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All_on_Red

Plan B: It’s the babeeeee
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June 8, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  Plan C Wedding!
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    Plan D An other baby.
    
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    June 8, 2019 8:33am
    - BrownSnake
      
      No it is always going to be
      Plan F.
      
      F for France
      Visit France that country of Peace in the Pacific
      
      Plan F
      
      F the Country one way or another.
      
      The only thing in the countries favour is when they set out to do something they Plan F Fail.
      
      So there might be something left after they F F F.
      
      Failed
      
      But the 3 page Pdf done for France is really going to work it will bring World Peace and Love
      and most of All Love to the internet
      
      So we Love you Jacinda
      
      Remember
      
      Plan F
      
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      June 8, 2019 10:29am
Rob2

Well wake up you sleepy lot.
Still in bed just because its a bit cool.
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June 8, 2019 8:09am
artemisia

119 Kiwibuild homes completed, so total is creeping up. However only 86 home owners, some of whom may not have moved in yet, if they have bought off the plans or their new place is still under construction.

What is more interesting is that the number contracted has stayed the same for at least the past 3 months. Sounds like there’s a moratorium on new contracts. Colour me surprised.
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June 8, 2019 8:10am
freethinker

Another day ending in Y and another Public service cock up, yesterday the NZ Transport Agencies Webshite was down nationally so no Rego/RUC could be transacted. Will their agents be recompensed for the expenses of being available but unable to earn – is the Pope a Muslim? Remind me who is the minister, ah yes its our King of Kiwifail and master of incompetence and super spin Phil the Twitford so why am I not surprised?
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June 8, 2019 8:10am
- tf78
  
  Funnily enough I did my rego yesterday – it took 3-4 attempts to get the payment through, but it did work with persistence.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:32am
  - SGA
    
    Did mine 30 minutes ago. No problems. Such is life, I suppose.
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:50am
- Nutta
  
  Check with Twyford. Was it hacked?
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:10pm
Happychappy

Ther have been several columns on the budget leak and the liestgat go with it but Duncan Garner and a few other Journalst are changing their tune on the Governments ability to tell the truth.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/113328146/my-red-black-and-green-test-for-this-government
Is the tide about to turn on a Government that cannot understand the meaning of the word Truth.
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June 8, 2019 8:11am
- Wired-one
  
  You say that, but then we have to put up with this bullshit https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/113269797/jacinda-ardern-looks-unbeatable-for-now
  
  Read it if you feel like projectile vomiting.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:37am
  - Lizziep
    
    Read it and was a little bit sick in my mouth, it’s far too early to suffer that. What have we come to, it’s pathetic and an embarrassment to NZ
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    I once had a lot of time for Van Beynen as a journalist but that hagiography leads me to think he has lost the plot.
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:28am
    - Martin Williams
      
      Don’t worry. Van Beynen is still a card carrying RWNJ. He just knows when he’s beat.
      
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      June 8, 2019 10:06am
      - srylands
        
        What the hell is a RWNJ?
        
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        June 8, 2019 1:32pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Just emptied breakfast all over the keyboard.
    
    What planet is that guy from.
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:30am
  - fisho
    
    I note they closed the comments after 11 were posted. Probably became too difficult to filter any more posidividy from the thousands of other comments calling bullshit.
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:33am
    - sooty
      
      Would by chance think he was a pram pusher?
      Labour must be feeling the love, if they have every Tom, Dick and Martin bursting into print singing the praises!
      
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      June 8, 2019 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The story is paywalled, but one picture is worth a 10,000 words…
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12238374
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:20am
  - tf78
    
    The buses seem quite regular in Wellington these days, the road toll from them has yet to be announced.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:42am
  - Raphael
    
    3 lines of javascript in a browser console does magic……
    
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    June 8, 2019 12:50pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      stop teasing…. post at You stupid boy if can’t here….
      
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      June 8, 2019 8:47pm
freethinker

And to keep part forgotten topics alive Karol Sroubec, the Labour sex pervert (Fingergate) 2 Sept at Auckland District Court will be revealing and of course the Budget leak, Robbo ardern and Makgoofy, come on National shien a light on these topics the COLL prefer forgotten. 2019 is proving to be arderns Anus Horriblis so lets look forward to a generous helping of Robbos Rare Rump Steak.
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June 8, 2019 8:15am
- Komata
  
  Freethinker@08215
  
  The problem with your suggestion is that Simon seems to almost willingly ignore such possibilites, to the extent that it is possible to believe he actually DOESN’T want to touch them and actually agrees with them.
  
  So many opportunities, so little action…
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:25am
Rob2

Police Minister Stuart Nash is urging Hawke’s Bay retailers to report when gang members try to purchase big ticket items with cash, as the region attempts to clamp down on gang activity.

But some shops aren’t convinced this would have any effect at all on gangs.

Nash, who met with the region’s four mayors, and Eastern District Commander Superintendent Tania Kura this week, said they all agreed to work together to really make a difference.

Well stuff me with a turkey.

Nash thinks that small shopkeepers are going to dob in gang members, the result of which would be the trashing of their shops and probably physical harm to them and their families.
Why doesn’t he and Little
Andrew grow some balls instead of hair on their faces and outlaw these gangs, lock the fuckers up for a longtime and take all their ill gotten gains.
Oh that would be an infringement of their human rights.

Well tough. what about the communities rights to have a safe community. Safe from drug violence which is escalating rapidly.

Long past time we dealt with these pieces of human garbage.
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June 8, 2019 8:16am
- Rob2
  
  But, but failing Phil and Robbo are devising a new plan for roading and housing to future proof it all. Well Robbo said so so it must be so. Couldn’t do this while sipping lattes whilst i n opposition, doing it now and its odds on the the Girly Genter will be driving the useless pair of “males” down that track.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:19am
- Colville
  
  The shop keepers wont dob them in because the money is too good.
  
  From what I hear its the Tradies getting wads of cash from gang associates that the Goivt should be worried about. Buying absolute shitters and doing them up with black cash.
  More than a few have started off in drugs to end up with a large property portfolio.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:33am
  - Liberty
    
    Meanwhile the State pillages the cream of the top of the sales with its vile GST.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:02am
    - Colville
      
      Totally wrong.
      
      The tradies claim the GST as part of their business expenses and the cash never gets reported.
      
      The Govt gets screwed twice.
      
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      June 8, 2019 12:09pm
      - Liberty
        
        The Tradie with new GST free 4*4 nurd wagon with a dog in the back.
        On the fast track to being in the TAX shit.
        It’s all been done before and failed.
        
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        June 8, 2019 3:48pm
- Skinny White Boy
  
  Indeed. Where was the funding in the budget for a crack-down on these drug dealing thugs. 80 patched up this year alone in HB I am told. And lets not forget where a great deal of mental illness originates – addiction. So $1.9b to ‘fix’ a problem created largely by snowflake politicians who refuse to ‘cut the head off the snake’. Even Winnie appears to have now gone soft on gangs. Nash needs to get his arse out of the cafes and gyms of Wellywood and visit Flaxmere, Maraenui etc.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Drug violence escalating rapidly.
  
  One killed , 3 others injured. MSSA . Drugs . No doubt gang.
  The media ? Ho hum , not much to see here , move along please , there’s a climate emergency that needs touting.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113310113/shooting-victims-also-charged-over-kawhia-gunshot-drama
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:51pm
Lee C

I accuse the media.

The current administration went feral and made all sorts of gross unfounded or shall we say ‘creative’ accusations about The Opposition.

IMO this was the result being so indulged and un-criticised by the media, that they felt they could defame Bridges and National publicly, and get away with it.

This current woeful lapse of sanity by the current administration is, in part, the result of being spoiled by a credulous and over-indulgent media.

Frankly, they (the media) haven’t been doing their jobs for pretty much the tenure of the current administration – some might argue even prior to that.

The current administration confirms the old joke:

“Why does a dog lick its balls? … ”

Because it can.

And I accuse the sychophants in the media of being central agencies in this clusterf**k..
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June 8, 2019 8:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ha, you’ll love the opinion piece on Stuff this morning by Martin Van Beynon claiming that Ms Ardern is unbeatable and that she is better than President Kennedy.
  The best bit though was his inclusion of a memo from a high level Kennedy staffer referencing Kennedy’s character and reputation – which was apparently not to be criticised. This for a man who was, amongst other things, a serial womaniser and marriage cheater .
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:29am
  - tf78
    
    Kennedy came to a rather sticky end so maybe not such a good comparison.
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:05am
    - Rob2
      
      He was know to be a hard dog to keep on the porch as well.
      
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      June 8, 2019 1:15pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And apparently with a fondness for methamphetamine…
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:07am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    If you needed any more evidence that Stuff Editors are actively campaigning for the Government, it lies with the fact that they will publish a puff piece on the PM at 4am, then close comments on the same price at 7am on a Saturday, after 11 comments.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:07am
- Souvlaki
  
  Audrey Young in particular IMO, has lost any pretense at objectivity as far as Ardern is concerned.
  Who would really choose to pay for the touted “Premium content” on the Herald website when 90% of the time it is dross!??
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:34am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Why would anyone pay for ‘premium’, when it is freely available on both Firefox and Chrome?
    
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nzherald-fixer/
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:23am
- Lizziep
  
  Well said, thanks
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:08am
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Brain Tumour Day!
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June 8, 2019 8:23am
- MickMac
  
  There’s nothing happy about it.
  Awful disease.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:10am
- SGA
  
  Wishing someone a happy brain tumour day seems extremely odd, mma. Reminds me of the old joke carol “We wish you a merry syphilis and a happy gonorrhea”.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s surely a cue for a Monty Python song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHCxIiZ_4M
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The humour doesn’t work, and I don’t even know anyone who’s had brain cancer.
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I know of two… both now dead. One went blind a couple of years before succumbing.
    The other had less than 6 months of life from diagnosis to demise… nasty, nasty time for his wife and youngish kids.
    
    https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/world-brain-tumor-day-2019-all-you-need-to-know-1559917184-1
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:16am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes Maggy. A friend’s son died from a brain tumour some years ago. He was in his late 30’s, and the death was devastating for his parents. This young man was also blind for the last few months of his life; an active young man who loved tramping and hunting, rendered completely dependent on family.
      
      Sorry mikenmild, there’s nothing remotely happy about brain tumours, and I hope no one close to you is ever stricken by one.
      
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      June 8, 2019 2:13pm
- Happychappy
  
  My Grandmother, Father and Uncle all died of a Brain Tumour in their early fifties and I never found that a happy day on any of the occasions. Then you wonder why people call you a wanker.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:23am
- Nutta
  
  Really? You’re an idiot. Hopefully you don’t have, or ever know anyone that suffers from, a brain tumor/cancer.
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:20pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh dear. Can anyone else suggest some other topics that are unsuitable for humour?
  No?
  On with the brain tumour humor then.
  Don’t worry about your brain tumour being too funny. It’ll grow on you.
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not really complaining, just not to my taste. Black humour has it’s place. Like:
    
    What did the blind orphaned 4 year old girl get for Christmas?
    
    Cancer.
    
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    June 8, 2019 4:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There was a thread here a few days ago about humour. some people don’t even like jokes about the Holocaust.
      But about those brain tumours:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Fsmjt-XXk
      
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      June 8, 2019 5:03pm
- John Warren
  
  Fuck off Mike. I lost my first wife to a brain tumour. She was 36. Go to hell.
  
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  June 8, 2019 8:23pm
MickMac

Coal is here to stay, so why do we beat ourselves up?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/china_and_india_will_watch_the_west_destroy_itself.html
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June 8, 2019 8:38am
- Inandout
  
  Coal is a bloody marvelous and plentiful fuel. We shall just wait until our electricity is sapped by EVs charging by the hundreds of thousands and consumers are screaming about power cuts. Oh I just love the force of discontented plebs.
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A German Psychiatrist writes of the fanaticism that lies behind Greta Thunberg’s climate advocacy.
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/greta_und_ihre_eltern_nicht_hysterisch_soindern_fanatisch

And if you can’t get the article translated…a summary
https://notrickszone.com/2019/06/07/thunbergs-climate-alarmism-deemed-fanaticism-strangely-courted-by-western-elites-german-psychiatrist-writes/
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June 8, 2019 8:46am
- Doctor Who
  
  Don’t need a psychiatrist to explain the term for those who reject the warnings from the IPCC and others, upon which Great Thunberg acts.
  
  Fucking nutters!
  
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  June 8, 2019 7:53pm
toby1845

From the Herald: “Little told NewstalkZB yesterday that he passed on Hampton’s concerns to Robertson in a timely way, but would not say whether that was before Robertson released his statement.

“I’m satisfied that I acted appropriately and in a timely way with all the information I had,” Little said.

“I know what I know. Grant Robertson knows what he knows, and actually Grant and I know what we each know.

“I’m quite happy and relaxed about anything I had to do in relation to any of this.”

While the quotes above are accurate, the written word doesn’t capture how clear Little was in his comments during the Newstalk ZB interview on Newstalk ZB. He emphasised the word ‘I’ in relationship to his own involvement quite firmly.

‘Something’ is up. Either Robertson (and probably Ardern) has lied, or GR and JA have agreed to let Makhlouf perpetrate the lie. If it is the latter, it is a lie by omission, and a gross abuse of power. National need to hammer this.

I might add that I suspect intuitively that Little has more basic integrity than the other two.
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June 8, 2019 8:49am
- alloytoo
  
  It sounded, and HDPA opinioned afterward that Little had thrown GR under the bus.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:46am
- Tempist
  
  Know someone who worked with little in his engineers’ union days; said they wouldn’t trust him as far as they could comfortably spit a rat.
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:48pm
  - toby1845
    
    That’s probably quite true, but it still puts him ahead of Ardern and Robertson on the Integrity Meter.
    
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    June 8, 2019 6:04pm
herb1

Andrew Little was reported in todays Herald , saying he was happy with his actions , in response to a question about wether he passed on the GCSB advice prior to Robertsons Press release.

It sounds very like he did , which could be awkward for Ardern and Robertson.

I have often wondered where Ardern got her “lets do this ” from.
Episode 7 season 1 House of Cards. Congressman Russo agreeing to give it a go for a Governorship ,says to Frank Underwood ” Lets do this”
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June 8, 2019 8:49am
- Scooter
  
  She’s only good for buzzwords “let’s do this; recalibrate; year of delivery; wellbeing. Don’t actions speak louder than words?
  
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  June 8, 2019 5:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I have often wondered
  
  Really? You didn’t know it was a Hannah Montana song?
  
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  June 8, 2019 6:34pm
MickMac

Yet another reason to not have more Muslims immigrate or refugee to NZ, we don’t want Italy or other countries experiences.
David Garrett is correct on this matter.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/islams_war_on_the_christian_cross.html
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June 8, 2019 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
  David Garret posts unhinged Islamaphobic hogwash!
  
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  June 8, 2019 2:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Martin van Beynen tells us that Jacinda Ardern is our JFK , but better.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/113269797/jacinda-ardern-looks-unbeatable-for-now#comments

and Stuff closes the comments section after 11 comments.
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June 8, 2019 9:03am
- MickMac
  
  11 comments..
  I guess they’ll not allow mine in response to Duncan Garners piece, through moderation this am.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:08am
- The Feed
  
  The most telling thing is closing it after 11 comments.
  
  Methinks the tide has turned and the MSM are getting very worried.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    No one feels any love for the media!
    Do you blame them! One eyed pram pushers!
    
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    June 8, 2019 9:53am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I counted and could only see about 5 somewhat negative comments. Some ppl still like Taxinda while at least admitting the CoL is failing to reach its targets.
    
    I just don’t see how people can like her after knowing that she was the leader of International Socialist Youth. What the heck do they think someone like that wants to do to this country??
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:07am
    - The Feed
      
      Going by past performance, negative comments are unlikely to have been published.
      
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      June 8, 2019 11:26am
- Scott
  
  Maggy – it’s so interesting to me that the left are just not interested in debate anymore? I thought those 11 comments were fairly moderate but perhaps the next 11 were more sceptical of our PM?
  The media are generally shills for Jacinda and whatever she wants to do.
  
  But is her reelection more leftist progressive wishful thinking? The polls and the media were so wrong on Brexit, Trump and the Australian elections.
  
  I think Labour is in a very precarious position. Nothing they do promotes growth and economic activity. They haven’t even cut immigration. They haven’t even built thousands of affordable homes.
  
  Exactly what have they done? Jacinda was warm and empathic following the Christchurch massacre. In response we will now have more Muslim refugees. Hardly an unmixed blessing?!
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree the 11 comments are very mild, even complimentary, …. but as I discovered yonks ago… Stuff do not let comments through that point out the mistakes in an article.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:08am
  - Wired-one
    
    None of that matters unfortunately. The media treat Ardern as the next messiah, the budget next year will undoubtedly have plenty of sweeteners for people who are shallow and are swayed by that sort of thing. Winston will get back in due to voters, who will be fooled by his rhetoric but forget about his actions. And add to that Arderns “royal wedding”, and an election that will be predominantly focused on cannabis, which will get the left’s voters out, frankly it’s not looking good.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:25am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Wired-one, it could also though bring out those opposed to Recreational Drug Reform in big numbers also.
      
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      June 8, 2019 12:04pm
      - Wired-one
        
        My feeling is the majority of those people already do vote.
        
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        June 8, 2019 12:48pm
- calendar girl
  
  Stuffed already?
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Martin van Beynen is a former lawyer, and did a fine job on the final Bain trial and other criminal cases.
  
  Martin will have to lean left at Stuff though, if he wants to avoid being pruned out as an old(ish) white man.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:28am
- John Warren
  
  I would bet money they closed the comments because MvB was generally being ripped a new one. They allowed 11 pro-Ardern ones through, but because up and down votes are gone we can’t get a sense of the reaction to them. Stuff has emasculated free speech on their site.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:30am
- Swifty
  
  I’ve never understood that – why do they close them at all? Surely they want people to engage in and click on stories to the greatest level.
  
  Is it because their limited number of mods need to move on to other stories?
  
  Beats me.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:31am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They are losing money, and moderation costs
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:22am
  - rouppe
    
    It’s because criticism of the Dear Leader is not allowed. Just like criticism of climate change advocates is not allowed
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:49am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Stuff used to at least have a purpose: the comments showed a variety of opinions and one’s ability to vote on them soon showed that the readers are more centre/right than the hard left Stuff seems to endorse.
    
    Now Stuff has no purpose at all…
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:12am
- Im Right
  
  I had to be careful of my wording on my comment on stuff Maggie, the whole article was a basic ticker tape parade for Jacinda which I wholeheartedly objected to (it’s ok, I wasn’t offended nor needed a safe space) as it does not mention Labour are only there due to NZ1st and the Greens.
  I can only surmise the amount of negative comments were vastly outstripping the positive ones which means 11 published then closed off!
  Rhetorical question: If this was an opinion written on stuff bagging Bridges/National you can be sure the comments would not have been closed down till about 500 comments, mostly against the opinion.
  Sighhhhhh, I do hope the Aussies sell off stuff as it’s just a fanzone for the left.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Nobody wants to buy Stuff – it has not enough value to buy !
    
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    June 8, 2019 1:39pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Stuff could see how the ticks and downticks were looking for Comrade Adern so made the call to remove them and sensor a lot of comments. All straight forward stuff if you have a Communications degree and a fear of free debate
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:42am
- rouppe
  
  I was going to comment on this as well.
  
  He completely misses the key point he himself made about Kennedy: “When lies must be told, they should be told by subordinate officials.”
  
  That statement alone shows that there was no compunction about lying, it was just who was the face of that lie.
  
  Others have mentioned the womanising. But he also presided over the initiation of the Vietnam war. He said he was against colonialism. However when the Vietnamese asked for his help to remove the French colonial power, not only did he not help the Vietnamese people, he provided troops to help the French colonial masters.
  
  The French got cold feet and left, and then because of the fear of the “Red Peril” of Chinese backed communism sweeping through South East Asia, he doubled down, and the Vietnam War was born.
  
  Then there’s all the dirty activities in South America under his watch.
  
  JFK was revered, that is true. He was a great orator (Obama anyone?). But make no mistake, he was as cruel and dirty as anyone else.
  
  Which brings us to Adern. Kind? Ask the oil and gas workers in Taranaki. Ask the increasing numbers of homeless. Ask the people who thought they’d have access to “affordable homes’ but – notwithstanding few have been built – are out of reach for many.
  
  Will Adern win next year. I actually think yes, mainly due to inertia and cluelessness from National. But Martin’s deifying of Adern is simply propaganda.
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wow. Please remind me how the French got President Kennedy to send troops to Vietnam over six years before he was elected.
    As someone with only a cursory knowledge of modern history, I should still be amazed that your ignorance got only upticks. But this is Kiwiblog, after all.
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Explain why Kennedy threw money at the South Vietnamese and in 1961 decided to buddy-up with Diem.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_administration#Vietnam
      
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      June 8, 2019 4:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s some background….from the John F. Kennedy Library
        https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/teachers/curricular-resources/high-school-curricular-resources/jfk-and-vietnam-the-september-1963-tv-interviews
        
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        June 8, 2019 4:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I am quite sure you are capable of finding that out for yourself, Maggy. You can use Wikipedia, after all, so you are already better informed than rouppe.
        But did you have any comment on rouppe’s ignorance, or the foolishness of the Kiwibloggers that automatically uptick such gibberish?
        
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        June 8, 2019 5:07pm
- marcw
  
  “Closed after 11 comments”. All sycophantic towards Ardern apparently – I smell a rat! Remember when Telecom got busted for getting its own staff to write good reviews online? How many nom de plumes do you think Stuff staff own? Watkins probably has dozen or so herself to to make sure to pass on the good word to the princess’s adoring masses.
  
  I smell a rat!!
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:27am
  - herb1
    
    Josephine F is a regular poster and has previously been reported as a Stuff journalist. When she was identified she toned down her nastiness which was only ever directed at Bridges , National and their supporters.
    Once outed you’d think Stuff would have banned her from commenting
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:34pm
- projectman
  
  What is van Beynen saying? That there is a hidden side to JA we don’t know about?
  
  BTW, why should his opinion count for anything. This is yet another instance of the media outlets giving time / space to anything that will attempt to put the CoL in a good light despite their liturgy of fuck-ups since the 2017 election.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:41am
  - Paulus
    
    It is reported in her office that Ardern has one hell of a temper when she does not get her own way.
    
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    June 8, 2019 1:42pm
    - John Warren
      
      Multiple sources have now attested to Ardern’s petulant temper behind closed doors. Watching her, it’s not difficult to perceive what she is like when the cameras are off. Then the fact that such allegations frequently leak from presumably Ardern-friendly inner circles, rather lends weight to the proposition.
      
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      June 8, 2019 6:18pm
kevn

@Maggy… Must have been a satire article, surely.
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June 8, 2019 9:09am
- Scooter
  
  With his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.
  
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  June 8, 2019 6:30pm
lastmanstanding

Some random thoughts on the Hacking Inquiry.

Having Ombler conduct the inquiry is no different from having a senior executive of a company conduct an inquiry into the behaviour of other senior executives and Directors.
It is a governance nonsense.
In the case of a company the usual process is to have a QC who is completely unkown to the parties and who are unknown to the QC conduct the inquiry.

Following comments on my post that a retired NZ High Court Judge should conduct the inquiry I have reflected on this.

I now believe the inquiry should be conducted by a retired High Court Judge from a country where none of the parties are aware of the others.

I suggest either UK or Canada. Both have similar governance and legal systems to NZ.

As to the inquiry I predict Ombler will have had the script already prepared for him.

It will in the words of a former PM say;

Nothing to see here move on.

Reasons.

Cabinet Ministers are above reproach. We have ample evidence of this already.

Whilst it would be tempting to throw the Head of Treasury under the bus his future employment at the IRB is already under question.

He could easily threaten to release a transcript or worse a recording of the various meetings to show who the guilty parties were and that they all “lied in unison”.

He would have nothing to lose and everything to gain by extracting Utu.
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June 8, 2019 9:12am
- niggly
  
  Fully agree and Treasury Secretary Gabriel Makhlouf should spill the beans on Robbo and Labour – what has he to loose, after all Labour have already started to blame Makhlouf for “misleading” the Govt (which is starting to unravel anyway) and now it seems the Irish (Opposition) Labour Party wants Makhlouf’s appointment as head of Ireland’s Central Bank suspended – NZ Labour and Ireland’s Labour are trashing Makhlouf’s reputation, time the man came clean to clear his name, because as we know from previous times Labour has form in trashing civil servants including those at the very top of their departments – no one is immune from Labour Party bullying, miss-truths and arse-covering!
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:30am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No politician or C-suite one will ever give a job to someone who fails to practice top level Omerta on their bosses behalf regardless of right or wrong. Makhlouf will remain silent to keep his career going.
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:26am
- Alien
  
  It doesn’t appear to of gained in traction, people don’t care. A few minister and pm seem to be implicated, but in a week or two now one will care but a few on the blogs.
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:30am
- Jules99
  
  Instead of having elites run inquiries about other elites, maybe it should be opened to public scrutiny. Either release all documents or, where there might be confidentiality issues, have a system similar to the jury in a court.
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:11pm
MCos

The Warriors play at Mt Smart at five o’clock when the temperature will be about fifteen and it’s not too late to take the wee kids.
The Crusaders play in their wretched temporary Christchurch stadium at seven thirty when the temperature will be about seven.
Why is SANZA so inflexible with the time our teams play, when the RSA all seem to take place in the afternoon sunshine?
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June 8, 2019 9:12am
- Colville
  
  Because early evening for us is breakfast time for the Saffers so they get to watch the games live.
  He who has the gold makes the rules…and its their telly rights that pay the bills.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:51am
- Alien
  
  I believe the games are time slotted on tv coverage overseas.
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:28am
Swifty

On the matter of funds for people affected by the CHC tragedy:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/113271644/christchurch-terror-attack-trauma-for-some-not-covered-by-victim-support-payments

With respect to families who have lost members, especially breadwinners, and those who have had members injured I applaud and support efforts to provide monies to them (I donated) to assist them getting on with their lives.

For those who witnessed the events, or who were otherwise on the periphery, and not directly harmed, I question whether we should hand money to them – and especially where giving them a dollar means one dollar less for a family who has lost a Dad or Mum who was the breadwinner.

For those on the periphery, if they are so torn up by things that they can’t work and support themselves well we have ACC and a comprehensive welfare net available to them.

Unfortunately, people witness or are on the periphery of tragic events all the time. Is it a good thing that we now begin to throw money to people for this? Are we now to witness the beginning of a new industry? What will the money actually do for them? Where is the proof that giving someone $5,000, $10,000 following their witnessing of, say, a car accident, actually leads to better outcomes for them, as opposed to those who just get on?

Is this sort of thing ripe for abuse?

As we have seen so repeatedly with Grenfell Tower – literally tens of people not remotely connected with the tragedy have now been convicted of preying like vultures on the subsequent public goodwill – this worthy endeavour is ripe for abuse by the corrupt and unscrupulous.
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June 8, 2019 9:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

4 million refugees from Venezuela.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/07/venezuela-exodus-4-million-un-refugee-agency

Perhaps we could bring in a few to NZ in our refugee quota.
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June 8, 2019 9:21am
- Jack5
  
  No Muslims there, Maggy, so there will be little chance.
  
  Still a token handful of refugees from tropical Colombia have been settled in freezing Southland.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:26am
  - Alien
    
    Over 100,000 Muslim in Venezuela
    
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    June 8, 2019 10:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      Alien, oh wow! How long did it take you dredge that factoid up?
      
      How many Atheists , Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses while your at it?
      
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      June 8, 2019 1:51pm
      - Alien
        
        3 seconds, it’s called google, you should try it one day then you post so much incorrect rubbish
        
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        June 8, 2019 3:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Not particularly skilled or smart populace. I’d prefer Mongolians for their drive and intelligence
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:29am
- The King
  
  Nope, i oppose colonialism by Venezuelans.
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:43am
Jack5

The Herald today prints the photograph of a Dunedin law student, who, apparently drunk, shouted anti-Muslim comments.

But has anyone seen a photograph of the young Muslim who was charged with planning a car-and-knife massacre of Christchurch citizens? Don’t think they have.
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June 8, 2019 9:24am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hardly a surprise.
  The Herald will be very keen to publish stories that fit the narratives that it is pushing.
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5, all kinds of people ask and get suppression orders in our court system including this celeb,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10701477
  
  Or this,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12210122
  
  A bane on our justice system many say but does not apply exclusively to Muslims of the kind you mention.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:33am
Swifty

Getting a quick trim the other day from the ‘Gay Blade’ my local fruity barber – he had this song on. A snappy pick-me-up for a cold, wet and windy (here in Auks) Saturday morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMM5-zBCEc

For the more spiritual KB readers here today or those who have just finished a big fat number the song refers to:

‘A rather famous Zen koan states ‘First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is’, referring to the spiritual path.

The unenlightened mind sees a mountain. The enlightened mind sees the mountain (and all things for that matter) as no-mountain (no-thing, devoid of a fixed self), a ripple on the ocean of sunyata that underlies reality.

But to be able to communicate with and help living beings transcend their suffering, that enlightened being also chooses to see the mountain as we do, as a mountain.’
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June 8, 2019 9:41am
- Swifty
  
  Hendrix, meanwhile, is standing next to a mountain and he chops it down with the edge of his hand….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqLEg0MsSMQ
  
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  June 8, 2019 10:20am
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND: Will Housing Minister Twyfords imminent announcements FINALLY ALLOW affordable new housing to be built ? …

… Why are Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Housing Minister Phil Twyford STILL EFFECTIVELY BANNING the provision of new affordable housing for their fellow New Zealanders ? …

… Watch this shameful and totally unnecessary political failure …

Conditions ‘utterly unsatisfactory’ at Auckland caravan park that booted John Campbell – Twyford … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/conditions-utterly-unsatisfactory-auckland-caravan-park-booted-john-campbell-twyford
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… Housing & Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords important late March speech … but where is the ACTION in this ‘year of delivery’ promised by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
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… Important background information via …
http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
…including … Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market …
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
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June 8, 2019 9:45am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … UNITED STATES …
  
  Jobs Report: U.S. economy adds disappointing 75,000 jobs in May, unemployment rate holds at 3.6% … Yahoo Finance
  
  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-report-bls-may-2019-212001939.html
  
  Job growth slowed more-than-expected in May, while the unemployment rate held at a near 50-year low, according to the Department of Labor’s Friday report.
  
  The U.S. economy added just 75,000 non-farm payrolls in May. This was below expectations for 175,000 non-farm payroll additions, based on Bloomberg-compiled estimates.
  
  The previous two months’ payrolls figures were also downwardly revised. April’s change in non-farm payrolls positions was cut to 224,000 from 263,000, and March’s new figure was brought down to 153,000, from the 189,000 seen previously. Following the revisions, job gains averaged 151,000 per month over the past three months. … view & read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  June 8, 2019 9:51am
  - kevn
    
    Hugh…. We want house stats with hyperlinks.
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:35am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Kevn … The big question is … is Housing Minister Phil Twyford going to deliver in the next week or two … as outlined again recently to The New Zealand Initiative people …
      
      New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
      
      … extract …
      
      … In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:
      
      1. A broken system for financing infrastructure
      
      2. A planning system based on urban containment
      
      3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.
      
      … concluding …
      
      … I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.
      
      These moves are designed to change that. …
      
      … If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.
      
      We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.
      
      That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      June 8, 2019 2:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … UPDATE …
        
        Latest poll … Government punished for failing to deal effectively with cost of living and cost of housing issues …
        
        National back in front while Labour takes a dive in latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton Poll | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-back-in-front-while-labour-takes-dive-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
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        NEW ZEALAND … GOVT BUDGET … Inadvertently highlights ‘flight to affordability’ … to Australia ! …
        
        Face of Budget 2019 has given up on NZ, moved to Australia … N Z Herald / NewstalkZB
        
        https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/the-face-of-todays-budget-has-given-up-on-new-zealand-and-moved-to-australia/
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        Read more … ‘flight to affordability’
        2019 & February Update Sections
        … Performance Urban Planning …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
        
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        June 9, 2019 6:41pm
Maggie Pie

Love Saturday mornings 🙂
We managed a really nice ‘lie-in’ for a change. Before we got out of bed my partner reached over and turned on his Tranny. It was just in time to hear Jack Tame saying:
“The highlight of my week was singing Wibble-Wobble Wibble-Wobble Jelly on a plate, Wibble-Wobble Wibble-Wobble Jelly on a plate”, to his baby nephew.
As my partnwer said: “FFS!! If thats the highlight of his week, who the f~~k would bother watching Q&A anymore?”
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June 8, 2019 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Before we got out of bed my partner reached over and turned on his Tranny.
  
  That is a very ambiguous sentence.
  
  You really need to give us warnings before you detail some of the goings-on in the Maggie-Pie household.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! its just his little radio silly 🙂
    
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    June 8, 2019 11:31am
    - Swifty
      
      What happened after the tranny got turned on?
      
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      June 8, 2019 12:22pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The mind boggles!
        
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        June 8, 2019 3:18pm
      - Alien
        
        Too late. Does bleach clean the mind?
        
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        June 8, 2019 3:19pm
      - John Warren
        
        How do you turn a tranny on?
        
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        June 8, 2019 6:25pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Ahh so That’s what you call it…. We all have our little nick names for things
      
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      June 8, 2019 2:04pm
trout

The resident left wing commentator at the Herald, Simon Wilson, in his piece this week on Tamahere v Goff denigrates populism. Why is it that the liberal elite are so afraid of democracy where the leadership is determined by popular vote (Hilary Clinton’s ‘deplorables’ ); i.e. a mass vote for the most appealing policies? And yes I know Winston is a populist but unlike Trump he does not keep his promises. And yes, Hilary got more votes overall but that does not count in the Federal system
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June 8, 2019 9:56am
- Durden
  
  Aren’t the left/progressives implicitly supporting populism or “leadership determined by popular vote” when they keep arguing that Hilary should be Prez because she got more votes overall than Trump?
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:15am
  - sooty
    
    But it’s a womans turn!
    
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    June 8, 2019 12:39pm
emmess

Everyone get the Dissenter browser so we can comment on every site on the internet

Big Tech blocked the add-on, but it is back with a new browser

https://dissenter.com/download
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June 8, 2019 10:27am
- oob
  
  The add-on still functions, and it’s available at the same link.
  
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  June 8, 2019 2:35pm
Liberty

Still no word. From Pike river.
Is the gravy train still parked at the entrance with it motor running sucking of the state tit or have they walked to the rockfall?
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June 8, 2019 10:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yesterday KiWombat told us that a fleet of cement trucks was heading up to the mine…
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_7_june_2019.html#comment-2504385
  whatever for?
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:31am
  - trout
    
    It was reported that the workers had reached the 170m limit of the drift and were rebuilding a seal.
    
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    June 8, 2019 2:34pm
    - sooty
      
      Why rebuild the seal? I thought they were trotting off down to the rockfall eventually, looking for evidence?
      
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      June 8, 2019 4:01pm
    - Liberty
      
      That can’t be true.
      Dear Leader and Lord Winston promised to go to the mine and that is over 2km.
      Surly our good and great government wouldn’t spend 30plus million
      to go a miserly 170mt just to appease a few.
      They would have to be a right pack of f…wits to do that.
      
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      June 8, 2019 4:05pm
- kevn
  
  @Liberty…. Pike River, the flooded mine. Leaving what behind?
  Apart from the very flash office base in Greymouth.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:34am
  - srylands
    
    In any other country, and I mean developed countries, the mine would be sealed and afforded permanent protection as a grave.
    
    Eventually this sorry episode will come to an end with nothing to show for it. It really is extraordinary.
    
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    June 9, 2019 3:17am
EuropeanCanon

Youtube is deplatforming conservatives under the pretext of hate speech in preparation for 2020 US election.
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June 8, 2019 10:41am
- tf78
  
  I see Al Gore is on the Google Board.
  
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  June 8, 2019 11:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He holds stock options in Google, is also on the Apple Board… sold his TV company to AlJazeera…
    https://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/al-gore/
    
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    June 8, 2019 2:59pm
Happychappy

It looks like its David Parkers turn to make sure Farmers pay for polluted rivers.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/06/david-parker-confirms-tighter-rules-for-farmers-hints-at-water-bottling-levy.html
Then he has also said there will likely be Royalties for water. More taxes and money grabbing from a Government that’s hellset on Penalizing hard working Farmers.
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June 8, 2019 10:50am
- Ian Boag
  
  Wot? Being “hard working” gives you a licence to pollute the rivers and pay nothing for the privilege?
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:04pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Does every Farmer ‘pollute’ the rivers?
    What about towns and cities? Do they?
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:12pm
  - Alien
    
    Yet it is the farmers who have been working hard to clean up the rivers and the towns that have been doing most the polluting
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      True
      
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      June 8, 2019 3:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, the nitrate loading is particularly severe in the rivers downstream from the major cities like Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch.
      
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      June 8, 2019 5:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re so ignorant
        Auckland beaches are often closed from sewage overflow after storms. The Tuki Tuki river suffers from wastewater overflows from the Waipawa and Waipukurau systems as does the Ahuriri Estuary from Napier system.
        And they aren’t the only Cities polluting the water.
        But keep on being an asshole. And telling bad Cancer jokes.
        Just shows what a c**t you are.
        
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        June 8, 2019 7:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well that’s what the Min of Environments’s River Water Quality report shows:
        
        Median nitrate-nitrogen, total nitrogen, and ammoniacal nitrogen concentrations were higher at sites in the urban land-cover class, compared with sites in the pastoral, exotic forest, or native land cover classes from 2009 to 2013.
        
        http://archive.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/environment/environmental-reporting-series/environmental-indicators/Home/Fresh%20water/river-water-quality-nitrogen.aspx
        
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        June 8, 2019 7:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh dear, All_on_Red. You seem in a very bad mood. Is everything all right at home?
        
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        June 8, 2019 7:35pm
      - Doctor Who
        
        Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Must be all the cats and dogs.
        
        Or maybe you could look at the graphs, note “pastoral” land cover.
        
        Big_Red_Knob thinks Auckland’s sewage affects freshwater quality!
        
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        June 8, 2019 8:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Dennis Horne?Dr Who
        
        Why don’t you go and enquire with the Regional Councils who carried out the measurements?
        
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        June 8, 2019 9:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Taranaki has done a great job cleaning up its streams and Rivers…
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/103409014/freshwater-quality-improving-nationwide-report-shows
        
        Regional councils, Cawthron Institute and Min Of Environment say so…
        
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        June 8, 2019 9:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ignorance is strong with this one………
    
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    June 8, 2019 6:14pm
Alien

“New Zealand Rugby (NZR) chairman Brent Impey has revealed the Crusaders will be keeping their name in 2020 after calls to change it in the wake of the Christchurch shootings on March 15.“

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/113333175/christchurch-shootings-crusaders-will-keep-name-in-2020-nz-rugby-chairman-says
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June 8, 2019 11:58am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Excellent news. I wonder if anyone checked if that was OK with the Peoples’ Princess?
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:32pm
  - Alien
    
    She is too busy doing puff pieces to cover the budget screw up and ignoring the d day celebrations
    
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    June 8, 2019 12:37pm
- Jack5
  
  Hooray!
  
  But NZ Rugby chairman Brent Impey is reported as saying a “process” is still in place to determine if the name will be changed long term
  
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  June 8, 2019 12:32pm
- Bill felt
  
  The right choice!
  
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  June 8, 2019 1:19pm
Jack5

Fireworks in Reserve Bank Governor’s row with Australian banks …

Michael Reddell for a second day continues his scrutiny of Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr at Reddell’s blog, Croaking Cassandra.

Reddell roasted Orr yesterday, and today in the Herald, Liam Dann interviews Orr, who reports Orr’s demand could lift interest rates in NZ up to one percentage point.

A taster – a snippet from the Herald interview on the showdown on capital reserves between Orr and the big Australian trading banks that dominate NZ banking:

” The same article in The Australian quotes Westpac chairman Lindsay Maxsted declaring that his shareholders will not “take this on the chin” – that the outcome will be higher interest rates, less lending, or less investment in New Zealand.

“All those things are in play,” Maxsted said. “

Reddell today on the Dann interview:

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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June 8, 2019 12:41pm
Ross12

Why do they say for 2020? Is this to allow some sort of revisit if the “screaming ” gets too loud?
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June 8, 2019 12:54pm
Alien

Trump is actually right, but I think people are misunderstanding what he is saying. The moon is a part of a mars mission. It’s where nasa will get equipment for a Mars mission and gateway is a possible launching platform for the mars mission

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/trump-attacks-nasa-and-claims-the-moon-is-a-part-of-mars/ar-AACynbK?li=BBqdg4K

“Followers of astronomy were in for a surprise on Friday, when Donald Trump announced that the moon is part of Mars.

In a tweet, apparently commenting on his own administration’s space policy, the president said: “For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon – We did that 50 years ago.”

He added: “They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!””
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June 8, 2019 1:14pm
- All_on_Red
  
  It was pretty clumsy wording though.
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Almost as if the president were an inarticulate moron.
    
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    June 8, 2019 4:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Unlike yourself… being an articulate moron.
      
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      June 8, 2019 6:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uhuh
      So how is being an ‘articulate’ a-hole working out for YOU
      mikenmildagain
      Happy World Brain Tumour Day!
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      Oops. Not so good eh.
      
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      June 8, 2019 7:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t have any good jokes about brain tumours?
        
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        June 8, 2019 7:32pm
      - Alien
        
        I had a brain scan this week, waiting for the results, idiots like you should learn to shut the bleep up because you are an offensive moron mikeandwhatever
        
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        June 8, 2019 9:27pm
      - John Warren
        
        I’m very sorry to hear that, Alien. You have my very best wishes. I’ve already said how my first wife died aged 36 from a brain tumour. Our children were 11 and 4. We went through a year of utmost hell before she passed, and at least one afterwards. Mikenmildagain is just an unrepetant, unmitigated cunt (and that’s what he deserves to be called, so I hope the mods don’t redact me). Jokes that upset the PC and the perpetually offended by poking fun at stereotypes are one thing, but jokes about crippling personal tragedies are beyond any sort of pale. Our resident douchebag is too thick and far too self-absorbed to know the difference.
        
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        June 9, 2019 8:28am
  - Alien
    
    Yeah I agree, but it just shows how the left will twist something that they know is right to fit their demented attempt to take him down
    
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    June 8, 2019 8:23pm
- emmess
  
  Is is any wonder people have absolutely no trust in the mainstream media these days?
  That is a deliberate misrepresentation and besides all the plans I have seen to get to Mars require a slingshot around or refueling at the moon due to the low gravity. Shouldn’t the so-called journalists be telling us that?
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:44am
Ross12

Looks like using some strong leverage has worked for President Trump.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/07/u-s-mexico-reach-signed-agreement-to-curb-illegal-migration-details-coming/
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June 8, 2019 1:16pm
- MCos
  
  Looks like some strong leverage has worked, all right
  “In an unusual show of force against their own party’s president, Republican senators had threatened to try and block the tariffs if Mr. Trump moved ahead with them, and had demanded a face-to-face meeting with the president before any action.”
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/politics/trump-tariffs-mexico.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
  
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  June 8, 2019 2:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    That’s not proved. Trump didn’t back down at all.
    I actually agree with those Senators about the tariffs but it’s pretty stupid of them to publically undermine Trumps strategy of force. Especially when the flood of illegals is arguably hurting their own States more than a Tariff would.
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:57pm
    - Ross12
      
      If the stupid Senators did not realise what the President’s tactics were they should go back to negotiating school. Trump never really wanted to put the tariffs on (but he would have if pushed , and probably still will if the Mexicans reneg).
      
      I saw a video the other that mentioned the cost to the USA of illegal people in the country is now US$67k/person/yr. You look at all the homeless on the streets of California, alone, the diseases like typhoid that is being found and then you see the illegals coming through the southern border from Africa, now.( I wonder how they get from Africa to South America let alone who they paid for them to get there.)
      
      Something has to be done to get it under control even though the Democrats and Rino’s do not think there is an issue.
      
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      June 8, 2019 5:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Hillary Clinton is smuggling Africans from Benghazi to Texas, via the Ukraine, Haiti and Nicaragua. The ‘refugees’ are concealed in baskets of deplorables passed through a chain of Comet Pizza parlours.
        The whole operation is paid for by the Clinton Foundation with the laundered funds from the Uranium One deal.
        All easily checked on Wikileaks: ＃butterymales
        
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        June 8, 2019 6:24pm
      - Ross12
        
        Sorry MM I pushed report on your comment in error.
        You appear to think I’m talking BS so just FYI
        
        https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1134582068934008837?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1134582068934008837&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2019%2F06%2Fvery-large-group-of-african-migrants-wade-across-the-rio-grande-into-us-video%2F
        
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        June 9, 2019 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Didn’t take long did it? Mexico realises which side of their bread is buttered. 5% increase every month means 25% in October. Trump wins again
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:37pm
Fletch

Cracks showing in the Mueller report. One of the foreign individuals named by Mueller as somehow conspiring with people in Trump’s orbit turns out to be a valuable informant – probably the most valuable one the FBI had – and Mueller would have known this.

The Hill’s John Solomon has discovered a major misrepresentation in the Mueller Report.

In the opening of the report, the Mueller team ties Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Kilimnik, who worked for Paul Manafort’s lobbying firm, to Russian intelligence. The reality is that Kilimnik was a top informant for the U.S. State Department and other Western intelligence agencies as well.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/447394-key-figure-that-mueller-report-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/06/07/whopper-misrepresentation-discovered-mueller-report/
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June 8, 2019 1:23pm
- virtualmark
  
  That Kilimnik had had some historical connection with the State Department was revealed in Court filings earlier this year. This is not new news.
  
  The key words in The Hill’s report are *as well*. Mueller’s focus was on what Manafort passed to Kilimnik, who in turn was/is a GRU officer. But hey, squirrels!
  
  Note that Kilimnik has been in FSB “custody” in Russia for several months. Sadly I suspect he will leave their custody in a box.
  
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  June 8, 2019 3:16pm
kevn

… and what did JA do on the D Day anniversary? Invited, but no-show for UK remembrance, sent the GG instead.
Attended an NZ RSA remembrance service somewhere?
No, she spoke to a Marlborough girls school about creating a marine reserve down there. Canvassing for some new woke voters I guess.
Very poor form in my view.
I lost two Uncles in WW2. One in Tripoli and the other, a Spitfire pilot downed over Malta. Both cream of the crop young guys who played a part in allowing us to live as we do.
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June 8, 2019 1:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  kevn,at least Canadian PM Justin Trudeau was there which might be some consolation!
  
  The GG is good enough for me to stand in for our PM.
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com/world-leaders-join-queen-elizabeth-for-d-day-75th-anniversary-2019-6?r=AU&IR=T
  
  As if Joe and Jane Public actually cares!
  
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  June 8, 2019 1:59pm
  - kevn
    
    @septic… Wrong. NZer’s care, a lot.
    It is our debt to those who fell.
    What you think is not valid here.
    
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    June 8, 2019 2:35pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Thing is, the GG represents the queen, not the PM.
    
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    June 8, 2019 2:37pm
    - sooty
      
      Thank god!
      
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      June 8, 2019 3:44pm
  - Alien
    
    You should of listen d to talkback Stephanie, the public are disgusted in her not paying her respect on behalf of the country, and no the gg does not represent the Pm or the country.
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:43pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And as the GG represents the Queen, what was the point of her being there when the Queen was also present?
      And interestingly, the GG had to sit on the end of the line because they all knew that she was not the country’s head of Government.
      
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      June 8, 2019 4:24pm
  - herb1
    
    Idiot. The GG is the Queens representative.
    Ardern has disrespected all those who gave their lives and sacrificed their futures , so non entities and wastes of space like her , can act like like spoilt brats.
    She’s a bloody disgrace to New Zealand
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    s if Joe and Jane Public actually cares!
    
    You seemed to care about D-Day a couple of days ago when you thanked David Garrett for his memorial Guest Post.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/guest_post_the_greatest_ever_armada.html#comment-2504082
    
    I realise it’s unfashionable to care about some aspects of our history and some people are jaded by our overseas war history
    https://yournz.org/2019/06/07/d-day-75th-anniversary-jaded-by-war-history/
    (even tho’ they seem to be fascinated by tribal and colonial skirmishes.)
    
    but June 6th 1944 was a significant day for many families.
    
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    June 8, 2019 3:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The 2019 commerative programme was set some time ago. D-Day’s 75th anniversary was never a tier one or tier two event. This year’s major commemorations are the centenerary of Versailles and Tuia 250.
  New Zealand’s major involvement in 1944 was the Italian campaign, the Solomons fighting and the ongoing strategic bombing offensive over Germany.
  
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  June 8, 2019 4:29pm
  - sooty
    
    You are just making excesses, for Labour!
    
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    June 8, 2019 7:01pm
Maggie Pie

A colleague from ‘Windy Wello’ tweets: 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8eLPSFXoAAUE0A?format=jpg&name=small
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June 8, 2019 1:43pm
- Alien
  
  easily fixed, get a few bottles of alcohol
  
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  June 8, 2019 4:11pm
MrTips

So Elton John’s a bit pervy, with an open “marriage” to David Furnish-me and the power to make the media shut up about it.
Coupled with the fact it sounds like his movie Rocket Man is just a tad factually incorrect, one can be forgiven for thinking “brilliant musician, fantastical and creepy bully though”.
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June 8, 2019 4:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Haters gotta hate.
  
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  June 8, 2019 4:30pm
  - MrTips
    
    Well when a gay writer basically calls him a creepy bully and his brother calls him out, then they’d probably have more insight than you Mikey!
    
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    June 8, 2019 4:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh noes, a biopic is factually incorrect.
      So, just like every other biopic, ever.
      Does anyone really care?
      Have you stopped listening to Michael Jackson?
      Snowflakes gotta flake, I guess.
      
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      June 8, 2019 5:15pm
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      (deleted: offensive – Mod)
      
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      June 8, 2019 5:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps you could rephrase that, nasska.
        
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        June 8, 2019 6:02pm
      - Batman
        
        It was a fairly disgusting attempt at a joke, and not funny either.
        
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        June 8, 2019 6:13pm
Odakyu-sen

I miss the onsen…

Complete with snowflakes and nudity…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxr0jIZnrQ
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June 8, 2019 5:30pm
- nasska
  
  The best thing about Japanese porn is that they censor it so you can watch it with the family. 🙂
  
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  June 8, 2019 6:00pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    nasska,
    
    An onsen is not porn.
    
    Mattaku!
    
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    June 8, 2019 6:11pm
Prince

Believe it or not, this was an item on tonight’s Network News.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwi-children-leading-way-ban-single-use-plastic-bags
Have the editors no sense of shame ? No pride in their work ? No sense of professionalism or just being an adult ?
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June 8, 2019 8:31pm
- V
  
  I find The Onion or Beetoota Advocate a more accurate source of information than NZ media.
  I’m sure their headline on this article would be “Kiwi children say they’re leading the way with ban on single-use plastic bags, while hurridly departing carpark in SUV”
  
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