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krazykiwi

Yesterday we learned that the Brexit Party was polling ahead of the Conservatives in the UK general election. Today’s news is that the Brexit party has more support than Conservatives & Labour combined in the lead up to the 2019 European Parliamentary elections.

Teressa May’s disastrous, and some would say treacherous, attempts to keep the UK committed to the failing European Project seems to be generating quite a backlash, rather than the exhausted capitulation she was probably hoping for. Good news for democracy.
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May 13, 2019 8:00am
- coge
  
  BBC have tried to bag Farage with a gotcha moment. Bit of an own goal. That will just infuriate the Brexiteers even more.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:25am
- Ross12
  
  A refreshingly honest comment from a Conservative MEP .
  https://brexitcentral.com/off-i-head-on-the-euro-election-campaign-trail-without-a-manifesto-or-a-slogan/
  
  I’ll repeat my opinion from a few weeks ago –National should take a look at this website and add something very similar to their communications strategy. Invite opinion pieces from a whole range of people, not just National MPS or party people. Keep most of them relatively short and to the point. eg. If they had one, they could get farmers/agriculture industry people giving their view on the methane issue in Shaw’s proposed bill.
  
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  May 13, 2019 12:40pm
hullkiwi

Oh dear, Mark Z (of Facebook fame) is not going to participate in Jacinda’s Christchurch call. Is it surprising he will not participate, given that for the last 2 months Jacinda and her mates have been painting Zuckerberg and his company as the devil incarnate?
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May 13, 2019 8:06am
- Prince
  
  At the start only heads of Sate and leaders of major IT firms would be there, at this global ‘call to arms’.
  
  So only 5 leaders turn up, Ireland, Senegal, Jordan, Norway, Indonesia.
  And no IT gurus.
  
  But watch our media try to turn it into a triumph for our international ‘star’.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:34am
  - Alien
    
    The media have done the opposite of what you claim. They’ve pointed out it excludes the Asian social media platforms, and that the important players like mark and trump aren’t going
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:06am
    - Prince
      
      Really ? Someone forgot to tell chief cheerleader Henry Cook.
      ‘Ardern arrives in Paris late on Monday (NZ time) and has a smattering of meetings with the various world leaders planned across the week. But the big day is Wednesday – Thursday night in NZ – when she will meet tech leaders at a roundtable in the morning and then again for a formal meeting with other world leaders later in the day’
      
      If you can stomach it, note the photo. Ardern now seems to have a halo around her head as she ponders the deep troubles in the world. I wonder how many takes that took.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112642551/jacinda-ardern-saw-the-christchurch-video-and-will-try-and-stop-something-like-that-happening-ever-again
      
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      May 13, 2019 11:25am
      - Rich Prick
        
        That photo! ??? It’s shameless.
        
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        May 13, 2019 11:37am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I agree with RP. That is a shameless image of our PM … crafted to depict her as some kind of concerned angel.
        
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        May 13, 2019 12:08pm
- cmm
  
  Although I have little time for Zuckerboy, I must say I don’t blame him.
  
  It would just be voluntarily handing himself over for a public flogging.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:39am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy said she spoke to Mark Z on the phone. That was probably enough berating and virtue signalling to take. No need to be in the room in Paris and be told again he is responsible for all the ills in the world.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:43am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yep. He almost certainly now has a full understanding of what Cindy knows about the subject and what sort of results she will be capable of delivering. He obviously didn’t think it was worth making the trip to shoot a selfie with her either.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  Oh God, is Cindy off fixing the world again? What about our starving babies?
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:45am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Have they just become an annoyance? A bit like worrying about the plight of small businesspeople… No one said running a country would actually have so many boring details!
    
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    May 13, 2019 8:54am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or our beaten ones
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:14am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Donald Trump won’t be there either – just rude!
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:53am
  - pdm
    
    Perhaps Ardern should not have described him as `ORANGE’ the first time she stumbled across him.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I see they are attacking the “GAB”
  alternative to Twitter.
  Saying it is “white supremacist”
  I have seen it
  It allows anyone to post almost anything, without moderation.
  So yes you do
  have “white supremacists” on there
  you do have “racists” on there
  you do have “anti muslim” views on there
  you do have “anti Semitic” views on there
  you do have “pro Nazi” views on there
  but
  you do have “uplifting” bible quotes on there
  you do have friend connections on there
  you do have “current affairs” on there
  you do have all political views on there
  BUT
  something Paddy Gower didn’t notice or say
  1. This genuine freedom of speech
  2. The nasty things, don’t stay on the front page long, they are quickly voted down and off the page
  3. The uplifting stuff and the political comment are far more prevalent and discussed the most.
  To Paddy:
  There is no such thing as hate speech, just speech you hate.
  I include myself in this, but unlike you, I don’t want to ban them or shut them up, in any way.
  The best way to combat these people is to start by KNOWING who they really are and what they really believe.
  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:09am
  - Sacha
    
    RW Capitalist: Jordan Peterson has a good session on free speech, and makes this very point. We need to know what people really believe, to know their intentions.
    On the whole words are cheap, but they can on occasion lead to action.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:41am
  - double d
    
    That rant from Paddy this morning was very frightening especially as his interviewer asked him questions such as “how can we close them down”.
    Free speech in at stake when such lightweights have such woke views – it seemed from Paddy’s comments that their was an underground army of extremists holding right wing views that posed a danger to NZ – in my humble view it is a handful of f-wits that have fringe views and idiots like Gower give them too much credence.
    The really annoying thing is this knee jerk to closing down opinions …..
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:50am
- The Feed
  
  Yet another CV pumping exercise.
  
  Nothing will come of it. Photos. Virtue signalling of stomach churning proportions. Mainstream media behaving like teenage girls at a boyband concert. Gullible 30% of New Zealanders convinced New Zealand is “influential on the world stage”.
  
  Then back to usual programming.
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Is Zuckerberg as orange as she thought he would be?
  
  The woman is a freaking disaster and continuing didilsappointment for New Zealand
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:13am
Lee C

I’m not sure it was a good idea to announce $27 mill for an un-needed clean energy facility in Taranaki, while launching a costly referendum on cannabis, and telling the teachers, ‘there’s no more money…’.

Meanwhile people are protesting about the upsurge of mental health issues, coupled with a down-surge of funding,.

Clark sacking DHB boards, abolishing accountability and the Herald is now running articles about poverty and homelessness.

The farmers are sold down the river by Wnston ‘keeping governments honest’ Peters in his sop to the Greens given so that he could feather his own nest with the waka-jumping Act.

The Greens get more dead-rat as their cannabis law change ‘bottom line’ negotiating chip is pissed on.

Meanwhile, teachers and doctors strike, NCEA results tumble and people still live in cars and garages.

But fear not!

The Empress Jacinda can cure ‘nine years of neglect’ with a hug.

Let them eat hash-cake, eh?
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May 13, 2019 8:10am
- cmm
  
  This New Hydrogen Economy stuff is complete bullshit.
  
  It is a huge taxpayer funded trough that the unscrupulous can plunder with zero accountability.
  
  Let people undertake these ridiculous enterprises with their own money.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:18am
  - freethinker
    
    It helps if you either explain or provide links to –
    these ridiculous enterprises – so others are better informed to judge.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:24am
    - rangitoto
      
      It has been discussed lots here before. There are specific industrial uses of hydrogen such as the Haber process but using hydrogen as a fuel (except for some specialised cases such as rocketry) is dumb. The most economical way of producing hydrogen is via steam reforming of natural gas, so just use the natural gas and avoid the expensive and difficult technical issues of storing and transporting hydrogen.
      
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      May 13, 2019 11:39am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right cmm thought that was why tax relief was given to R&D we hear so much about? Most will have noted this latest move in Taranaki is more like the ultimate “working group” of the old Labour style. No measurable benefits sort or required.
    
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    May 13, 2019 1:43pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern reveals she inadvertently saw the Christchurch mosque shootings video – Herald

In an average length article however, there seems to be no mention of when the Prime Minister saw the video – hours or days after the event – in what context, on what platform [“I use Facebook, Instagram and occasionally Twitter”], how long she took to recognise what it was, and then how much of the 16 minutes 55 seconds she watched.

Given Ardern “inadvertently” saw this material, was it after the footage was banned by New Zealand’s chief censor four days after the shootings, on pain of a fine of up to $10,000 or up to 14 years in jail for sharing the clip, defined as “objectionable” material, and if so has she reported it to the Police, or had anyone determine who Forwarded or posted it to her, or placed it on a platform so she received it?

And, why is the fact that indeed she has seen it, released in the New York Times on the eve of her travel to France for this week’s international anti-terrorism tech summit in Paris?

“I use and manage my social media just like anyone else. I know the reach of this video was vast, because I too inadvertently saw it” – Ardern herself writing in an op-ed article published this weekend in the New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/opinion/sunday/jacinda-ardern-social-media.html#commentsContainer

Why do I feel New Zealand citizens finding out now that she has seen the video – having commented on it for weeks, but not mentioning herself actually viewing it – is itself a little “inadvertent”.
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And from comments on her New York Times article –
A police officer commits a brutal assault on a member of a minority group, and bystanders capture it on video (as often happens). They are unable to upload it to the internet, however, because the technology Ms. Ardern is calling for has been perfected. The result is that society remains unaware of the systemic injustice being committed against minorities, and while the internet is sanitized of violence, the violence in the real world continues unabated. – JB, New Orleans, LA

Can she be our President? Articulate, thoughtful and on point. – Robert, Hawaii

“Articulate, thoughtful and on point”? Not quite, Robert, since you knew about it in Hawaii, via the New York Times, before we did in New Zealand. Next, you will find out exactly what Ardern and Macron and Lizzie Marvelly are intending to do, before Matthew Hooton or we are told.
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May 13, 2019 8:11am
- cmm
  
  She inadvertently saw it? How much?
  
  Pretty much everyone would have seen a few frame grabs and a snippet or two that were on various news channels etc.
  
  Did she inadvertently watch the whole thing?
  
  Sounds like a new defence for kiddy porn: I inadvertently stumbled upon this awful website, inadvertently entered my credit card details and inadvertently downloaded 7 Gbytes of videos which I inadvertently watched 4 times and inadvertently shared with my mates.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:22am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So, she passed laws
    anti gun
    anti free speech
    etc etc
    without the full facts!!!
    Sounds like a Labour Govt. to me.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:13am
    - septic skeptic
      
      IMO, a competent and responsible PM would have watched the footage and read the manifesto as well as taking briefings from the various authorities. There should be nothing inadvertent about it, the PM should be fully informed.
      
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      May 13, 2019 9:44am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        and
        wish to be “fully informed” before acting.
        Her response indicates, to me, this was purely a political response and attempt to by votes in the next poll.
        
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        May 13, 2019 10:34am
      - cmm
        
        Quite.
        
        Everyone who wants to see it for educational purposes, or to become informed, should be allowed to do so.
        
        It is history. We can go on youtube and watch Stalin’s people executing innocents.
        
        The only alternative is to tell the populace that they are incapable of watching this and government agencies need to be trusted to make all the decisions.
        
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        May 13, 2019 4:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As the co-chair on the “Christchurch Call” social media summit, it is entirely appropriate that Ms Ardern viewed the Chch massacre video.
  
  As Head of our Security Services, it is entirely appropriate that Ms Ardern viewed the Chch massacre video.
  
  Why is the silly bint playing word games and portraying herself as some innocent who has been hard done by?
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:26am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I actually can’t see why anyone other than those involved in the Tarrant’s trial “need” to see it. It does nothing to educate or inform, it is just evil butchery.
    
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    May 13, 2019 8:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I saw it (before they made it illegal)
      why
      So they couldn’t BS me about what was on it.
      The same day the Herald did exactly that by claiming “someone” shot back at the asshole.
      NOT true, NOBODY shot back.
      
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      May 13, 2019 9:15am
    - cmm
      
      Open and transparent means that anyone should be allowed to scrutinise any decision and the relevant information.
      
      Exceptions, of course, for operational security and compromising police investigations etc.
      
      She should not be playing any victims cards. The big-girl’s job comes with responsibilities and duties far beyond just the easy stuff of handing out hugs.
      
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      May 13, 2019 5:58pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is the PM above the law? Isn’t she bound by the Censors ruling too?
    Does that ruling prevent the video being used as evidence or for other reasonable purposeful inquiry?
    
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    May 13, 2019 8:53am
  - calendar girl
    
    But Ardern viewed the video “inadvertently”, Maggy?
    
    To me that (i.e. the “inadvertent” bit) sounds improbable.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:27am
  - dubya
    
    A quick and unscientific survey if people wouldn’t mind – thumbs down if you have seen the shooting footage (all or part of), thumbs up if you haven’t.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Two months ago from what I read.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:19am
- Alien
  
  I actually thought when I read it that she was talking crap and inventing a story she could use at her whatever meeting in France that I hope nz taxpayers aren’t paying for
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:09am
G152

The fake news would have it that we, the white male, is a racist who needs to be constantly monitored and his every utterance watched for any deviation from the ‘official’ line.
In the meantime the count of attacks on civilians points to the fact that there maybe another group way ahead on the attacking and killing civilian scale
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May 13, 2019 8:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  It all started with Captain Cook, he was our first white supremacist. According to Red Radio. The left never passes up an opportunity to lay on the guilt.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:50am
  - G152
    
    The Waikato Times is also pushing that line.
    Claims the article is written by a ‘historian’ and we all know how history can be ‘tweeked’
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:10am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And yet we have a Treaty.
      
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      May 13, 2019 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Cpt. Cook was very reasonable for his times. Those who refashion history will be doomed themselves to be re-written in due course.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Are that is the beauty of not having a written language.
      With no documentation of Cook ‘s encounters from the Tangata Whenua point of view, you can recreate stories to suit the flavour of the day.
      
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      May 13, 2019 10:30am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I’m fairly sure there is a lot of revision going on to suit today’s narrative. Yet they avoid mentioning the nature of Cook’s passing.
        
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        May 13, 2019 11:12am
      - rangitoto
        
        While omnipotent sky fairies can’t change the past, historians can. That is the only reason their existence is tolerated.
        
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        May 13, 2019 12:00pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Able Tasman is not a white supremacist then, just our Cookie bludgeoned to death in Hawaii while subjugating the locals
    
    Sigh
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Stats show likelihood of being a terrorist for muslims is 100’s to 1000’s of times higher than for everyone else. As a matter of security economics it is a waste of money to even bother looking at any other group/culture.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  1984
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:17am
Paulus

I woke this morning to a howling Gale and thought –
Paris in the Spring. Wonderful.
Private airline, first class everything, lovely Bubba and Nurses along for a week.
A pity nobody of importance in the affairs of this meeting I called is coming, but as long as the media see me that’s alright
A week to have photos taken by my adoring media alongside my special friend Macron.
I had a private session with the Sec Gen of the UN before I left and he praised me publically so a job cannot be far away.
Sorry New Zealand – it is all too much for me to be there as there are many affairs of my future at stake elsewhere.
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May 13, 2019 8:17am
- softail 1450
  
  Paulus,surely she hasnt taken Airforce 1,that would cost us at least 5 to 600k at least at 20k an hour.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I woke up this morning and thought “Oh sh*t; is it time to get up already?”
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:36am
  - pdm
    
    When you reach our age Inv – just be thankful you woke up.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:06am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Every day above ground, is a good day.
      
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      May 13, 2019 9:18am
      - Ian Boag
        
        don’t forget “and vertical” … 🙂
        
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        May 13, 2019 6:33pm
- kevn
  
  @Paulus… Trifecta: JA, macron and trudeau. Oh, and some others as well.
  A Liberals wet dream.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:59am
softail 1450

lol, Forget about the old saying “reds under the bed”
Fatrick Gower has a new darker saying for us “White supremacists under the bed” this leftie hack has spent the last couple of months googling ,you tubing,dark webbing ,twittering,and now the irrelevant fool is the planets expert on the subject.
When do we get a serious honest journalist in this country,Gower is about as factual as that other old saying “we will be the most transparent honest government ever”. FFS.
And Garner is slobbering around him saying “you’ve cracked it here Patty” Jeeeeeezz.
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May 13, 2019 8:18am
- Jules99
  
  I’m offended that they had a white male presenting it – perhaps I should complain.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:45am
- Tricati
  
  Gower needs a new topic now his much vaunted Pike River exposure looks like falling on it’s arse.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:55am
- G152
  
  Patrick has a face for the printed media and a training for the tabloid side of it
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:11am
  - mark15
    
    He has a great face for radio…
    
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    May 13, 2019 1:50pm
Lee C

“I believe one can be in politics and not lie.”

To her credit, she never admitted that she was.
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May 13, 2019 8:18am
- sooty
  
  With the amount of porkies she’s been telling, she would need training wheels on the nose!
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:30am
G152

Isn’t it great that the teachers are suddenly so fired up that they’re all going to strike for better pay and conditions.
Why are Labour allowing this ???????
One in Auckland claimed that he couldn’t get ahead on his pay…
How does he think the parents of the kids in his classes get by on a whole lot less than him?
Time to computorise the classroom
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May 13, 2019 8:20am
- Prince
  
  Strange that we never hear of Lawyers or Accountants going on strike.
  I wonder what the difference between the professions could be ?
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:40am
  - kevn
    
    @Prince… Unions. Working for themselves.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:00am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Gotta hand it to the teachers union. All the media and quite a few of the general public buy into this overworked and underpaid teacher nonsense.
      
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      May 13, 2019 10:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Teachers are largely govt paid, massively unionised and now rejected through “lack of money”. Insult upon insult as others get more moola for vanity projects and they can barely buy a latte breakfast in the hols.
    But wait… there’s more…
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:01am
  - Richard
    
    Lawyers and Accountants are generally self-employed. If your self-employed and refuse to work…well you strave as no one will care. They’ll go to someone else who offers the same service.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure that Teaching is a profession.
    It has no professional body other than the Unions.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Some form of evidence of professional behaviour by the members of said profession may help.
      BUT
      They are stamping their feet and having a tantrum, just like many of the children they supposedly “teach”.
      
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      May 13, 2019 10:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Saw the interview on AM show
  Couldn’t say how much they want will cost
  Admitted salary isn’t their only income
  The last time this was addressed (non salary payments) was 2009…who was the govt. then?
  My thought
  They have out thought the boy Hipkins
  1. Cancelled charter schools, making the unions more powerful
  2. Made themselves the monopoly say in education
  3. Used the stick he gave them to beat him with.
  
  Hipkins traded education union support at the election for a monopoly say in how education is run and how much WE have to pay for it.
  If National were still in.
  There would be more “charter schools” and the threat of more.
  Taking away the monopoly position of the unions.
  Tax cuts, putting more money in Teacher’s pockets too.
  Targets would be enforced after all schools are for the education of the pupils and enrichment of society
  NOT a social club for people called teachers to attend on a PART TIME basis and get paid.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Plus
    Who was the last employer
    Where the staff (teachers in this case) got to tell the boss how and where they would do their job?
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:31am
- Alien
  
  A good teacher deserves a pay rise. It is the teachers that help shape the students into good citizens. Get rid of the crap teachers, and increase their wage, they deserve it
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:11am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Yawn. Here we go again. “Identify the good teachers and pay them more.” Somehow compensate for the difference between schools. “We all know who the good teachers are” yadda yadda yadda.
    
    Get rid of the crap teachers. Same identification problems as for the “good” ones.
    
    I’m not saying it is impossible to do something about this, but it is hard. The profession are not agitating for it ….
    
    And your teaching experience is …. ?
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:24am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Don’t need teaching experience
      What is needed is management experience
      Targets to reach
      Monitoring of progress to those targets
      The manager of Griffins, doesn’t need to know how biscuits are made, he needs to know how to employ the best people to make them.
      
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      May 13, 2019 10:41am
    - double d
      
      Yawn – another tiresome comment from Ian Boag about how it is hard to identify good teachers versus bad ones …… LOL
      Why is every other workplace can do this but schools can’t?
      
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      May 13, 2019 11:01am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Please tell us.
        
        I said “hard” not impossible. I honestly don’t know how it would be done.
        
        Noone on KB has ever suggested a way that it might be done other than (from “Let Stalk Strine”) – “aorta do something …. “
        
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        May 13, 2019 11:12am
    - Alien
      
      Actually it’s not that hard to look at that students outcome year on year and work out which teacher is failing their students and which one isnt
      
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      May 13, 2019 11:42am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I get the general idea. The bit I don’t get is how you account for school difference eg a teacher at Auckland Grammar compared to one at an Otara high school ….
        
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        May 13, 2019 11:52am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        mostly, especially when junior they only have one teacher, so it should be easy enough to monitor and at most they have 40? units?
        
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        May 13, 2019 4:41pm
    - artemisia
      
      360 Degree performance appraisal is widely used now, though not universal. It would be a good start for teacher appraisal. Takes some setting up, but would be cost effective to establish given a standard approach and the numbers of teachers concerned.
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:29pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    They deserve it, why? Teachers in general seem pretty well rewarded overall considering the light workload over the whole year. I do think there should be more performance based pay though.
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Check it out for yourself
  https://www.nzei.org.nz/AgreementDoc/PTCA.pdf
  Note
  Allowances
  Sick leave
  etc
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:06am
Happychappy

I see the list of Dignitaries for the ChristChurch Call doesn’t have a lot of leaders from other Countries on the list,but her good friend and not so squeaky
PM from Canada Justin Trudeau is there to help Jacinda.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/summit-terrorism-led-jacinda-ardern-welcomes-world-leaders-social-media-heads
You would have thought she would have had the support of the German Chancellor.
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May 13, 2019 8:21am
- Tarquin North
  
  Given the popularity of most of the attendees, this could turn in to a corpse hugging disaster for dear leader. She may end up wishing she had stayed at home and done her real job for once.
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Our MSM will not paint it that way.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:32am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy could recycle her rousing speech she made when leader of socialist youth. Commrades, commrades…
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:10am
  - freethinker
    
    Without the Dominatrix Leather Corset – perhaps a Burka instead.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I was wondering what countries politics were most aligned with Jacindas.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:25am
  - freethinker
    
    Try Afghanistan/Syria/N Korea/China/Iran, NZ a little behind but give Labour another term and the difference will be indistinguishable.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:38am
Maggie Pie

CONSUMER WATCH – doing it so you dont have too 🙁
My partner and me did something last nite that years ago we swore we would never do again – he got takeaways from KFC. We should have known better. Advertised as ‘The limited edition Big Cheese Burger, with a deep fryed Mozarella and Cheddar Cheese patty coated in the Colonels secret 11 herbs & spices with another slice of cheese for good measure’

The Expectation:
https://www.kfc.co.nz/getattachment/a1126b3c-44d6-4f4c-b07f-9dfda50cfbe7/Big-Cheese.jpg/

The Reality:
https://i.imgflip.com/1tgw9z.jpg

VERDICT:Tasteless, dry, unappetitising . Dont bother.
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May 13, 2019 8:29am
- softail 1450
  
  Maggy Pie,very good ,but to be fair even the mutt doesn’t look very impressed .
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:05am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cheese, cheese and more cheese…Maybe the dog is lactose intolerant.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:13am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      It’s a Lab!
      
      They inhale food, chewing optional when gulping function disabled!
      
      Lab tested?
      
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      May 13, 2019 11:32am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I’m lactose intolerant, without the lactose. 😉
      
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      May 13, 2019 4:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nope – we watched out the window. He took it straight out of his shed and rolled in it.
    
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    May 13, 2019 9:14am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Would that be considered animal abuse?
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:13am
- brett68
  
  What’s with the made up story? are you that desperate for attention?
  
  A) That’s a big mac in the dog’s mouth
  b) You do realize Google has the ability to search images.
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Jeepers brett – you must lead a lonely life cooped up in that bedsit. LOL!!
    A) Aren’t there enuff images for you to Google on ‘ysd’.
    B) What a loser
    C) Bet you ride Lime scooters – see below 🙂
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:26pm
    - brett68
      
      Actually I was curious to see what the KFC burger looked liked.
      
      I saw the dog and wtf?, that a big mac, what bullshit is this.
      
      So you make up lies and trash a product you probably haven’t even tried, why?
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:50pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL! – you know full well what a KFC burger looks like brett, it would be a staple for someone like you.
        Just admit it and man up – the only reason you bother to log in here these days is so you can stalk me 🙂
        
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        May 13, 2019 1:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yep, the image is on ‘Labrador Meme Generator’
        https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/109963367/Labrador-Burger
        
        What a liar
        
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        May 13, 2019 1:55pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        https://i.imgflip.com/30sti9.jpg
        
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        May 13, 2019 2:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pretty sad you tell lies to get attention ‘Maggie’
        
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        May 13, 2019 2:44pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Having spent the best part of 11 yrs at Catholic boarding school, i have never told a lie in my life – and object to humorless twits like you having the affrontery to call me a liar.
        And i certainly dont seek attention from the likes of you and brett – i get all i need from my thousands of followers on facebook, twitter and instagram
        [As soon as my partner gets home i’m going to see if the KFC receipt for the cheeseburgers and the shite sides he got is still on the floor of his Bronco.]
        
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        May 13, 2019 2:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m sorry Maggie
        It must have been tough spending 11 years in High School
        https://imgflip.com/i/30synb
        
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        May 13, 2019 3:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Youd certainly be better to have me as a friend than an enema.
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/30t0wo.jpg
      
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      May 13, 2019 3:59pm
  - softail 1450
    
    brett68 ,please inform me where you get a big mac that size ? they are normally so small you can lose them under a fingernail.
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:51pm
    - brett68
      
      Somewhere in America?
      
      Agree with you about the size of them in nz, the last one I had the patties were so thin they had holes in them.
      
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      May 13, 2019 1:09pm
Tony Stuart

I see Jordan Carter, from the group advising the PM on social media regulation, is headed for Paris this week. I wonder who, if any, of the others in the group are doing likewise, and what, if any, the cost will be.

I suspect an OIA request is in order, and I see there is an online tool that one can use for such requests; handy!

https://fyi.org.nz/
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May 13, 2019 8:34am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Cleansing the world doesn’t come cheap!
  
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  May 13, 2019 8:58am
artemisia

Will we ever see the breakdown of spending for the $961 per person per week to house the homeless? Including how much is spending on support services rather than the actual roof. And the impact on the private rental market where these homes appear to be sourced.

Even more to the point, will we ever see a cost benefit analysis or a post implementation review?

More analysis here –

tenancieswar.nz/blog/
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May 13, 2019 8:44am
- Paulus
  
  The Motels will have a guaranteed income though !
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:11am
  - artemisia
    
    Yes some motels will continue to do well, but Housing First is permanent housing not temporary or emergency in motels.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Where are these permanent houses ?
      
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      May 13, 2019 1:45pm
      - artemisia
        
        Good question – must be lots of empty homes around the place. According to the Housing First website –
        
        Private landlords, iwi, community housing providers and HNZ provide housing places.
        
        Note private landlords are first on the list, social housing providers and HNZ last . There were 63 state and social homes nationwide ready to let at 31 March though, which is a start.
        
        http://www.hud.govt.nz/community-and-public-housing/support-for-people-in-need/our-housing-support-initiatives/housing-first/
        
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        May 13, 2019 4:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    But would you want the job?
    
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    May 13, 2019 4:48pm
- greybeard
  
  When I heard about that $197m for the homeless my first thought was:
  “This is going to result in a lot more people becoming “homeless” so that they can get their share of the payout”
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:57am
  - artemisia
    
    I would say a chunk of the Housing First budget will be for support services. Maybe rough sleepers would prefer to be warm and dry in their own place, certainly, but they will be encouraged to allow plenty of do gooders to help them. If they prefer to be independent, there is a good chance their accommodation will start to degrade quickly.
    
    Sorry about that, neighbours.
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:18am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    When I heard that this 197 million would help 1000 homeless, I was gobsmacked. This is nearly $200,000 per homeless person.
    
    That’s some gravy train…
    
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    May 13, 2019 2:01pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Kiwibuild houses coming in handy?
      
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      May 13, 2019 4:49pm
hullkiwi

It is time to call out our stupid politicians, executives of NZ’s bureaucratic agencies, lobby groups and media. All of them are caught in the cult of feelz, and if we repeat a myth often enough it must be the truth. Repeating a myth is not the truth and not correct, it is still a myth. The notion I am referring to is this idea that Auckland needs to get more people on to public transport.

The first point is NO it doesn’t, and from it the obvious question is WHY?

Over the past 3 months there have a series of news items that reveal the groups I listed above don’t have a clue what they are doing except wanting public money to be spent needlessly.

First there was Uber reporting that Auckland is the most congested city in Australasia and how difficult it was to travel in the rush hour. By any properly measured international standard Auckland is not congested. It has peak period congestion. Without writing a dissertation the truth is, if you force a lot of people to travel down narrow corridors with arbitrary blockages, you’ll get congestion.

Second, there was Gen Zero with there publication recommending lower and capped fares to get more people on the buses. Why? Affordability and save the planet.

Then it was reported that Auckland Councillors had been looking at how to increase patronage further on the buses. Why? Same as the Gen Zero report. How? By lowering fares.

Then to cap it all, the PT sector now has to deal with the impact of the Employment Relation Amendment Act.

Now a little known fact was that prior to 6/05/19, NZ was short of over 300 bus drivers. Because of the ERAA, NZ is short by over 1,200 bus drivers.

Now all of the above have 3 things in common, these being:
1. They are going to cost ratepayers, taxpayers and even ratepayers $millions to implement;
2. It is debateable whether the acquisition of more buses and the hiring of more drivers (if they can be recruited), will actually achieve anything except spend a lot of money; and
3. Whether there will be a significant mode shift away from private vehicles to PT.

In summary, all the people listed in my opening sentences encourage a lot of money to be spent on PT, because it feelz like the right thing to do. Yet they don’t know whether it will achieve their desired end or how much it costs.

Why am I so certain it will not work? Because at no point do they stick to the known facts, being:
1. 90% of all trips by PT are people go to and from their place of employment/occupation;
2. Nobody actually surveys where the demand for people to use PT comes from. That is where do people travel from and to. Just because there is a bus route from A to B doesn’t mean people will use it.

Until people understand the needs of the public, responding to every transport barking dog will end up with situations such as Wellington’s new bus network.
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May 13, 2019 8:48am
- artemisia
  
  And yet hullkiwi, Wellington had a vast amount of data from Snapper and from their ticketing system when creating the new bus system and contracts.
  
  To be fair, the ticketing system records only when and where cash payers and gold card holders get on, not when and where they get off. Still good data though and a lot of it.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:57am
  - hullkiwi
    
    artemisia, there is actually only one survey done that measures where people travel from and to on a working day. It is done every five years and last year they screwed it up. It is called the Census and it is not used properly in transport planning!
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:17am
- The Feed
  
  I’ve yet to meet a person who *wanted* to catch mass public transport. It’s always a compromise decision, typically based on car and parking availability. There may be some trainspotters and greenwashed twits, but I’m guessing even they would take a private taxi if offered at the same price.
  
  Why? Because mass public transport always has been, and always will be, a bit shit. It doesn’t solve the actual travel problem, which is to get someone from one door to the destination door in comfort.
  
  With public transport, you have to go to it. Wait for it. Put up with unreliable degrees of comfort, and then it drops you off – almost all of the time – outside the door you didn’t want to go to. You then have to go walk to the place you really wanted to go to.
  
  The future is vehicles. Point-to-point. They’re preferable. Low-cost, point-to-point driverless vehicles will consign buses and trains to history.
  
  They solve the problem – better.
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:58am
Happychappy

FFS what is our media becoming with a article on Stuff this morning, news shared on social media is likely to hurt democracy this Journalist says.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/technology/social-networking/112626064/social-media-influences-new-zealanders-opinions-on-politics-and-hurts-democracy-study-says
It’s never about themselves and always others that are wrong.
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May 13, 2019 9:04am
- adamsmith1922
  
  See my initial thoughts here
  https://wordpress.com/post/adamsmith.wordpress.com/95606
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That link just took me to a sign in for WordPress.
    
    I think this will link to your piece:
    https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/05/13/free-speech-cherished-liberty-under-relentless-attack-1/
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:48am
- The Feed
  
  “more likely to stay silent in conversations about social and political issues online if they think their opinions are unpopular, according to new research”
  
  This.
  
  I seldom talk politics any longer with anyone, friends included, if I know they are left leaning. I’ve learned the hard way that it isn’t about honest debate. The endgame is you either agree with tribal group-think or you’re a “bad person”.
  
  It’s little wonder Trump and Brexit happened.
  
  Signed
  
  The Silent Majority
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    The Silent majority that gave us this,
    
    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=mqr;c=mqr;c=mqrarchive;idno=act2080.0042.319;g=mqrg;rgn=main;view=text;xc=1
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:47am
    - The Feed
      
      See above.
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:39pm
- Jack5
  
  The Stuff article Happychappy links to is based on material from “The Workshop”.
  
  What is the “The Workshop”?
  
  From its web site, its stated priorities:
  
  – Rethink our approaches to children and whanau who are under resourced so that all tamariki and families flourish.
  
  – Move from a justice system focused on imprisoning people to one that prevents crime and rebuilds lives.
  
  – Ensure every person in Aotearoa New Zealand feels safe, welcome and included in communities where all voices are heard.
  
  – Shape and use technology in ways that reduce inequality and enhance our democracy and freedoms.
  
  – Help people in our growing social enterprise and philanthropic sector access the best evidence about where their work will have the greatest impact for wellbeing.
  
  – Support all sectors and communities to treat water like the taonga we know it to be.
  
  – Create a clear path to a carbon zero future.
  
  – Centre peace and equity in our foreign policy.
  
  So, The Workshop is Utopian.
  
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  May 13, 2019 12:08pm
F E Smith

So this ‘Homicide Report’ on Stuff says that”

“Stuff’s analysis reveals that at least two-thirds of the gun-related homicides involved either a .22 rifle or shotgun. Many of those weapons were cut-down or modified. Semi-automatic firearms rarely figured.

Of the 84 cases where we identified the killer’s licensing status, only 12 were legally permitted to own a gun.”

If that is the case, why was there a need to change the gun laws so urgently? Christchurch was an aberration that surely cannot be controlled for unless you ban private gun ownership. Of course, then the crooks will have to go to the Police to get their guns…

I suspect that the real purpose of the report is to get gun registration, now that gun type ownership has been reduced.
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May 13, 2019 9:14am
- stinkypete
  
  minister Nash was surprised how many homicides involved 22 and shotguns and now wants to extend legislation.
  
  wow , their incompetence in rushing through laws with a weeks notice and ignoring gun owners is to be used as a reason to go after gun owners again
  
  it would be funny if they werent going to get away with it since national turned tail and fled from this issue
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:32am
- dave_c_
  
  Not only to achieve registration, rather to disarm the population – full stop – Communism – coming our way poste haste.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  F E Smith maybe Las Vegas, Parklands and Port Arthur also aberrations?
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    Gosh steffy, how could you miss this one..
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/world/africa/burkina-faso-church-attack.html
    
    Or this one…
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/france-truck-attack
    
    Oops, that’s right, this one didn’t shoot people but a firearm was used to kill him.
    
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    May 13, 2019 2:37pm
trout

Simon Bridges acquitted himself well on red Radio this morning sparring with negative Suzy. At last someone has helped him straighten out his mangled vowels – it is all very well to speak badly and expect all and sundry to like it or lump it but the message does not get through.
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May 13, 2019 9:16am
- mikenmildagain
  
  This business of accents is puzzling. No one listening to Ardern talking about ‘poverdy’ or ‘Soimon’ talking about anything has any difficulty understanding what they are trying to say, or, perhaps more often, what they are trying not to say.
  
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  May 13, 2019 9:30am
  - Sacha
    
    Most of the female speakers on the radio, especially commercial, have the same speech defects as the PM.
    Have a listen for yourself.
    
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    May 13, 2019 10:59am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    ‘Soimon’ ?
    Too much soy in mon?
    
    National needs to start differentiating itself from Labour.
    What does National stand for? (There was some old pre-war paragraph, but that seems to have been forgotten.)
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:25am
- hullkiwi
  
  Trout, I heard the interview also. He did well and avoided going off his rehearsed script as much as Ferguson was trying to get him to do so. He needs to learn from his recent interviews like today’s and last Thurs when he was interviewed over the failure that is KiwiBuild.
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:00am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons ‘Lime Scooters’ are for men who want to ride motorbikes but prefer to feel the wind on their vagina.
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May 13, 2019 9:20am
cmm

Stuff running an article on how easy it is to get guns and how evil 22s are.

This is lubing us up for firearms registration.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112420637/flint-wallace-was-not-allowed-to-have-guns–he-killed-his-former-partner-with-a-22-calibre-rifle

This murderer had an arsenal of 36 guns and had them, and his license, taken away. He then got his hands on a 22 and shot his ex.

He might have had that hidden (ie. really had 37 guns and only handed in 36) or he might have got an illegal gun off a mate. Either way, it does not really matter.

If he had not got his hands on a 22 he would have opened the kitchen drawer and grabbed a boning knife.

The stupid thing about tightening up on laws is that only the law abiding will comply. Gangs and murderers won’t.
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May 13, 2019 9:42am
- Richard
  
  What happened to all those semi-auto’s that Gun City reported selling in the lead up to the ban? Well no one knows. I’m sure some thought there would be a grandfather clause to the ban and they could keep them if purchased before the ban came into force but no such luck.
  We’re going to see more of this:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112634121/police-seize-gun-collectors-firearms-in-over-the-top-raid
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:04am
  - cmm
    
    Gun city records the serial number and license details of every firearm they sell.
    
    Of course there is nothing preventing those that bought them from selling them off to anyone who presented them with a license.
    
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    May 13, 2019 6:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Interesting aspects of the rush through Parliament of the semi-automatic firearms ban:
  
  1. The timidity and compliance of National in the legislation haste, haste which bolstered the international and home reputation of the PR-savvy Prime Minister: she announced the ban would be organised within 10 days.
  
  2. The sole politician to oppose the rush, ACT’s Seymour, missed his chance to block the legislation’s urgency by being outside the House of Representatives talking to reporters at the crucial time. How can we be convinced that wasn’t a stunt?
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:55am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The control left are getting giddy and excited after their initial success and will now continue to try and roll over and destroy every freedom they can. Æthelred the Unready “if once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane”
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:33am
mortis

Government says they are banning MSSA’s but ban all sorts of non-mssa.
Government says MSSA’s are the problem yet data shows other firearms are used more often in murder.
Government says registration is required yet MSSA’s are already registered.
They are creating a narrative before the inquiry so they get the results they want. Will we hear about the vetting of the asshole involved. Will we hear about the stringent vetting and security requirements for MSSA users. Will we see a cost benefit analysis of spending millions on a buyback that will have no effect on crime or make anyone safer.
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May 13, 2019 9:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  MSSA is just a semi automatic made to LOOK like a military weapon.
  A guy in a dress, is not a woman, he is still just a guy in a dress.
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:48am
Wayne Mapp

Although the gangs may not voluntarily comply, the new law gives an additional tool for the police in searches and other crime busting activity against the gangs.
In addition as law abiding citizens progressively hand in their proscribed guns, it reduces the number that the gangs might steal or otherwise acquire on the black market.
I would also point out that if National had been the government at the time of the Christchurch massacre, they would have introduced pretty much the same changes to the gun laws.
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- Jack5
  
  Wayne: You make it sound as though law-abiding gun owners, including sportsmen, farmers and other outdoors people, are happy about the changes.
  
  In Christchurch I have seen signs such as “range closed” on gun clubs where thousands of us have enjoyed law-abiding sport.
  
  Then I read reports like this:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112634121/police-seize-gun-collectors-firearms-in-over-the-top-raid
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:46am
  - Alien
    
    Reading what Mapp has written I fail to see anything he says that makes it seem like people are happy.
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Wayne Mapp’s point seems to be that law-abiding gun owners are, or will, compliantly hand in their guns. If they are unhappy about it, the police will have a big job rounding up the scores of thousands of legal but unregistered firearms.
      
      There is an idiomatic phrase, at least in NZ, that “happy to go along with something” is more or less synonymous with “willing to comply”.
      
      This is typically assumed to include a caveat, that if you are only reluctantly willing, you respond: “I will do it, but I’m not terribly happy about it.”
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:23pm
      - Alien
        
        There is also a tradition in no of putting words in someone’s mouth they never said. Maybe learn to read what a person has said and take it at that and not twist it
        
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        May 13, 2019 1:37pm
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    How many guns have actually been handed in?
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:06pm
    - Alien
      
      At least 11
      
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      May 13, 2019 1:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  And that is why I will be (for the first time ever) voting ACT.
  
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  May 13, 2019 10:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yes, we need a party willing to defend western civilisation from the authoritarian barbarians at the gate.
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      UN, balderdash! Which FEMA or Gulag has Jacinda got you earmarked for?
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:05pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Blue electorate and party yellow
    
    Yellow need something like 22,000 party votes for a seat whereas the blue team need something like 55,000
    
    Someone with a better knowledge of mmp will get the numbers right for me
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:42am
  - Alien
    
    Why, so you can vote for a party where the leader is busy telling the media he will do something missing his chance to do it. Act is a useless party. In a town of 40,000 last election they had one sign up, no election material, no door knockers, nothing.
    
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    May 13, 2019 11:49am
- howitis
  
  Ah, more vagina monologues from an EX National MP
  
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  May 13, 2019 12:00pm
Jack5

Intimidation is rife at universities, says an Oxford professor in an article behind the paywall at the Telegraph.

Professor Jeff McMahan says:“There is a real climate of intimidation at universities that makes people fearful of speaking out on controversial issues. Many people are deterred from publishing ideas or arguments for which they could provide good reasons and evidence because they are frightened of threats to their career or even their physical well-being.”

McMahan, reports the Telegraph, has been setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas, a peer-reviewed publication dedicated to airing the kind of research on race and intelligence, genetics and gender identity that has recently seen academics drummed out of their jobs.

Conservative philosopher Roger Scruton has signed up for the journal’s editorial board. Scruton was sacked as a British Government adviser after an interview in which he appeared to make an anti-Semitic reference to George Soros’s “empire” in Hungary and claimed the Chinese Government was turning its citizens into robots.

The new journal plans to offer anonymity to contributors. A web site has been set up ahead of publication later this year:

http://www.journalofcontroversialideas.org/
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May 13, 2019 10:39am
- Ross12
  
  Excellent idea. It will be interesting to see how contributors feel the need to take up the offer of anonymity.
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:03am
RW Capitalist

Maybe we could apply that to cars too.
Hand in all cars over a certain size.
People would HAVE TO catch public transport and gangs wouldn’t be able to steal them either.

I would also point out that if National had been the government at the time of the Christchurch massacre, they would have introduced pretty much the same changes to the gun laws.
and it would still be wrong and I would disagree with it. I would still vote National, for all the other reasons.
I did after they voted on the “smacking law”.
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May 13, 2019 10:45am
Maggie Pie

We took a poll at work the other night and over whelmingly voted ‘Bruce Russell’ as the best talkback host on ZB.

https://i.imgflip.com/30sgih.jpg
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May 13, 2019 10:57am
Happychappy

Why is it that Winston is good a making statements about others without thinking of his bribes to stay in power. He preaches a handbrake sometimes is a good thing like “we have been the common sense Party a Practical Party ” and we have also promised changes to the way multinational companies are taxed saying Tegals last tax bill was one third of a cent,” we are going to stop that, if you do business here, you pay taxes here “. Well it’s alright for Winston to say all this but actions talk louder than words and I would like to remind you of your largest donor the Fishing Industry and if you were to have the same commitment to them as you have promised Tegal there would be cameras installed on all trawlers so.ething you and your party oppose I wonder why. Then we have the Racing Industry another of your donaters who get tax breaks for pretty horses and other anomalies that could be put to help those that you say you have no money to help, Teachers and Junior Doctors and others just to satisfy your whim. NZ Politics can’t wait to see the back of you Winston as we need Leadership not Gunna Politicians like you.
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May 13, 2019 11:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

NCEA slowly being dismantled.

Level 1 hardly worth the effort…

External (exam?) grading for literacy and numeracy credits

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/389070/ncea-overhaul-fees-scrapped-literacy-and-numeracy-benchmarks-brought-in

Looks like NZ’s world-leading qualification hasn’t taken off….. (that’s how the NCEA was presented back at its inception)
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May 13, 2019 11:13am
- Alien
  
  We were world leading I thought, then they demolished it and brought in NCEA
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:51am
- Alien
  
  Btw can we just call this, perhaps, I don’t know, a national standard.
  
  “The single common benchmark in English and te reo Māori will provide a clear standard to evaluate performance and level of quality across literacy and numeracy, the NCEA document said.”
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Literacy in Te Reo? It’s an oral language or a purposely invented transliteration largely.
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:44pm
    - stephieboy
      
      A language that Colonial-era missionaries had no major difficulty translating the Bible into,
      
      https://biblesociety.org.nz/discover-the-bible/the-bible-in-maori/.
      
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      May 13, 2019 1:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Dismantling NCEA or not we still manage to produce top-notch non-Cambridge graduates in the hard sciences including Engineering and Medicine.
  
  e.g https://www.ero.govt.nz/review-reports/mt-roskill-grammar-22-06-2015/
  
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  May 13, 2019 11:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are not the where the problem lies, stephieboy.
    
    It is the lousy outcomes that attach to those who fail in our education system….
    
    the kids that I see in their teens – who cannot process basic text,
    who cannot subtract 2 figures,
    who cannot tell the time, etc.
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Lousy outcome only affect a relatively small number. Definitely not here for example,
      
      https://www.mags.school.nz/academic/academic-success/
      
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      May 13, 2019 12:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If you read National statistics of all the schools in NZ, you would discover that at least 10% of secondary school pupils do not achieve Level 1 NCEA.
        
        But look closer and you will discover that 20% of Maori pupils did not get Level One and there are schools where over 35% of their pupils leave without attaining Level 1 NCEA.
        
        https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/statistics/indicators/main/education-and-learning-outcomes/28788
        
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        May 13, 2019 3:41pm
  - rangitoto
    
    “The power of instruction is seldom of much efficacy except in those happy dispositions where it is almost superfluous. ”
    
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    May 13, 2019 12:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Two of my family have left without passing NCEA level 2. Boredom was a main reason. Both have acquired level 4 and one a significant degree.
  When the curriculum is once again teaching basic GST calculations in year 10 even the able are likely to drop out. Is secondary school fit for purpose?
  
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  May 13, 2019 12:49pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Kev O’Brien, that depends on a whole mix of factors including and very importantly parents motivating and involving their children to learn.
    
    This is irrespective whether a school has Cambridge or NCEA or not.
    
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    May 13, 2019 1:10pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Schools can disable learning. GST calcs 3 years or more in a row? Brighter kids turn off.
      
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      May 13, 2019 5:52pm
  - artemisia
    
    One of ours had to be seriously encouraged not to drop out after Level 2. Bored and unhappy but nothing wrong with her brain.
    
    Worked a few after school shifts at Maccas and saw the year out. Added more Maccas shifts and within weeks of leaving school was offered and started management training, with NCEA credits.
    
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    May 13, 2019 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s all happening on our hill…
Hubby is just back from the summit, checking up on where he and his cronies can store their radio repeater & batteries.
The GCC is going to demolish the Cook Observatory and bring the top of Titirangi/Kaiti Hill down to the level of the Gun emplacement.

Looks like we might be getting a Cafe on the top…

All in time for October festivities
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/389081/captain-cook-250-year-commemoration-to-tell-maori-side-of-history-minister-kelvin-davis
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May 13, 2019 12:35pm
- rangitoto
  
  What does the Gissie astronomical society think about that?
  
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  May 13, 2019 12:40pm
  - sooty
    
    Less money for teachers, doctors and nurses!
    
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    May 13, 2019 1:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They want a new one.
    
    The Observatory (built in 1971) has been closed since 2015 as it has structural problems.
    http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/2571175-135/observatory-to-stay-shut
    
    Looks like it was built on unconsolidated fill.
    
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    May 13, 2019 3:12pm
RW Capitalist

Economy
GDP growth to Mar 31st……….2%pa
If GDP growth (if this Q same as last Q)….1.3%
Isn’t inflation higher than that.
So economy is stagnant.
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May 13, 2019 1:54pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’m very interested in tracking gdp. Do you have a source for this?
  
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  May 13, 2019 3:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-growth
    
    The trend doesn’t look flash…
    
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    May 13, 2019 4:02pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Both no source for anything for Q1 2019 yet. Q3 0.6% Q4 0.3% 2018 are setting a dismal trajectory, which is why I would like to see a verifiable source for Q1
      
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      May 13, 2019 5:19pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Check hansard at question time it was stated that annual growth to Mar 31 was 2% therefore with
        0.9% + 0.6% + 0.3% = 1.8% mar31 Q must be 0.2%
        Simple maths.
        If the trend continues the Jun 2019 Q will be 0.0%
        therefore annual growth will be 1.2% and if it continues on we will be in recession by Sept 2019 Q.
        
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        May 13, 2019 5:41pm
- mandk
  
  The GDP numbers show the “real” growth of the economy, i.e. after adjusting for inflation.
  
  But 2% or less would be very unimpressive.
  
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  May 13, 2019 3:38pm
MCos

For anyone concerned about the ten million plus dollars raised by public donations for the victims of the Chch mosque attacks here is a far more bewildering tale about $22US million dollars raised by public donation to help Build the Wall.
https://thesternfacts.com/source-build-the-wall-gofundme-just-paid-for-a-nearly-1-million-yacht-not-a-wall-72958836bd0c

You can chose for yourself whom your wish to believe. Comments at the end are super interesting.
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May 13, 2019 2:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/112675422/free-public-transport-trips-for-auckland-under15s-get-nod-from-auckland-mayor-phil-goff

OK. That is Goff kicking off his mayoral election campaign.
Now, what will Tamihere promise ? Any suggestions ?
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May 13, 2019 3:54pm
sooty

So everyone who witnessed the mosque shooting gets $12thou. Man there is going to thousands, that witnessed the shooting now!
Do you have to a have a visa, residencey, I wonder. Or is it open season?
Where does the SLG get these silly ideas to spend our taxpayers money?
Edit. Is this less money for t3achers, doctors and nurses?
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May 13, 2019 4:10pm
The Feed

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May 13, 2019 4:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

Keystone Cops at it again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112684241/police-cars-collide-during-chase-of-fleeing-driver

And they still haven’t found the guy they were chasing.
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May 13, 2019 4:28pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112677868/healthy-homes-standards-legislation-signed-off-into-law

Will these new regulations stop feral tenants trashing other peoples’ property, failing to pay rent, littering the sections, infecting properties with ‘P’, terrorising the neighbours, owning dangerous dogs, etc etc ?

No ?
Why not ?

No “give-and take’ ?
No ‘tit-for-tat’ ?
No ‘Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander’ ?
No ‘Fair do’ or any other suggestion of responsiblity ?

What a surprise.
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May 13, 2019 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well this is a tad embarrassing.

Did our Boys in Blue ignore warnings about folks staking out a ChCh Mosque.?

Have they followed up on the Imam’s information?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112689676/police-ignored-reports-of-suspicious-behaviour-in-christchurch-mosque-imam-claims
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May 13, 2019 8:11pm
Jack5

Demolition 101….

Michael Reddell, in his Croaking Cassandra blog, takes apart Liam Dann’s polyanna bullshit on the NZ economy. Dann is the NZ Herald’s “business editor at large” (that doesn’t mean he’s escaped and is on the run).

Among Reddell’s points:

– New Zealand’s economic performance is among the worst in the OECD.

– There is no evidence that NZ’s immigration policy, the most aggressive in the OECD over the last two decades, has contributed to what is NZ’s imaginary economic success.

– There was nothing spectacular about NZ’s coming through the last Global Financial Crisis.

– NZ struggles to attract really high quality migrants.

– Rates of business investment in New Zealand (share of GDP) have been towards the bottom of the OECD range for decades even though our population growth rate has been at the upper end of the OECD range.

A fine read at:
https://croakingcassandra.com/
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May 13, 2019 9:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sweden re-opens investigation into
Assange rape allegation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48253343
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May 13, 2019 9:38pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

AEI Housing Center Announces Ten Best and Worst Metro Areas to Live in for Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) Jobs – AEI

http://www.aei.org/publication/aei-housing-center-announces-ten-best-and-worst-metro-areas-to-live-in-for-science-technology-engineering-and-math-stem-jobs/

New AEI study ranks the 30 metros with the highest number of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) jobs in 2018 in terms of economic vitality and affordability. Besides the number of STEM jobs that a metro had in 2018, the study also took into account total job growth since 1990 and affordability for first time buyers in 2017. Dallas-Fort Worth was ranked the best and Los Angeles and Sacramento were tied for the worst. … read more via hyperlink above …
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