renwick said a hotter summer could spell disaster for drought-prone areas and the agricultural sector is likely to feel the effects of warmer temperatures the most…”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317406/hottest-year-yet-could-mean-agriculture-suffers

Is it a coincidence that many climate change deniers also happen to be Trumpists ?
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November 6, 2016 8:22am
- VicParking
  
  I will make saw I have a passing thought for the farmers as I sip my cool drink and lay in the sun on my back deck
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:40am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  What a surpise!
  
  Who ever would have thought (a Clintoris would I guess) that an El Nino year (ie the warm phase) would have been (gasp!) warm!
  
  There you go again Stephie – ignoring inconvenient truths to fit odd bits of info to your belief system.
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:47am
  - stephieboy
    
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    you deny NIWA projections based on what evidence ?
    
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    November 6, 2016 8:49am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      I know you deliberately miss the point all the time Stephie – but the whole debate about ~~Global Warming~~ (I keep on forgetting that now that there is no global warming the loony greenies have no re-badged their religion) Climate Change is about the anthropomorphic aspect of it.
      
      The climate has always changed. It is the inanity of belief that man can influence it significantly that is at issue – particularly given that there is asymmetry of research going on.
      
      Research funding into proving the myth of anthropomorphic CC is in the hundreds of billions. Any research proposal seeking to disprove the flimsy theories (ie applying the scientific method) is denied funding and the researchers excommunicated as ‘deniers’.
      
      We all have to remember that Christopher Columbus was a ‘Flat Earth’ denier according to the best minds on the planet at the time. Our science re CC is about the same level of sophistication as the 15th Century Flat Earthers.
      
      The confirmation bias on the subject over-whelming. And the conflict of interest for a 3rd rate institute like NIWA is similarly over-whelming. It has never been so easy for them to get funding for their peculiar form of welfare for homeless academics.
      
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      November 6, 2016 9:17am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        ooops “anthropogenic”
        
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        November 6, 2016 9:23am
    - cmm
      
      Stephie:
      
      Furst off I am a scientist. I have post grad degree in science, so I generally understand how science should be conducted.
      
      I have had two interactions with NIWA and in both of those, NIWA’s scientific method was very dodgy (to be polite).
      
      1) Request for tidal data. I requested their raw tidal data to try replicate some of their “the world is going to be flooded in X years” predictions. They refused to hand it out. They would only hand over “corrected” data. I then asked for the methodology they used to “correct” the data. They would not give that out. Shit science.
      
      2) Sediment research on Selwyn River: I was fishing on the Selwyn River and NIWA science crew turned up to take a whole lot of measurements of gravel sizes etc. I asked them about what they were doing and what they hoped to find out. They wanted to determine how agriculture was impacting on the sediments in the river by measuring them, then coming back a few months later and measuring again.
      
      I told them their methodology was flawed because they were talking samples from a very unstable part of the river bed. Only a month ago the river had been in spate and all the gravels had been moved. They would not get an apples-to-apples comparison. That didn’t seem to bother them. Bad science.
      
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      November 6, 2016 9:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      NIWA’s projections seem to hit the jackpot at the same rate that I win Lotto’s jackpot.
      
      NIWA was predicting devastating droughts for NZ this time last year…
      remember all the hype about the Godzilla El Nino, how it was going to destroy our economy..
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/a-concern-el-ninos-big-dry-prompts-fears-for-new-zealand-economy
      
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      November 6, 2016 9:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        I’d rather go with NIWA’s data analysis than climate denial pseudo-science ,
        
        https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/information-and-resources/nz-temperature-record
        
        and of course The NZ Royal Society ,
        
        http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/expert-advice/papers/yr2016/climate-change-implications-for-new-zealand/key-aspects-of-climate-change-for-new-zealand/
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘I’d rather go with NIWA’s data analysis’
        
        That’s probably because you are an ignorant idiot who has no idea that the data has been ‘homogenised’ aka adjusted and that the margin of error in the Stevenson Screens they use is so large that the measurements are largely pointless.
        Which is why in the US they are being replaced.
        But hey, you continue to go ‘Baaaa’ like the sheep you are.
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:50am
      - thedavincimode
        
        stephie, you’ve just been told by a scientist that NIWA won’t release data relevant to a highly charged political issue and been also been given a specific example of flawed NIWA methodology that even lay people such as ourselves can see the error in. That doesn’t concern you?
        
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        November 6, 2016 12:03pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Repeat a lie often enough…………..
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    Don the Kiwi , are you suggesting NIWA and the NZ Royal Society are engaged in a conspiracy to deceive the public ?
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:47am
    - holysheet
      
      Stupidboy, thats exactly what he is saying. Even a moron could work that out.
      I am struggling with what you can be, as a moron is about as dumb as you can get. Any help in naming you other than a moron would be appreciated.
      
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      November 6, 2016 1:12pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        His argument makes as much sense as a moronic syphilitic pygmy, with micro-encephalitis
        
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        November 6, 2016 2:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Are you suggesting that you and ABS make more sense than NIWA and the NZ Royal Society ?
        
        How so ?
        
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        November 6, 2016 7:29pm
- waikatogirl
  
  It doesn’t feel too warm again this morning. Bloody cold infact.
  Dairying in the Waikato is down at least 10% due to the cold and wet. My strawberry plants, normally bearing fruit by now are struggling…
  Your prediction for a hot summer is running a bit behind! Bring on the sunshine, it will make a nice change.?
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Its 21 deg here. I’ve had to retreat inside before my pasty white skin frizzles.
    
    Had our first plateful of home-grown strawberries last night….not overly tasty, though.
    
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    November 6, 2016 10:21am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yum Maggy.
      It’s my birthday soon and I’ve always enjoyed the first strawberries of the year. My strawberry tradition reminds me of my childhood birthday celebrations.
      
      Might have to forgo them this year!
      
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      November 6, 2016 10:45am
- William of Ockham
  
  R, you are dealing with the ignorant and insane, but this might interest you:
  Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming
  http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf
  
  Incidentally, John Cook has gone to George Mason University, over the river from Washington DC.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:36am
- Liberty
  
  So what is the problem ?
  Crops grow exceeding well in the tropics.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:30am
  - mikenmild
    
    What a moron.
    
    [DPF: Less personal abuse or a strike may strike]
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:36am
    - Liberty
      
      Do you have proof crops do not do exceeding well in the tropics.
      What is the problem growing Bananas in Auckland and lemons in Invercargill.
      Being a warmist apologist it might not fit your deluded agenda.
      
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      November 6, 2016 12:04pm
      - Liberty
        
        Still waiting for Mikenmild
        to explain to me
        why you shouldn’t grow lemons in Invercargill.
        
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        November 6, 2016 10:40pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Excellent work mike – you don’t agree with someone’s viewpoint. Do you provide a counter-argument?
      
      No! You insult them.
      
      Once again – you are doing your bit to keep Labour in perma-opposition. The rational majority are sick of all the hatefulness of the Left – you are looking down the barrel of a 4th straight humiliating rejection of your political viewpoints!
      
      A rational person would start to question if they were wrong.
      
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      November 6, 2016 2:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Liberty , like wheat ,barley , oats and rye ?
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      rice, sugar, banana, coffee, tea, oilpalm, pineapple, citrus, mango, sweet potato, cotton, coconut, pulses, maize, millet, cassava, etc,etc
      
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      November 6, 2016 12:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      check out the production figures for wheat in Africa
      http://image.slidesharecdn.com/05-bekeleshiferaw-wheatproductioninssafrica-121025195123-phpapp02/95/potential-economic-profitability-and-competitiveness-of-wheat-production-in-ss-africa-4-638.jpg?cb=1351774663
      
      You could go into google and check out wheat production figures for Brazil, if you are still worried about growing crops in the tropics.
      
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      November 6, 2016 3:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilief,
        
        according to this information, wheat grows best in temperate regions such as Northern areas of India like the Punjab with moderate or low rainfall .,
        
        http://www.importantindia.com/4403/geographical-condition-for-wheat-cultivation/
        
        Unlike rice more suited to tropical regions with heavy rainfall
        
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        November 6, 2016 4:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      according to this information, wheat grows best in temperate regions such as Northern areas of India like the Punjab with moderate or low rainfall
      
      Yes, I know that many wheat varieties grow very well in temperate climes. (you do remember that I know one or two things about plants, don’t you?)
      
      but: 1. Even in the tropics there are locations (high elevation plateaus) where temperate varieties of wheat grow well,
      and
      2 There are strains/varieties of wheat that grow well in warm climate zones
      http://phys.org/news/2013-12-brazil-wheat-production-tropics.html
      
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      November 6, 2016 5:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        But much more productively and effectively on e.g the temperate great plains of North America, Russia, Ukraine and Northern China and India ?
        
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        November 6, 2016 7:31pm
- thedavincimode
  
  That’s right stephie. All pussy grabbers deny climate change. How can that be a coincidence? Your empirical evidence supporting that claim will follow – won’t it?
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:04pm
rightoverlabour

Looks like nothing except market forces will regulate a housing market.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/nov/05/rise-in-sales-of-1m-plus-homes-despite-high-stamp-duty-bills

Those that believe that any intervention is going to cool Auckland need to go back to Economics 101.
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November 6, 2016 8:32am
stephieboy

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THE MISLEADING MYTH OF VOTER FRAUD IN AMERICAN ELECTIONS

“Are fraudulent voters undermining U.S. elections? The simple answer is no. Rather, the threat comes from the myth of voter fraud used to justify rules that restrict full and equal voting rights.

A concerted partisan campaign to erect more restrictive voting rules is apace in many states, with Republicans pushing new limits on access and Democrats objecting. Thousands of changes to state election codes have been proposed since the contested presidential election of 2000. Far fewer have been signed into law, but those put in place – such as rules that people have a certain kind of photo identification card available from specific government offices – are making it more difficult for many citizens to cast ballots, including longtime voters as well as new ones.

In a democracy, reducing access to the ballot is difficult to justify. Political motives and strategies to discourage voting by particular groups such as racial minorities cannot be openly announced. That’s where the myth of criminal voters comes in – as proponents of new rules cite the supposed threat of votes fraudulently cast by foreigners, noncitizens, immigrants, felons, and imposters who supposedly travel around to vote in many precincts. Mythical threats that stoke social prejudices are used to make new restrictions seem reasonable….”

http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/misleading-myth-voter-fraud-american-elections

Isolated instances yes as per my post about a Republican voter but on a scale claimed by Trump and his supporters ,definitely no !
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November 6, 2016 8:37am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  So you quote a bunch of Democrats to refute the fact that the Democrats take part in vote rigging?
  
  Like this ‘academic’ Suzanne Mettler the Clinton Rossiter Professor of American Institutions
  
  /facepalm
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:59am
- Ross12
  
  Have a look at the video in this thread stephieboy. Ignore the the Guccifer bit if you like –just watch the video at the bottom of the piece.
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-04/hacker-guccifer-20-warns-he-has-info-inside-fec-democrats-may-rig-elections
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:16am
- Fletch
  
  stephie, I cannot see what is wrong with requesting I.D when someone casts a vote so that they can prove who they are. Democrats try to make out that it is racist because, for some reason, blacks might find it harder to get some sort of I.D. This is clearly bullshit.
  
  Someone did a video recently on this exact subject.
  
  He went around asking people on a white college whether they thought voter I.D laws were racist, and they all said yes, yes, because black people find it hard to get I.D. He then went to a black area and asked how many of them had an I.D and they all did and questioned as to why white people thought it would be hard for them to get one. “Why would they say that?”.
  
  Now, which group was racist?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
  
  The real reason that Democrats hate I.D laws is that it makes it harder for them to cheat.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:12am
  - mikenmild
    
    Your point sounds reasonable, except for there being no evidence that ID laws reduce voter fraud, which is largely mythical.
    When you take that into account with the methods that are also used – making it more difficult to get the ID, etc – it becomes clear that these restrictions are simply aimed to suppress voting.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:17am
    - Fletch
      
      mm, as the video states – it is not hard to get an I.D. The black people he talks to in the second half of the video all have I.D. He asks one woman, ‘is there any adult you know who doesn’t have an I.D”, and she says no. All of them say they’d have no problem showing I.D when they vote.
      
      Listen to the explanations the white college people give in the first half of the video – oh it’s too hard for black people because they might not have internet access, or might not know how to use the internet, or might not know where the DMV is. That is real racism – making out the black people are too dumb to be able to get I.D hence it is racist to have to have one to vote.
      
      I doubt there is any adult in New Zealand who doesn’t have some form of I.D – either a driving license or an 18+ card.
      
      As I said, Democrats hate voter I.D laws because it discourages people voting multiple times, and stops illegals voting.
      
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      November 6, 2016 11:30am
      - mikenmild
        
        Except, as I said, that there is no evidence of voter fraud, so no need to impose stringent ID checks, etc.
        Do you think ID should be required in NZ elections, for example, where this isn’t even an issue?
        Fortunately, some US voters are having their right to vote protected by the courts:
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-voters_us_581d0356e4b0e80b02ca2471
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:33am
      - Fletch
        
        Apart from dead people voting etc…
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/29/dead-chicago-voters-voted/
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , your video is comprehensively debunked here where Trump made the false claim that 1.8 million deceased are still registered to vote ,
        
        Trump’s bogus voter fraud claims ,
        
        “…Trump accurately quoted from the report, “Inaccurate, Costly and Inefficient: Evidence That America’s Voter Registration System Needs and Upgrade.” But the report did not allege the 1.8 million deceased people actually voted. Rather, Pew said that it is evidence of the need to upgrade voter registration systems.
        In fact, researchers say voter fraud involving ballots cast on behalf of deceased voters is rare.
        “This issue of dead people voting is just not substantiated,” said Lorraine Minnite, a professor at Rutgers University and author of “The Myth of Voter Fraud…”
        
        http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
        
        But what would expect from a birther and sealed documents conspiracies !
        
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        November 6, 2016 11:53am
      - peterwn
        
        Some states adopted overly strict laws on the type of ID required – the deliberate aim being to make it difficult for certain classes of people to vote. Same as the ‘literacy’ tests some states adopted in the 1950’s-1960’s. There were several tests – whites were given an easy test and blacks a hard test.
        
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        November 6, 2016 12:15pm
Morrissey

“Where was the haka for kids in Aleppo being bombed by the Russians?”
Josie Pagani was, yet again, embarrassingly inept on a dire edition of The Panel
RNZ National, Wednesday 2 November 2016
Jim Mora, Stephen Franks, Josie Pagani, Zara Potts

Outside of ACT Party cocktail gatherings or Sensible Sentencing klaverns, it’s rare that someone, anywhere, would be so crazed and/or so ill-informed that the S.S. “legal counsel”, Sheriff Joe Arpaio fan and former ACT MP Stephen Franks looks sane and sensible in comparison. But that’s just what poor old Josie Pagani managed to achieve on Wednesday afternoon. The always consistent Franks was up to his usual shenanigans, i.e., long-winded, sententious, swingeing attacks on any persons or institutions he disagrees with. Pagani, a useful idiot if ever there was one—Cameron Slater calls her “my punching bag”—played the role of patsy, endorsing nearly everything Franks said.

There was one area of major disagreement, however: Pagani wants to increase the level of bloodshed and mayhem in Syria, while Franks believes the United States, and its vassals and proxies, must stop supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda, AKA Al Nusra Front, AKA “the rebel groups”. It is an indictment of Josie Pagani’s naïveté, her lack of smarts, that she comes on National Radio and presents as considerably less rational and less humane than an S.S. operative and former ACT MP. But, even more, it is an indictment of the Labour Party that Pagani plays any part in its policy formulation on ANY topic.

So this edition of The Panel, more than normally, was a farrago of frabjous, footling, fatuous foolishness. Sensitive readers are warned that the following contains several instances of mad ranting, brutal lying and maddening imbecility….

Jazzy musical intro….

JIM MORA: [breezily] On the day when Auckland’s Sky Path across the Harbour Bridge gets consent from the Environment Court, we welcome two ELEVATED panelists! The lawyer and former MP Stephen Franks, and someone who COULD’VE been an MP—-

JOSIE PAGANI: [winsome snicker] He he.

JIM MORA: —-but is now instead the director of the Council for International Development, the umbrella organization that represents New Zealand NGOs like World Vision, Save the Children, Oxfam, and so on, Josie Pagani. Hullo Josie, hullo Stephen.

JOSIE PAGANI: Hul-LO!

STEPHEN FRANKS: Good afternoon.

Brief introductory pleasantries follow, then it’s down to the, er, “serious” stuff….

Read more….
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06112016/#comment-1255436
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November 6, 2016 8:41am
- VicParking
  
  Select Trump
  Press button
  Woops selected Clinton
  Cancel
  Select Trump
  Press button
  Woops selected Clinton
  Cancel
  Select Trump
  Press button
  Woops selected Clinton
  Cancel
  Fuck this I’m going for a beer
  No fraud here!
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:45am
  - Morrissey
    
    Interesting theory, VicParking. Interesting.
    
    Very interesting.
    
    http://m.memegen.com/gaqyvw.jpg
    
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    November 6, 2016 10:26am
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  Read more…
  
  Yes, I can visualise Kiwibloggers getting into their Sunday-best clothes and forming an orderly right now, before clicking on your link to The Standard. Just out of interest, have you told LPrent to expect a flood of internet refugees from Kiwiblog?
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:59am
  - Morrissey
    
    I didn’t put the whole thing on Kiwiblog, Nostradamus, because the last time I posted a magnum opus here it elicited some adverse reaction.
    
    I linked to The Standard because that’s where the entire post is; Mr Prent doesn’t mind me posting the occasional extra long piece as long as its my own composition and not simply a cut and paste.
    
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    November 6, 2016 10:24am
    - Nostradamus
      
      I see – fair enough.
      
      I’ve noticed that you often transcribe interviews from The Panel. Is this some sort of hobby? I doubt many people will find Jim Mora’s interviews with a bunch of people he’s cobbled together for a panel discussion of great interest. So why transcribe them?
      
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      November 6, 2016 10:49am
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s actually more of a vocation than a hobby. It started in earnest in late 1999, as I listened, astounded, to the abysmal ignorance and bad sportsmanship that filled the airwaves after France outclassed the All Blacks in the RWC semifinal.
        
        I scribbled a lot of transcripts down at the time, and recorded on my old BASF tapes quite a lot of the bile being spewed by the likes of Doug Golightly, Martin “Moron” Devlin and Murray Deaker. A lot of it is still “resting” on the pages of old exercise books, and occasionally I type some of it up and put it online.
        
        In the beginning, I transcribed mostly the inane, vicious, mean-spirited and ignorant conversations I monitored on Radio Sport, occasionally transcribing stuff from Larry Williams, Leighton Smith and Paul Holmes on NewstalkZB, and more substantial but equally flawed conversations from (mainly) National Radio.
        
        I also spent a lot of time transcribing some of the startling and disturbing comments by NewstalkZB hosts that followed the killing of Pihema Cameron in 2008, and the Tony Veitch attack on his partner about the same time.
        
        I got into transcribing Mora’s ridiculous vanity vehicle as early as 2005, and started posting up my rush transcripts (some of my frenemies at The Standard call them transcrapts) a few years later.
        
        So why transcribe them?
        
        Because I was determined that I would not let these conversations, many of them simply terrible and awful beyond bearing, almost, simply disappear into the ether.
        
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        November 6, 2016 1:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m not sure the kind of ignorant babble we he often hear on The Panel needs to be preserved…
        
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        November 6, 2016 1:33pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I’m not sure the kind of ignorant babble we he often hear on The Panel needs to be preserved…
        
        I sometimes wonder that myself, Mike. But I carry on, cheerfully, in the expectation that a Hollywood production is just around the corner. I want the part of me to be played by either Will Smith, Michael J. Fox or Clint Eastwood.
        
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        November 6, 2016 1:48pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Morrissey is more likely to be played by Peewee Herman.
        Or perhaps a mutilated corpse. To add personality to the script
        
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        November 6, 2016 6:56pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Morrissey is more likely to be played by Peewee Herman.
        
        Ooooh, now that was a good one. Anyway, I’m a great fan of Paul Rubens, so by all means, keep it up, my friend!
        
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        November 7, 2016 12:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  It is simply untrue that the US and its “vassals ” etc are supporting ISIS and Al Nursa etc in Syria . Certainly rebel groups like the anti-ISIS and Assad Free Syria A Army
  
  The dumb idea is the stuff of Assad,Putin and the later’s RT Propaganda They know full well the US are making Targeted airstrikes against ISIS in Syria not forgetting the US-led assault on Mosul by Kurdish , Iraq armed forces and Shia militias .
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:04pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Rubbish, Stephieboy, you know perfectly well that the United States and its vassals—the U.K., Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar—have armed and diplomatically supported the fanatics that comprise ISIS in Syria from the very beginning of the 2011 insurrection.
    
    You need to read, seriously. Here’s something to get you started…..
    http://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/17/noam_chomsky_on_syria_conflict_cut
    
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    November 6, 2016 1:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Morrissey , Chomsky and you explain the US backed assault on Mosul or is this some kind of feint or fakery ?
      
      And these airstrikes on ISIS in Syria by USAF,
      
      https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/anti-isis-airstrikes-iraq-syria-hit-2016-high/87286480/
      
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      November 6, 2016 1:49pm
Salacious Crumb

Just when you think the NZ media have jumped the shark with the Aaron Smith story, here we have Stuff going full retard on Max Key

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/85947531/alice-snedden-the-fairytale-of-max-key-the-boy-who-loved-to-act-the-idiot

The comment about filling up her word count could not have been more poignant.
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November 6, 2016 8:49am
- Nostradamus
  
  Hmmm…
  
  ALICE SNEDDEN
  Last updated 05:00, November 6 2016
  
  So an early story…
  
  Comments on this story have been closed
  Sunday Star Times
  
  … with comments closed already?
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  Alice Snedden is a stage actress, so she must have at some time ‘played the idiot’.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:18am
- Disaster Area
  
  As with a lot of these things, I suspect that had the cyclists caught up to Max Key at a traffic light and ‘debated’ with him about his choice of words, the outcome may have been slightly different.
  
  I appreciate that Max Key isn’t his father, but like it or not, he’s in the public eye. I don’t think that shouting things like this reflect on his Dad, I just think that it provides a wider audience of people who think that Max can act like a prat at times.
  
  If one of the cyclists had lamped him, would I really have any sympathy?…
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:33am
  - Morrissey
    
    I appreciate that Max Key isn’t his father
    
    Actually, he pretty much is….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTyNOxXWCM
    
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    November 6, 2016 10:21am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Ah, Jono and Ben. Two giants of the NZ comedy world.
      
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      November 6, 2016 10:27am
      - Morrissey
        
        They are, actually. And Guy Williams is about the smartest and most trenchant political commentator in the country.
        
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        November 6, 2016 12:54pm
- Gabby
  
  What’s Maxipad done now?
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:59am
  - Morrissey
    
    He bawled an unfunny sexist comment at a vulnerable person. The sort of thing his old man would do, obviously.
    
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    November 6, 2016 2:07pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    hahaha – maxipad – hahahaha *downtick*
    
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    November 7, 2016 4:48am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Anyone heard about a new drama ?
      Downtick Gabby
      Oh hell yeah – that just happened.
      
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      November 7, 2016 4:51am
Southern Raider

And this is why there is “poverty” in NZ and no taxpayer money for health care and education

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11741918

Nia Glassie abuser has just had her four child removed by CYPS. All her children have been removed at birth. Anyone think she will stop at four?

Surely if there is ever a case for sterilisation this is a good place to start.
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November 6, 2016 8:52am
- Nostradamus
  
  Southern Raider:
  
  This part of the article you linked to caught my eye:
  
  Kemp has not kept out of trouble since her release from prison.
  
  In January she was convicted and discharged at the Manukau District Court for driving while forbidden.
  
  She was also convicted and sentenced to 40 hours’ community work for stealing a sweatshirt and a pair of boots from Hallensteins.
  
  A model citizen – not!
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:14am
Reid

Erik Prince explains how NYPD forced FBI to re-open probe.

The Blackwater founder.

http://www.rense.com/general96/erikFBIprobe.htm#sthash.e3uJLD4z.dpuf
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November 6, 2016 9:18am
big bruv

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
9.51 into the game and the NZ team are already assured of the win due to corrupt refereeing. First NZ try was a blatant knock on, then one of the NZ thugs only received a yellow card when the rules say it should have been a red card. Even when the Irish scored an obvious try the match officials tried very hard to find a way of not awarding it.
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November 6, 2016 9:19am
- mikenmild
  
  Lighten up, FFS.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:24am
- holysheet
  
  Once again you were talking out your arse. Ireland did win and well deserved .
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:05am
- mikenmild
  
  And the final result seems to disprove your theory.
  
  But you’ll be off for a shower and change of underpants after ejaculating at full time.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:07am
- Morrissey
  
  Is that you, Murray Deaker?
  
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  November 6, 2016 1:49pm
Southern Raider

Just quickly saw an article on TVNZ about the US elections with NZ journalist of course in a Democrat organising office for one state

Two things that I thought were just weird
– life size cut out of Clinton with Obama standing behind her left shoulder as if he is running for Vice President
– talking about all the tactics to get voters in including each volunteer doing mass text outs to all registered voters. They have an app that can send out 100 texts at a time and then they start discussions with whoever responds
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November 6, 2016 9:23am
- Gabby
  
  Seems like a lot of hassle ‘when’ they’re just going to fix the votes anyway.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:02am
Reid

Two-Headed Sharks Keep Popping Up—No One Knows Why

(Nobody’s heard of Fukushima.)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/11/sharks-two-headed-oceans-mutations/
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November 6, 2016 9:25am
peterwn

Acquaintance of mine and his friend were mugged in small hours of Saturday morning and had wallets and passports taken under threats. They waved down a taxi to call the police. There were about five offenders. They contacted banks quickly but not before my acquaintance’s card was pay-waved a couple of times at convenience stores. Hope the stores have cameras. They had passports for pub ID – moral here – get HANZ cards and leave passports at home. It is sickening. Hope police get them and they get a ‘strike’ warning (this is a ‘strike’ crime). However if it is a second ‘strike’ warning it will be all over the media and do-gooders claiming that future ‘third strike’ consequences are not fair and it was due to ‘poverty’ etc etc.
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November 6, 2016 9:28am
- Reid
  
  Is this strikable peter?
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:31am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes it is. It was aggravated robbery s235 Crimes Act as there was violence or threat of violence and more than one person was involved (or other criteria met). ‘Ordinary’ robbery (s234) is also a ‘strike’ crime, difference being no aggravating circumstances such as two people involved, etc.
    Remember all the fuss when Judge Tony Adeane read the ‘second strike’ to a couple of guys for robbing someone of a skateboard and phone. All the hand-wringing – they ONLY took a phone and skateboard but the hand wringers did not accept they had ‘stood over’ their victim – it was a s235 clear as day – if they do aggravated robbery again it is the full 14 years in the slammer – that is that.
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Did this happen in Goffam City?
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:47am
  - Flash
    
    Goffam City.
    Has a certain ring to it.
    A keeper I think.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:14am
    - Inandout
      
      I have copyrighted it.
      
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      November 6, 2016 11:42am
SPC

Hansen learning a lesson about team selection.

Mark Ella criticised Cheika for playing Pocock at blindside flanker – play people in their position. He picked Kaino at lock, and paired with a rookie Tuipolotu (no jumper), Ireland dominate pack wise. Read and Kaino are fine as extra jumpers but as a pair of front-line jumpers against specialist locks?

And no midfield with Moala in it looks classy moving the ball. And the loss of Crotty will not help. Cruden is still under-done for recent time in the field and behind a struggling pack.

I’ll call it it now, no come back.

Ireland may well increase their lead and win by 20.
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November 6, 2016 10:08am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yep. Fair play to Ireland too. Playing well and deservedly leading.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:11am
  - SPC
    
    A test pack vs pretenders and much better ball movement as well.
    
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    November 6, 2016 10:16am
- SPC
  
  Well Cruden will be happy not to have come on to join in that one.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:06am
  - mikenmild
    
    Except that he did…
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:08am
    - SPC
      
      Na, not really in that he was an injury replacement for a mid-fielder and not for Barrett.
      
      Not a day to be pivot when the forwards are not winning much ball or going forward enough to ease off their defensive line speed.
      
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      November 6, 2016 11:43am
- virtualmark
  
  All Blacks looked like they spent the week in Chicago as tourists. I saw lots of stories on the TV this week about ABs at the NBA game, at the Cubs parade etc etc. Seemed a bit of a holiday week, and Ireland are too good for that.
  
  Big ups for Schmidt though. Why oh why do we seem to have Foster as heir apparent for AB coach?
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:11am
Reid

A summary of what multiple reports have repeatedly said is in the laptops. Evidence of:

pedophilia – Hillary took at least 6 and Bill at least 22 trips to Epstein’s island. Hillary is known to have a prediliction for young girls. Apparently Anonymous has a video of Bill raping a 12 yo. Sidenote: Look into Epstein. You will find he has only had one backer, a billionaire, who funded him into his investment company and is its only client. Epstein’s places were wired for CCTV. He was likely running a honeypot op for guess who: Mossad. One of the reasons Israel is so successful in its lobbying.

Killary had SAP (Special Access Programs) on her server. These are amongst the most highly classified tightly guarded secrets in the US. Accessing SAP data requires physically visiting a secured facility. They are never put on the web. Obviously they are supposed to remain on site. The guess based on revelations so far is she was selling them to nation states for money. They contain things like agents names.

Pay to play. Multiple examples of donations to Clinton Foundation yielding appointments to various bodies under Clinton’s grace and favour. One interesting example amongst many is where she appointed someone completely unqualified to a nuclear oversight commission which resulted not just in a complaint from the committee about her appointee’s lack of relevant skill but that uranium deal to Russia.

Donations from isis funders. Multiple donations from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Admission of isis funders/suppliers. Email that states ISIS is funded and supplied by Qatar and Saudi Arabia and subsequent arrangement of large US arms shipments to said nations.

Careless use of classified material. This is a crime which doesn’t require intent which interestingly is the basis Comey used to let her go in July.

$1.8b to Qatar which has no extradiction treaty. Unsubstantiated report I’ve read which states the Foundation made that transfer about 3 weeks ago now. Makes sense. She’s going to prison. It’s either a fake death, a pardon which ain’t going to happen, a real death, an escape to Qatar or prison.

Anyway, hope that helps. And again, the media missed all of this, for decades. Or did they.
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November 6, 2016 10:10am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , could you source your claims about Hillary’s six visits to Slave Island ?
  
  A reminder that Trump’s associations with Pedophile Jeffery Epstein are legion and well known ,
  
  http://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-things-you-need-know-about-trump-and-sex-slave-amanda-prestigiacomo
  
  And of course, the US actually funded and supplied ISIS with the actual contents of the alleged email and the rest of your Clinton Foundation drivel.!
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:13pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You are such a liar. Trump has no association with Epstein.
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,
      
      from my link,
      
      !. Trump himself has said that Epstein is “a lot of fun to be with,” adding that he admired the sex offender’s affinity for beautiful women “on the younger side.”
      
      “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump once said about the convicted sex offender. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
      
      2. Trump was named in Epstein’s “little black book.”
      
      Epstein’s “little black book” was stolen by a former employee in 2004. The book, nicknamed “The Holy Grail” by the employee, revealed the name of Donald Trump and listed “14 phone numbers including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump’s security guard and houseman.”
      
      etc, etc , etc
      
      And Trump has very carefully not raised issues about Bill Clinton’s associations with Epstein during the campaign
      
      Here’s why ,
      
      https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton
      
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      November 6, 2016 12:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your own link shows his Lawyers stating they had no association.
        ‘Trump’s attorney Alan Garten told VICE News last week that the presidential candidate had “no relationship” with Epstein, and only knew him because Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago, Trump’s private club and residence in Palm Beach.’
        They met at a Resort once. Wow. Also the quote he said is unsubstantiated. There is no evidence they were friends and hung out together.
        Yet Bill Clinton travelled 26 times on his jet and there are rumours that Epstein has video of Clinton having sex with minors..
        Oh and another liar against Trump has backed down.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3894806/Woman-alleged-raped-Donald-Trump-13-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-party-DROPS-case-casting-doubt-truth-claims.html
        
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        November 6, 2016 12:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , Trump could have made a meal out of Bill Clinton’s alleged associations with Pedophile Epstein.
        
        He chose not to . Why ?
        
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        November 6, 2016 3:34pm
  - Reid
    
    could you source your claims about Hillary’s six visits to Slave Island ?
    
    Certainly stephie. It’s called google.
    
    And of course, the US actually funded and supplied ISIS with the actual contents of the alleged email and the rest of your Clinton Foundation drivel.!
    
    I’m just citing what the emails actually say stephie. Sorry if the words from the guilty parties themselves doesn’t satisfy you but there we are. And again, it’s called google. You probably forgot what it was called by the time you got down to here, didn’t you.
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , there you go.If you can’t answer a question then resort to the lame duck cop put ,” google ” !
      
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      November 6, 2016 3:37pm
Viking2

The latest money grab from the IRD.There is no end to their rapacious grasping.
All with the apparent complicity of your favourite National Party Govt.

Inland Revenue looking to claw back tax on nearly 500,000 Kiwis’ electricity rebate

The taxman is eyeing up a big chuck of an annual rebate paid to electricity consumers.

Each year almost half a million customers – a quarter of all power consumers – receive a rebate, effectively meaning they don’t have to pay one of their power bills.

However that rebate is under threat with a top secret Inland Revenue memo revealing the department is considering taxing it at 28 per cent.

“It is the Commissioner’s initial revised view that lines companies’ payments of discounts to electricity consumers are not dductible expenses,” says the 27-page issues paper, marked “classified in confidence”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/86036771/inland-revenue-looking-to-claw-back-tax-on-nearly-500000-kiwis-electricity-rebate

I think we would all be more impressed if they managed to claw back tax money from charities and oversea’s companies. Then there would be no need for this pathetic attempt to recover a small amopunt of money. One big one would yield move tax than this.

The downstream logic of this is that if you happen to give a discount to a regular customer then they will want to tax that.
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November 6, 2016 10:29am
- Inandout
  
  Taxing Ngai Tahu Trusts would be a good money earner for IRD; then Sanitarium. How these two get away tax free is a scandal.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:57am
  - Flash
    
    The only difference between NZ and the US is the difference in scale.
    It’s taken a long life-time, but I think I have reached peak disillusionment.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:40am
- Reid
  
  A spokesman for the department said it would not “discuss the affairs of a taxpayer, or in this case, a small group of taxpayers, which we can’t do under the secrecy provisions of the Tax Administration Act”.
  
  I think the Minister of Revenue needs to clarify the position here. If the tax dept can’t discuss the levying of tax onto hundreds of thousands of people on the grounds the power companies’ tax privacy will be violated, a wurzenflugel’s become discombobbulated and needs urgent maintenance.
  
  And it’s all over this:
  
  Customers pay a line charge as part of their power bill, with some lines company offering a rebate if they collected more than what they needed.
  
  That’s what they’re talking about, so it’s a refund of an overcharge, not a dividend, which is how they are interpreting it.
  
  “It is the Commissioner’s initial revised view that lines companies’ payments of discounts to electricity consumers are not dductible expenses,” says the 27-page issues paper…
  
  The Commissioner’s view seems prima facie wrong. How can a marketing strategy involving product pricing become a profit distribution strategy which is what they’re arguing. The recipients of the “dividend” are not even shareholders, they’re customers. Perhaps that quite escaped the Commissioner in his due consideration…
  
  Good spotting V2.
  
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  November 6, 2016 10:59am
  - Reid
    
    Imagine all the blathering at the SLT meeting where they discussed the draft, as the Commissioner’s direct reports all blathered their enthusiasm for this wonderful new idea. Well done Nigel, they brayed to the Policy Director, or “Brains” as they affectionally called him…
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:32am
  - peterwn
    
    The Commissioner is right here – the ‘rebate’ money is effectively a dividend to the consumer trust that owns (or part owns) the power company and dividends are paid from after-tax profits. Rebates such as ‘prompt payment discounts’ are a different matter since there is a sound commercial reason for them – prompt paying customers are cheaper to manage.
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:40pm
    - Reid
      
      But that’s not the dividend they’re talking about. This is a lines company’s rebate the power company passes on to its retail customers not its shareholders. That’s a marketing policy decision for customer retention and the rebate isn’t a dividend it’s a refund of an overcharge. If they are just paying it to shareholders the article didn’t say that but if they are then you’re right it is a dividend.
      
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      November 6, 2016 1:05pm
      - peterwn
        
        The lines company does not give a direct rebate to the consumers, even though it may well process the rebate on behalf of the shareholding trust. The trust is under no obligation to pass the rebate to consumers, it could apply it for general civic purposes. For example ACET should be applying its dividends to the Auckland rail system and Auckland should not be receiving any taxpayers’ money until this is done.
        
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        November 6, 2016 3:09pm
  - Viking2
    
    Perhaps that quite escaped the Commissioner in his due consideration…
    
    Her I think you will find.
    
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    November 6, 2016 1:53pm
- Gabby
  
  Ponyboy wants people to stfu about this tax haven malarkey.
  
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  November 6, 2016 1:14pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Thanks for watching another exciting episode of Downtick Gabby . . .
    
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    November 7, 2016 4:59am
Reid

This is quite interesting, it shows cyber-attacks in real time on a world map.

http://map.norsecorp.com/#/
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November 6, 2016 10:38am
- Komata
  
  Reid
  
  Now THAT is remarkable (if too darn fast to really be able to track individual attacks). Thank you; definitely a resource to keep for ‘future reference’.
  
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  November 6, 2016 8:48pm
Salacious Crumb

Well done Ireland. Great victory and thoroughly deserved. Next week will be epic.
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November 6, 2016 11:04am
- mikenmild
  
  In two weeks, actually. Italy next week.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:10am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I stand corrected MM… The Irish have certainly given world rugby a boost. I hope they can back it up in a fortnight.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:38am
waikatogirl

Congrats to the Irish, determined to outplay the AB’s.

To be sure, to be sure! ? ? ?
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November 6, 2016 11:05am
big bruv

Outstanding display by the Irish, that is how you overcome the odds of a biased ref.
Now we witness the sullen and sulky attitude of the NZ players.
Oh, and to the NZ team fans…… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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November 6, 2016 11:09am
- mikenmild
  
  You will have to point to the sullen and sulky comments so far. Oh wait, there are none…
  
  Most NZ fans will be happy for Ireland, and looking forward to a great rematch in Dublin in a fortnight.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:11am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Classy as always BB.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:36am
- calendar girl
  
  Most real fans will be happy for Ireland, but also disappointed with what seemed to be an ill-prepared and tactically-naive All Black performance.
  
  The ‘biased ref’ comment is uncalled-for, and a slur on a person you wouldn’t don’t know from Adam.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:44am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Well said CG. I would add “and rules you don’t know from…”.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:46am
- Pateke
  
  You are a sick puppy bb
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:53am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Nah – he’s just a cnut.
    
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    November 6, 2016 7:48pm
- SPC
  
  Classless whether the team playing the AB’s win or lose. But as a mirror image of what you condemn in the AB fan, impressive parody of yourself.
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:07pm
- Longknives
  
  I didn’t see the game but according to the All Black fans on Facebook either the Referee cost them the game “That C##t will never referee again!” etc
  Or alternately it was “Just an exhibition match and doesn’t even count”..
  One-Eyed All Black fans are a disgrace.
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:09pm
  - Longknives
    
    And wait for Steve Hansen to attack the Referee…You just know it’s coming!
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:11pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Hansen should never, ever have the audacity to complain about his team being unfairly treated by referees. Was he perhaps asleep as this fiasco unfolded in October 2011?….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U
      
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      November 6, 2016 12:58pm
      - Longknives
        
        Morrissey- Excellent Post. That was the absolute Worst/Dodgiest Refereeing Performance I’ve seen in thirty years yet never a whisper from the NZ Media about it..
        
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        November 6, 2016 1:31pm
  - Manolo
    
    How many Guinnesses did you drink, mate? 🙂
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:12pm
  - SPC
    
    Can you refer to the Facebook page or are you just making stuff up?
    
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    November 6, 2016 12:15pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Interestingly enough, all those comments sound like they have been invented by the likes of big bruv and longknives…
      calendar girl has it in right spirit.
      I’d be amazed if Steve Hansen said anything other than that his team was outplayed by a much more committed team on the day and that they have a couple of tough questions to answer.
      
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      November 6, 2016 12:24pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Actually milky, you’ve pretty well summed up what he did say. We should just leave bb and longknives to continue filling the void in their lives whilst everyone else here reflects on how well the paddies played and jolly good on them for breaking their drought.
        
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        November 6, 2016 12:53pm
Fletch

Reposting link from above – voter I.D laws and how white voters have been brainwashed to view black voters – that they are too dumb to be able to get an I.D, hence voter I.D laws are racist. Guess who the real racists are?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
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November 6, 2016 11:16am
Zed

Here’s what your MSM forgot to report on lately

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/2016/1104/The-story-behind-a-massive-Muslim-protest-against-a-Christian-governor
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November 6, 2016 11:19am
- mikenmild
  
  In what world is the Christian Science Monitor not part of the mainstream media?
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:26am
  - Reid
    
    I’ll remember that next time you criticise something I quote from it mm.
    
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    November 6, 2016 11:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Zed , ha, ha ! The Christian Science Monitor is very much MSM.
  
  However the massive protest also comprehensively covered by other MSM such as the New York Times,
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/world/asia/jakarta-protest-blasphemy-ahok-indonesia.html
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:34pm
  - Zed
    
    Both you and your sidekick ignored the article itself and went on blabbing about CSM being MSM. Diversion when want to avoid a subject?
    
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    November 6, 2016 2:39pm
    - mikenmild
      
      But your whole fucking point was that this story was being ignored by the ‘mainstream’ media, when it wasn’t….
      
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      November 6, 2016 2:56pm
- Komata
  
  Zed:
  
  As you say, ignored by the MSM. Fortunately there are other sources. Evidently the Police took a rather hard line, and FWIW, the casualty list, last I heard (four hours ago) was one dead, 100 injured.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:08pm
Manolo

Congratulations to Ireland. They deserved to win today. No excuses.
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November 6, 2016 11:35am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Yes Ireland thoroughly deserved their win. Putting curses being broken aside, there are questions over the wisdom of not playing specialist locks, or indeed anyone out of positions they are unaccustomed to. I may have read it wrong, Ireland’s defence was storming and on fire – so why not kick over the top, keep turning them round and also go back to kicking for the corners.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:45am
Manolo

A lamentable performance by the anti-American president. Judge for yourselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkVLcZuCA4
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November 6, 2016 11:37am
Reid

Russia expects Washington to provide an explanation after a report claimed that Pentagon cyber-offensive specialists have hacked into Russia’s power grids, telecommunications networks, and the Kremlin’s command systems for a possible sabotage.

“If no official reaction from the American administration follows, it would mean state cyberterrorism exists in the US. If the threats of the attack, which were published by the US media, are carried out, Moscow would be justified in charging Washington,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said, according to the ministry’s website.

https://www.rt.com/news/365423-russia-us-hacker-grid/
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November 6, 2016 11:44am
- SPC
  
  Why would Russia be concerned, the Americans clearly signalled it would only act if the Kremlin’s pet hackers tried to interfere in the US election?
  
  If they had no intention of doing so …
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:12pm
  - Reid
    
    I read an earlier report that Obama and Clinton supporters were behind it. Perhaps they want to provoke a war to get them out of the present troubles. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but then neocon thinking patterns never have any sense at all to me either. See this exposure with Clinton puts the entire Bush dynasty in major jeopardy of being exposed because it’s not just the Clinton crimw family it’s the Bush-Clinton crime family.And if you think the Clintons are bad you ain’t seen nothing yet. So with that being the case and given the entire network is run by psychopaths, is a provocation of this nature completely out of the question.
    
    Russia won’t bite of course, the idiot neocons naturally think they will but they won’t.
    
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    November 6, 2016 2:12pm
Manolo

Will our own stephieboy make a cameo appearance?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/05/hillary-clinton-celebrity-support-election-2016

Clinton turned to an army of her own celebrities to underline the risk that poor turnout, especially among young voters and African Americans, could easily usher in the election of a demagogue whose threat to US constitutional values is viewed as unprecedented in modern political history.

In Trump-leaning Ohio on Sunday, she was due to appear with the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball legend LeBron James, following a concert there on Friday with Jay Z and Beyoncé. The Democrats have already fielded Stevie Wonder in Philadelphia and Jennifer Lopez in Miami.
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November 6, 2016 11:44am
- Inandout
  
  Kevin Spacey’s ‘House of Cards’ series is eerily prophetic.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:47am
- Reid
  
  It’s amazing anyone at all still support her. Fuck some people are dumb.
  
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  November 6, 2016 11:52am
Liberty

Firework hits boy’s eye, house burns, 402 people call the fire service on Guy Fawkes’ night

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86141861/Three-calls-a-minute-to-firefighters-on-Guy-Fawkes-night

Mean while we must all suffer a draconian law that we must wear a bike helmet because some kid fell of his bike.
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November 6, 2016 11:47am
- Fletch
  
  I was kinda expecting it. They always have a “boy gets eye knocked out” cover story every year followed by the cry to ban.
  
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  November 6, 2016 12:04pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Followed by a dog / cat / horse on tranquilisers, story. Quietest November 5th I have seen in more than a decade although I am sure the numb nuts have stored enough fireworks away to screw over the evenings in the garden until Christmas.
    
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    November 6, 2016 2:17pm
Ross12

A journalist thinks he can trip up the “buffoon , clown ” or whatever the lasest slur is for Donald Trump. Well he got smashed !!!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/donald-trump-i-understand-the-chinese-mind.html
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November 6, 2016 1:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Roos12 , the reading list belies Trump chicanery . He should, therefore, try and demonstrate his knowledge of these books instead of his usual idiocy !
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:39pm
  - Ross12
    
    You mean, unlike you, he knows how to answer a question directly.
    
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    November 6, 2016 6:26pm
Viking2

Gareth Morgan’s new political party already has more than 750 paid members – with the entrepreneur saying he has been blown away by the response.

Morgan launched the Opportunities Party (Top) on Friday, saying problems like inequality and housing affordability could be solved but not by “establishment” politicians.

He plans to gauge public reaction to his campaign before registering the party next year.

Political parties need 500 financial members to register, and that mark was surpassed by Top within 24 hours of launching.

“I’ve been really overwhelmed by the response,” Morgan wrote in a blog post today.

“I thought would take us months to get those kinds of numbers, particularly given I haven’t released any policy yet!”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11743166

wow.
Hope it grows like crazy.
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November 6, 2016 2:04pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Personally I am more interested in his policies around pussies.
  Is he planning on banning pussy in New Zealand or is he only going to allow pussy with restrictions such as it must be home in bed by 8pm.
  This issue could be the defining one for his new party?
  
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  November 6, 2016 2:22pm
  - wiseowl
    
    There must be a lead on pussy policy in the treaty.
    
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    November 6, 2016 2:39pm
    - Viking2
      
      No sorry you cannot make a Pussy Claim under the TOW.
      As you know via modern day fables the brown pussy was exalted on high and is protected by tapu and taniwha.
      Sacred site so to speak.
      Was here before you colonial upstarts.
      Can be traded for the odd axe or musket. Prefer rifles of course.
      Been known to eat men alive.
      
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      November 6, 2016 2:52pm
      - wiseowl
        
        bugger.
        I liked Stars idea of having pussy in bed by 8pm.
        Thought he had a handle on it.
        
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        November 6, 2016 3:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  There is clearly no shortage of deluded fools in this country.
  Let’s see who he puts up as list candidates.
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:37pm
Manolo

The cost of Clinton:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-amnesty-tax-15000-per-household-1.2-trillion/article/2606575

Amnesty for illegal immigrants like a program proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton would require an immediate tax hike of $1.2 trillion, a $15,000 hit on every household in America, according to a new analysis of immigration reform.
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November 6, 2016 2:05pm
- mikenmild
  
  ‘A Heritage Foundation analysis’…snigger.
  
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  November 6, 2016 2:09pm
Manolo

Not too much time left:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/05/trump_gives_gop_weekly_address_its_time_to_close_the_history_books_on_the_clintons.html
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November 6, 2016 2:27pm
AgentBallSack

The only way they can stop him now…

There were signs of a struggle in the crowd as three agents led Trump away, shielding his body, but once a suspect was led away Trump resumed his speech.

The candidate appeared unrattled by the scuffle, and spoke with his usual self-confidence as his speech continued.

A CNN reporter at the venue cited unnamed local law enforcement sources as saying there had been a report of a gun in the crowd and a suspect in custody.

“We will never be stopped,” Trump said.
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November 6, 2016 3:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Yeah never be stopped with this trail of appalling hate and thuggery by Trump supporters coast to coast ,
  
  http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-supporters-hate-map-tracing-acts-harrassment-and-violence-rallies-coast-coast
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:29pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Sorry stephie I don’t click on your shit links.
    Perhaps you could link me to a reliable, unbiased news source like maybe HuffPo or CNN?
    
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    November 6, 2016 3:38pm
- jonar
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/trump-protester-i-was-beaten-for-holding-a-republicans-against-trump-sign
  
  Trump’s followers are so taken in by his conspiracy theories they’re beating up innocent republican protesters – free speech will be dead in a US led by Trump?
  
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  November 6, 2016 7:17pm
Manolo

Another fine example of Islamic multiculturalism:
An Irishman, once arrested for making death threats against US president Barack Obama, has died after carrying out an Islamic State suicide bombing in Iraq, according to the jihadist group.
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November 6, 2016 3:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Is it the death threats aginst the President that bothers you or more the failed suicide bombing ?
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:22pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    3 more days….3 more days
    Then I will happily take the ban
    C U Next Tuesday !
    
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    November 6, 2016 3:32pm
Nostradamus

This is shaping up to be an epic week on Kiwiblog.

The big question: will the US election results thread break the all-time Kiwiblog record (a Bain thread of about 3.200 comments from memory)?

There seem to be 3 groups of Kiwibloggers:

– Clintonistas (represented by Stephieboy and Scott Chris)
– Trumpkins (represented by Deadrightkev and Scott)
– the “neither” camp (taking nominations for representatives – perhaps Mikenmild and Reid?).

Tom Hunter: If you’re around and reading this, perhaps you could organise bets for those Kiwibloggers who’re convinced that there’s easy money to be made on the US election outcome?
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November 6, 2016 3:05pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  On Wednesday I’ll set my popcorn maker settings to “stun” and get ready to enjoy the entertaining outcome of the US election.
  I don’t know what the outcome will be, but it will be entertaining, that’s for certain.
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:11pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Hilarious – and I really really do own a popcorn maker – it’s like a damned hairdryer. It is shit – makes a small amount at a time before cutting out from overheating.
    And I hardly ever use it.
    And it’s air-popped – you know – ‘healthy’. Yeah, right. No oil. Like a supermodel no teacher costume – wrong, wrong, wrong.
    
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    November 7, 2016 5:15am
- wiseowl
  
  Nostrodamus.
  Surely you have the answer?
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:17pm
- mikenmild
  
  So the Chicago Cubs break their long-standing curse this week. Now the All Blacks lose to Ireland for the first time ever. Are the planets aligning for another historic event?
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:18pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Cubs won, Ireland won. Hmmmm is Trump an outsider mikey?
    I for one, welcome our new independent President
    
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    November 6, 2016 3:28pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …and Bangladesh beat England in a cricket test.
    
    Bet the West Coast wished they had a Ranfurly Shield challenge this season! Great win, Ireland, btw
    
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    November 6, 2016 3:30pm
  - SPC
    
    Sure.
    
    President Kaine.
    
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    November 6, 2016 3:55pm
- SPC
  
  Should be like the Melbourne Cup race, two in it down the straight, either a win by a short digit or a sneaky breast implant.
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:45pm
- Reid
  
  There’s no question it’s Trump by a landslide. The results not in question, it’s what happens next and who is this guy and he’s bad news, but not because he’s incompetent as some hallucinate.
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:15pm
  - jonar
    
    Do you actually know what a “landslide” is?
    
    Here’s the 538 chance of a Trump landslide.
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
    
    Trump landslide double-digit popular vote margin 0.4%
    
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    November 6, 2016 7:23pm
- tom hunter
  
  Ha!!!
  Not a chance. I’ll be having enough difficulties arranging payment to Fentex (I bet $100 that the GOP nominee – no matter who it was – would win).
  
  Beside that, I’m still floating because…
  … THE CUBS ARE THE 2016 WORLD SERIES WINNERS.
  
  … and I do not want to descend into the muck!
  
  And after another disruptive Sunday I’ve only just finished watching Ireland break a 111 year old “curse” (though I never heard of such). What a fantastic result for them. They really got stuck into the AB’s from start to finish and deserved the win. It may sound strange for an AB backer to say this but I began to get a bit nervous for the Irish about midway through the 2nd half as the AB’s charged back to within 4 points. I could not believe that Ireland would blow it again after the 2013 heartbreaker. Surely they would not let it get away from them this time – and they did not.
  
  The AB’s played well at times (4 tries is nothing to sneeze at), but the Irish played better most of the time, on both attack and defence, but especially the latter.
  
  S0….. In the space of one week, the great city of Chi-Town has seen at the centre of the breaking of two great sporting droughts. Amazing.
  
  Is this the apocalypse?
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:22pm
- tom hunter
  
  And looking further up-thread: what the fuck is wrong with Big Bruv? Is this a result of listening to moronic All Black fans on Twitter or Facebook or Sports Talk? Why in the name of god would you allow yourself to get riled up by people like that.
  
  Get.
  A.
  Grip.
  
  Still floating though, still floating… Golden armour against hurtful or depressing things…
  
  Which brings me back to the election and the question some are asking: do the Cubs and Irish victories presage a Trump triumph?
  
  Well of course the argument is that these are omens of victory against the odds.
  
  The trouble with that is that the Cubs had been the overwhelming favourites to win the WS since Spring Training! They remained so through 103 wins, and the post-season. And the reason was they had strengths in virtually every area. It was the Indians that more closely resemble Trump: obvious weaknesses papered over pretty well, but ultimately ripping apart. They too got close – but no cigar, and for precisely the reasons of comparative strengths and the depth of them; the Cubs had such, the Indians did not.
  
  Same with Hillary vs Trump.
  
  As for the Irish rugby team? They did what almost all winning teams do: covered their weaknesses, exploited their strengths and executed the game plan to perfection.
  
  Does anybody – aside from slobbering worshippers like deadrightkev and thicko, Simon – want to argue that Trump has done the same?
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:34pm
Viking2

Steve Hansen: “The right side won”

READ: http://bit.ly/2fsZdUl

#NZLvIRE #TeamAllBlacks #VistaTour

http://www.allblacks.com/News/30080/the-right-side-won-hansen
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November 6, 2016 3:10pm
- Viking2
  
  Someone dropped 100K on the All Blacks.
  Probably BB. by the sour look on his face. 😆
  
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  November 6, 2016 3:24pm
Viking2

http://www.top.org.nz/

All the news.
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November 6, 2016 3:24pm
Viking2

A young couple were married, and celebrated their first night together, doing what newlyweds do, time and time again, all night long. Morning comes and the groom goes into the bathroom but finds no towel when he emerges from the shower.
He asks the bride to please bring one from the bedroom.
When she gets to the bathroom door, he opened the door, exposing his body for the first time to his bride where she sees all of him well. Her eyes went up and down and at about midway, they stopped and stared, and she asked shyly, “What’s that?”, pointing to a small part of his anatomy.
He, also being shy, thought for a minute and then said, “Well, that’s what we had so much fun with last night.”
She, in amazement, asked, “Is that all we have left?”
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November 6, 2016 3:32pm
Stars And Stripes

Māori couple create first Te Reo speaking dolls
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201822437/maori-couple-create-first-te-reo-speaking-dolls

Something for you MM to buy as Xmas presents instead of trolling the clearance bins at The Warehouse.
Might cost a bit more but definitely PC.
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November 6, 2016 3:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Pre-order cost $69.99
  http://www.pipima.co.nz/shop/product/165415/PIPI/
  Can’t tell if there is a delivery charge on top of this price.
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:18pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Free pickup from your local marae?
    
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    November 6, 2016 4:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  $70 for a doll sounds a bit steep. How much for one that doesn’t talk at all, in any language?
  
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  November 6, 2016 4:23pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Go and see WINZ MM and plead your case as they may do vouchers or something for these now.
    Tell them it’s for Xmas and I’m sure they will show compassion.
    
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    November 6, 2016 4:28pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Well, if they wouldn’t buy you one, why would they help me?
      
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      November 6, 2016 4:34pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Oh you know MM, spin them the poor old public servant has had a rough time under National line and they will be eating out of your hand.
        
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        November 6, 2016 4:37pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I don’t know any poor public servants.
        
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        November 6, 2016 4:39pm
    - VicParking
      
      WINZ will allow you to sign up the doll as a dependent.
      Labour will pay them the living wage to do charitable work if you lend them to a pensioner next door.
      So long as you dont feed them any meat the greens will allow you to claim the cost as a carbon credit.
      
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      November 6, 2016 5:20pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Samples of Te Reo speaking doll patter (translated)
  ‘Hey cuz – get me the fark out of this clothes dryer’
  ‘It’s the cops – run.’
  ‘Hey mate – I don’t care, it’s not my problem’.
  ‘Think you own this country honkey?’
  ‘Got a smoke I can borrow?’
  
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  November 7, 2016 5:29am
BeeSting

See if you can figure this one out

OBAMA OSAMA

what letters change?

B&S because as we all know now

OBAMA is BS
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November 6, 2016 5:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Whose “we” ?
  
  Another who believes that Osama like Elvis is still alive ?
  
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  November 6, 2016 5:43pm
Reid

Bill Clinton on Epstein’s plane.

https://i.redd.it/sni0db61vqvx.png
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November 6, 2016 5:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , those who know Epstein very well including Trump’s friendship that goes back more than 15 years ,
  
  https://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/embed-hilton-prince-andrew.jpg
  
  As I remarked before Trump so far has kept tight lipped about Bill’s relationship with the ped .
  
  Wonder why ?
  
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  November 6, 2016 5:49pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    oh bullshit, you are still lying about Epstein and Trump.
    
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    November 6, 2016 8:40pm
Reid

”Until this month, WikiLeaks and Anonymous have worked together building an efficient, detailed, comprehensive set of documents that would be responsible for the incarceration of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and 21 individuals ranging from the DNC, FBI, CIA, and Clinton Foundation.

”These documents will show without a doubt, the evidence of treason, obstruction of justice, election fraud manipulation, and bribery.

“This was intended to be the October surprise. But before the release of these documents, we were contacted by a member of the FBI, as well as another from the CIA, and a week later by the NYPD. All with information pertaining to something much darker than even we imagine. Due to the nature of these leaks, we all work together as efficiently as possible to ensure two objectives: 1. That all necessary information would be given to the public in an organized, searchable, manageable way. 2. Those who provided us with this information would be able to find safety before these releases were made (this concern wasn’t without warrant).

The new leaks being released this week will provide documents in the form of emails pictures and videos. Within these will be evidence of Bill Clinton, as well as, at least, six other government officials, taking part in sexual acts with minors. As well as evidence of human trafficking that also included minors. We believe these pictures and videos were taken for the purpose of political manipulation in order to make sure all participants followed through on a previously agreed agenda.

These documents were given to us by an American government official when he had come to learn that this crime had been covered up by Hillary and her staff through methods including bribery and blackmail. He also told us that due to the restricted access of these documents they would soon know he was the one who released them to us. We were trying to make arrangements for him to exit the country safely, but he was killed before those arrangements could be carried out…

http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-4chan-cover-up-happening-now-remember-remember-the-5th-of-november-warning/
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November 6, 2016 5:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  But wait, even more explosive news:
  http://investmentwatchblog.com/so-obvious-obama-regime-planning-massive-false-flag-terror-attacks-on-monday-to-halt-a-trump-victory-and-save-democrats-from-being-indicted/
  
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  November 6, 2016 5:56pm
BeeSting

Stephie

Can you recite Agenda 21
from start to finish?
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November 6, 2016 5:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  This is what know ,
  
  “Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1] It is a product of the Earth Summit (UN Conference on Environment and Development) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. ..”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
  
  Great for NWO Alex Jones paranoid conspiracy types which I take includes you ?
  
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  November 6, 2016 6:10pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    murdering rapist terrorists
    
    http://www.murderingrapistterrorists.com
    
    I take it this includes you?
    
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    November 6, 2016 6:29pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS, you’re link is dead rather like your grey matter,
      
      http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/oc-comic-makers/What+happens+before+you+take+a+test/pdGBLcq#2682b7_5041489
      
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      November 6, 2016 6:49pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      http://www.stephieisanidiot.com
      
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      November 6, 2016 7:00pm
Viking2

Obama just conspired to commit major voter fraud by encouraging illegals to vote. Please share! Share! Share! We must expose this!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=47397

From The Hill:
Hillary Clinton has dropped below 270 electoral votes in CNN’s electoral map when adding up the states that are either solidly Democratic or leaning in her direction.

The projection gives Clinton 268 electoral votes when using this measure, according to the latest snapshot of CNN’s “Road to 270” map.

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=47348&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=popular

Just might be all downhill for Hillary.
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November 6, 2016 6:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Viking , whoa there for a mo ,”
  
  The Obama Administration is “fighting in court” to allow non-citizens to vote in general elections.”
  
  Largely false !WHAT’S TRUE: The League of Women Voters (along with the NAACP and other parties) filed for injunctive relief against the Election Assistance Commission on 12 February 2016 due to unilaterally imposed voter registration restrictions requiring “documentary proof” of American citizenship; current law prohibits non-citizens from registering to vote or voting under penalty of perjury.
  WHAT’S FALSE: The Obama Administration or Justice Department initiated the suit; the Election Assistance Commission’s actions
  
  would enable non-citizens to legally vote in 2016 primaries and the general election; any parties are advocating for the right of non-citizens to vote in primary or general elections.
  
  WHAT’S UNDETERMINED: The ultimate outcome of a 9 March 2016 hearing on the suit’s merits.
  
  http://www.snopes.com/obama-non-citizens-vote/
  
  And the Electoral college vote could;d be equally fatal for Trump
  
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  November 6, 2016 7:08pm
Viking2

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=47281&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=popular
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November 6, 2016 6:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Viking 2 , Hillary Clinton done ?
  
  How exactly ?
  
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  November 6, 2016 7:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Stephie,
    Do you think that the Clintons are honest?
    
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    November 6, 2016 8:32pm
Steve (North Shore)

Hey Phil Goff,
When are you going to come down hard on Penny Bright and make her pay?
Corksoaker never will.
Just keep your income running like AT parking police spewing out tickets on Sundays.
C
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November 6, 2016 6:42pm
Longknives

Seems the sickeningly arrogant All Blacks don’t like being reminded of their little ‘Indiscretions’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11743275

So you’re a ‘Racist’ is you point out that this guy walked out of Court ‘Scot-Free’ after Assaulting his partner??
Weren’t there some All Blacks in the “It’s Not OK” ads?? Hypocritical fucks…
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November 6, 2016 6:59pm
- nasska
  
  Did you notice part of that article:
  
  …..”Fatima, who comes from a Muslim family”….
  
  She will have been conditioned from birth to be a punching bag & a second class citizen.
  
  It’s the will of Allah!
  
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  November 6, 2016 7:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nasska, the whole fracas seems to be shallow social media tittle tattle and the fact she is from a Muslim family is there for you to give it a perverse twist that is not there ,
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11634543
    
    Family violence effects all communities and ethnic groups including whites !
    
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    November 6, 2016 7:23pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”the fact she is from a Muslim family is there for you to give it a perverse twist that is not there .”….
      
      How do you know that it’s not?
      
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      November 6, 2016 7:25pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Family violence effects all communities and ethnic groups including whites !”…..
      
      But nowhere, not even in the Book of Bullshit (aka the Bible), are non Muslims instructed by their religious leaders to bash the shit out of their women.
      
      ““Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34”
      
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      November 6, 2016 7:35pm
      - dad4justice
        
        “Book of Bullshit (aka the Bible)”
        What happened to you Hillbilly to hate God so much? Have you thought about professional help?
        
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        November 6, 2016 7:57pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just a reminder D4J, I can still provide you with that counselling you need so badly…
        
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        November 6, 2016 8:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Tnasska.
        
        Titus 2: 5,
        
        “In this way they can train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited. 6In the same way, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.…”
        
        1 Timothy 2: 11,
        
        Instructions to Women
        
        …10but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess to worship God. 11A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.…
        
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        November 6, 2016 8:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I see Stephie continues his disengenous ways trying to have us believe that what the Bible said all those years ago means what violent Muslim do to their wives today is ok.
        
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        November 6, 2016 8:28pm
  - nasska
    
    You’ll get yourself tired & smelly dragging red herrings all over the internet Stephieboy. You implied that domestic violence occurs universally. I agree but hold that only in the barbaric Muslim version of hoodoo is there a clear instruction to give your missus the bash.
    
    Forget Titus or Timothy & their social advice. Tell us where in the Bible it is held that women shall be beaten or withdraw gracefully from the discussion.
    
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    November 6, 2016 8:27pm
Manolo

The invasion continues unabated:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3908652/Ten-bodies-rubber-dinghy-Libyan-coast-2-100-rescued-Mediterranean.html
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November 6, 2016 7:30pm
SPC

Early voting in the US elections is at c40M – around 1/3rd of voters. 56% of the votes are by women. And the turnout is highest by baby boomers (and those even older).

Clinton has a clear lead nationwide.

It ended on Saturday. The next opportunity to vote is on Tuesday.

The Republicans are behind in Florida, Nevada and North Carolina at this point. But this reflects the better Democrat organisation to get the early vote out. How many of the Gen X and millenials will vote?
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November 6, 2016 7:48pm
SPC

The odds are currently on a Clinton win, but a surprising failure to win the Senate – with the most likely result R 51-Dem 49 (a majority to convict or obstruct), with the best possible result seeming to be 50-50 with VP Kaine providing the deciding vote (if all Dems are on board).

There are major CNN and NBC polls out tomorrow.
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November 6, 2016 7:53pm
SPC

Trumpomania.

Person with sign “Republicans Against Trump” is removed from crowd (arrested and then released) after someone yells there is a gun. Trump taken off stage by security – praises them. No gun is found.
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November 6, 2016 8:03pm
Reid

John Podesta exposed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fat63bqvG8
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November 6, 2016 8:08pm
Komata

In respect of MM;s recent video footage concerning the consequences for the USA should the plebs not see sense and vote for Hilary, it is worth recalling that El Preseidente has stated publicly that he will not leave his office and surrender the Presidency should Mr Trump win. indeed, he went so far as to say that he would barricade himself and his family in the Oval office should that be the result. I suspect that members of the security services would take great delight in assisting in his removal…

We will see.
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November 6, 2016 9:25pm
- mikenmild
  
  That’s even more complete bullshit than we usually see here.
  
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  November 6, 2016 9:34pm
BeeSting

Agenda 21

is the tail wagging the dog
Its implementation in Australia
through naive but well intentioned people
has been an economic disaster

I have read it it is crap

People do not have the common sense to use common sense any more

in the lucky country
that is so Lucky to have bush fires floods
and massive storms in one season

The real danger I see with it is this

People stop thinking for themselves

Pauline Hanson would be the only Australian Politician who accepts you stephie what ever your
race religion

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/agenda21

Another arm of Agenda 21, is to privatise water. A farmer can only capture 10 % of the water in his dam, the rest must flow to the rivers and creeks, or be taxed. South Australia are just starting to feel the effects of Agenda 21, with the state government trialing low flow by-passes on dams, at an estimated cost of up to $30,000, this is to stop water running into dams. A water licence must be bought for irrigation from your own dam and also a right to take water levy, whether you use it or not, has been introduced by the government, and supported by the opposition.

These policies are putting people out of business
intentionally so they have to sell to foreign
communist pretend businesses

Not every where has a benign climate like NZ stephie

Awesome a licence to use water from a dam you paid for

That will save the planet
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November 6, 2016 11:47pm
Left Right and Centre

I don’t mind that the ABs lost. It’s the way they lost.
Letting in 40 points. Scoring a few too – but who cares.
They let in 40 points. It’s not the first time.
They let in 40 points. They’ve won last two RWCs – won last 18 in a row. Long endless season.
They let in 40 points. 40 Irish points.
That’s a bit shit. 40 northern hemisphere points.
I see the Welsh put 40 on the Aussies – in Wales.
Oh wait – that didn’t happen.
What was that about ? Good for promoting the game in the US ?
Burnt out ? Bored ? Off day ?
How is it possible to go straight from your own international season to an end of year tour ?

I read the comment about why not kick for turf etc
No. Because that purist shit isn’t ‘good for the game’. Promoting the game in the States. They could’ve turned Grant Fox styles. Probably wouldn’t have taken a forty point rodgering – that’s okay, it was for the ‘greater good’. Don’t want a ‘boring game’ on show. For that game – think more WWE pro wrestling. Funny how it’s the game in the States that ABs bend over for forty points eh ? Just a coinkydink.
Trying to crack US market. Good luck with that.
What kind of numbers – *really* – do they hope to ever get out of America ? Keep trying *groan*.

I can’t wait for another forty Irish points – Hansen – I wouldn’t let that happen mate, you’re not the one and only option at the helm – keep that in mind.
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November 7, 2016 6:02am
Manolo

Socialist to boot and aspiring tyrant:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/06/daniel-ortega-third-successive-term-nicaragua-president-election
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