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Right of way is Way of Right

Economists are starting to come around to Stephen Joyce’s way of thinking.

ANZ economists are forecasting that Labour will need to borrow about 13 billion dollars more than it’s pre-election fiscal update maintained it would over the next four years.

This echoes resoundingly with Stephen Joyces assertions in the leadup to the Election that there was a huge hole in the financial predictions that Grant Robertson was putting forward to the electorate. Economists were quick to criticise Joyce at the time, but as I suspected, it would appear that he was a lot closer to the mark.

Labour will no doubt try to spin it’s way out of this by claiming that the new spending is required under the coalition agreement, but that’s rather disingenuous.

The frightening thing is that the projected debt levels are conservative, and dependant on the economy staying relatively strong. With Winston talking down the chances of prosperity from day one, the future looks bleak.

The next election campaign should be a belter, and Ganesh Nana can just shut up for the next three years!!
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November 15, 2017 8:02am
- Evadne
  
  Where do you find such interesting pieces of news? I went to the Herald this morning (first mistake), but left after 30 seconds, having concluded that nothing has happened in the world, apart from a thunderstorm in Auckland, a cop with cancer (sad for the family, but not news), the seedy world of Bikram yoga, a heroin couple did something, a “star” talks about parties, and Lorde had a concert.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98870648/economists-see-government-debt-rising-billions-more-than-labours-plan
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:09am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Not long ago the media were telling us that ‘no economist’ agreed with Steven Joyce. Are these the same economists or different ones?
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:35am
      - Simon
        
        Economists ?!
        
        This is getting out of hand. We really need to hear from Gaylord and how he feels about the issue.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:47am
      - david
        
        Paddles was about to spill the beans and look what happened to him!
        
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        November 15, 2017 7:18pm
    - Evadne
      
      Thanks for the link!
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:21am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I see cmm has provided the link, thanks for the assist cmm!
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:09am
    - stigie
      
      I get the feeling Economists are just like Academics…Fucking no it alls !~
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:18am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        😉 know
        Its Labour that were no to it all.
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:13am
  - rangitoto
    
    Must mean that Taxinda has already fixed poverdy.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:09am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Bill English was trying to fix poverty. All Taxinda want’s to do is paper over the cracks!
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:17am
    - starboard
      
      Ardern. Not my PM.
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:37am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Yes she is. You need to deal with the fact you live in a democracy. And she’ll be your prime minister for a long time, unless National shows it’s ready to come up with policies that people actually like. For instance, it needs to develop a better water policy than THIS….
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news_crops/41536/eight_col_20170904_083133.jpg?1504474292
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:13am
      - starboard
        
        Dont think so morris. She got the job by default thanks to the 7% drunken lawyer . Ardern is way out of her depth..shes a fucking embarressment. You and I both know that. Just hope she doesnt ruin the country in her short 18 month stint.
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:26am
      - Morrissey
        
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        shes a fucking embarressment.
        
        No, THIS is a fucking embarrassment….
        
        http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/22/asia/john-key-new-zealand-hair-pulling-lawsuit/index.html
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQM1Oko8IE
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:47am
      - Brito
        
        Don’t talk to Morry (minor) he/she/thing is all confused and sad.
        
        My imaginary friend thinks maybe he/she/thing has a mental illness.
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:12am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        jacinda Ardern is indeed PRIME MINISTER of NZ and if you live here then she is starbored. like it or lump it you whinging idiot.
        Or would you prefer the perpetual loser , the most boring man in politics, the liar, the double dipper Simon English?
        Rhetorical question. Of course you would, you’re a dyed in the wool fool.
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:30pm
      - Brito
        
        SPLOOOGE you’ve got your whole life in front of you to be an arse-wipe. Have a break and take today off!
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:54pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Splurge, other than you rent-a-trolls & the sycophantic MSM, the tooth fairy is not seen as being a PM by NZers or for that matter other world leaders.
        
        All week we have been getting the tooth fairy shooting her mouth of about her (or David Parker’s achievements) only to learn later it was not as she described. Then there was a telling piece in a discussion on RNZ this morning after 7.00am between John Campbell & Patrick O’Mara. It appears Taxcinda is friendless amongst international leaders. O’Mara related the tale as told to him by others in the NZ press pack, that Taxcinda appears friendless to the extent that Turnbull (who she met 10 days ago) did not introduce her to the leaders at the 2 summits she has attended. This contrasts with Key, who was introduced to other world leaders by Kevin Rudd at his first summit
        
        Face Split, tooth fairy is losing her fairy dust in NZ, and other world leaders know that she is not the real deal.
        
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        November 15, 2017 4:07pm
    - billmurray
      
      Taxinda is giving away $3M of our money to Manus Island illegals.
      Hey Taxinda, its our money, what about our homeless?.
      You are a piece of shite.
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:49am
      - Southern Raider
        
        No way it’s only $3M.
        
        I estimate at least $100K per refugee so conservatively $15M but realistically over twenty years could be three or four times that
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:50am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        26 million for key’s vanity flag project?
        Yeah ummm.
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:31pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        A$120m for a non binding same sex marriage question in Australia! $27m is a bargain compared to that considering it was $17m subsidy to NZ Post.
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:57pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        US estimates were close to $1million per refugee, and that is for run of the mill islamic 3rd worlders, not the bad-uns of Manu.
        
        In the west only about 25% of refugees from Islamic shitholes end up not on welfare. You have to pay several $100k per head for accommodation, and $20k year or more on living and health costs for 40-60years, and then many multiples of that for the relatives they bring in (something like 18 for Ahmed Zaoui), and all the criminality that comes with them.
        
        You won’t get change from $500k each, and likely several times that.
        
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        November 15, 2017 2:27pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Bill or anybody, I’ve got some serious questions about this $3mill give away from the ODA budget, at what point did the fairy princess get authority to commit the money in this manner? She almost didn’t get it from the cabinet, there wouldn’t have been time for cabinet paper & decision; did she speak to Winnie Poo before she started doling out his ODA budget.
        
        She is meant to be the PM of NZ, not a President of Zimbabwe. Has she not heard of collective cabinet responsibility? She is not meant to be making up NZ foreign policy on her gut instinct. It is little wonder, many of us have no respect for in the role of PM. Thank you Winnie Poo
        
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        November 15, 2017 6:23pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      No to busy handing out $3mill to PNG for illegal immigration queue jumpers (economic migrants to you & me).
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:56am
    - Longknives
      
      Poverdy? What Poverdy?
      It’s all Unicorns shooting Rainbows out their arses in Aotearoa now that Jacinda has defeated those ‘Evil Capitalists’!
      So much so that Saint Jacinda is prepared to spend tens of millions of Kiwi Taxpayer cash on those dangerous Islamic Refugees nobody else on the planet will touch..
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:30am
  - VicParking
    
    You wont find anything that will upset Robbo in the failing newspaper. Read the reports from treasury, ANZ and other banks. Finding your news from the Hearld and Red Radio will just rot your brain.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:12am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      If you mean RNZ, I agree it’s infuriating, but I must know what the ‘political class’ is listening to and how much pampering Liebore is getting. Also, I find the brash advertising on other channels pretty painful.
      
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      November 15, 2017 12:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Didn’t they mention a slow burning coup in a former bread basket of Africa that is now a basket case after its “liberation”.
    
    Rhodesia.
    
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/zimbabwe-zanu-pf-youth-wing-ready-die-mugabe-171114133805737.html
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:29am
  - backster
    
    Any photos of Jacinda?
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:56am
  - GazzaW
    
    You wouldn’t expect the Herald or Stuff to be trumpeting Cameron Bagrie’s story nor that of his colleague at the BNZ. The MSM really put the boot into Joyce pre election over his $11 billion dollar question to Robbo. I always believed Joyce – he’s not always right but compared to Robbo he’s a fucken’ genius.
    
    I sense an awkward question coming up for Robbo at QT this afternoon.
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:05am
- wreck1080
  
  I hope opposition parties ram labours preelection words up their noses and never let them forget their dishonesty.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    This morning on Red Radio was a report that Twitford’s plans for KiwiBuild are going to result in no more homes being built over the next decade than was the regime prior to the election. It seems the Reserve Bank has identified:
    1. There will be no additional builders or construction workers available under Labour, so builders etc. will have to be made available from the existing pool. So unless Twitford has a magic formula to make a builder more productive, the number of houses is not going to grow in number; and
    2. The RB also identified that there were also indications that a number of homes already planned to be built by the private sector are being redesignated as KiwiBuild. So, net increase in homes built is zero.
    
    When Twitford was questioned about this report & whether Liebour had misled the public during the election, his response was “KiwiBuild was not about building more homes, but about building more affordable homes”. Oh dear, it seems the policy was predicated on a solid foundation of Liebore porkies. If this pattern continues defeating the CoL at the next election.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:58am
    - chris
      
      Typical. They can’t make it work the way they intended, so they redefine houses already being built as being under KiwiBuild and then they can claim “X houses built under KiwiBuild”, even though no more houses were built. I do struggle to understand how the Government can magically make the same houses any cheaper / less expensive than they would have been though, unless they plan to subsidise them with our money.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:33am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Subsidise the Kiwbuild houses with our own tax payed money, that is the plan.
        
        Why does everything that is labeled ‘Kiwi’ or have Aotearoa (Comes up as Tearoom with spell check) in something labeled by the gummermint, behave like poo?
        
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        November 15, 2017 2:03pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        You got it, the magic of taxpayer subsidy. A sure fired way to make the finished cost of said KiwiBuild houses even more expensive.
        
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        November 15, 2017 3:21pm
      - GazzaW
        
        The training wheels are already falling off. Twyford and Robbo already called out at best over their ignorance at worst over their lies. Davis resorting to Te Reo at QT as he has no credible answers. Nash’ big fuck up with GST and Sepuloni caught horribly short by Upson yesterday. Did anyone notice her stormig out of the House after Upston had finished with her?
        
        This mob will be a distant memory come Xmas 2018.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:13am
- Paulus
  
  I suspect that BERL aka Ganesh Nana will find that his business will quieten down now that he has proven to be not exactly correct.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:17am
  - Maxx
    
    I’m sure now that Labour are in Government they will funnel more than enough work there way for report after report that will more than makeup for any lost business.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:38am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So what your suggesting, instead of business relying on a discredited bunch of economists, govt departments/agencies will use the same discredited economists to produce dubious reports all paid for by NZ’s taxpayers. Great.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:09am
      - backster
        
        Add in a few expert committees and a tribunal or two.
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:00am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        don’t forget the conversations . . . . .
        
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        November 15, 2017 2:04pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Exactly right. Mr Nana will be busier than ever now.
      
      Officials will find themselves more inclined now to engage consultants who will provide the information that the government needs to implement their policies.
      
      Others, who were more likely to tell National what they wanted to hear, will find themselves on the outer.
      
      No corruption in NZ.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:55am
  - Harkman
    
    Ganesh “rent-a-faux-economist” Nana is a complete and utter sham.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:46am
- Maxx
  
  I see that ASB are also forecasting growth to top out at 3.2% under this Government compared with 3.8%. I believe Labours “budget” they were forecasting getting growth to 4% to make their numbers work.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:43am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    forecasts Labour used in their costings were even higher, up to around 5%.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:39am
  - Harkman
    
    Well, get ready for some ‘sexed-up’ GDP statistics in the coming quarters. (Inflation, “what inflation?”).
    
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    November 15, 2017 11:24am
- niggly
  
  From the “you couldn’t make this s*** up” pile, I heard I think on ZB News yesterday afternoon that Labour “have discovered” that “National have hidden the costs” when Labour transitioned to govt, meaning that Labour are inheriting less money than expected to fund their multi-billion dollar election bribes!
  
  To which I say “BS Labour – stop lying”! You Labour turkeys over-promised spending by $billions of election bribes (that’s not even counting NZF’s tens of $billions of election bribes plus a few $billions from the Greens).
  
  These Labour Govt turkeys won’t even make public the costs of the Labour-NZF Coalition spending promises (apparently it will be released in December – pathetic – and what’s the bet they won’t)!
  
  More like economic reality from Treasury has hit Labour and Robbo’s backsides and now Labour are panicking and spinning to deflect and invent blame (and to lessen expectations to their supporters)!
  
  Meanwhile Jacinda is giving away $3M of ~~our~~ her money to the Manus Island detainees – WTF how about letting the Australians sort that out and we use that $3M for our own Kiwi’s in poverdy??
  
  I even heard on Morning Report’s 7am news bulletin something about Labour dismissing some other concerns from Treasury (sorry too sleepy at the time to recall what it was)!
  
  Not sure whether I should be pulling my hair in disgust out watching this amateur COL clusterfork or be buying more popcorn!!!
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:26am
  - Maxx
    
    Its just Robo trying to find a way of using a few hundred million of unexpected spending as a way of justifying billions of extra borrowing.
    
    I would say the MSM will pull him up on this but its a little too early for pigs to fly.
    
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    November 15, 2017 11:10am
    - david
      
      I suspect Kelvin has been told to can new prison construction in order to put more dollars in the kitty. Defence spending will be next on the block.
      
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      November 15, 2017 7:49pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True niggly. It was apparent when questioned by Steven Joyce today that the little poofter has absolutely no idea how much will be borrowed. His GDP expectations are far too high and all he can do is trot out his standard response. Meet their fiscal promises and keep crown core debt to his percentage of GDP. He is dreaming.
    
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    November 15, 2017 7:11pm
- Maxx
  
  I don’t believe that this is taking into account the extra spending that has to be allowed for in operational increases as well.
  
  Teachers are wanting a 14.5% pay increase, Nash has talked about increasing Police pay, and Parker has also talked of increasing the size of the public service.
  
  This $13b is only the beginning. It will be interesting to see how they try to hide/justify it.
  
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  November 15, 2017 3:53pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thank R. Not forgetting that that includes over $3 billion to be borrows so it can be “invested” fund. Even more costly now since the gain in the NZ$ last week heralded by the Media party has vanished with another equal amount of loss. Now down to US$0.6836 and falling.
  
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  November 15, 2017 4:09pm
holysheet

Spoilt for choice this am.
I see the tooth fairy is spreading our largess to piss off the auzies. Why can she not just let it go. What is about to be announced that she has to try so hard to deflect?
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November 15, 2017 8:04am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  The Tasman is a very treacherous stretch of water, I can attest from first hand experience, I have crossed it by sea more times than I can remember. The boats that people smugglers generally use are not designed for those sorts of waters. In attempting to reach NZ, they may make it, but many wont. Any vessel that founders in the Tasman trying to make it to NZ will result in fatalities, the cause of which must be laid squarely at the feet of this misguided coalition, and Prime Minister Ardern bypassing reality for vague promises of false hope!
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:08am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes but she is that stooopid that she will have the navy out in the Tasman waiting to rescue any boats the make it around the coast of Australia. We will be inundated by these boats soon.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:11am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Hopefully the Aussie Navy will continue their fine humanitarian work in rescuing these queue jumpers from the hands of the people smugglers. Remove the passengers, sink the boat, send em back. Do that enough times, people get the message, and they will stop coming.
      
      Of more concern is the drug trafficking up north, how do we stop that?
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:16am
      - kowtow
        
        I’m surprised Red Radio ran this one.
        
        “A New Zealand man who worked at the Manus Island refugee detention facility is warning the government against taking any refugees, saying the ones still at the centre are dangerous men. ‘
        
        “http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018621621/don-t-take-them-warning-from-a-former-manus-island-guardstill at the centre are dangerous men.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:33am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      At great cost
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:18am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You forget that the not-for-profit sector have made an industry out of ferrying potential muslim terrorists across the Med – exacerbating the problem.
    
    They’ll just expand operations to the Tasman.
    
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    November 15, 2017 11:00am
- Philview
  
  I have been wondering what the real motivation is. Perhaps it is about bringing down the Australian Government and getting Labour into power over there. I saw a headline about NZ going to the UN over this issue, which if true seems a very confrontational approach.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:13am
  - cmm
    
    Just look at Europe and Canada.
    
    Once you have made sense of what they’re doing you will immediately understand what Jacinda is trying to do.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Perhaps the Greens demanded in their coalition talks NZ become isolated from the world so NZ can concentrate on becoming the new world nirvana. Cindy will be having talks with Kim Il Jong on how to proceed next. ?
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:24am
      - pdm
        
        Winston is allegedly already on his way.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:42am
      - Happychappy
        
        Winston is trying to stay away from Parliament as long has he can so he can avoid the question on his utu and his lies.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:47am
      - waikatogirl
        
        pdm, when I posted that comment above I hadn’t heard of our newly appointed world diplomat. 2 huge egos talking in NK. What could possibly go wrong!
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:52am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “Perhaps the Greens demanded in their coalition talks NZ become isolated ” Never. Melons always believe in idiocies such as ‘open borders’ and ‘free flow of populations’. Environment be damned.
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:44pm
    - howitis
      
      The commie chick sure ain’t working for the betterment of NZ.
      You can take that to the bank!
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:59am
  - KevOB
    
    Was any of this put to the country pre-election? The presumptive affront to Australias government could be highly damaging.
    
    Jacinda’s lot should be recalled before further irreversible trouble occurs.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:10am
  - flipper
    
    Naah ……..
    What many here do not understand is the depth of animus toward Asian (and o0ther) economic refugees. Labour will give the refugee button the just the softest of touches to keep in step with their “brothers” in the UN, and the Peters/Ardern Regime. They dare not make this a GE issue. It would sink them>… and they know it.
    So it is all about keeping the redmelon idiots here happy because they know they have the lying duplicitous bastard locked in!
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:16am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Are you sure it’s about ‘Asian’ refugees, or islamic ones, who happen to be Asian when from Indonesia? I doubt that Australians have concerns about hard working, sensible people from Korea or Hong Kong who are not going to be religious extremists.
      
      It’s important to keep emphasizing that islam is not a race and that no ideology should be protected against criticism.
      
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      November 15, 2017 12:48pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        What country did the Manus Island queue jumpers originate from???
        
        Who are they and why they are first on Cindy’s priority list?
        
        Why is Cindy spending$3m on Manus Island queue jumpers welfare when her election promises were to help downtrodden NZ’ers with housing, welfare, etc . Do our kiwi unfortunates know they are not Cindy’s top priority?
        
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        November 15, 2017 2:29pm
  - Kimbo
    
    @ Philview
    
    I have been wondering what the real motivation is.
    
    With your schema/conspiracy of the “Long March through our institutions” (otherwise known as an example of “the contest of ideas over time in a liberal democracy” by the less tribal of us 😉 ), that would be a fair question. However, I would suggest Hanlon’s Razor offers a better explanation: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. And stupid/naive sumps up the Ardern approach to foreign policy thus far. 😉
    
    Labour and the Greens genuinely believe the Aussie policy is wrong, and are using multilateral means to do something about it. Same as when we took the French to the World Court in 1973 over nuclear testing in the atmosphere at Mururoa. That and the famed despatch of the HMNZS Otago to Mururoa in 1973 by Big Norma Kirk. 😉
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:25am
mandk

The people traffickers will be rubbing their hands with glee, listening to Ardern’s stupidity.

How many dead bodies floating in the Torres Strait is the PM prepared to see, just so she can look virtuous?
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November 15, 2017 8:04am
- cmm
  
  No, you have it wrong. Jacinda will put the people smugglers out of business.
  
  The next step will be that Jacinda, the new PM for Manus Island, will send HMSNZ Canterbury on monthly trips to Indonesia to pick up refugees.
  
  Sailors will be sent ashore to help load their baggage while stewards hand out refreshments.
  
  And if you think me wrong, just look at what Jacinda’s BFF Trudeau is doing in Canada. Border patrol cops help carry refugees’ suitcases and load them onto buses.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:13am
  - Harkman
    
    “HMSNZ Canterbury on monthly trips to Indonesia to pick up refugees.”
    Well, so much for restricting immigration. Perhaps the 30,000 figure was “per week.” Ly’in Phil Twyford is going to be really busy.
    
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    November 15, 2017 11:35am
- dime
  
  at that point, do we get to call her baby killer? caus ethats what she will be
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:01am
Peter

The LabFirstGreen trainwreck hasn’t even got out of the station yet.
Incentivising traffickers – that’ll work.

Has there ever been a government less qualified to run a dairy?
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November 15, 2017 8:07am
- Lance
  
  Or a chippie
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:14am
- VicParking
  
  Or even a fish and chip shop.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:15am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  They’ve avoided the trainwreck in Wellington…the drivers have all gone on strike!
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:09am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    It’s not a strike. Jacinda promised there would be no strikes under a Labour Govt. If there were strikes that would mean she lied.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:26am
Paulus

Was surprised to see Margaret Wilson back as Speaker – but she looked like Trevor Mallard !
Like Wilson he has been told by H2 that she must give no favours to anybody but Labour.
Partisanship – yes of course, but that is the failed electorate MP who quit because he knew he was going to be whipped.
His Maori pronunciation was appalling to say the least, now that he has changed it.
He has set up new partisanship Speaker’s rules to suit the incompetent Labour Ministers.
The schoolteacher from Northland decided to diatribe in Maori whilst those around him looked utterly bored.
He could not answer any questions without looking for comments from the fat one next to him.
Come back Cindy – at least you can talk !! (and how) and Wilson/Mallard/H2 will let you at everybody else’s expense.
Beginning to look pathetic – really sadly.
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November 15, 2017 8:12am
- mandk
  
  It’s mind-boggling how anyone so dim-witted and useless can get to be Acting PM.
  
  God defend New Zealand.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:27am
- oldpark
  
  Agree Mallard looked like a dumb durk and acted accordingly. To think the mad dog Peters is 100% culpable in allowing such a waste of space as Mallard dominates common sense and turn it into a farce in our Parliamentary debating chamber is an abomination.
  Peters should be charged with treason and sedition,and sicko decisions against a genuine National Government,and installing such a gang of losers and no hopers ,to our treasury benches.
  Peters has a lot to answer for in the breaking up the well being of NZs and allowing chaos to be enacted in NZ by his Coalition of bums and no hopers.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:02am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “His Maori pronunciation was appalling to say the least” Yes, I just couldn’t believe it. I don’t know much Maori, but the pronunciation is pretty important and quite straightforward for anyone with a smidgen of language skills.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:56pm
oldpark

Notice part of the “coalition of fear” Lie-bour/Green /Peters Party /CTU. The trade union chaos merchants are now in full charge. Tomorrow in Wellington they have called for a twenty four hour rail and bus strike. The supporters of the “Coaition of Fear” will surely be rejoicing when their votes for the Peters elected Mafias disrupt their daily lives and well being for their families.
Thursdays hospital appointments exam sittings for pupils. Parents trying to arrange baby sitters for their children all because of a a bunch of trade unions terrorists on strike,aided and abetted by Peters “elected”Commie Chic”Comrade Ardern NZs PM.
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November 15, 2017 8:12am
- peterwn
  
  Seems to be rail strike only according to Metlink site. Golly! that was short notice.
  The last bus strike in Wellington (I cannot remember how along ago but it was close to Christmas) fell flat on its face. The Council ran the buses then and the majority of Councillors would not budge and people walked to and from work grim faced but did not complain to the Council.
  Perhaps the Rail and Maritime Union want to put the skids under Jacinda.
  By the way, Why does Grant Robertson have his electorate office in their building? Do they offer him cheap rent?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:03am
  - KevOB
    
    The rent is likely a kickback out of public monies via Labour to the Union.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:13am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The union leader on RNZ this morning tried to sound reasonable, but didn’t seem to understand the difference between ‘minimum wage’ and ‘living wage’. One moment he was telling us that a ‘living wage’ needed to be $20.20 p.h., then that some staff weren’t getting the ‘minimum wage’, which of course for is $15.75. Confusing, what could he mean? Adult NZ workers get at least the minimum wage. So if what they are pushing for is all to get at least the ‘living wage’, he needs to clarify that and Wellingtonians need to know what that will mean for their commuting costs.
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:06pm
Paulus

Cinderella
$3,000,000 plus promised would go quite some way to releaving Poverdy in New Zealand.
And you are going to give it to the many criminals in Manus Island.
Do you know what a fool you are making of yourself and your Government ?
And you have only just started.
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November 15, 2017 8:15am
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  It would be a waist of money as there is no poverdy in New Zealand.
  Taxinda stirred up a bunch of rabble to believe that there was so she can then enter parliament and declare on day 100 she fixed poverdy without lifting a finger. Except for the figure she is giving working NZ, that has been lifted well and truly.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:43am
- howitis
  
  The commie chick sure ain’t working for the betterment of NZ.
  You can take that to the bank!
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:01am
Doubledimp

I keep thinking, is there anything that National can grasp onto inside the revised TPP to explain voting against it? If they did it just out of spite, then they would just look as bad as Labour when they were in Opposition. But if they could find a valid reason to delay the process without looking like pricks, that would be so delicious.
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November 15, 2017 8:17am
- godruelf
  
  Perhaps the best solution would be to show the “great concessions” negotiated by the new government that suddenly flip flopped Labour’s opposition to the plan.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:29am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If foreign governments cheat on the agreement and don’t give our businesses a fair go, we can no longer take them to court. That seems like a genuinely good reason to vote against it.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:39am
- Random T Person
  
  Filibuster isn’t a good look. You won’t win additional votes like that, even if you impress your own team.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:42am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Winston gets a few through that style, but it’s definitely not what National voters are looking for in a sane and sensible government.
    
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    November 15, 2017 1:15pm
- oldpark
  
  Yes tit for tat. The same way lees -galloway turned down the joint parental support in Nationals grand idea for being together when their new born babies arrive. The clown from Palmerston North Lees-galloway social engineering expert, and installed by Peters Party said it was no good for the baby. He cant even run his own domestic life ,yet he had made a big call on other parents who maybe know how to run their domestic lives,with their new born.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:24am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The only time I’ve heard Bill English on Morning Report for the last few weeks is when he got to pledge that National will support the new TPP. He sounded reasonable and kept emphasizing that NZ’s wellbeing comes above party politics to National. Whatever National does, will the MSM pay any attention unless it’s to Liebore’s advantage?
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:13pm
hullkiwi

Tracey Martin, proof you don’t need to understand the importance of what your ministerial responsibilities are when you would rather purse your own dogma.

For whatever reason, Taxcinda made Martin Most Mister of Internal Affairs, Minister of Children & Minister of Seniors. Now, dead babies, child poverdee & SuperGold aside, what the f**k does the Minister of Children & Seniors do, that a number of other ministries/Ministers don’t already cover? Needless to say the good minister believes these to be her most important responsibilities, &not Minister of Internal Affairs, which happens to be responsible for issuing of passports and border security.
This is courtesy of an interview published in the Rodney Times last Thursday.
In the same article she saw it as important to expand the use of the SGC scheme, with particular reference to particular reference to public transport for seniors, she (stupidly) noted she wanted to do do more for seniors & public transport in Warkworth (pork barrel). Shows how much she reads local media, because if she had she’d know the locally provided services are poorly patronised for a number of reasons.

In conclusion, if this is an example of the calibre of CoL ministers:
1. This country will be a mess after 3 yesrs; and
2. The next election will be hard to lose.
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November 15, 2017 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  Winston Peters is off to North Korea as Donald Trumps special negotiator………yes.
  Lets hope he trys to steal a poster.
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:33am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Heh, Kimmy and Winny will bond over Kimmies extensive Cognac and Whiskey collection, with a bit over luck the bitter & twisted dwarf won`t come back.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:52am
VicParking

Turned on Red Radio this morning without thinking and ‘Red rag’ Campbell was interviewing a Union hack about the the upcoming rail strike.
Was told the rail workers just had a 2% pay increase but wanted a 20% on top (living wage). The union was asked what rates the workers were on but the union man said he did not have those figures? So the union have no idea what their worker earn?.
John was dropping one patsy question after another as the union man talked about profits going overseas and the workers not having enough to live on. Started to gag so I turned off the radio. Does anyone know how long Campbell and Hill are going to be on Red Radio in the mornings?
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November 15, 2017 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Susie Ferguson hinted that she might not be back to work before Christmas.
  https://twitter.com/SusieFergusonNZ/status/925819569855328256/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stuff.co.nz%2Fentertainment%2Ftv-radio%2F98476397%2Frnzs-susie-ferguson-taking-leave-for-medical-reasons
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:35am
- Doubledimp
  
  Yep already the Industrial action starts. I thought Comrade Jacinda promised no strikes when on the campaign trail?
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    These unionists aren’t stupid. You make demands when there is chaos in the government, when pollies throw money around to keep the peace.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  Susie is on sick leave, but I don’t know why Campbell & Espinor have swapped this week.
  
  In the previous 2 weeks Espinor & Ferguson were starting to play hard ball with the new ministers. Maybe the editors at Red Radion have been told by Current bun’s office to fix things, & they have with Red Hill & Red Campbell. So much for our 4th estate.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    Just been told Espinor wont work with Kim Hill.
    Big talks going on as Sue wont be back soon.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:04am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Thanks Vic, I was wondering why the abrupt change. Although Susie & Espinor have favoured Labour when National were govt, in the past two weeks they were not endearing themselves to CoL ministers by asking the hard questions.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:36am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Practically a love fest between Hill and Campbell this morning, saying how much they liked working with each other. Bleeecchhh.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:38am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Don’t be too hard on Red Radio. Yesterday I fluked the chance to listen to Rod Oram talk about the Xero exit from the NZ Stock Exchange. It was brilliant radio.
  Pity about the other 167 hours 45 minutes of each week, when it is left wing Shiite.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:38am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Of late other than Hill & Campbell, the most dubious has to be the portraying of Matthew Hootton as a represent of the right. Other than his contacts (mother in law & his friend the National MP), his insights seem to becoming sycophantically favouring the CoL. One is left wondering, if, he has CoL members/supporters as clients?
    Last week Hootton was telling listeners how good the new govt was, on Monday he back tracked. On Monday, he was extolling the virtues of Taxcinda et al. and they did over CPTPPA, but 24 hours later we learn they have not completed the deal & in fact they still don’t know what the schedule is to conclude and sign the deal.
    Message to Hootton the PR man, you really need to learn to restrain your enthusiasm and out bursts in such public manners. Equally, what Monday showed, is that Mike Williams has been too busy chasing corporate directorships to have useful insights about the current Labour Party.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:29am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Does anyone know how long Campbell and Hill are going to be on Red Radio in the mornings?”
  
  I’ve been wishing Kim Hill would retire since I first heard her, many years ago. Back then mainly because she was forever interrupting interviewees. Now of course because she was the most biased leftie on the radio. Before being joined by John Campbell…
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:24pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    CL, I’m with you, I get 30 minutes in the morning to hear the news. I do not need a Kim/John leftie love in; and I do not need incompetent government ministers not being held to account by journos/broadcasters on public radio paid for by us the taxpayer.
    
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    November 15, 2017 3:47pm
Morrissey

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Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 10: Boors and louts like these

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/gerry-brownlee-deeply-embarrassed-by-airport-security-breach-6135096

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11673027

http://tvnz.co.nz/content/910849/2556418.html

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/patrick-gower-bill-english-in-shutdown-mode-over-todd-barclay-texts.html
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November 15, 2017 8:27am
- Lance
  
  Oh look
  The village idiot is up early this morning.
  
  Hey Morrissey…
  Why is Jacinda lying after she said she doesn’t lie?
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:32am
- Lance
  
  And why was Steven Joyce correct about the fiscal hole?
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:41am
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    Idiot.
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes you are.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:13am
  - All_on_Red
    
    13 Billion reasons why Grant Robertson is lazy and useless!
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:53am
    - VicParking
      
      He is good however at pulling the strings to make our acting PM work.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:06am
- Morrissey
  
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  As of 8:59 a.m., eighteen people have registered their approval of Gerry “Rob Ford” Brownlee breaking airport security regulations, Chester Borrows and Paula Bennett driving into protestors, Jonathan Coleman* blowing smoke in a woman’s face, and the Double Dipper’s unconscionable support of that waste of space Todd Barclay.
  
  * Believe it or not, after that incident, they still made him Minister of HEALTH.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:00am
  - flipper
    
    You really have to be as thick as one short plank Moris….
    Brownlee, as Minister, was sort of like the senior cop. He was the “law” on that matter and, but for John Key reading idiotic tea leaves wrongly, should have told the prosecution to go to hell. I told Key that at the time and he acknowledged the point. There is far too much acceptance in NZ of admin BS oversight and “corporal” power. If you want an analogy… look at mobile phone use by the road and traffic Nazis.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:38am
    - Morrissey
      
      Thanks for showing us your contempt for the law, flipper. Have you thought of running for the ACT party?
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:50am
      - Brito
        
        Someday you’ll go far with comments like that. And I hope you stay there tosser.
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Chester Borrows was acquitted of careless driving causing injury Morrissey. You seem to have very little respect for the presumption of innocence.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:58am
    - stigie
      
      That whole bullshit was staged KS, they had that protestor that allegedly had her toes run over sitting wrapped up in white sheets on a ambulance stretcher for all the sympathetic public to see..?
      Give me fucking strength !~
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:48am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You’re not wrong. The whole thing was a set-up.
        
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        November 15, 2017 3:43pm
- Brito
  
  I’d agree with you Morry (minor) but then we’d both be WRONG!!!!!
  
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  November 15, 2017 11:15am
cas

Forget about any ambitions to be in the UN. I’m confident jacinda is heading fr Pope-ess
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November 15, 2017 8:29am
tusker

People smugglers hiding under deep cover in their various shithole foreign countries are quaking with fear this morning at NZ’s prime minister announcing she is coming to get them and that they will ‘feel the full force of the law’. How in her Alice in wonderland world does she imagine her dopey threat will actually be carried out ?
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November 15, 2017 8:31am
Happychappy

Grant Robertson and Jacinda are trying to find excuses for their lies about the hole in sweet cheeks and the Coalition election promises. They are saying that the leaky schools problem has been neglected by National and there are other problems that will require money that they new nothing about that was bad management by the previous Government but forget that the Helen Clark Government left National with the Leaky school debarcle when Labour did nothing to fix the problem in their nine year term.
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November 15, 2017 8:37am
waikatogirl

Winnie briefed Cindy on his top level talks with Rex Tillerson pending a Tweet “announcement” from Donald Trump. Paddy Gower reveals he believes the USA have requested of Winnie that he become a world liaison with Kim Il Jong and may he be dropped into North Korea, where he has visited before.

You couldn’t make this stuff up!
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November 15, 2017 8:38am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh please, let him go. Perhaps they will keep him!
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:06am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Send him to inspect the nuclear mountain.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:41am
    - sooty
      
      Good experience for the Pike River Mine!
      
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      November 15, 2017 12:38pm
- KevOB
  
  Does Paddy Gower not make anything up?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:18am
- Happychappy
  
  waikatogirl: This tells me Peters is worried about his health and hasn’t that much time left to create a lasting Legacy on NZ and World Politics and is desperate to find something to dwarf the negativity of how he changed the Government by utu and deceit. Peters is a germ and needs publicity to forfill his ego and will stop at nothing to achieve it at the expense of the NZ taxpayer.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I agree to above Happy, however the US government seems to have the impression that Winnie has some actual diplomatic skills? Or perhaps the US are more astute than I first thought and see Winnie for the rogue politician he is. Kim Il Jong may recognise a kindred spirit in him, afterall Kim apparently loves Denis Rodman, a US basketball maverick. Strange bedfellows!
    
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    November 15, 2017 2:54pm
- VicParking
  
  Little does he know that he will be dropped into North Korea without a parachute.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:09am
Rodney Randall

Heard Smelly on Zb this morning having orgasms over the news that Nz may end up taking the Manus darlings.

To her credit she read out a flurry of texts/tweets all condemning the decision to bring these people to our shores. Most cited security concerns esp sexual predatory ones.

One particular text quoted the incidents that occurred in Cologne (During the 2015/2016 New Year’s Eve celebrations, there were mass sexual assaults, 24 alleged rapes, and numerous thefts in Germany, mainly in Cologne city center.)

Smelly scoffed and said “REALLY?”

She then went on to lament the poor plight of Rohingya people and how there women were victims of rape.

The sooner this airhead dissapears into the wilderness the better.
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November 15, 2017 8:38am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘Smelly scoffed and said “REALLY?” ‘
  
  A journalist that clueless about what happened that night should be immediately fired. Germany has become a total disaster for the safety of women, gays and young German men as ‘refugees’ and other islamists grow in numbers and power.
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:32pm
Gravelroad

Ha, now we see the unveiling of some agendas previously kept under wraps by Ms Ardern and presumably the party she leads.
$3m for a few criminals in another country to spend – on what?
And a few more rungs up the UN ladder for Ms Ardern.
Meanwhile, back home, the clock is still ticking for the thousands and thousands of NZ children allegedly living in poverty.
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November 15, 2017 8:39am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “Few more rungs up the UN ladder for Ms Ardern”:) The same outfit that appointed Nazi war criminal Kurt Waldenheim as 4th Secretary, Mugabe as WHO Goodwill Ambassador (rescinded) and Saudi Arabia to the Women’s Affairs Commission. #jokeoutfit
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:53am
- VicParking
  
  Dont forget the 277,000 trees per day.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:10am
  - david
    
    Nah, much more than that if the planting trees minister (Shane Jones) is to e believed when he said in the House that planting trees is seasonal and weather often gets in the way.
    
    So should we double the daily planting rate to compensate for Winter and rainy days?.??????
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:09pm
EAD_TWO

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Yesterday, UpandComer posted a fascinating post on Cultural Marxism that, despite being a long way down the thread was very well received with comments such as ”wow, you really know your stuff” and ”Wow – that’s a great read.”

In it he listed all of the principal architects of Cultural Marxism and their noted writings and that what underpinned all their writings which was to “overthrow all the underpinnings of Western Civilisation”.

Read here:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/hehir_on_romanticising_communism.html#comment-2076174

Here was the list of 8 notable individuals who UpandComer listed and their ethnicity beside their name:
Max Horkheimer (Jew)
Herbert Marcuse (Jew)
Saul Alinsky (Jew)
Jacques Derrida (Jew)
Noam Chomsky (Jew)
Georgy Kukaj (Jew)
Antonio Gramsci (Jew)
Theodore Adorno (Jew)

Now most people would look at that list and see it as “a bunch of lefties who happen to be Jewish whereas those of us with dissident minds and not afraid of speaking the truth look at this (along with all other “coincidences”) and see it as an almost exclusively Jewish cable operating to destroy then remould their host societies as planned in their holy book.

Remember it is only people in the West who have been brainwashed to think of themselves as being individuals defined by some abstract political theory boiled down into the artificial “left” vs. “right” (thanks French Revolution) rather than a member of a larger nation with roles and responsibilities.

Which is weird state of affairs if you stand back and look at it as everyone is born to a family which is where there most intense loyalty should naturally be, followed by their nation/tribe.

The march of the Marxists has been so successful that in addition to “left” vs. “right”, what would now identify along class lines (thanks Marxism), sex (thanks Feminism), and surgically changed sex (thanks Magnus Hirschfeld). The only thing remaining of normal order left in Western countries is that the rapidly growing hostile “minorities” (thanks Mass immigration) have it drummed it into them to think of themselves along racial lines. Just look at this article in the Jewish owned New York Times published over the weekend called “Can My Children Be Friends With White People?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html

On a final note – I suggest everyone who is triggered by what I’ve wrote, to spend a week reading the Times of Israel, TabletMag or the JC. Compare the news we receive, (which is basically a mix of local and international news from a left of centre view (posing as neutral) combined with a heavy dose of globalist viewpoints) to the news the Jews read which is basically story after story about what is going on and what it means for the Jews whether they be in Israel or in the dispora. Every single moment of every single day, European peoples have it drummed into them to think of themselves as individual consumers whereas the Jewish mind is the most collective mind that has ever stalked the planet.

Understand kol yisrael arevim zeh bazeh
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November 15, 2017 8:46am
- Dave Mann
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you like Jewish people very much. Am I right, or am I just jumping to conclusions….? 😉
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:56am
  - SGA
    
    (((EAD))) is just touching the tip of the iceberg (not a Jewish name, btw). Despite the fact that less than 1% of the world is Jewish, over 20% of Nobel laureates are Jewish. Science itself is part of the Jewish conspiracy.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:08am
    - SGA
      
      And apparently about a quarter of the Fields Medal winners are of Jewish extraction too. I guess Mathematics is tied into the conspiracy somehow?
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:30am
      - Kimbo
        
        Kabbalah!! 😉
        
        By converting letters to numbers, Kabbalists were able to find a hidden meaning in each word. This method of interpretation was used extensively by various schools.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
        
        So when they ask you what is the answer to 1+1, they understand among themselves that the real answer = red! 😉
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:47am
      - SGA
        
        Kabbalah!!
        
        Damn, I should have thought of that for myself 🙂
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:53am
    - Kimbo
      
      (((EAD))) is just touching the tip of the iceberg (not a Jewish name, btw)
      
      You’ve just been duped by the lies that they spread to cover up who was really responsible for the sinking of the SS Titanic! Think about it: (((Goldberg))), (((Rosenberg))), (((Iceberg)))…they’re all in on it!! 😉
      
      (variation on an old joke),
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:37am
      - VicParking
        
        Dont forget all our kids are being made obese by Ham Bergs ers
        
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        November 15, 2017 10:14am
      - Ed Snack
        
        And here’s me thinking that Iceberg was a lettuce…
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:41am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Having recently been to Israel and seen them at first hand I think their success is down to their total dedication to education, hard work and sheer energy. Their society is an island of peace (yes, because they keep it that way), orderliness, technology, science and innovation run along democratic lines. This in a sea of chaos, warmongering, bickering, terror, corruption and tribal hatreds.
      
      I found the Jews friendly and open (although a little distant sometimes towards Gentiles) and they look a bit weird in their funny hats and their tassles, but they certainly know a thing or two about how to get ahead as a country. And they make great coffee and little sweet snacks too.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:42am
      - Kimbo
        
        …and no doubt Kea/realityczech will be along soon with an already repeatedly copied-and-pasted quote from (the free-press in an openly democratic nation!) Jerusalem Post or Haaretz of some minority dickhead orthodox Rabbi exhorting his followers (all of about 100 of ’em) to use violence to remove the Gentiles, including tourists from eretz Yisreal starting with closing all the non-kosher restaurants like McDonald 😉
        
        I have a friend – a fellow Christian (we had both belonged to a Dispensationalist church together about 30 years ago so that had influenced some of his expectations) -who come back from a few weeks in Israel last year, and surprise, surprise, as I had told him
        
        …it wasn’t this wonderful version of a spiritual Disneyland he had been expecting. Most Israelis he encountered were secular, just like ordinary Kiwis getting on with life and not interested in biblical/religious/spiritual matters (can hardly blame ’em!),
        
        …and in many cases, and with good reason they loathe some of the Orthodox sects – they breed like rabbits, get lots of welfare from the state, but are also exempt from military service.
        
        BTW, Dave Mann, I seem to recall your dad, a then-British soldier was killed during the 1946-48 Zionist terror campaign.
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:58am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Wow, Kimbo, you’ve got a good memory! Yes my dad was killed during the Zionist campaign by the terrorists of Irgun. The worst part of it was that by then the British had already long decided that a state of Israel would be formed and they were working towards that end, but these bastards just intensified their operations.
        
        It took me almost a lifetime to forgive. But hey, that was then and this is a different world.
        
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        November 15, 2017 10:21am
      - Lance
        
        I spent 6 months there in my youth.
        After a long history of betrayal they are naturally cautious. But after a few weeks they opened up and were the nicest people. They speak very direct which is polar opposite to NZ culture but once you understand this, no problems.
        Their dark humour is unmatched
        
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        November 15, 2017 10:52am
      - realityczech
        
        “but they certainly know a thing or two about how to get ahead as a country”
        
        Yes parasites are good at that. Hard to fail really, when the filthy gentiles are paying your way.
        
        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/us-israel-foreign-aid-military-bankroll/
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        Just look at the excuse making and special pleading for the Jews arrogance and contempt towards gentiles ^^^
        
        Poor broken fools. You can dress it up how you like, but they regard you with contempt. It is that contempt for non Jews that has seen Jews disliked in every single culture they have occupied.
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Yes my dad was killed during the Zionist campaign by the terrorists of Irgun…It took me almost a lifetime to forgive. ”
        
        So you decided to hate Muslims instead, though they have never harmed you or killed your dad ?
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:35pm
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        RealityCzech, the distrust of Gentiles by Jews might well be a thing, but when you look at how Jews have been treated by Gentiles through the ages, don’t you think there may be a slight reason for that distrust? Your argument that the distrust lead to the persecution has no basis. It’s a chicken and egg argument at best. Until we can get past that, from both sides, this will continue to be an issue, and this baseless (for want of a better word) jew-baiting serves no-one well.
        
        Just for clarification. I am a Gentile.
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        Right of way is Way of Right, I agree with you right up until the part about “Jew baiting”.
        
        Unless you can direct me to a similar comment you have made about Muslim baiting here on KB I will assume you are just another religious zionist bigot.
        
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        November 15, 2017 5:31pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Despite the fact that less than 1% of the world is Jewish, over 20% of Nobel laureates are Jewish. Science itself is part of the Jewish conspiracy.
      
      Let’s for a minute ignore how corrupt Nobel Prizes are in their awarding, but do you care to share those percentages in Mass Media, Hollywood, Social Sciences, Politics, Law and Banking/Usury. (as an aside you won’t find many in Engineering, Architecture, Classical Music and fine art)
      
      The difference SGA in why they’re overrepresented is that aside from being great talkers, Goyim are not a tight-knit ethnic group like Jews. Goyim don’t engage in nepotism. Every Jew is personally responsible for all other Jews and their welfare. As I said earlier, understand Kol Yisrael Averim Zeh Bazeh. In some rabbinical interpretations, all Jews are of the same body as Adam, millions of cells in the same body, which must work together.
      
      Cohesive groups beat individuals. Jews will always dominate in a society of uncoordinated individuals, taking over the systems of the larger out-group and turning those systems to the weakening of the larger population. Migration, for example, is to dilute and distract the larger non-Jewish population with other problems so they don’t question your control.
      
      I have had conversations with Jews that literally turned into “If you think we’re the problem, what about those Muslims, huh? They are much worse!” and I said “You let them in precisely to divert and weaken us. Being able to point to them as worse is the whole point of mass immigration.”
      
      http://www.smashculturalmarxism.com/jewish-origins-neoconservatism/
      
      http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/09/16/kevin-macdonald-jews-play-a-leading-role-in-promoting-multiculturalism-in-europe/
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:53am
      - Kimbo
        
        Goyim are not a tight-knit ethnic group like Jews. Goyim don’t engage in nepotism.
        
        And…there’s the two sine qua non in your argument, indeed entire conspiracy theory…that just ain’t so. Gentiles don’t conceive of themselves in those terms. Instead, they too have local, tribal, ethnic/historic/national differences that distinguish them one from another. Hence they fight wars. And yes, they do nepotism too. And greed. And…
        
        There is one race that is the source of all the world’s problems…the human race!
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:20am
      - SGA
        
        (as an aside you won’t find many in Engineering, Architecture, Classical Music and fine art)
        
        For heavens sake, (((EAD))), I’m not a classical music expert, but even I know that there are plenty of famous Jewish classical musicians. Check a few lists of famous/greatest 2oth century classical pianists, for example, and in most 20%-30% are Jewish (e.g., Lhevinne, Hofmann, Schnabel, Rubinstein, Hess, Serkin, Horowitz, Ashkenazy, Argerich, Barenboim, Perahia). Off the top of my head, I can think of Stern, Menuhen, Ositrach, Perlman among the violinists (not sure about some of those spellings, sorry).
        True, the canon of great classical composers is a pretty goy bunch, but the churches and aristocracy weren’t employing a lot of Jewish composers (or artists) back then.
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:53pm
      - SGA
        
        @(((EAD)))
        
        I have had conversations with Jews that literally turned into “If you think we’re the problem, what about those Muslims, huh? They are much worse!”
        
        Judging by your comments here, I think they showed a lot of restraint.
        
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        November 15, 2017 1:56pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you like Jewish people very much
    
    Well I guess it’s similar to the “Muslim Problem” we see debated every day here on Kiwiblog. Only tiny fraction of Muslims engage in terrorism yet the mood music is – “all Muslims out”!
    
    Only difference is I’m actually much more balanced the the counter-jihad crowd.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:44am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I think the key is that Islam is waging a holy war against the whole of civilisation, whereas Judaism is trying to quietly go about stealing as many Nobel Prizes as it can. Big difference in the basic approach to life.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:51am
      - Kimbo
        
        How about the alternative middle path? Neither the vast majority of Muslims, and no Jews are planning and conducting a religiously-motivated co-ordinated plot for world domination…no matter what some zealots or critics allege their sacred texts supposedly demand.
        
        …and instead, like most of us, they are getting on with their lives? Because as loathsome as EAD and realityczech/Kea and their ideas are, they are right in one matter – if you think that most/many/all Muslims are planning and engaging in jihadism, then by the same measure there is indeed an international Jewish conspiracy for world domination. Which…there ain’t!
        
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        November 15, 2017 10:13am
      - realityczech
        
        Dave Mann, Jews used terrorism and killed your dad. Not Muslims.
        
        Now they have what they want and use the USA to do their dirty work, killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims. They are no less extreme than Muslim Jihadists, just better resourced. No need for suicide vests when you have B-1 Lancers.
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:43pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Being Jewish is an ethnicity. One can be a secular Jew, an atheist Jew.
      
      Islam is an ideology. One that supports slavery, wife beating, killing of gays, oppression of unbelievers.
      
      While moderate muslims don’t do those things, their ideology does support and encourage them.
      
      That is the difference: Race vs Ideology.
      
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      November 15, 2017 1:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Islam is an ideology. One that supports slavery, wife beating, killing of gays, oppression of unbelievers.”
        
        So does Judaism. Islam is based on the books Jews wrote.
        
        Read what the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem said.
        
        “I call it a cult. It’s a cult of abominations, it is obvious. It’s an abomination,” he said. “The Torah says it is punishable by death.
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-chief-rabbi-calls-homosexuality-an-abomination/
        
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        November 15, 2017 5:34pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Triggered? One of the main reasons that the Jewish people embraced communism/socialism is that in most european societies they were marginalised and isolated from the mainstream. If you continue to look within writings for only that which already confirms your pre-existing bias then you will never be able to go past them. People like you blame the Jews for the rise of socialism, and in your next breath, you blame the Jews for the issues surrounding capitalism.
  
  You remind me of the old impoverished Jew in the shetl, reading the anti jewish propaganda posters. His son asked him. “Papa, why do you read all that hate?”
  
  “Because, Son, I like to remember how powerful we are!”
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:05am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    the Jewish people embraced communism/ socialism
    
    Well at least there is 1 person on here prepared to admit the roots and proponent of communism.
    
    http://www.truthfromgod.com/articles/jews_created_communism.html
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:40am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Same reason so many medieval Jews (in Europe generally) were involved in finance and trade – because they were forbidden to own land which was the traditional investment and occupation, so they were indeed forced to make a living as they could.
    
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    November 15, 2017 11:44am
- JibberJabber
  
  Poor old EAD, got bad case of circumcision envy.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:19am
- Brito
  
  Jesus was a Jew, the Romans condemned him. Fuck off with your demented view and wankiness loser.
  
  Avram went into Church, took out his tallis, yarmulke, and proceeded to pray. The clergyman entered to start services: “Will all non-Christians please leave.” Avram continued davening.”
  Again the clergyman said, “Will all non-Christians please leave.”
  And again, Avram prayed.
  Finally, the distraught clergyman moved to Avram. “Will ALL JEWS please leave.”
  At this, Avram removed his yarmulke, packed up his tallis, then went to the altar, picked up a statue of Jesus and said, “Come bubbela they don’t want us here anymore.”
  
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  November 15, 2017 11:20am
  - realityczech
    
    The Jews killed Jesus and regard him as a scorcerer a trouble maker and a bastard born of a whore.
    
    It is hilarious seeing brain washed christstains defending them.
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:45pm
    - Brito
      
      Hey arsehole. I lived amongst them for 12 years from 1974-1986. I saw enough of the neighbours trying to break down the door to know that I can poke holes in anything you say.
      
      You have no fucking idea. Go very far away.
      
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      November 15, 2017 2:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brito, So you lived there and that makes your murderous hate and intolerance towards Muslims okay, as well as a self appointed authority on Israel ?
        
        Sorry arsehole but I have forgotten more about Israel and Jewish culture than you are ever going to learn.
        
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        November 15, 2017 5:43pm
    - Lance
      
      You are one sick fuck
      
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      November 15, 2017 3:33pm
    - Brito
      
      RC, you’re a bullshitter and I hope your anti-semitism catches you out one day.
      
      Hatichat hará!!!!!!
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Stay classy Brittle. You won’t go to heaven for defending the wrongs of gods chosen ones so you might as well tell the truth.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:04pm
      - Brito
        
        Standard joke I’ve often heard about you lot. And your scrawls seem to bear that out. What a piece of shit.
        
        What does a Czech need to be happy? Not much, as long as everyone else has got less.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:41pm
Morrissey

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Watch the appalling performance of New York’s
moronic governor Andrew Cuomo in this clip

Imagine if, in the 1950s, New York Governor Averell Harriman had attacked the Montgomery bus boycott, or if Governor Rockefeller in the ’70s had attacked the anti-apartheid movement. They didn’t, of course, which makes them morally and ethically very different to the intellectual pygmy that currently sits in Albany….

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201711140214-0025544
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November 15, 2017 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You’re not very popular here are you Morris dancer?
  Why is that?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:15am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Ooooh, I think you’d find that if you ever ventured into controversy, Cap’n, that you too would attract opprobrium at times. I accept the slings and arrows, and ask for no quarter.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:17am
    - starboard
      
      How long you been unemployed morris?
      All your life?
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:01am
      - Brito
        
        Starboard, to be unemployed infers that you were once employed. In Morry’s case we all know that’s not possible. Thingy is un-employable.
        
        He sounds so much better with his mouth closed.
        
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        November 15, 2017 11:22am
    - VicParking
      
      Use a sling to sling your hook
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:16am
- Simon
  
  Morrizzzzzzzzzzzy
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:02am
  - Morrissey
    
    Now THAT’s a good one!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hNLl7_W0ds
    
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    November 15, 2017 4:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How Green delegates keep warm at the Climate Conference in Bonn.
(enjoy)
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/how-green-delegates-keep-warm-in-bonn/
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November 15, 2017 8:59am
- waikatogirl
  
  UN climate conference, hypocrisy much! ?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:07am
kowtow

Listening to rnz “news’ to catch up on the Manus Island issue.

This issue could fuck our relationship with Oz , open the illegal route to NZ , cause illegal drowning deaths
and endanger New Zealanders.

And what is first up ? Trumps’ Attorney General!

WTF is it with the MSM ‘s TDS ?
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November 15, 2017 9:03am
Poppa

Never in my life before have I felt embarrassed by a Prime Minister of this great country.

Now I am & it has just begun. God help us as I sense she is completely overcome with power and is driven by her communist agenda.

That is before we start looking down the ranks where there is no sign of any brain power at all.

Peters should be put in stocks & have rotten eggs thrown at him for what he has done to this country & he knows it
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November 15, 2017 9:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  World leaders attending the East Asian Summit are sidelining Cindy from future contact after she enthusiastically implemented her communication degree training on other leaders by telling them how to run their countries. Malcolm Turnbull has already refused to meet with her again regarding Manus Island queue jumpers.
  
  Did everyone see the photo on GD last night (posted by maxx) of 5 or 6 major world leaders, USA, Japan, India, etc speaking in a circle with Cindy looking on longingly wishing she was included.
  
  There are consequences to your actions Cindy…
  Let’s annoy this!
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:15am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes and the skirt she was wearing looked like it had come from an op shop.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:50am
  - rangitoto
    
    They thought she was the drink waitress.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:38am
    - Maxx
      
      With the look on her face all she would’ve been serving is Whiskey Sours
      
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      November 15, 2017 11:12am
      - Morrissey
        
        Jacinda Ardern is the type of woman you clearly would never have the nerve to speak to. I’m sure you’ve become quite adept at making nasty comments to your mates about various “sour-faced bitches” who are “obviously lesbian”.
        
        By the way, THIS is a sour face…
        
        https://thespinoff.scdn5.secure.raxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SPINOFF_Prime_Minister_Bill_English-1027-Edit.jpg
        
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        November 15, 2017 4:36pm
- KKKKatee
  
  It’s “Captain’s Call” for her all the way, that much is obvious. A month into her her role, and she appears to be very much despised. God knows how she’ll be able to lie in bed straight and sleep at night by the time the next election rolls around….
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:10pm
Dave Mann

The latest news from the Indigenous People’s Republic of Aotearoa: the Maoris now want to ban people from entering the Waitakere Ranges and, wait for it… Auckland Council has ‘confirmed that it is considering the measure’.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/98854981/mori-to-ban-access-to-large-auckland-regional-park-to-save-the-kauri

When will this racial separatism end?
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November 15, 2017 9:11am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I see absolutely nothing in the article to suggest that the proposed ban is only intended to apply to some races and not to others.
  
  Why are you assuming that the proposal is motivated by racism and not by exactly what it says it is – concern for the environmental impacts of walkers spreading kauri dieback disease?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:26am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes Albert, there are always two sides to every story.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:05am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Your meaning?
      
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      November 15, 2017 11:17am
  - itstricky
    
    Further, The Council has council has considered that as an option for a while now. So it’s not new, or unusual that they would say ‘yes, maybe’ when a community group voiced concern.
    
    This is not ‘seperatism’
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:42am
    - Dave Mann
      
      To answer both you and Albert, it is separatism (or, I suppose more accurately, favouritism) when a proposal is given favourable consideration because it comes from one race of people.
      
      If it goes through, this will be the thin end of the wedge. The council has already given Mt Eden and ‘guardianship’ of public lands to the Maoris. What’s the logical conclusion to all this?
      
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      November 15, 2017 11:08am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        What is the basis for your assertion that it’s being given favourable consideration because it comes from one race?
        
        Can you show, for example, that a similar proposal made by a white person was not given favourable consideration?
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:00pm
      - itstricky
        
        when a proposal is given favourable consideration because it comes from one race of people.
        
        At the risk of repeating, it isn’t. Half a dozen (non Maori) groups have combined with the tribe to call for a closure and those same (non Maori) groups have been talking about closure with the council for a few months. That is why the article says “considering the measure”. They have been, for a long time now.
        
        This is not a new proposal. That there is a tribe now calling for it is but that doesn’t translate to a cause and effect.
        
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        November 15, 2017 3:06pm
    - starboard
      
      Spelling is not your strong point Eh sticky.
      
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      November 15, 2017 12:33pm
      - Brito
        
        I’ve tried to help him but he insists on going it alone. Honestly we here at the Mt Albert Labour Office are as embarrassed as everybody else.
        
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        November 15, 2017 2:03pm
- VicParking
  
  Or go for a boat ride on lake Taupo. How long before you will need to pay to swim.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:18am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I suppose you’d agree that you have the right to decide who drives your car.
    
    Supposing I steal your car and drive it without your consent. Now the Police find your car where I parked it and return it to you.
    
    Is it your contention that I should nevertheless still be allowed to drive your car without your permission?
    
    How exactly would it be different?
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Separatism will only get worse.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/iwi-panel-maori-offending
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:46am
- treadingthemill
  
  It’s not racial separatism, as Albert has pointed out. But, we are by law and treaty a bi-cultural country, not a mono-cultural one. Maori have every right to ensure the well being and protection of areas of economic, cultural and spiritual importance. Rather than complaining about this, we should be learning from them about the importance of having a spiritual relationship with the Sacred Land.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:17pm
  - wiseowl
    
    We are one .
    There is nothing bi about it unless you misconstrue the meaning of the treaty.
    One law one people, well we used to be.
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:26pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Waitakere was proudly the first Agenda 21 city. They have recently decreed that all roads in our the area wll have rough chip, not smooth seal. (to stop more visitors or make a more rural aesthetic you decide) and their is a wildlink programme, buffer zones, heritage areas. Closing off the core zone is exactly what is happening globally. The prediction was that they would deny access to wilderness areas as per the wildlands map. Auckland has a wildland it is the Waitakere’s and the foothills are the buffer zones, they have been building wildlinks from TitiriMatangi across the north West. I guess it depends how far they take it . But the Kauri Dieback is highly politicised and a quick drive out to Piha you’ll see a lush dense healthy massive forest.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:17pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Does anyone remember the 1990’s and cabbage tree decline and the concerns for the extinction of the cabbage tree.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, I do.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:29pm
    - realityczech
      
      “cabbage tree decline”
      
      Pepper Trees too. Happens a lot with trees.
      
      Now days that don’t bother with real science and simply chant climate change.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Doesn’t take too long for seedling cabbage trees to become adults….. and dominate the landscape..
        
        We won’t be around to see little kauri seedlings grow into Tane & Wahine Mahutas
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:39pm
softail 1450

eadiot 2 , I’m surprised your making comments this early,you do realise the other KB Bovva boy realitychoke is still in bed and won’t be able to rush to your aid should your relentless attack start to falter .
or are you one in the same?
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November 15, 2017 9:17am
Longknives

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018621621/don-t-take-them-warning-from-a-former-manus-island-guard
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November 15, 2017 9:39am
Digmen1

We have enough violent people here in NZ already without importing any more.
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November 15, 2017 9:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

US Justice Dept might check out the Clinton Foundation- Uranium Deal

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41985863
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November 15, 2017 9:53am
- VicParking
  
  Yes, checked, nothing here, move on to Trump again. What more can you expect.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:20am
- realityczech
  
  Clinton is a lying criminal scumbag. It is the sign of a broken system that she is not in prison.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    Want to know more ? Then don’t use Googles censored searches.
    
    Here are the search results (powered by Google) that have not been edited: http://www.gibiru.com/
    
    The Google results are all about defending Hillary Clinton rather than the crimes she is accused of.
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:26pm
Longknives

I honestly think Jacinda knows the Manus Island ‘Refugees’ are shitbags who will likely rape and murder innocent New Zealanders (There are paedophiles amongst them)
But getting her dream job at United Nations like Aunty Helen is far more important..
So suck it up New Zealand!
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November 15, 2017 9:55am
- starboard
  
  Liarbor have to build their voting base from something.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:04am
Keeping Stock

Does anyone here know any North Korean language? It would be good to have some of Winston Peters’ infamous anti-Asian quotes transcribed, and sent to Kim Jong Un.
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November 15, 2017 10:02am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I believe the North Korean language is ‘Korean”.
  
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  November 15, 2017 11:44am
  - david
    
    More properly it is Hangul
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hangul is the Korean script/alphabet
      
      Hangugo 한국어 or
      Hangugmal 한국말 is the anglicised version of “Korean Language”
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can provide this service…
  please forward me some good (but short) Peterisms
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve been working on the opening of the letter….
    Do you think 2 of the Dear Leader’s titles is enough?, or should I go for the whole she-bang?
    
    존경받는 김정은 동지, 조선 로동당 위원장과 조선 인민군 최고 사령관에게
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:58pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  I do know that an Asian saying New Korean War sounds a lot like Nuclear War
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:43pm
Manolo

The focus is on Bill Clinton:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/?utm_source=feed

Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right?
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November 15, 2017 10:10am
RF

The more I see of the anxious school girl trying to save the world, I keep thinking about how she reminds me of Nanny McPhee with her staff.

As long as MSM types such as Soper & Paddy grovel at her feet she will get a free run.

There remains the problem.

Meanwhile rather than address our children’s “poverdy” our PM will throw money at the Manus Island criminals.
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November 15, 2017 10:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  Nanny McPhee or with those chompers a Simpsons character. ?
  
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  November 15, 2017 3:04pm
softail 1450

winston may be going to North Korea,,OMG they in all probability may be long lost brothers ,winston and kim peters.
this of course will keep winston from the house where he will be forced to swallow at least 4 or 5 dead rats, for another week or two….
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November 15, 2017 10:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hopefully the Norks won’t interpret this as an act of aggression from NZ given Winston’s weapons-grade ability to fuck up a country’s governance.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:34am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah, Kim likes the company of complete morons. And then he executes them.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_officials_purged_and_executed_by_Kim_Jong-un
    
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/kim-jongun-has-executed-340-people-in-five-years-for-crimes-including-drinking-and-slouching/news-story/32d90b4a691b85b0ac66c802ee263c38
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:32pm
- howitis
  
  Winston is going to North Korea to sort out World Peace.
  Soundbite Cindy will stay at home to sort out Child Poverdy.
  
  By Christmas (or ‘end of year all inclusive non binary LGBTXYZ_Cis festive season’) Soundbite Cindy will have sorted World Peace and worked with Chuldren to take them out of Poverdy!
  
  What more can you ask of a beauty queen contestant?
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:42am
  - Digmen1
    
    There is no way that Kim Jung Un will speak to Winston or anyone. He wont even speak to his erstwhile ally China. He has his own agenda.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:49am
Michael

We’re doomed.
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November 15, 2017 10:26am
VicParking

A look into the mirror of futures past under Jancinda’s socialism world
“The monthly minimum wage in the socialist country of Venezuela has crashed to under four dollars a month as hyperinflation continues to crush the country’s shattered economy.
Despite dictator Nicolás Maduro’s five minimum wage hikes over the course of 2017, the monthly minimum wage of 177,507 bolivares is equivalent to $3.41, working out at just over two cents an hour, according to latest real value exchange rates.”
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November 15, 2017 10:30am
- Digmen1
  
  That’s what happens when you control the economy of a once very rich country.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:55am
JibberJabber

And it begins,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/98893397/wellington-rail-workers-to-strike-on-thursday

Out Brothers out.
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November 15, 2017 10:32am
- Paul Marsden
  
  …Lets do this !
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Will Wellington be shut tomorrow?
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:32pm
    - MrLovebucket
      
      There is soccer on in the afternoon so probably
      
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      November 15, 2017 2:36pm
- GazzaW
  
  Kickoff time Peru v All Whites is 3.15pm Thursday afternoon.
  
  Nothing to do with the strike I suppose.
  
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  November 15, 2017 3:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NCEA exam timetable for tomorrow
  9.30 am Biology Music Biology Art History
  2.00 pm Social Studies Chemistry Home Economics Media Studies
  
  Hope the Kids can get to their exams somehow.
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:40pm
  - Lance
    
    Like the unions give a shit
    
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    November 15, 2017 5:45pm
rangitoto

Had to laugh at Rodrigo Duterte telling Taxinda like it is. Why did my officials insist that I meet with this nitwit?
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November 15, 2017 10:42am
- Digmen1
  
  Duterte is very popular in his country. If you watch some of the videos of his meetings and press conferences, you will see that the people really love him.
  He tells some good jokes, and tells it like it is.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:57am
- howitis
  
  Philippines has real problems with violent moozlems.
  Myanmar is now addressing the issue with their trouble-making rohingya moozlems.
  Thailand has trouble with moozlems in the South
  http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-war-in-southern-thailand-is-longrunning-and-threatens-to-spread-20150526-gha6aa.html
  ….Beheadings, bombings, drive-by shootings, assassinations, extra-judicial killings and vicious assaults have left more than 6300 people dead and at least 11,500 injured since 2004 in south-east Asia’s longest-running war in Thailand’s four southernmost provinces.
  Armed and organised ethnic Malays – almost all of whom are Muslims – are pitted against the predominantly Buddhist Thai state in a cycle of violence that is rarely reported outside of Thailand…..
  
  The All Blacks have trouble with their moozlem getting red and yellow cards at critical times.
  
  Soundbite Cindy just wants to catch up and foist this Shit upon us ASAP
  ..starting with 150 criminal dregs of Manus.
  you can’t start the communist insurgency until you have a state of chaos?
  It already existed in Russia in 1917.
  It existed in China after WW2.
  Chaos must be created at all costs, Comrades.
  
  Let start with a Wellington train strike tomorrow.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:15pm
Digmen1

I had to laugh at the Asean meetings Jacinda in her op shop skirt, was seated next to the Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi who looked very serene in her outfit.
Pro refugee Jacinda next to the women who is presiding over the exodus of 800,000 Rohingas and only 400,000 to go.
I wonder if they said hello to each other!
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November 15, 2017 10:54am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hahaha. Jacinda is certainly going up in the world hanging out with ethnic-cleansing Nobel-winning darlings of the left. That photo of her holding hands is a keeper.
  
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  November 15, 2017 11:46am
- howitis
  
  Supporting the Red Cross and Salvation Army shops with ‘direct action’, Comrades.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Millennials are going to thank Jacinda and Co for this one.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98894073/government-will-absolutely-ensure-gst-is-paid-on-internet-shopping-purchases
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November 15, 2017 12:00pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  will this actually increase the govt’s disposable income after the high costs of administrations are accounted for?
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:05pm
  - Maxx
    
    If it is done like Australia (sales totalling $75k+ annually) has the cost of implementing it isn’t high as the burden is on the foreign retailer to collect it.
    
    Saying that I think it was already being looked at. Digital services were going to be first.
    
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    November 15, 2017 12:49pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      “There’s no such thing as evolution. That we came from a snake? No I don’t believe that.” – Roy Moore
      
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      November 15, 2017 12:51pm
- KevOB
  
  Tax administration is not for amateurs.
  
  Are the goods going to require Customs processing too which is now avoided on these small purchases?
  That could mean import entries and costs and possible need for a Customs agent to deal with the paperwork adding around $150 for buying $250 of goods on Aliexpress.
  For small businesses GST at the border is irrelevant. If it is to be collected then it will only be refunded on the the next scheduled return. The customs and agent costs won’t.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:18pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Love this:
  
  National’s revenue spokeswoman Judith Collins said Nash was “enthusiastic” but did not seem to be across the details of such a proposal.
  
  “Enthusiasm is an excellent thing in a puppy, but probably a minister needs to be a little less.”
  
  She said National had done some work on the issue when it was in Government and it was more complicated than Nash seemed to think.
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:16pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

So far I am really enjoying the CoL government, they are delivering entertaining fuckups and illustrations of their incompetence on pretty much a daily basis, with little real damage done yet.

I realise this is just the calm before the storm and 2018 is going to be really grim when they have pushed NZ into recession.
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November 15, 2017 12:04pm
realityczech

************BREAKING NEWS****************

Labour sells out to big business and cracks down on poor people trying to save a few dollars and avoid our rip off prices for clothing etc in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98894073/government-will-absolutely-ensure-gst-is-paid-on-internet-shopping-purchases
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November 15, 2017 12:16pm
- cmm
  
  Like the water tax…. They’ll get these GST dollars even if it costs $5 for each $1 it brings in!
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:35pm
  - chris
    
    I’m sure you’re aware that companies like Amazon, Apple & Netflix are already collecting GST for digital purchases. It will be pretty trivial to get them to add physical goods to what it’s collected on. Directly imported stuff will still be cheaper than what you can buy here though…
    
    The Aussies are about to do the same thing to, with something like a AU$75k threshold. I only sell about AU$30k to Australia at the moment, but if something I’m doing now works out like I’m hoping, I’ll be over the threshold and have to collect Aussie GST too. All pretty trivial, and hopefully Xero and the Aussie tax office will work out an integrated GST filing system like they do now for the NZ one.
    
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    November 15, 2017 1:15pm
Digmen1

Yes, as you say, we are in the calm before the storm.
Wait til they bring in the really bad stuff.

No 90 day trial
Wage rises killing our exporters.
3 strikes and you free to go
No education standards at all
No charter schools
DPB for anyone who wants it and for life
More refugees
No more roads
Maori this and Maori that
Unions and Strikes
Water tax
No irrigation
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November 15, 2017 12:17pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  well under National it would have been.
  raise gst again.
  lower taxes for those that need it least.
  more crappy under performing charter schools that are a waste of money and are for profit of the management.
  More roads
  more big business and damn the workers
  more jails
  etc etc.
  The definition of stupid is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different result.
  The National party had run out of ideas half way through its first term, and they wanted a fourth.
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:25pm
  - stigie
    
    “more crappy under performing charter schools”
    
    You really are not that educated aye Splurge..?
    
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    November 15, 2017 1:52pm
    - Happychappy
      
      He can’t tell the differnce between 8cm and 8 inches so how could you trust his comments about stupid people. SPLOOGE is what you would call a excuse for a human being and needs to get help for his vivid imagination.
      
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      November 15, 2017 3:37pm
  - Brito
    
    Remember back when we asked for your opinion on this? No? Me neither!
    
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    November 15, 2017 2:06pm
  - starboard
    
    I believe splooooge is Gabby.
    
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    November 15, 2017 4:27pm
    - Brito
      
      SPLOOOGE is crabby. Does that mean he’s infested?
      
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      November 15, 2017 5:16pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      And as usual you’d be wrong.
      
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      November 15, 2017 5:39pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        The amount of butthurt and hostility here is incredible and I revel in your pain and anger.
        Keep it up.
        
        Cue denials.
        
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        November 15, 2017 5:42pm
      - Brito
        
        So…you’re not infested?
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:02pm
cmm

Seen Peak Winston yet? Not even close…

Now he wants to send a kapa haka group to the Norks:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98893828/winston-peters-asked-for-government-cash-to-send-kapa-haka-group-to-north-korea

Kapa haka is really just a bunch of death threats parading as “culture”.

Perhaps UK should send a squad of soccer hooligans.

Perhaps
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November 15, 2017 12:30pm
Longknives

If anyone wants a good laugh check out our friends at The Standard.
The post on Greg O’Connor (think from yesterday)- The comments are hilarious!
They simply can’t bring themselves to accept him because he is an Ex-Cop…and all Cops are rednecks and racists apparently! Oh and they are dragging up the Louise Nicholas thing (again!)

Bad luck Greg- You chose the wrong side when you joined these Loony Tunes Pal!
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November 15, 2017 12:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  How are they dealing with Labour selling them out on the TPPA or whatever it’s called now.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:39pm
- RF
  
  Poor Greg.
  
  The left don’t trust him and his former work mates call him the flip flopper owing his dramatic change of heart concerning arming the Police. He won no friends there….
  
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  November 15, 2017 4:36pm
- treadingthemill
  
  Extremists at the Standard and on Kiwiblog are equally hilarious. And Greg did not choose to side with the extremists on the Standard, he sided with Labour, which is going to increase the number of Police officers after National allowed the numbers to decline to dangerous levels.
  
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  November 15, 2017 4:47pm
SPLOOGE

It’s another lovely tropical day here in North Queensland.
I might move here.
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November 15, 2017 12:51pm
- Inandout
  
  We went to Port Dougy in November and almost died in the heat, jumping between air con shops. The Rendezvous complex we stayed in is now a mostly own-a-unit dump.
  
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  November 15, 2017 12:57pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Was in port douglas a couple of days ago. It was warm but not oppressively so. I like it for the food, the scantily clad women and the fishing.
    
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    November 15, 2017 1:19pm
    - Brito
      
      You’ll never be the man your mum is so those girls will be of no use to you.
      
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      November 15, 2017 2:07pm
- rangitoto
  
  Please do. As long as you remain law abiding the Aussies might let you stay.
  
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  November 15, 2017 1:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Aussie already has an abundance of noxious pests, so it might go un-noticed.
    
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    November 15, 2017 1:24pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Brilliant.
      You’re on fire today UN.
      You should consider a career in stand up.
      
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      November 15, 2017 1:26pm
- softail 1450
  
  I’m sure you’re expecting this splodge ,so here it is,
  please do move there ,and take your bovva boy mate realitychoke with you….
  I’ll gladly come help you load your mobility scooter and zimmerframe,don’t forget your mouth pencil for the operation of your keyboard….bullshitter.
  
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  November 15, 2017 3:03pm
- starboard
  
  Yep you”ll fit right in with your extensive criminal record splurge.
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:03pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Well of course one cannot visit if they have a criminal record.
    And that reality idiot. I wouldn’t know him to piss on him.
    On Magnetic island for a few days.
    Lovely place.
    If you fat idiots ever drag your sorry arses from your piss stained chairs I’d recommend it.
    But do keep your clothes on, this place really is for the beautiful people, people like me.
    
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    November 15, 2017 5:46pm
    - Brito
      
      You must get pissed off that people think that just because you’re ugly you’ve got a good personality.
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:05pm
chiz

Military coup may be under way in Zimbabwe.
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November 15, 2017 2:07pm
- realityczech
  
  In Africa there is always either a coup underway or just starting.
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  yup, they know how to get rid of unwanted and selected governments. Interesting thing is that often coups take place when the boss is overseas… Got any Generals here not too enamoured with Cinderella or the Drunken Dwarf?
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:14pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why is this idiot Davis answering all the questions in bloody Maori?
What a farce.
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November 15, 2017 2:12pm
- GazzaW
  
  You beat me to the draw Captain. Absolute arrogance on Labour’s part. The MPs may have translation services but we the taxpayers do not. It is our Parliament not Kelvin Davies and it is our right to fully understand the debates.
  
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  November 15, 2017 2:22pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Here is the translation for you for each of his answers.
  
  “I have no idea, we don’t know what we are doing. I’m only replying in maori to try and disguise this”
  
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  November 15, 2017 2:25pm
  - Lance
    
    lol
    
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    November 15, 2017 3:45pm
- Longknives
  
  More Virtue Signalling from Labour- Just like the all the screaming babies in Parliament they are just waiting for someone from the Right to query it so they can scream Blue Murder..
  
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  November 15, 2017 2:41pm
- Digmen1
  
  It really is time we got rid of the Maori language as an official language
  It really is only a pigeon language with about 400 of its own words.
  No grammer and no literature.
  
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  November 15, 2017 3:07pm
  - wiseowl
    
    If you think about the word ‘official’ what does it mean?
    
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    November 15, 2017 3:29pm
- RF
  
  Captain.
  
  That’s easy. He does not have any answers to questions in the house so he reverts back to Maori knowing that 95% won’t have a clue what he is saying.
  
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  November 15, 2017 4:39pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Because he can’t speak a proper England wot like we do?
  Eh your fullas
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:39pm
GazzaW

Thanks Mr LB. Do you know what the Maori translation is for ‘In due course’ ? That seems to be Davies’ general response which in turn means ‘I will need to speak with Our Glorious Leader’.
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November 15, 2017 2:42pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  ‘In due course’ means keep my mouth shut if I want to be acting PM now and again.
  Code for telling himself to STFU
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:42pm
Manolo

Family secrets:
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/levin-gop-leaders-must-resign-over-sexual-harassment-in-congress
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November 15, 2017 2:45pm
rangitoto

Sounds like a coup under way in Zimabwe.
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November 15, 2017 3:47pm
cmm

At last someone in the MSM gets one of the main problems with driverless vehicles:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/98896449/the-problem-with-driverless-cars-is-they-arent-programmed-to-bend-road-rules

We’ve had automatic pilots for ships and planes for decades, yet driverless vehicles are not a reality yet.

The main reason for this is that the sky and the sea are highly predictable environments. Sheep and kids don’t run across the road in front of you.

There is also some leeway in the precision and accuracy of the control functions. A ship that is a few metres off its desired track or a plane that is a few tens of metres high or low are not going to cause a problem. It is a completely different matter with land vehicles.

But by far the largest issue is identifying and navigating unexpected hazards.

If you see something moving on the road you’re probably going to make a pretty good determination of whether it is just an old crisp packet discarded by a lout and can be safely run over or whether it is Paddles, the PMs ex-cat that should preferably be avoided. Computerised vision would really struggle to make the determination.

When a human driving through Christchurch comes up to road works which might require going into new lanes, stopping for a stop/go sign or such, a human can cope pretty well. Computers generally have very fixed algorithms and just might not cope so well.

Come to a four-way stop (or for that matter an idoit driver making mistakes) and human drivers are pretty good at determining what to do and figuring things out on the fly. Software – not so much. It is quite conceivable that two driverless cars could wait for hours waiting for the other vehicle to go – just because they don’t have the ability to interact with each other effectively. What’s going to happen when a vehicle using Toyota’s V1.2 software does not negotiate well with Honda’s V1.3 software?

I’ve worked with control systems on and off for the last 30+ years. They”re a nightmare to get right even in very constrained environments. Out on the roads it’s going to be a nightmare.
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November 15, 2017 3:54pm
- nasska
  
  Agreed that on suburban or country roads automatic control is likely to cause gridlock or mayhem.
  
  But what about motorways? I’ve read that following distances could be as little as one car length as the computer sensors could cope thus allowing more vehicles on the road at any one time.
  
  IOW just like the kamikaze idiots drive on the Southern Motorway now.
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:20pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I’ve read that following distances could be as little as one car length as the computer sensors could cope”
    
    Unlike the tires, brakes and the occupant who will be subject to fatal G levels if it did actually stop in that distance.
    
    It is a wankfest of urban types who think all roads are sealed and orderly. They need to get out more.
    
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    November 15, 2017 5:51pm
Happychappy

How did sweet cheeks address his not so imaginary whole in the Labour coalition budget today after criticism from some of NZ’s leading Economist’s in their not so glowing report through the media today. His argument that Steven Joyce should apologise for his claim about the 11 billion hole is being pulled apart and
it could double by the time Labour get to produce their mini budget.
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November 15, 2017 4:11pm
starboard

Poto williams speaker of the house !!!??? Bawhaha !!
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November 15, 2017 4:15pm
dime

Transcript from the house today:

1. TAMATI COFFEY to the Minister of Finance: What reports has he received on the forecast for the New Zealand economy?

On my first day as minister I received a glowing forecast. Unfortunately the jam fell out of my donut and made the paper all blurry. There was another copy down the hall but we are talking at least 30 metres away. I cant waste that sort of energy walking that far.

Yesterday I received another report saying we are fucked if I continue but they are just wreckers & haters.

2. Rt Hon BILL ENGLISH to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government’s policies?

I will never lie and yes I do. As long as everyone feels amazing. And by everyone, I mean the people I associate with. I also stand by my DJ career. Us young people love the dj’ing. Im so young and fertile.

3. Hon STEVEN JOYCE to the Minister of Finance: Can he confirm core Crown net debt was $59.5 billion at 30 June 2017, and that it is his intention as Minister of Finance to increase net debt to $67.6 billion by 2022, as laid out in Labour’s pre-election Fiscal Plan?

I don’t understand the question. What I will say is student unions should be compulsory to join and we need money.

4. JO LUXTON to the Minister of Education: Is he confident that schools will be able to recruit enough teachers next year to fully staff classrooms, particularly in Auckland?

Wah wah wah national wah wah wah national wah wah charter schools wah wah I live with mum.

5. Hon NIKKI KAYE to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by his statement that National Standards “will be gone very quickly”; if so, why?

Wah wah wah national. National standards also bad. The unions said if I get rid of national standards I can go to the disco next weekend.

6. Hon JUDITH COLLINS to the Minister of Transport: Is he satisfied that cancelling the East-West Link Road of National Significance will be beneficial to transport in Auckland?

Oh its going to be amazing. We predict that the radio stations will continue to make good profits as drivers sit in their vehicles for record amounts of time. They will also use more fuel, adding to the tax take and our new 10cents a litre tax. Its going to be wonderful.

7. MARAMA DAVIDSON to the Minister for Women: What is the most recent data she’s received on the gender pay gap?

Please allow me to respond with pure garbage. If I was being honest id say the gender pay gap is about as real as my imaginary pet unicorn.

8. Hon SIMON BRIDGES to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: When does he think that decisions on significant initiatives under the Regional Development (Provincial Growth) Fund will start being made, and when will the first of these projects physically start?

Oh god is this my question now?? Just another minute, im almost finished *fap fap fap*

9. Hon LOUISE UPSTON to the Minister for Social Development: What are the exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions aren’t imposed on sole parents who don’t name the other parent?

Skanks gonna pay more
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November 15, 2017 4:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Good stuff dime. You win the Internet for one day. It’s a bit late so you can have it tomorrow. Cindy said it’s ok. She also said she loves Capitalists deep down – for paying her so much, but don’t quote me on that
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:53pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks dime. Oral question time is turning out to be the fun to watch coverage we expected. Likewise Mallard is proving totally inept in his roll as Speaker but essential to save Ministers struggling to understand the simple question/answer format.
  
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  November 15, 2017 7:51pm
Johnboy

Anyone been brave enough to push “View more” on the Russia Matches.com? 🙂
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November 15, 2017 4:44pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t do it JB! For a man of your advanced years the excitement might prove to be all too much. 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:26pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Like tornados: Starts with minor blowing, but you end up losing your house.
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:35pm
- Johnboy
  
  I always thought Russia wasn’t renowned as a quality sheep breeding country. Thanks for your wise advice chaps! 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2017 5:55pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Why ask me? Ask Hillary.
  Oh maybe not if you like your life as it is
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:56pm
RF

Has the worm turned at last.

Keri & Mark on NewsTalk ZB were discussing trout mouths continual attempts to bring the Manus Island criminals to NZ for R&R.

Surprisingly when I was listening to them they were dead against it as we should sort out our own problems first.

They were also concerned that Aussie will be getting very pissed off with her nagging.
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November 15, 2017 4:48pm
krazykiwi

Taking The Plunge – Satisfaction with French Presidents after their first 100 days.

Macron is getting a kicking.
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November 15, 2017 4:49pm
- cmm
  
  Jacinda would give her eye teeth for what Macron has dropped to.
  
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  November 15, 2017 4:54pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Her mate Trudeau is in a similar predicament. His net approval rating is now negative.
    
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    November 15, 2017 4:59pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/14/populist-french-mayor-told-remove-nativity-city-hall/

“In a class in the city centre of my town, 91 per cent of the children are Muslims. Obviously, this is a problem. There are limits to tolerance,” he said and later mentioned the “Great Replacement”, a term for rapid large-scale demographic changes coined by French author Renaud Camus.

Last month, the French administrative courts made a similar ruling when they ordered a cross above a statue of former Pope John Paul II to be removed.

In response, the Hungarian government offered to take the cross with Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó commenting: “Is it really true that in 21st century Europe we are removing a Christian symbol? It everyone entitled to religious freedom except for Christians?”
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November 15, 2017 4:51pm
Ross12

I heard on radio this morning that Alibaba’s annual “singles day” ( for 2017 it was last Saturday) generated US$25 billion in sales. Just reading that their competitor JD.com generated US$19 billion with their equivalent sale –but theirs is over a longer time frame –Nov 1-12.
It really helps put the size of the Chinese economy in perspective ( even if these sales have become a bit of a fad)
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November 15, 2017 5:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Ross, Alibaba’s consumer arm, Aliexpress, is also making big sales in Asia, and even Australia and NZ. Alibaba seems to be looking at setting up a base in Australia to compete with Amazon.
  
  Like Amazon, Alibaba has diversified into computer server centres.
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:06pm
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    A competition with Amazon in Aussie would be interesting watch. Alibaba is much bigger than Amazon and much more efficient ( they make more money per transaction Amazon –that should not be interpreted as having higher margins)
    
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    November 15, 2017 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Where’s ~~Wally~~ Jacinda?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/asean-summit-silence-rohingya-absolute-travesty-171114211156144.html
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November 15, 2017 5:54pm
- Johnboy
  
  There’s plenty of room for 600,000 Rohingya in the Maniototo surely Maggy. Think of the boost they would give to the economy of Ranfurly and Naseby say! 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, Johnboy, but don’t let in any of the tens of thousands of Christian Karen who have been persecuted in Burma/Myanmar for about 60 years. Many of them have fled to Thailand, to a life of dismal camps and exploitation.
    
    But the UN refugee channels have correctly shut out the Christians.
    
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    November 15, 2017 6:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are meant to locate the 13th most powerful woman in the political world in that photo!
    
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/top/342900/ardern-makes-list-of-most-powerful-women-in-global-politics
    
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    November 15, 2017 7:08pm
Jack5

Have the NZ Greens ditched environmentalism?

That’s what I wonder after listening to the maiden speech of Green MP Golriz Ghahraman.
Revolution in Iran, NZ land whose ownership

She mentioned, touched on, or spoke of the Iranian revolution against Western imperialism, of NZ land whose ownerhip had never been ceded, of Trump’s America, of foreign business interests, of the poverty of some Auckland children, of ethnic diversity, of international business, of rights to education, of how Governments can be held to account for breaching international rights, and so on.

But there was extremely little mention of the environment. The title, “Greens,” is now a colour mismatch.
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November 15, 2017 6:02pm
- realityczech
  
  “Have the NZ Greens ditched environmentalism?”
  
  They never adopted it except as a way to gather votes. They are a hard left political group.
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:11pm
Lucia Maria

The Russians have been busy in Britain …

Russia attacked energy, telecom and media in Britain, official says

Russian cyber operatives have attacked Britain’s media, telecommunications and energy sectors over the past year, according to prepared remarks by the head of the government’s main cyber defense agency.

Ciaran Martin, chief executive of the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC), declined to provide any details on the attacks in a speech scheduled for Wednesday in London.

The remarks follow comments on Monday from Prime Minister Theresa May in which she accused Russia of spreading disinformation and meddling in elections…

Should keep the trolls on overtime trying to counter/distract from this. Once they get the word on what to say, that is.
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November 15, 2017 6:04pm
- realityczech
  
  US Officials Won’t Say if a New Anti–Russia Propaganda Project Is Targeting Americans
  The newly created Global Engagement Center’s “focus and intent” is foreign audiences, but officials won’t rule out propagandizing Americans and funding American journalists.
  
  When asked by The Nation if the State Department was targeting Americans or paying American journalists, State Department spokesperson Nicole Thompson wouldn’t say they weren’t, only that, “the Global Engagement Center targets its messaging at foreign audiences abroad.”
  
  https://www.thenation.com/article/us-officials-wont-say-if-a-new-anti-russia-propaganda-project-is-targeting-americans/
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:20pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Old news from March.
    
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    November 15, 2017 6:37pm
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      “March” LOL 🙂
      
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      November 15, 2017 7:18pm
realityczech

New book examines Poles who killed Jews during WWII

A history professor records the massacres of Jews by their neighbors in his native Poland, until now a little-told chapter of Holocaust history

WARSAW — He has suffered death threats, is boycotted in the Canadian Polish community where he lives today, and is not always welcome even in his homeland, but eminent Polish historian Jan Grabowski will not give up his struggle to expose the truth.

The son of a Holocaust survivor, Grabowski, 50, is a graduate of Warsaw University and is currently a history professor at University of Ottawa. For the past several years he has published a number of books with a common theme — Polish participation in the killings of their Jewish neighbors.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-book-examines-poles-who-killed-jews-during-wwii/
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November 15, 2017 6:08pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  And I bet you’ve never even read it, this “new book” from 2013.
  
  At home in my personal library, I have the hardcopy of The Massacre in Jedwabne by Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, published 2005.
  
  It’s not like this concept of some Poles complicit in the murder of Jews is new.
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:17pm
realityczech

Polish hatred for Jews continues. This sickening attack happened just 5 days ago.

Stamford Hill woman attacked by man shouting ‘Jew’ in Polish

A 70-year-old has been hospitalised with concussion after being attacked by an assailant who called her “Zyd,” Polish for “Jew.

The male attacker smashed her head into a brick wall while shouting “Zyd” during the attack on Saturday afternoon in Stamford Hill, which has a large Orthodox Jewish population, the London-based Campaign Against Anti-Semitism reported on its website.
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/stamford-hill-woman-attacked-by-man-shouting-jew-in-polish/
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November 15, 2017 6:15pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Obviously, the aim here is to distract from my post regarding Russia attacked energy, telecom and media in Britain, official says in the news today.
  
  Just goes to prove who you really work for.
  
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  November 15, 2017 6:19pm
  - realityczech
    
    Not ANOTHER conspiracy ❗
    
    How ever do you keep up with them all ?
    
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    November 15, 2017 6:21pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Fortunately, it’s not just me keeping up.
      
      The Russian Troll Farm That Weaponized Facebook Had American Boots on the Ground
      
      St Petersburg ‘troll farm’ had 90 dedicated staff working to influence US election campaign
      
      I’m sure you’ll soldier on and try to ignore all this, though. For the cause. Or just to be paid.
      
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      November 15, 2017 6:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yep it used to be Jews you people persecuted and made up conspiracy theories about, now it’s Russians. Always someone with you lot.
        
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        November 15, 2017 7:10pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        That’s lame for 40 minutes worth of thinking.
        
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        November 15, 2017 7:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        Realityczech at 6:21 uses the famous ❗ – the red exclamation trademark of Kea! As distinctive as Zorro’s z-zip with his sword.
        
        Gotcha, ya old troll. ?
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie you need to calm down. There is no conspiracy. Speak to your Rabbi about your strange thoughts.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      Do you hate all Russians or only the Zyd Russians ?
      
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      November 15, 2017 7:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Zyd, or Żyd, is a Polish term for Jew. The comparative Russian term, in Cyrllic, is pronounced more like zheed, or zheet.
        
        Obviously they’re like the English slang term Yid. They all relate to Yiddish, the German-influenced language of European Jews.
        
        Yiddish could be described as a German Pidgin, much in the way as macronised, part-Maori English as promoted by Radio NZ and the rest of the media, is New Zealand Pidgin.
        
        Tieki5
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:29pm
  - Johnboy
    
    If you feel you need further distraction from all the nasty wreckers and haters here on KB Lucia the doors of Chateau Johnboy will always be open for you so you can find an understanding shoulder to cry on. 🙂
    
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    November 15, 2017 6:25pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Awwww.. thanks, Johnboy, you are so sweet.
      
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      November 15, 2017 6:31pm
      - stigie
        
        Blossom thinks so too !~
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:02pm
Digmen1

I’d love to see a snap poll on if we should take any of the Manus island men.
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November 15, 2017 6:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Here I was thinking that there were mistreated refugees? But they are men? young men? with no family? most from – ohh Sudan? How the fuck did they get to Indonesia or Malaysia?
  Hey, what is wrong with this picture Rt Honourable Ms Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand???????
  
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  November 15, 2017 7:08pm
  - nasska
    
    This is getting to be a rerun of the Tampa farce where dogooders & Godnutters blackmailed the NZ government to take 150 useless eaters from Afghanistan.
    
    Before we get all weepy & cuddly let’s hear about what brilliant citizens they all turned out to be. Not just the odd individual who became a doctor…..let’s find out about those like the scum who terrorise the slums in Lower Hutt.
    
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    November 15, 2017 7:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      Nasska, time also to look at the charity tax-free status of Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated.
      
      This organisation, which once existed to champion the plight of political refugees, is actively supporting the illegal border crashers at Manus. And it is trying to influence NZ to take them in.
      
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      November 15, 2017 8:42pm
      - nasska
        
        Same as the Salvation Army & Save the Children Jack.
        
        They started out alright promoting good causes then got taken over by the rabid, headcases of the Left. The second a charity starts lobbying that’s the time to ditch them.
        
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        November 15, 2017 8:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        Amnesty International is only concerned about the rights of radical lefties. The -helping the helpless- is just their PR wing gathering $$$.
        
        Same as Greenpeace who use Harp seals to bring in the money to finance political activism.
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:00pm
RF

Family BBQ today.

All have expressed surprise how much Jacinda has pissed off everyone including some of her supporters.

She is trying to destroy anything National proposed and re-invent the wheel.

Usually the honeymoon period lasts up to a year.

She has blown it in 3 weeks.

A record…..
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November 15, 2017 7:16pm
stigie

“She has blown it in 3 weeks.”
How long has she been away from Gayford..?
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November 15, 2017 8:07pm
starboard

Arden is so far out of her depth, its embarrassing.
Not my PM.
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November 15, 2017 8:41pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDuPccLON4

Nick Griffin blasts EU over European genocide
Published on Mar 14, 2014

North West England MEP and British National Party Chairman Nick Griffin tells the truth on immigration sparking huge row with Portuguese Socialist MEP during debate on Asylum.

“When the godfather of the European Union, Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, published the plan for a united Europe and the ethnocide of the peoples of Europe, the encouragement of mass non-white immigration was central to the plot. Since then, an unholy alliance of leftists, capitalists and Zionist supremacists has schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation with the deliberate aim of breeding us out of existence in our homelands.

As indigenous resistance to this human genetic-modification industry grows, the criminal elite seeks new ways to camouflage their project. First, their immigrant pawns were temporary guest workers; then it was a multiracial experiment; then they were refugees, and then the answer to a shrinking population. Different excuses, different lies — and asylum is just another one. But the real aim stays the same: the biggest genocide in human history, the final solution to the Christian European problem. This crime demands a new set of Nuremberg trials, and you people will be in the dock.”
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November 15, 2017 8:43pm
Left Right and Centre

Celebrating ~~Asians~~ diversity with your host, Left Right Out . . .

I’m getting ready to leave a library. It is exactly closing time – it has an area between two sets of main automatic doors, and I’m there – sorting myself out because getting on a pushbike is next.

Today’s farking superstar fob Chinese librarian woman informs me ‘ aaaaaah, you have to library now’.

REALLY ?? WTF does it look like I’m doing to you, you shit for brains intro phrasebook English level comprehending dumbarse fob motherfker !!

And there’s a shit ton of them just like that – all the bloody same.

Next time I’m just going to say – sorry, I no speaky da English – can you say again – I love you long time Joe, oh library close now ? But I want to stay here all night and love library for long time, wah ? Self-checkout robot for brains – sheesh – give me strength.

That useless dickhead has a job at a library – fuck me.
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November 15, 2017 8:45pm
- nasska
  
  Diversity’s not doing it for you then LR&C? 🙂
  
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  November 15, 2017 8:51pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    They can’t all be Odakyu-sen Nazz. Shame.
    This country is being fucked like a pack rape mate.
    
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    November 15, 2017 9:08pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      When NZ gets to 15% then 20% fob Asians – I won’t be here – simple as that. Born in the UK – and that’s fairly fucked as well, but not that much.
      
      If I have to live in Wales, or Scotland, or Cornwall to get away from them – then that’s what I’ll do.
      
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      November 15, 2017 9:17pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Farking library jobs – that is just bullshit PC diversity quotas.
        Those losers got the job – because they’re a fob.
        
        No other fucker would go near them with their shithouse bare minimum English speaking skills and Big Bird personality and intellect.
        
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        November 15, 2017 9:41pm
Digmen1

Yes we need to find out what happens to all the refugees that we have taken over the last 20 years.
How many are:-
Doctors
Nurses
Cleaners
muslim clerics
Bus Drivers
Unemployed
Left NZ
Have their own business
In Jail
Still in a refugee hostel

This info must be available
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November 15, 2017 8:58pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  The thing is though Digmen1, diversity was never meant to “enrich” us, it’s only a cover for white genocide.
  
  As Rodney Randall points out above, this is the biggest genocide in history. No Asian country or African country is having it’s demographic changed beyond all recognition.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:10pm
  - Digmen1
    
    The really annoying thin is that we were never asked if we wanted to be changed from a European country with some Maori’s to a “multi cultural” potential hellhole.
    
    If I go to Japan, I will see Japanese people, if I go to Poland I will see Poles. If I go to Vietnam, I will see Vietnamese.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:03am
Brito

I see the Iranian Green lawyer MP (as she calls herself) was on the defence team of a 13 year old child who killed a person by throwing a piece of concrete off a motorway over-bridge onto a car.

Huge amount of sympathy displayed in her maiden speech towards this poor child, this victim of repression. But not one, not even an acknowledgement toward the person who was killed (because he was a white male). What a sanctimonious cow!
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November 15, 2017 9:09pm
- starboard
  
  Hows that big mouthed greenie Chloe Swarbrick. Watched it on Parliament tv today. Sanctimonious little fuckin upstart. Get back in the kitchen..make me some eggs $%/€=!. LOVES mouldys.
  Mentioned evil colonisation countless times. Another foxtrot oscar.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:23pm
  - Brito
    
    I watched her get up to deliver her maiden speech and even though I’m not a proctologist I recognise an arsehole when I see one…and she is one.
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Absolute bitch of a Green that one.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:48pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  A day or two ago a commenter posted about an online radio interview that featured Golriz discussing an instrumental role she played in the removal of religious formality at Oxford University i.e. dinner prayer?
  
  Would be interested in a link to the interview.
  
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  November 15, 2017 9:55pm
  - Brito
    
    That was me. It was on RNZ. Interview with Kim Hill (maybe).
    
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    November 15, 2017 10:07pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Thank you Brito.
      
      There are some alarming irregularities in what Golriz professes to defend with respect to human rights.
      
      Well worth further investigation.
      
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      November 15, 2017 10:13pm
starboard

Arden is a faux Prime Minister. She has no right to import filth into NZ, against the wishes of most NZ’ers. Foxtrot Oscar Be-atch.
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November 15, 2017 9:16pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.noted.co.nz/life/sport/my-life-in-clothes-green-party-candidate-golriz-ghahraman/

“I was nine when my family came to New Zealand. We lived in Iran during the 80s, which was the first post-revolutionary decade, and the most repressive. It was particularly vicious in attacking women, minorities and political dissidents. The year I was born, they introduced the hijab as compulsory Islamic wear for women. A million women marched against it. It was 1981. They really resisted, at gunpoint.” – Golriz Gharahman

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/metro-magazine-nz/20170629/281629600284813

“As a human rights advocate I’d fight to the death for someones right to wear the Hijab” – Golriz Gharahman

wtf? She woud fight, to the death, for the right of a women to be oppressed?

Am I missing something here??
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November 15, 2017 10:07pm
- Brito
  
  Here’s an opportunity Rodney! Let’s make it illegal to wear the thing and watch her fight…some schmuck to the death…end of problem.
  
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  November 15, 2017 10:17pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    hahahaha. Brilliant.
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    November 15, 2017 10:29pm
- simpleton1
  
  “As a human rights advocate I’d fight to the death for someones right to wear the Hijab” – Golriz Gharahman
  
  Why the hijab?
  Would she fight for Prince Harry or EAD to wear his SS uniform? or any one to wear the swastika?
  
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  November 16, 2017 3:07am
rangitoto

Local petrol stations bumped their price again today. Thanks Winston and Taxinda. Then we still have the tax hike to look forward to.
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November 15, 2017 10:14pm
Digmen1

I liked MMP, but it does bring in to the house some really evil people with evil agendas.

We should bombard them with emails telling them why we do not like them.
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