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Donald Trump’s own internal polling has him trailing Joe Biden in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. As somebody currently living in the mid-west, that tracks with what I’m hearing when talking with people at work and socially.

Trump has a group of hardcore fans, but overall he is not popular here. He won these states in 2016 only because people disliked Hillary Clinton slightly more than they disliked him (and a lot of people have decided they were wrong about that). Joe Biden doesn’t have anywhere near the same degree of baggage that Clinton had. Barring some huge scandal coming out he (or basically any Democratic candidate) should win these states easily.

And in his typical classy fashion, Trump’s response to this bad news was to throw a tantrum, firing several polling companies and claiming black is white. “Whah, whah mummy, don’t like the nasty poll numbers. Fake news!”
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June 18, 2019 8:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  Bit early Than
  But if it makes you feel better, carry on.
  Oh, and the idea Biden has ‘no luggage’ is particularly cute
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:07am
  - G152
    
    All those photos of creepy Joe being creepy don’t count to the US elector?
    I have this bridge for sale ……..
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:10am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Creepy Joe is a boon for the cartoonists.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:50am
      - adamsmith1922
        
        You might like this cartoon
        https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/06/16/dem-toon/
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:48am
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        I am surprised nobody has yet made the obvious parody song.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqGV0FVcEZ8
        
        All it needs is a few creative lyrics.
        
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        June 18, 2019 11:04am
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        Give it up creepy Joe
        It is time don’t you know
        to get out of the Washington scene
        
        When there’s girls on the stage
        you will not act your age
        and you like to sniff hair if it’s clean
        
        Unlike Donald Trump
        you’re a member of the swamp
        you’ve been there since 72.
        
        And you’re never going to be
        like a president should be
        ’cause your always going to be a Creepy Joe
        
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        June 18, 2019 11:33am
  - Than
    
    I didn’t say Biden had no baggage. I said he had much less than Hillary Clinton, and I stand by that claim.
    
    No question it’s very early, but even so this is not a good starting point for Trump. And one notable feature about Trump’s approval ratings is they’ve changed very little throughout his term. It seems most people have already firmly made up their mind whether they like or dislike Trump, with not many undecideds left. If that’s true, it will make it very difficult for Trump to pull his numbers up to an electable level.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:15am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘they’ve changed very little throughout his term’
      Wrong. They’ve gone up. Especially approval amongst Blacks and Hispanics. His job approval amongst independents also.
      Do a little research on how Polling has stood historically in previous Elections at this time for those who went on to win.
      I’d observe from your ‘comments’ that you actually know fuck all.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:41am
      - Batman
        
        Oh it’s going to be so enjoyable watching you lads squirm your way through the next 18 months. I’m looking forward to it!
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:43am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, it’s rather fun right now watching how TDS is affecting the minds of those who don’t like Trump. Their failure to recognise his achievements is notable.
        He’s certainly your blind spot Batman.
        You realise the Polling and removing of Polling companies Than was referring to was in March?
        Before the Mueller report came out.
        Trump could certainly lose. He’s a loudmouth narcarcisstic buffoon who polarises people. It’s going to be a tight race. I’m realistic about that.
        But I don’t think Biden will even be the Candidate. His Dem competitors haven’t even started on him yet. No endorsement from Obama is a big question mark.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, and I’m right about his approval rising in those segments.
        You can’t deny that.
        If he moves Blacks another couple of % and they get out and vote, it’s over.
        Let’s see what his Healthcare Plan is too. Lots will depend on that.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:49am
      - Than
        
        Actually, yes I can deny that. Because it completely contradicts all the polling data I’ve seen. One of us is looking at incorrect information, and I’m comfortable with the credibility of my sources.
        
        As for the Mueller report giving Trump some sort of bump, you must be kidding, right? Yes it cleared him of collusion. But on the obstruction charge it all but flat out said he’s guilty, but its congresses role to hold the president to account, not a special prosecutor.
        
        But most of the polling I’ve seen on public reaction to the Mueller report was pretty mixed, and heavily split along partisan lines. Most people chose to focus on the parts of the report that supported what they already believed/wanted to believe. I doubt it changed many people’s mind.
        
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        June 18, 2019 11:15am
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        The critical thing with regard to the Black and Hispanic demographics will be intention to vote. Many people are faithful to a single party but exercise their democratic influence by not always voting.
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah well considering you were quoting Polling from March as believable you do need better sources.
        I note you don’t provide those Sources either.
        You’re also looking at Polling which is nationwide- which is IRRELEVANT, given its a State by State contest.
        I look at lots and lots of Polls.
        All agree support from Blacks and Hispanics and Independents has gone up. Job approval too.
        Here’s an article for you on three Polls from earlier this year agreeing about it.
        https://m.theepochtimes.com/polls-hispanic-support-for-president-trump-reaches-50-percent_2870164.html
        
        Oh, and both Rosenstein and Barr said no obstruction. Keep dreaming though. It’s funny.
        Impeach 45 ✊️
        Even Pelosi knows it won’t fly. Hey, what about that Steele Dossier eh. What happened to that?
        LOL
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:47pm
    - backster
      
      Than…Thats what they said in 2016.
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:59am
    - herb1
      
      Than says “Trump’s approval ratings is they’ve changed very little throughout his term.”
      
      If thats true , which it isn’t , thats hardly worth getting excited about Than as that level of support saw him win the Presidency against the hottest favourite of all time.
      
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      June 18, 2019 11:53am
    - virtualmark
      
      I doubt very much that Biden will be the Democrat’s candidate for President in 2020.
      
      Sure, he’s the front runner now. But historically the front runner at this early stage falls away (for example, at this stage in 2016 Jeb was the front rated Republican candidate and Trump was about 14th of 17).
      
      You have to wait for the field to winnow down to the last few, with the effect that the freed up votes re-allocate across the remaining candidates.
      
      Personally I think it’s time the old stagers like Sanders, Biden and Trump left the field.
      
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      June 18, 2019 7:18pm
  - srylands
    
    Isn’t he a bit ‘grabby’ with young women? I mean like there are videos of him? Won’t the Republicans just put them on TV 24/7?
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:17am
    - Than
      
      Sort of. There is nothing explicitly sexual – no grabbing butts or boobs, rubbing up again women, anything like that.
      
      But there are images and claims of him being “inappropriately familiar” (standing too close, putting his arm around shoulders or hand on forearms, that sort of thing) in ways that several women have said made them uncomfortable.
      
      Calling this behavior creepy is very much putting a worse-possible spin on it, but Republicans will no doubt try to frame it that way. It’s not clear how much of an electoral liability this will be, particularly given Trump is hardly a saint in his behavior towards women either.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:55am
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        Standing very close behind a woman and virtually inhaling her hair whist her husband is speaking at the lectern?
        Most people would call that creepy.
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:12am
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://www.vido.wiki/video/sBCZtz0MYDQ/gabbee.html
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:16am
      - kloyd0306
        
        There is video of Biden.
        Trump “talked” about it in a men’s locker room.
        Biden – video.
        Trump – talk, taped illicitly.
        Than – suffers from TDS.
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:01pm
      - Billy Collins
        
        There is video of him being so handsy, he has his hands in a little girls mouth. Not creepy at all according to you.
        
        But sure, he just touches some forearms that make some women uncomfortable, whatever drives your narrative, mate.
        
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        June 18, 2019 2:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Be careful, Than. There are a few hardcore Trumpistas here who are well practised in the mental gymnastics necessary to maintain the delusion that their orange hero is a great man. Your words will upset those snowflakes, who main attribute is to be as thin-skinned as the toddler-in-chief.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:14am
  - Than
    
    Oh, well aware.
    
    Generally I try to avoid trolling, and have a low opinion of those who do. But frankly the blind sycophantic worship of the Trumpistas for their obnoxious orange messiah gets incredibly annoying at times, so I regard occasionally tweaking their nose (especially using real-world facts, which I know they hate) as justified.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:23am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Real world facts’
      Bwhahahahahahahahahaah
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As you know, the Trumpistas are allergic to ‘real world’ facts: they prefer ‘alternative facts’.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Trump can’t win’ (alternative fact version)
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ46I3kMOr0
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    And yet you happily go along
    Weird is what you are mikey.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      The above comment was edited to remove… well, you know what.
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:35am
- Rocky Jnr
  
  What !!!!!. I watch a lot of President Trump (that is his correct title, Than) Despite what you read in the media in this country, (usually sourced from the Washington Post) I have never seen the President throw a tantrum or behave in any manner associated with throwing a tantrum. In my experience he is controlled and eloquent, more so when you consider he doesn’t use an auto cue like Obama did. In fact in the face of provocation from the fake news media, (especially idiots like Jim Accosta) he is amazingly patient and courteous. All lot of readers are going to agree with me looking at the number of down-ticks your comment already has, 15 in 20 minutes.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:30am
  - SGA
    
    I watch a lot of President Trump (that is his correct title, Than)
    
    Oh dear, that speaks volumes. Are you also going to police the use of correct titles for May, Macron, Trudeau, Putin and, god forbid, Ardern?
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:10am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ahem, the Mods on this site ‘police’ what Ardern is called.
      Just sayin
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        Really… I hadn’t noticed (sarc)
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:36am
      - Batman
        
        Don’t worry, just those who obsessively refer to the PM as a liar without context and evidence tend to get a slap.
        
        After all, we wouldn’t want a ‘not my PM’ style denial of reality movement here in NZ, would we? That would be very childish…
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:45am
      - SGA
        
        Do the mods insist that we call her the Right Honorable Jacinda Ardern, or Prime Minister Ardern. That’s the sort of reverence Rocky Jnr wants us all show Trump apparently (sorry, President Trump).
        🙂
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:48am
      - Batman
        
        SGA – not at all. Any variation of PM, Ardern, JA is totally fine, even creative ones are fine. The mods are just not keen on offensive / possibly defamatory names.
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Holy nightmare batman….”
        
        Please elaborate on how calling ardern a liar could be offensive or defamatory?
        
        I can’t wait to see that explanation.
        
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        June 18, 2019 2:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Do you think he insists on being called Mr President during the spanking sessions?
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:28am
    - Rocky Jnr
      
      What a stupid comment SGA. I cant police anything FFS. However, over past decades the media use of surname only when referring to anyone is irritating to me and and lot of other people. Whatever happened to the courtesy of addressing people by their correct title, or at least Mr, Mrs, Miss or Ms?
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:37am
      - SGA
        
        This is a blog, not the MSM. The use of only surnames is convention, but you are entitled to call for a stop to this practise. I look forward to reading your assiduous use of correct titles when referring to people, it might make a refreshing change.
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:56am
      - artemisia
        
        It is common for the first reference to a person in a media article to include an honorific and surnames thereafter. That’s a good compromise, maintains the flow.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:20am
      - Than
        
        My personal convention (which I used in my initial post above) is to use the person’s first and last name in the first reference, last name thereafter. I try to apply this uniformly, regardless of my opinion of the individual.
        
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        June 18, 2019 11:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        When ardern earns courtesy I will give it.
        
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        June 18, 2019 2:18pm
  - adamsmith1922
    
    The fact you think Trump is eloquent explains everything
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      He has the best words
      
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      June 18, 2019 12:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh please cut the CNN crap, because that ‘news’ company has lost 33% viewership. Trump is trying his best to stem the flow of illegals from Mexico, and now we hear the Mexican President has 6,000 troops at the border to help stem the flow. A threat of levies does have an effect, eh? He was voted in on getting that wall built, and as for Joe Biden, well he can hardly string a sentence together.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    “and as for Joe Biden, well he can hardly string a sentence together”
    
    Oh I don’t know…
    
    “hello sweetie… I’ve got a pocket full of lollies for you”… sounds pretty coherent to me 😉
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:53am
  - Kabull
    
    Pres Trump is doing a great job when you consider the environment within which he must operate. How many of us could keep our cool when bombarded daily by all the negativity coming from CNN, MSNBC, NYT, ABC, etc?
    #Trump for 2020.
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    Lol and Trump is any better at sentences? That guy has mangled more words than a drunken Irishman (no offence to the Irish)
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:47am
    - Inandout
      
      Really?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G82UsIzbuRs
      But hell, if Joe can cure cancer…..
      
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      June 18, 2019 1:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Biden will have a warehouse filled with skeletons, and there will be a queue of women ready to throw open the roller doors. I’m stockpiling popcorn.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:34am
- The King
  
  Increasingly nervous man claims drumpf is finished this time for the 6000 time in the last 3 years.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:04am
  - Cobolt24
    
    Have a look at this compilation from the media: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmJwmvnMkY
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:43am
    - David Garrett
      
      Cobolt: I am pretty much ambivalent about Trump..but that is a very funny clip…I didn’t watch to the end, but has did anyone count how man times “the beginning of the end” was used? Or the total number of confident predictions that “this is a tipping point”??
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:04am
  - Batman
    
    Just like how Trump’s club have nervously proclaimed “case closed!” for the 6000th time in the last few months, when in fact the process is only just getting started
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:49am
    - The King
      
      [NPC voice]
      
      Orange man bad.
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:36am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Impeach 45!!!
      Lol
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:58am
      - Batman
        
        I’m not on the impeachment wagon but Trump is making an impressive case for it all by himself, which is a novel approach I have to say
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How?
        
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        June 18, 2019 1:03pm
      - Than
        
        Um, shall we start with openly obstructing justice, in plain sight, right now?
        
        Let’s be incredibly generous and say the Mueller report completely exonerated Trump (It didn’t, but for the sake of argument). That would clear him of obstruction in relation to the Russia invesigation. But then since the report was released, Trump has taken multiple actions designed to obstruct congress from fully investigating matters arising from the report.
        
        He has ordered people not to testify before congress.
        
        He has order documents not to be released.
        
        If that is not blatant obstruction of justice, I don’t know what could ever be.
        
        Trump can keep claiming this is a witch-hunt, unjustified, politically driven all he likes. Well, newsflash, a suspect doesn’t get to decide whether they think an investigation on themselves is justified. The constitution says that congress has the lawful authority to oversee the president, and sanction them if appropriate. That doesn’t come with a condition “only if the president feels like it”.
        
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        June 18, 2019 3:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Trump has the best understanding of the constitution, Than:
        “Article II allows me to do whatever I want”
        
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        June 18, 2019 4:04pm
- Alien
  
  Never understood why nz has trump stalkers.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:25am
- Cobolt24
  
  I can only speak for one person I know in the Midwest, he’s voting for Trump in 2020. I’ll ask him about others he knows and their opinions.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:35am
- atomic drop
  
  I gave Than a thumbs up. I used to be a big fan of Donald. Finally, an anti Globalist platforming candidate.
  
  Orange man has since been absorbed into the hive mind of the Globalist Borg.
  
  He has thrown most of his base under the bus to try and win favour with the Swamp. Why? Probably because his NY socialite cosmopolitan “Daddy’s little princess” and son in law conned him into believing this is the only way to win a 2nd term.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:48am
stoptheboats

Beware the Greens/Labour = soft on drugs – look at this horror story on decriminalisation!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/113559568/teenagers-use-of-nuclearstrength-weed-in-the-united-states-is-causing-concern
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June 18, 2019 8:03am
- srylands
  
  In principle I would like to see cannabis legalised. However what this article shows is that safe products would require the same regulatory effort that applies to alcohol. However the latter has been built over a century. When you buy liquor in New Zealand you know it won’t send you blind.
  
  So from being sure I was going to support legalisation, I am now leaning towards no. Voting yes would require confidence in the government to get the regulations, compliance, monitoring and enforcement right from day 1. What are the chances of that?
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:13am
  - mandk
    
    “What are the chances of that”
    
    Zero, of course.
    
    We won’t even have appropriate provision for testing for impairment while driving.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:31am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, that’s the canary in the coal mine.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:36am
      - ldypen
        
        Speaking of “coal mines” what’s happening with that these days?
        
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        June 18, 2019 8:46am
      - Prince
        
        Internal polling has shown people starting to weary of the monthly photo-ops at mine entrance, parading of the bereaved etc.
        Decision to tone down for 3 months before ‘rolling the stone’ away again.
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:06am
      - guardianista
        
        It’s not the only one. You need drug testing in most jobs, which I think all employers have the right to do on a pre job basis (and hair through the us labs gives a longer period). So the corner solution is that marijuana becomes legal but the youngsters entering the work force will be limited to being baristas, buskers and lollipop people, actually not even the latter Fulton hogan probably tests!
        
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        June 18, 2019 1:43pm
      - sooty
        
        Cindy , will be down with the baby directly!
        
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        June 18, 2019 5:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “When you buy liquor in New Zealand you know it won’t send you blind.”
    
    Bollocks…. “Beer Goggles”……
    
    I rest my case 😉
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:55am
  - mark15
    
    I’d like there to be a test of legalisation.
    I’d like all parliamentary security and diplomatic protection personnel to be given the choice to turn up for work stoned as a trial.
    All good with that,Greens?
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      I thought the watermelons were already trialing that…………
      
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      June 18, 2019 2:26pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All cannabis would require testings and certification as to THC strength which can vary by over a factor of 10. Taxes like liquor will be imposed by strength bands. The gangs will love it as they will continue to provide the tasty THC varieties free of tax.
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:55am
Happychappy

A great column on Twyford and housing from Liam Hehir.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/113539057/disastrous-kiwibuild-shows-socialism-at-its-worst
I don’t think Hugh will be cutting and pasting this.
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June 18, 2019 8:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Hugh has been critical recently of the COL its Ministers and performance.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You read something Hugh posted?!!!!
    
    I take my hat off to you Sir for your fortitude!
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:33am
    - sooty
      
      Hughie is only critical of Twford only because he is ignoring his advise!
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:53am
- artemisia
  
  Kiwibuild – it’s not just what has not been delivered to date.
  
  There is a runaway train coming very very fast. And that is the 10,356 Kiwibuild homes contracted and committed. Developers happy. Buyers thin on the ground so far but developers are not at all worried as the taxpayer is going to buy the unsold ones.
  
  Soz taxpayer.
  
  Interestingly the number of contracted / committed has not changed for months. Has the Kiwibuild Unit been told to stop these? If so what are all the Kiwibuild Unit staff doing all day? Making up excuses for Mr Twyford and eating their lunch?
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:20am
mikenmildagain

Happy Waterloo Day!
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June 18, 2019 8:10am
- Rocky Jnr
  
  What? Waterloo Day??? Have they bought the 2020 election forward and the COL have been sent packing.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    Like you, I think they are fast approaching their “waterloo”…
    
    Plus, most of their policies seem to have been created in the “PortaLoo”….
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s Abba day? Who knew 🙂
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    ABBA…
    
    Anyone but bloody ardern.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:58am
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The culmination of the long struggle to rid Europe of a monstrous dictator. A lesson in European unity against a common threat.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:32am
  - toby1845
    
    Are you talking about Donald Lusk? or Angela Merkyl?
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:10pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum emails .. 🙂

A man walks into a chemist shop in Sweden and says,
“Scuuse mee, eye’d lyke to bye sum deohderhant pleez”
The chemist replies, “Sir-tan-lee! wot kydne? ball? or aresole.
Man replies, “Neither! i vont it four mi arempits!”
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June 18, 2019 8:18am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Don’t give up the day job too quickly. . . .
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She’s in a retirement village – silly!
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:45am
    - sooty
      
      If mum can type that she’s doing well.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well he is only a wee fella, hard to get up let alone keep up…. being a gnome and all….
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:01am
Exclamation Mark

Have a look at Stuff’s leading story under their “Christchurch Mosque Shootings” banner:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting

A disgusting attempt to tie the ACT party to the mosque shootings.

edit: it was the lead story yesterday, now been bumped by an article on political cartoons.
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June 18, 2019 8:18am
- srylands
  
  Yes that was up yesterday. Surely it justifies a formal complaint from ACT?
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    With shit stuff it will still be there in 3mths in their muzzie section.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:58am
Happychappy

You can always tell when Winston is in trouble with the Farmer Labour announce a policy to help them with their debt and Winton fronts the press conference with them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12241324
Barry Soper sums it up.
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June 18, 2019 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes I read this. This is helping farmers in the same way as is forcing an executioner to offer a last meal menu to his/her customers
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, the polling numbers must be bad. Because yesterday there was a Labour spin release about Jacinda receiving a “heart wrenching” letter. It only happens when the CoL need squirrels!
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:00am
- Alien
  
  It was a nz first policy, which is why Winston was there
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:27am
- double d
  
  the obvious question to put to the government (big fail by Mike Hoskings not doing this in his interview with the PM today) is do you expect the policies of the current government to make this policy important in the near future?
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:41am
- Gravelroad
  
  As someone who lived in a farming community through those years there is no way I could vote for the Labour Party – ever.
  Not going to say what it was really like because I don’t want a storm of justification and derision rain down as is usually what happens when farming (aka export production) “subsidies” are mentioned.
  As for Mr Peters, he ran a very slick PR campaign prior to the last election. Week after week we received two or three media releases which sounded great.
  Sucked in a lot of gullible people.
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:54am
Happychappy

Now that Andrew Little has put this Canterbury Earthquake Commission together to clear grievances can anyone give any information on whether those that had no insurance are allowed to claim again that they were entitled to be paid for damage that was inflicted on their homes and property.
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June 18, 2019 8:30am
- lemuzz
  
  And those wanting an unrealistic figure as settlement
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:52am
- Paulus
  
  The revised Canterbury Earthquake Commission was settled over a year ago by the Tubby EQ Minister telling the Taxpayer owned Southern Response a blank cheque to settle the whole outstanding 2700 claims deal.
  Why another Taxpayer Tribunal now to do the same ?.
  Another COL Failure, and another to follow.
  
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  June 18, 2019 1:24pm
iMP

Colin Craig’s case against John Stringer thrown out. “The senior Justice ruled today Craig’s case against Stringer an “abuse of process” and “unjust” after Stringer made an application for estoppel of Craig.”
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June 18, 2019 8:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Colin who?
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    John who?
    
    And who cares? 😀
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:54am
  - Alien
    
    The guy in the poster on your wall
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:28am
    - Happychappy
      
      Your good at throwing it Alien but not so good with comments you don’t appreciate, maybe you should look at yourself before criticizing others.
      
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      June 18, 2019 3:19pm
      - Alien
        
        Nothing thrown there happy if you can’t tell the difference between a joke and filthy comment like you made then you really do need to grow up
        
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        June 18, 2019 6:47pm
      - Alien
        
        Oh and if that is the comment you mean happy surely you have the ability to see it is actually at Paulus not tony, which is why it shows as a reply to Paulus comment, or tony’s. Might want to go see spec savers sweetie
        
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        June 18, 2019 6:58pm
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  Talking about yourself in the third Person is a bit creepy John.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Time for a cartoon?
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:34am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      For the love of all that is good and Holy, Mike…
      
      NO
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:55am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I would have thought a poem would have been more in order, given the other party 😀
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:04am
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        On John Stringers unrequited love for the corpse of the Conservative party?
        
        The guy is a sad, sad joke.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I like much of what Elliot Ikilei has to say, but having “Conservative” in the party’s name is an albatross around its neck. The word “New” certainly won’t change perceptions.
        
        I also wonder if Elliot is a little naive, and likely to get taken apart by the liberal media vultures, who will pounce on anything they can to discredit him.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:29am
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        Yep.
        Stay right away form “Conservative”, “Family” , “Values” & “Christian”
        
        whilst there is nothing wrong with the ideas in and and of themselves, they are far too contaminated by those who appropriated them previously. 🙁
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:39am
Yvette

Duncan Garner being free with his speech –
People will say what they say. Israel Folau, for instance, said something about gays being evil, they’re going to hell. But he was merely quoting the Bible – although he juiced it up a bit, right? The Bible also says straight people may go to hell if they’ve been bad, and Folau said exactly that in the so-called objectionable post. – Garner

The graphic meme mentioned “Hell” but was not an accurate quote of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 on which it is supposedly based.
That quote, as with the other text that Folau used, indicated “that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” – Galatians 5:19-21 KJV

Duncan Garner: Government’s clampdown on free speech dangerous for all of us –
Minor point perhaps, but Duncan Garner being inaccurate, or perhaps untruthful, doesn’t help
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June 18, 2019 8:39am
MCos

I listened to Lisa Owen interview Sir John Key last evening.
I’d almost forgotten what a strong advocate he was for the unemployed as PM.
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June 18, 2019 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  I walked our dog last evening.
  
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  June 18, 2019 8:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Smarter…. much smarter.
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:14am
hullkiwi

Listening to PriNZess this morning in her interview with Ferguson would have been comical if the matters were not so serious.

The first issue was about Hiscox and his the ANZ Boatrd’s failure to monitor his remineration/expenses – Jacinda was out of her depth and no real clue what was appropriate to say.

There are 2 issues here, the first is the Reserve Bank and its light touch management/regulation of the banking sector – with ANZ being in the spot light twice over its failings and the RB is being lead footed in its handling of the situations as per Kerry MacDonald (former Chair of BNZ). It was clear Ardern doesn’t want to deal with financial matters and she is scared of the corporate sector, and so ducks answering questions about poor governance.

The second topic was “the stolen children”. She said boldly there are 2 problems, being the the number of children abused in NZ and the need to uplift so many children. Her only answers were more money for Oranga Tamariki & they are changing their procedures from 1 July. But…
It’s the same old staff at Oranga Tamariki, and it is the same people abusing children. What are her solutions to stop the abuse.

If people want to really solve the problems, people have got to stop the b*****it and deal with the realities of the situations.

1. It is not colonialism or racism that is abusing the children;
2. It is not colonialism or racism that is getting the perpetrators addicted to “weed”, booze, or “P”;
3. It is not colonialism or racism stopping whanau, iwi, or hapu intervening to stop the violence and abuse.

But….

It becomes colonialism and racism when the state steps in to protect the children, because they don’t deal with the whanau or hapu when children are taken into protection. Sorry, but where were the whanau or hapu in the first place. Because to come to the attention of the state, the situation is already out of control without intervention.

So, let’s stop the b*****it, put your hands back in your pockets (yet more free state funding is not the solution) look at what is happening in your communities and resolve it in a mature way. Because the current solutions will this problem never being resolved, because there is no ownership of the problem which is dysfunctional people having families they are not able to care for.
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June 18, 2019 8:51am
- sooty
  
  Quick roll the baby out to wipe up her shit!
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:00am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yesterday, they rolled out a “tear jerker” of a letter sent to Jacinda from a cancer sufferer.
    
    It will not help though, in an add for Katheyn Ryan’s show on RNZ this morning, they previewed that she’ll be speaking to Rod Oram about “disappointing manufacturing numbers for the government and what they mean” (her words not mine).
    
    Given this on Red Radio, there must be problems showing up in the CoLs polling.
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      hullkiwi, you appear to spend and inordinate amount of time tuning into Red Radio?
      
      Can’t get enough of Leighton’s podcasts ?
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:03am
      - Alien
        
        And you send to spend inordinate amount of time on this blog posting crap, what office in the beehive do you work out of. Judging by the way you write it would be a lowly office like pm propaganda office
        
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        June 18, 2019 12:16pm
- The King
  
  Colonialism is bad
  
  also
  
  Colonialism of tens of thousands of brown people from all around the world is our greatest strength.
  
  Somebody is telling us porkys.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  The emotive language of stolen children, colonialism and racism are weak excuses for parental failure. If fewer children end up dead then so be it. This has nothing to do with theft, colonialism nor race. When we are in a damned if you/damned if you don’t situation, I’ll cheer for the option that secures the life of a child over the “feelings” of the agitators.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:28am
- double d
  
  In a socialists eyes, it WILL be fixed if you spend more money. It just kinda like magically happens. Not sure how or why. And makes you feel all good inside …. warm and toasty. So therefore, we are proud to announce an increase in funding ……. and so it goes. The focus is never on the how or the why or a measure of efficacy of spend. It is always the quantum and a demonstration of how virtuous we are..
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Double d, I agree with you. This morning Ardern’s message was:
    There are two problems….
    We are fixing it with:
    1. $1billion in the budget; and
    2. We have overhauled the legislation to change the procedures and this kicks in from 1 July.
    
    So, we still have the same organisation (same name & brand), staffed by the same people….who is expecting anything to change?
    
    Then you have the source of the issues, i.e. dysfunctional people who can’t look after themselves, let alone young children. What is really being done about resolving the problems at source, other than lots of words about whana, hapu & iwi?
    
    Until they stop talking b*****it, and really address the problems in Maori communities, the problems of violence suffered by children and families will not go away and we’ll be back here again in the future. And there will be more handouts.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:24am
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA CONCERNS …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/australian-dollar-enters-free-fall-as-global-recession-builds/#comment-3371223 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-18-june-2019/#comment-3371224

Breakfast Briefing … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/100250/ny-factories-sharp-turn-down-kmpg-pays-huge-fine-integrity-bust-china-surrenders-wto

… extract …

… And back home in China, worried officials are grappling with the contagion of a failed bank. The bank failed almost four weeks ago, but liquidity pressures on many other smaller banks have been spreading since and it is now becoming a national issue.
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June 18, 2019 8:53am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yes, the infusion of Chinese cash which is the sugar for many economies is drying up
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:28am
- secondcumming
  
  Banks failing. Two million protest in Hong Kong. Never heard of it.
  Headline…..Xi to visit Kim in Pyongyang.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:40am
- Cobolt24
  
  Nope, that’s another big fail from you again Hugh.
  
  Please try harder.
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:15am
  - Cobolt24
    
    I didn’t make that comment!
    
    Someone’s been name changing using this page again. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-admin/profile.php
    
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    June 18, 2019 1:16pm
alloytoo

So here’s a question for the day.

Hipkins had no more money for teachers, yet somehow scratched together $271 million to make an offer. (No guarantee incidentally that the rank and file will accept this offer.).

It’s going to come, apparently, from reprioritising expenditure in the sector.

IE: we’re going to gut a few initiatives.

Which ones?

(wavey hands and hippie music)

You’ll never know.

Thing is, what most people don’t realize is that they’ve already done this to pay for the free university. Any further cuts are likely to hurt those most at risk, but in the worst position to object.

Interesting times…..how did the curse go?
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June 18, 2019 9:00am
Maggie Pie

As much as i cant stand Jack Tame i thought it might be worth watching his interview with Judith on Q&A last nite. Shouldn’t have bothered. Every time Jackie’s lips moved, the only thing i heard was him saying was, “Wibble wobble, wibble wobble, jelly on a plate”.
So i quickly changed to CH16 – ‘Sex sent me to the ER’
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June 18, 2019 9:03am
- Alien
  
  Oh no were you on there pulling the hair brush out of a patient again
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jack ~~Tame~~ Dull. Did they get him from the COL?–he’s a good match for their incompetence level.
  Judith stuck to her integrity.
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:09am
The King

The terrorist fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Zindzi Mandela daughter of Nelson Mandela lashes out at ‘trembling white cowards’ and ‘shivering land thieves’

https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/social-media/2143542/zindzi-mandela-lashes-out-at-trembling-white-cowards-and-shivering-land-thieves/
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June 18, 2019 9:11am
- Swifty
  
  Wow. How hateful.
  
  I do hope that woman doesn’t represent the views of the majority of South Africans.
  
  According to many of the left here in NZ that would qualify as out-and-out #Hatespeech.
  
  Will an intrepid NZ journalist please see what Golriz and Marama etc have to say about this?
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    They would probably agree with her.
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:18am
- Cobolt24
  
  Nelson will be rolling in his grave.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    No, Nelson would be proud, as would her evil necklacing mother.
    
    The “Rainbow Nation” stuff was just to placate the West and get him his Nobel prize. He didn’t really mean it.
    
    Behind the scenes, the ANC was planning pretty much for what they have now and Nelson was singing “Kill the boer” along with his MK (ANC armed wing) buddies.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:22am
- Jack5
  
  Zindzi Mandela is the South African Ambassador to Denmark.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:44am
Tall Man

“Stolen” from Holysheet…. He’s as good as ever

“A woman and a baby come into the doctor’s office. She is taken into an examining room and waits for the doctor. After arriving there, the doctor examines the baby, and finds him not gaining much weight and asks the woman, “Is he breast fed or on the bottle?”

“Oh … he is breast fed!”, replied the woman.

“Well then, strip down to your waist,” orders the doctor.

She takes off her top and bra and sits on the examining table. The doc starts pressing, kneading and pinching both breasts for a while in a very detailed and thorough examination.

The doc motions to her to get dressed, then the doctor says: “No wonder this baby is so hungry. You don’t have any milk!”

The woman with a wry grin on her face responds: “Well of course I don’t.” “I’m his aunt – but I’m sure glad I brought him in!””
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June 18, 2019 9:12am
Happychappy

Now the Greens are in power are or will they stop much needed Genetically Modified Technologies being introduced.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/revealed-new-zealand-s-archaic-genetic-technology-law-stifling-breakthrough-science.html
NZ should not wait to rid our Country of this archaic law or others in the world will get to far ahead of us.
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June 18, 2019 9:14am
Chuck Bird

I heard on Hoking this morning that Chlöe Swarbrick is going high schools and preaching to year 13 students the benefits of legalizing recreational cannabis.
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June 18, 2019 9:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Chloe Swarbrick should be clapped in irons.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Had you thought of blogging a list of people you want locked up?
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:40am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      Just people promoting illegal activity, but you already knew that.
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:57am
      - sooty
        
        Nah, that’s Matt Nippert, that you are thinking of.
        
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        June 18, 2019 5:19pm
  - MCos
    
    Says the free speech champion
    
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    June 18, 2019 9:42am
    - Alien
      
      No politician should be going around schools promoting cannabis or a referendum on cannabis where the question hasn’t even been decided.
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:01am
      - Yvette
        
        No, it is probably covered by other things while cannabis is still illegal?
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:49am
    - rangitoto
      
      Inciting harm isn’t covered by free speech.
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:18am
    - BananaLlama
      
      I don’t think she should be going into schools and promoting her views on controlled substances to teenagers. If only for the fact that they are not a public place and are funded by the tax payer so should remain apolitical.
      
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      June 18, 2019 12:26pm
- secondcumming
  
  And wasn’t it *Tamati Coffee* going to high schools preaching the ‘benefits’ of a Rainbow lifestyle?
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:35am
- The King
  
  decriminalize yes, but regulating is a pipe dream, pun intended.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, good for her. It does young people no good to see the hypocrisy inherent in the unequal treatment of the various psychoactive substances.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:39am
- MCos
  
  Next year there is a referendum on the subject and they may be eligible to vote.
  The result of the vote will have long term significance to our society so they should be informed.
  I have no doubt they will be exposed to plenty of information from an opposing point of view.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:40am
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    I agree in principal, but do you think someone like Swarbrick is providing “information” or “propaganda”?
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:27am
    - SGA
      
      As a rule of thumb, it’s always information when I do it, and propaganda when it’s the other side doing it 🙂
      
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      June 18, 2019 11:00am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I am not happy about campaigners of any sort visiting schools. Kids are compelled to listen, and are not allowed to argue in an atmosphere of enforced conformity. Any such visit needs to have both sides of arguement being put forth.
    
    This is effectively Greens propagandising and indoctrinating kids on our dime, with forced attendance. Education is learning how to think (critically), not being told what to think by zealots.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:15am
    - artemisia
      
      Ms Swarbrick must have been invited in by the school. She wont have just rocked up to the door.
      
      Can’t blame the school for inviting her. Definitely can and should blame the school if they did not also invite ‘the other side’.
      
      However, Ms Swarbrick would be well advised to ensure ‘the other side’ was also invited, if only for her own integrity.
      
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      June 18, 2019 1:05pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Might I suggest that the person who put Ms Swarbrick’s address to students at Hillcrest into the public domain is anything but objective?
    
    Ryan Cox @rcoxnz
    
    Just amazed by @_chloeswarbrick speaking to our @HillcrestHighNZ Yr 13 students today about legalising Marijuana. If anyone is on the fence on this I encourage you to listen to Chlöe, her argument is back up by research unlike the opposition and media. Thanks again Chlöe, legend!
    
    https://twitter.com/rcoxnz/status/1140420637338431488
    
    I replied to Mr Cox, who describes himself on his Twitter profile, among other things, as an “Educator”. He hasn’t replied, but someone did who suggested that independent medical evidence was unlikely, because doctors are on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies!
    
    Interestingly, when I did a Google search using the words “medical evidence cannabis harm”, this was the first result on the list, based on data collected from the Dunedin longditudinal study:
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/
    
    The summary makes interesting reading:
    
    Using cannabis in adolescence increases the likelihood of experiencing symptoms of schizophrenia in adulthood. Our findings agree with those of the Swedish study1 and add three new pieces of evidence. Firstly, cannabis use is associated with an increased risk of experiencing schizophrenia symptoms, even after psychotic symptoms preceding the onset of cannabis use are controlled for, indicating that cannabis use is not secondary to a pre-existing psychosis. Secondly, early cannabis use (by age 15) confers greater risk for schizophrenia outcomes than later cannabis use (by age 18). The youngest cannabis users may be most at risk because their cannabis use becomes longstanding.5 Thirdly, risk was specific to cannabis use, as opposed to use of other drugs, and early cannabis use did not predict later depression. Our findings now require replication in large population studies with detailed measures of cannabis use and schizophrenia.
    
    Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes. A tenth of the cannabis users by age 15 in our sample (3/29) developed schizophreniform disorder by age 26 compared with 3% of the remaining cohort (22/730). Our findings suggest that cannabis use among psychologically vulnerable adolescents should be strongly discouraged by parents, teachers, and health practitioners. Policy makers and law makers should concentrate on delaying onset of cannabis use.
    
    Given that the Greens are suggesting a legal age of 25 for access to cannabis, why is Chloe Swarbrick taking this message to 16-18-year-olds, and even more significantly, why are schools allowing it?
    
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    June 18, 2019 12:24pm
- atomic drop
  
  “Long march through the institutions” is the Marxists MO.
  
  This is why “the Right” has been losing on every single front of the Culture Wars.
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    atomic , you mean the alt and far right?
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:13am
  - The King
    
    Sure glad we defeated those evil Nazis for the Marxists.
    
    [Boomer voice]
    
    “at least we arn’t speaking German”
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:42am
stoptheboats

good luck with the unreliable trains and trams Aucklanders!
Yesterday, commuters were impacted after cancellations on the southern train line caused delays across the train network. Officials warned train cancellations could continue through the week.
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June 18, 2019 9:22am
- alloytoo
  
  I find public transport depressing, it adversely effects my wellbeing.
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:20am
mark15

Anyone seen the Kiwigunblog insider info on how guns are going to be confiscated?
Chilling.
You’re next,free speech…
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June 18, 2019 9:26am
- Jack5
  
  Where and what is Kiwigunblog that you refer to? Do you you have a link?
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:05am
- The King
  
  Oh what a surprise the NZ police are lying on 2019 seized guns coming into the country.
  
  Their stats say 0 yet we know 2 handguns were found in meth shipments.
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:47am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Are you sure they didn’t send them to Palmerston North, where they were later stolen from the Police Station?
    
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    June 18, 2019 12:25pm
Jack5

Is the German Government lying when it blames rising anti-Jewish attacks on the “Far Right”.

Hundreds march in the annual annual anti-Israel al-Quds Day demonstration in Berlin with frequent calls to kill Israelis.

The Jewish Telegraphic Agency says: “Some of the incidents documented at the Quds Day march in Berlin have been classified by authorities as forms of far-right anti-Semitism, independent watchdog groups have discovered.”

The JTA adds:

“…the new Muslim anti-Semitism is taboo, as addressing it would only strengthen opponents of immigration,” Krisztina Koenen, a journalist for Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and der Welt, wrote in an analysis she published in March in the Hungarian-Jewish magazine Neokohn.

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/14/global/germany-is-accused-of-downplaying-anti-semitic-attacks-by-muslims?utm_source=JTA%20Maropost&utm_campaign=JTA&utm_medium=email&mpweb=1161-11585-4812
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June 18, 2019 9:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , the German President agrees,
  
  ‘Ignoring’ anti-Semitism not an option, German president warns
  
  President Frank-Walter Steinmeier has appealed for Germans to show civic courage in the face of anti-Semitism. The call comes amid growing attacks on Jewish people in Germany.
  
  “Addressing an audience in Heidelberg on Monday, German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier said he feared anti-Semitism had become socially acceptable in mainstream German society.
  
  “Looking away, ignoring it, saying nothing and doing nothing when Jewish citizens are insulted, mocked or violently attacked — that cannot, and should not, be an option for any of us,” he said.
  
  Steinmeier pointed out that Jewish citizens in Germany were “degraded, insulted or even assaulted” on a daily basis. He added that each of these incidents was an attack on the foundations of democracy
  
  The president was speaking at a ceremony to mark the 40th anniversary of the Center for Jewish Studies Heidelberg (HfJS)….”
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/ignoring-anti-semitism-not-an-option-german-president-warns/a-49240897
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:12am
- The King
  
  Like the Israeli teen who called 2000 bomb hoaxes on synagogues those hoaxes are still counted as “far right”
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:52am
stoptheboats

eat this ,all you anti-Trumpers out there …

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/06/16/pollster-trump-on-course-to-win-in-2020/
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June 18, 2019 9:54am
- SGA
  
  I thought we’d all agreed that polls are a waste of time?
  (Except Curia’s, of course 🙂 )
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:16am
Captain Mainwaring

Anyone heard anything about how much business was done at last week’s Fieldays?
My suspicion is that it was well down on last year and the media is protecting the failure Government by hushing it up.
Until I see some figures I’m sticking to my story.
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June 18, 2019 9:56am
- Alien
  
  I go past several tractor businesses every few days. It was amazing under national how many were having sold signs put on them constantly. Now it’s rare to see a sold sign on them
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Alien, anecdotal codswallop!
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:06am
    - Alien
      
      Stephanie, nope, but hey what else do we expect from you, you pst crap that once it is disproved you runaway.
      
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      June 18, 2019 10:38am
  - wreck1080
    
    I wanna buy a digger… .would be so much fun.
    
    But, neighbours might not like it.
    
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    June 18, 2019 10:24am
slightlyrighty

My son goes to a Decile 5 school with a role of about 700 kids.

They ask for donations of $300 per year. I don’t object to paying this. Now the government says that they will pay the school $150 if the school doesn’t ask for $300.

What a deal! We will give you $105000 but only if you forego $210000!

What numpty came up with that! It just goes to show that this government has no idea about the cost of education.
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June 18, 2019 10:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  The amount the High School my older son attends would forgo if it accepted the govt proposal is circa $450k.
  
  I cannot see the school going down that path.
  
  And because the intermediate the younger lad attends is decile 8 parents will be stuck with that donation as well.
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:13am
- MCos
  
  If more than 50% of the parents pay $300 the school will no doubt choose to stay with the status quo.
  There are numerous schools who don’t currently ask for a donation, or maybe $50 or so, because the parents are struggling.
  Others at the top end collect more than a thousand dollars.
  
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  June 18, 2019 12:03pm
wreck1080

Maori lady caller on Newstalk zb this morning. She was defending CYFS…. saying the more babies they uplift the more they will save.

This caller also says the state must stop brainwashing maori about colonisation, as it simply gives maori someone else to blame for their own actions.

People should listen to her on the ZB archive, call is about 10:18am on newstalk zb. She was very convincing (because she says stuff I believe of course 🙂 )
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June 18, 2019 10:22am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Guy who shared mosque shooting video sentenced to 21month in prison.

I am astounded. Most minor recidivist criminals get what? 5-10 ‘chances’ with home detention, fines, community service etc before being sent to jail. This sentence is higher than for most serious assaults, dishonesty offences etc where there are actual victims, vs this where people have been offended but no-one has been actually hurt or victimised. Judiciary is unhinged/virtue signalling on this one.
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June 18, 2019 10:30am
- Alien
  
  He didn’t just share it, he modified it including crosshairs on the victims and a dead count as people were shot. No problem with him getting a jail sentence. Some should get a slap on the wrist for sharing it, but no this guy
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yeah, that is worse. But still massively disproportionate given normally incredibly lenient treatment of first offenders to try and stop them from becoming recidivists. It’s obviously political in this case – judicial activism.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:27am
    - Alien
      
      Article says he showed no remorse and was considered a high risk of offend again
      
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      June 18, 2019 12:06pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        ‘offend’ again. Indeed.
        
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        June 18, 2019 1:15pm
  - wreck1080
    
    The guy must be a psychopath! No feelings at all.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:36am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yeah, an evil prick. But still not seeing how 21months is reasonable given typical sentencing for other crimes.
      
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      June 18, 2019 12:04pm
      - wreck1080
        
        Yes, agree.
        
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        June 18, 2019 2:27pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Was he sentenced then for breach of Tarrant’s copyright? The sentence needs justification.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:46am
  - The King
    
    Modifying a video is not a crime.
    
    There is no victims in what he did, just hurt fee fees.
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    As distasteful as his behaviour is this is fundamentally bad law. How do you distinguish this from Quranic incitements to violence and denigration against Jews, infidels, women and homosexuals that are obviously very real given the have made Jihadis/Isis? Or the offence taken by adherents of Islam when their faith is mocked or criticised?
    
    If you are going to criminalise one how can you countenance the other? And how do you allow the many thousands of movies and games that are similarly de-humanising in their violence.
    
    Taking offence is a choice and should have no legal standing.
    
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    June 18, 2019 12:52pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    No, he did not modify the video, he shared it and suggested that it have a kill count and cross hairs.
    Tasteless and callous disregard yes.
    Yet a Rapist in this country is unlucky to get jail time with this cowardly Judiciary.
    I get that there is a certain amount of Schadenfreude for the sentence he got and personally I give zero fucks for the situation he finds himself in, I`d just like the wankers on the Bench to show the same amount of spine when other assorted violent arseholes are in front of them and no one is watching.
    
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    June 18, 2019 3:20pm
    - Alien
      
      “By spreading the video, and also having another version modified to have crosshairs and a “kill count” added, Arps “glorified” the shootings, the judge said.”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12241533
      
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      June 18, 2019 4:01pm
      - The King
        
        I watched a youtube video and “glorified” US airmen killing unarmed civilians, is that a crime?
        
        I watched a video of someone importing Meth into NZ a crime punishable by 14 years + should i be punished for sharing this video?
        
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        June 18, 2019 8:58pm
      - srylands
        
        Yes the guy is a scumbag. But there is a no shortage of scumbags. 21 months seems disproportionate in my view.
        
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        June 18, 2019 9:26pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What?
  No Golf lessons and hugz?
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:03am
  - SGA
    
    What do you have to do to get golf lessons? Do I need to bring clubs, or will they be supplied too?
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:11am
  - Jack5
    
    Philip Neville Arps has been well known in Christchurch for some time for his extreme racial views.
    
    The judge who sentenced Arps to 21 months prison was Judge Stephen O’Driscoll, who two years ago sentenced to supervision a youth who planned a Christchurch terrorist attack “for Allah” in February 2018. The youth planned to ram a car into a group of people and then stab them until the police killed him. He went through with a threatening and violent incident but “decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people”, the Crown reported when he pleaded guilty.
    
    The Muslim youth had monthly monitoring sessions with Judge O’Driscoll. Reports of these revealed he had been undertaking golf lessons and part-time study for NCEA. At one monitoring session, through his counsel, he invited Judge O’Driscoll to a barbecue.
    
    https://courtnews.co.nz/2019/06/18/offender-compares-himself-to-nazi/
    
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    June 18, 2019 11:55am
    - The King
      
      Oh wow an actual terrorist got to play golf with the same judge as Phillip Arps.
      
      I’m shocked.
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:05pm
Ross12

An amazing time lapse video of the Hong Kong protests

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=196196861299269
( If it does not link properly Google : shanghaiist –a news outlet)
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June 18, 2019 10:49am
- Justitia
  
  And an international tribunal finds China is indeed harvesting organs from political prisoners:
  
  https://t.co/KpEXlIUB8s
  
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  June 18, 2019 11:18am
Fletch

Joe Biden promises that if he is elected, “we’re going to cure cancer”.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2304504949797240

Really? Because researchers aren’t really putting in the effort now?
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June 18, 2019 10:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Would you prefer a promise to stop the spread of HIV by 2030?
  
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  June 18, 2019 1:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/04/second-person-effectively-cured-of-hiv/
    
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    June 18, 2019 1:37pm
Chuck Bird

This will be very interesting. Firearms purchased in the last 5 years should be paid at replacement cost of a new firearm just like insurance.

Jacinda Ardern says $168m gun buyback scheme details released on Thursday

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113549525/jacinda-ardern-says-168m-gun-buyback-scheme-details-released-on-thursday?fbclid=IwAR2GkQah8JrNYPEDPTPj6jiHuJaJEydGEpqgONxrbmZ3DoxaNXfmuFbd0r0
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June 18, 2019 11:45am
Happychappy

You would think those close to Grant Robertson would advise him to stop blowing his cheeks out when having his photo taken as it looks like he has just given someone a blow job and can’t get rid of it. So here is a photo of him in the column where he is saying ANZ Bank have more questions to answer over the dismissal of their CEO.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/113568454/finance-minister-says-anz-has-questions-to-answer-about-ceo-departure#comments
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June 18, 2019 11:56am
- Alien
  
  Really disgusting g comment when you go so low to attack the way a person looks. Deal with policy not with how someone looks
  
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  June 18, 2019 12:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It was a pretty disgusting comment. I thought that sort of thing was not allowed on Kiwiblog any more.
    
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    June 18, 2019 1:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Some people find it difficult to express their utter contempt for our coalition members… I am one of them.
      
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      June 18, 2019 2:42pm
      - Alien
        
        Some people get smacked for calling people liars, yet a comment like the above is allowed, bizarre and sad
        
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        June 18, 2019 3:17pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Alien : Grow up it’s all right for you to make comments to people that is disrespectful like you did to Tony Stuart at 9.14 this morning. Can you please explain the difference.
        
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        June 18, 2019 4:10pm
      - Alien
        
        If you mean the comment at 9:28 that isn’t to tony, it’s to the person above him and it was a nice clean joke, u like the filth you constantly post.. if you think it is ok to post that a minister looks like he’d just given a blow job, you really do need to grow up and stop acting like a dickhead
        
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        June 18, 2019 6:53pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Talking of disgusting and disrespectful comments MM you had no problem taking the dick out of those with brain tumors and your comments were allowed.
      
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      June 18, 2019 3:32pm
      - Alien
        
        Grow the hell up.
        
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        June 18, 2019 3:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I have no problem with brain tumour humour. I do have a problem with imagining that you are actually happy, chappy.
        
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        June 18, 2019 3:59pm
- Tricati
  
  So, Robbo is having a crack at John Key for making a decisive executive decision to sack David Hisco for inappropriate expense claims.
  Robbo, this what effective leaders do; not waiting for an SSC review of your Treasury CEO and the feeble attempt to smear National. Seams you haven’t learnt from that with your clearly ‘political’ comments in regard to the ANZ, which is an independent commercial enterprise.
  Your boss could also learn from John Key, as her handling of ministerial misdemeanours is pathetic and points to ineffective and weak leadership.
  
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  June 18, 2019 1:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hmmm, so Key didn’t wait for a review?
    
    ANZ announced on May 30 that Hisco was going on sick leave, a day before he was due to introduce Robertson at an annual post-Budget breakfast.
    On Monday ANZ announced that he was leaving, amid a dispute over the way expenses were recorded.
    Chairman, former prime minister Sir John Key, said the review of Hisco’s expenses originated in Australia. It had been underway for several months.
    During the press conference Key was unclear about when the decision was made for Hisco to depart.
    
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    June 18, 2019 1:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      The decision would have been made in Australia by ANZ’s chief executive and the main board, of which John Key is a member.
      
      The Leftist media are hitting on John Key for political reasons – he’s a former National Coalition leader, and was a popular one.
      
      And when did a union side with a highly paid NZ chief executive, as the bank workers’ union has on this issue?
      
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      June 18, 2019 2:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        My comments was directed at Tricati’s woefully inept comparison, actually.
        But, wdening the discussion, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the ANZ’s New Zealand board actually does, given the two latest stuff-ups had to be detected by the Australian parent company.
        As for the union’s position, wasn’t it more outrage that the former CE has got off so lightly for something that would warrant instant dismissal of a junior staff member?
        
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        June 18, 2019 3:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky asks “perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the ANZ’s New Zealand board actually does.”
        
        If a company sets up a subsidiary in New Zealand for any reason, it is required to have a board under the Companies Act, though this can be as few as one director. ANZ Bank New Zealand Ltd at last balance date (September 30) had total assets of $NZ159 billion, net assets of $13.1 billion, $127 billion out in loans, $30.6 billion under management. I think the board has a reasonable job to do.
        
        ANZ Bank New Zealand has six directors, including John Key, the chairman. The others are: Shayne Cary Elliott and Michelle Nicole Jablko, of Australia; Antony John Carter, of Auckland; Mark John Verbiest, of Wanaka; and Joan Withers, of Papakura.
        
        Those seeking to embarrass John Key seem to overlook that ANZ Bank New Zealand is audited by an internationally reputable accounting firm.
        
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        June 18, 2019 6:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So the bank’s board and its auditors failed, despite their reputation?
        
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        June 18, 2019 8:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And Robbo didn’t even have the class to call Key by his proper name ‘Sir John Key’, instead referring to him as ‘Mr. Key’.
    Once a lefty dickhead, always a lefty dickhead.
    
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    June 18, 2019 8:33pm
- skyblue
  
  Alf in the mouth.
  
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  June 18, 2019 1:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Really? Moderators?
    
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    June 18, 2019 3:57pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He didn’t call ardern a liar so he is good to go.
      
      She is the only one to be provided full protection.
      
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      June 18, 2019 8:54pm
    - srylands
      
      Why don’t you volunteer to be a moderator?
      
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      June 18, 2019 9:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I already did.
        
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        June 18, 2019 10:11pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

pakeha=white pig. Art that is racially perjorative is fine right?
https://pikdo.net/p/thehori/2031858331282595758_379255521
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June 18, 2019 12:01pm
- Alien
  
  Forward it to the race relations commission and see what real racism looks like as they ignore you
  
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  June 18, 2019 12:13pm
Swifty

A little antidote for those irked by the recent milkshakings going on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=heka2mxQJp8

Heh. Love the cigarette.
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June 18, 2019 12:44pm
- Fletch
  
  He looks a bit like a young Liam Neeson….
  
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  June 18, 2019 1:30pm
mandk

The Provincial Growth Fund is wasting taxpayers’ money by supporting projects that would go ahead anyway.

The latest example is the new Kerikeri Airport terminal, which received $1.75 million from the Fund.

However, this was completely unnecessary, given the owner (Far North District Council) had already committed to the project before the Fund was launched.
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June 18, 2019 1:01pm
Jack5

The stand-off between the country’s big banks and the Reserve Bank governor, Adrian Orr, continues with Adrian Orr apparently unhappy about not being kept in the picture over the departure of the ANZ Bank’s New Zealand branch chief executive.

However, the core of the row remains the Reserve Bank’s plan for trading banks to lift their capital ratios in New Zealand.

Michael Reddell, at his blog, Croaking Cassandra, has been challenging Orr, and today Reddell looks at an article by ANZ researchers recommending what the Reserve Bank might do in the next recession.

As a layman, I find the possibility of negative interest rates to be “interesting” in the old Chinese philosophers’ sense.

Reddell laments:

” … there has been nothing done, no debate held, no analysis published, on dealing with fact that at present people can convert limitless amounts into hard currency, and will do so at some point once interest rates on other instruments (wholesale ones in particular) are substantially negative.”

The ANZ researchers’ article:

https://www.anz.co.nz/resources/9/f/9ff8ec97-a5c7-47ca-9bab-9f94d61ef2bb/ANZ-Economic-Insight-20190617.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Reddell’s article:

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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June 18, 2019 2:00pm
Fletch

Paddy Gower keen to compete on Dancing With The Stars.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2019/06/patrick-gower-keen-to-compete-on-dancing-with-the-stars.html

Someone nails it with a comment under the story on Facebook –

“He has a rhythm of a thunderbird puppet
And the looks to match”

I don’t know how he thinks of himself as a “star” anyway….
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June 18, 2019 2:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  Perhaps he wants to dance “with a star”… David Seymour perhaps…..
  
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  June 18, 2019 3:17pm
Pateke

Minister of Health supports legalising weed, in spite of overwhelming research on the health issue related to the substance. That’s just great. Associate Minister of Transport supports weed despite having charge of road toll. Proposer of bill to legalise weed speaks to teenage children in schools about legalising weed. Not a good day for mature leadership from the government.
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June 18, 2019 3:11pm
Swifty

This really is shit repeating from Stuff:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/113568518/get-a-job-german-couple-mocked-following-appeal-for-money-for-trip

As much as it pains me to say it – the guy’s not German at all, he’s actually a Kiwi. Been here since he was 11 or so. Mum still living in Aucks.
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June 18, 2019 3:13pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/113548376/recruitment-process-raises-stakes-for-confrontation

Appointment contrary to Auditor-General (O.A.G) guidelines.
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June 18, 2019 4:44pm
- sooty
  
  Well, who would have thunk a bunch of lefty toadies would have screwed the scrum!
  
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  June 18, 2019 9:02pm
Happychappy

Who would have ever thought Paddy Gower would have been one of the first Journalists to change his mind.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/patrick-gower-reveals-worst-call-he-s-made-as-a-journalist.html
I am not a fan of Paddy but you have to take your hat off to him for his admission that his call was wrong.
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June 18, 2019 6:58pm
bc

Judith Collins did a superb interview on Q & A last night. Dealt with the two tricky issues – National’s track record on housing, polls/leadership – with ease.
By the end of the interview she had Jack Tame eating out of her hand.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/q-and-a/clips/q-a-with-judith-collins

Please, please National (you have reduced me to begging now!), get over your personal grudges with Judith.

We need to talk about Simon …

… otherwise another term in opposition.
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June 18, 2019 7:32pm
Jack5

? Good post by the Point of Order blog’s team on the interview by Corinn Dann of David Seymour on Red Radio’s Morning Report.

Dann suggested ACT’s stand on free speech might attract fascists and Nazis to join the ACT Party.

Seymour said he was batting for the great number of New Zealanders who believe that free expression is important as a fundamental value of our society that the current government is not taking seriously enough.

“The price of a free society is that people will sometimes say rude and offensive things.”

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/contact/
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June 18, 2019 7:50pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  His stance on Freedom of Speech is the main reason I am thinking of voting for Act. Their policy on Guns and Climate are also persuasive. If that makes me a Nazi and a Fascist, so be it, however, I think it makes the left look desperate.
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:10pm
MrTips

Jeepers. Jacinda’s copped a lashing here: https://mobile.twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1140710752740708352

Shame.
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June 18, 2019 8:34pm
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  Diddums. Out of her depth. Incompetent, Shallow, Ignorant, Immature, Petulant. Feel free to add….
  
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  June 18, 2019 10:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … HOUSING … What are the consequences when this Ponzi collapses ? …

China’s home prices growth fastest in five months, raises policy challenge – Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-houseprices/chinas-home-prices-growth-fastest-in-five-months-raises-policy-challenge-idUSKCN1TJ04J

… important earlier reports …

China’s debt disease is infecting its housing market — Gwynn Guilford – Quartz

https://qz.com/1615596/chinas-debt-disease-is-infecting-its-housing-market/

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900
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June 19, 2019 4:40am
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND … ANZ Bank Key / Hisco circus … continues …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-19-june-2019/#comment-3372095

ANZ completed probe into Hisco’s expenses before staff were told of sick leave | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113589665/anz-completed-probe-into-hiscos-expenses-before-staff-were-told-of-sick-leave
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Google New Zealand Search ‘ANZ David Hisco’ …

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=2hkJXZiIFNK7rQGkjKLQBA&q=anz+david+hisco&oq=anz+david+hisco&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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