General Debate 20 October 2017

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kowtow

James Shaw says legalising cannabis is better than locking users up.

Who gets locked up in Aotearoa for simple personal possession?

Why does no one in the media challenge this liar ?
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October 20, 2017 3:21pm
- Fletch
  
  I still can’t see the logic in this liberal argument of “we have to change the law to makes things legal because people might get hurt or arrested doing them illegally”.
  
  We may as well not have any laws at all then.
  
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  October 20, 2017 4:25pm
- Happychappy
  
  And what happen when someone that can’t handle the shit ends up killing a innocent person what will they say then and will they accept responsibility. It is like alcohol some can handle it while others have a different tolerance and go off their heads, so should we take that risk. I will probably upset a few on here with my belief.
  
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  October 20, 2017 4:51pm
  - GoVege
    
    Bring back Prohibition I say!
    
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    October 20, 2017 5:24pm
    - Happychappy
      
      You having fun matching Gabby with the down ticks go verge.
      
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      October 20, 2017 7:16pm
Brito

Ok here’s what we should be looking forward to.

National in opposition will be formidable. There are some excellent debaters in the house and most are within the Labour benches.

I can’t wait until the pompous arse in NZ first, Shane Jones gets up to speak. Sounds very Etonian but once the facade is scratched, there’s just a bro from Northland underneath.

Rational facts will demolish oral hygiene everyday.
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October 20, 2017 4:29pm
BananaLlama

Here’s what im looking fowards to.

An investigation into the Pike River cover up.
An investigation in the National parties ties with the communist regime in China
And investigation into National allowing a communist spy into parliament.

That should give Labour and NZF enough ammunition for the next six years.
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October 20, 2017 4:47pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I am looking forward to seeing Winston and Andy L trotting down the Pike River mineshaft hand-in-hand, with Bernie Monk trailing behind them.
  But I won’t hold my breath.
  
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  October 20, 2017 5:39pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Winston won’t either. He’ll need oxygen to alight the ministerial limo and take the twenty steps to the portal! 🙂
    
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    October 20, 2017 5:42pm
  - fylde
    
    Calm down – Bernie should be shown respect – he has suffered and fought for what he believes
    
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    October 20, 2017 7:59pm
- Flash
  
  And what do you think about having a committed socialist running the country?
  Can’t wait to have her ‘investigated’.
  
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  October 20, 2017 6:57pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Sorry i don’t speak Chinese.
    
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    October 20, 2017 7:30pm
realityczech

Great to see some true “liberal” politics emerging early with our absurd drug laws being looked at.

Cannabis clearly causes less brain damage and death than religion does. Though as a liberal I believe the State has no place in meddling with either.
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October 20, 2017 5:23pm
- Johnboy
  
  Absolutely! We really need to repeal the drug laws so we can get enough kiwi jokers onto building sites then we won’t need to hire all these dreadful immigrant folks to do our work for us.
  Well said czech old chap! 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2017 5:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    We also need to get women back in the kitchen/bedroom where they belong, or next thing you know they will be running the country… Oh Wait !!! 😉
    
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    October 20, 2017 5:52pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Winston’s a GIRL!!!! Tell us more old chap? 🙂
      
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      October 20, 2017 5:55pm
realityczech

Shocking footage at 0:41 of a turbine killing an endangered bird.
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Windmill Failures

Nearly 120 wind turbines catch fire each year, according to a research – ten times the number reported by the industry. The researchers claim that out of 200,000 turbines around the world, 117 fires take place annually – far more than what is reported by wind farm companies.

Fire has a huge financial impact on the industry; Each wind turbine costs more than £2 million and generates an estimated income of more than £500,000 per year. Any loss or downtime of these valuable assets makes the industry less viable and productive.

Fires are a problem for the industry, impacting on energy production, economic output and emitting toxic fumes, this could cast a shadow over the industry’s green credentials. Wind turbines catch fire because highly flammable materials such as hydraulic oil and plastics are in close proximity to machinery and electrical wires. These can ignite a fire if they overheat or are faulty. Lots of oxygen, in the form of high winds, can quickly fan a fire inside a turbine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHzfUWul2Y
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October 20, 2017 5:26pm
- Jack5
  
  This is a Kea wind up!
  
  Can’t blame the wild parrots for sticking together on wind choppers.
  
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  October 20, 2017 8:37pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Loved this bit.
    
    Each wind turbine costs more than £2 million and generates an estimated income of more than £500,000 per year.
    
    Wind turbines catch fire because highly flammable materials such as hydraulic oil and plastics are in close proximity to machinery and electrical wires.
    
    Sounds real scary.
    I guess all machinery is to a Luddite.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/investigation-continues-into-explosion-at-tampa-electric-co-plant-that/2328965
    
    Company executives said something went tragically wrong Thursday as McCort, 60, and at least five employees working for outside contractors tried to unplug a tank containing molten slag that can reach temperatures of more than 1,000 degrees.
    
    Slag gushed from the tank, falling onto the workers below. The flow — “like what comes out of a volcano,” one expert said — covered the floor six inches deep and 40 feet across.
    
    McCort, of Riverview, was killed along with contractor employee Christopher Irvin, 40, of Tampa. Another four contractor employees were hospitalized with life-threatening burns or other injuries: Antonio Navarrete, 21, and Armando J. Perez, 56, both of Wimauma; and two Tampa men related by marriage, Frank Lee Jones, 55, and his stepson, Gary Marine Jr., 32.
    …..
    
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    October 20, 2017 9:16pm
ex-golfer

I heard Jacinda mention on the radio this morning that her Government is for all people – she was reminded of her task as she walked home last night and saw two people sleeping rough on Lambton Quay.

With this in mind I expected that those two homeless would be gone as I made my way to work today – surely the Saviour of the down-trodden and poor would have taken them home and put them up for the night?

Alas no – they were still there.

I was tempted to ask them if Jacinda had bothered to speak to them and tell them of her masterplan to get them into a home of their choice, in a place of their choice. But left them sleeping.
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October 20, 2017 5:44pm
- Johnboy
  
  The glint of the LED streetlights shining off her teeth would have caused them stress old chap if she had spoken. Best she should scurry back to the ninth floor and get a couple of lackeys to pass on her messages (after running them past Winston of course) of concern! 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2017 5:49pm
- KevOB
  
  Alkies just loved being bossed around by do-gooders. Many have an alternative living style by choice–they also want to remain alcoholics.
  
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  October 20, 2017 7:45pm
  - Gabby
    
    Fuckwits usually want to remain fuckwits Ole Bollox.
    
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    October 20, 2017 8:40pm
Michael

Share market recovers.
Sacre blue!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/98087705/shares-down-as-investors-take-stock
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October 20, 2017 5:54pm
- Johnboy
  
  Bloody MCY hasn’t! Down 5c when I last looked.
  
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  October 20, 2017 5:59pm
  - Johnboy
    
    How the fuck can you get a downtick for that comment? 🙂
    Must be a Lab/Winsome voter! 🙂
    
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    October 20, 2017 6:08pm
GoVege

Was it really just yesterday our prayers were answered??
” what a difference a day makes…24 little hours…and the sun and the flowers….where there used to be rain…” 🙂 🙂
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October 20, 2017 6:07pm
- Johnboy
  
  Ah it was you Vege! 🙂 Might have expected it! 🙂 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2017 6:10pm
  - GoVege
    
    Well you’re right about something, Johnny boy!
    I’ll rephrase that…correct about something…you’re already “right” on everything. . 🙂 🙂 🙂
    
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    October 20, 2017 6:13pm
    - Johnboy
      
      You and Shane Jones could get on really well together Vege. You should get together over a video and a king size box of tissues. 🙂
      
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      October 20, 2017 6:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yuck!
        I don’t hang out with waka jumpers…. 🙂
        
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        October 20, 2017 9:18pm
    - realityczech
      
      GoVege best you put on some lippy and go cook your man a steak.
      
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      October 20, 2017 6:24pm
      - GoVege
        
        I don’t wear makeup RC…I’m naturally hot.
        And Mr GoVege is on a fish and vegetables diet now for his health…
        
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        October 20, 2017 9:20pm
      - nasska
        
        You’re going to do a “Gay Oakes” on the poor old bugger by putting him on a vegetarian diet?
        
        A ‘femme fatale’ if ever there was one! 🙂
        
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        October 20, 2017 9:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Mr ‘GoVege’ probably needs something if, as you say, he’s screaming at women wearing a burka ‘it’s your mask, it’s your mask’ when he sees a dog barking.
        You’re so funny.
        
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        October 20, 2017 9:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: I’m trying to extend Mr GoVege’s life, not do him in.
        He deserves nothing less for keeping me in the style to which I have become accustomed. .. 🙂
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        When you say ‘style’, do you mean perfect racist and bigoted harmony?
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:33pm
      - GoVege
        
        You gotta good memory, AOR, but you’re slightly confused.
        It was the poor nutty burqa-clad lady who was attacking an innocent little dog.
        He was on his own property defending the perimeter, while she kept running at him with her trolley or whatever, in his OWN driveway.
        If only we could defend our own borders from crazed religious twits…
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        That’s not what you said in your post.
        Not that we believe any of your bullshit anyway.
        #FullOfShit
        #RacistNutter
        ‘It’s your mask, it’s your mask!’ Lol
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        What makes you think I’m racist AOR?
        I’m only racist against male chauvinists who tend to mostly come from non-Western countries.
        Hang on a sec…didn’t you say you were part Maori or something?
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘What makes you think I’m racist’
        ‘I’m only racist against’
        Lol
        You’re not very bright are you.
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        What’s da matter AOR?
        Do you make your missus wear one of them burqas?
        Don’t you think in the interests of equality that dudes should wear them too?
        (And not just when they’re knockin over a dairy).
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        You’re in a particularly grumpy mood tonight, AOR.
        Are you a property investor or something?
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        I have a very interesting job, AOR.
        That’s why I have all these fascinating stories to regale my fellow KB’ers with.
        They’re all true.
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahaha
        #racist
        #bullshitter
        
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        October 20, 2017 10:53pm
      - sam green
        
        Jesus AOR – GoVege is an iteration of Kea, JJ, RC etc maybe. It’s all a bit bizarre.
        
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        October 21, 2017 12:30am
Ross12

I wonder if this will get those weird Californian politicians thinking about the value of sanctuary cities etc. ?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/ice-confirms-arsonist-behind-california-fires-5-time-deported-illegal-alien/
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October 20, 2017 7:08pm
nasska

Just think…..

…..if the religious conservatives had pulled their heads in & stopped trying to run other people’s lives we could have had a National government & sane financial policies.

Thanks for nothing Godnutters!
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October 20, 2017 7:35pm
- treadingthemill
  
  How did religious conservatives prevent National being re-elected?
  
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  October 20, 2017 7:58pm
  - nasska
    
    They were to the forefront of the “teach National a Lesson” & Give National a Backbone” brigade. IOW they would rather crawl up Winston’s arse than let sick old people have the right to die.
    
    Doddery, meddlesome old farts trying to build up a few brownie points with God couldn’t get over “lover boy” Colin letting them down.
    
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    October 20, 2017 8:08pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      They were to the forefront of the “teach National a Lesson” & Give National a Backbone” brigade.
      
      The only way you could know this is by a religious breakdown of the vote for New Zealand First by a poll or other means. Have you seen something like that? I think it’s doubtful that a lot of New Zealand First’s vote was driven by those concerns. I don’t know any religious conservatives, I assume you mean Christian fundamentalists, but the people I have talked to who were voting for them were concerned about economics and immigration. I’m not defending religious conservatives, especially as they don’t tend to like people like me, but I think you’re drawing a long bow with that claim. Is there even enough of those types left to swing the vote in a major way?
      
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      October 20, 2017 8:28pm
      - nasska
        
        Put it this way. There were about 96K NZers who in the 2014 elections gave the NZ Conservatives 3.97% of the vote.
        
        Some of these were religiously conservative PIs who would have returned to Labour. Leaves about 3% who were opposed to gay marriage & very anti any loosening of social laws.
        
        A few may have gone home to National incognito with heads bowed in shame…..the rest either didn’t vote or supported NZ First.
        
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        October 20, 2017 8:38pm
    - GoVege
      
      I was amazed Jacinda didn’t lose half the P I vote with her abortion stance.
      The women would have voted for her, but the males don’t even want their women to have contraception….
      
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      October 20, 2017 9:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘But the males don’t even want their women to have contraception….’
        Citation needed
        
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        October 20, 2017 9:38pm
    - MickMac
      
      he didn’t let them down, He gave National a smack! 🙂
      
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      October 21, 2017 12:52am
- Lucia Maria
  
  I’m in the thick of hanging out with religious conservatives and don’t know of any who voted for Winston.
  
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  October 20, 2017 8:12pm
Lucia Maria

Someone earlier in the day mentioned a poll on whether we were happy with our new government on the NZ Herald and then couldn’t find it again.

It’s on this page. When I voted, 57% were not happy.
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October 20, 2017 8:09pm
Jack5

Kea runs his posts and pseudonyms like an air traffic controller.

Well done, old bird. It’s a like a well co-ordinated fireworks display, or planes zipping in and out of Heathrow or Dubai. Not quite yet like von Karajan conducting the Berlin Philharmonic, so there’s room for more sophisticated manoeuvres.
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October 20, 2017 8:40pm
Newbie

Anyone here a National Business Review subscriber? Any chance you could please c&p here an article titled “Bad buzz plagues Ngai Tahu honey venture as private equity circle” ?
Thanks.
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October 20, 2017 8:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  A doubt our host would approve of copyright violations.
  
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  October 20, 2017 9:34pm
  - Newbie
    
    Thanks Rangitoto, I hadn’t thought of that. In which case, if indeed doing a c&p violates DPF’s blog, then please ignore my request.
    
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    October 20, 2017 10:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably something to do with Ngai Tahu’s $40M investment in Watson & Son, – which went into liquidation last year.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94447879/no-money-in-honey-for-ngai-tahu-holdings-this-year
  
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  October 20, 2017 9:42pm
  - Newbie
    
    Thanks Maggy, I have read that story, and yes, perhaps, possibly, it does have some bearing in the latest news that I’m trying to find out.
    
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    October 20, 2017 10:52pm
- Jack5
  
  It’s not as if Ngai Tahu were able to use tax losses.
  
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  October 20, 2017 9:57pm
rangitoto

So Taxinda says she doesn’t want crims locked up. Get ready for a massive crime wave.
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October 20, 2017 9:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/man-found-not-guilty-over-bomb-scare

Pays to be an “Artist”

(That Judge is not a cuzzie)
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October 20, 2017 9:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Dene is an unusual name.
  
  I wonder if he’s got any link to Canada’s Dene Nation. Native Americans of the far north whose kids now mostly prefer fast food to eating caribou.
  
  http://denenation.com/
  
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  October 20, 2017 10:03pm
- nasska
  
  Did you see this Maggy? I’m wondering how the new emboldened Green Mafia will react.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11934342
  
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  October 20, 2017 10:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are going to be so conflicted.
    Jacinda has promised a new Ministry of Forestry… and looks like one of the Greens might get that Portfolio.
    
    Can’t imagine Scion scientists will be happy hanging around for 25 years to see if one of their genetic manipulations has borne fruit (so to speak), especially as every other country will be growing precision tinkered pines en masse.
    
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    October 20, 2017 10:55pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    The devil is in the detail.
    
    “It’s the foundation we need to begin the task of deciphering what each of the base pairs of DNA relates to in physical terms.”
    
    At 25 billion base pairs, the radiata pine genome is eight times bigger than the human genome.
    
    Following assembly, the next steps are to understand each piece of the genome and the role it plays in tree growth and resilience.
    
    The sheer size of the genome was a large challenge to researchers.
    
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    October 20, 2017 11:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The greens have had a history of interfering with GE trials.
      https://blog.greens.org.nz/2012/04/17/monitoring-of-ge-a-reason-for-mistrust/
      
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      October 20, 2017 11:35pm
      - sam green
        
        Graeme Capil has a history of interfering with children.
        
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        October 21, 2017 12:33am
MickMac

Sam, Thank God Graeme Capil isn’t a brand like The Greens.
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October 21, 2017 12:49am
Manolo

Typical elitist Frog arrogance:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/france-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-problem-nobody-explained-brexit-consequences-british.html

French President Emmanuel Macron told CNBC Friday that the problem that U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May has is that nobody explained to the British people the consequences of a Brexit vote.
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October 21, 2017 7:30am
Manolo

He knew how to get them:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-weinstein-fashion-models-20171021-htmlstory.html
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